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Ukrainian Energy Ministry: 250 dollars per thousand cubic meters of gas - this is an unfair market price

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Volodymyr Demchyshyn, the Minister of Energy of Ukraine, said that the Kiev authorities believe that 250 dollars per thousand cubic meters of gas are not a fair price.




"We believe that 250 dollars is not a market price ... We are ready to pay a market price - European, but it cannot include transit, because in order to transport to the western border, you have to pay us for this transit", - quotes his newspaper "Sight".

Demchyshyn noted that Ukraine is going to pump 2 additional billion cubic meters of gas into funds received from creditors.

In August, there were reports that the cost of purchasing European gas by Naftogaz of Ukraine in the second quarter was 11% higher than the purchase price in the Russian Federation. Gazprom sold gas to Ukraine at the price of 247.18 dollars for 1 ths cubic meters, while the weighted average price of imports of European gas, taking into account transportation, reached 275 dollars for 1 ths cubic meters.

It is worth noting that earlier, Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Valery Voshchevsky said that the country's energy sector is in pre-infarction condition, and political disassembly between Yatsenyuk and Poroshenko, which "tear apart not only energy, but also Ukraine," was the cause of the disaster.

“For almost four months I was in charge of leadership at the anti-crisis energy headquarters. Unfortunately, the Ukrainian energy industry today is in a pre-infarction state. I will tell you more, the government does not control the situation in the energy sector. The contradictions between the two heads of government are so obvious that today they are breaking not only energy, but also Ukraine. The locomotive, which is called the government, has two drivers - one on Bankova (the presidential administration is located there), and the other is on Grushevsky (the address of the Cabinet of Ministers), ”he said.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 16 September 2015 07: 53 New
    +28
    Fair European price for Ukraine: Russia also pays extra for its gas. yes
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 16 September 2015 07: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Fair European price for Ukraine: Russia also pays extra for its gas.

      With such steering as Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk Ukraine, and this option will not help.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 16 September 2015 08: 05 New
        0
        There are not only steering ...
        Here is an original type, an entomologist. I saw his video on prices in Kiev at the beginning of the winter of this year. I asked him: “Dear, did you ride the Maidan? If such people also rode, then yes, the end of Ukraine ...” I did not receive a response ...
        Take a look at his video-man in kind, an enthusiastic specialist, but he is completely poisoned by "friendly America" ​​...
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 16 September 2015 08: 14 New
          -4
          From there, again:
      2. Момент
        Момент 16 September 2015 08: 07 New
        +10
        They fool their heads for the second winter. Ukraine is tse Europe, then the price should be European
        Ukraine wants to join the gas transmission energy system being created by Poland, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia, said Arseniy Yatsenyuk. A project to provide Ukrainians with expensive Eurogas will require $ 180. Rabbits are not only valuable fur. But also three or four million cubic meters of SELECT gas at Euro prices.
      3. Kostyar
        Kostyar 16 September 2015 08: 12 New
        +21
        Ministry of Energy of Ukraine: $ 250 per cubic meter of gas is not a fair market price

        Of course! But 350 just right .....
        1. andr327
          andr327 16 September 2015 09: 35 New
          0
          No matter how shitty it is about ukraine, $ 250 for ONE CUBOMETER is a robbery, it will not be enough for 1 thousand meters cubic from the aggressor.
      4. insafufa
        insafufa 16 September 2015 08: 19 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexej
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Fair European price for Ukraine: Russia also pays extra for its gas.

        With such steering as Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk Ukraine, and this option will not help.


        Ukrainian gas lol
      5. Vend
        Vend 16 September 2015 09: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexej
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Fair European price for Ukraine: Russia also pays extra for its gas.

        With such steering as Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk Ukraine, and this option will not help.

