New kit allows you to upgrade AK for 15 minutes

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Kalashnikov developed a universal kit for the automaton of the same name, the installation of which allows to improve the efficiency weapons in terms of the "frequency of injury" at a distance of up to 300, m "at any time of the day and in different climatic conditions," reports RT with reference to the chief designer of the concern Sergey Urzhumtsev.

New kit allows you to upgrade AK for 15 minutes


The kit is installed in 15-20 minutes on any AK, which is in service with Russian security forces.

According to Urzhumtsev, “the automatic received a modernized butt and receiver cover, a modern receiver pad and forearm, on which are integrated Picatinny slats (special brackets on which sights and various accessories are mounted)”.



The kit also included "a new belt, a translator-fuse and an ergonomic fire control grip," the chief designer added, noting that these changes "will improve the weapon's ergonomics and its controllability when performing combat missions in various weather and climatic conditions."



According to the developers, this retrofit kit “allows installation of additional equipment on weapons, such as modern optical-electronic aiming devices, laser designators, gun lights, low-noise shooting equipment and an effective flame arrestor.” In addition, it is possible to install 40-mm grenade launcher and bayonet.



Representatives of the company explained that the kits are designed for installation on automatic machines caliber 5,45 mm and 7,62 mm.



“Modernization of previously manufactured automata can be carried out both at industrial enterprises and directly in the military,” the concern noted. “A modern rifle complex equipped with a new Kalashnikov modernization kit will be able to tune in to any tactical task and will significantly expand the possibility of using weapons.”



Currently, preparations are underway for mass production of products.







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  1. +68
    15 September 2015 16: 58
    The kit is installed in 15-20 minutes on any AK, which is in service with Russian security forces.
    The meaning is clear. In fact, a removable "body kit". Well, I think, not bad, and not very expensive either.
    1. +77
      15 September 2015 17: 02
      It had to be done, even ten years ago! But well done, even now done!
      1. +10
        15 September 2015 17: 23
        ten years ago there were other lotions
        1. +3
          15 September 2015 19: 36
          photo from therephoto from there
          Yes, this is a clean kit.
          About the body kit from the user "carden" here:
          http://k-a-r-d-e-n.livejournal.com/
          1. +1
            17 September 2015 19: 30
            On a business trip, they sold me the cover of the receiver with a welded strip and a collimator assembly, and I want to tell you that I felt a little cheated, I didn’t feel sorry for the money, they easily came easily, but the fact that this device chatted when shooting so there was even an additional ringing, and then with an open sight, I hit a bayonet spade on a hundred, but horseradish with a collimator (a bayonet spade is stuck with a handle in the ground on a slope and it turns out that a good target is a hundred and fifty steps away). But on the AK-12 the receiver is already milling and this disease does not exist.
        2. +3
          15 September 2015 21: 22
          Quote: Russian Uzbek
          ten years ago there were other lotions

          Ten years ago, someone else pounded in his pants, and now he is nibbling the granite of science! smile God grant that the words do not diverge from the deed! hi
        3. +1
          16 September 2015 20: 30
          Yes, do not give a damn how it looks, if only it worked and the effect was !!!
      2. +13
        15 September 2015 18: 41
        Weird! Why there is no shop mouth request penny thing, and the effect ...
        1. +3
          15 September 2015 19: 22
          cock better through the bottom
          gopnik!
        2. Fox
          +11
          16 September 2015 05: 21
          Quote: Patton5
          Weird! Why there is no shop mouth

          try to pick out the stuck sleeve from the neck in the field, and you will understand everything yourself!
        3. +2
          16 September 2015 12: 57
          Quote: Patton5
          Weird! Why is there no neck of the store a penny thing, but the effect ..

          The effect of the neck is a moot point. I met a comment from the PMC manovar that the convenience of the neck compared with the device on the AK completely crosses out the reliability of the latter - dirt and sand in the field (combat) conditions can create a serious problem with the abutment in the neck.
      3. -16
        15 September 2015 19: 29
        I do not see the modernization itself.
        Garage craftsmen used to do this kind of "modernization" on a Zhiguli. They called it "tuning".
        1. +3
          15 September 2015 22: 04
          Quote: turk
          I do not see the modernization itself.
          Garage craftsmen used to do this kind of "modernization" on a Zhiguli. They called it "tuning".

          ===
          modernization - change, improvement that meets modern requirements
          1. +1
            15 September 2015 22: 07
            Quote: Victorio
            modernization - change, improvement that meets modern requirements

            This is not visible. One "garage tuning" body kit.
          2. +5
            16 September 2015 07: 41
            in Kalash, the receiver’s lid, to put it mildly, is shaking, it’s not firmly fixed, if you dismantled the assault rifle, you would have seen it, so there’s no need to put a sight on it, it won’t be accurate, the aiming base is small, and therefore the rail on the lid for a flashlight ... so all that is described in the article is such as tuning ... a sniper rifle will not work out of Kalash ... and actually cheers and hat-making again ...
            1. +5
              16 September 2015 08: 42
              And where, forgive me, is a hat? I do not see the text "We will defeat everyone right now !!" Good news, technical rather than shabby ...
              1. 0
                16 September 2015 12: 12
                in the comments about the caps that throw this type of cheers, everything got even cooler with a gun ... voyaka uh confirmed my comments ...
            2. +4
              16 September 2015 11: 13
              You're right. On Galil, a sight was put on the barrel lid
              boxes. It turned out badly. From vibrations, the lid was always loose.
              The sight went astray all the time.
              Himself drank with it. You shoot at the target: everything is heaped and everything is sideways ...
            3. +3
              16 September 2015 13: 05
              Quote: derik1970
              in Kalash, the receiver’s lid, to put it mildly, is shaking, it’s not firmly fixed, if you dismantled the assault rifle, you would have seen it, so there’s no need to put a sight on it, it won’t be accurate, the aiming base is small, and therefore the rail on the lid for a flashlight ... so all that is described in the article is such as tuning ... a sniper rifle will not work out of Kalash ... and actually cheers and hat-making again ...

              not visible in the photo, but I assume that the receiver cover has a more rigid way of fixing than the original. This is actually a really key point, on AK 12 it is realized through a swivel joint in the front part, here the back of the receiver has a different shape and apparently the connection node with the receiver, and not on the latch of the bolt spring.
      4. +36
        15 September 2015 20: 17
        Many people here and abroad constantly argue which is better, the Russian or Western philosophy of small arms. To which I have been telling them for many years. Instead of disputes, just imagine that you are flying to another planet one way and you have to take a weapon with you. What weapon do you choose? I talked about this with different people from many countries. And I constantly heard only one answer. The Russian Kalashnikov is not in competition. And with modern "body kits" he is still the most reliable "friend" of a soldier. And the latest modifications of Kalashnikov turn into the deadliest car for many decades to come.
        1. -80
          15 September 2015 21: 24
          Quote: Observer2014
          Russian Kalashnikov in no competition.

          Why are you going to shoot at all? Just? Then it’s better to choose some kind of software. Cheap and cheerful. If you are going to shoot efficiently and in war, then better M16 (2 and more) has not yet been invented. Yes, a little expensive. But very effective.
          And the Kalashnikovs are popular only in those countries where there are no demographic problems. And not enough money.
          1. +2
            15 September 2015 21: 38
            Quote: turk
            it's better M16A (2 or more) has not been invented yet. Yes, a little expensive. But very effective.

            then Heckler-Koch HK417 ...

            The Heckler-Koch HK417 automatic rifle is based on a short-stroke gas piston located above the barrel (similar to the Heckler-Koch G36 rifle). The barrel is locked by a rotary bolt with 7 lugs. A feature of the NK417 design is the possibility of a relatively quick (3-5 minutes) replacement of barrels by the user himself and using a minimum of tools. A total of 4 barrels are offered - the usual lengths of 30 and 40 centimeters and the "sniper" (improved processing) lengths of 40 and 50 centimeters. When using "sniper" barrels and appropriate cartridges, the rifle provides accuracy of firing with single shots at the level of 1 arc minute (1 MOA).
            Better yet, this one ...
            1. -10
              15 September 2015 21: 53
              Quote: PSih2097
              then Heckler-Koch HK417

              I do not agree. It's all about the 7,62 × 51 mm NATO cartridge. From him and hemorrhoids with interchangeable trunks. Some supporters of this concept have already gotten burned 70 years ago. This is the same case. On this cartridge, self-loading is appropriate. Maximum, dead automatic rifle. But, I repeat, dead. Actually not even automatic, but self-loading, with the ability to conduct automatic fire.
              So, only the cartridge with the SS109 bullet. The killer thing.
            2. +1
              16 September 2015 09: 32
              Quote: PSih2097
              like a Heckler-Koch rifle G36).

              Quote: PSih2097
              4 variants of barrels are offered - regular lengths of 30 and 40 centimeters and "sniper" (improved processing) lengths of 40 and 50 centimeters

              If we take into account that just now the G36 is being withdrawn from service due to problems with firing accuracy (barrel overheating when firing in bursts), then this whole Heckler-Koch venture with a set of barrels of different lengths (and different ballistics!) Looks just like a cardboard dope - distraction from the failed G36.
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          2. c3r
            +17
            15 September 2015 21: 58
            Computer games need to be played less.
            1. -42
              15 September 2015 22: 13
              Quote: c3r
              Computer games need to be played less.

