APU. Is the armor strong?

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Information appeared on the Internet that money was laundered for the supply of so-called armored caps for ATO needs. The military personnel of the 128-th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, having tested the protective structures they had supplied, found out that the term “armored cap” can be replaced with just “cap”, since the design does not even withstand an automatic shot and easily makes its way through a Kalashnikov light machine gun. Reports the Ukrainian portal about it "Depo Transcarpathia"going under the motto "Only for dill."

About the situation on the page Facebook the representative of the “volunteer” corps of Ukraine, Lyudmila Bandurchak, also related to the Transcarpathian Regional State Administration.

She published photographs confirming the fact that there was no armor for the structures that (in the estimates of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine) cost tens of thousands of hryvnias.

Using "armored caps":
APU. Is the armor strong?


Testing armored caps by the Ukrainian military:


In addition, Bandurchak announced the words of discontent, which on this occasion expressed the servicemen of the 128 brigade.

Ludmila Bandurchak writes that after the publication of substandard “armored caps”, the 128 Brigade servicemen who revealed the absence of real armor are under pressure, and they are forced to pay for “property damage”:

Dear Commander-in-Chief Petro Poroshenko. I appeal to you publicly, since the situation has already reached the point of absurdity! I am ready to bear responsibility for this post, which belongs to me, and which caused a resonance in social networks! Therefore it is not worthwhile to press the guys who really heroically went through the whole war and the biggest battles! (...) Is this thanks from the Ministry of Defense? Now an investigation has been scheduled for the guys, they are being demobilized and forced to pay 22 thousand UAH! I am ready to incur responsibility together with those who rasbranil millions on a combustible form, on poor-quality food and equipment and did not incur any punishment! Ready to answer, so the guys left alone! I note that the Ministry of Defense is putting pressure on the whole brigade! Maybe you need to collect money and bring it in person, so that they are already left alone and allowed to go home!
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    1. +18
      17 September 2015 12: 15
      And if from the cliff sling a long line? Stuffing inside is guaranteed. If it doesn’t strike, it will strike ..
      1. +41
        17 September 2015 12: 16
        Message from the militia with the callsign "Sych"

