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American general: "I sleep and see" the resumption of serial production of the F-22

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General of the American Air Force Herbert Carlisle admitted that against the background of the increasing power of the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China he is dreaming of restarting the mass production of the X-NUMX F-generation F-5 fighters. However, his dreams are unlikely to come true, writes the publication Fightglobal.




The general said that he "sleeps and sees" the resumption of production of the F-22, and he does not undertake to say "how much it will cost and whether Congress and the Pentagon will agree to such a move."

The publication notes that “the number of purchased F-22 was repeatedly reduced - first from 750 to 339, then to 195 aircraft.” According to Carlisle, "this is the biggest mistake ever made."

“Thoughts about the resumption of production of F-22, most likely, will remain a dream, because the US government in the coming years is aimed primarily at solving three other tasks in this area - the production of the F-35 fighter-bomber, KC-46 transporter and long-range bomber ", - quotes the newspaper edition Look.

As a temporary measure (instead of resuming production of the F-22) until the creation of the 6 fighter generation (promised by 2020), the United States Air Force proposes to upgrade the F-15C and talk about "closer cooperation of the F-35 and F-22".

“F-35 is not intended to provide superiority in the air; it was designed to work primarily on ground targets while the F-22 is doing work in the air-to-air area. The purchase of the F-22 has been curtailed, and now there are not enough aircraft available to ensure air superiority. ”- Fightglobal leads the words of the Chief of Staff of the Air Force Mark Welch.

In his opinion, the Pentagon "should complement the F-22 in the short term," and this can be done "by upgrading the previous-generation fighter F-15C, which, in particular, can be equipped with the latest radars, which will allow fighter competitive in its field for the next 10 years. "

The general believes that "this is the only way to maintain air superiority if the production of the F-22 is not restored."
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  1. tomket
    tomket 18 September 2015 10: 29 New
    +8
    You can still put the latest radars on the Mustangs .....
    1. insafufa
      insafufa 18 September 2015 10: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: tomket
      You can still put the latest radars on the Mustangs .....


      You can’t put it on a mustang on Seybor smile
      1. Haettenschweiler
        Haettenschweiler 18 September 2015 10: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: insafufa
        You can’t put it on a mustang on Seybor


        It remains only to dig somewhere a couple of hundred Sabers.
        1. Now we are free
          Now we are free 18 September 2015 11: 22 New
          +12
          Quote: Haettenschweiler
          It remains only to dig somewhere a couple of hundred Sabers.

          Guten Tag Denis hi
          Sabers Sabers, but the F-15C is quite good, although it’s strange that the United States is not going to modernize and extend the life of a more successful and more functional version of the “Eagle” of the 15-generation F-4E Strike Eagle fighter / bomber that has proved to be quite good in a number of conflicts. In this case, gigantic funds are saved (the cost of one F-22 is equivalent to the amount if it were made of gold) + the US Air Force pilots have known the F-15 machine and its modifications for a long time and they don’t need to relearn to Glass F-22s (and this also huge cost savings).
          But the USA, as practice shows, does not save money on walking, so walking! The machine will print green papers ...
          In general, when it comes to the renewal of the “Raptor” issue, you need to look at who raises this issue, definitely Lockheed / Boeing promised this person / group of lobbyists a considerable share of the contract for the delivery of Golden fighters to the army, which still do not know how they will show themselves during real DB ...


          P.S. The American army as a mirror of the entire country of the United States resembles a drug addict who needs a dose (funding) every time and each time the dose should be a little, but more than the previous one. I recalled the joke on the topic of Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson if you imagine the United States Army and the US concerns working on expensive military contracts at Watson's place:

          Dr. Watson decided to somehow wean Sherlock Holmes from smoking a pipe.
          I went and consulted a professor.
          Professor says:
          - You put yourself in the ass for a while ...
          Watson did so.
          Holmes came, lit a pipe and did not blink an eye.
          The next time, Watson put the phone deeper and for a longer time.
          Holmes again calmly smoked.
          Another month passed.
          Holmes did not quit smoking, but Watson could not without a pipe.
          1. Haettenschweiler
            Haettenschweiler 18 September 2015 12: 03 New
            +5
            Guten Tag, Iskander!