        Oh well, what are the steering laughing . So two weathercocks under the mattress wind laughing
    2. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 16 September 2015 08: 50 New
      +4
      You don’t want 250, you won’t get it at all. Strange, the aggressor country supplies energy to Ukraine, or that money doesn’t smell for our oligarchs. Mr. Medvedev, stop providing the Nazis with strategic energy sources, let them buy from their masters.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 16 September 2015 09: 40 New
        +6
        Do not want 250, do not get at all.
        Fu, how rude you are. The soft one is: "Do not want 250? Go and buy cheaper. Market for that and market"
    3. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 16 September 2015 09: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Fair European price for Ukraine: Russia also pays extra for its gas. yes


      The history of the ukropovsky concept of justice is rooted in the distant past. This is a whole mixture of arrogance, dreams, hidden desires and stupid stubbornness. Only the image of a big horseradish on a contract with kaklyami for gas, make them stir gyrus and look for a freebie elsewhere! am
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 16 September 2015 09: 43 New
        +1
        If you raise the school course of normal history, the first Maidan happened in Kiev under the first princes. And the presidents (princes) of the then frostbitten crowd regularly "removed from the post" then back. So their historical tradition is ancient
    4. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 16 September 2015 09: 37 New
      +4
      Volodymyr Demchyshyn, the Minister of Energy of Ukraine, stated that the Kiev authorities believe that 250 dollars per cubic meter of gas are not a fair price.
      I completely agree with this character. The price is completely unfair. Moreover. I am not afraid of such a word - she is predatory. In favor of Ukraine.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 16 September 2015 11: 28 New
        +2
        Yes, the price must be at least $ 300
    5. vodolaz
      vodolaz 16 September 2015 12: 22 New
      +1
      So n € ная fallow-€ € € Europe-let them pay as those where they strive so diligently.
  2. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 16 September 2015 07: 53 New
    +7
    Nahalyavu .... this is a fair price.
    1. brasist
      brasist 16 September 2015 08: 00 New
      +2
      Nakhalyavu - the national ukrovlyuta it has become so customary and apparently she gets kirdyk ...
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 16 September 2015 08: 04 New
        +10
        The most correct answer. There is another, but Skomorokhov is watching in my direction :)
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    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 16 September 2015 09: 19 New
      +5
      Scandinavian
      Nahalyavu .... this is a fair price.

      Absolutely right! Therefore, Yaytsenyuk and rushing like a tank ... he no longer confuses that the price (including transport charges) is lower than European. It presses that the payment goes by the so-called ... "short" money ... in this case, an advance payment. We trade with Europe with payment from 3 to 6 months ... The longer the settlement period ... the higher the price (i.e. the longer the money). BUT EUROPEAN CALCULATED !!!! But Ukraine “forgot” when it paid off its debts until the new order was introduced - IN THE MORNING OF MONEY - IN THE EVENING OF GAS! YOU CAN REVERSE ... BUT MONEY EVERYTHING IS EQUAL FORWARD! Yaytsenyuk is silent about this ...
      Unfortunately, we are forced to make certain concessions ... because we deliver gas according to the formula "DAF - the border of Ukraine with Europe". Europe will not listen to our excuses for gas shortages ... they say - unscrupulous Ukrainians stole it again ... since the Russian Federation pledged to deliver the agreed volume ... put it within the technical errors ... didn’t - pay a penalty for the short supply of gas (and very substantial)!
      Rather, the issues of constructing bypass gas pipelines would be resolved. But the European Union knows this dependence of ours and that it would have serious levers of POLITICAL pressure on us ... ALLOWS BRAKES WITH THE ISSUE OF CONSTRUCTION PERMITS. This again forces us to look for compromises ... which sometimes reduce our profits to a minimum ... and demand Yaytsenyuk ... demand a further reduction in price ... ONLY TO A FREE LEVEL!
  3. as150505
    as150505 16 September 2015 07: 54 New
    +9
    Here are the bastards! They declare us an aggressor, immediately ask for a discount on gas. We sell our gas for as much as we want!
    1. Decathlon
      Decathlon 16 September 2015 07: 57 New
      +10
      Well, not really ours ... repeat So, sort of, like, yes, our! But "dreams come true" only at "Gazprom" recourse
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 16 September 2015 08: 02 New
        +8
        Quote: Decathlon
        So, sort of, like, yes, our! But "dreams come true" only at "Gazprom"

