Donbass will be the second Crimea

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Donbass will be the second CrimeaPerhaps already this winter. Not according to the official status, that is, the Russian region, but in essence. An island of salvation and stability in raging protonacial broth. Bandera Krajina is slipping into civil strife, she cannot avoid it ... How many civil strikes were there in the world - really they didn’t want to be prevented? Could not, because they become after the transitioned fatal line the only way out of the contradictions.

In the absence of a clear leading and guiding will from Washington and his ambassador Jeffrey Payette, after his new policy of formal equidistance to political forces in Kiev, the conflict of Bandera among themselves becomes inevitable. Actually, only Washington held him back, but now, after the junta did not attack the Donbass, all the political gateways are open. And the prerequisites of the conflict are there.

In fact, a dual power has already taken shape in Krajina, that is, ambitious centers of power have been formed, and they are in antagonism to each other. Both of them use the American roof, it has not evaporated at all, but now it is manipulated gradually, with one hand Poroshenko (through Saakashvili), and the other with the Right Sector and other Nazi patriots (through Nalyvaychenko) and the former governor, oligarch Kolomoisky.

Which of them is today the “beloved wife” of the US State Department is hard to say, but this is not Poroshenko. He failed the task of the State Department in the Donbas, and now he will answer for this with his political death, and perhaps not only political.

For the president of the remnants of Ukraine, this is not a secret, and he hastily arming himself: he creates his own army of "sudden response" of the KOVR under the roof of a new police special unit. It is clear why. The APU after the fights in the Donbass is both battered and unreliable, and can betray Poroshenko at a crucial moment, as Yanukovych betrayed. According to the testimony of the Ukrainian political scientist Rostislav Ishchenko, Yanukovych tried to use the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the Maidan coup, but faced with outright sabotage of the officer corps.

The hastily created KOVR will actually have to perform the functions of Yanukovich’s “Berkut”, but ... it is created with the help of American (or Israeli) instructors, which could lead to a sudden interception of the management of the KOVR by unknown persons. In general, it is very doubtful that Poroshenko will succeed in creating in such a short time a force structure that even remotely resembles "Golden Eagle". In addition, Yanukovych relied on the units of the "Berkut" from the Russian-speaking south-eastern regions of the country, which, albeit nominally, represented. And on which regions Poroshenko relies, who does he even represent?

According to sociologists, Poroshenko's rating today is 3%, this is the level of statistical error. His hands are in blood, the war in the Donbass is lost, the economy is bursting at the seams: he is a loser all around. And everyone remembers the betrayal by the authorities, namely this new Kiev authorities, the "Golden Eagle", the persecution of its fighters for simply fulfilling the order and their military duty. I remember that Vladimir Putin said then that the prosecution of the “Golden Eagle” fighters would cost the Kiev authorities dearly ...

For all its problems, the Donbass in this situation may become the second envy of Ukrainians, after the Crimea. Although Donbass has many problems: the republican authorities are not competent enough, the region is in a blockade, but Moscow is behind it. Therefore, the Novorossiysk republics will always be with gas, electricity and food.

Europe and America are behind Kiev, however, Bandera’s energy problems are taken by the throats in the summer, and they ask for help from the “country of the aggressor” ... Today, according to the Ministry of Energy Demchishin, 200-300 thousand tons of coal per month are imported, and for the passage of the winter period, Ukraine will have to buy 1 million tons of coal per month.

“For almost four months I was in charge of leadership at the anti-crisis energy headquarters. Unfortunately, the Ukrainian energy industry today is in a pre-infarction state. I will tell you more, the government does not control the situation in the energy sector, ”Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Valery Voshchevsky said in the Verkhovna Rada. Last winter, the Ukrainian authorities managed to avoid the collapse of the energy system only because of the warm weather and the supply of gas, coal and electricity from Russia. Today the situation has worsened.

It is difficult to say what will happen in the Bandera region in winter, however, the October elections may well become a prologue to the country's energy collapse and the Great October Maidan. Poroshenko is now trying to remove from the elections the neo-Nazi party “Freedom” with Tyagnybok, and suddenly she receives unexpected support from former Prime Minister Tymoshenko (the “Batkivshchyna” party), who said that “Freedom” is not to blame for the tragic events of the 31 of August Rada. This is another knife in the back of Poroshenko, because then the power becomes responsible for the blood of the Rada, that is, Poroshenko himself.