            It seems to me that the F-15 will be a real workhorse for the USAAF for a long time, but projects like F-22, F-35 are designed, first of all, to fulfill two goals: 1. Arms developers, getting huge amounts, can afford to develop and introduce new systems, try new machine configurations designed to both increase survivability and reduce their visibility on radars (the notorious "Stealth", which is currently ineffective), and it doesn’t matter what the final price or quality of the products will be - all this " transitional options, "and they will be sold to those countries that, as in the case of Israel, cannot refuse. 2. The American war machine should continue to convince the whole concerned world that their research is the most advanced, and that the armament is certainly the most high-tech (this, in turn, is two other reasons - the “God-chosen nation” (a purely American complex ) and the fact that the Russians, starting work on the T-50 and T-14, planted a hefty pig in USA, because even the T-90 Vladimir against the backdrop of the morally and technologically obsolete Abrams (with an automatic loader in the form of a muscular Negro what they don’t get tired of laughing even in the West) looks very advantageous. In addition, today the T-90 is not the same as it was when its production began, because the electronics and protection systems were improved even later).
            Well, you are absolutely right when you talk about the printing press. FRS is ready at any moment to give the economy as many dollars as it needs. And even if the general course "sags" again, this can be corrected with the help of another "small victorious war." At least, it seems to me that is exactly what they think, forgetting that the era of "small victorious wars" has gone irrevocably - ISIS, Ukraine, Syria ... everywhere the US Army suffers painful and humiliating defeats. The Arabs learned to deftly flee from the attack aircraft, so much so that airstrikes do not bring any practical benefit at all, Ukrainians, despite the warlike rhetoric, as it turned out, are fighting worse than the Papuans with spears, and the LPR, the DPR are just too tough for them, Syria, having survived the most for difficult and terrible times will not fall apart, and Assad will not go anywhere, on the contrary, a Russia-Iran-Syria alliance will gradually form, which may well set its own tough rules of the game in the East, and then the US Army will have to return home altogether, because to do it there there will be absolutely nothing.
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        3. Stalker.1977
          Stalker.1977 18 September 2015 12: 23 New
          +1
          But this one? it’s also not a bad idea ...
        4. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 18 September 2015 14: 12 New
          +4
          For the sake of interest, I typed on the Internet: a dream book - a fighter is dreaming. The answer is if you dreamed of a fighter, then soon you will experience a very unpleasant moment in your destiny. So, Mr. General, expect change.
      2. tomket
        tomket 18 September 2015 10: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: insafufa
        You can’t put it on a mustang on Seybor

        Flying Mustangs are more than Sabers, because Mustangs are more promising. There is some kind of plate to fix)))
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 18 September 2015 11: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: tomket
          Flying Mustangs are more than Sabers, because Mustangs are more promising. There is some kind of plate to fix)))

          This is necessary!
          1. FREGATENKAPITAN
            FREGATENKAPITAN 18 September 2015 11: 29 New
            +8
            That looks better in my opinion!
            1. Tanais
              Tanais 18 September 2015 14: 12 New
              0
              Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
              That looks better in my opinion!

              No, I don’t argue ... It’s just at the Twin Mustang, there is already a “blamb” for the locator ...
      3. Kostyar
        Kostyar 18 September 2015 10: 51 New
        +4
        American general: "I sleep and see" the resumption of serial production of the F-22

        Bayu-bayushki-bayu, good night general ......., superiority has sunk into oblivion !!!
        You better not wake up !!!
      4. marlin1203
        marlin1203 18 September 2015 11: 56 New
        +1
        Yes, he means a Ford Mustang! laughing
    2. fox21h
      fox21h 18 September 2015 10: 34 New
      +1
      It will just be a budget cut
      All electronics is no longer produced, which is now on f22, so that it could be launched on a new one, a huge infusion of cash and not only resources is needed.
      And if there will be a replacement, with a new one, then again this is also adding software adaptation.
    3. Vend
      Vend 18 September 2015 10: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: tomket
      You can still put the latest radars on the Mustangs .....

      But first place in the ranking of world armies laughing
    4. marlin1203
      marlin1203 18 September 2015 11: 53 New
      +3
      "Sleep and See" seems to be becoming the usual state of American generals laughing
  2. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 18 September 2015 10: 32 New
    +3
    Well then! It turns out that among the American military there are stupid people, and besides, they are desperate in some way, since they flooded against the jet. Grasping in the lobby in Congress and Lockheed Martin at the same time - you need to have either a hole in your head or steel eggs.
    1. SIvan
      SIvan 19 September 2015 19: 54 New
      +1
      Incidentally, he did not say anything against the production of the F-35. He only talked about the need to use both F-22 and F-35.
  3. VP
    VP 18 September 2015 10: 33 New
    +6
    Well, no, she’s dead, then she’s dead, fly on F-35
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 18 September 2015 10: 36 New
      +1
      ... the doctor said: “to the morgue!”, then to the morgue! laughing
    2. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 18 September 2015 11: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: VP
      Well, no, she’s dead, then she’s dead, fly on F-35

      Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! Fly on irons, not just steam others.
  4. Decathlon
    Decathlon 18 September 2015 10: 35 New
    +9
    "... this is the biggest mistake ever made ..."
    The biggest mistake is the Mayflower's accident-free voyage in 1620 ...
  5. little girl15
    little girl15 18 September 2015 10: 35 New
    0
    That's the trouble with the Yankus, Russia is going to produce T-50 and Tu-160 And they have to upgrade the F-15C. However, the regress ...
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 18 September 2015 23: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Vovochka15
      That's the trouble with the Yankus, Russia is going to produce T-50 and Tu-160 And they have to upgrade the F-15C. However, the regress ...


      Your comment is written in some sort of “patriotic” style. To begin with, we are just GOING to release them, I’m not talking about supplies to the troops and full combat readiness. And they have F-22 in service for a long time and the F-35, although not yet accepted, is also in the amount of up to 150 units. I’m not that you don’t have to be patriotic, just the enemy should not be underestimated. I recalled a joke about the Soviet press (in my own words): “Today our secretary general and the American president ran to the districts. The American leader reached the finish line just the penultimate one, while Brezhnev took the honorable second place”))
  6. Dima Čalevo
    Dima Čalevo 18 September 2015 10: 37 New
    +1
    Yes, to resume production, it is necessary to create a modernization program, a lot of what it costs is no longer produced for years, and more than 15 years have passed, avionics is becoming obsolete.
    And with the love of corporations for the constant increase in estimates, it will cost just astronomical money.
  7. Magic archer
    Magic archer 18 September 2015 10: 38 New
    +2
    I remember how the F-22 hearing was held in the congress. Initially, the conversation was that besides the Americans, there are no 5 generation aircraft, so it makes no sense to release them in large numbers. And when they found out about its price, the question was answered by itself.
  8. shelva
    shelva 18 September 2015 10: 41 New
    +1
    It is time for the Americans to say goodbye to thoughts of superiority - in the air, on land or at sea - anyway.
  9. Dyatko Nebatko
    Dyatko Nebatko 18 September 2015 10: 45 New
    +2
    "And I always wake up at the most interesting place ...."
  10. aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx 18 September 2015 10: 49 New
    +1
    Well, air supremacy is a relative thing, in some sort of Somalia they are the kings of heaven, let them try to run into a more or less equal country!
  11. loaln
    loaln 18 September 2015 10: 51 New
    +4
    In vain people think that Americans say something sincerely.
    Once, the dances around F-22 began, so look for where our pierced and are now sitting in thought. And such stuffing should form an opinion to go along the path necessary for the Americans.
    So, it’s not so simple, and not simpletons and suckers are sitting there. Suckers are those who rejoice at the sloppiness appearing suddenly judgments.
    See the root? Although ..., he still needs to be found and seen.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 18 September 2015 11: 02 New
      +2
      In vain do you think that our people say everything as much as possible! We always have a strategy - to hide to the maximum achievements and (to) sell what is already at a previous level and has a high demand and authority, although this is at the current level, and the developments themselves are cooler by an order of magnitude, only about this - no! When the time comes, then the polite mother Kuzi will appear! hi
      Unlike the Americans, who will develop something new (although there are questions for these new developments), they immediately brag about it and ask the rulers for money for serial production!

      PS: In formulated, already sweating! wink
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 18 September 2015 11: 35 New
        +1
        Well, probably not in vain sweating. The idea is clear - keep the newest secret, so that was a surprise for the "partners".
  12. IAlex
    IAlex 18 September 2015 10: 55 New
    +1
    When the general says that he is sleeping and seeing - I remember the moment of the film "weapons baron" when the cartridges fly out of the AK you hear the ringing of the cash register ...
  13. Flinky
    Flinky 18 September 2015 10: 57 New
    +1
    As long as there are normal air defense systems - let them masturbate for their "air supremacy" ...
  14. roskot
    roskot 18 September 2015 10: 59 New
    0
    It happens. slipped, fell. Woke up, the sheet was wet. Sadness, however.
  15. aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx 18 September 2015 11: 17 New
    0
    What kind of down minus normal comments?
  16. aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx 18 September 2015 11: 20 New
    -2
    Production was resumed about 5 years ago and at this stage it reached normal capacity!
    1. SIvan
      SIvan 19 September 2015 20: 00 New
      0
      Quote: aslan07
      Production was resumed about 5 years ago and at this stage it reached normal capacity!