        "For those who were waiting, I beg your pardon for the radio silence. He was busy preparing for the autumn-winter period. Before starting the political argument, I want to remind you that there are problems with preparing for the winter, at the end of last winter we were almost all provided with winter clothes. But the army has grown, not at times, of course, but one and a half times for sure. In addition, there are problems with the means of heating our trench "apartments", namely with stoves. BUT the Russian soldier is inventive, some units, namely those platoons, or even companies that don’t have enough heating equipment, make stone stoves, or even their stoves, for example from a shell from a Hurricane. But these are all everyday problems. We are ready for the autumn and winter, as well as for the war! In the meantime, time was freed up, I decided to stop by. I read it so that at first there were thoughts of shooting myself. For fun, of course ... I just decided to read HPP at first, everything is so joyful there that it’s really disgusting how they can lie like that ... BUT the creamers are not far behind, everything is so bad that the sunset of the Russian era is right ... Well, if in reality ... That of course there are no major changes in the course. All the same, on TV blah blah blah Minsk, blablabla world, blablabla everything is OK, but in the meantime, we are training hard, recruiting new volunteers (despite all the shouts of the creamers, the old ones, if they leave, it’s only those who are not here came for a long time), in addition, Voentorg to work. Recently I read an opinion about why Donbass supposedly agreed to a military service, they say now they use us because of this. Hmm .... friends, ingenious. You see, Voentorg helped us not even from the beginning of the August offensive, but from South Boiler 2.0. And the North Breeze helped create the South Cauldron. And now, let’s say, all of this would not have happened, then we would not have created that very Southern Cauldron, I’m not talking about the further offensive. And what would we have even at the beginning of August? The DPR is surrounded, in Lugansk the Lugansk and Perevalsky districts are surrounded, and now the rest of the LPR will be cut off altogether from the Russian Federation. And what would happen to us. BUT here is just one thing. History cannot stand words, if only. Voentorg and the North Wind helped, the South Boiler took place, we at least freed the entire border of the DPR and the Russian Federation, and by the way, the militia itself went on, under the supply of the Voentorg. So what would be better? If New Russia fell back in August, or exists now! And by the way, in spite of all the cries about the drain of the DPR and LPR, they almost switched to the ruble, the education and textbooks of the Russian Federation, the army, government, budget, laws, all according to the Russian Federation, to the curriculum. By the way, they raise our satisfaction, it was time to pay with delays (until the beginning of spring), and then they raised it, and large, they include many in the state. Where does the money come from? Guess the gentlemen! From Voentorg. The enterprises of the Russian Federation are interning more and more in the LPR and DPR; some are already opening their branches here, or are buying up ready-made products, and it is starting to work and giving people jobs and salaries. And that’s all, the billions of rubles that the Russian Federation spends on us to merge us, this is your logic). No, I’ll tell you differently, Novorossia, BCH and so on do not merge and are not going to merge. And they do not want to return us to Ukraine. They need us. But obedient ones are needed. The very idea of ​​Novorossia is being merged, for now, everything can change. But now the course is this! The idea is not a state, the idea is not a victory over Ukraine. And that romantic idea of ​​a country without oligarchs, corruption .... But it’s precisely that this is more of a dream, not an idea. You can and must fight for it, but most likely it will not happen even in this century. Too everything is tied to the current world system of oligarchs and so on. The democracy we know is theory. Until now, there have been no democracies in the true country. I am convinced monarchist. I am generally against democracy. As such. However, now is not about that.
        1. +18
          17 September 2015 12: 50
          Quote: Sith Lord
          And by the way, contrary to all the cries about the drain of the DPR and LPR, they almost switched to the ruble, to the education program and textbooks of the Russian Federation


          About the training program, and textbooks, I confirm with documents (I was not too lazy to make a scan copy for this).

          The textbooks are new, even a little too NEW (pay attention to the date at the bottom of the title page) lol

          I don't know what this (date) means ... Perhaps in the Russian Federation, these textbooks should "go" only in 2016? Did they just decide to test them on us?

          In any case, UNMATERAL GRATITUDE from the children of Donbass and their parents!
          1. 0
            18 September 2015 10: 33
            Quote: Tanais
            The textbooks are new, even a little too NEW (pay attention to the date at the bottom of the title page)

            -------------------
            The cover is dumb, some kind of a parrot was painted, it is inappropriate on such a geometric design ...
        2. +6
          17 September 2015 13: 02
          Thank you for the service of the soldiers of Russia.
          1. +6
            17 September 2015 13: 12
            Well, how else to utilize Bandera? They don’t want to go on the attack, run away to their homes the same way, but the Pan Ataman has no gold reserves, and they figured out how to remove them (jumping idiots) in a quiet way. Plus MO APU for ingenuity.
      2. +31
        17 September 2015 12: 16
        Now on the Internet there are a lot of bloggers, political scientists and generally people who in whole posts express their opinions. But you don’t need to read it right away, you don’t need to believe what they write at all. Learn to analyze, and pull out from the many-toned lies a few grams of truth. And so, bit by bit, let's say according to our situation both HPP, and drains and of. sources of ordinary fighters, and by communicating with real people, you will form in your head a less clear, and even true picture. Be multilateral. And remember, there is an information war. Now there are almost no independent bloggers and so on. These are all propagandists of either side of the info. war. And propaganda tends to lie for the good of her ideas! All that I wrote is designed to lower the degree of panic and too optimistic moods. And by the way, about the ban on stripes. I have half the platoon of the Novorossia stripes worn, and on the other shoulder, the LNR patch. Few people abide by this foul prohibition.
        Good night everybody!
        WE WILL WIN!"
        1. jjj
          +2
          17 September 2015 12: 50
          Quote: Sith Lord
          WE WILL WIN!"

