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The deputy head of "Ukroboronprom": American "Javelins" - the cine myth

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In an interview with UNIAN, Sergei Pinkas - First Deputy Director General of the Ukroboronprom state concern, uniting the main defense enterprises of Ukraine, spoke about the supply of weapons to the ATO area, the integration of the Ukrainian defense industry into NATO and the links between the Porsche, Mercedes, Audi brands and the Karpaty Ivano-Frankivsk plant .


The deputy head of "Ukroboronprom": American "Javelins" - the cine myth

Pinkas: “Ukroboronprom” in the form in which it is today, probably will not last long / focus.ua

At the beginning of the year, the concern announced more than 60 contests for directors of subsidiaries. Almost half of them have already ended. How do you evaluate the results of this process?

There is some disappointment. Yes, indeed, some of the contests have already ended, they appointed a director and the question was closed. But, honestly, I expected that a stream of young people would come to us. As a result, we got in most cases, managers of pre-retirement age. At the same time, we acted completely non-standard. They took the decision of the Cabinet of Ministers as a basis and simplified the selection conditions as much as possible. Take at least the column in the questionnaire - a specialized higher education "tank building". Where in Ukraine can now prepare for this profile? Only a person who was educated during the Soviet era can fall under this criterion. We have removed those moments for which you can catch on. They left it simply - higher education, managerial experience, information about successful work.

Did you check the information that the applicants reported?


Of course. We have rechecked all the information, including managerial success. After all, it was necessary to understand whether a person is suitable for us or not. It was after checking that many candidates were refused. This is the negative side.

But there is a positive. There were a certain number of candidates who, as it were, were not yet ready to become leaders, but they could complement some kind of team. We decided to take such candidates for internship in the concern or on certain enterprises.

But there were still some bureaucratic problems that impede the normal conduct of the competition.

What are these problems?


For example, we have an enterprise. As a position of director of the company may be vacant? The head left, and we as a management body should appoint a temporary person to this vacant position. By law, we must appoint a competition within 10 days from the time of the vacancy. We must contact the Cabinet of Ministers to allow us to appoint an acting director of the company. But who will lead before the government meeting? “Ukroboronprom” is deprived of such a right, the Cabinet of Ministers has not yet made a decision. And it comes to the point of absurdity: in a strategic enterprise, a dismissed director must appoint an acting officer by his own order.

What are you doing to address this issue?


We appealed to the National Security and Defense Council - the body that takes care of the defense industry to resolve this bureaucratic mistake.

What are the challenges facing new leaders?


Attention is paid to the financial performance of the company - profitability, profitability, financial plans for the next period. The second task is to fulfill the defense order. The third point is the preservation of the collective, the payment of salaries and the payment of taxes.

Additionally, we have a KPI in the contract. Monthly and annual CRIs are approved by the general director. For example, if for one plant to produce 2 machines is already a feat, then for another 150 armored personnel carriers are very few. Therefore, for each of the directors, separate tasks are formed by which it will be possible to determine their success by lowering the subjective assessment of management.

There was information that the Kharkov plant them. Malysheva and the Lviv Armored Director were suspended for disrupting defense order schedules. What is the situation now?


At Lviv armored, we have two prototypes of the Patrol. They have already been transferred to the troops and, by the way, they drove half of Ukraine to the test site on their own. There are certain wishes of the customer - the Ministry of Defense for some components. For example, another instrument panel than the one that was originally laid in the project documentation. All technical wishes of the customer are refined by amending the technical documentation and refined during the tests. The plant is already ready for mass production - we could start its production right now. But to begin production, if there is no full coordination with the army, does not make sense.

There are predictions when the tests will end?


They started a month ago. According to preliminary forecasts, we should go to October - early November.

And what is the situation with Oplot? At the beginning of the year, the concern management announced an optimistic production plan 40 tanks in year…


I will not say that everything is cloudless and easy with the production of the “Oplotov”. All very difficult. On the other hand, a year ago they were not produced at all. Today we already have some kind of series.

How much is this?


I do not think that it will be entirely correct to voice the figure, because there are “strongholds” both in the defense order and in a number of export contracts. I can say that personnel appointments in the armored plant to them. Malysheva say that there was not all good. Now we have purchased metal for a very large batch of tanks. The situation with the supply of components has improved. In short, the pace may not be as we would like, but let's live to the end of the year, and we will give official information.

How with the listed problems is the export contract with Thailand fulfilled?


To date, the boundary point under the contract with Thailand for the supply of five units we have completed. The next point is December 31.

“STUGNA” IS BETTER “JAVELINA”

Since we have already started talking about exports: in May, the president set the task for the leadership of Ukroboronprom to bring Ukraine into the TOP-5 of the largest exporters in the next few years weapons. Considering that our main reserve is the equipment of the Soviet times, the question arises: how can we force out our European partners to become leaders?


Weapons are only one part of defense products. For example, AN planes. How is a military pattern different from a civilian? Only internal characteristics. How many aircraft have Antonov produced in recent years? Yes, practically there were none! And if we say in which sectors we can compete, then this, of course, - aviation. We have retained a virtually completely closed production cycle. Calculating market niche volumes is very difficult today. For various reasons, the enterprise itself did not want to develop, did not enter into any relations with Western enterprises and, accordingly, there were no orders placed there.

And what about other areas of the Ukrainian defense industry?


Take the armored sphere. Armored vehicle "Watch". It is priced at almost 4 times cheaper than any American or European counterpart.

What is the estimated price of "Watch"?


I can not name the price, because it varies depending on the contract. But I can say that the closest competitor to us is in the area of ​​350 thousand euros. Again, we are playing into the hands of the fact that the product is hryvnia, and is sold in currency.

Farther. BTR-3 and BTR-4. This is a modern technology, and even the head of the National Security and Defense Council after examining it noted that we have nothing better than this technology. The same tanks "Oplot". Precision weapons - missiles "Stugna", "Corsair", "Combat". For technical specifications, they bypass even the Javelins, but at the same time at a price of 10-15 is cheaper.

Nevertheless, everyone in Ukraine is waiting for the Javelins ...

You know, this is from the category of movies or rumors. Just a year ago, the "Stugny" was not, it was not made. When we passed several missiles for testing and the experts tested them, they said that it was just super and asked if it was possible to increase their production. We answered - of course, you can. The design office "Luch" maximally accelerates their production.

