F-35. Modify file

American military analyst David Ex reports in his blog that due to the expiration of the adoption of the declared number of the latest F-35 fighters in the US military, a "special" decision was made. According to Aks, the Pentagon is going to equip the US Air Force with F-35 fighter jets with an incomplete set of options. Adopt the US Air Force declared the number of aircraft with full option set in the near future will not work, because there is no money for it, and besides, not all of the "stuffing" of the aircraft passed the necessary refinement after a series of unsuccessful tests.

"Russian newspaper" presents a translation of a fragment of a message from David Ax:

It was a trick that the US military did not want to publicize. In order to meet the deadline, the possibilities of the F-35 had to be significantly limited - in particular, due to its ability to fight on equal terms with the newest planes of Russia and China. The plane, which the United States plans to present in January 2017, will be a weaker version of itself.

According to experts, full-fledged F-35 (with all previously declared functions) will be released in the series no earlier than 2019.

It is noteworthy that at about the same time as the Pentagon’s decision to start purchasing “trimmed” versions of the F-35 for the US Air Force, the Israel Defense Ministry published information about the decision to upgrade the American F-35 on its own. So, on the Israeli portal Globes A material has appeared which says that Israel has plans to increase the range of the F-35 by about half, for which special fuel tanks will be used. These tanks, according to the Israeli portal, will not reduce the streamlined body and will be integrated with the fuselage.

Israel has previously purchased the F-19 35 aircraft from the US, and also signed a contract to purchase another 14 fighter aircraft of the new generation. In this case, the pilots of Israel to the F-35 have a lot of complaints.

Considering that the USA is selling abroad obviously “raw” fighters, which these countries themselves have to bring to mind, the “bearded” anecdote about the need to “modify the file” seems relevant ...

Comments

[nebalagur]

"Saw Shura, Saw ..."

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: nebalagur

"Saw Shura, Saw ..."

F-35 is the coolest fighter in all times and peoples We believe!

[kocclissi]

F-35, f-35, instructions to read:

[Volga Cossack]

for sure - tsapu twist - tsapu))))) and what am I twisting ???? it is rusty; everything is rusty here - it is the most rusty))))))

[anokem]

I see only 2 pluses in the F-35 compared to the F-22:
1) "smart" pilot's helmet with built-in display
2) increased radius of action compared to F-22
In all other characteristics, the F-22 is superior to the F-35

[quote]

Quote: anokem

2) increased radius of action compared to F-22

Learn mat.chast!
F-22
Maximum speed: 2 410 km / h
Cruising speed: 1 963 km / h
Range: 2 960 km
F-35
Maximum speed: 1 930 km / h
Range: 2 220 km

[anokem]

I'm afraid that you have problems with knowledge of the materiel. 2960 km is a flight range with 2 hanging tanks, which deprive the aircraft of stealth capabilities. The combat radius of action is 760 km. Do you understand the difference between range and range?

[desant_doktor]

Comrade, comparing two aircraft with different mission destinations on the battlefield, is somewhat unreasonable, don't you find? F-22, a fighter for gaining dominance in the air, F-35 is a tactical aircraft, it has other goals. And about this mega helmet ... Somehow, the revelations of an American pilot flew the F-35 in a training battle with the F-16 and lost to him, by the way, wandered not so long ago. So, he frankly swore this helmet, saying that it is large, uncomfortable and there is close in it in the cockpit of the aircraft and there is no possibility to turn his head, which greatly reduces the view from the cockpit.

[anokem]

It was about the helmet of the British company BAE, which lost the Elbit helmet at the tender. There were no complaints about the Elbit helmet

[clidon]

- Availability of infrared sensors and OLS
- The radar has more modes of operation on the ground.
- Cheaper in production and operation.

Plus all this in three ways, not one.

[Welcome to hell]

The F-22 is a very good car, but the expensive one costs both the cost of the car itself and the maintenance, and the F-35 is not even worth it

[Kostyar]

Americans "are rooted to the spot" on almost all fronts !!!
Butting with the whole world (led by Russia), it's not for you to throw Indians with bows, bombs and missiles from afar !!! "Exceptional" you are our rams .....
And if We-Russia had the same military budget ....., do you smell (from your pants) ????

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Bone

Americans "are rooted to the spot" on almost all fronts !!!

They stand rooted to our borders.

[fox21h]

F-35. Modify file

To finish the file you need hands that would grow from the right place

[Jack-b]

Quote: fox21h

To finish the file you need hands that would grow from the right place

It is often said that a bunch of talented scientists and engineers left Russia for the West. And after this news, the question arises: where are they?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Jack-B

It is often said that a bunch of talented scientists and engineers left Russia for the West. And after this news, the question arises: where are they?

Do you remember the hockey championship in St. Petersburg, where our team did not lose only to the Belarusians? And before the championship they shouted that our entire team was NHL stars, that they would tear everyone, that we had a goat? ...

