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F-35. Modify file

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American military analyst David Ex reports in his blog that due to the expiration of the adoption of the declared number of the latest F-35 fighters in the US military, a "special" decision was made. According to Aks, the Pentagon is going to equip the US Air Force with F-35 fighter jets with an incomplete set of options. Adopt the US Air Force declared the number of aircraft with full option set in the near future will not work, because there is no money for it, and besides, not all of the "stuffing" of the aircraft passed the necessary refinement after a series of unsuccessful tests.


"Russian newspaper" presents a translation of a fragment of a message from David Ax:
It was a trick that the US military did not want to publicize. In order to meet the deadline, the possibilities of the F-35 had to be significantly limited - in particular, due to its ability to fight on equal terms with the newest planes of Russia and China. The plane, which the United States plans to present in January 2017, will be a weaker version of itself.




According to experts, full-fledged F-35 (with all previously declared functions) will be released in the series no earlier than 2019.

It is noteworthy that at about the same time as the Pentagon’s decision to start purchasing “trimmed” versions of the F-35 for the US Air Force, the Israel Defense Ministry published information about the decision to upgrade the American F-35 on its own. So, on the Israeli portal Globes A material has appeared which says that Israel has plans to increase the range of the F-35 by about half, for which special fuel tanks will be used. These tanks, according to the Israeli portal, will not reduce the streamlined body and will be integrated with the fuselage.

Israel has previously purchased the F-19 35 aircraft from the US, and also signed a contract to purchase another 14 fighter aircraft of the new generation. In this case, the pilots of Israel to the F-35 have a lot of complaints.

Considering that the USA is selling abroad obviously “raw” fighters, which these countries themselves have to bring to mind, the “bearded” anecdote about the need to “modify the file” seems relevant ...
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  1. nebalagur
    nebalagur 16 September 2015 13: 07 New
    +6
    "Cut the Shura, cut ..." laughing
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 16 September 2015 13: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: nebalagur
      "Cut the Shura, cut ..." laughing

      F-35 is the coolest fighter in all times and peoples We believe!
      1. kocclissi
        kocclissi 16 September 2015 13: 26 New
        +6
        F-35, f-35, instructions to read:
        1. Volga Cossack
          Volga Cossack 16 September 2015 15: 52 New
          +1
          for sure - tsapu twist - tsapu))))) and what am I twisting ???? it is rusty; everything is rusty here - it is the most rusty))))))
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      2. anokem
        anokem 16 September 2015 15: 03 New
        -2
        I see only 2 pluses in the F-35 compared to the F-22:
        1) smart pilot helmet with integrated display
        2) increased radius of action compared to F-22
        In all other characteristics, the F-22 is superior to the F-35
        1. quote
          quote 16 September 2015 15: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: anokem
          2) increased radius of action compared to F-22

          Learn mat.chast!
          F-22
          Maximum speed: 2 410 km / h
          Cruising speed: 1 963 km / h
          Range: 2 960 km
          F-35
          Maximum speed: 1 930 km / h
          Range: 2 220 km
          1. anokem
            anokem 16 September 2015 22: 37 New
            +4
            I'm afraid that you have problems with knowledge of the materiel. 2960 km is a flight range with 2 hanging tanks, which deprive the aircraft of stealth capabilities. The combat radius of action is 760 km. Do you understand the difference between range and range?
        2. desant_doktor
          desant_doktor 16 September 2015 17: 03 New
          0
          Comrade, comparing two aircraft with different mission destinations on the battlefield, is somewhat unreasonable, don't you find? F-22, a fighter for gaining dominance in the air, F-35 is a tactical aircraft, it has other goals. And about this mega helmet ... Somehow, the revelations of an American pilot flew the F-35 in a training battle with the F-16 and lost to him, by the way, wandered not so long ago. So, he frankly swore this helmet, saying that it is large, uncomfortable and there is close in it in the cockpit of the aircraft and there is no possibility to turn his head, which greatly reduces the view from the cockpit.
          1. anokem
            anokem 16 September 2015 22: 38 New
            +1
            It was about the helmet of the British company BAE, which lost the Elbit helmet at the tender. There were no complaints about the Elbit helmet
        3. clidon
          clidon 16 September 2015 22: 36 New
          0
          - Availability of infrared sensors and OLS
          - The radar has more modes of operation on the ground.
          - Cheaper in production and operation.

          Plus all this in three ways, not one.
        4. Welcome to hell
          Welcome to hell 16 September 2015 23: 41 New
          0
          The F-22 is a very good car, but the expensive one costs both the cost of the car itself and the maintenance, and the F-35 is not even worth it
    2. Kostyar
      Kostyar 16 September 2015 13: 18 New
      +14
      Amerikosy "stand in their tracks" on almost all fronts !!!
      Butting the whole world (led by Russia), this is not for you Indians with bows, bombs and missiles to throw from afar !!! "Exceptional" you are our sheep .....
      And if We-Russia had the same military budget ....., do you smell (from your pants) ????
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 16 September 2015 14: 23 New
        +14
        Quote: Bone
        Amerikosy "stand in their tracks" on almost all fronts !!!

        They stand rooted to our borders.
    3. fox21h
      fox21h 16 September 2015 13: 20 New
      +9
      F-35. Modify file

      To finish the file you need hands that would grow from the right place
      1. Jack-b
        Jack-b 16 September 2015 13: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: fox21h
        To finish the file you need hands that would grow from the right place

        It is often said that a bunch of talented scientists and engineers left Russia for the West. And after this news, the question arises: where are they?
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 16 September 2015 14: 17 New
          +10
          Quote: Jack-B
          It is often said that a bunch of talented scientists and engineers left Russia for the West. And after this news, the question arises: where are they?

          Do you remember the hockey championship in St. Petersburg, where our team did not lose only to the Belarusians? And before the championship they shouted that our entire team was NHL stars, that they would tear everyone, that we had a goat? ...