What else can get on the export list?


There are completely unexpected positions, for example, cars. Porsche, Mercedes, Audi –good cars? But an electrician for these brands is produced at our Karpaty plant in Ivano-Frankivsk. They make the whole package of electricity distribution and transfer to foreign colleagues. I ask the director of the plant a question - will you make a watch for “Patrol”? No, he says. And it turned out that when they developed technical documentation, they were not included.

Next, the optical moments. We have groundwork for combat modules in terms of both optics and firepower. Battle module "Flurry." You can take any BMP / MTLB and install this module there. And at the price of "Flurry" is much cheaper than any Western counterpart. True, he is now being finalized.

We are talking not only about the products of "Ukroboronprom". Weapons that are produced domestically are sold abroad through our special exporters. And on this we also earn. Even helping to develop enterprises adjacent to us, we have the opportunity to develop the entire concern.

Also changed the philosophy in the approach to export. Previously, it was possible to take any tank, no matter in what condition, quietly sell and earn something. Now we can provide services for the modernization of technology. There are countries that cannot afford new equipment, and they will buy equipment that is written off and taken out of service, for example, from countries from Eastern Europe that have entered the European Union.

The drones, which are now being developed at our enterprises, are much cheaper than their Western counterparts, and they will be in demand for 100%.

But another question is the needs of the domestic market and the situation in the country. Everything that will be produced in the next few years will remain in the country for the most part.

One of the reasons for the need to preserve exports, even in wartime, was the importance of competition in foreign markets with Russia ...

Conquer markets can be due to what? The first option is due to the most modern production facilities. I must admit that we do not have them now and will not appear in the near future. The second is due to the conjuncture that is taking shape in the market. So we came up with something unique like “Stugna”. I am sure that this niche from us will not go anywhere. And the third is to take advantage of a rifle. Yes, Russia is now under sanctions, and we understand that in our main markets we are competing with them. If you take, for example, the airline industry. It is also developed in Russia, but given the fact that Russia is under sanctions, a number of countries are ready to bring aircraft technology to Ukraine. There is an Aviakon factory in Konotop that repairs helicopters. Almost all enterprises in Eastern Europe conclude a contract with this plant, and do not go to Russia. This is their principal position, and the plant at the expense of this has super-loads and is constantly expanding.

Let's return to one "export point". This is the BTR-4, with which there was a scandal regarding the supply of defective vehicles to Iraq. How did this situation affect the interest of foreign partners in the Ukrainian technology?


As for the Iraqi contract. Unfortunately, we have a real picture - the equipment is set and does not go. What happened now - our equipment was tested in military operations in the east of Ukraine. It may look cynical, but from a competition point it is very important.

The second point is the transition to NATO standards. Our main businesses have received ISO 9001 quality certificates, which gives us the opportunity to be represented in foreign markets.

Another question about the quality of the BTR-4. If you look at how he is going to the Kharkov armored plant, it looks like an anthill. There are a very large number of people in a very small area. We are now resolving the issue of providing new production facilities.

With the increase in production of these armored vehicles, another problem arose. The body for it is produced in one private plant. When there were a small number of armored personnel carriers, there were no questions. They were brought, sold. We estimate that the cost of buildings with their own production will be less in 2,5. We are experimentally at several plants put the stocks and collect them from the metal, which passed all the tests. This makes it possible to save on cost and provide a greater quantity.

NATO RELATIONS

Regarding the integration of Ukraine into NATO. Previously, the concern's management stated that this process will take three years. How will this affect the structure of Ukroboronprom, the military-industrial complex and the Ukrainian army as a whole?


We can not consider "Ukroboronprom" in isolation from the state. Today, the vector of development of Ukraine is clearly marked - the European Union. Also, we have removed restrictions on membership in any alliance. NATO is a prospect for us. We really like the example of Sweden - they are not members of NATO, but they all have been brought under NATO standards. If we look globally at our capabilities in this cooperation, then in the year 2014 “Ukroboronprom” was mainly engaged in the repair of equipment. In 2015, the emphasis is already shifted towards the modernization and new technology. But it is necessary for the state to clearly form the program of our development. We have a lot of armored vehicles today - BTR-70, BTR-80, BTR-3, BTR-4, plus Dozor, MTLB, BMP.

But half of the named technology is outdated both physically and morally ...

If at the state level it is decided that the army is switching, for example, to the BTR-4 format, then the rest of the equipment can be sold or improved. After all, the armored personnel carrier must be compatible with NATO by means of communications, by combat power, to support the caliber of NATO. The same moments with thermal imagers, protection of the military.

For example, there is a tank T-72. In Poland, it is the NATO standard, in Ukraine it is not. The only difference is the caliber of the gun. If you take everything else - these are two identical tanks. But today we must honestly say that we have quite large remnants of Soviet ammunition in our warehouses. It would be wrong to give them up. On the other hand, what will be simpler: make 300 tanks or order 300 trunks?

At the beginning of the year, the concern's management reported that Ukraine would establish its own production of artillery barrels ...


There is already a mortar 120-mm, which is now being tested. He was made at the factory "Mayak". In today's conditions, large-caliber guns cannot be produced. We simply do not have such technological capabilities. There is one factory, we made a system order and the first batch has already arrived.

What is this factory? He is not part of the concern?


This is a private factory. He, by the way, put the barrel on the 120-mm mortar and received high marks after testing by the military.

This company can provide NATO trunks for the same T-72?


Yes, no problem. We have a choice: either invest some millions of dollars in a new plant, or give an order to a private company. Now we are at the stage of forming the catalog of the necessary products. That is, any private trader can take a catalog and offer the production of specific items. And due to this we will be able to move forward.

Do you work with such enterprises only in the form of a private partnership, or is there a prospect of their involvement in the group?

It makes no sense. A private trader can have several types of employment. Maybe, for example, to sell wheat, or to store goods, in parallel to make trunks. This is his problem, not ours. Attracting private owners to the structure of the state is - perhaps, nationalization. On the other hand, even with minimal profitability, a private trader will understand that he has a stable package of orders from the state.

Continuing the theme of NATO. At the beginning of the year, Ukroboronprom received access to the NATO logistics catalog for the implementation of an import substitution program. What is the result of this?


