American general: "I sleep and see" the resumption of serial production of the F-22

General of the American Air Force Herbert Carlisle admitted that against the background of the increasing power of the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China he is dreaming of restarting the mass production of the X-NUMX F-generation F-5 fighters. However, his dreams are unlikely to come true, writes the publication Fightglobal.

The general said that he "sleeps and sees" the resumption of production of the F-22, and he does not undertake to say "how much it will cost and whether Congress and the Pentagon will agree to such a move."

The publication notes that “the number of purchased F-22 was repeatedly reduced - first from 750 to 339, then to 195 aircraft.” According to Carlisle, "this is the biggest mistake ever made."

“Thoughts about the resumption of production of F-22, most likely, will remain a dream, because the US government in the coming years is aimed primarily at solving three other tasks in this area - the production of the F-35 fighter-bomber, KC-46 transporter and long-range bomber ", - quotes the newspaper edition Look.

As a temporary measure (instead of resuming production of the F-22) until the creation of the 6 fighter generation (promised by 2020), the United States Air Force proposes to upgrade the F-15C and talk about "closer cooperation of the F-35 and F-22".

“F-35 is not intended to provide superiority in the air; it was designed to work primarily on ground targets while the F-22 is doing work in the air-to-air area. The purchase of the F-22 has been curtailed, and now there are not enough aircraft available to ensure air superiority. ”- Fightglobal leads the words of the Chief of Staff of the Air Force Mark Welch.

In his opinion, the Pentagon "should complement the F-22 in the short term," and this can be done "by upgrading the previous-generation fighter F-15C, which, in particular, can be equipped with the latest radars, which will allow fighter competitive in its field for the next 10 years. "

The general believes that "this is the only way to maintain air superiority if the production of the F-22 is not restored."

Comments

[tomket]

You can also put the latest radars on Mustangs ...

[insafufa]

Quote: tomket

You can also put the latest radars on Mustangs ...

You can’t put it on a mustang on Seybor

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: insafufa

You can’t put it on a mustang on Seybor

All that remains is to unearth a couple of hundred Sabers somewhere.

[Now we are free]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

All that remains is to unearth a couple of hundred Sabers somewhere.

Guten Tag Denis
Sabers are Sabers, but the F-15C is a very good plane, although it is strange that the United States is not going to modernize and extend the service life of a more successful and more functional version of the "Eagle" of the F-15E Strike Eagle fighter / bomber of the 4 ++ generation, a number of conflicts. In this case, huge funds are saved (the cost of one F-22 is equivalent to the amount if it were made of gold) + the F-15 machine itself and its modifications have been known for a long time by the US Air Force pilots and they do not need to retrain on the "Glass" F-22s (and this also huge cost savings).
But the USA, as practice shows, does not save money on walking, so walking! The machine will print green papers ...
In general, when it comes to the resumption of the release of Raptors, you need to look who raises this issue, unambiguously Lockheed / Boeing promised this person / group of lobbyists a considerable share of the contract for the supply of Golden fighters to the army, which is still unknown how they will show themselves during real DB ...


P.S. The American army as a mirror of the entire country of the United States resembles a drug addict who needs a dose (funding) every time and each time the dose should be a little, but more than the previous one. I recalled the joke on the topic of Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson if you imagine the United States Army and the US concerns working on expensive military contracts at Watson's place:

Dr. Watson decided to somehow wean Sherlock Holmes from smoking a pipe.
I went and consulted a professor.
Professor says:
- You put yourself in the ass for a while ...
Watson did so.
Holmes came, lit a pipe and did not blink an eye.
The next time, Watson put the phone deeper and for a longer time.
Holmes again calmly smoked.
Another month passed.
Holmes did not quit smoking, but Watson could not without a pipe.

[Haettenschweiler]

Guten Tag, Iskander!

