Exercises with the participation of the PAK FA will begin immediately after his arrival in the army in 2016

During the press conference, Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Force (RFL), said that the fifth-generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA) will begin training immediately after its entry into the army in 2016.




“The first copies of the T-50 should be put into service in 2016 year. So far we haven’t drawn up plans for the next year’s exercises, but believe me, it will immediately, like Su-30 and Su-35, be tested by its capabilities in all types of exercises, whatever they may be, ”he said. INTERFAX.RU.

Bondarev noted that currently test pilots of the VKS are testing T-50 at the site of the VP Flight Test Center. Chkalov, who is in Akhtubinsk, performing various tasks.

“I think that in the exercises he will also show himself from the best side. Once again I say that the plane is wonderful, its capabilities are enormous, especially since the onboard computer will make the maximum itself, the pilot will only control its actions. We have high hopes for this aircraft and I think it will justify them, ”he stressed.
Photos used:
http://globallookpress.com/
Ctrl Enter

Noticed a mistake Highlight text and press. Ctrl + Enter

75 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. rotmistr60 18 September 2015 08: 43 New
    • 5
    • 0
    +5
    We have high hopes for this aircraft and I think that it will justify them.

    Let's hope. So much has been written and told about this plane.
    1. Stalker.1977 18 September 2015 08: 58 New
      • 3
      • 0
      +3
      Hastily arming ourselves, the situation resembles the year 39 before the start of World War II.
      1. Lord of the Sith 18 September 2015 16: 31 New
        • 2
        • 0
        +2
        Quote: Stalker.1977
        Hastily arming ourselves, the situation resembles the year 39 before the start of World War II.

        This situation has been going on since 2010.
    2. kodxnumx 18 September 2015 09: 00 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      Hurry, the troops need him!
      1. Alexey-74 18 September 2015 09: 48 New
        • -4
        • 0
        -4
        great news, right to send immediately to the exercises, let the West sing again .....
        1. ancient 18 September 2015 15: 23 New
          • 5
          • 0
          +5
          Quote: Alexey-74
          great news, rightly send immediately to the exercises, let the West sing again.


          They have not yet raised the prototype of the 2nd stage to the wing, but .... is it already "good news"?
          1. NEXUS 18 September 2015 15: 44 New
            • 3
            • 0
            +3
            Quote: ancient
            They have not yet raised the prototype of the 2nd stage to the wing, but .... is it already "good news"?

            Good afternoon, Sasha ... I'm glad to see you in good health. drinks
            I don’t understand who is pulling these pitiful generals by the tongue. They haven’t finished it yet, but they are fighting in words on it. They must be driven out of the army by a filthy broom.
            1. ancient 18 September 2015 17: 05 New
              • 3
              • 0
              +3
              Quote: NEXUS
              I also don’t understand who is pulling these woe-generals by the tongue.


              The same, probably, "bonded birds" that they order, then .. "sing" request But she’s haste .. she’s not doing good soldier

              Here is an example .. only the P-73, but ... it’s all the same .. "Urya" ... because it flies request

    3. andre 18 September 2015 09: 52 New
      • -3
      • 0
      -3
      What the fuck is minusanul?
    4. Samaritan 18 September 2015 11: 12 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      I don’t understand something about India. Are they involved or not, are they knowledgeable ???
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER 18 September 2015 11: 52 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        Well, as they participate, they are already saving money.
  2. Evgeny_Lev 18 September 2015 08: 45 New
    • 12
    • 0
    +12
    I remember how it all began)))

    How many Thomas were unbelievers))
  3. vovanpain 18 September 2015 08: 46 New
    • 8
    • 0
    +8
    It's time to deliver it to the Air Force
    1. Lelek 18 September 2015 10: 19 New
      • 4
      • 0
      +4
      Quote: vovanpain
      It's time to deliver it to the Air Force


      The car is beautiful and functional, but there is no need to rush - to test, test and test again, and only then .... yes
  4. A1L9E4K9S 18 September 2015 08: 47 New
    • 2
    • 0
    +2
    What was seen, what will be seen, we wish the new plane a clear sky and safe landings at our airport.
  5. MIKHAN 18 September 2015 08: 50 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    We’ll wait! I hope he won’t disappoint us ... But there was so much noise!
    1. NEXUS 18 September 2015 08: 59 New
      • 8
      • 0
      +8
      Quote: MIKHAN
      We’ll wait! I hope he won’t disappoint us ... But there was so much noise!