Access to the catalog was given to a number of our enterprises as an experiment. For example, there is a certain node that was previously produced in Russia. We know for sure that it is not produced in Ukraine, and where it is produced in the world is unknown. And in this directory, you must enter the item number and get a list of all manufacturers. We are actively working on the import substitution program, it is executed on more than 30%.

Is this practically the end of 2014 of the year?


This is a slightly approximate figure. For example, seven months of joint work of the enterprises “Lutsk Motor” and “Motor Sich” allowed to start the production of 11 parts. Is it a lot or a little? If in an aviation engine there are more than 3 thousands of nomenclature units, then 11 on the general background is some thousandths of a percent. We have a growth dynamics. Globally, we still depend on products that are not produced in Ukraine. We are following the path of import substitution - what was produced in Russia, is now being done for us, for example, in Poland.

PRODUCTION PLANS

This year, the Antonov concern was transferred under the control of Ukroboronprom. Are there any other defense companies that can join the concern?


If we look at the concept of an effective owner, then the structure of the state was the Ministry of Industrial Policy, which was completely ineffective from the point of view of management. The Ministry of Economic Development, too, was not always able to reach the enterprise for objective reasons. Our concern was able to build its work systemically enough. I'm not saying that everything is so cool, we have problems. But in our person, the state sees a more effective owner than other structures. In addition, the transfer of a number of enterprises to us was connected not only with the concept of efficiency, it is also logical from the point of view of production. For example, the aviation industry was divided into several parts. Antonov left behind the Ministry of Economic Development, which, in turn, depends on our design institutes. We were given companies that are engaged in servicing engines for Antonov. And it turned out that without combining the possibility of somewhere to move there.

How implemented is the state defense order program for 2015 year?


We are moving exactly on the charts. From the point of view of new technology and modernized, this is less than 50%, because the contracts were concluded in March-May and the deadline for their execution is October-November.

If we talk about repair work, then, for example, on rocket and artillery weapons, all contracts have already been completed ahead of schedule. There are problems with armored vehicles, but this is connected not with the work of Ukroboronprom, but with components. There are no system problems with the implementation of the repair schedule. Almost weekly the process is monitored by all services - from the prosecutor's office to the presidential administration.

What is the situation with plans for 2016 year and the further development of the concern?

Today we are going the same way as last year. We provide our potential opportunities to all customers. But unlike last year, within a few months we will receive a program for the development of the military-industrial complex, weapons and military equipment, which will simplify our task. It will be clearly stated where we are going. Today we have a number of plants that repair machinery, but they could be converted to modernize. We are not doing this, because we do not understand whether the same BTR-70 will be in demand by the army tomorrow.

Concern in the form in which it is today, probably will not last long. We draw the perspective of clusters for ourselves. We want to follow the path of uniting specialized enterprises into several conditional "Ukroboronpromov", for example, aviation, armored and so on. Cooperation will be organized between them in order to move in one direction.
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  1. kil 31
    kil 31 18 September 2015 14: 18 New
    +30
    They left it simple - higher education, managerial experience, information about successful work. That's right, how many simple workers work with HE. We must give them the positions of defense directors. An economist, a lawyer who did not work by profession, will very well understand the defense industry. Stunned, cashiers in chain stores will explain how to build tanks.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 18 September 2015 14: 28 New
      +9
      They are sick! The brain rots! And they want to operate their own diseased brain with their own crooked hands!
      Also:
      "Give someone money, at least for an operation, and we will do it ourselves. We can!"
      Oligahren!
    2. SteelRatTV
      SteelRatTV 18 September 2015 14: 30 New
      +5
      Chesslovo, rzhach! laughing We even in the worst of times didn’t get to this! I’m silent about the "Prince of Tankogradsky" - Malyshev (do not be lazy - look on the Internet for information about the "Stalinist nominee").
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 18 September 2015 16: 10 New
        +4
        Honestly, at first I wanted to make a shit about "with such a surname you won’t stay without a bread position," but I thought that maybe I was wrong and I should judge a person by his deeds, especially since my solid appearance and smart speeches confused me .. .
        STEELRAT, you’re right, we don’t have to worry about the fate of Ukrainian defense. Actually.
    3. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 18 September 2015 14: 31 New
      +10
      Ah Ukraine ..... Such power is asked ... whether ....! Last year’s video ....
    4. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 18 September 2015 14: 34 New
      +14
      I quote Mr. Sergey Pinkas:

      But, honestly, I expected that a stream of young people would come to us. As a result, we got in most cases, managers of pre-retirement age. At the same time, we acted completely non-standard. They took as a basis the decision of the Cabinet of Ministers and maximally simplified the selection conditions. Take at least the column in the questionnaire - a specialized higher education "tank building". Where in Ukraine can now prepare for this profile? Only a person who was educated during the Soviet era can fall under this criterion.


      A man seems to be educated, judging by the interview, and he seems to be not serving a place, but is even interested in some kind of development of the military-industrial complex ... But, he does not see obvious and simple things ... How can a high-tech product be produced in this country ?!
      Let Mr. Pinkas show me in this photo a future engineer or designer, but at the very least a turner !? Welcome to the world of farmers and embroidery! Has he looked into his children's textbook for a long time? There are stories and poems, only about wheat, panakh and Cossacks .... The village was defeated by the Russian-speaking city hi
      1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uncle VasyaSayapin 18 September 2015 16: 40 New
        +2
        You waited for him to say: The introduction of the village mother in the education system and the bright image of the Ukrainian Ukrainian citizen as an ideal citizen, as well as the breakdown of cooperation with the Russian Federation and European integration, degrade the level of training of Ukrainian engineers. Yes, then shoot him somewhere in the dark alley.
    5. marlin1203
      marlin1203 18 September 2015 14: 59 New
      +6
      In general, “Our players played well! There were only three things missing: speed, technique and stamina!” laughing
    6. Finches
      Finches 18 September 2015 15: 04 New
      +3
      In short, the entire interview with the deputy head of Ukroboronprom can be formulated with one answer: "We are in the ass!" laughing
      1. boris-1230
        boris-1230 18 September 2015 23: 27 New
        +1
        In short, the entire interview with the deputy head of Ukroboronprom can be formulated with one answer: "We are in the ass!"