          Satisfaction was raised, the troops were increased and trained according to Russian regulations. Again, there is a shortage of light field stoves. Not a word about "winter apartments". In fact, it says we are preparing for the winter offensive.
        2. +4
          17 September 2015 12: 53
          Can someone explain to me what this bl ... is ??? (Image is clickable)
          1. +4
            17 September 2015 13: 08
            Armor! Shield! Or New Fashion!
          2. +15
            17 September 2015 13: 16
            Quote: Now we are free
            Can someone explain to me what this bl ... is ??? (Image is clickable)

            Greetings

            I can tell you without a "click" that these are children's drawings, with which they are trying to "inspire" zahysnyks "to a" feat of arms "...
            The usual use of "pliable baby stuff" to achieve the goals of the junta.

            OUR children draw this:
          3. +6
            17 September 2015 13: 26
            They hide behind children's drawings (the kids themselves didn’t come)
          4. +5
            17 September 2015 13: 37
            Quote: Now we are free
            Can someone explain to me what this bl ... is ??? (Image is clickable)


            And these are the Kohls trying to hide behind the kids. They are afraid of death. True, then they will shout "look how the separatists shoot your drawings, that's how they will shoot you!"
          5. 0
            17 September 2015 15: 06
            .... Can someone explain to me what this bl ... is ??? (Image clickable) ...

            .....Nothing special.... lol ..... It's just that the punishers use the "fancy" BMP under the art rack for the drawings sent by their children in their support .... Somewhere like that .... Not so long ago there was infa on this topic ... hi
          6. 0
            17 September 2015 16: 06
            Quote: Now we are free
            Can someone explain to me what this bl ... is ??? (Image is clickable)


            It's like in the Soviet Army - "Lenkomnata".
          7. 0
            18 September 2015 04: 18
            Quote: Now we are free
            Can someone explain to me what this bl ... is ???

            Exhibition of Wanderers))) Culture to the masses!
        3. +2
          17 September 2015 15: 20
          wink
          Quote: Sith Lord
          But you don’t need to read it right away, you don’t need to believe what they write at all. Learn to analyze, and pull out from the many-toned lies a few grams of truth.

          Absolutely accurate definition!
          By the way, it concerns not only politics, but everything.
          There is no more absurd and dumber person than the one who having only a TV, but still not having neither the corresponding experience, nor education at the moment discussed, something there proves to the neighbor already with foam at the mouth, or even with fists and mats. lol
          There are a lot of such ones, the example of the square is especially indicative.
          But what prevents you from trying to be smarter and not succumb to provocation. wink
      3. +4
        17 September 2015 12: 22
        Quote: Grabber2000
        And if from the cliff sling a long line? Stuffing inside is guaranteed. If it doesn’t strike, it will strike ..
        Yes, this is not surprising. This amused me
        the servicemen of the 128 brigade who have revealed the absence of real armor are pressured and forced to pay for "damage to property
        And after this, Ukrainians still care for their country.
        1. +4
          17 September 2015 12: 26
          But in the USSR they knew how to build .. there, the Ukrainians ..
          http://blog.turmir.com/blog_16030.html
        2. +6
          17 September 2015 12: 31
          Quote: Wend
          Yes, this is not surprising. This amused me

          22 thousand hryvnias from them want - not so much for a demobilization. A normal topic, it is necessary to shoot these caps with a large number of people - it will cost less. smile
      4. +2
        17 September 2015 12: 29
        I am not surprised at anything after I saw the tanks of the APU turned out by explosions. If they make tanks of incomprehensible metal, then what about these crafts?
        1. +4
          17 September 2015 13: 25
          Quote: vodolaz
          I am not surprised at anything after I saw the tanks of the APU turned out by explosions. If they make tanks of incomprehensible metal, then what about these crafts?

          In vain are you so about tanks, and their armor ...
          Everything is still SOVIET.

          Ukraine for "independence" was honored only for tanks under the "Pakistani contract" and a dozen "Oplots". AND EVERYTHING!