      The appearance of PAK FA in the troops will be as effective as the appearance of Armata. You should not hurry, it is important to bring this handsome man to mind, and not in a hurry, like the Americans with the Raptor.
      1. ASK505 18 September 2015 09: 42 New
        • -1
        • 0
        -1
        Quote: NEXUS
        It’s not worth the hassle, it’s important to bring this beauty to mind, and not in a hurry, like the Americans


        It would be necessary to call the KB and say so as not to rush. Americans on the contrary, in a hurry.
        1. Tektor 18 September 2015 12: 58 New
          • -1
          • 0
          -1
          So Bondarev said the right thing, that you need to immediately begin to experience the exercises in order to get information about the shortcomings for refinement as quickly as possible. And how else can you learn about problems, if not through trials and exercises?
          1. ancient 18 September 2015 15: 31 New
            • 4
            • 0
            +4
            Quote: Tektor
            So Bondarev said the right thing


            Bondarev said (if only he said that) absolute .. stupidity! wink
            It is only possible to conduct MILITARY tests on an airplane that has passed the FULL TWO STAGES of the GSI (the remarks in Lists 1 and 2 have been eliminated) and launched at least in trial operation soldier
            And in order to “find out the problems” for this, there exists GLITs and its test pilots soldier
            And in order to teach combat pilots, the techniques will also “create” Lipetsk, that is. how to apply and what can be applied.
            And you already ... "Urya-doctrine" wassat
      2. ancient 18 September 2015 15: 25 New
        • 3
        • 0
        +3
        Quote: NEXUS
        The appearance of PAK FA in the troops will be as effective as the appearance of Armata.


        That's just .. to live to this point recourse (this is me to myself wink ).
        1. NEXUS 18 September 2015 15: 46 New
          • 3
          • 0
          +3
          Quote: ancient
          That's just .. to live to this point (it's me to myself).

          I’ll let you not live. So that I wouldn’t even think! angry drinks
          1. ancient 18 September 2015 16: 34 New
            • 4
            • 0
            +4
            Quote: NEXUS
            I'll let you not live.


            Thank you, Andrey, for .. "kind words", but .. even "God is not a fraer" .. you can’t deceive him wink

            But ... I would like ... to really see the BUILDING car already drinks

  6. ASUR 18 September 2015 08: 52 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    We will not rush !!!
    Let's wait for the first deliveries and exercises ...
    And the news is GOOD !!!
  7. roskot 18 September 2015 08: 53 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Higher, higher, and higher
    We fly our birds
    And in every propeller breathes
    The calm of our borders.
  8. Tusv 18 September 2015 08: 57 New
    • 2
    • 0
    +2
    We are waiting.
    As one American said, an absolutely equal car with the Raptor, only the Russian maneuverability, the afterburner is faster and armed better and so thoughtfully adding that we still have good radars.
    This is still the five experienced instances so on the mattress.
    1. veksha50 18 September 2015 09: 36 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      Quote: Tusv
      As one American saidabsolutely equal car with the Raptor,


      Exactly ... American ...

      I won’t talk about a real hypothetical fight between them ... I wanted to at least see the Raptor’s aerobatic capabilities ... I was shocked by our PAK ... I’m not sure that I will be shocked by the Raptor aerobatics ...

      PS And so, according to Amerikos, PAK’s well only afterburner is faster, weapons and radar are better ...
      I made fun ...
  9. oberon 1 18 September 2015 08: 58 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    If only the plane went into series and more were produced to the maximum.
    1. ASK505 18 September 2015 09: 39 New
      • 3
      • 0
      +3
      Quote: oberon 1
      more were produced to the maximum


      Explain "Get the most out of it." How much is this?
  10. Aaron Zawi 18 September 2015 09: 16 New
    • 8
    • 0
    +8
    That's why people brains rosin? What are they going to supply to the troops? The aircraft of the first stage are still very limited raid.
    state on 10.08.2015.
    T-50-1 - 219 hours, 197 landings.
    T-50-2 - 221 h, 221 landing. 24.07.2015 during the test of the VPU-50 with cargoes destroyed one of the BGRO. The plane is repaired.
    T-50-3 - 300 h, 151 landing. During the pre-flight inspection, a fuel leak was detected in the area of ​​the left air intake. To eliminate the leak, the engine and the engine were dismantled. Assembly is now being carried out after repair.
    T-50-4 - 169 hours, 106 landings.
    According to 6-2 - assembly, testing of systems, rigidity tests, non-failure of RPF, CHI in the minimum volume, 1 flight - up to 01.12., Then transportation to Zhukovsky - frequency tests (in full volume), flight tests. The next deadline is 15.01.2016.