          I think that the uncle who was the first to say that talent should be hungry was right on 200%. Well, of course, not to walk in animal skins, but the "well-fed belly is deaf to learning." Too hothouse there for our conditions - they don’t play hockey, they don’t think with their heads, etc. Why, if you look at the American science of the 20 century, then everything is completely either fascists exported from Germany to 45, or Chinese Indians (also not the most well-fed places on the planet, especially to 50-60), or ours , in 90's rushed for bread. Well ate hamburgers, calmed down ...
          1. Maxom75
            Maxom75 16 September 2015 14: 39 New
            +14
            An inquiring mind is usually in a fit body, and a full belly to the sciences is deaf - this is a fact, it is even difficult to argue here. One more thing, the Americans were so calmed by their superiority that they stopped thinking about the future, and the world is changing. We also need to move away from the model of a consumer society and change it to the paradigm of a society of creator, creator, inventor. It is not Ksyushu Sabakuchak that needs to be shown and exemplified, but people who move science and production into the future, so that from childhood they can put the right thoughts into the heads of children. Forgive this my personal opinion.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 16 September 2015 14: 59 New
              +10
              Quote: Maxom75
              One more thing, the Americans were so calmed by their superiority that they stopped thinking about the future, and the world is changing.

              I already wrote here at VO that their American misfortune is that they were not hammered into the institutions of Marxist-Leninist philosophy. After all, what is there? Unity and the struggle of contradictions. Dualism, sir gentlemen ... If you do not know black, how to understand where white is. If you don’t know the cold, how to find out what is hot. Well, and so on. Contradictions cannot exist without each other - they create a balanced system. The USSR was a counterweight to the United States. The world was stable. There was no counterweight - there was no stable system. Is al Qaeda really one weight category with the Union? And Hussein or Gaddafi ?. The Americans were delighted, they slammed the medals "For Victory in the Cold War", they even gave one to Gorbatov. And the poor ones didn’t understand that with the collapse of the USSR and Big Pi also came to them ... The counterweight was gone - the system is unstable. Now it’s their calmness that covers them with a copper basin ....

              Remember - England and France fought for centuries (well, or competed - as you like), balancing each other, and were stable. And as soon as one hegemon appeared - Rome, Atilla, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler - you never know !!! Immediately the world is unstable, immediately the war, immediately Big Pi. And where are they all now? .

              Still, the story viewed through the prism of philosophy is an instructive thing! But America does not know this and stubbornly follows the beaten path of all hegemons ...
          2. Absurdidat
            Absurdidat 16 September 2015 14: 58 New
            0
            With regards to 35 it is also true, but in part. Here, the matter is rather what makes it a completely commercial structure for itself, but the main thing is that the aircraft is modular, they will finish it if it is a shock, there is no hurry.
        2. Rarahin
          Rarahin 16 September 2015 15: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: Jack-B
          And after this news, the question arises: where are they?

          There, in the USA. They act according to the oath taken. bully
        3. Private Starley
          Private Starley 16 September 2015 18: 05 New
          0
          this is a bunch of talented saboteurs)))
        4. proletarian
          proletarian 16 September 2015 21: 43 New
          0
          How is it where? Yes, you take a closer look, they hide the “FILES” there.
      2. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 16 September 2015 13: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: fox21h
        To finish the file you need hands that would grow from the right place

        In the Pobediteli detachment, under the command of Dmitry Medvedev, a Spaniard (from the Republicans) was a gunsmith, so he turned a firing pin for a machine gun from a bolt in exchange for a broken one.
        1. vyinemeynen
          vyinemeynen 16 September 2015 13: 52 New
          +1
          hi this is not from the note of the partisan doctor Cesarsky / did not meet the reader of this book!
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 16 September 2015 15: 05 New
            +4
            Quote: vyinemeynen
            this is not from the note of the partisan doctor Cesarsky / did not meet the reader of this book!

            I didn’t meet Cesarsky’s notes, but I read Medvedev as a child - “Strong in spirit” and a cropped version, for children - “It was near Rivne”. There, documents on the knee did better than in the Berlin printing house. And indeed a lot of things. I read voraciously, under the covers, with a flashlight ...
            1. Volga Cossack
              Volga Cossack 16 September 2015 15: 54 New
              +3
              the right book - grew up on it!
            2. sso-xnumx
              sso-xnumx 16 September 2015 16: 25 New
              0
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              "It was near Rivne." T

              Absolutely right! It was in this book that this case was described. Maybe 30 times I reread this book!
            3. vyinemeynen
              vyinemeynen 16 September 2015 17: 32 New
              0
              Everything is like yours hi Tsesarsky (I.O. I don’t remember 35 years ago), a doctor from the Medvedev detachment wrote with a focus on medicine, very interestingly described the meeting with Kuznetsov. The book burned in a fire, but it's a pity! Daughter to read the time!
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 16 September 2015 21: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: vyinemeynen
                The book burned in a fire, but it's a pity! Daughter to read the time!

                http://royallib.com/author/medvedev_dmitriy.html

                Books by D. Medvedev. In any format. Let read on health - useful and necessary. hi
          2. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx 16 September 2015 16: 27 New
            0
            Quote: vyinemeynen
            this is not from the note of the partisan doctor "Caesarsky /

            No. The book "It was under Exactly." And for Cesarsky, thanks, all the same colleague, I will definitely look for you!
      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 16 September 2015 14: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: fox21h
        need hands to grow from the right place

        In addition to higher education, you must have at least a secondary consideration and, at a minimum, primary education
    4. vodolaz
      vodolaz 16 September 2015 13: 30 New
      +2
      Interestingly, will they ever finish it?
      1. Jack-b
        Jack-b 16 September 2015 13: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: vodolaz
        Interestingly, will they ever finish it?