        More like this: "The work has been done a lot, but this will not go further!" hi
    7. siberalt
      siberalt 18 September 2015 18: 04 New
      +4
      40 "strongholds" per year? Offend. This amount is not enough even for amateur “hunting” for militias. We'll have to license it as a rare "game", but again it’s the turn of the headstock. You generate corruption in LDNR, gentlemen, manufacturers? Fear God!belay
    8. papas-57
      papas-57 18 September 2015 19: 24 New
      +1
      '' How can a post of director of an enterprise be vacant? The leader is gone. '' I do not believe, I do not believe! This cannot be! Neither in Ukraine nor in Russia. What would the director himself leave the bread place on his own initiative? This does not happen!
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    10. Alexdark
      Alexdark 18 September 2015 20: 59 New
      0
      All these things were invented and invented by people with a “head” and not with “hands”.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 18 September 2015 21: 36 New
        +3
        In Russia, too, things are not going smoothly - just take the terrible situation in electronics ... Nevertheless, Russia in the arms market is a quantity. If only because Cornet in business does not differ from Cornet on paper. And besides, I proudly declare that Armata is a completely domestic platform ... But in Khlamin, import substitution is considered to be a victory - on the contrary, to get rid of Russian components at all costs, and the trash can not shun even Polish rubbish. Although Poland in military matters is considered even weaker than the Khlamyna.
    11. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 19 September 2015 02: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Kil 31
      An economist, a lawyer who did not work by profession, will very well understand the defense industry. Stunned, cashiers in chain stores will explain how to build tanks.

      YES! Ukraine can’t tear itself away from Russia. Everywhere they use our experience. They even step on the same rake. We have a Moscow stool, a health care economist, a nuclear engineer, a motorist, an economics sociologist, etc. according to the list. All of this we have already passed, are passing through. Of course, we are trying to get rid of, but something else remains. And they still have a childhood period, right by V.I. Lenin. Nevertheless, in Ukraine everyone is waiting for the “Javelins” ... so Poroshenko said. Or maybe he’d already changed his mind?
    12. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 September 2015 10: 20 New
      0
      To sell products, look for markets and explore markets for the future, too, must be able to.
  2. aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 18 September 2015 14: 18 New
    +8
    ..... Yes-ah-ah-!!!! .... du..ak richer with a thought .... And so they .... Smiled: ".... by the way, put the trunk ( belay ) on a 120-mm mortar and was praised ... "..... laughing ..... They have an economy in a steep bend ... But they are all in dreams !!!! ..... And yet .... To create advanced weapons - you must have traditions and ohhh very big developments ... This is about the ATGM "Stugna" and others .... hi
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 18 September 2015 16: 08 New
      +13
      Quote: aleks 62 next
      put the barrel () on the 120-mm mortar and was praised ..

      Either I, or something else, but HOW to put the 72 mm barrel on the T-120 and use NATO standards shells? The T-72 has separate loading from the AZ, the tanks of the NATO countries use a unitary projectile that cannot be placed in the AZ T-72 without changing the design of the tank. It seems that this Pinch is raving or completely off topic.
      On the Polish RT-91 tank there is a Slovak cannon, but this is an upgrade of our 2A46M.
      Enchanting idiocy.
    2. your1970
      your1970 18 September 2015 19: 57 New
      +1
      Well, in principle, I can even make a barrel on an 120 mm mortar from a pipe and grinder suitable for caliber, sorry I forgot to weld (to brew the bottom) yes
      If he even spoke about a rifled barrel of such a caliber ...
      sadness for the APU ... not to see them new technology ... good
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 18 September 2015 21: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: your1970
        the barrel on the 120 mm mortar even I can make from a suitable caliber pipe and grinder

        The question is not this, but that Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Romanians (NATO members without exception) still have weapons of the caliber of the Warsaw Pact organization (in the end, the Russian / Soviet standard). And even if you turn inside out, you can’t put a unitary shell into our tank gun. It’s just nonsense when an official of such a level (working in the defense industry!) Makes a complete heresy, ridiculous even for me, which has nothing to do with the army.
        This is not to ride on the Maidan - to transfer the army completely to a different standard of weapons, it takes a lot of money. As it was Svidomo Khokhlyad, and remained, despite the career growth.
        1. your1970
          your1970 19 September 2015 13: 20 New
          0
          So I about the same production, then actually there isn’t, and he presents as success the manufacture of what can be done in artisanal conditions
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 September 2015 14: 20 New
    +4
    So here it is, the power of the dill industry. Secret at Ukroboronprom. Let your delirium turn into a hail.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 18 September 2015 17: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So here it is, the power of the dill industry. Secret at Ukroboronprom. Let your delirium turn into a hail.


      Well, does not shoot shafts and does not drive a steam train without rails. Pipes, you just don't know. fool In the former “independent” and drähn-shafting, the locomotives also shoot at mountains and valleys without rails rushing into the bright Bandera past and something else in the nest, but I won’t say a big, big secret. fellow Here it is such a miraculous-udo-country Dill. Envy. bully
  4. core
    core 18 September 2015 14: 23 New
    +5
    and the man is sober.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 18 September 2015 16: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: core
      and the man is sober.

      Yeah, when he talks about abstract things, and not about weapons systems.
  5. kolkulon
    kolkulon 18 September 2015 14: 29 New
    +5
    About the strongholds, it’s famously moved out))). He’s only to take part with arrows. He knows how to brainwash.
  6. Altona
    Altona 18 September 2015 14: 33 New
    0
    He seems to be singing softly, but it’s mainly about some organizational measures and the need for some injections ... Dreaming is not harmful, and the quality of Ukrainian technology is poor, he himself admits it, he has to “finish on file” practically the entire line of basic armaments -and a tank, and an armored car, and an armored personnel carrier (BMP), and some sort of barrels (guns, combat modules) in finalization ... Plans for the bulk ...
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 18 September 2015 14: 37 New
    +7
    The result of this in Ukraine .... bully
  8. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 18 September 2015 14: 38 New
    0
    Blah blah blah. Trending on abstract topics.
  9. V.ic
    V.ic 18 September 2015 14: 42 New
    +9
    There is an Aviakon plant in Konotop that repairs helicopters.