    The aircraft of the second stage are still on the slipways and they have not even begun to test them.
    Planned dates for the production of experimental aircraft of the 2 stage:
    T-50-8 - transfer to LIS up to 01.10.2015, first flight - up to 01.11.2015, OKB transfer - up to 01.02.2016.
    T-50-9 - fuselage docking - September 2015, transfer to LIS to 01.01.2016, first flight - to 01.02.2016, OKB transmission - to 01.05.2016.
    T-50-10 - fuselage docking - November 2015, transfer to LIS to 01.03.2016, first flight - to 01.04.2016, OKB transfer - to 01.07.2016.
    T-50-11 - fuselage docking - January 2016, transfer to LIS to 01.05.2016, first flight - to 01.06.2016, OKB transmission - to 01.09.2016.

    So what are they going to supply to the troops? Raw equipment with an engine of the first stage, without weapons that is still being created, without a helmet that has just passed the first stage of construction? I understand that I want to scream cheers for any reason, but maybe it’s worth a little respect for myself and my colleagues on the forum?
    1. Tusv 18 September 2015 09: 36 New
      • -1
      • 0
      -1
      So what are they going to supply to the troops? Raw equipment with an engine of the first stage, without weapons that is still being created

      Too shy to ask, what stage are the engines on the American analogs? Not smoked, no? But the weapons have long been created
      1. Aaron Zawi 18 September 2015 09: 47 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        Quote: Tusv
        So what are they going to supply to the troops? Raw equipment with an engine of the first stage, without weapons that is still being created

        Too shy to ask, what stage are the engines on the American analogs? Not smoked, no? But the weapons have long been created

        There was one fire, the plane boarded independently. The problems were in the shoulder blades. She decided. At present, Lockheed Martin delivered a total of more than X-NUMX F-130 fighter jets to the customer, whose total flight time exceeded the 35 hours.
        1. Nevsky_ZU 18 September 2015 09: 59 New
          • 2
          • 0
          +2
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          There was one fire, the plane boarded independently. The problems were in the shoulder blades. She decided. At present, Lockheed Martin delivered a total of more than X-NUMX F-130 fighter jets to the customer, whose total flight time exceeded the 35 hours.


          If you count the number of airplanes and hours that you specified, then the average 219 hours for each vehicle are released !? Then why write you:

          T-50-1 - 219 hours197 landings.
          T-50-2 - 221 hours221 landing. 24.07.2015 when testing TLU-50 with cargoes collapsed one of the BGrO. The aircraft is repaired.
          T-50-3 - 300 hours151 landing. During the pre-flight inspection a fuel leak was detected in the area of ​​the left air intake. To eliminate the leakage, the engine was dismantled and a w / o. Assembly is being carried out after repair.
          T-50-4 - 169 h 106 landings.


          One hell comes out, only here with specialists from T-50 PAK FA side by side, and there the combat units report about the problems to Lockheed specialists ...
          1. Aaron Zawi 18 September 2015 10: 07 New
            • 1
            • 0
            +1
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU

            If you count the number of planes and hours that you indicated, then on average there are 219 hours for each car !? ]

            So it’s impossible to eat cars with several tens of flying hours, and there are already several thousand. And most importantly, imagine how many different flight missions in different test modes the Americans have already tested. And the first squadron appeared in the United States Commission only a month ago. And we must take into account that this is partially a combat-ready unit.
        2. Aleks28 18 September 2015 15: 39 New
          • -8
          • 0
          -8
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          There was one fire, the plane boarded independently. The problems were in the shoulder blades. She decided. At present, Lockheed Martin delivered a total of more than X-NUMX F-130 fighter jets to the customer, whose total flight time exceeded the 35 hours.

          Your suckers do not fly up to this point, and f22 has been removed from production altogether.
    2. veksha50 18 September 2015 09: 43 New
      • 5
      • 0
      +5
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      So what are they going to supply to the troops? Raw equipment with an engine of the first stage, without weapons that is still being created,



      Well, etc, etc ...

      Not a very funny fact, but such things were a "normal" thing in the USSR, when "raw" equipment was supplied to the troops and then refined, improved, and matured during operation ...