I think that the uncle who was the first to say that talent should be hungry was right on 200%. Well, of course, not to walk in animal skins, but "a well-fed belly is deaf to the doctrine." They are too greenhouse there for our conditions - so they don't play hockey, don't think with their heads, etc. Why, if you look at the American science of the 20th century, then all the polls are either fascists, exported from Germany in 45, or Chinese-Indians (also not the satiest places on the planet, especially in the 50-60s), or our , in the 90s rushed for bread. Well ate hamburgers, calmed down ...

[Maxom75]

An inquiring mind is usually in a fit body, and a full belly to the sciences is deaf - this is a fact, it is even difficult to argue here. One more thing, the Americans were so calmed by their superiority that they stopped thinking about the future, and the world is changing. We also need to move away from the model of a consumer society and change it to the paradigm of a society of creator, creator, inventor. It is not Ksyushu Sabakuchak that needs to be shown and exemplified, but people who move science and production into the future, so that from childhood they can put the right thoughts into the heads of children. Forgive this my personal opinion.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Maxom75

One more thing, the Americans were so calmed by their superiority that they stopped thinking about the future, and the world is changing.

Here, at VO, I have already written that their American problem is that they were not hammered into the institutes with Marxist-Leninist philosophy. After all, what is there? Unity and struggle of contradictions. Dualism, gentlemen ... If you don't know black, how to understand where is white. If you don't know cold, how do you know what is hot. Well, and so on. Contradictions cannot exist without each other - they create a balanced system. The USSR was a counterweight to the United States. The world was stable. There is no counterweight - no stable system. Is al-Qaeda in the same weight class as the Union? And Hussein or Gaddafi ?. The Americans were delighted, they spanked medals "For Victory in the Cold War", they even gave Humpback one. And then, the poor, did not understand that with the collapse of the USSR, Big Pi also came to them ... The counterweight was gone - the system was unstable. Now it’s their calmness that covers them with a copper basin ....

Remember - England and France fought for centuries (well, or competed - as you like), balancing each other, and were stable. And as soon as one hegemon appeared - Rome, Atilla, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler - you never know !!! Immediately the world is unstable, immediately the war, immediately Big Pi. And where are they all now? .

Still, the story viewed through the prism of philosophy is an instructive thing! But America does not know this and stubbornly follows the beaten path of all hegemons ...

[absurdity]

With regards to 35 it is also true, but in part. Here, the matter is rather what makes it a completely commercial structure for itself, but the main thing is that the aircraft is modular, they will finish it if it is a shock, there is no hurry.

[Rarahin]

Quote: Jack-B

And after this news, the question arises: where are they?

There, in the USA. They act according to the oath taken.

[Private Starley]

this is a bunch of talented saboteurs)))

[proletarian]

How is it where? Look closely, they hide "FILES" there.

[sso-xnumx]

Quote: fox21h

To finish the file you need hands that would grow from the right place

In the "Winners" detachment, under the command of Dmitry Medvedev, one Spaniard (from the Republicans) was a gunsmith, so that one from a bolt with a file a firing pin for a machine gun, instead of a broken one.

[vyinemeynen]

This is not from the "note of a partisan doctor" Tsesarsky / I have not met anyone who read this book!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: vyinemeynen

This is not from the "note of a partisan doctor" Tsesarsky / I have not met anyone who read this book!

I have not met Tsesarsky's notes, but I read Medvedev as a child - "Strong in spirit" and a cut-off version, for children - "It was near Rovno." There, and documents on the knee did better than in the Berlin printing house. And in general, a lot of things. I read voraciously, under the covers, with a flashlight ...

[Volga Cossack]

the right book - grew up on it!

[sso-xnumx]

Quote: Zoldat_A

"It was near Rovno." T

Absolutely right! It was in this book that this case was described. Maybe 30 times I reread this book!

[vyinemeynen]

Everything is like yours Tsesarsky (I.O. I don’t remember 35 years ago), a doctor from the Medvedev detachment wrote with a focus on medicine, very interestingly described the meeting with Kuznetsov. The book burned in a fire, but it's a pity! Daughter to read the time!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: vyinemeynen

The book burned in a fire, but it's a pity! Daughter to read the time!

http://royallib.com/author/medvedev_dmitriy.html

Books by D. Medvedev. In any format. Let read on health - useful and necessary.

[sso-xnumx]

Quote: vyinemeynen

this is not from the "note of the partisan doctor" Tsesarsky /

No. The book "It was near Rivne". And for Tsesarsky, thanks, all the same colleague, I will definitely look!

[Ezhaak]

Quote: fox21h

need hands to grow from the right place

In addition to higher education, you must have at least a secondary consideration and, at a minimum, primary education

[vodolaz]

Interestingly, will they ever finish it?

[Jack-b]

Quote: vodolaz

Interestingly, will they ever finish it?

This is the correct formulation of the question. In order to finish it correctly, they need to learn from Navalny. I think that for ridiculous money, he will teach them to cut correctly and they will finish it.

[solovey]

I think that they will not have time

[little girl15]

They don’t know how to bring a file, and they don’t have a sledgehammer and that same mom ...

[sso-xnumx]

Quote: Vovochka15

They don’t know how to bring a file, and they don’t have a sledgehammer and that same mom ...