This means that the parliamentary coalition is falling apart in the Rada. Now it’s just a matter of opportunity that Tymoshenko chooses when it will be beneficial for her to destroy the coalition. The head of the United States, Vice President Joe Biden, told a telegram to Kiev last summer that if there is no unity in parliament, then that’s all - he will say his last greeting. So he comes ...

In fact, a bitter hangover after a long neo-Nazi banderovskoy inevitable. What it will pour out is the question. Kiev political analyst Mikhail Pogrebinsky recently said that Ukraine needs Donbas to counterbalance its Nazis. He is an intelligent man, and understands that this is impossible, it was this policy that was pursued by Yanukovych, and it led to a coup d'état, war, and external control of Washington. Pogrebinsky in Kiev, therefore, he is forced to speak in an Aesopian language that no compromises in Kiev and with Kiev are possible.

I wonder what the winter will be like this year, warm or cold, that is, what God will say because of our sins ...
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  1. +26
    17 September 2015
    Soon all this crap would have ended so that people would heal normally!
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    2. +2
      17 September 2015
      The recession in an independent economy can no longer be stopped in the near future. So Europe has to survive the next wave of refugees, but already from the outskirts. Imagine what will start in Poland belay
      1. +5
        17 September 2015
        What does Poland have to do with it ?! So they let them in! They are all, including the most svidomye will go to us, and many are already here. And they feel great compared to the situation in Ukraine.
    3. +1
      17 September 2015
      Worse, war is the norm for some.
    4. mihasik
      +8
      17 September 2015
      Quote: lemal200
      Soon all this crap would have ended so that people would heal normally!

      But why?
      With all the disadvantages of breaking the cooperation with Ukraine, Russia received:
      1. Population growth (we again have a decline in demography).
      2. Trained, competent working hands. (No longer migrant workers, but full-fledged citizens of the Russian Federation)
      3. Elimination of competitors:
      A. In the supply of weapons.
      B. In the supply of metal.
      B. In the supply of electricity
      D. In the supply of agricultural products, etc.
      So it makes sense to support Banderland only in one case - if it is called the Administrative South-Western Territory of the Russian Federation.
      1. -2
        17 September 2015
        With all the disadvantages of breaking the cooperation with Ukraine, Russia received:

        4. Sanctions with attendant problems in the economy;
        5. A hotbed of tension at the very borders, from which it will be sooooo difficult to get rid of;
        6. A suitcase without a pen in the person of Donbass, which now needs to be fed, watered, dressed, defended, without any hope of making it a part of it, like the same Crimea, or simply having real benefits from it.

        In general, I agree with lemal200: it would be better if all this tops had already ended. Only there are no prerequisites for this: the general sponsor of the celebration still does not seem to have played enough.
        1. mihasik
          +4
          17 September 2015
          Quote: Kalmar
          With all the disadvantages of breaking the cooperation with Ukraine, Russia received:
          4. Sanctions with attendant problems in the economy;
          5. A hotbed of tension at the very borders, from which it will be sooooo difficult to get rid of;
          6. A suitcase without a pen in the person of Donbass, which now needs to be fed, watered, dressed, defended, without any hope of making it a part of it, like the same Crimea, or simply having real benefits from it.

          Well, these "charms" Russia would receive regardless of whether it wants it or not, and a "suitcase without a handle" covers most of our border. And since I live in the Rostov region, this is important for me. You still tell that this Maidan, together with the war, Russia "muddied".
          And all these "slaps" in the form of Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, Tajikistan, we will receive forever, until we move from solid defense to active action. Like Khrushchev with missiles in Cuba or Ameram second Vietnam to arrange, only then can they cool down.
          1. 0
            18 September 2015
            [quote] Well, these "charms" Russia would have received regardless of whether she wants it or not [/ quote]
            Not a fact. Previously, they somehow managed without it.

            [quote] "a suitcase without a handle" covers most of our border [/ quote]
            Covers, sorry, from whom? Do you seriously believe in hordes of Ukrainian tanks breaking to the Pacific Ocean?