      I won’t go far - the Pioneer Strategic Missile Forces mobile complex, which was put into the armed forces as the rawest, but in a few years turned it into a wonderful complex, which then, with the Americans ’“ love ”for it, had to be cut primarily, as well as the BZHRK. ..

      And the first BZHRK arrived completely crude in our division ... On experimental combat duty, all the poop swam in a huge stream, as a result, a year and a half later a completely different complex arrived, and the rest, for other regiments, also came with huge refinements and improvements. ..

      Operation in the troops allows you to quickly identify all the shortcomings and take measures to eliminate them ...
    3. jaroff 18 September 2015 12: 53 New
      • 1
      • 0
      +1
      You "forgot" to indicate about the T50-5P. I will add that most likely the cars from 9 to 11 will be transferred to the residents of Akhtuba after the PSI in Komsomolsk, and this will be called admission to the videoconferencing. All by analogy with the Su-35, in the same way.
      1. ancient 18 September 2015 15: 38 New
        • 4
        • 0
        +4
        Quote: zharyoff
        You "forgot" to indicate about the T50-5P.


        This is a theoretical "zhelalka" .. so far only .. problems!
        The cars of the 2nd stage will not be transferred to the Akhtuba people, but will go through the LCI cycle at the LIIi, because 50-7, which is now revealed at the stand so much .. "news" that .. "just dodge" bully
        1. Aleks28 18 September 2015 15: 43 New
          • -7
          • 0
          -7
          Quote: ancient
          This is a theoretical "zhelalka" .. so far only .. problems!
          The cars of the 2nd stage will not be transferred to the Akhtuba people, but will go through the LCI cycle at the LIIi, because 50-7, which is now revealed at the stand so much .. "news" that .. "just dodge

          How long have you come off the stand? How many times I don’t read your comments, you were everywhere and saw everything .. belay Somehow it already looks more like a bouncer and a pseudo-expert ... You don’t find it? hi
          1. ancient 18 September 2015 16: 43 New
            • 6
            • 0
            +6
            Quote: Allex28
            How long have you come off the stand?


            Yes, not so long ago .. as a 0-ku rolled out, and a 7-ku in its place "stuck", but what? Interested in? wink




            Quote: Allex28
            Somehow it already looks more like a bouncer and a pseudo-expert ... You don’t find it?


            Are you a fan of "congresses" and "fiery speeches"? wink Do not find that you this .. "looks like" on ..... lol



            ? How many I do not read your comments - and who makes you, then? Here I pass your with the speed of sound wassat

            1. Aleks28 18 September 2015 18: 07 New
              • -4
              • 0
              -4
              Quote: ancient
              Here I pass your with the speed of sound

              Smiled .. Mr. braggart wink
              Quote: ancient

              Yes, not so long ago .. as a 0-ku rolled out, and a 7-ku in its place "stuck", but what? Interested in?

              And yesterday they were only an honorary breeder, and before that they were a tank builder ... lol Straight GOD.WHERE !!! laughingAnd in space, by chance, weren't you flying to Gagarin's place? repeat
              1. ancient 18 September 2015 19: 40 New
                • 0
                • 0
                0
                Quote: Allex28
                And yesterday, only an honorary breeder


                So retired tea, I can afford .. "retrain for a related profession" wassat

                Quote: Allex28
                and before that the tank builder


                Now you look like a bird. Which is 3,14 ... and doesn’t even turn red .. a typical "dummy".
                In life, I didn’t climb into tank themes .. only if I ask anyone, it’s good that the tankers site is full.
                So you, sir, 314 ... i.e. BALABOL !!! soldier

                Eh .. well, I directly enjoy when the “fools” themselves ... in .... d ... my .. dunk ... that's why you "smell" always like that, and then .. "wrap around" lol
                1. padded jacket 18 September 2015 20: 05 New
                  • 0
                  • 0
                  0
                  Quote: ancient
                  So retired tea, I can afford .. "retrain for a related profession"

                  I would like to ask, but you are not a user - VAF previously mysteriously missing from the site? He was also a "great" retired pilot smile
                  1. Aaron Zawi 18 September 2015 21: 16 New
                    • 1
                    • 0
                    +1
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Quote: ancient
                    So retired tea, I can afford .. "retrain for a related profession"

                    I would like to ask, but you are not a user - VAF previously mysteriously missing from the site? He was also a "great" retired pilot smile

                    And for what purpose are you interested in? what is it possible that intelligence in Iran cannot find this out for you?
                    1. padded jacket 18 September 2015 21: 56 New
                      • 0
                      • 0
                      0
                      Quote: Aaron Zawi
                      And for what purpose are you interested in? what really intelligence in you cannot find out in Iran?