        Only when collecting taxes from such corporations provides half the budget.
  4. Nord2015
    Nord2015 16 September 2015 07: 57 New
    +5
    Who about what, and an alcoholic about vodka. Freebie in the blood. And everything that is not halva is not fair.
  5. sagitch
    sagitch 16 September 2015 07: 57 New
    +8
    We must stop the practice of discounts for Ukraine.
    Who are they to us? Enemy, according to Ukrainian military doctrine!
    - Only to Europe, and Ukraine only for transit. And you look to bask on the Maidan will go.
  6. Sealek
    Sealek 16 September 2015 07: 59 New
    +6
    What problems then?
    Cover up gas transit from Russia and negotiate with Germany a "fair price" bully
  7. EvaFerrari
    EvaFerrari 16 September 2015 07: 59 New
    +2
    Not a single conscience - ask for a gas discount from the aggressor
  8. Alf
    Alf 16 September 2015 08: 00 New
    +2
    Volodymyr Demchyshyn, the Minister of Energy of Ukraine, stated that the Kiev authorities believe that 250 dollars per cubic meter of gas are not a fair price.

    Well, let them buy where it’s cheaper.
    Demchishin noted that Ukraine is going to pump 2 additional billion cubic meters of gas to funds received from creditors

    Khokhlov in his repertoire- "give money, gentlemen, good."
    It is worth noting that earlier, Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Valery Voshchevsky said that the country's energy sector is in pre-infarction condition, and political disassembly between Yatsenyuk and Poroshenko, which "tear apart not only energy, but also Ukraine," was the cause of the disaster.

    The pre-infarction state of not only the energy sector, but of the whole Ukraine is not the result of a political showdown by Yatsenyuk and Poroshenko, but the result of the 14-year counter-revolution.
  9. Same lech
    Same lech 16 September 2015 08: 01 New
    +1
    Ministry of Energy of Ukraine: $ 250 per cubic meter of gas is not a fair market price


    Well, how much more can you whine KIEVA about this .... they are so used to freebies from RUSSIA. no
  10. azbukin77
    azbukin77 16 September 2015 08: 03 New
    +1
    Kakly - they are KAKLY! How many discounts do not come on, all is not enough! Uro ... s and not a nation!
  11. beer-youk
    beer-youk 16 September 2015 08: 03 New
    +7
    Yes, my goodness! Go around the market - look for cheaper!
  12. 31rus
    31rus 16 September 2015 08: 06 New
    0
    It’s good that, honestly, in a blunder, the two main spiders are trying to gobble up each other, what kind of gas is there, and the United States sends them all the assistants and declares there will be no conversations with Putin, if it would be good for them to close the gas and let them continue to jump in Kiev and Washington
  13. Sasha75
    Sasha75 16 September 2015 08: 06 New
    +18
    Honestly I'm tired of them.
  14. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 16 September 2015 08: 06 New
    +3
    And kill people rightly? Thugs ....
  15. zombiunian
    zombiunian 16 September 2015 08: 07 New
    0
    and in the photo there is a pipe insert from the euro-highway into your pocket? Already truncated! it will not work to cut 2 lard, they simply will not exist and will not, and mark the pipe with chalk and cook on ferrous metal - “Slovalavrova”.
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 September 2015 08: 07 New
    +1
    $ 250 per cubic meter of gas is not a fair price.