            [quote] You also tell that this Maidan, along with the war, Russia "muddied" ./ quote]
            Not muddied, but at least admitted. We have a Foreign Ministry, there are a bunch of special services, and they all turned out to be absolutely useless in this situation. The fact that the Americans are inciting Ukraine against Russia has been known for a long time. What has been done on our part? Nothing really, they sat and waited for the bomb. And when it was bombed, they only bit off the Crimea with a quiet glanders, in no way interfering with the further growth of tension.

            [quote] Type Khrushchev with missiles in Cuba or Amer second Vietnam arrange [/ quote]
            Forget it. The USSR was a rather isolated and self-sufficient power; it could afford a potential adversary to click on its nose.

            Modern Russia is highly dependent on imports and the global economy (read: the will of the Fed and similar structures). For such antics, they will simply arrange real sanctions for us, and things will become really bad for us (now it is still so, tolerable). And rockets in Cuba are only a joy to amers: you can even more steeply promote the topic "Russia is a terrible aggressor" and knock out more dough for military needs.
          2. 0
            18 September 2015
            [quote] Well, these "charms" Russia would have received regardless of whether she wants it or not [/ quote]
            Not a fact. Previously, they somehow managed without it.

            [quote] "a suitcase without a handle" covers most of our border [/ quote]
            Covers, sorry, from whom? Do you seriously believe in hordes of Ukrainian tanks breaking to the Pacific Ocean?

            [quote] You also tell that this Maidan, along with the war, Russia "muddied" ./ quote]
            Not muddied, but at least admitted. We have a Foreign Ministry, there are a bunch of special services, and they all turned out to be absolutely useless in this situation. The fact that the Americans are inciting Ukraine against Russia has been known for a long time. What has been done on our part? Nothing really, they sat and waited for the bomb. And when it was bombed, they only bit off the Crimea with a quiet glanders, in no way interfering with the further growth of tension.

            [quote] Type Khrushchev with missiles in Cuba or Amer second Vietnam arrange [/ quote]
            Forget it. The USSR was a rather isolated and self-sufficient power; it could afford a potential adversary to click on its nose.

            Modern Russia is highly dependent on imports and the global economy (read: the will of the Fed and similar structures). For such antics, they will simply arrange real sanctions for us, and things will become really bad for us (now it is still so, tolerable). And rockets in Cuba are only a joy to amers: you can even more steeply promote the topic "Russia is a terrible aggressor" and knock out more dough for military needs.
            1. mihasik
              0
              18 September 2015
              Quote: Kalmar
              Well, these "charms" Russia would have received regardless of whether she wants it or not

              Not a fact. Previously, they somehow managed without it.

              Yah? That is, if the Russian Federation sat further "under the bench" and did not blather sanctions, there would be no? And by the way, maybe it was the Russian Federation that sought these sanctions in order to change the neo-liberal political and economic system within the country? Isn't it a suitable pretext - sanctions?
              a "suitcase without a handle" covers most of our border

              Covers, sorry, from whom? Do you seriously believe in hordes of Ukrainian tanks breaking to the Pacific Ocean?

              At least from those mines and shells which destroyed several villages and killed a civilian in his own yard and wounded a serviceman at customs posts in the Rostov region, while the Bandera men were at our border. Would a "otvetka" lead to the deployment of a NATO contingent? Isn't that why the entire "Civilized World" was screaming about Russia's aggression?
              Not muddied, but at least admitted. We have a Foreign Ministry, there are a bunch of special services, and they all turned out to be absolutely useless in this situation. It has long been known that the Americans are taunting Ukraine against Russia.

              Are you so sure that they (the Foreign Ministry and the special services) had to get in there and get bogged down in this Ukrainian swamp? Do you blame them for not falling for the "American offer" to participate?) Maybe you should look at the battle of spiders in the bank from the side, and not break headlong into that very bank?)
              Modern Russia is highly dependent on imports and the global economy (read: on the will of the Fed and similar structures)

              Going back to the beginning:
              Maybe it was the Russian Federation that sought these sanctions in order to change the neo-liberal political and economic system within the country? Isn't that a good excuse for sanction?
              1. 0
                18 September 2015
                maybe it was the Russian Federation that was seeking these sanctions to change the neo-liberal political and economic system within the country?

