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Long-range air-to-air missile RVV-BD

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In the near future, the arsenals of the Russian air force should be replenished with several guided missiles of new types. Until the end of 2015, Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation plans to start mass production of two new air-to-air missiles RVV-MD and RVV-BD. Thus, over the next few years, partial rearmament will occur, which will increase the combat capabilities of the domestic military aviation. During this rearmament, the new long-range air-to-air missile should become the new RVV-BD product.


The RVV-BD guided missile (“Long-range air-to-air missile”) is designed to arm modern and advanced fighters and interceptors. The objective of this product is to destroy various air targets at any time of the day, in any weather conditions and at any angles. According to the manufacturer, the rocket is capable of detecting targets against the surface and working in conditions of use of electronic warfare by the enemy. It is allowed to use missiles in a multichannel way using the “launched-forgotten” method. The main feature of the new missile is its range: the possibility of hitting targets at a distance of 200 km from the carrier aircraft is announced.

Product RVV-DB developed in the Vympel GosMKB them. I.I. Toropova, part of the KTRV. The same organization was responsible for the creation of two other promising aircraft missiles, which are being relied upon when rearming the Air Force. The RVV-BD missile is a further development of the K-37 family of aviation weapons (P-37), the creation of which was launched in the early eighties. The K-37 was developed as a replacement for the K-33 rocket and for arming MiG-31 interceptors. New modifications of this family are also intended for existing and prospective interceptors.


Mock-up of the RVV-DB rocket in the KTRV exposure at MAKS-2015. Photo by Saidpvo.livejournal.com


It should be noted, under the name RVV-DB in the promotional materials and documentation appear two projects. At the end of the two thousandth, the project with the alternative name K-37M or “Product 610M” was so designated. At the MAKS-2011 aerospace show for the first time, a model of the 620 Product or K-37МE rocket was demonstrated, which was also called RVV-BD. As follows from the available data, the products "610" and "620" differ from each other in some design features.

The RVV-BD missile was developed on the basis of the existing K-37 product, which affected its design. In fact, a new aviation munition is a processing of the basic K-37 using new equipment. At the same time, the main goal of the project was to ensure the highest possible characteristics, as well as the rejection of imported components. The authors of the project managed to successfully solve both problems.

RVV-BD has a cylindrical body of large elongation with a lively radiotransparent head fairing. The total length of the product is 4,06 m, case diameter is 0,38 m. The rocket is built according to the normal aerodynamic scheme with X-shaped wings and rudders. Trapezoidal wings of small elongation span 0,72 m are placed in the middle part of the body, with a noticeable shift to the tail. In the tail section of the hull, all-turning arrow-shaped rudders with a span of 1,02 m are mounted. Because of the need to mount the rocket under the fuselage of the aircraft carrier, the upper pair of rudders has a folding structure. After separation from the aircraft, the rudders open and can perform their functions.

The layout of the missile RVV-BD is typical for weapons of this class. The head part of the body is given under the guidance system, behind it is the fuse and the warhead. The tail section of the hull accommodates a solid fuel engine. The launch weight of the rocket does not exceed 510 kg.


General view of the rocket. Photo Rbase.new-factory.ru


The product is completed with a combined control system, which includes an inertial navigation system and an active radar homing head. On the most part of the flight trajectory, depending on the operating mode of the guidance systems, control is carried out by the inertial system and radio correction. At the end, the active HOS searches for the target and then provides guidance to it.

The RVV-BD rocket is equipped with a GOS of the 9B-1103М-350 type, created by the Scientific-Research Institute of Agat and is another development of the 9B-1103 family. Other products of this family are used on some other domestic missiles, including the medium-range RVV-SD. According to reports, the new modification of the head is optimized for use as part of long-range missile equipment. The 9B-1103М-350 system is distinguished from its predecessors by its higher radiation power and receiver sensitivity. In addition, new software is used.