                      But you’re an adult Aron and you must understand that the intelligence of such a great state as Iran will not be engaged in another "storyteller" lol
                      I was so interested in expanding my personal horizons. smile
                  2. Aleks28 18 September 2015 21: 56 New
                    • -6
                    • 0
                    -6
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    So I would like to ask, but you are not a user - vaf previously mysteriously disappeared from the site? He was also a "great" retired pilot

                    Yes, it’s just some kind of yap, you can’t believe more than one word ..
                    1. padded jacket 18 September 2015 22: 02 New
                      • -3
                      • 0
                      -3
                      Quote: Allex28
                      Yes, it’s just some kind of yap, you can’t believe more than one word ..

                      Well, yes, he’s a “great” pilot, he mastered four types of airplanes, I forgot which and indeed personally put the SU-27 on the “wing” smile
                      1. Aleks28 18 September 2015 22: 06 New
                        • -3
                        • 0
                        -3
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, yes, he’s a “great” pilot, he mastered four types of airplanes, I forgot what and indeed personally the SU-27 put on the “wing

                        He only told me how he raised virgin soil, immediately after the Battle of Kulikovo near Sevastopol ... laughing
                      2. padded jacket 18 September 2015 22: 20 New
                        • -2
                        • 0
                        -2
                        Quote: Allex28
                        He only told me how he raised virgin lands, right after the Battle of Kulikovo near Sevastopol.

                        Well, I haven’t heard about virgin soil, but if it’s vaf and it looks a lot like that, then this is a “cool” special for the Air Force smile Although he has something to do with aviation, maybe he was engaged in an aero club or maybe he “glued” models in the aviation modeling circle, in any case he reads websites on aviation.
                      3. Aleksandr1959 19 September 2015 20: 17 New
                        • 2
                        • 0
                        +2
                        Well, I haven’t heard about the virgin soil, but if it’s vaf and it looks like it, then it’s a “cool” specialist in the Air Force smile Although he has something to do with aviation, maybe he was engaged in an aero club or maybe he glued models in the model airplane club anyway reads aviation sites.

                        And if VAF. Vaf's comments are very similar to comments the ancientbut why such a neglect? Comments those related to aviation are very, very professional.
                        Although he has something to do with aviation, maybe he was engaged in an aero club or maybe he “glued” models in the aviation modeling circle, in any case he reads websites on aviation.

                        Here one feels great professionalism, and not just "attitude towards aviation" and deep knowledge of the subject (aviation technology), about which the user writes.
            2. Aleks28 18 September 2015 21: 35 New
              • -3
              • 0
              -3
              Quote: ancient
              Now you look like a bird. Which is 3,14 ... and doesn’t even turn red .. a typical "dummy".
              In life, I didn’t climb into tank themes .. only if I ask anyone, it’s good that the tankers site is full.
              So you, sir, 314 ... i.e. BALABOL !!!

              I see you are a person without principles (retired) http://www.floomby.ru/s2/VUu7av So, which of us is 3,14. You are idle and don’t poke me. I didn’t participate in the Battle of Kulikovo ... laughing hi
              1. ancient 19 September 2015 19: 30 New
                • 1
                • 0
                +1
                Quote: Allex28
                I see you are a man without principles (retired) http://www.floomby.ru/s2/VUu7av So which one of us is 3,14.You are empty and don’t pry me. I didn’t participate in the Battle of Kulikovo


                And what does your “cheap screenshot” have to do with COWS who want to eat, which may not be known to you wassat (oh yes, you have cows ... they feed on slogans) lol
                And your statement about me and my alleged participation in tank themes?

                Where are you, these trolls are recruited ???? They have already “spoiled the air” with their “perls”, which is simply .. it is not possible to read.

                Or maybe you just have a “2-grade education and ..corridor” available that you can’t even understand what “write” about? fool
        2. jaroff 26 September 2015 13: 22 New
          • 0
          • 0
          0
          Good photo. To the right of the "Golden Eagle", under the cover are the remains of T50-5.
  • ancient 18 September 2015 15: 35 New
    • 6
    • 0
    +6
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    I understand that I want to scream cheers for any reason, but maybe it’s worth a little respect for myself and my colleagues on the forum?