    Already a normal person has a head spinning from these constant discontent. This next suit, I think, is more for the ears of Europe. Like, they didn’t give us enough to pay for gas (500 million), we should add.
  17. Barakuda
    Barakuda 16 September 2015 08: 08 New
    +3
    Everybody forgot about Pasha Lazarenko and Yulia Tymoshenko. How do they derive gas revenues. am And then who was the prezik? Well, one stayed out, having bought Schwarzenegger's villa, but Julia didn’t succeed.
    1. sl22277
      sl22277 16 September 2015 08: 19 New
      +1
      The very essence of the thinking of dill is Many and Nakhalyavu. And what would be left to steal! And the word "prezik" is a condom in Russian?
  18. Wolka
    Wolka 16 September 2015 08: 10 New
    0
    how many don’t give a price to Khokhl, it will still moan and bleat, and beg for a freebie ...
  19. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 16 September 2015 08: 15 New
    +2
    I do not understand where is the point of delivery of gas sold to Ukraine? Is it not on the border with the Russian Federation? What is the transit fee?

    you still have to pay us for this transit
    - this is a quote.

    They want Gazprom to pay for the delivery of gas purchased by Ukraine across Ukrainian territory to the consumer, or what?

    And if it is gas for western underground gas storage facilities, to ensure transit, then what does Gazprom have to do with it again? Who is the transiter? he must provide transit.

    It seems that in winter Ukraine takes gas for the eastern regions directly from the transit pipe, and from western underground storage facilities it compensates for it in Europe. Here I could be wrong.

    But actually, there is a contract. There is a contract price. It also needs to be paid.
  20. loginovich
    loginovich 16 September 2015 08: 17 New
    +6
    A new word in trade: the buyer sets prices. Curiously, Waltzmann will like it if he sells chocolates at a fair price set by the buyer.
  21. Million
    Million 16 September 2015 08: 20 New
    0
    Who would talk about justice ....
  22. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 16 September 2015 08: 21 New
    +1
    And let them jump ... when they freeze ... wassat
  23. mamont5
    mamont5 16 September 2015 08: 22 New
    +2
    "Ministry of Energy of Ukraine: 250 dollars per cubic meter of gas is not a fair market price"

    Of course, this price is not fair. That 350 dollars for Ruins is already closer to the truth.
  24. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 16 September 2015 08: 23 New
    +6
    Guys! You don’t understand how? There is no fair or unfair price. There is a price for which someone is ready to sell YOUR goods, he can ask for at least a million, at least a billion, HIS goods — HIS price! Do not like it, do not take it. And what is the question of justice?
  25. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 September 2015 08: 25 New
    +5
    Tired of it. Rather, Nord Stream-2 would begin to build. The cries would become an order of magnitude quieter, and Svidomo listened to every sound with which the pipes slide into the Baltic waters. Since gas will then have to be purchased in Germany, and begging for a reasonable discount, I beg you ...
  26. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 16 September 2015 08: 25 New
    +4
    During the time the Soviet Union existed, the Ukrainians were taught to live for free, at the moment they cannot live without freebies, so they go around the world with outstretched hands, give someone what they can, and Ukrainians can’t fight with their people that the USSR was bad, well, what kind of business erected and built was only enough for twenty years of theft, there is no way to make fifty years of supplies.
  27. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 16 September 2015 08: 31 New
    +1
    They are absolutely right - the price is unfair! It should be for such "partners" 2-3-4-5 times higher. Then it will be fair!
  28. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 16 September 2015 08: 33 New
    +3
    Even this is really wrong. Even the “widow of Klitschko” at one time came to “Big Pu” about ah-ah-ah, stealing gas from a pipe is not good, but we cannot steal because we don’t have money. So give us gas at a reduced price .. But Europe sadly added: give them, give, otherwise it’s also cold for us, but we are PARTNERS!
    Then the widow was imprisoned for theft on an especially large scale and the geyropeytsy watched anxiously as she got out there.
    Now: again, twenty-five, only on a sad scale, when Russia is represented as an aggressor because it does not allow establishing genocide in individual areas.