        This is the correct formulation of the question. In order to finish it correctly, they need to learn from Navalny. I think that for ridiculous money, he will teach them to cut correctly and they will finish it.
      2. solovey
        solovey 16 September 2015 13: 45 New
        +1
        I think that they will not have time lol
    5. little girl15
      little girl15 16 September 2015 13: 41 New
      +4
      They don’t know how to bring a file, and they don’t have a sledgehammer and that same mom ...
      1. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 16 September 2015 16: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Vovochka15
        They don’t know how to bring a file, and they don’t have a sledgehammer and that same mom ...

        That's right! Okromya "fak yu", "shit" and maza faker "do not know anything else! Admins - please do not cut, this is not an insult, but just an example.
    6. Juborg
      Juborg 16 September 2015 14: 52 New
      0
      Something here is not entirely clean. Somehow, suddenly and in chorus, the most expensive star-striped project in history began to be scolded. Americans are not used to throwing money away or losing their image. Perhaps what is happening now, some kind of marketing ploy. Particularly alarming are phrases like, "we have to repair these planes almost every week" and the like. This is tantamount to buying an iPhone 6 and the seller will tell you only you have to update the OS every day, charge it 12 hours a day, and don’t take it with your hands without gloves, otherwise it will go bad. How do you like that. By the way, Koreans and Jews are not the right people to buy a pig in a poke.
      1. your1970
        your1970 16 September 2015 18: 04 New
        +1
        and in the 70’s “flying coffins” in the air force of the then Federal Republic of Germany? Which fell almost a day later? Or did the Germans suddenly abruptly move from behind, or did the USA somehow have an image on one side? Marketing move-yeah ...

        F-104 was notorious for its high accident rate and even got the sad nickname “Widowmaker” (“Widowmaker”) and “Flying Coffin” (“flying coffin”) due to the large number of accidents [3]. The worst reputation Starfighter acquired in the German Air Force: in total, the West German Air Force entered the arsenal 916 aircraft (one third of all built), of which approximately 292 (i.e ~ 30%) were lost in flight accidents; 116 pilots died. In the worst period, the accident rate was 139 accidents at 100 000 hours [6]. The largest number of accidents occurred in the first years of operation, and further measures taken by the Air Force leadership led to a decrease in their number at the end of the 1960-s, but in the 1970-e about a dozen planes crashed every year. There was even a joke about how to get Starfighter: just buy a farm and wait for it to fall on it
        1. clidon
          clidon 16 September 2015 22: 38 New
          0
          And Mig-21 which in India do not know what to call. How many of them beat there?

          PS The same F-104 did not always show miracles of accident.
      2. Awaz
        Awaz 17 September 2015 00: 08 New
        0
        My friend, once upon a time in the UN, worked with the Americans. According to him, their helicopters require too long and frequent inspections and maintenance, unlike Russian ones, which flew at any time and did not require intensive maintenance. Probably they have it is part of some kind of standards that are imposed and required for warranty service, or maybe they cannot fly without it. But how can they fight in the event of a real war, when it will not be possible to maintain equipment in comfortable conditions?
  2. sever.56
    sever.56 16 September 2015 13: 08 New
    +5
    The usual thing in the "defense" of the United States. A hundred lards will be invested a hundred in “refinement” and after some time they will recognize that more is needed. The grand dough cut. But the Israelis turned out to be smarter, they know perfectly well their main ally and patron in the West, as they do grandmothers from the air. Therefore, they decided that it would be cheaper and more efficient to modify the machine themselves. They know how to count money, this cannot be taken from them.
  3. Shurik70
    Shurik70 16 September 2015 13: 08 New
    +4
    in Israel, there are plans to increase the F-35 flight range by about half

    That fuck Israel "range."
    How long is the base F-35? 1900 km seems.
    Here, spend 2000 km from Israel on a globe. Find out who he is going to bomb.
    1. FID
      FID 16 September 2015 13: 14 New
      +7
      Quote: Shurik70
      How long is the base F-35? 1900 km seems.

      The combat radius is 2 times less ...
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 16 September 2015 13: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: SSI
        Quote: Shurik70
        How long is the base F-35? 1900 km seems.

        The combat radius is 2 times less ...


        Well, that's why he called 2000 km with a double range.
        At a range of 3800 km, the battlefield will be 1900, rounded to 2000 (on a flat map, there will be distortions for any).
        1. FID
          FID 16 September 2015 13: 38 New
          +4
          Quote: Shurik70
          Well, that's why he called 2000 km with a double range

          I apologize...
        2. opus
          opus 16 September 2015 14: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Shurik70
          With a range of 3800 km, the battle will be 1900,

          ferry range
          F-35A: 2200 km
          F-35B: 1670 km
          F-35C: 2520 km
          combat radius (without refueling and PTB) 1000km (+/-)

          F-35A, designated AL-1, for Italy: took off at the Cameri Air Base in Italy and stayed in the air for 1 hour 22 minutes.
          and in 2016 AL-1 will commit transatlantic flight to Luke air force base in Arizona from Italy.
          Italian tanker KC-767A will be the first aircraft of this class, not owned by the U.S. Air Forcewho will be allowed to refuel F-35 fighters.