The main task of the GOS 9B-1103М-350 is to search for a target in the final segment of the flight and further guidance of the rocket. In this case, the missile control systems of the RVV-BD rocket can operate in three main modes. The first one is completely autonomous, corresponding to the concept of “launched-forgotten”. In this case, the rocket with the help of inertial navigation goes to the target area and, having turned on the active radar seeker, it searches for the enemy aircraft with further destruction. The second mode involves the use of radio correction. In this mode, the GOS performs reception and processing of radar signals of the aircraft carrier. A reprogramming mode is also provided.

According to reports, the GSN 9B-1103М-350 is capable of detecting targets in a sector of width 120 °. The detection range depends on the parameters of the target. Thus, an aircraft with an EPR at the level of 5 sq. M can be captured at a distance of at least 40 km.

In the middle part of the body is a high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 60 kg. To undermine the rocket has two fuses. The main one is a fuse with an active radar target sensor. It is used to undermine when approaching the target for a minimum distance. Also provides a backup contact fuse, responsible for the operation of the warhead with a direct hit on the target.


A poster comparing the missiles RVV-BD and P-33. Photo Nevskii-bastion.ru


The tail part of the body is given for the placement of a dual-mode solid-fuel engine. The used powerplant, according to some, allows the rocket to reach speeds of up to 6M. The maximum firing range at launch into the forward hemisphere of the carrier is declared at the level of 200 km. At the same time, however, there is a reason for bolder assessments. Back in 1994, a test launch of the K-37 rocket took place, on the basis of which a new RVV-BD was developed, at a distance of 304 km. Thus, the actual indicators of the range of the new rocket can be much higher than those stated.

The RVV-BD missile is capable of intercepting air targets at altitudes from 15 m to 25 km. The maximum speed of the intercepted target is not reported. Declared the possibility of destruction of the aircraft, maneuvering with overload up to 8 units.

The new guided missile can be used by various aircraft of domestic development, equipped with appropriate aviation ejection installations. For example, during tests of the base K-37, the AKU-31 system was used as part of the MiG-610 weapon system. For use with the RVV-BD missile, AKU-620 and AKU-410-1 ejection devices are proposed. Old installations made it possible to transport such missiles only in a semi-submerged position under the fuselage of MiG-31 aircraft. Ejection installations of new models allow the use of RVV-BD aircraft of other types.

Exact information about the potential carriers of the new rocket is not yet available. There is reason to believe that RVV-BD will replenish the range of armaments of MiG-31BM interceptors and replace the aging K-33 missiles. In addition, the use of new missiles by other fighters is possible, but such prospects have so far been confirmed only by the manufacturer’s advertising materials. The use of missiles RVV-BD promising fighter of the fifth generation T-50 (PAK FA) is still the subject of controversy. Due to its large size, this product does not fit in the internal cargo compartments of the T-50 aircraft. However, transportation of missiles on an external sling is not excluded.


The tail of the rocket, good visible engine nozzle and rudders. Photo Nevskii-bastion.ru


There are some data on the resource and other performance qualities of the future. weapons. The designated service life of missiles RVV-BD is 8 years. When suspended to an aircraft carrier, the rocket apparatus can operate continuously for 2,5-3 hours, after which it needs to be disabled. The assigned flight life of the product is 50 hours. At the same time there are no restrictions on the number of take-offs and landings on concrete airfields. In the case of metal-coated pads or stripes, only 20 takeoff-landing cycles are allowed.

It is known that together with the RVV-BD combat missile several similar training and training items were developed. For the preparation of the flight and technical personnel, a split layout of the RVV-BD-UR and a training operating ground-launched missile RVV-MD-UD are offered. Evaluation of the characteristics of the aircraft carrier should be performed using a mass-dimensional layout RVV-MD-GM. Finally, the RVV-MD-UL flight-learning missile is designed to train pilots without actual launches.

Over the past few years, KTRV and Vympel GosMKB have completed design work on a new project and conducted a full cycle of tests of the new rocket. To date, the long-range air-to-air missile RVV-BD has been tested and is ready for the start of mass production. During the recent MAKS-2015 showroom, Boris Obnosov, Director General of Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation, spoke about the current status of several new projects. To date, the mass production of medium-range missiles RVV-SD has been launched, and by the end of the year it is planned to put in a series of short-range and long-range missiles RVV-MD and RVV-BD. The first serial missiles of new types should be off the assembly line by early next year.