    And why not "scream urya" at the "urya forum" .. it was the Military Review before, but now .. "solid urya" lol
    That you have not yet voiced how many problems get out on the plane itself bully
    Actually ... "branded" ... demons (from the film Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession).
  • Corsair0304 18 September 2015 09: 17 New
    • 2
    • 0
    +2
    Absolutely the right decision. Nothing reveals a car like a break-in in army conditions. It would be interesting to watch the T-50 "dog dump" and say Su-30 / Su-35. Well, work / counteraction to all types of radar. Yes, a lot of things. The main thing is that it doesn’t work out like in the 41st year, when the Yak-1, MiG-3 and LaGG-3 just began to enter our Air Force.
    1. ancient 18 September 2015 15: 41 New
      • 4
      • 0
      +4
      Quote: Corsair0304
      It would be interesting to watch the T-50 "dog dump" and say Su-30 / Su-35.


      What kind of "dog dump" if the plane sits on the restrictions on the "device" and overload? And he "flow" like .... crying
  • Nick888 18 September 2015 09: 19 New
    • 3
    • 0
    +3
    Colonel General Viktor Bondarenko

    Which, saw, Bondarenko? Colonel General Viktor Bondarev
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 September 2015 09: 22 New
    • 5
    • 0
    +5
    I don’t understand anything. Judging by what is now known about the aircraft, he will not go into a series in 2016. And here it’s not that in a series, here it’s already in service in the 2016! It goes already serial PAK FA should start to do in a few months ?!
    In general, something is not right - either Bondarev is not an adult, or the PAK FA is at a much later stage than is commonly believed.
    The worst thing will be if the raw plane is still chased in a series.
    1. ancient 18 September 2015 15: 42 New
      • 5
      • 0
      +5
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      I don’t understand anything.


      Andrei ... there’s nothing to understand here .. another blah blah blah from Bondarev (or from the airspeak from the media).
      "news" is similar to "production of Tu-160M2", "PAK YES" and so on ... according to the "list" soldier
      1. Aleks28 18 September 2015 15: 47 New
        • -3
        • 0
        -3
        Quote: ancient

        Andrei ... there’s nothing to understand here .. another blah blah blah from Bondarev (or from the airspeak from the media).
        "news" is similar to "production of Tu-160M2", "PAK YES" and so on ... according to the "list"

        As I understand it, you personally are familiar with Bondarev, and how are things going in resuming the production of the Tu-160? I am amazed sometimes at the human vanity. There is no limit to the truth ... lol
        1. ancient 18 September 2015 16: 46 New
          • 6
          • 0
          +6
          Quote: Allex28
          I understand that you and Bondarev personally know


          Surprise, but yes ... the truth was he was not Commander-in-Chief then wink wink
          1. Aleks28 18 September 2015 18: 15 New
            • -3
            • 0
            -3
            Quote: ancient

            Surprise, but yes ... the truth was he was not Commander-in-Chief then

            And have you seen Lenin? belay laughing Add the word boaster to the nickname, then at least it will be clear ... lol
  • Gormenghast 18 September 2015 09: 22 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    The epic stretches for a long time; purchase contracts concluded; is there funding? Or is it just Wishlist?
  • ASK505 18 September 2015 09: 30 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    It's time to determine the name of this new car. It’s ridiculous to call the plane “PAK, FAK, MAK DAK, SUPER SUPER JET, MS-21, SMS in the same vein”, having behind them the legendary design bureaus of Sukhoi, Yakovlev, Ilyushin, Tupolev. In German, the PAK is rabble, and in the battle logs during the Second World War the PAK meant Killing in an Air Crash. FAK is not aviation for sure. It’s time to change this nonsense to an exact and clear belonging to a specific design bureau. The name is made decades later and by the blood of the tremendous labor of not a single generation. PAK and FAK are not a symbol in the world market. Interception in consciousness begins with interception by symbols. If the control of consciousness is intercepted, then there will be no independence. These words of the ancient Chinese philosopher Confucius over 2000 years. Our life is arranged in such a way that all our thoughts and decisions are formed around symbols and myths - this is a property of human consciousness. We perceive symbols even when we do not notice them. Heraldry, banknotes, architecture, painting, theater, literature, music and urban planning - all based on symbolism and myths. It shapes our personalities and our society. This is our matrix, our foundation. What you look at is what you turn to.
    1. Nevsky_ZU 18 September 2015 10: 05 New
      • 1
      • 0
      +1
      It is time to determine the name of this new car. It is ridiculous to call the aircraft “PAK, FAK, MAC DAK, SUPER SUPER JET, MC-21, SMS in the same spirit”, having behind them the legendary Sukhoi, Yakovlev, Ilyushin, Tupolev Design Bureau