It seems to me that the F-15 will be a real "workhorse" of the USAAF for a long time, but projects like the F-22, F-35 are designed, first of all, to fulfill two goals: 1. Weapons developers, receiving huge sums, can afford to develop and introduce new systems, try new layouts of machines designed to both increase survivability and reduce their visibility on radars (the notorious "Stealth", which is currently ineffective), and it does not matter what the final price or quality of products will be - all this " transitional options ", and they will be sold to those countries that, as in the case of Israel, cannot refuse. 2. The American military machine must continue to convince the entire interested world that their research is the most advanced, and the weapons, of course, the most high-tech (this, in turn, two other reasons - "God's chosen nation" (purely American complex ) and the fact that the Russians, starting work on the T-50 and T-14, planted a hefty pig on the USA, because even the T-90 "Vladimir" against the background of the morally and technologically outdated "Abrams" (with an automatic loader in the form of a muscular Negro, above than they never tire of laughing even in the West) looks very advantageous.In addition, today the T-90 is not what it was when its production began, because the electronics and protection systems were improved later).
Well, you are absolutely right when you talk about the printing press. FRS is ready at any moment to give the economy as many dollars as it needs. And even if the general course "sags" again, this can be corrected with the help of another "small victorious war." At least, it seems to me that this is what they think, forgetting that the era of "small victorious wars" is gone forever - ISIS, Ukraine, Syria ... everywhere the US Army is suffering painful and humiliating defeats. The Arabs have learned to deftly scatter from attack aircraft, so much so that air strikes do not bring any practical benefit at all, the Ukrainians, despite the belligerent rhetoric, as it turned out, are fighting worse than the Papuans with spears, and the LPR, DPR are definitely too tough for them, Syria, having survived the most for difficult and terrible times will not fall apart, and Assad will not go anywhere, on the contrary, a Russia-Iran-Syria alliance is gradually being formed, which may well set its own harsh rules of the game in the East, and then the US Army will have to return home altogether, because they will do there there will be absolutely nothing.

[Stalker.1977]

But this one? it’s also not a bad idea ...

[Reserve officer]

For the sake of interest, I typed on the Internet: a dream book - a fighter is dreaming. The answer is if you dreamed of a fighter, then soon you will experience a very unpleasant moment in your destiny. So, Mr. General, expect change.

[tomket]

Quote: insafufa

You can’t put it on a mustang on Seybor

There are more flying Mustangs than Sabers, so Mustangs are more promising. Something to fix a plate there)))

[Tanais]

Quote: tomket

There are more flying Mustangs than Sabers, so Mustangs are more promising. Something to fix a plate there)))

This is necessary!

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

That looks better in my opinion!

[Tanais]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

That looks better in my opinion!

No, I don’t argue ... It's just that "Twin Mustang" already has a "blyamba" for the locator ...

[Kostyar]

American general: "I sleep and see" the resumption of serial production of the F-22

Bayu-bayushki-bayu, good night general ......., superiority has sunk into oblivion !!!
You better not wake up !!!

[marlin1203]

Yes, he "Ford Mustang" means!

[fox21h]

It will just be a budget cut
All electronics is no longer produced, which is now on f22, so that it could be launched on a new one, a huge infusion of cash and not only resources is needed.
And if there will be a replacement, with a new one, then again this is also adding software adaptation.

[Vend]

Quote: tomket

You can also put the latest radars on Mustangs ...

But first place in the ranking of world armies

[marlin1203]

"I sleep and see" seems to be becoming a common state of American generals

[Corsair0304]

Well then! It turns out that among the American military there are stupid people, and besides, they are desperate in some way, since they flooded against the jet. Grasping in the lobby in Congress and Lockheed Martin at the same time - you need to have either a hole in your head or steel eggs.

[Sivan]

Incidentally, he did not say anything against the production of the F-35. He only talked about the need to use both F-22 and F-35.

[VP]

Well, no, she’s dead, then she’s dead, fly on F-35

[Baikonur]

... the doctor said: "to the morgue!", which means - to the morgue!