Thus, by the end of 2015, mass production of three promising air-to-air missiles with various parameters will be launched. The arsenals of the Russian Air Force will be replenished with RVV-MD, RVV-SD and RVV-BD products, which will make it possible to seriously update the range of available aviation weapons and thereby increase the overall combat effectiveness of tactical aviation. Any information about the further development of domestic long-range missiles is not yet available. Probably, new projects of such weapons are still at the earliest stages, because of which information about them is not subject to disclosure.


On the materials of the sites:
http://ktrv.ru/
http://vympelmkb.com/
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/
http://nevskii-bastion.ru/
http://missiles.ru/
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-106.html
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 23 September 2015 07: 59 New
    +3
    Apparently a good rocket, since they will put on new generation aircraft. As I understand it, it will also be part of the PAK FA arsenal. But how good are they in comparison with their Western counterparts?
    1. Forest
      Forest 23 September 2015 14: 09 New
      +1
      In the USA, the most long-range one is AIM-120D with a range of about 180 km. But this rocket has a very high accuracy.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 23 September 2015 23: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Forest
        In the United States, the most long-range is AIM-120D with a range of about 180 km.


        True, so far it has not been adopted. At the moment, the troops operate AIM-120C-7 with a range of 120 km.
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  2. Wiruz
    Wiruz 23 September 2015 08: 29 New
    +8
    Somewhere there was information supposedly RVV-MD / SD / DB missiles, with ranges of 40/110/200 km, respectively, these were exclusively export missiles. And the options "for your loved ones" have almost 1,5-2 times greater flight range.

    By the way, this is indirectly confirmed by the fact that one of the leaders of KTRV in one of his interviews said, saying "all over the world, B-B missiles with a range of 100 km and over are considered long-range missiles, for us today the average range is almost 200 km".

    hi
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 23 September 2015 09: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Wiruz
      "all over the world, B-B missiles with a range of 100 km and over are considered long-range missiles, for us today the average range is almost 200 km."

      Not only the range is important, but also the accuracy and the inability to get away from it or deceive it. I hope everything with these qualities in our missiles is wonderful.
    2. Zigmars
      Zigmars 23 September 2015 09: 33 New
      +7
      I also think that the range of the promising RVV-BD missile in the version in which it is designed for the domestic air force is at least 350 km, or even 400-450. In the 1994 tests, the "old woman" R-37 successfully hit the target at a distance of 300 km - thus, this stage has already been completed a long time ago. By the way, the most long-range missiles of the Americans (the old Phoenix and the relatively new AIM-120D) are capable of hitting targets only at a distance of about 180 km.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 September 2015 09: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Zigmars
        I also think that the range of the promising RVV-BD missile in the version in which it is designed for the domestic air force is at least 350 km, or even 400-450.

        Quote: Zigmars
        By the way, the most long-range missiles of the Americans (the old Phoenix and the relatively new AIM-120D) are capable of hitting targets only at a distance of about 180 km.

        The effectiveness of a fighter depends directly on its arsenal ... this is due to the fact that recently the VO has gone into fashion to compare the F-35/22 with the PAK FA, SU-30/35.
        And it pleases that our "far arm" is much longer than that of the adversary. hi
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 23 September 2015 22: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          The effectiveness of a fighter depends directly on its arsenal ... this is to the fact that recently the VO has gone into fashion to compare the F-35/22 with the PAK FA, SU-30/35. And it pleases that our "far arm" is much longer than that of the adversary.


          You know NEXUS, as it is not quite correct to compare our DR missiles with their CP missiles. If we compare, then we give our medium-range missiles. Our most modern CP missile is the R-77, and as far as I know, its radius is 100-110 km. The US-armed missile CP AIM-120C-7 has a radius of 120 km. And the range of the promising AIM-120D is up to 180 km, which is still a record for medium-range missiles.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 23 September 2015 23: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: supertiger21
            If we compare, then we give our medium-range missiles.