That's right! Apart from "fak yu", "shit" and maza faker "they don't know anything else! To admins - please don't cut it out, this is not an insult, but just an example.

[Juborg]

Something is not entirely clean here. Somehow, suddenly and in chorus, they began to scold the most expensive project of the Stars-Stripes in history. Americans are not used to throwing money away and losing their image. Perhaps what is happening now, some kind of marketing ploy. Particularly alarming are phrases like, "we have to repair these planes almost every week" and the like. This is tantamount to buying an iPhone 6 and the seller will tell you only that you have to update the operating system every day, charge it for 12 hours daily, and do not take it with your hands without gloves, otherwise it will deteriorate. How do you like that. And by the way, Koreans and Jews are not the kind of people to buy a pig in a poke.

[your1970]

and in the 70s "flying coffins" in the air force of the then FRG? Which fell almost every other day? Or did the Germans suddenly suddenly move out of their heads, or did the United States somehow have an image on its side? Marketing move, yeah ...

F-104 was notorious for its high accident rate and even got the sad nickname “Widowmaker” (“Widowmaker”) and “Flying Coffin” (“flying coffin”) due to the large number of accidents [3]. The worst reputation Starfighter acquired in the German Air Force: in total, the West German Air Force entered the arsenal 916 aircraft (one third of all built), of which approximately 292 (i.e ~ 30%) were lost in flight accidents; 116 pilots died. In the worst period, the accident rate was 139 accidents at 100 000 hours [6]. The largest number of accidents occurred in the first years of operation, and further measures taken by the Air Force leadership led to a decrease in their number at the end of the 1960-s, but in the 1970-e about a dozen planes crashed every year. There was even a joke about how to get Starfighter: just buy a farm and wait for it to fall on it

[clidon]

And Mig-21 which in India do not know what to call. How many of them beat there?

PS The same F-104 did not always show miracles of accident.

[Awaz]

мой знакомый , когда то давно по линии ООН работал с американцами. С его слов , ихние вертолеты требуют слишком длительные и частые тех осмотры и обслуживание, в отличие от российских , которые летали в любое время и не требовали интенсивного обслуживания. Вероятно у них это есть часть каких то стандартов, которые навязаны и требуются для гарантийного обслуживания , а может без этого они летать не могут. А как вот они смогут воевать в случае реальной войны , когда нельзя будет в комфортных условиях обслуживать технику?

[sever.56]

A common thing in the US defense industry. Another hundred lard will be invested in the "revision" and after a while they admit that more is needed. A grand cut of the dough. And the Israelis turned out to be smarter, they know very well their main ally and patron in the West, as they do from thin air. Therefore, we decided that it would be cheaper and more efficient to modify the car ourselves. They know how to count money, this cannot be taken away from them.

[Shurik70]

in Israel, there are plans to increase the F-35 flight range by about half

What the heck is Israel's "range."
How long is the base F-35? 1900 km seems.
Here, spend 2000 km from Israel on a globe. Find out who he is going to bomb.

[FID]

Quote: Shurik70

How long is the base F-35? 1900 km seems.

The combat radius is 2 times less ...

[Shurik70]

Quote: SSI

Quote: Shurik70

How long is the base F-35? 1900 km seems.

The combat radius is 2 times less ...

Well, that's why he called 2000 km with a double range.
At a range of 3800 km, the battlefield will be 1900, rounded to 2000 (on a flat map, there will be distortions for any).

[FID]

Quote: Shurik70

Well, that's why he called 2000 km with a double range

I apologize...

[opus]

Quote: Shurik70

With a range of 3800 km, the battle will be 1900,

ferry range
F-35A: 2200 km
F-35B: 1670 km
F-35C: 2520 km
боевой радиус(без дозаправки и ПТБ) 1000км(+/-)

F-35A, designated AL-1, for Italy: took off at the Cameri Air Base in Italy and stayed in the air for 1 hour 22 minutes.
а в 2016 AL-1 совершит transatlantic flight to Luke air force base in Arizona from Italy.
Italian tanker KC-767A will be the first aircraft of this class, not owned by the U.S. Air Forcewho will be allowed to refuel F-35 fighters.

T.ch.

Quote: Shurik70

he bomb

he can and the USA, Arizona in particular

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The American edition of Defense News reports that a contract recently signed by Israel and Lockheed Martin to change the configuration of the F-35 aircraft includes not only the use of Israeli combat systems, but also an increase in flight range by 2a times (KPTB).

a new maintenance center is being established at the Nabatim Air Force Base in the Negev.

Other countries (except Israel) will be required to send aircraft for repairs to Lockheed Martin plants.

[Haettenschweiler]

Perhaps Israel needs less range than the amount of time a fighter can spend in the air without refueling. True, in this case, a natural question arises why they, the cunning Jews, nevertheless followed the lead of the United States and signed a contract for the supply of dull F-35s, which they, at their own expense, will have to modify, and did not buy completely ready-made ones from Russia and debugged "drying" or MiG'i. Perhaps they were afraid to become dependent on Russian supplies of parts and specialists for service? Or perhaps there are contracts with the US military that cannot be violated, even if you really want to. Be that as it may, the Jews have yet to regret this decision more than once.