          T.ch.
          Quote: Shurik70
          he bomb
          he can and the USA, Arizona in particular

          =========================================
          The American edition of Defense News reports that a contract recently signed by Israel and Lockheed Martin to change the configuration of the F-35 aircraft includes not only the use of Israeli combat systems, but also an increase in flight range by 2a times (KPTB).

          a new maintenance center is being created at the Nabatim air force base in the Negev

          Other countries (except Israel) will be required to send aircraft for repairs to Lockheed Martin plants.
    2. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 16 September 2015 13: 15 New
      +6
      Perhaps Israel needs not so much a range as time that a fighter can spend in the air without refueling. True, in this case, a logical question arises: why did they, cunning Jews, nevertheless follow the lead of the United States and sign a contract for the supply of dull F-35s, which they, at their own expense, would have to modify, and did not buy completely ready-made from Russia and debugged "drying" or MiG'i. Perhaps you were afraid to become dependent on Russian supplies of parts and service specialists? And perhaps there are contracts with the US military that cannot be violated, even if you really want to. Be that as it may, the Jews have yet to regret this decision more than once.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 16 September 2015 13: 34 New
        +12
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        why did they, cunning Jews, nevertheless follow the lead of the United States and sign a contract for the delivery of dull F-35s, which they, at their own expense, would have to modify, and did not buy completely ready-made and well-established “dryers” or MiGs from Russia



        firstly, they already have the finished and debugged F-15 and F-16
        secondly, they buy planes with money allocated to them by the United States as military assistance

        thirdly, a transition to Russian standards with all the ensuing consequences will be required

        So it’s better to be cunning than a complete idiot.

        ---------------------

        And we will compare and judge the aircraft when our T-50 will be fully armed with the Russian Air Force and, possibly, in other countries

        Do we hear a lot of information about the shortcomings of the T-50?

        One who is far from sophisticated technology cannot even imagine how incredibly difficult it is to make such a super complex device as a modern combat aircraft work smoothly.






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      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 16 September 2015 13: 48 New
        +15
        "cunning Jews, nevertheless went on about the US and signed a contract
        for the delivery of dull F-35 "///

        Jews checked other options before signing the contract.
        There were only two of them: the latest wound modifications of the F-15 and F-18.
        In terms of price, they were almost equal to the F-35, and in terms of capabilities, they were significantly
        lagged behind. Israeli pilots were in the US and flew on f-35, as well
        took a course on simulators.
        A combat aircraft has individual capabilities and tactical collective.
        For individual F-35 does not set records, but for tactical collective
        significantly surpasses everything that the 4th generation can do.
        This is demonstrated to the Israelis. And doubts have disappeared.
        The Israeli Air Force is not based on aces. They try to ensure that all pilots (three interchangeable crews per aircraft) are able to fly with approximately the same complexity. And they worked smoothly in groups according to the developed tactics.
        1. katalonec2014
          katalonec2014 16 September 2015 14: 18 New
          +3
          If you look around, it will immediately become clear that Israel is the only country capable of finalizing and substantially improving this aircraft, but for this it will require funds and its own development, both of which Israel will have.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 16 September 2015 14: 34 New
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And they worked smoothly in groups according to the developed tactics.

          Nice and clear comment, thanks.
        3. Aleksandr1959
          Aleksandr1959 16 September 2015 14: 47 New
          +2
          As far as I remember from Soviet literature, Israeli pilots had one of the largest raids in watches in the world. I don’t know now.
          If so, then during the period of intensive exploitation can get a lot of things. Here the Americans achieve several goals at the same time. And the plane licks from the “fleas”, and data on the operation of various flight personnel from different countries get ... and no one canceled the money. A very pragmatic approach ... from the Americans.
        4. opus
          opus 16 September 2015 14: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          In terms of price, they were almost equal to the F-35, and in terms of capabilities, they were significantly

          well, you say
          Boeing F-15SE Silent Eagle: The development cost of F-15SE is estimated at $ 100m each.

          digital electronic warfare (DEWS), radar with active electronic scanning AN / APG-63 (V) 3 and integrated helmet-mounted targeting system JHMCS (Joint Helmet Mourned Cueing System)

          Boeing F / A-Hornet 2000

          Raytheon AN / APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar, which is integrated with the aircraft's AN / ASQ-228 Advanced Targeting Forward Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) targeting pod from Raytheon; the Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS); the Multifunctional Information Distribution System
          (MIDS); advanced high capacity computer system; and state-of-the-art cockpit.

          Other systems onboard are the Raytheon AN / ALR-67 (V) 3 digital radar warning receiver (RWR), the BAE Systems / Exelis AN / ALQ-214 Integrated Defensive Countermeasures (IDECM), the BAE Systems AN / ALE-47 countermeasures dispenser , Raytheon AN / ALE-50 towed decoy, and the Rockwell Collins AN / ARC-210 VHF / UHF Airborne Communications System

          $ 5,297 million US Navy multi-year procurement contract for 124 F / A-18E / F Super Hornets and EA-18G Growlers ...
          in the region of $ 43 million / piece in 2010, let now about $ 80 million

          / No need to retrain, change the nomenclature of spare parts and accessories, etc. /

          shock capabilities of the 18th and 15th simply can not be compared with the f-35

          probably on 15 and 18 you can integrate MADL (Multifunction Advanced Data Link).
          Here is AN / AAQ-37 no

          ================================================== =======
          Everything is very simple:
          Quote: opus
          “The Jewish fist is made strong by the American steel glove covering it and the dollars filling it.”

          who pays, that "girl and dances"
      4. opus
        opus 16 September 2015 14: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        not so much a range is needed, but the time that a fighter can spend in the air without refueling

        Yes it is one and the same.
        Ferry range, as well as barrage, occurs at the optimum height with the highest possible economic speed.
        Further, only the capabilities of the pilot's bladder and physiology
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        but didn’t buy completely ready and debugged “drying” or MiG’s from Russia

        ?
        why do they need it?
        the entire infrastructure of the IAF, like the IAI, is tailored for Americans / NATO
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        Be that as it may, the Jews have yet to regret this decision more than once

        doubt it.
        1.Don't you regret it over the last 50 years?
        2.“The Jewish fist is made strong by the American steel glove covering it and the dollars filling it.”