            You see what the problem is, that they position themselves as a “far arm” missile, we fall into the “middle arm” category. And since they have the most long-range CP AIM-120C-7 or AIM-120D missile, then it’s necessary WHILE to compare with our most long-range missile. And no one is to blame for the fact that what they consider to be long-range missiles, we reach in terms of parameters only to medium-range missiles. hi
            1. supertiger21
              supertiger21 23 September 2015 23: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              You see what the problem is, that they position themselves as a "far arm" missile, we fall into the category of "middle arm".

              Quote: NEXUS
              And no one is to blame for the fact that what they consider to be long-range missiles in our country falls short in terms of parameters only to medium-range missiles.


              Sogalsen! Due to differences in terminology, it is a little difficult for us and them to figure out what to compare with.

              Quote: NEXUS
              And since they have the most long-range CP AIM-120C-7 or AIM-120D missile, then it needs to be compared with our most long-range missile.


              It's just that the AIM-120 is a fairly compact missile (like the R-77) that fits in the internal compartments of 5th generation fighters. KS-172, in turn, is quite dimensional and is unlikely to be used in the same way, so it will have to be put on an external sling, which is not very acceptable for the 5th generation.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 23 September 2015 23: 35 New
                +2
                Quote: supertiger21
                therefore, it will have to be put on an external sling, which is not very acceptable to the 5th generation.

                The fighters of the 5th generation, that ours, the Chinese, the Americans HAVE external suspension pylons. So why don’t they hook missiles if they don’t fit into the body of the fighter? So far, you can hang on the external suspension, and IF they do the same , only more compact, it will be possible to think about the internal placement of such missiles. hi
                1. supertiger21
                  supertiger21 23 September 2015 23: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  The fighters of the 5th generation, ours, Chinese, American, US have external pylons. So why don’t they catch missiles if they don’t fit into the fighter’s body?


                  Because at the same time, the EPR can increase, once again giving the risk to the fighter to light up on enemy radars.

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  While you can hang on the external suspension, and IF they do the same, only more compact, you can think about the internal placement of such missiles.


                  In principle, if you hang weapons on the 5th generation fighter in the external compartments, there are no big dangers if there is bombing work on some Papuans. But if the enemy has powerful ground-based air defense and fighter groups with the support of AWACS aircraft, then this is a very big risk of being detected and shot down.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 23 September 2015 23: 57 New
                    +2
                    Quote: supertiger21
                    Because at the same time, the EPR can increase, once again giving the risk to the fighter to light up on enemy radars.

                    So did you install external pylons for hanging pendants for beauty? If there is where to hang, why not?
                    It is clear that they are equipped with weapons according to the tasks in a specific situation, but since there is such a missile, it was created for something. hi
                    1. supertiger21
                      supertiger21 24 September 2015 00: 32 New
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      So did you install external pylons for hanging pendants for beauty? If there is where to hang, why not?


                      Well, I wrote about this above! wink

                      Quote: NEXUS
                      It is clear that they are equipped with weapons according to the tasks in a specific situation, but since there is such a missile, it was created for something.


                      In general, I agree with you, I think that we have reached a consensus and it is not worth further to continue the argument! hi
      2. Falcon
        Falcon 23 September 2015 11: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Zigmars
        not less than 350 km, or even all 400-450.


        But just what radar to direct it at such distances?

        Quote: Zigmars
        By the way, the most long-range missiles of the Americans (the old Phoenix and the relatively new AIM-120D) are capable of hitting targets only at a distance of about 180 km.

        AIM-120D missile of another class. It weighs about 200 kg, more than twice as light as RVV-DB.

        The question is not in the range of the missiles, but in what radars to induce them, and in the characteristics of solid fuels.
        1. Zigmars
          Zigmars 23 September 2015 17: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Falcon
          But just what radar to direct it at such distances?