              Are you talking to yourself? In vain. Doctors do not approve.
          3. +16
            15 September 2015 22: 39
            Quote: turk
            Quote: Observer2014
            Russian Kalashnikov in no competition.

            Why are you going to shoot at all? Just? Then it’s better to choose some kind of software. Cheap and cheerful. If you are going to shoot efficiently and in war, then better M16 (2 and more) has not yet been invented. Yes, a little expensive. But very effective.
            And the Kalashnikovs are popular only in those countries where there are no demographic problems. And not enough money.

            In real hostilities, the reliability of the weapon in all conditions of use, plus MTBF, is of utmost importance. According to these parameters, Kalash has no equal. And accuracy, accuracy of fire is quite acceptable. good . But in the dash M16 is probably preferable hi
            1. -12
              15 September 2015 22: 44
              Quote: Nick
              Quote: turk
              Quote: Observer2014
              Russian Kalashnikov in no competition.

              Why are you going to shoot at all? Just? Then it’s better to choose some kind of software. Cheap and cheerful. If you are going to shoot efficiently and in war, then better M16 (2 and more) has not yet been invented. Yes, a little expensive. But very effective.
              And the Kalashnikovs are popular only in those countries where there are no demographic problems. And not enough money.

              In real hostilities, the reliability of the weapon in all conditions of use, plus MTBF, is of utmost importance. According to these parameters, Kalash has no equal. And accuracy, accuracy of fire is quite acceptable. good . But in the dash M16 is probably preferable hi

              I never used Kalashnikov, but for 3 years of service, neither the M-16 nor the M-4 was satisfactory.
              1. +9
                15 September 2015 23: 53
                But it would be necessary to compare .. At least for the purity of the experiment .. I think you will feel and see the difference ..
                1. -4
                  16 September 2015 00: 45
                  Quote: Ile Ham
                  But it would be necessary to compare .. At least for the purity of the experiment .. I think you will feel and see the difference ..

                  What's the point? The rifle suits me, and I use this at training camps. If you follow the weapon it perfectly shows itself in any conditions. And at least give Kalashniks to sluts, at least he will have problems with them.
              2. +22
                16 September 2015 02: 01
                I have been engaged in shooting sports for 30 years, and the sniper was where and when needed. Of course, and in a foreign land, my favorite shooting sport did not give up. So about the lack of complaints. I have such a device M4 Koltovsky. Well, an accurate machine to shoot quickly and very conveniently, if the cartridge is good (not surprise) then there is almost no pollution. But .... My friend wedges, wedges. It also happens. My rifle works in greenhouse conditions only in a shooting range, though it has already reached a decent enough point for 6. So don’t blaspheme, it wedges a dirty wedge easily especially after firing in bursts. He personally caught a wedge in a dash in Vegas after two stores. So do not ...
                1. -3
                  16 September 2015 10: 43
                  Quote: tracer
                  I have been engaged in shooting sports for 30 years, and the sniper was where and when needed. Of course, and in a foreign land, my favorite shooting sport did not give up. So about the lack of complaints. I have such a device M4 Koltovsky. Well, an accurate machine to shoot quickly and very conveniently, if the cartridge is good (not surprise) then there is almost no pollution. But .... My friend wedges, wedges. It also happens. My rifle works in greenhouse conditions only in a shooting range, though it has already reached a decent enough point for 6. So don’t blaspheme, it wedges a dirty wedge easily especially after firing in bursts. He personally caught a wedge in a dash in Vegas after two stores. So do not ...

                  Why should I lie to you, dear? For 3 years, there were no complaints. Yes, and now at the training camp without any complaints.
                2. +3
                  16 September 2015 11: 38
                  "But .... my friend wins, wedges" ////

                  What do you mean by "wedge"?
                  Sometimes the M-16 had an undelivered cartridge. You distort
                  you throw out the cartridge, shoot further. More often it happened
                  due to a defect in the store.
                  I don’t remember anything like that for the M-16 to "wedge" tightly.
                  Here the MAG machine gun once jammed "completely". Carried
                  to the gunsmiths.
                  1. c3r
                    +3
                    16 September 2015 21: 15
                    Several times the Kalash didn’t shoot either. There was such a thing! Only the problem was that the cartridges ran out. No overfilling and underfilling was observed. Here is the KPVT-14,5mm on the MPTP machine with exactly the flour, the constant sticking of the cartridges into the metal trays, and the Kalash nothing, just clean and charge on time! good
              3. +1
                16 September 2015 04: 28
                Quote: Hello
                I never used Kalashnikov, but for 3 years of service, neither the M-16 nor the M-4 was satisfactory.

                But just the same in vain, everything is known in comparison.
              4. c3r
                +6
                16 September 2015 21: 08
                I assure you that during the 18 years of my military service, the Kalashnikov also never failed me. I didn’t let him down 6 times, right? hi
                1. -2
                  16 September 2015 22: 35
                  Quote: c3r
                  for 18 years of military service, Kalashnikov also never failed

                  And for 50 years, the pitchfork never let me down. The best army weapon, is the pitchfork?
                  1. 0
                    17 September 2015 17: 22
                    Quote: turk
                    The best army weapon, is the pitchfork?

                    The best army weapons are brains!
                    "c36" compared the MTBF of the Kalashnikov and another machine gun. Compared quite rightly. So why are you twisting - "pitchfork" ?! If only to leave the last word for yourself? Yes
                    1. 0
                      21 September 2015 09: 05
                      Quote: Svateev
                      "c36" compared the MTBF of the Kalashnikov and another machine gun. Compared quite rightly.

                      Which one? What kind of machine did he compare with?
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                  3. c3r
                    0
                    17 September 2015 21: 00
                    When there is nothing to say, humor begins in a Petrosian way!
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            2. -36
              15 September 2015 22: 46
              Quote: Nick
              In real hostilities, the reliability of the weapon in all conditions of use, plus MTBF, is of utmost importance. According to these parameters, Kalash has no equal.

              You're dramatizing. Believe me, high-quality imported weapons are expensive for a reason.
              Quote: Nick
              And accuracy, accuracy of fire is quite acceptable.

              And what is this, some interesting indicators? And what kind of factory products can it be? Anyone.
              Quote: Nick
              But in dash M16 is probably preferable

              I emphasize that any M16 is better. But M16A2 and beyond, even better. And not only in the dash, but also on the battlefield. Because the task of army weapons, the destruction of enemy forces. And the M16 handles this much better than the AK-74. Just laid in their performance characteristics.
              1. +13
                15 September 2015 23: 19
                Quote: turk
                I emphasize that any M16 is better. But M16A2 and beyond, even better. And not only in the dash, but also on the battlefield. Because the task of army weapons, the destruction of enemy forces. And the M16 handles this much better than the AK-74. Just laid in their performance characteristics.


                Excuse me, will you be from Pimply? Something he has not been seen for a long time.
                1. -29
                  15 September 2015 23: 21
                  Quote: bunta
                  Excuse me, will you be from Pimply?

                  Are you so kidding?
                  And about the M16, everything is correct. You praise AK in vain. In fact, this is not a very good weapon. And its pluses, and they are, are doubtful. Especially the AK-47 / AKM. There is generally a complete blockage. Propaganda. And free gifts to "friends" in incredible quantities. And nothing more.
                  Believe me, I understand this well. Highly.
                  For the entire Soviet period was not put into service NO ONE a good cartridge for small arms. The closest to normal is that of the AK-74. But he is not quite. And from a bad seed (cartridge) do not expect a good tribe.
                  1. +2
                    15 September 2015 23: 58
                    Which cartridge do you think is good?
                    1. -3
                      16 September 2015 18: 38
                      Quote: dokusib
                      Which cartridge do you think is good?

                      All. All air-conditioned cartridges are more or less good. And they differ mainly in specialization.
                      As for individual small arms, in my opinion today the weapon on the 5,56 × 45 mm NATO cartridge with the SS109 bullet is certainly the best.
                      Incidentally, I don’t have anything special against Kalashnikov as a constructive. Maybe you just need to redo it under this cartridge. And the deal with the end.
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                  3. +14
                    16 September 2015 00: 01
                    Sorry, TURK, but in my opinion you are not X .. (not used to swearing publicly) do not think in general not only in any small arms, but also in the tactics and strategy of its use .. And especially in its advantages (in practice) .
                    1. -5
                      16 September 2015 18: 48
                      Quote: Ile Ham
                      You don’t think not only in any small arms, but also in the tactics and strategies of its use.

                      I'm glad that you, Ham, understand this. Yes, there are few more strategists of your level in the country. Few. But nothing, soon you will finish school and show everyone how to.
              2. +4
                15 September 2015 23: 55
                Pledged - does not mean that it really is! Do you understand the difference?
                1. -6
                  16 September 2015 18: 49
                  Quote: Ile Ham
                  Pledged - does not mean that it really is! Do you understand the difference?

                  Pledged, this means that it will not be better than written. Learn Russian, come in handy.
              3. +4
                16 September 2015 09: 20
                Quote: turk
                Believe me, high-quality imported weapons are expensive for a reason.