    So gentlemen dill, go to the opera! Bask in horse races on the Maidan, fight hand-to-hand in Parliament, engage in active body movements with Psaki, McCain and other macaques. And do not yell in the direction of Russia that we are bad, for our loot we do not give you gas.
    Not enough for ourselves. We better gasify our villages.
  29. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 16 September 2015 08: 35 New
    +2
    Honestly, I thought that this Jewish theater of the absurd on the outskirts would not last so long. But no, they still move, and, paradoxically, they move due to the position of Russia.
    I just don’t understand one thing - for what scumbag our authorities recognized the junta as a legitimate government. If you immediately clearly defined your position - it was a coup d'etat, junta, fascists and consistently adhered to this point of view, everything would be simpler and not as launched as it is now.
  30. jaguarstas
    jaguarstas 16 September 2015 08: 40 New
    +6
    You need to talk with ukram calmly. They are buyers, and we are sellers. Not the other way around. If they are not satisfied with the price - this is their problem. Let either buy at the price that Russia offers, or do not buy and sucks in full. Let him buy by reverse.
    And this passage "We are ready to pay the market price - European, but it cannot include transit, because in order to transport to the western border, you still have to pay us for this transit" I did not understand. Do they buy for themselves or for sale? If for myself, then the words about transit are superfluous. And if for sale, then why do we need an extra intermediary?
    Gas has already been sold to Europe a long time ago and ukraine has already unfastened the payment for its transit. Is nobody besides me seeing this inconsistency? This is a scam of pure water. Why do business with crooks at all?
    1. not a liberal
      not a liberal 16 September 2015 08: 50 New
      +6
      "$ 250 per cubic meter of gas is not a fair price" !! - it is really expensive. Usually considered a thousand cubic meters. smile
      1. cerber
        cerber 16 September 2015 15: 41 New
        +1
        at least someone noticed +
  31. Edvagan
    Edvagan 16 September 2015 08: 50 New
    +6
    There is a well-known joke on this score.
    They are walking in the desert a Jew with a crest. They come from the last forces, there is no water. And suddenly they find an abandoned jeep, and in it there is a canister of water and a suitcase with a million dollars. A crest grabs money right away, a Jew takes a canister. While a crest hugs a suitcase, a Jew drinks plenty of water. Crest sees this and says: Listen, Abram, and let's play the market?
    Jew: let's play.
    Crest: how much does a glass of water cost you?
    Jew: a million dollars!
    Crest: where do these prices come from? Are you crazy?
    Jew: no problem, walk around the market, bargain, maybe you will find cheaper.
  32. narval20
    narval20 16 September 2015 08: 53 New
    +2
    WAS WE BROTHERS WITH THEM ... ???
  33. ikshacooper
    ikshacooper 16 September 2015 08: 54 New
    +2
    I did not read because of an error in the title of the article. I wonder who will give 250 dollars for one cubic meter of gas?
  34. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 16 September 2015 08: 55 New
    0
    In late April, Gazprom’s deputy chairman Alexander Medvedev said that company, based on the forecast of the cost of a barrel of Brent oil around 55 dollars, focuses on average price at 242 dollars per thousand cubic meters of gas.
  35. sgr291158
    sgr291158 16 September 2015 08: 57 New
    +2
    Why, let them give them gas for free, and also pay at the same time.
  36. provincial
    provincial 16 September 2015 09: 02 New
    0
    "They stole, stole, stole and we will steal" Yaytsenyuh. The rest blah blah blah for the West.
  37. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 September 2015 09: 10 New
    0
    Do not like it, do not take it.
  38. cap54
    cap54 16 September 2015 09: 11 New
    0
    Pancake!!! 250 $ a lot to them ... Yes, these thieves to appoint $ 500 and then it will not be enough !!! And if they freeze, then they should not jump in the first !!! Let them get warm! repeat
  39. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 16 September 2015 09: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: A1L9E4K9S
    give someone what can


    Monsieur, it's not mange pa sis jour. Goeben world si bitte etvas kopek auf dem stuck ford. Serve something
    laughing