[bulvas]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

why they, cunning Jews, nevertheless followed the lead of the United States and signed a contract for the supply of dull F-35s, which they, at their own expense, will have to modify, and did not buy from Russia completely ready and well-oiled "drying" or MiGs

firstly, they already have the finished and debugged F-15 and F-16
secondly, they buy planes with money allocated to them by the United States as military assistance

в третьих потребуется переход на российские стандарты со всеми вытекающими отсюда последствиями

So it’s better to be cunning than a complete idiot.

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And we will compare and judge the aircraft when our T-50 will be fully armed with the Russian Air Force and, possibly, in other countries

Do we hear a lot of information about the shortcomings of the T-50?

One who is far from sophisticated technology cannot even imagine how incredibly difficult it is to make such a super complex device as a modern combat aircraft work smoothly.

[voyaka uh]

"cunning Jews, nevertheless followed the lead of the United States and signed a contract
for the supply of dull F-35 "///

Jews checked other options before signing the contract.
There were only two of them: the latest wound modifications of the F-15 and F-18.
In terms of price, they were almost equal to the F-35, and in terms of capabilities, they were significantly
lagged behind. Israeli pilots were in the US and flew on f-35, as well
took a course on simulators.
A combat aircraft has individual capabilities and tactical collective.
For individual F-35 does not set records, but for tactical collective
significantly surpasses everything that the 4th generation can do.
This is demonstrated to the Israelis. And doubts have disappeared.
The Israeli Air Force is not based on aces. They try to ensure that all pilots (three interchangeable crews per aircraft) are able to fly with approximately the same complexity. And they worked smoothly in groups according to the developed tactics.

[katalonec2014]

If you look around, it will immediately become clear that Israel is the only country capable of finalizing and substantially improving this aircraft, but for this it will require funds and its own development, both of which Israel will have.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: voyaka uh

And they worked smoothly in groups according to the developed tactics.

Nice and clear comment, thanks.

[Aleksandr1959]

As far as I remember from Soviet literature, Israeli pilots had one of the largest raids in watches in the world. I don’t know now.
If so, then during the period of intensive exploitation a lot of things can come out. Here the Americans achieve several goals at the same time. And the plane gets rid of "fleas", and data on the operation of various flight personnel from different countries are received ... and no one canceled the money. A very pragmatic approach ... from the American side.

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

In terms of price, they were almost equal to the F-35, and in terms of capabilities, they were significantly

well, you say
Boeing F-15SE Silent Eagle: The development cost of F-15SE is estimated at $ 100m each.

digital electronic warfare (DEWS), radar with active electronic scanning AN / APG-63 (V) 3 and integrated helmet-mounted targeting system JHMCS (Joint Helmet Mourned Cueing System)

Boeing F / A-Hornet 2000

Raytheon AN / APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar, which is integrated with the aircraft's AN / ASQ-228 Advanced Targeting Forward Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) targeting pod from Raytheon; the Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS); the Multifunctional Information Distribution System
(MIDS); advanced high capacity computer system; and state-of-the-art cockpit.

Other systems onboard are the Raytheon AN / ALR-67 (V) 3 digital radar warning receiver (RWR), the BAE Systems / Exelis AN / ALQ-214 Integrated Defensive Countermeasures (IDECM), the BAE Systems AN / ALE-47 countermeasures dispenser , Raytheon AN / ALE-50 towed decoy, and the Rockwell Collins AN / ARC-210 VHF / UHF Airborne Communications System

$ 5,297 million US Navy multi-year procurement contract for 124 F / A-18E / F Super Hornets and EA-18G Growlers ...
в районе $43 млн/штука в 2010,пусть сейчас около $80 млн

/ No need to retrain, change the nomenclature of spare parts and accessories, etc. /

shock capabilities of the 18th and 15th simply can not be compared with the f-35

вероятно на 15 и 18 можно интегрировать MADL (Multifunction Advanced Data Link).
Here is AN / AAQ-37 no

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Everything is very simple:

Quote: opus

“The Jewish fist is made strong by the American steel glove covering it and the dollars filling it.”

кто платит,тот "девушку и танцует"

[opus]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

not so much a range is needed, but the time that a fighter can spend in the air without refueling

Yes it is one and the same.
Ferry range, as well as barrage, occurs at the optimum height with the highest possible economic speed.
Further, only the capabilities of the pilot's bladder and physiology

Quote: Haettenschweiler

but did not buy from Russia completely finished and well-oiled "drying" or MiG'i

?
why do they need it?
вся инфраструктура IAF , как и IAI заточена под американцев/НАТО

Quote: Haettenschweiler

Be that as it may, the Jews have yet to regret this decision more than once

doubt it.
1.Don't you regret it over the last 50 years?
2.“The Jewish fist is made strong by the American steel glove covering it and the dollars filling it.”

Source: Yeshayahou Leibowitz "Judaïsme et Israël" / Israel and Judaism /, p. 253.