          Until a certain section of the rocket is conducted by an aircraft radar, after which, at the stage of approaching the target, guidance begins to provide a radar inside the rocket. Over the past decades, microelectronics has stepped far forward - the same radars are becoming more powerful and at the same time more compact. Due to this, the useful volume is partly increased (which can be used in different ways) and, as a result, the range of missiles. The same applies to aircraft radars: the use of an active phased array instead of a passive one, an increase in the number of transistors with a decrease in the total volume occupied by one transistor leads to an increase in the range of the entire system over time by an order of magnitude.
          1. Falcon
            Falcon 23 September 2015 22: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: Zigmars
            Until a certain section of the rocket is conducted by an aircraft radar, after which, at the stage of approaching the target, guidance begins to provide a radar inside the rocket. Over the past decades, microelectronics has stepped far forward - the same radars are becoming more powerful and at the same time more compact. Due to this, the useful volume is partly increased (which can be used in different ways) and, as a result, the range of missiles. The same applies to aircraft radars: the use of an active phased array instead of a passive one, an increase in the number of transistors with a decrease in the total volume occupied by one transistor leads to an increase in the range of the entire system over time by an order of magnitude.


            No need to pour water. Specifically - by what? Sincerely.

            Quote: CERHJ
            We essentially did not understand the question. You are asked what kind of radar will you use for stealth with an EPR = 0,01-0.0001 m2 to aim a target at 200 km? What brand and characteristics. Just do not immediately carry nonsense about the MiG-31. Look at your leisure for the characteristics of radars such as Barrier, Bars, Irbis.

            drinks
          2. opus
            opus 23 September 2015 23: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: Zigmars
            Over the past decades, microelectronics has stepped far forward - the same radars are becoming more powerful and at the same time more compact.

            Range radar with a passive response

            P_t - transmitter power;
            G_t is the directional coefficient of the antenna;
            A_r - effective antenna area (receiver)
            sigma - effective scattering area of ​​the target
            P_ {r.min} - minimum receiver sensitivity.

            Ar (EPA) has not been canceled by anyone and the turd (RL GSN) on RVV of diameters 178 cm sees .... sees only on 10-17km and only a target with equivalent EPR 5-7 m ^ 2.

            No matter how far I took a step
            Quote: Zigmars
            Microelectronics forward


            Or do you hope that a radar transponder (repeater) will be installed on the target?

            fool

            Frets, then like this:

            (but with a synchronized response channel)
        2. avdkrd
          avdkrd 23 September 2015 21: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Falcon
          The question is not in the range of the missiles, but in what radars to induce them, and in the characteristics of solid fuels.

          So it is written - "According to the manufacturer, the missile is capable of detecting targets against the surface and working in conditions of the enemy using electronic warfare. It is allowed to use missiles in a multi-channel manner according to the technique"started-forgot»The product is equipped with a combined control system, which includes an inertial navigation system and active radar homing headI am. On most of the flight path, depending on the mode of operation of the guidance systems, control is carried out due to an inertial system and radio correction. In the final section, the active GOS searches for the target and then provides guidance on it. "
          1. Falcon
            Falcon 23 September 2015 22: 27 New
            0
            Quote: avdkrd
            navigation system and active homing radar.


            There are given the characteristics of the head. With an EPR of 0,1 at the raptor, she will see him at 14 km, and then if the angle is successful.

            Quote: avdkrd
            On most of the flight path, depending on the mode of operation of the guidance systems, control is carried out due to an inertial system and radio correction.


            Well, if you shoot down an AWAC which was just 200 km away from us, then yes. And if, as a respected writes:
            Quote: Zigmars
            not less than 350 km, or even all 400-450.


            It’s even difficult to bring it to AWACS. What radar? and about raptor you can be silent
          2. opus
            opus 23 September 2015 23: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: avdkrd
            On most of the flight path, depending on the mode of operation of the guidance systems, control is carried out due to an inertial system and radio correction.