          And "tanks twisted by explosions" are the fruit of the effective work of anti-tank weapons, howitzer artillery and MLRS.
          1. +3
            17 September 2015 14: 04
            Ukraine for "independence" was honored only for tanks under the "Pakistani contract"
            \
            These are the T-80UD tanks, most of which were produced by the Soviets.
            On some tanks, even Soviet tags remained.
            yes for a dozen "Oplotov"

            I got the impression that this is all an upgrade of the T-64 and T-80. In Kharkov, from old stocks, a tank was taken, a "major overhaul" was made, and here you are, a "new" tank.
    2. +4
      17 September 2015 12: 15
      money laundered

      and someone doubted?
      1. +12
        17 September 2015 12: 20
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/989/simv238.jpg

        And they also have what they have, except for armored caps "... !!!
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    3. +4
      17 September 2015 12: 15
      They pounded again ... Who settled in Kiev? bully
      1. +2
        17 September 2015 12: 20
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Who settled in Kiev?

        Putin's agents laughing And who else? laughing
    4. +6
      17 September 2015 12: 16
      the term “bronekolpak” can be replaced by simply “cap”

      In the 404 circus, it should be so!
      For clowns ...
      A cap is sewn, but not a cap.
      It’s necessary to repack it, but to pop it out!
      laughing
    5. +2
      17 September 2015 12: 17
      In general, when I see this creature, the imperial anthem plays in my head .. soldier and the imperial paratroopers falling after one laser hit in white .. although not in green ..
      And if you open the windows in it and hide your head, then generally the bullets will go through without damaging the structure! wassat
    6. +3
      17 September 2015 12: 17
      God, what the Ukrainians have gone down to! 25 years of propaganda completely deprived them of adequate thinking, even in engineering!
      1. +2
        17 September 2015 13: 37
        And what about the engineers? As usual, they drove ordinary steel at the price of armored. They put the difference in your pocket. Same x .... I'm with tanks.
    7. +1
      17 September 2015 12: 17
      easily breaks out of a Kalashnikov assault rifle and machine gun

      Everything for the native Ukrainian army and not what to myself. In fact, everything is for itself, but the army will be interrupted. And they still hope that the APU will protect them?
    8. +2
      17 September 2015 12: 18
      They will be judged. Only not for damage to property, but for the disclosure of important state secrets. bully
    9. +2
      17 September 2015 12: 19
      Well, since there is no armor, you will have to strengthen it with straw ... or dung laughing
      ETOGES what a breakdown will be! wassat
    10. +6
      17 September 2015 12: 19
      the design does not withstand even an automatic shot and easily breaks out of a machine gun


      And if you fasten a lala-charm?
    11. +13
      17 September 2015 12: 19
      new in armament.
    12. +1
      17 September 2015 12: 20
      you don’t have to change anything ... everything will be fine with you ... repeat these words more often and wait for DLNR to visit
    13. +4
      17 September 2015 12: 20
      money laundered
    14. +9
      17 September 2015 12: 21
      Maginot Line? Not? The Ukrainian army is evolving at an alarming rate: now the First World War is being reconstructed. By the way, it is not clear where the spotter balloons are, where are the hang-gliders, the good-quality forged air-to-ground arrows, where are the bombs and locomotives-tractors ...
      However, tank wedges and blitzkriegs should be wary of such paces by spring. Fortunately, tractors and welding machines in Ukraine are still in abundance.
      Although now ukrovoinov can simply be locked in a bunker and not worry that they will run away. But in their place, I would dig deeper everywhere, cover myself with concrete slabs and bombard everything around with mines. They had plenty of time for all this.