[sir.jonn]

Quote: VP

Well, no, she’s dead, then she’s dead, fly on F-35

Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! Fly on irons, not just steam others.

[Decathlon]

"... this is the biggest mistake ever made ..."
The biggest mistake was the Mayflower's trouble-free sailing in 1620 ...

[little girl15]

That's the trouble with the Yankus, Russia is going to produce T-50 and Tu-160 And they have to upgrade the F-15C. However, the regress ...

[supertiger21]

Quote: Vovochka15

That's the trouble with the Yankus, Russia is going to produce T-50 and Tu-160 And they have to upgrade the F-15C. However, the regress ...

Your comment is written in some sort of "patriotic" manner. Let's start with the fact that we are only GOING to release them for now, I'm not talking about supplies to the troops and full combat readiness. And they have the F-22 in service for a long time and the F-35, although not yet adopted, is also in the amount of up to 150 units. I do not mean that one should not be patriotic, it is just that the enemy should not be underestimated. I remembered an anecdote about the Soviet press (in my own words): "Today our secretary general and the American president were running to the race. The American leader reached the finish line only penultimate, while Brezhnev took the honorable second place"))

[Dima Čalevo]

Yes, to resume production, it is necessary to create a modernization program, a lot of what it costs is no longer produced for years, and more than 15 years have passed, avionics is becoming obsolete.
And with the love of corporations for the constant increase in estimates, it will cost just astronomical money.

[Magic archer]

I remember how the F-22 hearing was held in the congress. Initially, the conversation was that besides the Americans, there are no 5 generation aircraft, so it makes no sense to release them in large numbers. And when they found out about its price, the question was answered by itself.

[shelva]

It is time for the Americans to say goodbye to thoughts of superiority - in the air, on land or at sea - anyway.

[Dyatko Nebatko]

"And I always wake up in the most interesting place ...."

[aslanxnumx]

Well, air supremacy is a relative thing, in some sort of Somalia they are the kings of heaven, let them try to run into a more or less equal country!

[loaln]

In vain people think that Americans say something sincerely.
Once, the dances around F-22 began, so look for where our pierced and are now sitting in thought. And such stuffing should form an opinion to go along the path necessary for the Americans.
So, it’s not so simple, and not simpletons and suckers are sitting there. Suckers are those who rejoice at the sloppiness appearing suddenly judgments.
See the root? Although ..., he still needs to be found and seen.

[Baikonur]

In vain do you think that our people say everything as much as possible! We always have a strategy - to hide to the maximum achievements and (to) sell what is already at a previous level and has a high demand and authority, although this is at the current level, and the developments themselves are cooler by an order of magnitude, only about this - no! When the time comes, then the polite mother Kuzi will appear!
Unlike the Americans, who will develop something new (although there are questions for these new developments), they immediately brag about it and ask the rulers for money for serial production!

PS: In formulated, already sweating!

[rotmistr60]

Well, probably sweating for a reason. The idea is clear - keep the latest secret so that it will be a surprise for the "partners".

[IAlex]

When the general says that he is asleep and sees - the moment of the film "the arms baron" is recalled, when the cartridges fly out of the AK, the ringing of the cash register is heard ...

[Flinky]

While there are normal air defense systems - let them jerk off to their "air superiority" ...

[roskot]

It happens. slipped, fell. Woke up, the sheet was wet. Sadness, however.

[aslanxnumx]

What kind of down minus normal comments?

[aslanxnumx]

Production was resumed about 5 years ago and at this stage it reached normal capacity!

[Sivan]

Quote: aslan07

Production was resumed about 5 years ago and at this stage it reached normal capacity!

Where did the firewood come from? Here is the news 4 years ago.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/in-focus-usaf-receives-last-f-22-rapt
or-371401 /
http://www.f-16.net/f-22-news-article4561.html

Lockheed martin delivers final F-22 Raptors.