    Two sides of the Mi-24 from my squadron in 1987 underwent repairs there. On one of them, when switching to the internal communication system "SPU", the commander stopped hearing the operator. Replacing the unit did not work. I look at the diagram: there should be a jumper shunting the upper resistor of the voltage divider to transmit the full signal. I call: tester - the resistance value is fixed, which is close to the nominal value indicated in the circuit. Conclusion: no jumper. The block is flooded. I had to disassemble the SR and solder the shunt to the supply terminals. The fault has been fixed. Overdone / x / okhlo-mona during the repair.
    1. 9lvariag
      9lvariag 20 September 2015 01: 32 New
      0
      My boss told how the specialists from the Lviv plant were slaughtered in TU-22M, there were more tantalum condors on the aft turret. This is the type to increase the dough for bonuses!
      So here. when switching from APU to turbojet engines. a surge of + 39V was created. And all the Condors burned, in the sight and body of the sight of the rear turret. And on the ground - techies for fucking change them in blocks. This has not yet called Western gouging into place and did not smash them to the fullest for their labors.
  10. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 18 September 2015 14: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: core
    and the man is sober.

    he simply pisses in panic so as not to say too much about the knee-rack ... and KhTZ has already died for a long time exactly how the plant-enterprise .... in the early 2000s, they delivered to Gazprom a complex for opening and digging the pipe --- he participated in tests ---- he drove a total of 20km and died permanently - hydraulics used Germany and ukrovsky metal everything that bore the load burst. cracked, etc. didn’t even take
  11. KGB WATCH YOU
    KGB WATCH YOU 18 September 2015 14: 47 New
    +13
    I almost fell off a chair laughing

    “For example, there is a T-72 tank. In Poland it is of the NATO standard, in Ukraine it is not. The only difference is the caliber of the gun. ”
    The Poles are not up to date, however, like the Czechs and Slovaks, the Bulgarians that their NATO T-72s are armed with the same Soviet 125 mm gun or its Slovak modification 2A46MS.

    And this is the deputy director of Ukroboronprom ...
  12. nivander
    nivander 18 September 2015 14: 50 New
    +11
    Take at least the column in the questionnaire - a specialized higher education “tank building”. Where in Ukraine can they prepare according to this profile now? Only a person who received education in Soviet times can fall under this criterion. We removed those moments that you can catch on. They left it simple - higher education, managerial experience, information about successful work.

    I managed to sell 3 dozen eggs, you can arrange the production of tanks. Bravo !!!!
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 18 September 2015 16: 29 New
      +2
      I don’t remember something. Something in the diploma would have something in the profile except the main one, mechanical engineer, electrical engineer
      Maybe someone is worth it? At least for me. And by narrow specialization I have an insert in the diploma.
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 18 September 2015 18: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: nivasander
      Take at least the column in the questionnaire - a specialized higher education “tank building”. Where in Ukraine can they prepare for such a profile now?

      I’m not a defender of Ukraine, but answer me, where in Russia do you train engineers for specialized education in tank construction? In Russia there are no specialized Universities (Universities) in tank building, and there are no faculties. There are autotractor faculties where it is quite possible to have the departments "Tank Building" or "Tanks". But they don’t design specific tanks, they only teach how to design modern tanks. But it seems to me that in modern Russia these departments are no longer there either.
      But, each “tank” plant has its own design bureau, where tanks are designed and new ideas are born. New frames grow from them from scratch, the main thing that is required is knowledge of the design of automotive equipment.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 19 September 2015 01: 33 New
        +1
        You are right! There were no such institutes on a citizen. Engineers on this topic, but not designers, were trained at Omsk and Kiev tank engineering schools. Specifically, tank engineers were trained at the Armored Academy at the Faculty of Engineering, for military industry, (Military acceptance, test sites. ) The graduates of this academy were famous designers Kotin.Zh.Ya; Kartsev.L.N.
  13. Mercenary
    Mercenary 18 September 2015 14: 54 New
    +3
    Sad Fiction. I wonder what our rulers think? Not only do Russia get confused, they also undermine confidence in the quality of Soviet weapons with their cheapnesses. And what is the FSB thinking about (the super-duper Stung missile).
    It’s clear that we don’t need a poor neighbor, but in my opinion it’s time to fasten a short leash and restrain the militaristic drive of ukrov a little. There will be enough economic leverage.
    1. avdkrd
      avdkrd 18 September 2015 15: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Mercenary
      Sad Fiction. I wonder what our rulers think? Not only do Russia get confused, they also undermine confidence in the quality of Soviet weapons with their cheapnesses. And what is the FSB thinking about (the super-duper Stung missile).
      It’s clear that we don’t need a poor neighbor, but in my opinion it’s time to fasten a short leash and restrain the militaristic drive of ukrov a little. There will be enough economic leverage.

      I see no reason for sadness. It is very pleasing that in the country of victorious fascism such "valuable" leaders occupy key places. Man is only superficially familiar with the topic, grabbed loud phrases, but he does not own the question at all. Pearl about the "NATO guns" on the Polish t-72 is only an indicator of the main direction of movement. With such shots, urine will soon cease its agony and will finally turn from state to territory ....
  14. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 18 September 2015 14: 56 New
    +3
    The projector is still the same! So they will allow them to develop the American defense industry, and build aircraft An!
  15. MolGro
    MolGro 18 September 2015 14: 58 New
    +2
    Deputy Head of Ukroboronprom: American "Javelins" - a cinema myth.
  16. Petrik66
    Petrik66 18 September 2015 15: 00 New
    +5
    "We are on the path of import substitution - what was produced in Russia is now being produced for us, for example, in Poland"
    What then to talk about?
  17. Magic archer
    Magic archer 18 September 2015 15: 00 New
    +3
    Another urachochlopatriot. Everything is fine with us, everything is fine and blah blah blah! They didn’t even lie about the Antonov factory. They kept the full cycle ... What’s the whole cycle, I’m sorry?! There were cuts back in that year that we had in 90 did not dream. About 4 armored personnel carriers and tanks are also funny. In short, another balabol
  18. evil partisan
    evil partisan 18 September 2015 15: 01 New
    +1
    At the same time, we acted completely non-standard.
    Well, well ...
    Take at least the column in the questionnaire - a specialized higher education “tank building”.
    belay
    Tank Engineering University Tachanki Makhno, or what? what
    Only a person who received education in Soviet times can fall under this criterion.
    Those. definitely zradnik. sad
    We removed those moments that you can catch on.
    That is not caught request
  19. Belousov
    Belousov 18 September 2015 15: 02 New
    +2
    Hmm ... milk rivers and jelly banks are already visible on the horizon ... Although in this case the rivers should be from the vodka, and the banks from the bacon.
  20. vobels
    vobels 18 September 2015 15: 04 New
    0
    "In today's conditions, it is impossible to produce large-caliber guns. We simply do not have such technological capabilities." They do not have such opportunities and will not, and many things will not happen yet. There are no brains because.
  21. mosquit
    mosquit 18 September 2015 15: 06 New
    +1
    EFFECT MANAGER ++++++
  22. svp67
    svp67 18 September 2015 15: 06 New
    +2
    Ukrainian "Stugna" is a Ukrainianized "Cornet" and is produced in conjunction with Belorussia
    Stugna

    cornet
  23. tatarin_ru
    tatarin_ru 18 September 2015 15: 14 New
    +1
    Yes .. Seem in Ruin, nothing but idle talk remained.