      All this personifies our epoch. Already the generation that consciously formed in the average USSR has passed. The word "gone", I mean not dead, but became a minority in society, it no longer dominates in all spheres of the life of society and the state. From here and such names. It's not about banal 25's, but maybe just about 35-40's ... After all, in 1991, the change was not children in kindergartens, but adult men and women, who of course did not see Stalin alive, not even Lenin. What prevents Pogosyan from hitting his fist and starting the process of a normal hierarchy in the names of the Sukhoi Design Bureau? Maybe consumer thinking? In his years ... and who is to blame? Paddy Khrushchev ... from there comes a change of consciousness in the perception of the concept of the essence of communism.
      P.S. It is terrible to think about what will happen when a generation that does not live in the USSR dominates at all, for the time being they will do their jobs and roles in society, that the children of Khrushchev and Brezhnev “wrote” But soon they will start making managerial decisions somewhere after the summer age 35, more and more often.
      1. ASK505 18 September 2015 16: 17 New
        • 1
        • 0
        +1
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        What prevents Pogosyan from banging his fist and starting the normal hierarchy process in the names of Sukhoi Design Bureau?


        I agree. As far as I know, Poghosyan has already been caught up. But why are these stupid names of aircraft not noticed by the designers of the design bureau and the country's leadership, and the same Rogozin? Have they really seized control of consciousness?
  • kolkulon 18 September 2015 09: 34 New
    • 3
    • 0
    +3
    What is everyone dissatisfied with? It is better to identify all the shortcomings in the prototypes. Bring to mind. Let not as fast as we would like. In order not to listen to taunts from well-wishers then, due to the fact that it crashed on the first flight. Haste is needed only when catching fleas.
  • prorab_ak 18 September 2015 09: 43 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    Ohhhh ... again these fables, 5 PROTOTYPES just flies, and they will deliver the aircraft to the BUILDING units in less than a year already, yeah fellow
    Consider the 35th one as well, I didn’t enter fully into combat units, either in Lipetsk or in Dzemgi (consider that the Prizavodskoy airfield = treat sores), but here ... they’re about to send them to the exercises.
    Our commanders apparently forgotten even such a simple truth. "Linden should be linden, not oak"
    1. ancient 18 September 2015 15: 45 New
      • 2
      • 0
      +2
      Quote: prorab_ak
      Ohhhh ... again these fables, 5 PROTOTYPES just flies, and they will deliver the aircraft to the BUILDING units in less than a year already, yeah


      Disappointing .. at the moment only flies ... 2 (!!!) bully

      Write the rest correctly, but not "prizavodskaya", va .. "sub-fence"!
  • FID
    FID 18 September 2015 09: 44 New
    • 6
    • 0
    +6
    Who drags our generals by the tongue? Well, let the State Property Committee end, sign the acceptance certificate by the customer, then, we can talk about the delivery to the troops ... Why run ahead of the engine! I still have a full-time, I emphasize - full-time, motor, you see, it will start again: this is a prototype in the army, new engines will come soon ... But these are new tests, with new engines you need to write new “Instructions ...”. Is it necessary to lick your ass, why should you talk with your tongue before the end of the test, this is not a good sign, not good ...
    1. NEXUS 18 September 2015 12: 27 New
      • 4
      • 0
      +4
      Good afternoon, Sergey Ivanovich hi Glad to see you in good health wink
      Quote: SSI
      Who drags our generals by the tongue?

      So I do not understand.
      Quote: SSI
      I still have a full-time, I emphasize - full-time, motor, you see, it will start again: this is a prototype in the troops, new motors will come soon ...

      Apparently, the generals are in a hurry, not thinking that it’s impossible to take it out according to the principle ... they would have to report, and the technicians, testers, and designers will tear up the navel for their stars.
      Best regards hi
      1. FID
        FID 18 September 2015 12: 35 New
        • 2
        • 0
        +2
        Hello Andrey! Apparently yes, but again - this is a bad omen, a bad one ...
        1. NEXUS 18 September 2015 12: 42 New
          • 3
          • 0
          +3
          Quote: SSI
          Hello Andrey! Apparently yes, but again - this is a bad omen, a bad one ...