      1. +4
        17 September 2015 12: 57
        Ahaha! Amused Photos, especially the second, is that why they drove the car into a puddle, what to wash? laughing wassat
        In fact, in Ukraine for a long time everything was mixed up: people and horses; democracy and oligarchy; peramoga and zdrada; progress and regression ...
    15. +1
      17 September 2015 12: 22
      The gang opened her eyes, and it is necessary, personally gutroshenko and co, the war in order to "earn" money. More of such "caps" and armored vehicles are the same.
    16. +1
      17 September 2015 12: 24
      It’s they who are the masters of shouting that we have cardboard Armata, what do we have?
    17. 0
      17 September 2015 12: 27
      And then apparently "Putin's hand"
    18. 0
      17 September 2015 12: 30
      Well - .. now you have to re-stick, again joy — tens of thousands more hryvnias in the cap of your cap!
    19. +1
      17 September 2015 12: 31
      Damage to property is evident, and modern, the top of the high-tech.
    20. +6
      17 September 2015 12: 32
      APU. Is the armor strong?
      By all means !!!

      1. We take a Soviet-made car.
      2. We weld more metal on it.
      3. ...
      4. PROFIT

      That’s how the Tekhnichki based on the UAZ 3303 came into being. Slightly welded pieces of reinforcement for the frontal armor, airfield coating on the sides. Sim-salabim, and the model of the most advanced armored vehicles in the world is sent to the APU_

      - "It turned out to be a lovely collective farm sheaf binder" (c) "Golden Calf".
      1. +5
        17 September 2015 12: 47
        It always seems to me that these are two halves of the same car ...
      2. +1
        17 September 2015 13: 18
        wassat and does the weight of the welded metal play no role, or will it pull along the front at first speed and okay? Some kind of armored car with protection against slingshots and slings ...
        and in the back they’re supposedly traveling with spears
      3. 0
        18 September 2015 08: 13
        Carefully done!))) Armor from airfield plates))))
    21. +1
      17 September 2015 12: 32
      No, here, they ruined state property, damaged a piece of iron and don’t want to pay ........
    22. +1
      17 September 2015 12: 43
      That's right, calculate the money, how could it be without such caps! According to Lutsenko, the largest army in Europe, even now it is ready to take Moscow. Therefore, you can’t do without such caps !!!
    23. +2
      17 September 2015 12: 44
      But the woman took and opened the main military secret, urgently, together with those who ruined the strategically important armor caps, to relocate the caps to another place, and put new serviceable caps on this line with the same performance characteristics
    24. +6
      17 September 2015 12: 45
      The horror is that there are no protests about the war, there are no demands to end it! They ask for weapons so that they can continue to fight! the people in the ruins are crazy!
    25. +2
      17 September 2015 12: 52
      There would be more such caps in the APU. You look and the gene pool will straighten.
    26. wow
      +4
      17 September 2015 13: 03
      I have already written a hundred times that the name "Ukraine" has its roots in the UKRast and nothing more ...
    27. +7
      17 September 2015 13: 08
      they are forced to pay for "damage to property"

      This is our way ... It was good in the old days, then OTK was severe: an armored blacksmith put on his own products, a customer chopped a sword in a big way ... The career of scammers, as a rule, was interrupted after the first defective kit.
      So it was necessary, for a start, to plant under the cap of its manufacturers wink

      However, what to speak of gray-haired antiquity - even with our grandfathers (during the Second World War), they would be asked for defective armor under wartime laws with a similar result for scammers!

      Completely different Pyotr Alekseevich resolved similar issues as follows (decree of January 11.01.1723, XNUMX):
      "I command the owner of the Tula factory, Kornil Beloglazov, to whip him and send him to work in monasteries, before he, a scoundrel, dared to sell the sovereign's army worthless pishchal and fusei.
      It was ordered that the Armory Office from St. Petersburg move to Tula and observe the condition of the rifles day and night. Let the clerks and the clerk watch as the Aldermans stigmatize. If you take doubt, check it yourself by inspection and shooting. And shoot two guns every month until they deteriorate.
      If the hitch in the army happened during the battle, according to the clerks and clerks, to beat them in a bare place, the owner - 25 whips and penalties, for a piece of wood for a shotgun. To beat the foreman of alderman to insensibility. To give the senior clerk to non-commissioned officers. Give the clerk to the clerk. The clerk is deprived of the Sunday cup for a period of one year.
      I command the new owner of the rifle factory, Demidov, to build clerks and clerk of the hut so that they will howl no worse. Worse, let Demidov not be offended. I will command the belly to deprive.
    28. +3
      17 September 2015 13: 17
      - Mikola, have you sucked your home country on the "ru" domain?
      - And what?
      - Well, then, "Russia"!
      - From, you bastards! And I thought, Ridna Ukraine!
    29. +2
      17 September 2015 13: 18
      Quote: Tanais