      Where did the firewood come from? Here is the news 4 years ago.

      https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/in-focus-usaf-receives-last-f-22-rapt
      or-371401 /
      http://www.f-16.net/f-22-news-article4561.html

      Lockheed martin delivers final F-22 Raptor.

      All. Last. Final. No longer let out.
      1. clidon
        clidon 19 September 2015 20: 23 New
        0
        Production was covered up, but the line was left in canned food.
  17. roskot
    roskot 18 September 2015 11: 43 New
    0
    However, his dreams are unlikely to come true.

    Dreams come and go, but you always want to eat.
  18. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 18 September 2015 12: 11 New
    0
    before the creation of the 6th generation fighter (promised by 2020)
    Why ?! Yo mine what You will finish these "golden" firewood, will not you? I'm crap, that's what other people's money means, not earned ...
  19. TOR2
    TOR2 18 September 2015 12: 41 New
    +3
    U.S. Air Force General Herbert Carlisle admitted that amid the growing power of the Russian Federation and China, he dreams of restarting mass production of the 5th generation F-22 fighters.

    And what actually F-22 earned such recognition? They didn’t let him get close to real hostilities, but on paper everything was always smooth.
  20. aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx 18 September 2015 12: 50 New
    +2
    The Indian Air Force used 4 aircraft of Russian design and the Indian assembly of the Su-30MKI during the exercises at Coningsby. According to the publication, the maneuvers were an excellent opportunity for British pilots to test their strength against the background of Russian-built fighters.

    The Indian side claims that its air force in a direct air battle won a landslide victory with a score of 12: 0, and its pilots gained the upper hand not only in one-on-one battles with the fourth-generation British fighters Eurofighter Typhoon, but also battles "one in two" with a numerical advantage on the side of the opponent.

    The British military parried the statements of the Indian counterparts, noting that, in their opinion, these words are bravado and are intended for "domestic consumption," the newspaper adds.
  21. mvg
    mvg 18 September 2015 13: 09 New
    -2
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    Guten Tag, Iskander!

    It seems to me that the F-15 will be a real workhorse for the USAAF for a long time, but projects like F-22, F-35 are designed, first of all, to fulfill two goals: 1. Arms developers, getting huge amounts, can afford to develop and introduce new systems, try new machine configurations designed to both increase survivability and reduce their visibility on radars (the notorious "Stealth", which is currently ineffective), and it doesn’t matter what the final price or quality of the products will be - all this " transitional options, "and they will be sold to those countries that, as in the case of Israel, cannot refuse. 2. The American war machine should continue to convince the whole concerned world that their research is the most advanced, and that the armament is certainly the most high-tech (this, in turn, is two other reasons - the “God-chosen nation” (a purely American complex ) and the fact that the Russians, starting work on the T-50 and T-14, planted a hefty pig in USA, because even the T-90 Vladimir against the backdrop of the morally and technologically obsolete Abrams (with an automatic loader in the form of a muscular Negro what they don’t get tired of laughing even in the West) looks very advantageous. In addition, today the T-90 is not the same as it was when its production began, because the electronics and protection systems were improved even later).
    Well, you are absolutely right when you talk about the printing press. FRS is ready at any moment to give the economy as many dollars as it needs. And even if the general course "sags" again, this can be corrected with the help of another "small victorious war." At least, it seems to me that is exactly what they think, forgetting that the era of "small victorious wars" has gone irrevocably - ISIS, Ukraine, Syria ... everywhere the US Army suffers painful and humiliating defeats. The Arabs learned to deftly flee from the attack aircraft, so much so that airstrikes do not bring any practical benefit at all, Ukrainians, despite the warlike rhetoric, as it turned out, are fighting worse than the Papuans with spears, and the LPR, the DPR are just too tough for them, Syria, having survived the most for difficult and terrible times will not fall apart, and Assad will not go anywhere, on the contrary, a Russia-Iran-Syria alliance will gradually form, which may well set its own tough rules of the game in the East, and then the US Army will have to return home altogether, because to do it there there will be absolutely nothing.

    Why are you rushing to the automatic loader, it has many more minuses than pluses .. Are the Germans, Americans, British ... all so stupid that they didn’t do it? You should at least enter the topic before writing.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 18 September 2015 20: 31 New
      +2
      But the Germans, Americans, British ... are all so stupid that they did not do it? You should at least enter the topic before writing. ,,
      you, as I understand it, in the topic. So explain what are the problems with the machine? Or are you so advanced that you are not able to explain it?
    2. SIvan
      SIvan 19 September 2015 20: 05 New
      0
      Why are you rushing to the automatic loader, it has many more minuses than pluses .. Are the Germans, Americans, British ... all so stupid that they didn’t do it?