есть "хитрый" особый режим финансирования в "Акте о контроле над экспортом оружия" от конгресса США, принятый в 1976 году.
Это примерно $2 000 000 000,00 в год дары и "займы", о которых очень быстро "забывают".....это база экономического чуда Израиля,его хай -тека,БПЛА(бла,бла бла) и побед



Pinhas Sapir, Israel's former finance minister, said in Jerusalem at the Jewish Billionaires' Conference (the annual Jewish billionaires club), that from 1949 to 1966, Israel received $ 7 billion.

Source: "The Israeli Economist", September 1967, No. 9.

compare:
Marshall Plan assistance provided by Western europe from 1948 to 1954, amounted to 13 billion dollars, that is, Israel, in which (then) fewer than two million people lived, received more than half of what 200 million Europeans received - a hundred times more per capita.

Professor Yeshayahou Leibowitz, from the Jewish University of Jerusalem, author of the fundamental work Foi de Maïmonide / Vera Maimonides / (ed. Cerf, Paris, 1992), for 20 years supervising the compilation of the Jewish Encyclopedia, in his book Israël et Judaïsme / Israel and Judaism /:
“We have a complete collapse can happen in one night. This is a consequence of complete stupidity, which made our whole existence dependent on American economic assistance ”(p. 225).
“Americans are only interested in maintaining here are armies of american mercenaries in the uniform of the tzahal"(P. 226).

If you consider only american fees, then from 1948 to 1967 the United States gave 435 dollars to every Israeli and 36 dollars to every Arab

[voyaka uh]

for opus:
Just add to your stats. what is the GDP of Israel
- 300 billion dollars a year.
US 3 billion - this, of course, ... nice, but not critical
for the development and defense of the country.
American aid was very valuable in the 70s and 80s
for defense and economics. Now it’s not so. Much more interesting now - wide
integration of American and Israeli defense industry firms. Which did not exist 30 years ago. This is more important than direct military assistance.

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

what is the GDP of Israel
- 300 billion dollars a year.

268 mlr. And not those TECH dollars, but the 1960s-70s. does it feel the difference?

Quote: voyaka uh

US 3 billion - this, of course, ... nice, but not critical

1.3 billion it was by 2001

сейчас ведь то по другому?
2. You are all "cunning". 2001
But 2,82 billion dollars of economic and military support to the Jewish state, additional assistance to Israel in fiscal year 2001 (started on October 1, 2000) was: 60 million dollars in the form of funds for the so-called re-resettlement of refugees, 250 million dollars from the budget of the ministry of defense and 85 million dollars in the form of mandatory interest. That is, the total amount is 3,215 billion dollars.

(For 50 years, American aid to Israel amounted to $ 81,3 billion.)
teh..dollarov)
3. Up to 22% military Israel's budget is formed at the expense of the United States.
За последние десять лет (на 2001) США продали Израилю оружия и снаряжения на $ 7,2 billion As a result, Israel has the largest number of F-16 Fighting Falcon fighters located outside the United States (237 aircraft); in addition, it ordered 102 of these fighters. For the period 1994 - 2001, the United States supplied Israel with almost 65 thousand automatic rifles
M-16, 2,5 thousand grenade launchers, 1,5 thousand machine guns.

Since 2011, Congress has allocated ONLY $ 703 million to design and manufacture Iron Dome installations.


In absolute figures for 2015, we are talking about 97 million (will go to the USA) out of $ 176 million (will remain to Israel).

5.Три миллиарда из 300, это как бы 1%- копейки,но!

Уровень дефицита государственного бюджета Израиля в 2015 будет увеличен up to 3,4% Bonus terms and conditions apply from GNP.
No matter how "penny"

Quote: voyaka uh

Now - not so

Yes Yes...

Moshe Feiglin: "Since we started to retreat (since 1979), the US has invested less and less in us."
to believe?

Quote: voyaka uh

This is more important than direct military assistance.

clear the stump.
Here the other day, your fellow tribesmen mocked at Russian UAVs (screw German Japanese motor, electronics, import substitution)
open the Israeli UAV ....
Well, not a surprise.
and LCD?

[voyaka uh]

for opus:
"268 mlr" ////

$ 286.840 billion (PPP 2014)
$ 305 707 billion (nominal 2014)
On average - 300, as I wrote.
In any case, I am glad that you are so thorough
study the economy of Israel. Thank. She is one of the fastest growing
(after Singapore) in the group of developed countries. You will find many interesting things.

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

that you are so thorough
study the economy of Israel

Why ONLY Israel?
If here (on the site) were from Papa Guinea and claimed

That is always antiresno

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Quote: voyaka uh

She is one of the fastest growing
(after Singapore) in the group of developed countries.

listen, enough is enough .. eh?
The 20 Fastest-Growing Economies This Year (Bloomberg version)

Do you have there in Israel, at least something is read, except for local nonsense?
You will soon be like the most, the most ..., to yourself and to yourself

China, Philippines, Kenya, India, Indonesia, Nigeria, Malaysia, Peru, Thailand and the UAE.
Singapore down there is the 20th, Israel doesn’t even smell
And in 2014 and in 2013 and so on.
you will not find Israel there ...
And in the future the same
according to the long-term forecast of HSBC Bank, by 2050 China will become the largest economy in the world, and India will take the second place. Both countries will overtake the United States. The fastest growing economies in the world will be the Philippines, which will catch up with Japan.