        Source: Yeshayahou Leibowitz "Judaïsme et Israël" / Israel and Judaism /, p. 253.


        there is a "tricky" special financing regime in the "Congress on Arms Export Controls" from the US Congress, adopted in 1976.
        This is about $ 2 per year gifts and "loans", which are "forgotten" very quickly ..... this is the basis of the Israeli economic miracle, its high-tech, UAV (blah, blah blah) and victories



        Pinhas Sapir, the former Minister of Finance of Israel, said in Jerusalem at the "Conference of Jewish billionaires" (the annual gathering of "Jewish billionaires club"), that from 1949 to 1966, Israel received $ 7 billion.

        Source: "The Israeli Economist", September 1967, No. 9.

        compare:
        Marshall Plan assistance provided Western europe from 1948 to 1954, amounted to 13 billion dollars, that is, Israel, in which (then) fewer than two million people lived, received more than half of what 200 million Europeans received - a hundred times more per capita.

        Professor Yeshayahou Leibowitz, of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, author of the fundamental work Foi de Maïmonide / Vera Maimonides / (ed. Cerf, Paris, 1992), who has led the compilation of the Jewish Encyclopedia for 20 years, in his book Israël et Judaïsme / Israel and Judaism /:
        “We have a complete collapse can happen in one night. This is a consequence of complete stupidity, which made our whole existence dependent on American economic assistance ”(p. 225).
        “Americans are only interested in maintaining here are armies of american mercenaries in the uniform of the tzahal"(P. 226).


        If you consider only american fees, then from 1948 to 1967 the United States gave 435 dollars to every Israeli and 36 dollars to every Arab
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 16 September 2015 14: 58 New
          +3
          for opus:
          Just add to your stats. smile what is the GDP of Israel
          - 300 billion dollars a year.
          US 3 billion - this, of course, ... nice, but not critical
          for the development and defense of the country.
          American aid was very valuable in the 70s and 80s
          for defense and economics. Now it’s not so. Much more interesting now - wide
          integration of American and Israeli defense industry firms. Which did not exist 30 years ago. This is more important than direct military assistance.
          1. opus
            opus 16 September 2015 18: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            what is the GDP of Israel
            - 300 billion dollars a year.

            268 mlr. And not those TECH dollars, but the 1960s-70s. does it feel the difference?

            Quote: voyaka uh
            US 3 billion - this, of course, ... nice, but not critical

            1.3 billion it was by 2001

            is it different now?
            2. You are all "cunning." 2001
            But 2,82 billion dollars of economic and military support to the Jewish state, additional assistance to Israel in fiscal year 2001 (started on October 1, 2000) was: 60 million dollars in the form of funds for the so-called re-resettlement of refugees, 250 million dollars from the budget of the ministry of defense and 85 million dollars in the form of mandatory interest. That is, the total amount is 3,215 billion dollars.

            (For 50 years, American aid to Israel amounted to $ 81,3 billion.)
            teh..dollarov)
            3. Up to 22% military Israel's budget is formed at the expense of the United States.
            Over the past ten years (2001), the United States has sold weapons and equipment to Israel $ 7,2 billion As a result, Israel has the largest number of F-16 Fighting Falcon fighters located outside the United States (237 aircraft); in addition, it ordered 102 of these fighters. For the period 1994 - 2001, the United States supplied Israel with almost 65 thousand automatic rifles
            M-16, 2,5 thousand grenade launchers, 1,5 thousand machine guns.


            Since 2011, Congress has allocated ONLY $ 703 million to design and manufacture Iron Dome installations.


            In absolute figures for 2015, we are talking about 97 million (will go to the USA) out of $ 176 million (will remain to Israel).

            5. Three billion out of 300, it’s like 1% - a penny, but!

            The level of the state budget deficit in Israel in 2015 will be increased up to 3,4% Bonus terms and conditions apply from GNP.
            No matter how "penny" hi
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Now - not so

            Yes Yes...

            Moshe Feiglin: “Since we began to retreat (since 1979), the United States has been investing less and less in us.”
            to believe?

            Quote: voyaka uh
            This is more important than direct military assistance.

            clear the stump.
            Here the other day, your fellow tribesmen mocked at Russian UAVs (screw German Japanese motor, electronics, import substitution)
            open the Israeli UAV ....
            Well, not a surprise.
            and LCD?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 16 September 2015 18: 46 New
              0
              for opus:
              "268 mlr" ////

              $ 286.840 billion (PPP 2014)
              $ 305 707 billion (nominal 2014)
              On average - 300, as I wrote.
              In any case, I am glad that you are so thorough
              study the economy of Israel. Thank. She is one of the fastest growing
              (after Singapore) in the group of developed countries. You will find many interesting things.
              1. opus
                opus 16 September 2015 19: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                that you are so thorough
                study the economy of Israel

                Why ONLY Israel?
                If here (on the site) were from Papu Guinea and claimed





                That is always antiresno


                ==============================================

                Quote: voyaka uh
                She is one of the fastest growing
                (after Singapore) in the group of developed countries.

                listen, enough is enough .. eh?
                The 20 Fastest-Growing Economies This Year (Bloomberg version)


                Do you have there in Israel, at least something is read, except for local nonsense?
                You will soon be like the most, the most ..., to yourself and to yourself

                China, Philippines, Kenya, India, Indonesia, Nigeria, Malaysia, Peru, Thailand and the UAE.
                Singapore down there is the 20th, Israel doesn’t even smell
                And in 2014 and in 2013 and so on.
                you will not find Israel there ...
                And in the future the same
                according to the long-term forecast of HSBC Bank, by 2050 China will become the largest economy in the world, and India will take the second place. Both countries will overtake the United States. The fastest growing economies in the world will be the Philippines, which will catch up with Japan.
      5. Maxom75
        Maxom75 16 September 2015 14: 44 New
        +1
        Everything is much simpler. Israel buys planes in the United States, and then for five years receives financial assistance from the United States to cover 70-80% of the costs of purchase and operation. In short, the Americans are so cunningly arming Israel at their own expense so that their taxpayers are not bushes.
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  4. Air Force captain
    Air Force captain 16 September 2015 13: 08 New
    0
    If this is so ... and this is so ... I am calm for our sky!
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 September 2015 13: 09 New
    +2
    Yes, take it already .. we won’t laugh hard ... Sberta someone at a double price.!
  6. Lumumba
    Lumumba 16 September 2015 13: 09 New
    +4
    Yes, unfinished.
    Yes, it's damp.
    But they have already riveted more than 160 pieces.