                A masterpiece! It’s like getting to the street of a gopnik on the street and getting one’s teeth in order to finally find a reason to go to the dentist :)

                Not, seriously, deliberately driving the country into an economic crisis just for the sake of changing course? When you can safely change him in any direction: Vova "kosiline" Putin, if you believe the polls, is fully supported by the population, he can’t spit it.

                At least from those mines and shells with which several villages were turned around and killed a civilian in his own yard and wounded the serving people at customs posts in the Rostov Region, while Bandera was near our border.

                If Russia had not lured Donbass with unrealizable promises to be included in its composition, then with high probability even mines / shells might not have happened. Would have paid for autonomy, Poroshenko would have done it (he does not need an extra war).

                Are you so sure that they (the Foreign Ministry and the special services) had to get in there and get bogged down in this Ukrainian swamp? Do you blame them for not falling for the "American offer" to participate?) Maybe you should look at the battle of spiders in the bank from the side, and not break headlong into that very bank?)

                It’s also gorgeous. I want to sit and look at the spiders in the bank for the salary of Lavrov or Churkin.

                Those. do our foreign ministries and others exist only to carefully watch how the enemy is lighting another bonfire at the very borders? They still had to fit in, not only in 2014, and not even in 2004, but a long time ago. And to do everything so that Ukraine remains in the sphere of influence of Russia, and not the United States and other Western friends. And which is characteristic, they all the same ended up getting into it, only too late, when the other side completely controls the initiative. Five points, cho.
      2. +1
        18 September 2015
        Quote: mihasik
        With all the disadvantages of breaking the cooperation with Ukraine, Russia received:

        So it’s true, but those banderlogs who have already jumped to Russia in the wake of refugees only say YOU ARE FOR US, then this, this, but MUST! and until this freebie dissolves, and it never dissolves in the crested genes, but a little restraint can and will be obtained in a couple of generations. we will have hidden neighbors hating us in our neighbors.
    5. +1
      17 September 2015
      Quote: lemal200
      Soon all this crap would have ended so that people would heal normally!

      It didn’t start then, so that it would quickly end.
  2. +4
    17 September 2015
    Vice President Joe Biden, in the summer, sent a telegram to Kiev that if there is no unity in parliament, then that's it - he will "transmit"
    after which others will "pass" in the Outskirts will clean up the dill porridge he brewed "on their own" .. wassat
    Interesting look! And quite viable. Article "plus"!
    1. 0
      17 September 2015
      It seems that a new word "will convey" was born, a euphemism for another well-known word, which Khrushchev swore with: "homosexual".
      1. +1
        17 September 2015
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        a new word was born "will transmit"

        Well yes, of course (= yes no, probably) laughing

        Quote: Anecdote
        On the tram:
        - Young man, pass on the ticket?
        - There, the man will tell ..
        A man turns around. Very southern:
        - Who will pass? Will I give ?? You - will pass it on, and mom and dad will pass it on ..

        I know this new joke .. 35 years already wink
  3. +13
    17 September 2015
    Remember when Sherlock Holmes hit the snake in the head, she came back and stung her master? That would be the perfect option.
    1. +4
      17 September 2015
      Quote: Jarilo
      Remember when Sherlock Holmes hit the snake in the head, she came back and stung her master? That would be the perfect option.

      Alas, we will not see the "ideal option" with the owner "wrapped in flippers" ...

      And the snake is not that, and the owner is far enough away.
      But the hope that the bitten master will be in a fever for a long time is ...
    2. +1
      17 September 2015
      He did not hit the snake on the head. She would have been a bit crazy laughing , and beat her with a cane on the wall to scare her and force her to return to the ventilation outlet (story "The Motley Ribbon"). But the analogy is the same - it is not necessary to beat Ukraine on the head, it is necessary to influence indirectly, but effectively and in our interests. hi
      1. 0
        17 September 2015
        Quote: marlin1203
        do not beat Ukraine on the head



        "Don't hit him on the head again. This is his weakest point."