      Then (70-80s) they could not make a normal machine for long unitary BOPS.
      And now the Koreans and the Japanese have done. There is an AZ on their tanks.
      And the French at Leclerc too.
  22. _my opinion
    _my opinion 18 September 2015 15: 04 New
    +1
    American general: "I sleep and see" the resumption of serial production of the F-22

    well, sleep on and don’t wake up smile
  23. Non-jumping
    Non-jumping 18 September 2015 15: 42 New
    +3
    But the American general is right. But their trouble is that the pricing policy of the snickering American military-industrial giants has led to an interesting paradox: even the United States itself can’t afford their new weapons. Even in Hollywood films, they begin to chuckle at the fact that tens of thousands of pieces of paper with portraits of American presidents cost them to screw a screw with a screwdriver.
    1. clidon
      clidon 18 September 2015 23: 13 New
      0
      First you need to understand how this policy reflects the real value of the product. Well, except for the "lumpy feeling and references to Hollywood." After all, corporations with this money do all the work, including NIKORA, equipment modernization, staff training, etc. We often shake digital figures from the budget line, they say how cheap it is, indicating only the cost per unit of output.
      1. Non-jumping
        Non-jumping 19 September 2015 00: 01 New
        0
        Yes, I understand that they carry out the work. But those denyuzhki that they used to receive for it do not go in comparison with anything. And this alone cannot be explained by the high salaries of their workers. And the quality of modern American special products often leaves much to be desired (not what it was during the height of the Cold War). Although I have the impression that in Russia, too, some do not mind raising the profitability of some enterprises. But what’s going on with them, vryatli somewhere else someday will be. But I don’t refer to Hollywood, I just heard a phrase that hit the mark in some movie - that’s what I remember smile
        1. Non-jumping
          Non-jumping 19 September 2015 00: 22 New
          0
          PS Most Hollywood films, on the contrary, work for their propaganda, because I don’t want you to think that for me this is some important source of information.
        2. clidon
          clidon 19 September 2015 08: 40 New
          0
          Based on what do you say, I repeat? Do you have any layouts? Well, besides that you can’t argue with that - the salaries there are higher, which of course very, very much affects the cost of the product.
          On the contrary, I believe that our production on average is much more costly and costly, this is a legacy of the Soviet times, when enterprises did not particularly bother with profitability, plus they carried a large package of social obligations. And the expenses were "scattered" in different directions (fixed assets, preferential prices for materials, equipment purchases at inflated prices, "free" training programs) and generally turned out to be cheaper.
  24. Non-jumping
    Non-jumping 19 September 2015 15: 22 New
    0
    Honestly, layouts, calculations, I look for laziness. I have been fond of military equipment in general and aviation in particular for a long time. And such a conviction arose from me on the basis of many different articles and news, moreover, not related to politics and cheers-patriotic propaganda. The cost of the same work in the United States in this area is increasing every year. And this is not about new technologies, which could still be an excuse for raising prices (although in Russia, thanks to new production technologies, for example, it was possible to reduce the production of rockets for Grad multiple launch rocket systems and at the same time improve all their characteristics). Roughly speaking, the cost of the same products and work on military topics in the United States every 10 years increases by almost 10 times. This applies not only to production, but also to maintenance of old equipment. Although, as you know, the states do not suffer from inflation. Of course, you may not believe me - your right, just to find the layouts you are interested in, I need to search through a huge number of special magazines and other news sources (especially about the F-35 program - where this problem was highlighted most clearly): I even I don’t know where to start. As for our more expensive production compared to them, I agree, this is not surprising, because they are businessmen with continuous experience almost since the time when the states gained independence. And this even more eloquently speaks of their price abuse. In general, their oligarchic regime is smart and civilized (if one may put it that way), where it is not customary to take dirty linen out of the hut, and here we have a wild one and as if working for internal destruction and decay.
    1. clidon
      clidon 19 September 2015 19: 50 New
      0
      Well, firstly, they also suffer from inflation and an increase in the standard of living - just look at the growth of real wages in the US aerospace industry over the past 20 years (about two times somewhere). The cost is affected by the reduction of the market. Secondly, the cost of technology is growing. Again, you can easily look at how much the naked Su-30/35 fighters are for the Russian domestic market.
      And what you looked and read very much depends on the sources - for example, on this site you can read twenty options for presenting the problem on the one hand.