    No honor, no conscience, no history, no independence, and all this is some kind of 2 years. In the best case, the Ruin awaits the fate of Poland (the Baltic forgiveness .. duck) for a bone from the owner are ready to fulfill any whim.

    And they will be given weapons, for loans naturally, forever and ever.
    1. avdkrd
      avdkrd 18 September 2015 23: 19 New
      0
      Quote: tatarin_ru
      In the best case, the fate of Poland awaits Ruin

      Well, about the fate of Poland, the ruin to dream and dream. Despite its spread legs (in front of the black gentleman), Poland has preserved industry and thugs do not zeal in front of its parliament. Politically and economically, Poland is a very successful state. The most important indicator of success is the lack of Maidan (although of course it is clear where the Maidan comes from). The level of Urina is more consistent with the communal-tribal system - when to solve any issue it is necessary to arrange a general meeting with an inevitable massacre and dances with a tambourine.
  24. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 18 September 2015 15: 23 New
    +2
    Honestly, I began to laugh from the first paragraph. But still read it. Pancake! Can you imagine what they’ll do ..? Where where? The top five arms exporters? Not weak!
  25. shinobi
    shinobi 18 September 2015 15: 23 New
    +1
    We can do everything, but we don’t have enough money for it, but we don’t know where to get it. -So, as it’s probably.
  26. _my opinion
    _my opinion 18 September 2015 15: 28 New
    +2
    We are following the path of import substitution - what was produced in Russia is now being produced for us, for example, in Poland.

    is import substitution? ... and what is Poland part of Ukraine? smile
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 18 September 2015 16: 35 New
      +2
      On the turn, Western Ukraine gathered in Poland.
  27. RiverVV
    RiverVV 18 September 2015 15: 34 New
    0
    How is a military pattern different from a civilian? Only internal specifications

    Only euthanazepam will help this person ...
  28. arrows
    arrows 18 September 2015 16: 11 New
    +1
    It’s good that the stupidity of the jumpers wins, we have less worries.
  29. Arandir
    Arandir 18 September 2015 16: 16 New
    0
    Quote: jarome
    I will not defecate jokes, although many news about the weapons of the uropovysk at the VO turn into a laughable panorama.
    I can only say that it’s shitty that striped cannon fodder is slowly starting to arm itself. It is also bad that they have a reason for war with us, and this meat can be used to start a big war.

    Against aviation, iskanders and electronic warfare, reconnaissance satellites, concrete roadblocks piled up in heaps of ammunition in forest shelterbelts and ragged soldiers in construction robes who are awarded the army tank jumpsuit (as a reward for the heroic defense of Mariupol, which no one took) that could catch fire when approaching a potbelly stove.
    Yeah, the big war of the ever-drunk and smoked degenerates-looters with the Russian army
  30. Papin
    Papin 18 September 2015 16: 33 New
    +2
    The enterprise itself, for various reasons, did not want to develop, did not enter into any relations with Western enterprises and, accordingly, there were no orders placed there.

    Right here is the root of the problems of all, the Antonov enterprise did not want to develop and did not build airplanes.
    Enchanting analysis of the reasons ........
  31. Papin
    Papin 18 September 2015 16: 42 New
    +5
    The second point is the transition to NATO standards. Our main businesses have received ISO 9001 quality certificates, which gives us the opportunity to be represented in foreign markets.

    ISO 9001 is not a quality certificate, but a quality management system (management), which includes a full assessment of the enterprise at all stages from project documentation, risk assessment, to standardization of processes and layout on the floor, + logistics, + procurement, + sales , + attendants.
    I can hardly imagine a state-owned Ukrainian enterprise that meets the requirements of ISO 9001 /
  32. asar
    asar 18 September 2015 17: 38 New
    +1
    connections between the brands Porsche, Mercedes, Audi and the Ivano-Frankivsk Carpathian factory.


    This is like the "Carpathians - Cayenne" ?! Or "GloryAudi" ?!
    And your “iron”, as if it were not extolled in dill, burns like a tire!
  33. mvg
    mvg 18 September 2015 17: 41 New
    -1
    Quote: Darkmor
    You know, there’s a beautiful sweetie. You bought it over a wrapper, open it, try it, but it’s not tasty. A hundred times this happened - then you start to pay attention to the manufacturer and the composition ...
    I read the interview. A man, it seems, knows how to speak, but not very much and understands what he says.
    In this article he creates a “wrapper” for candy to make it look more beautiful - but he DOES NOT WORD say anything about the content.

    1) The point is to compare the Javelins with the new ukro-wunderwaffe missile, which is a pale clone of the "cornet" that is inferior to the latter in almost all respects?
    But just the parameters are hushed up - and the missiles are put in one row and compared by the only remaining criterion - price.
    2) The same thing with “Oploti” - neither figures of state orders, nor export data are said - it is only said that five cars were delivered to Thailand and this is a REVERSE.
    And this is the ONLY contract for these machines. No one else expressed a desire to buy them for the entire existence of the tank.
    The stronghold itself is a deep modernization of the T-64, on which they put a new engine, a new DZ and changed sights with internal electronics. This is not enough for serious competition in the foreign market.
    3) The same song with armored personnel carriers - they, like, have a lot, they, like, have good prospects ... and? Where are the numbers? Comparisons? Confirmations for contracts? Show who the fuck they need!
    Take the armored sphere. Armored vehicle "Watch". It is priced at almost 4 times cheaper than any American or European counterpart.