          For such cries of our generals, the pilots then pay with their lives, and the country with money. It would not hurt a couple of such screamers to crack their neck well so that a star or two would fly away, then this clucking would stop ...
      2. ancient 18 September 2015 15: 51 New
        • 4
        • 0
        +4
        Quote: NEXUS
        Generals seem to be in a hurry


        Andrey .. "in a hurry" you need the same ... "with your head" ... even cats in a hurry are not born wink
    2. ancient 18 September 2015 15: 50 New
      • 5
      • 0
      +5
      Quote: SSI
      Who drags our generals by the tongue?


      Seryozha .. I am also amazed .... or there is nothing to "support" "urea-patriotic mood" and .. "rating" lol
      So the elections "showed" that everything is fine with the administration in power .. as much as necessary, they will count as much .. who needs bully
      In addition to the full-time motor, there is still no regular aircraft itself, and there will be ... underline there WILL BE only a prototype of the second stage, which differs from the first prototypes and at which the GKI stages will be carried out, including the LCI and again will be tested by the GLITSevsky.

      So .. I'm shocked by such .. "statements" request
      1. NEXUS 18 September 2015 15: 54 New
        • 3
        • 0
        +3
        Quote: ancient
        So .. I'm shocked by such .. "statements"

        They haven’t harnessed it yet, but already they are going. From such news, by God, I want to remember the punishment of tearing off the tongue of these balabolov. And the flyers with designers spend their nights and nights at factories and airfields, so that these brainstorms meet their dates. Ugh, trepaki.
      2. FID
        FID 18 September 2015 17: 50 New
        • 3
        • 0
        +3
        Quote: ancient
        which differs from the first prototypes and at which the GKI stages will be carried out, including the LCI and will again be tested by the GLITSevsky ones.

        In full or combined? Yes, what are you cons like rooks flying in spring? Not good, not good ...
        1. ancient 18 September 2015 19: 43 New
          • 4
          • 0
          +4
          Quote: SSI
          In full or combined?


          Seryozha, most likely "combined" will be!

          "Admirers" tea ... where did they come from ..... like flies on ..... or honey? lol
          1. Aleksandr1959 19 September 2015 15: 29 New
            • 2
            • 0
            +2
            Back to the joint ICG again? Stage "A" and stage "B"?
            And take cons as a sign of your professionalism and your rejection of militant incompetence. wassat
            But your “admirers” ... suggestive of a certain contingent of users wassat
            My colleagues at work very positively took "expressions from the ancient": “victim of EG”, “victim of military department”, “airspeed from the media”... many began to use them successfully wassat
  • Sheikh 18 September 2015 09: 57 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    So what are they going to supply to the troops?


    I take off my hat before reconnaissance of a friendly state, I ask you to write more and more often. yes
    1. Aaron Zawi 18 September 2015 10: 09 New
      • 2
      • 0
      +2
      Quote: Sheikh
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      So what are they going to supply to the troops?


      I take off my hat before reconnaissance of a friendly state, I ask you to write more and more often. yes

      There are no secrets here.
      1. rotmistr60 18 September 2015 12: 23 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        That's just the main thing to be kept secret, and what they write in open sources still requires verification. Do you really think that they will give full information on the new plane? Or maybe this is customary in Israel? The state is obliged to protect its secrets, especially in matters of defense.
        1. Aaron Zawi 18 September 2015 12: 29 New
          • 2
          • 0
          +2
          Quote: rotmistr60
          That's just the main thing to be kept secret, and what they write in open sources still requires verification. Do you really think that they will give full information on the new plane? Or maybe this is customary in Israel? The state is obliged to protect its secrets, especially in matters of defense.

          Secret technologies and possibly part of the most promising performance characteristics, and the production stages have no secrecy. See how much information on F-35, including the most severe criticism. There is no tragedy in this.
          1. rotmistr60 18 September 2015 12: 47 New
            • 0
            • 0
            0
            I write that the open press about a new and promising technique does not always give complete information, and sometimes, for certain reasons, is obviously distorted.
  • 31rus 18 September 2015 09: 59 New
    • 2
    • 0
    +2
    What kind of debate, dear, they will take a few pieces into the troops and work out, and the fine-tuning will go on its own, all military equipment will go through such a stage, the military pilots will fly to tell you what is wrong and where, they will make corrections right away and the next aircraft will already be modified , this is life and it will not work otherwise