    And we have the “newest airplanes of Russia” 5 prototypes have already been transporting 5 prototypes for all kinds of MAKS for a long time, but they are making show-offs as if they were written with a bag. It has long been possible to run a series.

    Right now, at the minus of hurray-patriots I ran into.
    1. jura61
      jura61 16 September 2015 13: 12 New
      0
      So they started sawing it before, I don’t feel any special joy either, everything is known in real comparison, will it ever be? may be...
      1. anderles66
        anderles66 16 September 2015 13: 29 New
        +4
        I repeat, since the topic of comparison is touched upon. There were joint exercises of the Indian and British Air Force. More precisely - training fights. Hindus - on Su. Britons - on the "Typhoons". The score is 12-0 in favor of the Indians. Even those training fights were won, when one “drying” against two “Typhoons”. Something like this.
    2. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 16 September 2015 13: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Lumumba
      But they have already riveted more than 160 pieces.

      So it’s good that so much! It would be better if more. They are defective.
    3. FID
      FID 16 September 2015 13: 15 New
      +11
      Quote: Lumumba
      It has long been possible to run a series.

      And get the same result? No, let them undergo a FULL test cycle and improvements ....
      1. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 16 September 2015 13: 22 New
        +6
        I absolutely agree with you, Sergey Ivanovich. It’s better to let all the bloopers get out during the tests, then they will be fucked in the ranks. In my memory, the case of the Su-25, when only in 1996 it became clear that the "hill" mode of the X-25ML ... can not be controlled. And it turned out after the rocket fell 8 km from the Novovoronezh NPP.
        1. Aleksandr1959
          Aleksandr1959 16 September 2015 13: 40 New
          +5
          In May 1991, before the leg of the Su-25T BN 03, test pilot Colonel Pavlenko A.V. it was strictly forbidden by representatives of the Sukhoi Design Bureau to include self-propelled guns (on the Su-25T, unlike the Su-25 self-propelled guns, it was provided for). About what, Anatoly Vasilievich told me after the flight for a “glass of tea”. I find out that when checking before the ACS haul in test mode, "ACS failure" was displayed. Hooked UPG. And ofigel ... RUS went into an extremely forward position and wedged there. It wasn’t pulled out by “breaking”; the red button on the RUS self-propelled gun did not turn off. This disgrace was turned off only by the "Power ACS" switch to the "off" position.
          For two weeks the car was at the Kirovskoye airfield ... looking for malfunction. Found a broken wire in one of the blocks. Someone accidentally touched someone during the modifications. Replaced the wire, laid two more duplicates almost flew off the program using self-propelled guns. After driving the machine to Zhukovsky, flights with self-propelled guns were temporarily prohibited until the full test of self-propelled guns for fail-safe safety. These are the things that can come out during trials. This was during the State tests of the Su-25T.
    4. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 16 September 2015 13: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Lumumba
      It has long been possible to run a series.


      Well, if it were possible, they would have already launched it.
      There are problems with the engines - recently there was news of a fire at the T-50 during landing (it seems). So ours just work slowly and do the right thing, since the T-50 is primarily intended for "internal use", and this is much more important than collecting anyhow and trying to sell. Americans are easier in this regard, many countries are on the hook — they will buy anything, there’s nowhere to go.
    5. katalonec2014
      katalonec2014 16 September 2015 13: 47 New
      0
      They’re very expensive, with regards to the f-22 and f-35 as the “lord of the sky,” according to many Western experts, the issue is very controversial, again, because of expensive operation, they are rarely used, and if necessary, they use the same f-15 and f-16.
      It is quite possible these two factors were reflected in the reduction of the state order for PAK FA (the economic situation and the controversial superiority), it is damp, let it be brought to mind.
  7. NEXUS
    NEXUS 16 September 2015 13: 10 New
    +7
    Everything went to this. The F-35 project "ate" a huge amount of money, while in fact the United States did not get a unified platform. I said that technology and science have not yet matured to create unified fighter platforms that could be equally good fulfill the tasks of both a fighter, a boiber, an attack aircraft and a decker. Today it’s a utopia. But apparently the Amers had to go all this way to understand this. Well, the printing press was to help them.
    1. Kosta
      Kosta 16 September 2015 15: 50 New
      0
      I do not know why these nonsense is so praised here. Something at the gun level in 2019, everyone shouted URAA, in the end everything was fine with the gun.
      Articles where they throw their hats the same people write. David Ax, Dave Indian (national interest) and Daily Beast. And how does he know what he will be in 2017 in general? Does his lockheed inform?
      Maybe the plane is not the pinnacle of characteristics, but pray for clown articles whose name is already perceived as a joke in foreign forums and articles.
      It's funny that the pilots disagree with him.
  8. vovanpain
    vovanpain 16 September 2015 13: 10 New
    +10
    Finish with a file and with the help of some kind of mother
    1. andranick
      andranick 16 September 2015 13: 47 New
      +2
      Modify file

      let it overpower

      with the help of some mother

      But this is only our technology, they will not master! :)
  9. oberon 1
    oberon 1 16 September 2015 13: 12 New
    -5
    Already produced 150 aircraft. And where are so many of our latest?
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 16 September 2015 13: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: oberon 1
      Already produced 150 aircraft. And where are so many of our latest?