    Alpine poverty.
  40. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 16 September 2015 09: 29 New
    0
    I am not an expert. But the problem seems to me like this. We really value our reputation in front of Europe as gas suppliers. And in order for gas to flow, Ukraine needs to buy and pump at least a minimum of gas for technological needs. We need to force Ukraine to buy gas for this and preferably at our price. Yes, and so that the Ukrainians would buy enough gas for their own consumption, otherwise they’ll steal it anyway. This is where the dances begin. Ukraine breaks like a girl of marriageable age, it is expensive for me, but still sell it, because you need to supply gas to Europe.
  41. Old26
    Old26 16 September 2015 09: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: sagitch
    - Only to Europe, and Ukraine only for transit.

    So we pay for transit. They pump gas from this amount. But since it is not enough, they additionally buy it. And here the fun begins. Unfortunately, we still cannot do without the Ukrainian TPN. And they, realizing all hopelessness, begin to blackmail. Blackmail is very simple. Or we will pay the amount that we "like" or ... or we will just steal gas. But buyers do not give a damn about whether Ukraine steals gas or not. They need to send XXX million cubic meters of gas from currents A (border of Russia) and the same amount to point B (border of the European Union). The difference - or rather, the disadvantage - is the problem of the supplier and the transit. But the transiter makes a silly face and says that we don’t know where the gas went. You see. At the exit, he shows less, so the seller is underperformed. Therefore, they agree on certain prices in order to get at least something from Ukraine. But let the SP-2 go - this freebie will come to an end. Ukrainians can then cut their TPN and turn into scrap metal. It is clear that this is somewhat exaggerated, but something like this happens

    Quote: SeAlek
    What problems then? Cover up gas transit from Russia and negotiate a fair price with Germany

    We can overlap only after the commissioning of the SP-2. Then gas will go to Europe, bypassing Ukraine, which has already calculated its losses - 2 billion greens. And this is without taking into account "freebies" and other things
  42. Svyatogor
    Svyatogor 16 September 2015 09: 32 New
    +6
    It will be so soon
  43. akudr48
    akudr48 16 September 2015 09: 40 New
    0
    Well, it will be interesting to see how Ukraine is governed without governance, or even contrary to governance.

    Energy is only the beginning of a great experiment in creating uncontrolled states.

    Ah, I forgot about external management, while America does not risk running Ukraine without any control and its appointees will still steer.

    But it’s a pity, it’s a pity that theoretical science will not receive excellent experimental material for the management of a new generation - brainless control.

    But practice compensates for everything ...
  44. Alfizik
    Alfizik 16 September 2015 10: 03 New
    0
    It’s somehow uncomfortable when an embittered, inadequate self-lover lives in the next apartment.
  45. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 16 September 2015 10: 39 New
    0
    this is an unfair market price

    Either unfair or market. It happens differently only in Ukraine.
  46. Memorandum
    Memorandum 16 September 2015 10: 54 New
    0
    We fix $ 250 For each anti-Russian statement of a politician or official of Ukraine + $ 1 to this fixed price ... and so on ...
  47. roskot
    roskot 16 September 2015 10: 59 New
    0
    Pay for transit in Russia, and you can supply gas for free. They have already decided everything. And in a brazen face?
  48. sanicha
    sanicha 16 September 2015 11: 24 New
    0
    Never mind, given the plight of the jumpers, Miller will drop the price to $ 220, because these are jumping little brothers. Let them jump, bask and shit in the jump on our heads
  49. antikilller55
    antikilller55 16 September 2015 13: 00 New
    0
    You can count anything. Our gas and our price, do not like dosvidos, burn wood and manure.
  50. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 September 2015 13: 38 New
    0
    Do not forget that gas and electricity go to Crimea through Ukraine.
    Of course we can say that and do it. But for everything, Crimea will receive it.
    Without water, without gas, without electricity.