    And where did you get the idea that you can compete with them only for the price?
    4) According to Antonov's concern, solid water and promises. "We can use the full production cycle, which means that soon we will rivet a bunch of aircraft." And he is silent about whether there are projects of these same aircraft and whether there is an order for them.
    5) Well, it was finished that, allegedly, sanctions against the Russian Federation open up new opportunities for Ukraine. What kind of idiocy? Those who bought military equipment from us did not impose sanctions against us. What we, the NATO countries would sell our weapons? It is not standardized with them. Where will Ukraine wedge there?
    6) "we will make weapons for the caliber of NATO" ... Well, you first do it, and then try to compete in the NATO market, and there the competition is more serious than in the post-Soviet one. Do you think the USA, Britain, France or Germany will allow you to bite off a piece of THEM pie?
    Ukrainian drones, Ukrainian electronics, Ukrainian sights ... all this is beautiful only in words, give confirmation by numbers.

    And in the article there are a lot of such "misunderstandings".
    Or this is a deliberate lie, because nothing to boast about. Or this person is not occupying his position. Neither the first nor the second brings anything good to ukroboronprom.
    "Ukroboronprom" in the form in which it is today, probably will not last long

    And with this I can agree ...

    Let me briefly outline the possibilities of ukroboronoprom:
    Now, this is such a mini-China, without Chinese cheapness and volumes - but with Chinese quality. It is NOT COMPETITIVE in its current form. Point.

    "Hold" is not bad fucking. You shouldn’t be so. And Ukrainians, a few years ago were Slavic brothers, and, by the way, a VERY large% of high-tech industries were in western Ukraine. The same "Antonovs", "Yuzhmashi", "Kharkov tank-building" ... so what, and it’s silly to blame them for the lack of brains
    1. family tree
      family tree 18 September 2015 18: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: mvg
      "Hold" is not bad fucking. You shouldn’t be so. And Ukrainians, a few years ago were Slav brothers,

      Keyword horseradish. Because of the engine. Very heat-stressed, boosted two-stroke, with declared, frantic, for such an engine, engine life, and even an ejector cooling system.
      and, by the way, a VERY large% of high-tech industries were western Ukraine. The same "Antonovs", "Yuzhmashi", "Kharkov tank-building" ... so what, and it’s silly to blame them for the lack of brains
      belay
      Yuzhmash- Dnepropetrovsk, HKBTM and Plant them. Malysheva-Kharkov, Design Bureau Antonova-Kiev. And with what fright, here, Western?
    2. avdkrd
      avdkrd 18 September 2015 23: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: mvg
      "Hold" is not bad fucking. You shouldn’t be so. And Ukrainians, a few years ago were Slavic brothers, and, by the way, a VERY large% of high-tech industries were in western Ukraine. The same "Antonovs", "Yuzhmashi", "Kharkov tank-building" ... so what, and it’s silly to blame them for the lack of brains

      They were Slavic brothers before Odessa, but what else is the point, that in urine WAS a very large percentage of knowledge-intensive industries? The keyword WAS. Antonov went bankrupt with ruined production and lack of personnel, Yuzhmash could exist only with orders (who WAS the main customer?), Kharkov no longer has production facilities for the full tank production cycle, its destiny is to make mediocre modernization of Soviet equipment. Your thesis about "can not be blamed for the lack of brains" beyond good and evil. For more than 20 years, ask for a free country (despite the fact that the whole urine industry is a merit of the whole USSR, urine didn’t pay a dime for Soviet debts), lumpenize society to "unaccounted for", cultivate fascism, try to arrange bombing and shelling to itself Donbass - lack of mind is very soft, it’s stupid not to see it.
  34. kotvov
    kotvov 18 September 2015 18: 10 New
    0
    drove half of Ukraine to the landfill,
    this must be understood, the main paremoga. the rest, already, does not even cause even laughter — one sadness, they finish the country.
    1. family tree
      family tree 18 September 2015 18: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: kotvov
      drove half of Ukraine to the landfill,
      this must be understood, the main paremoga.

      It's just that this defective one, apparently not in the know, that at one time, the thirty-four had to drive from Kharkov to Moscow in order to be accepted into service, and only on condition that they would go back to Kharkov on their own.
      Here I am sitting and thinking what his specialty and qualification are in the diploma what
      1. cuzmin.mihail2013
        cuzmin.mihail2013 18 September 2015 20: 54 New
        0
        Interestingly, and wonders of Ukroboronprom BTR-3 or BTR-4 will get to Moscow along the main highway? At least one way. Something gnaws at me a vague suspicion that no.
        1. family tree
          family tree 18 September 2015 23: 50 New
          0
          Quote: cuzmin.mihail2013
          Interestingly, and wonders of Ukroboronprom BTR-3 or BTR-4 will get to Moscow along the main highway? At least one way. Something gnaws at me a vague suspicion that no.
          And what’s on the asphalt, even the cracks will not break, Katie and Katie slowly, before arriving, I didn’t sleep the night, tore off the rust, processed phosphoric, putty, anointed, New, secret, do not touch laughing , but, I forgot, black ones at the resale, more discs than something washing, for some reason they smear, every hour, so that it probably shone.
          On asphalt and Togliatti basins, except, here, reinforced Fiat-124, that is, VAZ2101, I will not forget a century. He took the killed, the “badagami” to drive, the bodywork has been aligned, I thought for a year, then I’ll change it. Six years, faithfully.
  35. Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 18 September 2015 18: 32 New
    +1
    ("Oplot" is not bad shit. You shouldn’t be so. And Ukrainians, a few years ago were Slav brothers, and, by the way, a VERY large% of science-intensive industries were in western Ukraine. The same “Antonovs”, “Yuzhmashi”, “Kharkov tank-building "... so what, and stupid to blame them for lack of brains.)
    Kiev, Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk are the east and center of Ukraine.
  36. Arkon
    Arkon 18 September 2015 19: 02 New
    +2
    In an interview with UNIAN, Sergey Pinkas - First Deputy General Director of the Ukroboronprom State Concern,


    Eh, Seryoga, you can’t imagine, because you didn’t study history, which prodigy your predecessor, the German Reich, had a goal in 1944. Not a match for your gozn - stugnam. Did not help... request
  37. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 18 September 2015 20: 16 New
    0
    "... how much is it?