                Where did you jump into this site, kid? Who are you selling such cheap "arguments" to ?! Whom should we take at your word - you, dropout ?!
                Quote: turk
                And what is this, some interesting indicators?

                Estimate, accuracy and accuracy of fire - these are very "interesting" indicators!
                Quote: turk
                And what kind of factory products can it be? Anyone.

                And they can be different for products from different factories. Very different.
                Quote: turk
                I emphasize

                We listen barely breathing !!!
                Quote: turk
                better any M16

                Especially the first model, with which the Americans died in platoons due to the fact that she massively "wedged", which is confirmed by the Pentagon itself.
                Quote: turk
                And the M16 handles this much better than the AK-74. Just laid in their performance characteristics.

                It's just that cats breed. And everything about weapons is not easy at all.
                1. -9
                  16 September 2015 19: 01
                  Quote: Svateev
                  Who should we take our word for - you, dropout ?!

                  You’re funny, Svateev. In my anger.
                  Quote: Svateev
                  Estimate, accuracy and accuracy of fire - these are very "interesting" indicators!

                  Estimate it is the NORMAL (standard) INDICATORS. For factory weapons. If you also decided to compare the basement samopals, these are your problems.
                  Quote: Svateev
                  And they can be different for products from different factories. Very different.

                  Then these are not factories. And haberdashery factories. Left handed at night.
                  Quote: Svateev
                  Especially the first model, with which the Americans died in platoons due to the fact that she massively "wedged", which is confirmed by the Pentagon itself.

                  My dear. After watching the tests of the "terrible M16" in Vietnam, the USSR sent everything that is dear to you. Namely, the "genius intermediate cartridge" and all the weapons on it. Yes, yes, those very "unique" AK-47s and others like it. And once again, for the 101st time, he rearmed the SA with a new weapon in the image and likeness of the "terrible M16". However, haste is needed only when catching fleas. Therefore, the patron was screwed up in the USSR. Made it not powerful enough. Calculation error.
                  And the "stupid Americans" did everything slowly and in a way. We have adopted a new cartridge and a more powerful weapon on it. They named it M16A2.
                  Teach materiel, Svateev.
                  1. +2
                    17 September 2015 13: 31
                    Quote: turk
                    powerful.

                    Turk, or more correctly ZVZO or maybe 190815, do you come up with new terms? Listen, get out of VO, you already got everyone here, because you don’t even have enough brains to do it, all you can do is, after you have been busted again, change your nickname and rub the same schizophrenic ideas under a new nickname.
                    PS residents of Urava’s brains were beaten out, the impression is that it’s not a person but a robot that follows the laid down algorithm - registering an account on VO with replacing the flag of the country 404 with the flag of the USSR, an attempt to bring in schizophrenic ideas, draining, deleting the old account and registering a new one again under the flag USSR and with the same delusional posts-again drain and again in a new way. The fourth account is already backwater once for another brain is not enough.
                    1. -3
                      17 September 2015 13: 38
                      How are you feeling? It seems that it’s not very good. Get well.
                      1. 0
                        17 September 2015 17: 59
                        I’m fine, but you’re really not friends with your head - have you forgotten your “old” nicknames “ZVTSO” and “190815”? Well come on, start rubbing in about the effective range of the PPSh at 30 meters and further down the list, otherwise I have already stocked up on popcorn.
                        PS no, well, what kind of stupid Troll has gone in Ugukostan now !? Probably Euro-integrated.
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                  2. 0
                    17 September 2015 16: 19
                    Quote: turk
                    you, Svateev.

                    Baaaaa! Yes, you’re literate: managed to translate the name written in Latin letters into Cyrillic !! Not every one like you is given ...
                    Now essentially.
                    Quote: turk
                    Over the entire Soviet period, not a single good cartridge for small arms was put into service. The closest to normal is that of AK-74. But he wasn’t quite ... screwed up with a cartridge in the USSR. Made not powerful enough. Error in the calculations.

                    Nonsense. The cartridge for the AK74 is better than the cartridge for the M16: the initial velocity of the bullet, therefore, the range of a direct shot is greater. Punching is better. The only worse is the stopping effect, and this is only because the M16 bullet, in violation of an international convention, loses stability when it enters the human body, causing greater damage than the AK74 bullet.
                    Quote: turk
                    After watching the tests of the "terrible M16" in Vietnam, the USSR sent everything that is dear to you. Namely, the "genius intermediate cartridge" and all the weapons on it. Yes, yes, those "unique" AK-47s and others like it. And once again, for the 101st time, he rearmed the SA with a new weapon in the image and likeness of the "terrible M16"

                    If you had ever disassembled an AK (there is no such machine "AK-47") or AKM, you would know that the AK74 is their twin, only of a smaller caliber. So no "in the image and likeness of M16". By the way, even AKs are still fighting, but M16 of the first issues for a long time, even in a single bandit formation, were thrown out for complete unusability.
                    Quote: turk
                    They called him M16A2.

                    Well then, if THEY and HIM, and NAME (how much pathos!), Then everyone should go to bed and die right now ... lol
                    Quote: turk
                    You are my dear.

                    Give up these gay European habits! "Dear" you have somewhere there. And here you will have Russia and you will quickly clap at the "dear" one ... am
                    1. -1
                      21 September 2015 09: 12
                      Quote: Svateev
                      Yes, you’re literate: managed to translate the name written in Latin letters into Cyrillic !!

                      Do you like talking to the TV? You don’t see that your opponent cannot answer you? Why, then, strike out at someone who cannot answer you? Some kind of scoundrel.
                    2. -1
                      21 September 2015 09: 16
                      And not only a scoundrel, but also an ignoramus. Here they are "pearls", flooded:
                      Quote: Svateev
                      The cartridge for AK74 is better than the cartridge for M16: the initial velocity of the bullet, therefore, the range of a direct shot is greater. Punching is better. The only worse is the stopping effect, and this is only because the M16 bullet, in violation of the international convention, loses stability when it enters the human body, which causes greater damage than the AK74 bullet.

                      Quote: Svateev
                      So no "in the image and likeness of M16".

                      Quote: Svateev
                      And here you will have Russia and you will quickly clap at the "dear" one ...

                      Every word is nonsense. And where the administration is looking. Why are such comments allowed to write?
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              4. +4
                16 September 2015 09: 37
                Quote: turk
                Believe me, high-quality imported weapons are expensive for a reason.

                Believe fool Especially because your arguments for a mile away stink of custom trolling!
                1. -4
                  16 September 2015 18: 50
                  Quote: Svateev
                  per mile stink of custom trolling

                  Yes? And who is the customer?
                  1. +1
                    17 September 2015 16: 29
                    Quote: turk
                    Yes? And who is the customer?

                    What, no customer? On its own, without a customer ?! Was he born like that?
              5. c3r
                +3
                16 September 2015 21: 41
                And then we remove the AK-74 and take the AK "hundredth" series and compare it with your "miracle machine for destroying enemy manpower." I assume that the M16a (with all the numbers) is nervously smoking? soldier
                1. -9
                  16 September 2015 22: 09
                  Quote: c3r
                  and compare with your "miracle machine for the destruction of enemy manpower." I assume that M16a (with all the numbers) nervously smokes?

                  Why would she "smoke nervously"? What is so interesting in this series? Another option that is on the NATO cartridge (AK-101) can be considered. It will only give way to M16 slightly. There is nothing more interesting there.
                  1. +2
                    16 September 2015 22: 14
                    Quote: turk
                    on NATO cartridge (AK-101) can be considered. It will only slightly yield to the M16. There is nothing more interesting there.

                    Well you tenacious laughing

                    I’m more interested - who is restoring your rate to you? wink

                    - registered - yesterday. This morning - already in turtles, EMNIP
                    - and now - again -450 .. where else -2500 have gone - a charade, right? belay

                    Suggests funny thoughts, you know wink
                    1. -5
                      16 September 2015 22: 20
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Suggests funny thoughts, you know

                      I hope the Englishwoman crap? bully
                      1. 0
                        16 September 2015 22: 24
                        Quote: turk
                        I hope the Englishwoman crap?

                        Yes, I'm exactly .. a hundred times hi
                      2. -3
                        16 September 2015 22: 26
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        exactly a hundred times

                        I will think ...
                  2. c3r
                    0
                    17 September 2015 21: 11
                    Before that, it was popularly explained to you that Kalash is a very reliable, powerful and quite accurate and easy to use (for infantry weapon) thing, besides it is also extremely popular both with ours and yours. But your M16 (and blah, blah) is very popular in action movies (and not all of them) and with amers with their suction cups (because there’s nowhere to support your VPK!) hi
                    1. -1
                      21 September 2015 09: 19
                      Quote: c3r
                      Kalash is a very reliable, powerful and fairly accurate and easy to use (for infantry weapons) thing, besides it is also extremely popular with both ours and yours.