[Maxom75]

Всё намного проще. Израиль закупает самолёты в США, а потом в течении пяти лет получает финансовую помощь от США позволяющую покрыть на 70-80% издержки по покупке и эксплуатации. Короче Americans так хитро вооружают Израиль за свой счёт, чтобы свои налогоплательщики не бузели.

[Air Force captain]

If this is so ... and this is so ... I am calm for our sky!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Yes, take it already .. we won’t laugh hard ... Sberta someone at a double price.!

[Lumumba]

Yes, unfinished.
Yes, it's damp.
But they have already riveted more than 160 pieces.

And we have "the newest planes of Russia" 5 prototypes for 5 years on all MAKS only and carry, but they arrange window dressing, as with a bag of writing. It has long been possible to launch a series.

Right now, at the minus of hurray-patriots I ran into.

[jurassic61]

So they started sawing it before, I don’t feel any special joy either, everything is known in real comparison, will it ever be? may be...

[anderles66]

I repeat, as long as the topic of comparison is touched upon. There were joint Indian and British Air Force exercises. More precisely, training battles. Hindus - on Su. Brita are on Typhoons. The score is 12: 0 in favor of the Indians. Even those training battles were won when one "drying" against two "Typhoons". Something like this.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Lumumba

But they have already riveted more than 160 pieces.

So it’s good that so much! It would be better if more. They are defective.

[FID]

Quote: Lumumba

It has long been possible to run a series.

And get the same result? No, let them undergo a FULL test cycle and improvements ....

[Aleksandr1959]

I absolutely agree with you, Sergei Ivanovich, It is better to let all the bloopers come out on tests than they will then be in the ranks. In my memory, the case with the Su-25, when it was only in 1996 that it became clear that the X-25ML "slide" mode ... could not be controlled. And it turned out after the rocket fell 8 km from the Novovoronezh nuclear power plant.

[Aleksandr1959]

In May 1991, before the transfer of the Su-25T b.n 03, test pilot Colonel A.V. Pavlenko. representatives of the Sukhoi Design Bureau were categorically forbidden to turn on the ACS (on the Su-25T, unlike the Su-25, ACS was provided). About what Anatoly Vasilyevich told me after the flight over a "glass of tea". I find out that during the check before driving the ACS in test mode, the "ACS failure" was displayed. We connected the UPG. And ofigeli ... RUS went into an extremely forward position and wedged there. It could not be pulled out by "breaking", the ACS did not turn off with the red button on the RUS. Disabled this disgrace only switch "ACS Power" in the "off" position.
For two weeks the car was at the Kirovskoye airfield ... looking for malfunction. Found a broken wire in one of the blocks. Someone accidentally touched someone during the modifications. Replaced the wire, laid two more duplicates almost flew off the program using self-propelled guns. After driving the machine to Zhukovsky, flights with self-propelled guns were temporarily prohibited until the full test of self-propelled guns for fail-safe safety. These are the things that can come out during trials. This was during the State tests of the Su-25T.

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: Lumumba

It has long been possible to run a series.

Well, if it were possible, they would have already launched it.
There are problems with the engines - recently there was news about the fire at the T-50 during landing (it seems). So ours just work slowly, and they are doing the right thing, since the T-50 is primarily intended for "internal use", and this is much more important than collecting anything and trying to sell. It is easier for the Americans in this regard, many countries are "on the hook" - they will buy anything, there is nowhere to go.

[katalonec2014]

They are very expensive, and with regards to the f-22 and f-35 as the "master of the sky", in the opinion of many Western experts, the issue is very controversial, again, due to expensive exploitation, they are rarely used, and if necessary, they use the same f-15 and f-16.
It is quite possible these two factors were reflected in the reduction of the state order for PAK FA (the economic situation and the controversial superiority), it is damp, let it be brought to mind.

[NEXUS]

Everything went to this. The F-35 project "ate" a huge amount of money, while in fact the United States did not get a unified platform. I said that technology and science had not yet matured to create unified fighter platforms that could equally well to carry out the tasks of both a fighter, a boieber, an attack aircraft and a carrier. Today it is a utopia. But apparently amers had to go all this way to understand this. Well, the printing press will help them.

[Kosta]

I do not know why these nonsense is so praised here. Something at the gun level in 2019, everyone shouted URAA, in the end everything was fine with the gun.
Статьи где закидывают шапками одни и те же люди пишут. Дэвид Акс, дейв индус( national interest) и дейли бист. И откуда он знает какой он вообще будет в 2017 году? Его локхид информирует?
Maybe the plane is not the pinnacle of characteristics, but pray for clown articles whose name is already perceived as a joke in foreign forums and articles.
It's funny that the pilots disagree with him.