All. Last. Final. No longer let out.

[clidon]

The production was closed, but the line was left in "canned food".

[roskot]

However, his dreams are unlikely to come true.

Dreams come and go, but you always want to eat.

[33 Watcher]

before the creation of the 6th generation fighter (promised by 2020)
Why ?! Yo mine You will finish these "golden" firewood, won't you? I'm crap, that's what other people's money, not earned ...

[TOR2]

U.S. Air Force General Herbert Carlisle admitted that amid the growing power of the Russian Federation and China, he dreams of restarting mass production of the 5th generation F-22 fighters.

And what actually F-22 earned such recognition? They didn’t let him get close to real hostilities, but on paper everything was always smooth.

[aslanxnumx]

The Indian Air Force used 4 aircraft of Russian design and the Indian assembly of the Su-30MKI during the exercises at Coningsby. According to the publication, the maneuvers were an excellent opportunity for British pilots to test their strength against the background of Russian-built fighters.

The Indian side claims that its Air Force won an overwhelming 12: 0 victory in direct air combat, and its pilots prevailed not only in one-on-one battles with the British fourth-generation Eurofighter Typhoon fighters, but also in battles "one to two" with a numerical advantage on the side of the opponent.

The British military parried the statements of the Indian counterparts, noting that, in their opinion, these words are bravado and intended for "domestic consumption", the newspaper adds.

[mvg]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

Guten Tag, Iskander!

It seems to me that the F-15 will be a real "workhorse" of the USAAF for a long time, but projects like the F-22, F-35 are designed, first of all, to fulfill two goals: 1. Weapons developers, receiving huge sums, can afford to develop and introduce new systems, try new layouts of machines designed to both increase survivability and reduce their visibility on radars (the notorious "Stealth", which is currently ineffective), and it does not matter what the final price or quality of products will be - all this " transitional options ", and they will be sold to those countries that, as in the case of Israel, cannot refuse. 2. The American military machine must continue to convince the entire interested world that their research is the most advanced, and the weapons, of course, the most high-tech (this, in turn, two other reasons - "God's chosen nation" (purely American complex ) and the fact that the Russians, starting work on the T-50 and T-14, planted a hefty pig on the USA, because even the T-90 "Vladimir" against the background of the morally and technologically outdated "Abrams" (with an automatic loader in the form of a muscular Negro, above than they never tire of laughing even in the West) looks very advantageous.In addition, today the T-90 is not what it was when its production began, because the electronics and protection systems were improved later).
Well, you are absolutely right when you talk about the printing press. FRS is ready at any moment to give the economy as many dollars as it needs. And even if the general course "sags" again, this can be corrected with the help of another "small victorious war." At least, it seems to me that this is what they think, forgetting that the era of "small victorious wars" is gone forever - ISIS, Ukraine, Syria ... everywhere the US Army is suffering painful and humiliating defeats. The Arabs have learned to deftly scatter from attack aircraft, so much so that air strikes do not bring any practical benefit at all, the Ukrainians, despite the belligerent rhetoric, as it turned out, are fighting worse than the Papuans with spears, and the LPR, DPR are definitely too tough for them, Syria, having survived the most for difficult and terrible times will not fall apart, and Assad will not go anywhere, on the contrary, a Russia-Iran-Syria alliance is gradually being formed, which may well set its own harsh rules of the game in the East, and then the US Army will have to return home altogether, because they will do there there will be absolutely nothing.

Why are you rushing to the automatic loader, it has many more minuses than pluses .. Are the Germans, Americans, British ... all so stupid that they didn’t do it? You should at least enter the topic before writing.

[kotvov]

But the Germans, Americans, British ... are all so stupid that they did not do it? You should at least enter the topic before writing. ,,
you, as I understand it, in the topic. So explain what are the problems with the machine? Or are you so advanced that you are not able to explain it?