                      Learn the materiel. Our you and yours.
                      A little aside, on general topics.
                      I was always surprised by the habit of my comrades to scrape some semi-finished product, and then go over the ears of people that this semi-finished product is the best in the world. And successfully. After all, what kind of problems does people have? No education, no comparative analysis, no. And "patriotism" is very developed. Therefore, it is easy to deceive him. He himself is glad to be deceived. But all over the world people are educated. Literate. And here the comrades are in trouble.
                      And so, look at any Soviet weapon. It is "the best in the world". Is always. In any case.
                      Still, these comrades are funny. The backward country of the third world, producing the best products in the world. Where is this seen? This can never be in principle. Contrary to the law of common sense. Unless a couple of key positions where all forces are concentrated. And that’s all.
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          4. +4
            16 September 2015 05: 51
            Even the Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq used AK - it has no equal in reliability.
          5. +2
            16 September 2015 10: 01
            it's better M16A (2 or more) has not been invented yet.


            You can write anything, the paper will endure everything, but the consumer votes with his money, and not with a discussion of a product. None of the options you proposed in terms of quantity have even come close to Kalashnikov, and everything else, all these articles and ratings, are from the evil one.
            1. +2
              16 September 2015 14: 59
              So Americans from Russia buy AK AKs for PMCs protecting oil towers in the east, American gas mechanics from AK put weapons on the channel on the AP15 to at least somehow increase reliability. This indicates the quality and reliability of the M16!
          6. +1
            16 September 2015 17: 32
            Quote: turk
            Then it’s better to choose some kind of software. Cheap and cheerful. If you are going to shoot efficiently and in war, then better M16A (2 or more) has not yet been invented.

            It is a pity that the US Army MTR soldiers are not in the know. They grab an AK on occasion. "Well, stupid!" (C))))
            You, "dear", did you shoot from this American Laiba? After the third magazine, fired at a brisk pace, she warms up so that the shooter can guarantee complete secrecy of the bullet's flight.
            About reliability and the ability to work in the field and say no.
            1. -3
              16 September 2015 20: 42
              Quote: Rattenfanger
              After the third store, shot at a cheerful pace, it warms up so that the shooter can guarantee complete secrecy of the bullet’s flight.

              I recommend that you load not the fourth but the third AK-74 horn with tracers. And at the pace to shoot the first 2. You will see an enchanting picture on the 3rd. Figuratively it can be called a "sower". So, don't la-la.
              1. -1
                17 September 2015 16: 37
                Quote: turk
                I recommend that you charge with tracers not the fourth, but the third horn of the AK-74. And pace to shoot the first 2. You will see an enchanting picture on 3.

                Do you even understand what you said ?! After 2 shops without tracers, seeing tracers on the 3 m is naturally enchanting: then there were no bullets to be seen, but then it suddenly became visible ... And so, these are tracers!
                I wanted to say something else - so choose the right words! tongue
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              3. -1
                17 September 2015 18: 09
                Quote: turk
                I recommend that you charge with tracers not the fourth, but the third horn of the AK-74.

                IN NO CASE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CHARGE THE TRACERS ARE A CONTRACT EVEN MORE THAN A few PIECES, BUT NOT THE WHOLE STORE! Read the weapon guide! The tracer remains soot in the trunk and therefore the bullet following the tracer flies out at a slower speed. And if the tracers are charged in a row, then after several shots the next bullet can even get stuck in the barrel.
                Therefore, if you load even the first store with tracers, you will see "spits". But these "spits" will confirm the stupidity of the shooter, not the shortcomings of the machine.
                1. +1
                  18 September 2015 10: 43
                  Quote: Svateev
                  The tracer remains soot in the trunk and therefore the bullet following the tracer flies out at a slower speed.

                  Shaw you smoke so delicious there? the "fud" from the tracer in the barrel is no more than from other cartridges, because the tracer composition itself begins to flare up at a distance of 30-70 m from the muzzle, the problem is different - because of the glass with the tracer, the bullet received a characteristic shape with a long leading part, which leads to increased friction in the bore and, accordingly, to increased heating, and in the case of systematic "abuse" of tracers affects the resource of the barrel.
                  carefully look at the picture and realize the rightmost 7t3 tracer
                  1. -1
                    18 September 2015 14: 17
                    Quote: gross kaput
                    Why are you smoking so tasty there?

                    Nah! We don’t smoke anything at all. Therefore, we have a clear head and we can evaluate the problems as a whole. laughing
                    Quote: gross kaput
                    the tracer train starts to flare up at a distance of 30-70 m from the muzzle end, the problem is different - because of the cup with the tracer, the bullet got a characteristic shape with a long leading part, which leads to increased friction in the barrel bore and, accordingly, to increased heating,

                    1) When the composition "flares up" is a moot point. And the fact is that "the tracer composition ignites the flame from the powder charge WHEN FIRING", that is, in the barrel [Manual on shooting AK 1957, p. 48]. And therefore, the tracer composition simply cannot not leave excess carbon deposits in the barrel.
                    2) A cup for tracer composition is definitely available
                    and this cup may create excess friction (see picture below).
                    But what’s interesting: the Americans developed a new tracer composition and allowed new equipment to equip the entire store (tape) with new tracer cartridges. And no cup on the new pool gives either warm-up or barrel wear.
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                      18 September 2015 18: 42
                      Quote: Svateev
                      Therefore we have a clear head

                      besides a clear head you need something else in it and knowledge smile
                      Quote: Svateev
                      When the composition "flares up" is a moot point.

                      For some, the question of the shape of the earth is still controversial, while others simply know that the earth is round laughing
                      Quote: Svateev
                      And the fact is

                      It is a fact that NSD is written for military personnel who have no sense in clogging their brains with extra details - the instructions for your mobile phone probably do not have the number of capacitors in its design, but this does not mean that they are not there. laughing
                      In the bullet of the T45 cartridge or in another 57-T-231P that you have presented, the pyrotechnic composition consists of three parts of the ignitor of the gear train and the tracer composition, when fired, the gases ignite the igniter composition which has a very small volume and does not affect the formation of soot through then, after the bullet takes off, the transmission train flares up and at a distance of 50 to 120 meters (according to the passport) the tracer just flares up, the delay was made specifically to reduce the shooter's unmasking.
                      Quote: Svateev
                      and this cup may create excess friction

                      The cup does not create anything, increased friction is caused by the shell of the bullet having a long leading part due to the need to place the cup and nozzle.
                      Quote: Svateev
                      But here is what is interesting:

                      It will be interesting when, instead of trying to invent a bicycle on your own, you open books and read what is why and why, the benefit of textbooks like "Production of small arms cartridges" by Comrade Malov, published in 1947 and others.
                      Quote: Svateev
                      the Americans developed a new tracer composition and allowed new tracer cartridges to equip the entire store (tape).

                      Caliber, cartridge index in the studio, otherwise I heard a lot of fun
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            3. 0
              16 September 2015 22: 32
              Oh, do not tell this nonsense about amers howling with Kalashnikov. Believe about clips, and after the fifth and sixth shoots perfectly.
    2. +2
      15 September 2015 17: 03
      Quote: Roman1970
      Well, I think, not bad, and not very expensive.

      The Israeli butt (similar, but not folding) on ​​the AK-47 cost 7000r a year ago. At the price of the 15000p machine itself.
      1. +14
        15 September 2015 17: 19
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Israeli butt (similar, but not folding) on ​​the AK-47 cost a year ago 7000r

        So it's Israeli. How much do the Israeli "machines" cost, remember?
      2. -1
        15 September 2015 18: 23
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Roman1970
        Well, I think, not bad, and not very expensive.

        The Israeli butt (similar, but not folding) on ​​the AK-47 cost 7000r a year ago. At the price of the 15000p machine itself.

        I already saw it somewhere. fellow
        1. +2
          15 September 2015 19: 36
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          I already saw it somewhere.

          Hello Aron. hi You can’t argue against the obvious, the butt is convenient (shot). The price is embarrassing, when it’s massive it’s impractical from an economic point of view hi .
          1. +2
            15 September 2015 21: 06
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            I already saw it somewhere.

            Hello Aron. hi You can’t argue against the obvious, the butt is convenient (shot). The price is embarrassing, when it’s massive it’s impractical from an economic point of view hi .

            Well, if Vietnam and Colombia buy it in tens of thousands of units, then for Russia it’s generally a penny.
    3. +1
      15 September 2015 17: 08
      But after that you have to shoot him again.
      1. +2
        15 September 2015 21: 27
        Quote: Grabber2000
        But after that you have to shoot him again.

        So what? If you want to hit the target, and not scare - to shoot periodically NECESSARY!
        1. +10
          16 September 2015 00: 04
          In normal units, after receiving ANY weapon (and, even I’ll tell you a secret, after securing the weapon to the soldier), it SHOULD shoot him ..
    4. +7
      15 September 2015 17: 09
      With this kit the old man will still fight. Rather, it is necessary to switch to a series, because so far it is a very expensive pleasure.
      1. +2
        15 September 2015 17: 51
        Quote: juborg
        With this kit the old man will still fight. Rather, it is necessary to switch to a series, because so far it is a very expensive pleasure.

        ---------------------
        He will fight without a body kit, nothing is said about replacing the bolt frame and other parts of the working mechanism ...
        1. +1
          15 September 2015 20: 05
          Quote: Altona
          Quote: juborg
          With this kit the old man will still fight. Rather, it is necessary to switch to a series, because so far it is a very expensive pleasure.