            Yes, that's right, right.
            just to launch it on the ANN, it is NECESSARY TO ATTEND the radar of the carrier, determine its coordinates and velocity vector, enter the data in the ANN RVV.
            Well, then everything is simple.
            It’s not easy to detect a target with low EPR with the help of a radar carrier at such a distance
            so
            Quote: Falcon
            and in what radars to induce them,
            correctly.
            TSU or induce almost similar in the everyday sense is clear
            Especially considering
            Quote: avdkrd
            radio corrections.

            which implies that the radar of the carrier at the same distance fixes that the target maneuvers and evades (leaves the zone of probabilistic meeting with the PBM) and the correction data are transmitted to the PBM
            but again It’s not easy to detect a target with low EPR with the help of a radar carrier at such a distance, and even running
      3. Dimka off
        Dimka off 23 September 2015 11: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Zigmars
        Air Force - at least 350 km, or even all 400-450.

        Definitely. After all, there is a KS-172 missile with a range of 400 km. And here it should be the same or even higher.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 September 2015 18: 57 New
          +1
          With the guidance system, COP 172 had problems, so they slowed down with it.
      4. opus
        opus 23 September 2015 22: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Zigmars
        - at least 350 km, or even all 400-450

        maybe immediately xnumx?

        Quote: Zigmars
        In the 1994 tests, the "old woman" P-37 successfully hit the target at a distance of 300 km -

        In April 1994, aerial target was successfully hit at a record distance of 304 km.
        1. Starting height?
        2 Target Speed?
        3.Exceed media over target?
        4. EPR goals?
        5. Azimuth of purpose?
        6. Aim maneuvering Ali not?
        7.Meeting?
        On 99,995 I guarantee it was like this:
        1.20000м
        2.600-700km / h
        3. from 10000 to 12000
        4.15 reduced sq.m, type simulator IL-28 with corner reflectors
        5.0
        6.net
        7. Yes. + Most likely with a radio responder.
        Start-up conditions: ideal weather
        carrier, if not mistaken MiG-31М ("product 05"), with the most powerful radar "Barrier-M"


        of which TOTAL was built 6 Experienced airplanes. B / N 053, 054, 055, 056 and 057 (052 lost during LCI)

        I DO NOT GO TO THE SERIES
      5. opus
        opus 23 September 2015 23: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Zigmars
        old Phoenix and relatively new AIM-120D

        There are no phoenixes, there are no phoenix carriers either (only F-14 could carry this carcass)
        AIM-120D - but no, it's a project. Date of adoption adopted on 2022
        Raytheon announced one successful interception of August 5, 2008 AIM-120D and the f / A-18F Super Hornet launched on the QF-4 target somewhere over the White Sands Missile Range ....
        but modestly kept silent about the launch distance.
        And?
        and immediately asked for money to develop FMRAAM with a new ramjet
    3. DarkMatter
      DarkMatter 23 September 2015 15: 02 New
      +4
      Yes, the names of export rockets. However, I do not think that there will be any increase in a small rocket, most likely in the other two.
      In general, here is such information, if you made a mistake somewhere, correct:
      Short range
      R-74 rocket (item 740) was in the 90s with a Ukrainian head;
      import version of RVV-MD;
      R-74M (product 750) - which is discussed in the article about MD;
      RVV-MD - the import name has been changed to it now as I understand it;

      R-74M2 (product 760) - missile for PAK FA;

      there was also information about a completely different development - K-MD (product 300), sort of like a "short-range missile, close maneuverable air combat and missile defense"

      Medium range
      R-77 (product 170) - the old model;
      R-77-1 (product 171) - an option that is discussed in the article about diabetes;
      RVV-SD - export option;

      K-77M (Product 180) - an improved version, adapted for PAK FA;
      K-77ME (Product 180-BD) is a high-range missile for PAK FA, apparently a direct-flow jet engine.

      Long range
      R-37 (product 610) - by the beginning of the 90s, several test launches were carried out, which were then continued in Russia (in 1994, the range was 304 km), then development was stopped, in the 2000s they resumed again to equip the MIG-31BM . Apparently this is the R-37M rocket (610m product), after which it began to be improved (as in the case of the R-73, R-74, R-74M) and the end result was in the form of the 620 product and its export version RVV-DB.
      For PAK FA, as in the cases with MD and SD, a separate version is also being developed - product 810.