[Sivan]

Why are you rushing to the automatic loader, it has many more minuses than pluses .. Are the Germans, Americans, British ... all so stupid that they didn’t do it?

Then (70-80s) they could not make a normal machine for long unitary BOPS.
And now the Koreans and the Japanese have done. There is an AZ on their tanks.
And the French at Leclerc too.

[_my opinion]

American general: "I sleep and see" the resumption of serial production of the F-22

well, sleep on and don’t wake up

[nonjumping]

But the American general is right. But their trouble is that the pricing policy of the snickering American military-industrial giants has led to an interesting paradox: even the United States itself can’t afford their new weapons. Even in Hollywood films, they begin to chuckle at the fact that tens of thousands of pieces of paper with portraits of American presidents cost them to screw a screw with a screwdriver.

[clidon]

First you need to understand how this policy reflects the real cost of products. Well, other than the "lumpy feel and Hollywood references". After all, corporations use this money to carry out all the work, including NIKORA, equipment modernization, personnel training, etc. In our country, they often shake the figure from the budget, saying how cheap it is, indicating only the cost per unit of production.

[nonjumping]

Yes, I understand that they carry out the work. But those denyuzhki that they used to receive for it do not go in comparison with anything. And this alone cannot be explained by the high salaries of their workers. And the quality of modern American special products often leaves much to be desired (not what it was during the height of the Cold War). Although I have the impression that in Russia, too, some do not mind raising the profitability of some enterprises. But what’s going on with them, vryatli somewhere else someday will be. But I don’t refer to Hollywood, I just heard a phrase that hit the mark in some movie - that’s what I remember

[nonjumping]

PS Most Hollywood films, on the contrary, work for their propaganda, because I don’t want you to think that for me this is some important source of information.

[clidon]

Based on what do you say, I repeat? Do you have any layouts? Well, besides that you can’t argue with that - the salaries there are higher, which of course very, very much affects the cost of the product.
On the contrary, I think that our production, on average, is much more consumable and costly, this is a legacy of the Soviet era, when enterprises did not bother much with profitability, plus they carried a large package of social obligations. And expenses were "scattered" in different directions (fixed assets, preferential prices for materials, equipment purchases at inflated prices, "free" training programs) and, in general, it turned out cheaper.

[nonjumping]

Honestly, I am too lazy to look for layouts. I have long been fond of military technology in general and aviation in particular. And this belief arose in my mind on the basis of many different articles and news, and not related to politics and jingoistic patriotic propaganda. The cost of the same work in the United States in this area is increasing every year. And we are not talking about new technologies that could still be an excuse for overstating prices (although in Russia, thanks to new production technologies, for example, on the contrary, it was possible to reduce the production of rockets for Grad multiple launch rocket systems and at the same time improve all their characteristics). Roughly speaking, the cost of the same products and work on military topics in the United States every 10 years increases almost 10 times. This applies not only to production, but also to the maintenance of old equipment. Although, as you know, the states do not suffer from inflation. Of course, you can not believe me - your right, just in order to find the layouts that interest you, I need to search through a huge number of special magazines and other news sources (especially about the course of the F-35 program - where this problem was highlighted most clearly): I even I don't know where to start. As for our more consumable production in comparison with theirs, I agree, this is not surprising, because they are businessmen with continuous experience almost from the time the states gained independence. And this speaks even more eloquently about their price abuse. In general, their oligarchic regime is smart and civilized (if I may put it that way), where it is not customary to wash dirty linen in public, but in our country it is wild and seems to work for internal destruction and decomposition.

[clidon]

Well, first of all, they also suffer from inflation and rising living standards - just look at the growth of real wages in the US aerospace industry over the past 20 years (two times somewhere). The cost is affected by the shrinking of the market Secondly, the cost of technology is growing, again, you can easily look, for example, how much "naked" Su-30/35 fighters cost for the Russian domestic market.
And what you looked and read very much depends on the sources - for example, on this site you can read twenty options for presenting the problem on the one hand.