          ---------------------
          He will fight without a body kit, nothing is said about replacing the bolt frame and other parts of the working mechanism ...


          The inside is the same, the receiver cover is changing, forend, butt, etc. I read somewhere, the whole set in the series will cost about 4-5 thousand rubles, possibly cheaper, it all depends on the series.
          1. +3
            15 September 2015 21: 52
            Quote: juborg
            I read somewhere, the whole set in the series will cost about 4-5 thousand rubles, possibly cheaper, it all depends on the series.

            go to the site of the zenith and be surprised ... 30 000 rubles and this is without optics ...
            shtatovsky Kit on AK / Saiga costs from $ 300 to $ 800 ..
            1. 0
              16 September 2015 03: 30
              All this mutation comes from behind the hill, hence the price is like in jewelry. Our series will be several times cheaper. Now the butt from the "brothers" of the Jews costs about 5-6 thousand rubles. You can't shoot from the stock, a bad collimator from 10.
        2. 0
          17 September 2015 20: 21
          And why should it be "weighed" at all? Fashion? For optics and nightlights, there was a groove on the left of the "dovetail" type before, and nothing fired. Another question is that the attachment points of modern sights, incl. colimator, now we have unified with foreign ones. Yes, plus pictures from computer shooters. Hence the "body kits" so that young warriors all over the world like the weapon. Beauty is a terrible force, isn't it?
    5. +13
      15 September 2015 17: 26
      Quote: Roman1970
      I think not bad

      And what, directly the picatinny rail itself increases efficiency by 1,5 times? smile
      1. +30
        15 September 2015 17: 49
        Quote: Vladimirets
        And what, directly the picatinny rail itself increases efficiency by 1,5 times?

        Naturally. You can scratch your face on it. laughing
        1. +4
          16 September 2015 00: 08
          And also nails do not need to be cut. SIMPLY FINGER ON THE PLANK !!!
      2. +6
        15 September 2015 17: 53
        Quote: Vladimirets
        And what, directly the picatinny rail itself increases efficiency by 1,5 times?

        ------------------
        If there is a collimator, yes, and so, it’s just a design element, and clinging to clothes ...
        1. +3
          15 September 2015 18: 00
          Quote: i80186
          Naturally. You can scratch your face on it.

          Quote: Altona
          If there is a collimator, yes, and so, it’s just a design element, and clinging to clothes ...

          Here I am about this, all these bells and whistles are either an intermediate link for another kit, or for convenience, things, of course, are useful, but they are too loudly announced. request
        2. +6
          15 September 2015 18: 32
          Quote: Altona
          If there is a collimator, yes, and so, it’s just a design element, and clinging to clothes ...

          Where the collimator is asked to stand ak .., the sense of it is zero .. The spring rests on the lid, and it itself moves quite decently when shooting.
          I would attribute the stated improvements 1. to the butt .. Apparently with the shock absorber the application line is probably displaced and 2. this is the new DTK .., which is called flame arrestor by accident .. what is encryption for?
        3. -36
          15 September 2015 19: 32
          Quote: Altona
          If there is a collimator, yes

          Why AK collimator? To hunt for protein? In the eye to beat?
          1. +12
            15 September 2015 20: 00
            Quote: turk
            Why AK collimator? To hunt for protein? In the eye to beat?

            For decency, at least they looked at Wiki.
            "... Collimator sighting systems are systems that use a collimator to construct an image of a reticle projected into infinity. In fact, radiation from a light source in a sight is reflected by a collimator lens into the observer's eye in a parallel stream. As a result, the observer's pupil does not have to be on the optical axis of the sight, it is enough that it is within the projection of the sight lens along this axis.When transverse movements of the eye, the sighting mark from the point of view of the observer moves along the sight lens, remaining on the aiming point regardless of the position of the observer's eye relative to the sight. the limits of the projection of the lens, the aiming mark is "hidden" behind its edge.

            A collimator sight provides a very high aiming speed - about 2-3 times higher than traditional "fly" ones, since when aiming, you need to combine only two points - a red luminous mark, which is visible through the eyepiece and, in fact, the target itself, while the eye is accommodated at a distance to the target (in mechanical sights - usually at the front sight, the rear sight and the target are visible out of focus) .... "

            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BB
            1. -34
              15 September 2015 20: 08
              Quote: Homo
              Collimator sight provides very high aiming speed

              You do not understand the question? Then I rephrase why a cow needs a saddle?
              1. +7
                15 September 2015 21: 08
                - It is believed that the use of a collimator sight simplifies the use of weapons by poorly trained shooters ... and also improves the visual perception of the environment (when aiming, both eyes are open). But retraining for him is still a pleasure ... the left eye does not come off ... laughing
                1. +5
                  15 September 2015 21: 10
                  Quote: saygon66
                  - It is believed that the use of a collimator sight simplifies the use of weapons by poorly trained shooters ... and also improves the visual perception of the environment (when aiming, both eyes are open). But retraining for him is still a pleasure ... the left eye does not come off ... laughing

                  And in my opinion nothing complicated. You get used to it very quickly.
                  1. +2
                    15 September 2015 21: 42
                    - smile M. b. if you use "Eotek", with the "Chinese" everything is more complicated ...
                    1. 0
                      15 September 2015 21: 57
                      And what kind of Chinese samples? We were taught first to shoot from an open sight, then we were given "mepro" for everyone. Pomoymu is very convenient especially at night.
                      1. +1
                        15 September 2015 22: 13
                        - Fake on Aimpoint Micro ... and then, we, except from the open, did not shoot at all ... except for snipers, of course! Hence the irresistible "craving for new knowledge" smile
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                      3. 0
                        15 September 2015 22: 31
                        At night, the most "savory" problems arise (unless, of course, the brightness of the backlight is not adjustable).
                      4. 0
                        15 September 2015 22: 34
                        Quote: proletarian
                        At night, the most "savory" problems arise (unless, of course, the brightness of the backlight is not adjustable).

                        I did not notice any inconvenience compared to the open sight
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                2. -26
                  15 September 2015 21: 19
                  Quote: saygon66
                  the use of a collimator sight simplifies the use of weapons with poorly trained shooters ..

                  It is wonderful. But why is it AK with its ballistics? Pampering it. For special services and hunters. Massively for the army this is not necessary.
                  1. +6
                    15 September 2015 21: 30
                    - Contacts at short range ... Here, dispersion does not play a big role, but the speed with which you can make an accurate shot - yes ...
                    1. -7
                      16 September 2015 19: 04
                      Quote: saygon66
                      Here dispersal does not play a big role, but the speed with which you can produce an accurate shot - yes.

                      AK, this is an automatic weapon. He does not need special accuracy, and even at short range. The weapon for this is done automatically. In order not to require great accuracy from him.
                      1. +3
                        16 September 2015 22: 03
                        - smile I read it and immediately remembered: "Pull the trigger - and pray!" Motorized rifleman
                        there’s a collimator in the circuit (maybe!) and there’s nothing ... only where in recent years have they fought like that?
                        - It seems to me that any "gadget" that increases the usability of the "tool" has the right to be. You have to try - the unnecessary will be eliminated.
                      2. -6
                        16 September 2015 22: 18
                        Quote: saygon66
                        only where in recent years so fought?

                        So they didn’t fight.
                        Quote: saygon66
                        It seems to me that any "gadget" that increases the usability of the "tool" has the right to be.

                        I wrote about this from the very beginning. Special Forces. Intelligence services. The hunters. These, for God's sake. But this is not an army. The army does not need this.
                      3. +2
                        16 September 2015 22: 50
                        - So the army is changing ... "The army does not need it" - " stop Not allowed!"?
                        - It is not allowed for the "conscript" shooter to shoot from the PM, PKM - there are machine gunners for this, SVD - only to snipers. AGS - you can't even think ... But it's 95, and our shooting range is preparing teams for Chechnya ...
                        - "No need" - and ... zde! Cotton with "gilded" buttons, polished brass badges, "sidor" - and enough ... And you don't need "Abakan", TKB, "Grendel", "ankle boots", etc. And try?
                      4. -7
                        16 September 2015 23: 01
                        Quote: saygon66
                        Рђ РїРѕРїСЂРѕР ± РѕРІР ° ть?

                        You do not understand the point. But she is simple. The defeat of the enemy with army automatic weapons, as laid down in his philosophy and design, occurs in line. Devices for accurate single shooting such weapons are not needed in principle.
                        Maybe some NOT Army structures will want to use such army weapons to solve their problems. Then, probably, such a device could be useful to them. But the army, the ordinary army, for AUTOMATIC weapons such a device NOT necessary.
                        I hope I have explained in sufficient detail?
                      5. +2
                        17 September 2015 00: 46
                        - "Suha theory, my friend! And the tree of life is lushly green ..." (C) You probably know that the NSD recommends hitting targets with a Short burst of 3 shots ... I was present when one of the officers made a remark to the shooter for defeat targets with single shots, to which another, older in age and rank, past Afghan, noticed that the ammunition is not endless - he put a target with one shot - good fellow! "No need" is a death sentence to any innovation ... only practice will show!
                      6. -7
                        17 September 2015 00: 57
                        Quote: saygon66
                        You probably know that NSD recommends hitting targets with a short burst of 3 shots ...