[vovanpain]

Finish with a file and with the help of some kind of mother

[andranick]

Modify file

let it overpower

with the help of some mother

But this is only our technology, they will not master! :)

[Oberon 1]

Самолетов произведено уже 150 штук. А где наших столько новейших ?

[Oleg14774]

Quote: oberon 1

Already produced 150 aircraft. And where are so many of our latest?

We do not need such "newest" ones for nothing. Their performance characteristics are at the level of generation 4.

[ermak.sidorov]

at generation level 4.

... does anyone know how many at least 29 MIGs we have in service in the ZVO ???

[NEXUS]

Quote: oberon 1

Самолетов произведено уже 150 штук. А где наших столько новейших ?

су-35,су-30 и очень скоро будет и ПАК ФА.А так же идут разработки нового перехватчика на смену МИГ-31(условно миг-41).Americans очень нервничают по поводу нового российского перехватчика,и даже озвучили скоростные ТТХ данного проекта-4,5-5 махов.При этом у нас нет такой роскоши как печатный станок и золотые запасы пол мира.Поэтому распилом или простым вбросом называть это вряд ли уместно.

[silver_roman]

Quote: NEXUS

even voiced the high-speed performance characteristics of this project, 4,5-5 max

complete nonsense. except within a few minutes of the flight.
if we talk about cruising speed, it is extremely unrealistic at heights, where air resistance is high.
These are new alloys of the case, new engines, that is a whole breakthrough in technology. So do not believe everything they write, especially (!!!) Africans

[_Plastun_]

Quote: Lumumba

Yes, unfinished.
Yes, it's damp.
But they have already riveted more than 160 pieces.
And we have "the newest planes of Russia" 5 prototypes for 5 years at all MAKS and only carry, but they arrange for show. It has long been possible to launch a series.

It is better to carry 5 prototypes for MAKS, than to finish raw iron. Do not step on other people's rakes. We have time to rivet the T-50, the main quality and reliability of the aircraft, and not their quantity.

[Oberon 1]

I agree . They must stamp their own dryers.

[ermak.sidorov]

Rivet T-50

Why immediately T-50? It is necessary to rivet, but not the T-50, but the fact that we have already "finalized" and pulls by 4 + ... +, even in a 1: 1 ratio, the bourgeois cannot overcome them, and in the meantime, modify and start riveting the T-50

[iliitchitch]

"... due to his ability to fight on an equal footing with the latest aircraft of Russia and China!"

Oh. Why then is he at all ??? Maybe something is wrong with the translation?

[Magic archer]

In fact, almost all new equipment comes in the "raw" part. But the question is not that. The Americans impose on all allies an aircraft that is not particularly superior to the same F-16! Which is 40 years older. ....

[rotmistr60]

full-fledged F-35s (with all previously announced features) will be released not earlier than 2019 of the year.

According to the Russian plan, the rearmament of the army should come to an end by this time. Let's see what the situation will be in the Air Force at that time.

[bmv04636]

О Евреи в этом преуспели. Крутится ведь надо, "светлые эльфы" ведь свое производить не дают вот и приходиться всякое гоуно ов брать и допиливать.

[tomket]

Curious. They adopt an aircraft with limited combat effectiveness, which is therefore not particularly impressive in its combat effectiveness. Except as experimental operation, this action cannot be called. It will be very interesting to listen to the opinion of Israeli pilots who will run this limited miracle.

[Lumumba]

Quote: _Plastun_

It is better to carry 5 prototypes for MAKS, than to finish raw iron. Do not step on other people's rakes. We have time to rivet the T-50, the main quality and reliability of the aircraft, and not their quantity.

I know very well by hears what our engineers are capable of when it is necessary to squeeze EVERYTHING out of iron. But since 2002, it has been developing (for 13 years already), and this is based on ready-made developments on Soviet projects - you’ll excuse me.

[_Plastun_]

speed is needed, when catching fleas ... sorry for the pun. A 5th generation plane to build, this is not a paper kite to fly into the air, in addition to the drawings of the plane, you still need to invent materials and much more.

[FID]

Quote: Lumumba

But since 2002, it has been developing (for 13 years already), and this is based on ready-made developments on Soviet projects - you’ll excuse me.

The entire aviation industry is floating upside down ... 2 planes a year to produce this is a shame for an aviation power .... But it happened when, apart from export dryers, ANYTHING was released!

[Aleksandr1959]

Moreover, for which, some countries of Southeast Asia, partially paid with palm oil. And in the press they explained that palm oil is an extremely necessary raw material for the defense industry.

[Kolka82]

Quote: Lumumba

Yes, unfinished.
Yes, it's damp.
But they have already riveted more than 160 pieces.

You know, I probably, as a pilot, would not have agreed to even approach him, not to mention the flight.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

OUR! What they do .... hooligan ...!

[Non-jumping]

Quote: MIKHAN

OUR! What they do .... hooligan ...!

In the first part of the video, not Russian fighters, but radio-controlled models of the Chinese J-10 fighter. This garbage has long been walking on YouTube.