      It turns out that for ordinary planes there are their own missiles, for PAK FA their own, and of all types, 2 pieces are obtained, I do not know how justified it is. Perhaps PAK FA missiles will have worse characteristics, if not, why not supply the same missiles to all planes. Or, as an option, that the missiles will be newer (filling) and their adaptation to old models is problematic. what
      In any case, I would like to see new missiles on our aircraft instead of the old ones and thanks for the series of articles wink
    4. opus
      opus 23 September 2015 22: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Wiruz
      "worldwide VB missiles with a range of 100 km are considered missiles long range"for us today the average range is almost 200 km."



      In accordance with in NATO bloc countries air-to-air missiles are divided into missiles
      -large (more than 100 km)
      -red (up to 75 km)
      and short (up to 20 km) range.
      The same is with us
      Quote: Wiruz
      for us today average range is almost 200 km. "

      what nonsense. we do not have such missiles
      VV, meaning.
      there are models, no rockets.
      Radar same
  3. 31rus
    31rus 23 September 2015 09: 19 New
    +1
    It’s clearly written that the new missile doesn’t fit in the T-50, and all the “if” and “possible” do not guarantee
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 23 September 2015 09: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: 31rus
      It’s clearly written that the new missile doesn’t fit in the T-50, and all the “if” and “possible” do not guarantee

      And is it not fate to put them on the external suspension?
      1. Falcon
        Falcon 23 September 2015 13: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: 31rus
        It’s clearly written that the new missile doesn’t fit in the T-50, and all the “if” and “possible” do not guarantee


        If you make the wings folding, then there will be no problems
  4. Limon1972
    Limon1972 23 September 2015 09: 50 New
    +2
    The inscription "Protect from shock" on the rocket pleases wink Probably brought to the exhibition without charge.
  5. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 23 September 2015 10: 30 New
    +1
    Something not enough indicated range. If my memory serves me right, on tests a few years ago the MiG-31BM with the desired target product fell at a range of 260-280 km.
  6. Tanker55
    Tanker55 23 September 2015 10: 45 New
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    I will write only one thing: it’s already good. When we put it into production and hang it like Christmas tree decorations on airplanes, then it will be great (fear us enemies).
  7. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 23 September 2015 10: 47 New
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    I do not know how missiles with a range of 400 kilometers are justified in the fight against fighters and generally 5th generation aircraft. In the best case, they can be detected from a distance of a maximum of 100 kilometers, at such a distance a long-range missile is not needed, and medium-range missiles are enough. Such missiles can destroy large targets like B-52, B1B, AWACS. MiG-31s ​​were also designed to intercept cruise missiles, but I can’t imagine how a missile flying along a low-altitude trajectory with an envelope of the terrain can be detected over 400 kilometers and attacked.
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 23 September 2015 12: 17 New
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      .... I can’t imagine how a rocket flying along a low-altitude trajectory with an envelope of the terrain can be detected over 400 kilometers and attack it ....


      .... And why then the A-50 ???? ....
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 23 September 2015 12: 34 New
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        Quote: aleks 62 next
        .... I can’t imagine how a rocket flying along a low-altitude trajectory with an envelope of the terrain can be detected over 400 kilometers and attack it ....


        .... And why then the A-50 ???? ....

        For 50 kilometers, the A-400 will not detect a missile with an EPR of 0,01 square meters flying at an altitude of 20-30 meters above the ground in the mode of enveloping the terrain.
    2. patsantre
      patsantre 23 September 2015 16: 36 New
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      In fact, modern fighter radars make it possible to detect enemy fighters from distances of 200-400 km. But the rocket range figures can be safely divided by 2, because the maximum range for a non-maneuvering direct-flying target is indicated.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 23 September 2015 23: 15 New
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        Quote: patsantre
        In fact, modern fighter radars make it possible to detect enemy fighters from distances of 200-400 km.