                        Quote: saygon66
                        put the target with one shot

                        "Put down the target" and "put down the opponent" are not the same thing. Therefore, it is better to follow the NSD.
                        Quote: saygon66
                        to which another, older in age and rank, who passed Afghanistan, noticed that the ammunition is not infinite

                        It would be necessary to dismiss such a "veteran". He himself does not know the service, and does not allow others to serve.
                      7. +1
                        17 September 2015 01: 15
                        -So! If I understand correctly, an automatic weapon (AK in particular) is designed to create maximum density of fire, and accuracy is secondary here?
                      8. -5
                        17 September 2015 09: 57
                        Quote: saygon66
                        automatic weapons (AK in particular) are designed to create maximum density of fire, and accuracy is secondary here?

                        You understand absolutely correctly. The defeat of the target (as they say in textbooks, but in fact it is more correct to write, hitting the target) is provided by quantity, not quality. Therefore, devices that improve quality are inappropriate here. This is a "saddle for a cow", I already wrote about it.
                        If someone wants to shoot from AK single and for sure, then let him use it. But this is not an army, the army does not need it. She has another weapon for accurate single fire.
                      9. +3
                        17 September 2015 11: 13
                        - The indignant mind boiled ... There were even more questions ...
                        - AK - a perfect weapon that can not be improved in anything?
                        - AK - obsolete weapons that can not be improved in anything?
                        - M16 - an excellent weapon that has continuously improved since its inception, but nevertheless, is under threat of replacement (NK416, FN SKAR)?
                        - smile Excuse me, but you vividly reminded my relative, a military pensioner, with whom we somehow quarreled to death because of soldiers wearing knitted hats (a la balaco mantis), my grandfather almost earned a stroke, defending the statutory three ...
                      10. -6
                        17 September 2015 11: 24
                        Quote: saygon66
                        An indignant mind boiled ...

                        You are not "seething". You try to understand what they write to you. Then there will be no conclusions that you indicate.
                        Quote: saygon66
                        endangered replacement (NK416, FN SKAR)

                        You do not understand the point. It does not matter if M16A (2-?) Is replaced by NK416 or not. This is not of great and fundamental importance. Ballistics and ammunition will remain the same. This is the main thing.
                      11. +1
                        17 September 2015 17: 17
                        Quote: turk
                        It does not matter if M16 (2-?) Is replaced by NK416 or not. This is not of great and fundamental importance. Ballistics and ammunition will remain the same.

                        Replacing the barrel will not change the ballistics of ammunition ?! This is something new in ballistics!
                        RPK74 is not familiar with "turk" and therefore the same cartridge as AK74 shoots with a different initial bullet velocity and, accordingly, different external ballistics!
                      12. 0
                        17 September 2015 17: 17
                        Quote: turk
                        It does not matter if M16 (2-?) Is replaced by NK416 or not. This is not of great and fundamental importance. Ballistics and ammunition will remain the same.

                        Replacing the barrel will not change the ballistics of ammunition ?! This is something new in ballistics!
                        RPK74 is not familiar with "turk" and therefore the same cartridge as AK74 shoots with a different initial bullet velocity and, accordingly, different external ballistics!
                      13. 0
                        17 September 2015 18: 07
                        - Okay! Let the M-family be a wonderful weapon ... But, thanks to what it became so? Stoner's weapon genius has seen the light of the century? No-no! Because the manufacturers of the M-ki promptly responded to user requests, even experimented with an outright crap (such as an under-barrel shotgun). We all had one answer, "No need!" In red pencil, in the upper right corner ... That's why our weapon stopped in development ... and the AK is what it is, and if such a trifle as a "body kit" causes rejection, what can we say about changing the caliber or cartridge ... Big bosses always knew how to shoot ... even if they "shoot at the helmet" more often than in the field ...
                      14. +1
                        17 September 2015 17: 11
                        Quote: turk
                        Defeat the target (as they say in textbooks, but it’s actually more correct to write, hitting the target)

                        If "turk" had read at least one textbook, he would have known that the textbooks contain both "hit probability" and "hit probability" - two slightly different indicators.
                        Quote: turk
                        quantity is provided, not quality. Therefore, devices that improve quality are inappropriate here.

                        Bullshit! The quality of aiming, that is, the accuracy of combining the midpoint with the center of the target, and the quality of the weapon + cartridge system decreases the number of cartridges required to hit the target. Ideally, quality reduces the quantity to an 1 shot. Therefore, high-quality sights, weapons and ammunition are needed everywhere, in the army, first of all.
                        And "turk" is an outright "zaslanets". angry
                      15. +2
                        17 September 2015 01: 09
                        Quote: turk
                        You do not understand the point. But she is simple. The defeat of the enemy with army automatic weapons, as laid down in his philosophy and design, occurs in line


                        Afiget .. what nonsense .. you excuse me .. The target is hit by a bullet .. Bursts of fire to create a density of fire.
                        There are statistics .. During the 2nd World War, 20.000 was spent on hitting one target !!! cartridges. Despite the fact that the main weapon was not automatic then.
                      16. -5
                        17 September 2015 10: 05
                        Quote: dvina71
                        Bursts of fire to create a density of fire.

                        I am embarrassed to ask, why is this "density of fire" created?
                        Quote: dvina71
                        In times of the 2nd world, 20.000 was spent on defeating one target !!! cartridges.

                        What did you mean by that?
                      17. 0
                        17 September 2015 20: 44
                        Quote: turk
                        I am embarrassed to ask, why is this "density of fire" created?

                        And don’t be shy .. and if you don’t know something, ask.
                        I’m reading your comments ... such a cartridge, not like that ... When the bullets whistle around you, it will not matter to you which barrel they flew from .., in 41 they were pistol ... which terrified the Red Army soldiers ..., although very often they flew to them already at the end ... and couldn’t do much harm .. But it was so scary that the soldiers were in the trenches and waited for them to be crushed by tanks.
                        I tried a number of events to solve this problem ..
                      18. +2
                        17 September 2015 10: 20
                        The defeat of the enemy by army automatic weapons occurs short burst, 2 - 3 rounds. A fan is fired only with a fright, or in order to scare the enemy and win 1,5 - 2 seconds in order to get out of an open place, and only then start to fight thoughtfully.
                        You turk actually in conventional Army served?
                      19. -6
                        17 September 2015 11: 04
                        Quote: alecsis69
                        short burst

                        Is it a short queue anymore? Is this a "series of single shots"?
                        Quote: alecsis69
                        You turk actually served in the regular army?

                        Served and for many years. And what does it matter?
                      20. +2
                        17 September 2015 15: 05
                        Well, if for many years, then I’ll explain. A short burst of 2 - 3 shots falls quite heaped, designed for sighting fire, and increases the probability of hitting compared to a single shot slightly. Most likely, if you didn’t get solitary, then you won’t get a short burst. But if you hit, then the probability defeats short burst will be higher.
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                        19 September 2015 01: 18
                        they served in a household plow in a pigsty, and apart from a shovel and a chopper, I saw nothing.
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                        17 September 2015 16: 58
                        Quote: turk
                        Devices for accurate single shooting such weapons are not needed in principle.

                        "Accurate shooting devices" (in Russian it is called scopes, "turk") are not divided into scopes for single shooting and scopes for shooting in bursts. Sights can be accurate and not very accurate. The more accurate the sight, the better for any weapon, including an assault rifle in the army.
                        I hope you understand in enough detail?
                      25. 0
                        17 September 2015 16: 58
                        Quote: turk
                        Devices for accurate single shooting such weapons are not needed in principle.

                        "Accurate shooting devices" (in Russian it is called scopes, "turk") are not divided into scopes for single shooting and scopes for shooting in bursts. Sights can be accurate and not very accurate. The more accurate the sight, the better for any weapon, including an assault rifle in the army.
                        I hope you understand in enough detail?
                      26. 0
                        17 September 2015 16: 48
                        Quote: turk
                        Quote: saygon66 It seems to me that any "gadget" that increases usability is a "tool" has the right to be.
                        Special Forces. Intelligence services. The hunters. These, for God's sake. But this is not an army. The army does not need this.

                        How! The army does not need anything that increases the convenience of using the machine! That’s all your "turk" is revealed!
                      27. 0
                        17 September 2015 16: 48
                        Quote: turk
                        Quote: saygon66 It seems to me that any "gadget" that increases usability is a "tool" has the right to be.
                        Special Forces. Intelligence services. The hunters. These, for God's sake. But this is not an army. The army does not need this.

                        How! The army does not need anything that increases the convenience of using the machine! That’s all your "turk" is revealed!
                      28. 0
                        17 September 2015 16: 42
                        Quote: turk
                        The weapon for this is done automatically. In order not to require great accuracy from him.