      The textbooks are new, even a little too NEW (pay attention to the date at the bottom of the title page) lol

      I don't know what this (date) means ... Perhaps in the Russian Federation, these textbooks should "go" only in 2016? Did they just decide to test them on us?



      This means that the textbook for the 2016 academic year :) And it starts on September 1, 2015.
    30. +4
      17 September 2015 13: 29
      This war is strange, art. dueling, BM shooting, no direct contact. Therefore, there are no calls to stop. As soon as the Armed Forces of Ukraine try to attack, they will get an answer, roll back with losses, bigger and bigger ... Then there will be cries for the cessation of bloodshed. Well, as a result of Minsk 3.
    31. +4
      17 September 2015 13: 32
      I’ll just leave here what Russia produces in this area)
      BZK-23 is designed for fast and not requiring special equipment erection of defensive structures of any complexity and configuration.
      1. +1
        17 September 2015 14: 32
        normal lego for older boys.
      2. 0
        18 September 2015 04: 23
        That's what maincraft with people does! laughing
    32. +2
      17 September 2015 14: 02
      I didn’t understand why the volunteer was unhappy. Judging by the picture, they thrashed point blank, armor-piercing. Steel is pierced, but not cracked, that is, the viscosity and strength are consistent. About a hundred bullets would most likely ricochet. Well, a heavy machine gun and 20 mm will break through.

      The idea of ​​such domes, of course, does not stand up to serious criticism, but for the quick equipment of temporary positions, it will work. Anything is better than boards. If you weld a dome of sufficiently thick steel, then you will have to lift it with a crane and install it in place.
    33. +6
      17 September 2015 14: 34
      This is not to protect fighters. This is so that they do not run away.
    34. 0
      17 September 2015 14: 58
      Stupid article. A warrior has always drank money righteous and unrighteous, so it’s unworthy to be surprised.
    35. +6
      17 September 2015 15: 01
      Oh! I'll upgrade!
      1. 0
        18 September 2015 02: 31
        Grucomobile - Tse limousine uropeteka.
    36. +2
      17 September 2015 15: 47
      Quote: "Lyudmila Bandurchak writes that after the publication about low-quality" armored caps "on the servicemen of the 128th brigade, who revealed the absence of real armor, there is pressure, and they are forced to pay for" damage to property ": Dear Commander-in-Chief Petro Poroshenko ... bla, bla blah ... Now the guys are under investigation, they are demobilized and are forced to pay 22 thousand hryvnia! "

      So it’s they specially to get under demobilization!)
    37. 0
      17 September 2015 16: 01
      all the Soviet people were buried, and the “grip” was left only at the modern level. They understood or understood. So to say, a rational offer. But others will pay ... with money, with their lives ...
    38. 0
      17 September 2015 16: 26
      Fooled the soldiers.
    39. +1
      17 September 2015 16: 29
      Give each ukrovoyane a cap! Let him dig in and wait ... armageddon.
    40. 0
      17 September 2015 16: 45
      Bandera dug deeper. It took a long time to get them. And the caps are sunflower seeds. In our country Vitek used a hammer on Zarnitsa to hammer into the second metal.
    41. 0
      18 September 2015 14: 03
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Message from the militia with the callsign "Sych"

      "I am a monarchist by conviction. I am generally against democracy. As such.

      I thank you and fully support
    42. 0
      20 September 2015 15: 01
      it is "armored coffin"

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