[Oberon 1]

Сам вертикальный влет с помощью вентиллятора сомнителен

[krul]

no matter how "raw" or even "wet" the f 35 is, but this is the second fifth generation aircraft in the United States. At the same pace as the preparation of the Russian PAK FA is underway (according to some sources, delivery to the Russian Armed Forces is scheduled for the 17th year, and according to others, for the 20th year), America will already have 500 Ф35 aircraft, a bunch of raptors, and a conditional Ф50 aircraft ++ or already 5th). How are we still lagging behind Pechalka

[_Plastun_]

блин,да взять и построить "необычный" с виду самолет,как американцы.НАЗВАТЬ ЕГО САМОЛЕТОМ 5-го или 6-го ПОКОЛЕНИЯ,потратить или спи...ть на его постройку много денег,а как оно летать будет..насрать да?????
compare our 37th generation su-4 with f-35 ...

[anderles66]

Not so long ago, I read an analytics that claims to be a real reflection of statistics. And here is what I will tell you. The achievements of the Americans in real hostilities are not as impressive as they publicize about it (both real losses are higher and effectiveness of actions is lower). What am I doing? You can declare any plane any generation. This is also a PR and it can hit the impressionable. Only real combat operations can show the capabilities of equipment and, plus, the capabilities of flight personnel for the most part to squeeze the maximum out of technology. I can’t judge that we are ahead. As well as not ready to grieve over the backlog. I would not want to, but, I feel, a good weapons test is coming. Let's say that in the Middle East there are a lot of American and ours (now new, as they say).

[Wedmak]

And then it turns out that the file is in the wrong system.

[Mountain shooter]

The mattress toppers have already been supplied by superfighters called "Starfighter" to their allies. Most are in the FRG. And these allies shook, I can’t do it. It was a big scandal. But the money has already been divided.

[TOR2]

The mattress toppers decided to make a "knight's move". Themselves could not modify, the raw version is shoved into Israel, and then, like, they will buy out the modifications.

[stonks]

First, Israel has long been launching its own avionics aircraft received from the United States. Probably, also his own weapons.
Secondly, Israel, as far as I know, does not spend its money on the purchase of weapons from the United States. USA highlights irrevocable loans for the purchase of their weapons.

If not right - correct!

[Gormenghast]

They will file with a file ... but not the F-35, but the Pentagon budget; that's why it's so big and the results are so much smaller. Champions in the most expensive aircraft category; waiting for the next record.

[krul]

какое реальное отражение статистики??? ты никогда не узнаешь реального положения дел! все за 10 замками и семью печатями. То, что пишут в инете и говорят по ТВ, всего лишь информация, которую должен "схавать" зритель или пользователь. Вот говорят, что у нас мощнейший северный флот, гордость России ТАВКР адмирал флота Советского союза Кузнецов. Снимают передачи, как там все круто, мощно и самолетики взлетают. Но не говорят, что он еле-еле плавает, вот он не ходит, а именно плавает. Корабль и морально и физически устарел. Да можно поменять мозги, поставить новые современные ракеты, которые кстати на нем стоят, вооружение очень даже неплохое, но само железо уже все гнилое. Об этом факте почему то нигде не упоминается

[quote]

Quote: kroul

Yes, you can change the brain, but the iron itself is already all rotten.

Worst of all, when the head is rotten, the brain does not change.

Quote: kroul

For some reason, this fact is not mentioned anywhere.

When you say a fact, do not forget to provide it.
Fact please provide.

[evil partisan]

Well, finally reached the file! We thought for a long time ... With the help of this epic instrument, more than a dozen Soviet systems were brought to mind.

[Victor-M]

American military analyst David Aix reports on his blog that a “special” decision has been made in the US military due to the expiration of the deadline for adopting the declared number of the latest F-35 fighter jets. According to Ex, The Pentagon is going to arm the US Air Force with F-35 fighter jets with an incomplete set of optionsй

With the lack of a file?

[Lecha57]

Look, think, guess guys, and nobody will surpass Russian aerobatics. -Americans smoke.

[Non-jumping]

Lockheed Martin wouldn't mind "building" the F-35 forever.

[puskarinkis]

Under the existing economic system, the main thing is not a plane, but to snatch a contract and earn money, the product itself is secondary! And the States are also fighting in dollars (sanctions, banks, bribes, etc.)! Well, if only some natives were bombed (so that, God forbid, the equipment did not suffer and the reputation was not damaged), to test the weapon, or vice versa, to dispose of!

[Hello]

F 35 so long and hard watered with slop that I get the impression the plane will be good.

[Valkh]

Quote: anokem

I see only 2 pluses in the F-35 compared to the F-22:
1) "smart" pilot's helmet with built-in display
2) increased radius of action compared to F-22
In all other characteristics, the F-22 is superior to the F-35

Saw it! Shura, - cut!

[Alex Nick]

They have a problem with files. A plane without him a bunch of expensive iron. The dream of the Americans to be better than Russia will never come true.

[IAlex]

What do we need? Their turd - their problems, the more we have our own ...