                        Another nonsense.
                        The weapon is made automatic in order to increase the density of fire. But for automatic weapons, the more accurate the better: the probability of hitting is higher. Therefore, it is necessary to demand accuracy from automatic weapons, VERY NECESSARY.
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                4. +2
                  15 September 2015 22: 29
                  In principle, it is not difficult to retrain, the main thing is to overcome the "urge" to aim, given that the collimator does not magnify the object, you just need to aim the mark at the target (it is advisable to practice keeping the mark in the center of the lens) all because of the "damned" parallax.
              2. +3
                15 September 2015 22: 23
                A cow needs a saddle so that she considers herself a horse, and a "body kit" for an AK is necessary for ease of use by military personnel (after all, all people are different: arms, shoulders, neck, head), the effectiveness of the use of weapons depends on all these structural features of the human body. although personally I think such a number of Weaver strips is superfluous.
                1. -24
                  15 September 2015 22: 26
                  Quote: proletarian
                  and the "body kit" for AK is necessary for ease of use by military personnel

                  Planning to equip them with all military personnel? What shisha, if not secret?
              3. +12
                16 September 2015 03: 35
                Quote: turk
                Quote: Homo
                Collimator sight provides very high aiming speed

                You do not understand the question? Then I rephrase why a cow needs a saddle?

                turk, come out the troll! Baba Yaga is against me! I respect the opinions of others, but not in the case when the opponent no matter what to say, if only against. It’s just mental prostitution on your part!
                1. -5
                  16 September 2015 19: 06
                  Quote: ydjin
                  It’s just mental prostitution on your part!

                  Well, judge everyone by yourself.
                  1. +1
                    17 September 2015 02: 47
                    Quote: turk
                    Quote: ydjin
                    It’s just mental prostitution on your part!

                    Well, judge everyone by yourself.

                    Your answer is in style, D.U.R.A.K. himself! Believe me, looking from the side, you are a miserable sight. negative
                    1. -6
                      17 September 2015 10: 08
                      Quote: ydjin
                      looking from the side, you are a miserable sight

                      Why did you decide that your opinion in this life interests anyone at all? I’m not writing my opinion about you and other users. So you better be silent in a rag. They would look smarter.
              4. +3
                16 September 2015 09: 48
                Quote: turk
                You do not understand the question?

                This "you" did not understand the answer!
                Modern collimator sights are in principle less accurate than even the AK74 mechanical sector sight. Because they have only ONE aiming mark and therefore they need to be shot with only a direct shot. A direct shot is much faster to fire, but it is less accurate.
                1. -4
                  16 September 2015 19: 08
                  Quote: Svateev
                  A direct shot is much faster to fire, but less accurate

                  Did you understand what you wrote?
                  1. 0
                    17 September 2015 17: 46
                    Quote: turk
                    Quote: SvateevDirect shot is much faster to fire, but it is less accurate
                    Did you understand what you wrote?

                    And what is there that is incomprehensible for a "long serving in the army" even a Turk? Anyone who served knows that a direct shot is therefore recommended because it is much faster to make it - there is no need to determine the range to the target and set the appropriate sight (sight mark). Time for preparing the shot is saved.
                    Or does the Turk need to explain what "less accurate" means?
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              6. 0
                16 September 2015 22: 35
                You do not understand the question? Then I rephrase why a cow needs a saddle?


                Then, to ceteris paribus, to fire faster, in which the bullet hits the enemy, and not just fly in his direction.
                1. -5
                  16 September 2015 22: 44
                  Quote: Assistant
                  in which the bullet hits the enemy

                  This is already incorporated into the design of automatic weapons. A bullet will hit the enemy. The task of hitting him with a single shot is not set for automatic weapons.
                  This is a superfluous thing for army weapons. Extra show-off. Absolutely not affecting the performance characteristics of weapons. Money, apparently, is very necessary. So they are "modernizing".
                  1. +1
                    17 September 2015 17: 58
                    Quote: turk
                    This is already incorporated into the design of automatic weapons. A bullet will hit the enemy.

                    It’s even interesting - stupidity after stupidity as from a cornucopia!
                    Quote: turk
                    The task of hitting him with a single shot is not set for automatic weapons.

                    But it’s the turn to hit ?! And without a good sight, the machine gunner doesn’t fall in line, no one — neither short nor long.
                    Quote: turk
                    Superfluous show-offs. Absolutely no effect on the performance characteristics of weapons.

                    TTX weapons are heavily dependent on the sight. Those performance characteristics of machines that are indicated in the Manuals and Guides are performance characteristics with a sectoral focus. And we attach a collimator to the machine - we get other performance characteristics in terms of the probability of hitting and the recommended methods of shooting.
                  2. 0
                    17 September 2015 17: 58
                    Quote: turk
                    This is already incorporated into the design of automatic weapons. A bullet will hit the enemy.

                    It’s even interesting - stupidity after stupidity as from a cornucopia!
                    Quote: turk
                    The task of hitting him with a single shot is not set for automatic weapons.

                    But it’s the turn to hit ?! And without a good sight, the machine gunner doesn’t fall in line, no one — neither short nor long.
                    Quote: turk
                    Superfluous show-offs. Absolutely no effect on the performance characteristics of weapons.

                    TTX weapons are heavily dependent on the sight. Those performance characteristics of machines that are indicated in the Manuals and Guides are performance characteristics with a sectoral focus. And we attach a collimator to the machine - we get other performance characteristics in terms of the probability of hitting and the recommended methods of shooting.
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            2. +4
              15 September 2015 22: 16
              Yes, it does. Only at a distance of about 100 meters, then parallax affects i.e. deviation of the aiming mark from the direction of the bullet’s flight (I don’t take into account the very expensive collimators, since they will not be too expensive to supply them to the troops), and even up to one hundred meters the aiming speed and accuracy are doubled (on average).
          2. +11
            15 September 2015 21: 45
            Quote: turk
            Why AK collimator? To hunt for protein? In the eye to beat?

            In the ass! Did the collimator ever see when? laughing
            1. -25
              15 September 2015 21: 55
              Quote: Bayonet
              Did the collimator ever see when?

              Not. I am dark.
              The word "ballistics" at least when?
              1. +11
                16 September 2015 00: 01
                You shouldn't boast of your imaginary knowledge of weapons. You rightly said you are dark. Are you saying that AK has bad ballistics? Or is it the bullet? Well, let's tell me how the bullet trajectory changes at a distance of 300 meters and the relationship between this deviation and standard collimator aiming? And then you are carrying here heresy about not the ability of our allegedly MO to buy these body kits. Yes, and your praise of M16 touches me. I watched such nonsense on discovery, there are the same "experts" as you compared AKM and M4.
                1. -7
                  16 September 2015 19: 12
                  Quote: Mikhail Zubarev
                  how the bullet trajectory changes at a distance of 300 meters

                  The fact of the matter is that "guile". The norm for army small arms are 400 meters. But not one of the AKs falls short of this norm. Therefore, everyone likes to talk about 300 meters. Like, cunning ones.
                  Quote: Mikhail Zubarev
                  And then you are carrying here a heresy about not the ability of our MO supposedly to buy these body kits.

                  Wow. I know a lot of new things from you.
                  Quote: Mikhail Zubarev
                  Yes, and your praise of M16 touches me. I watched a similar stupidity on discovery

                  Now the source of your "knowledge" is clear. My condolences.
                  1. 0
                    17 September 2015 18: 27
                    Quote: turk
                    The norm for army small arms is 400 meters. But not one of the AKs falls short of this norm.

                    Who established this "norm" and in what document? And what do you mean "do not hold out"? And I guarantee you that the machine can easily "hold out" to 1 km, and you better do not check it - it will blow right through! wassat
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              2. +5
                16 September 2015 01: 35
                Quote: turk
                The word "ballistics" at least when?

                Have you heard the word "ballistics" yourself? So far, apart from unfounded statements, I have not heard anything from you. The AK platform is no worse than the M-16. This is a matter of personal preference. But I don't think you have any weapon preferences, because you are most likely a schoolboy. laughing
                Listen to what knowledgeable uncles say:
                1. -6
                  16 September 2015 19: 18
                  Quote: brutal true
                  The AK platform is no worse than the M-16. There is already a matter of personal preference.

                  But nothing that DE M16A2 1738 J, and DE AK-74 1385 J? Some difference, I hope you noticed? Do you think this is just such an accident?
                  Quote: brutal true
                  Listen to what knowledgeable uncles say:

                  And where did you notice the "knowledgeable uncles"? Knowledgeable guys sit in laboratories. Behind computers. Very often with big bellies and glasses. And they quietly do their job. And this is a kid. Nobody is interested in their opinion. Except for the same kid.
                  1. +1
                    17 September 2015 18: 47
                    Quote: turk
                    But nothing that DE M16A2 1738 J, and DE AK-74 1385 J?

                    I will not even check the accuracy of these numbers. Because muzzle energy, for example, PCs are known to have more than M16A2. And what follows from this? What should Americans rearm from M16A2 to PC? Tell them, Turks, otherwise they are stupid - they are re-arming on M4, which has less DE than M16A2.
                    Do not suck conclusions from one indicator, Turks! Look comprehensively!
          3. +3
            16 September 2015 00: 09
            Well, how do you not understand? With a collimator sight, the shooter becomes a ZENITCHIK !!!
            1. -5
              16 September 2015 19: 23
              Quote: Ile Ham
              With a collimator sight, the shooter becomes a ZENITCHO

              The anti-aircraft gun is good with the anti-aircraft gun. Anti-aircraft gun with a gun, bad. Each cricket should have its own hearth.
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          4. +1
            16 September 2015 15: 12
            Quote: turk
            Quote: Altona
            If there is a collimator, yes

            Why AK collimator? To hunt for protein? In the eye to beat?