        I. Ilf and E. Petrov "Twelve chairs". smile
  4. +8
    17 September 2015
    May God grant that winter and something else as soon as possible will help shape Donbass to New Russia, the south to Little Russia, and Bessarabia to Bessarabia! Already tormented by people!
  5. +9
    17 September 2015
    Rather, these dances on the coffins would end!
  6. +34
    17 September 2015
    Dear citizens! Think about it, to rake it all up for us. Who else needs them. Yesterday's "horses in the squares" will come to us with the eyes of a cat from Shrek and say that we really thought differently and Russia is our mother, save us from our problems, and we will love you with all our hearts. And it will start again; cheap gas, free loans, investments, restoration of infrastructure, return of Donbas to them, etc. How long will all this be? Experience shows that as soon as our smaller brothers rise up, pride and overrated self-esteem immediately return.
    1. +9
      17 September 2015
      A plus. That's all right. We will help the "brothers" again, and then these "brothers" will not give a damn about us in the back.
    2. +2
      17 September 2015
      So it will all be unfortunately and will be, this teenager walks up with his independence and returns home.
    3. +5
      17 September 2015
      Quote: oldav
      Dear citizens! Think about it, to rake it all up for us. Who else needs them. Yesterday's "horses in the squares" will come to us with the eyes of a cat from Shrek and say that we really thought differently and Russia is our mother, save us from our problems, and we will love you with all our hearts. And it will start again;


      Who knows how it will be there.
      Here's a note, the author in the article, only SUPPLEMENTS, and not in relation to "galloping", but only in relation to OUR, without a doubt, the Donbass.

      "Integration of the galloping", or as the process is called in another way, is a matter of the distant future.
      Therefore your moaning is premature.
      1. +2
        17 September 2015
        Therefore, let them jump on, sin certainly says so, the natural selection of life itself will put everything in its place.
      2. -1
        17 September 2015
        Here's a note, the author in the article, only SUPPLEMENTS, and not in relation to "galloping", but only in relation to OUR, without a doubt, the Donbass.


        Donbass ... he is like that, I would not say right here is OUR.
        It’s not just everything, and it’s not clear what and how. Certainly there are much more people in our direction than in the rest of the Outskirts, but there are not so many bright prospects.
        And the question is:
        - Do we need him?
        Still open.
        Of course we help and we will help. How else ? But what would you say right now - OUR DONBASS ... this is not entirely true.
        But yes, we will not abandon the Donbass, and we will help and accept the "horses", and Syria and ... yes, many people.
        Political interests, the thing is not simple, sometimes you want, you don’t want to, help. )))
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    4. +4
      17 September 2015
      Nafig, nafig! There are no fools! It will be very difficult for the people to explain why they need to tighten their belts for the sake of those who rode whole squares and chanted "... for knives!" am
      1. +1
        17 September 2015
        It will be very difficult for the people to explain why they need to tighten their belts for the sake of those who rode whole squares and chanted "... on knives.


        Unfortunately, no one will explain anything to anyone.
        It's just that once again, as usual, prices for everything will soar, then and this will disappear and all explanations. Well, at worst, everything will be blamed on the "crisis" again. Not in the first.
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  7. +2
    17 September 2015
    ... A little more, a little more ... and they will have their last breath ... And they will rake their d ..- they themselves.
    1. +2
      17 September 2015
      No, as it seems, Russia will most likely have to rake it. This means to all of us whether anyone wants or does not want to.
  8. +2
    17 September 2015
    I wonder what the winter will be like this year..This is yes .. By the way, info in the web went Lyashko, called for impeachment Potroshenko ..
    1. +1
      17 September 2015
      parusnik "I wonder what winter will be this year .."
      While we are waiting for a harsh winter.))) All signs for that. We will see.)))
    2. +2
      17 September 2015
      Quote: parusnik
      .By the way here infa on the web went Lyashko, called for impeachment Potroshenko ..