      We don’t need such “newest” ones. Their performance characteristics are at generation level 4.
      1. ermak.sidorov
        ermak.sidorov 16 September 2015 13: 51 New
        +1
        at generation level 4.

        ... does anyone know how many at least 29 MIGs we have in service in the ZVO ???
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 16 September 2015 13: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: oberon 1
      Already produced 150 aircraft. And where are so many of our latest?

      Su-35, Su-30 and very soon there will be PAK FAA. The development of a new interceptor to replace the MIG-31 (conditionally mig-41) is also going on. Americans are very nervous about the new Russian interceptor, and even voiced the high-speed performance characteristics of this project -4,5-5 max. At the same time, we do not have such luxury as a printing press and gold reserves half the world. Therefore, calling it a cut or a simple throw is hardly appropriate. hi
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 17 September 2015 14: 51 New
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        even voiced the high-speed performance characteristics of this project, 4,5-5 max

        wassat stop
        complete nonsense. except within a few minutes of the flight.
        if we talk about cruising speed, it is extremely unrealistic at heights, where air resistance is high.
        These are new alloys of the case, new engines, that is a whole breakthrough in technology. So do not believe everything they write, especially (!!!) Africans
  10. _Plastun_
    _Plastun_ 16 September 2015 13: 12 New
    +6
    Quote: Lumumba
    Yes, unfinished.
    Yes, it's damp.
    But they have already riveted more than 160 pieces.
    And we have the “newest airplanes of Russia” 5 prototypes have already been transporting 5 prototypes for all kinds of MAKSs for a long time, but they are showing off. It has long been possible to run a series.

    It is better to carry 5 prototypes for MAKS, than to finish raw iron. Do not step on other people's rakes. We have time to rivet the T-50, the main quality and reliability of the aircraft, and not their quantity.
    1. oberon 1
      oberon 1 16 September 2015 13: 16 New
      +1
      I agree . They must stamp their own dryers.
    2. ermak.sidorov
      ermak.sidorov 16 September 2015 13: 57 New
      0
      Rivet T-50
      Why immediately T-50? It is necessary to rivet, but not the T-50, but the fact that we have already been “finalized” and pulls at 4 + ... +, even the bourgeois cannot beat them even in the ratio 1: 1, but meanwhile finish and start riveting the T-50
  11. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 16 September 2015 13: 12 New
    0
    "... due to his ability to fight on equal terms with the latest aircraft of Russia and China"!

    Oh. Why then is he at all ??? Maybe something is wrong with the translation?
  12. Magic archer
    Magic archer 16 September 2015 13: 14 New
    +4
    In fact, almost all new equipment comes in the “raw” part. That's not the point. The Americans are imposing on all allies a plane that is not particularly superior to the same F-16! Which is older by 40 years. But the price of a new funderwafer is sky-high ....
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 September 2015 13: 15 New
    +1
    full-fledged F-35s (with all previously announced features) will be released not earlier than 2019 of the year.

    According to the Russian plan, the rearmament of the army should come to an end by this time. Let's see what the situation will be in the Air Force at that time.
  14. bmv04636
    bmv04636 16 September 2015 13: 16 New
    0
    The Jews succeeded in this. After all, it’s necessary to spin, the “light elves” do not give their own production, so you have to take all the gones and take them.
  15. tomket
    tomket 16 September 2015 13: 16 New
    +1
    Curious. They adopt an aircraft with limited combat effectiveness, which is therefore not particularly impressive in its combat effectiveness. Except as experimental operation, this action cannot be called. It will be very interesting to listen to the opinion of Israeli pilots who will run this limited miracle.
  16. Lumumba
    Lumumba 16 September 2015 13: 17 New
    -4
    Quote: _Plastun_

    It is better to carry 5 prototypes for MAKS, than to finish raw iron. Do not step on other people's rakes. We have time to rivet the T-50, the main quality and reliability of the aircraft, and not their quantity.


    I know very well by hears what our engineers are capable of when it is necessary to squeeze EVERYTHING out of iron. But since 2002, it has been developing (for 13 years already), and this is based on ready-made developments on Soviet projects - you’ll excuse me.
    1. _Plastun_
      _Plastun_ 16 September 2015 13: 23 New
      0
      speed is needed, when catching fleas ... sorry for the pun. A 5th generation plane to build, this is not a paper kite to fly into the air, in addition to the drawings of the plane, you still need to invent materials and much more.
    2. FID
      FID 16 September 2015 13: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Lumumba
      But since 2002, it has been developing (for 13 years already), and this is based on ready-made developments on Soviet projects - you’ll excuse me.

      The entire aviation industry is floating upside down ... 2 planes a year to produce this is a shame for an aviation power .... But it happened when, apart from export dryers, ANYTHING was released!
      1. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 16 September 2015 14: 32 New
        +1
        Moreover, for which, some countries of Southeast Asia, partially paid with palm oil. And in the press they explained that palm oil is an extremely necessary raw material for the defense industry.
  17. Kolka82
    Kolka82 16 September 2015 13: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: Lumumba
    Yes, unfinished.
    Yes, it's damp.
    But they have already riveted more than 160 pieces.