    I don’t think that it will be completely correct to voice the number, because there are “Bastions” both in the defense order and in a number of export contracts .... "
    The drain is counted. One of...
    And vaapche! Who told this "competitive" handsome that his crafts are waiting for somewhere else, except dill itself? Yes, even if they are 100500 times better than the American-European! An example of Bulgarian agriculture cries out.
  38. lopvlad
    lopvlad 18 September 2015 20: 29 New
    +1
    Only Ukrainian "experts" can so reveal the true scope ... s in the Ukrainian defense industry.

    What is the result.

    There is a tank "Oplot" for which there is no gun, as well as there is no production of large-caliber barrels for artillery in Ukraine so far.

    In today's conditions it is impossible to produce large-caliber guns. We just do not have such technological capabilities.


    It is almost openly recognized that Ukraine is not able to afford new equipment and therefore imports, purchases the Soviet legacy from the Warsaw block.

    There are countries that cannot afford new equipment, and they will buy equipment that is decommissioned and decommissioned, for example, from countries from Eastern Europe that are members of the European Union.

    An attempt to lie that it is their developments that the Ukrainian army is fighting and not with Soviet equipment released under the USSR in Russia

    What happened now - our equipment is tested in military operations in the east of Ukraine.


    Lack of production of hulls for armored personnel carriers in Ukraine. The Ukrainian “craftsmen” made the hull for the BTR-3 from the hull for the BTR-80 by cutting and welding pieces into it. The hull for the BTR-4 is done as the militants do their jigad mobility (the real battle when the enemy can be not only in front but also from the sides, back.

    With the increase in production of these APCs, another problem arose. The case for it is made at one private factory. When a small number of APCs were needed, there were no questions.




    Of all the below, only BTR-4 and "Dozor" is a development of an independent Ukraine.

    We have how many armored vehicles today - BTR-70, BTR-80, BTR-3, BTR-4, plus Dozor, MTLB, BMP.


    What did the deputy head keep silent about private factory this is the Lenin smithy and that after the Donbass fell off in Ukraine there is no production of even cartridges (there remained small firms producing ammunition for hunting weapons)

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  39. Evilcat
    Evilcat 18 September 2015 20: 30 New
    0
    American "Javelins" - a cinema myth
    Woke up? Have you really forgotten that the shots of a high-precision rocket falling into a factory tube during the Iran war are computer graphics. I wonder why start a conversation about the transfer of high-precision weapons to Ukraine? If desired, you can shove your mattress. At least they still don’t know how to get into the air conditioner.
  40. mamont5
    mamont5 18 September 2015 20: 36 New
    0
    "I will not say that with the production of Oplotov everything is cloudless and uncomplicated. Everything is very complicated. On the other hand, they were not produced at all a year ago. Today we already have some kind of series."

    What series? What is this next chatterbox? In addition to the first 10 units produced from Russian components, Ruin did not produce ANY tank from the ground up. All their releases are the processing and refinement of “canned goods” from numerous stocks since the time of the Union.

    “Take the armored sphere. The Dozor armored vehicle. It’s almost 4 cheaper than any American or European counterpart.”

    Just do not drive. And so, at the level of "analogues."
  41. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 18 September 2015 20: 41 New
    0
    I even remembered a children's song from the 90s ...
    I sculpt from plasticine
    Plastelin is more tender than clay,
    I sculpt from plasticine
    Puppets, clowns, dogs .....
    If the doll comes out badly
    I will call her Fool
    If the clown comes out badly
    I’ll call him ... well, etc ....
    And now these "guys" are sculpting what comes out of what is at hand. Who will give them a lift? There are few places for whales in armaments in the world market, but here these are rods with modernization of the type “we have something to offer”. Maybe they have, but all the achievements will go under the brand of the one who buys them. No one will create a product themselves and sell abroad.
    There is advice to those who are in dill with brains - tick to the "aggressor" with your initiatives. The less you try for the junta, the more descendants will remember you with a kind word, because today you are working for the enemy.
  42. IAlex
    IAlex 18 September 2015 21: 31 New
    0
    The enterprise itself, for various reasons, did not want to develop, did not enter into any relations with Western enterprises and, accordingly, there were no orders placed there.


    After this phrase, it is no longer necessary to read, for it is clear that everything written is nonsense of a clerical rat, because everyone remembers hohlostan, An 70x, almost a billion dollars, A400M, and a promise to go to hell ...
  43. iouris
    iouris 18 September 2015 22: 43 New
    0
    In the warehouses that went to NATO, a huge amount of weapons and ammunition. This is the materiel and it will be delivered "ukram" through Lithuania and / or Poland as necessary. There will be no problems. Additionally broadcast fuss Ukroboronprom. The enterprises that were rumored probably seized Roshen.
  44. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 18 September 2015 23: 44 New
    0
    And why did these nutcrackers take that they would even be allowed to approach this shit?
    Naive! laughing
  45. Militia
    Militia 19 September 2015 00: 23 New
    0
    The whole interview is expressed in one word - DIGITAL FORCE. But this assessment - “By technical characteristics, they bypass even the Javelins ...” in general is a marasmic masterpiece. Well, the only adequate answer is that the Concern in the form in which it is today will probably not last long.

    Of course, it’s more suitable - Ukraine, in the form in which it is today, will probably not last long.
  46. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 19 September 2015 04: 06 New
    0
    in May, the president set the task for the management of Ukroboronprom to withdraw Ukraine in the next few years in the top 5 largest arms exporters.
    Idiot's dream! And Pinkas raves about fulfilling this dream! bully laughing wassat
  47. andrewkor
    andrewkor 19 September 2015 06: 58 New
    +1
    Well, what are you clinging to a guy? You take a 125mm shell, clamp it into a machine chuck 1k62, peel it up to 120mm (you make less of the bigger one — the world law of physics + mechanics has not been canceled), and so there are several million pieces and for yourself, there’s enough export — Russia cries quietly aside from envy !!!
  48. Colonellee
    Colonellee 19 September 2015 21: 06 New
    0
    I read the article and remembered a joke in the subject. Whatever the Kazakh scientists would try to invent, hemp always came out for some reason. As I understand it, “Stugna” is a kind of reactively smoked anti-tank bacon with laser guidance ... The prototype of the film “Evenings on a Farm Near Dikanka” is flying dumplings ...