        About the "200" I agree, about the "400" no! On "modern fighters" there are no radars with such a range yet. Of course, there is a Su-35 Irbis with such a range, but from a distance of 400 km a radar with a passive headlamp is unlikely to be able to detect a fighter of not even the 5th generation, i.e. with a sufficiently large EPR. A radar with an active headlamp is seen more clearly, but unlike a VLAD it has a very short range, the same AN ​​/ APG-77 has a radius of no more than 230 km.
    3. Philip Staros
      Philip Staros 24 February 2018 13: 54 New
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      The main task of the exterminator is to bring down just “big cows” such as AWACs, bombers and, possibly, transporters. Because it is precisely the bombers that kill a lot of people on earth, in transporters - hundreds of other soldiers, and AWACs prevents our aircraft from having fun. Killing exterminators is a necessary measure -
      to protect their "cows". And then just “beauty” - launched a rocket in the region of some sort of enemy air base ... And do not care - you see or not .. It will fly and "cling" to someone who is not lucky to be in the air ... However, new long-range missiles are already they hunt for targets in 8 F and even, for the two-stage K-172, we are talking about the 12 F maneuver of the target - i.e. in the first case, it’s “loaded Fk”, and in the second - ANY aircraft already, if only to be captured.
      It is also good to soak in the wake of the departing opponents and the side of the group target found by ground large radars on the principle of "who did not hide - I am not to blame."
  8. serverny
    serverny 23 September 2015 15: 46 New
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    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    it will not detect a missile with an EPR of 0,01 square meters flying at an altitude of 20-30 meters above the ground in the mode of enveloping the terrain.

    Less cite the brochures of cruise missile manufacturers. Such a flight profile sounds realistic in the case of attacks on objects in the desert because "the Tomahawk rocket flies in the mode of enveloping the terrain above the earth's surface at an altitude of 30-60 m (if the terrain is relatively flat) or 150 m (hilly).".
    That is, you pretty easily improved the characteristics of the tomahawks by 50% relative to ideal conditions unrealistic for the relief of the Russian Federation.
    Do you also take the EPR from the ceiling, measured next to the "spherical horse in vacuum"?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 23 September 2015 16: 02 New
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      Quote: serverny
      EPR also take from the ceiling, measured next to the "spherical horse in a vacuum"

      You are arguing with a brow who:

      - has the qualification of "military financier" after the military department
      - did not serve a day in the army
      - rank (... Air force) has arrogated to himself. It refers to the Air Force as roughly as I do to ballet laughing

      It’s a pity, but we can’t communicate directly with him, I’m on a campaign in his emergency.

      Stock financier with a big aplomb - you are fiery wassat
  9. Student
    Student 23 September 2015 20: 54 New
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    Oh, they wrote about the bucket separately)))
  10. Olezhek
    Olezhek 25 September 2015 11: 10 New
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    I will not argue - throw off a link on the topic:
    US will receive unfinished F-35

    “By the way, not only the United States and Great Britain have invested in the JSF project, but also South Korea, Australia, Japan and a dozen other countries that want to get super modern fighters. However, now they are offered to wait for the participants of this“ crowd funding ”.


    http://rg.ru/2015/09/16/f35-site.html
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 September 2015 07: 46 New
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    In theory, they took a rocket from the C-300 and hung it on the MiG 31?
    1. Falcon
      Falcon 28 September 2015 11: 50 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      In theory, they took a rocket from the C-300 and hung it on the MiG 31?

      What are you. Of course not!!!

      Completely different things !!!
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 29 September 2015 19: 00 New
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        and what is the difference? Starting engine is not needed.
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 30 September 2015 20: 47 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          and what is the difference? Starting engine is not needed.


          For starters, C-300 is a series of systems using different missiles.
          The range of missiles is a dozen 2 of different masses and sizes.
          There are 1,8 tons weighing 7 meters long, there are 5 tons 9 meters long.
          How can it be suspended?

          Starting engines are not there. Single-stage anti-aircraft missiles. The question is to overcome the force of gravity of the earth and range.