    You know, I probably, as a pilot, would not have agreed to even approach him, not to mention the flight.
  18. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 September 2015 13: 19 New
    +2
    OUR! What they do .... hooligan ...! bully
    1. Non-jumping
      Non-jumping 16 September 2015 16: 30 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      OUR! What they do .... hooligan ...! bully

      In the first part of the video, not Russian fighters, but radio-controlled models of the Chinese J-10 fighter. This garbage has long been walking on YouTube.
  19. oberon 1
    oberon 1 16 September 2015 13: 19 New
    0
    The vertical entry with a fan is doubtful
  20. kroul
    kroul 16 September 2015 13: 20 New
    -6
    no matter how "wet" or even "wet" would be f 35, but this is the second fifth-generation aircraft in the United States. At such a pace as the preparation of the Russian PAK FA (the delivery to the Russian Armed Forces is scheduled for the 17th, and according to others for the 20th year), America will have 500 f35 airplanes, a bunch of raptors and a conditional f50 (generation 5 aircraft) will be demonstrated ++ or already 6th). How are we still lagging behind recourse Pechalka crying
    1. _Plastun_
      _Plastun_ 16 September 2015 13: 40 New
      +3
      damn, yes take and build an "unusual"-looking plane, like the Americans. CALL IT A PLANE OF THE 5th or 6th GENERATION, spend or sleep ... a lot of money to build it, but how it will fly .. shit yes ?????
      compare our 37th generation su-4 with f-35 ...
    2. anderles66
      anderles66 16 September 2015 13: 41 New
      +3
      Not so long ago, I read an analytics that claims to be a real reflection of statistics. And here is what I will tell you. The achievements of the Americans in real hostilities are not as impressive as they publicize about it (both real losses are higher and effectiveness of actions is lower). What am I doing? You can declare any plane any generation. This is also a PR and it can hit the impressionable. Only real combat operations can show the capabilities of equipment and, plus, the capabilities of flight personnel for the most part to squeeze the maximum out of technology. I can’t judge that we are ahead. As well as not ready to grieve over the backlog. I would not want to, but, I feel, a good weapons test is coming. Let's say that in the Middle East there are a lot of American and ours (now new, as they say).
  21. Wedmak
    Wedmak 16 September 2015 13: 37 New
    +2
    And then it turns out that the file is in the wrong system.
  22. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 September 2015 13: 37 New
    +3
    Mattresses have already set up super fighters called Starfighter to their allies. Most are in Germany. And these allies raked, according to the most incapable. There was a big scandal. But the money is already divided.
  23. TOR2
    TOR2 16 September 2015 13: 46 New
    +1
    The mattresses decided to make a “horse move”. They couldn’t finish it themselves, they push the raw version to Israel, and then the improvements will be bought back.
  24. stonks
    stonks 16 September 2015 13: 51 New
    0
    First, Israel has long been launching its own avionics aircraft received from the United States. Probably, also his own weapons.
    Secondly, Israel, as far as I know, does not spend its money on the purchase of weapons from the United States. USA highlights irrevocable loans for the purchase of their weapons.

    If not right - correct!
  25. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 16 September 2015 13: 52 New
    0
    They will be sawing with a file ... but not the F-35, but the Pentagon's budget; that’s why it’s so big, and the results are much smaller. Champions in the category "most expensive aircraft"; We are waiting for the next record.
  26. kroul
    kroul 16 September 2015 14: 06 New
    -2
    what is the real reflection of statistics ??? you will never know the real state of affairs! all for 10 castles and seven seals. What they write on the Internet and talk on TV is just information that the viewer or user should “grasp”. They say that we have the most powerful northern fleet, the pride of Russia TAVKR, Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov. They remove the programs, as everything is cool, powerful and the planes take off. But they do not say that he is barely swimming, so he does not walk, namely, he is swimming. The ship is both morally and physically obsolete. Yes, you can change your brains, put in new modern missiles, which by the way stand on it, the weapons are very good, but the iron itself is already rotten. For some reason, this fact is not mentioned anywhere.
    1. quote
      quote 16 September 2015 16: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: kroul
      Yes, you can change the brain, but the iron itself is already all rotten.


      Worst of all, when the head is rotten, the brain does not change.
      Quote: kroul
      For some reason, this fact is not mentioned anywhere.

      When you say a fact, do not forget to provide it.
      Fact please provide.
  27. evil partisan
    evil partisan 16 September 2015 14: 06 New
    0
    Well, finally reached the file! fellow We thought for a long time ... With the help of this epic instrument, more than a dozen Soviet systems were brought to mind. yes
  28. Victor-M
    Victor-M 16 September 2015 14: 07 New
    +1
    American military analyst David Aix reports on his blog that a “special” decision has been made in the US military due to the expiration of the deadline for adopting the declared number of the latest F-35 fighter jets. According to Ex, The Pentagon is going to arm the US Air Force with F-35 fighter jets with an incomplete set of optionsй

    With the lack of a file? what laughing
  29. Lecha57
    Lecha57 16 September 2015 14: 49 New
    0
    Look, think, guess guys, and nobody will surpass Russian aerobatics. -Americans smoke.
  30. Non-jumping
    Non-jumping 16 September 2015 15: 42 New
    +2
    Lockheed Martin would not mind “creating” the F-35 forever.
  31. puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 16 September 2015 16: 13 New
    +1
    Under the existing economic system, the main thing is not a plane, but to snatch a contract and earn money, the product itself is secondary! And the States are also fighting in dollars (sanctions, banks, bribes, etc.)! Well, if only some natives were bombed (so that, God forbid, the equipment did not suffer and the reputation was not damaged), to test the weapon, or vice versa, to dispose of!
  32. Hello
    Hello 16 September 2015 16: 35 New
    +2
    F 35 so long and hard watered with slop that I get the impression the plane will be good.
  33. Valkh
    Valkh 16 September 2015 17: 43 New
    0
    Quote: anokem
    I see only 2 pluses in the F-35 compared to the F-22:
    1) smart pilot helmet with integrated display
    2) increased radius of action compared to F-22
    In all other characteristics, the F-22 is superior to the F-35

    Saw it! Shura, - cut! laughing
  34. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 16 September 2015 18: 35 New
    0
    They have a problem with files. A plane without him a bunch of expensive iron. The dream of the Americans to be better than Russia will never come true.
  35. IAlex
    IAlex 18 September 2015 21: 19 New
    0
    What do we need? Their turd - their problems, the more we have our own ...