      1155 th time ...
  9. +4
    17 September 2015
    The chief chief from the United States, Vice President Joe Biden, informed Kiev by telegram back in the summer that if there is no unity in parliament, then everything will be passed on ............ He will also "transfer". They are all "transferred" there.
  10. +2
    17 September 2015
    This simply will not come true, and on both sides of the confrontation
  11. +1
    17 September 2015
    Today Ukraine needs Donbass. And tomorrow it will need Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev. And if that happens, will updated Ukraine need Galicia?
  12. +6
    17 September 2015
    The second winter we are promised the end of the world and the collapse of the regime in Ukraine, but so far the junta, entrenched in Kiev, is beneficial to the overseas owners of the next Maidan or change of power will not happen. So they will drag Offal, Rabbit and Co. to toss alms in the form of loans.
  13. +4
    17 September 2015
    Rather, this bloodshed would end. Donbass should be free.
  14. +3
    17 September 2015
    Cool article. Everything is laid out on shelves. Deep and subtle! We look forward to continuing ... Winter is coming.
    1. 0
      17 September 2015
      Required. And the winter will surely be!
  15. +5
    17 September 2015
    Quote: oldav
    Dear citizens! Think about it, to rake it all up for us. Who else needs them. Yesterday's "horses in the squares" will come to us with the eyes of a cat from Shrek and say that we really thought differently and Russia is our mother, save us from our problems, and we will love you with all our hearts. And it will start again; cheap gas, free loans, investments, restoration of infrastructure, return of Donbas to them, etc. How long will all this be? Experience shows that as soon as our smaller brothers rise up, pride and overrated self-esteem immediately return.


    From this song ...
  16. +6
    17 September 2015
    Some kind of unequal exchange, we give them gas and coal, and they put dirt on us and sanctions, and overwinter, overwinter, it's good that the "aggressor" is not vindictive, and with a decrease in air temperature, the "aggressor" turns, turns into ... brothers and partners , in such cases it is important to change shoes on time
  17. +2
    17 September 2015
    Which of them is today the “beloved wife” of the US State Department is hard to say, but this is not Poroshenko. He failed the task of the State Department in the Donbas, and now he will answer for this with his political death, and perhaps not only political.
    Actually, he is the president at the moment, and that is why he is 100% beloved wife. Otherwise, the US ambassador would not have gone to Transcarpathia, to pacify local pravosek, would not have merged Benya and Nalyvaichenko.
    Moreover, Yanukovych relied on the units of "Golden Eagle" from the Russian-speaking southeastern regions of the country, which, albeit nominally, represented.
    Well, what then was the Lviv golden eagle on its knees ?! He relied on all the subdivisions of the Berkut, including those from the western regions. Again a finger to the sky.
    Poroshenko is now trying to remove from the elections the neo-Nazi party "Freedom" with Tyagnybok, and suddenly she receives unexpected support from ex-Prime Minister Tymoshenko (the "Fatherland" party), which stated that "Freedom" is not to blame for the tragic events of the Rada on August 31. This is another knife in the back of Poroshenko, because then the power becomes the responsibility of the Rada’s blood, that is, Poroshenko himself.
    Stunned, Julia has not affected anyone for a long time. She has 17 seats out of 225 in parliament. 2015 is in the yard, not 2012! The events of August 31 are a blow to Avakov in the first place. Which, together with Yatsenyuk, remained the last ones who are not under Petya yet.
  18. +2
    17 September 2015
    rather, yes, already officially. People are tired of the war ......... very tired. But we cannot be broken!
  19. +1
    17 September 2015
    I really hope for the prudence of the leadership of our country not to step on the rake again. Nothing to ruin. Nihai herself rises from her knees. While frank Russophobes are operating there, we have nothing to do there. And I believe that until the Zapadenskaya part breaks away from mainland Ukraine, it’s generally not worth it to meddle with help and capital.
  20. +2
    17 September 2015
    I liked the article. I do not agree with what the author says: "They ask for a discount .." They do not ask, they insult, swear, slander Russia. You need to ask apologizing, thanks and better crawling. Thanks for the topic.
  21. 0
    17 September 2015
    yeah, an island of oppression, from which they flee in both directions ... while the DPR looks like Somalia. The article does not reflect the reality of what is happening.
  22. +2
    17 September 2015
    Petka can no longer influence anything, but the retribution, meanwhile, is getting closer.
  23. +4
    17 September 2015
    Donbass will be the second Crimea
    Totally agree!!!
    Russia, as a kind mother. All children are dear to her: their own, and their foster children and orphans. Feed and water everyone ... Yes
    1. +2
      17 September 2015
      Quote: yuriy55
      Russia, as a kind mother. All children are dear to her: their own, and their foster children and orphans. Feed and water everyone ...

      Said heart slashed good And yet, with your permission I’ll add. In this and her RUSSIA greatness smile

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