            On people like you hunting
            1. -4
              16 September 2015 19: 25
              Quote: BIGLESHIY
              On people like you hunting

              Are you so witty? Did you learn this somewhere? Or is it by nature?
          5. +1
            16 September 2015 15: 33
            The collimator "beat in the eye", damn well and oslopopolam, eh? ))))
            1. -5
              16 September 2015 19: 26
              Quote: Absurdidat
              The collimator "beat in the eye", damn well and oslopopolam, eh?

              Follow you. And buy a book for yourself. With Russian figurative expressions. And you don’t know them.
              1. +1
                17 September 2015 19: 39
                Quote: Absurdidat
                The collimator "beat in the eye", damn well and oslopopolam, eh?
                Quote: turk
                buy a book for yourself. With Russian figurative expressions. And you don’t know them.

                Turk, I explain to you: "Absurdidad" himself came up with a word to name you! This is allowed by the rules of the "great and mighty". You won't find this word in a book. Agree, the word is funny! And it reflects your essence quite accurately. laughing
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      3. +2
        15 September 2015 18: 16
        Quote: Vladimirets
        But what, directly the picatinny strip itself increases efficiency by 1,5 times?


        Eugene, so also a tactical flashlight.
        1. +6
          15 September 2015 18: 57
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          so also a tactical flashlight.

          Ahhh, at 300m it is of course. laughing
          1. 0
            15 September 2015 19: 10
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Ahhh, at 300m it is of course.


            Yes, Evgeny, for 300 meters, of course, 1.5 growth of efficiency will not. Well then, up to 300 meters - a flashlight, and after 300 - a front handle. Here you have again 1.5 growth.
        2. +1
          15 September 2015 22: 35
          And it’s true to aim at the flashlight and the bar; well, a ten-gauge automatic "shotgun" is straight forward.
      4. +3
        16 September 2015 02: 11
        I think if you hang some sticker with the inscription "increases the accuracy" then the accuracy will increase many times.
        I still can't understand how the receiver cover is attached to the receiver. If, as in the original "on the back button", you need to put the designers of this "upgrade" in a corner. Because the receiver cover in the original vibrates strongly during firing and shots. And there can be no question of any possibility to put optics on it (and any).
    6. +1
      15 September 2015 17: 31
      Quote: Roman1970
      The kit is installed in 15-20 minutes on any AK, which is in service with Russian security forces.

      But I wonder if the weight increases or not?
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 17: 32
        If the cover of the receiver is stamped, then it decreases. All this plastic is lighter than plywood.
        1. +2
          15 September 2015 17: 50
          Quote: Fibrizio
          All this plastic is lighter than plywood.

          Are you so thinly hinting that the new body kit is not metal? Something I doubt very much!
      2. 0
        15 September 2015 17: 32
        If the cover of the receiver is stamped, then it decreases. All this plastic is lighter than plywood.
    7. +5
      15 September 2015 17: 56
      The kit is installed in 15-20 minutes on any AK, which is in service with Russian security forces.


      Well, probably not any, for example ak74, how to remove the old butt? the butt on the rivets, you need to drill, lock up, and you can sport the atom, then to wrap the flame absorber-compensator, there must be a thread, but again it is not on all AKs, but the AKshnaya cover is just a stamping-thin-walled and the seat is also under it, and to fix a new cover with a Piccadilly-Crocodile strap, you need to make it stronger i.e. from thicker iron, that’s the question, how to fix it? But if you leave the old lid with a new strap, the nicodels will stagger in turn, so there will be no question of any increase in accuracy. Then a complete replacement of the forearm, yes. My opinion will not be of any use from this Art Nouveau - it’s better to wait for AK12 ...
    8. 0
      15 September 2015 18: 52
      That is, the modernization mechanism does not concern the firing mechanism at all? what so this is a "body kit" for beauty and ergonomics. Why has the accuracy of shooting suddenly increased so dramatically?
    9. +2
      15 September 2015 19: 50
      This is our advantage over everyone else: lack of money + ingenuity = good result. And this is not the first time!
      1. -17
        15 September 2015 19: 54
        Quote: Kent0001
        This is our advantage over everyone else: lack of money + ingenuity = good result. And this is not the first time!

        Yeah Just decided to stretch your fingers?
        1. +2
          15 September 2015 20: 30
          No, I’m probably the cartridges for this weight and this money, even give up, they will be more useful what
        2. +3
          15 September 2015 23: 41
          Quote: turk
          Yeah Just decided to stretch your fingers?


          So, along the way, it’s you, sir, apparently on the key from boredom ...
          Okay, the people we have at VO are mostly patient, but polite ..
          1. -4
            16 September 2015 19: 28
            Quote: skifd
            Okay, the people we have at VO are mostly patient, but polite ..

            And this is good. The bad thing is that with competence, mostly, with rare exceptions, the bad. And with curiosity, so in general, a complete blockage.
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    10. 0
      15 September 2015 21: 34
      Quote: Roman1970
      Well, I think, not bad, and not very expensive.

      there is one sight under $ 1 ...
    11. +1
      16 September 2015 05: 42
      Much cheaper than AK-12. Especially when you consider how many millions of machines are stored in warehouses! And they can be put up for sale.
      1. 0
        18 September 2015 16: 54
        But who will buy?
    12. 0
      16 September 2015 10: 27
      The lantern only unmasks.
      The back of the M16?
      1. +1
        16 September 2015 21: 50
        And yet, no matter how you upgrade, the main thing is not to cancel - Kalash has long been outdated both morally and technically. In service with Russia is the oldest of all currently used machine guns. It’s the same as if armed with the main rifle in Germany and now stood the G3. Absurdity, right? But in Russia this is very close. A real solution would be a complete and immediate transition to the excellent Tula automatic A-91M.
  2. +2
    15 September 2015 16: 59
    Wiser, less than ten years have passed laughing What are the damned capitalists doing to the plant? Is there anyone from Izhevsk here?
    1. WKS
      0
      15 September 2015 17: 04
      With such a friend you can go anywhere.
    2. +2
      15 September 2015 19: 31
      Quote: kagorta
      Is there anyone from Izhevsk here?


      There is. Only the damned capitalists knocked out the last thinking designers and gunsmiths. Now athletes and advisers are engaged in the development. Forget it. At least years on 5.
      1. -23
        15 September 2015 20: 13
        Quote: bunta
        Only the damned capitalists knocked out the last thinking designers and gunsmiths.

        Would you like to know more about the products of "thinking designers and gunsmiths"?
        1. +5
          15 September 2015 22: 27
          Quote: turk
          "thinking designers and gunsmiths"?

          Is this your form of masochism? laughing
          1. -16
            15 September 2015 22: 37
            Quote: ultra
            Is this your form of masochism?

            No, I'm just a little aware of the real value of "Soviet, the best small arms in the world." Therefore, I'm making fun of those who seriously want to justify it somehow and with something.
            Nothing to justify IMPOSSIBLE. How much a cow does not attach a saddle, she will not become a horse. If Russia wants to get high-quality weapons, something needs to be done. with cartridge... Well, the "tough guys from domestic design bureaus" made a mistake 40 years ago. Not very much, but wrong. And now we have to do something. And without this there will be another fart. But with a flashlight on the side.
            Not very bad, by the way, fart. But to a normal level (M16A2) far away.
            1. +7
              15 September 2015 23: 01
              Quote: turk
              Well, the "tough guys from domestic design bureaus" made a mistake 40 years ago

              40 years ago, the guys did their job perfectly.
              Quote: turk
              But to a normal level (M16A2) is far.

              Oh do not tell.
              Quote: turk
              need to do something with the cartridge

              Here in this you are absolutely right. In the Russian military-design school, weapons are developed with a cartridge. But only if the military decides to switch to the Grendel type, the weapon for him will still remain Kalash.
              1. -16
                15 September 2015 23: 12
                Quote: bunta
                40 years ago, the guys did their job perfectly.

                Are you joking? Apparently, yes. The guys made a mistake with the cartridge. And this is the main trouble of the AK-74.
                Quote: bunta
                Oh do not tell.

                I am completely serious. And global arms markets, too. After all, they evaluate M16 more expensive. Never thought why so?
                Quote: bunta
                if the military decides to switch to the Grendel type,

                If the designers decide to switch to Grendal, I will be the first to vote for the abolition of the death penalty for pests. How much can you bring as an example Barrett REC7?
                1. 0
                  17 September 2015 19: 12
                  Quote: turk
                  And global arms markets, too. After all, they evaluate M16 more expensive. Never thought why so?

                  Imagine thinking! And even discussed on this site. This is only for the Turk, this question is news.
                  There is no free arms market. Weapons are purchased only from friendly countries against unfriendly ones. A NATO country will never buy Russian weapons, not because they are worse, but because Russian weapons do not meet NATO "standards". Well, when there is practically one seller, what happens to the price? Do you understand yourself or does it need to be explained?
                2. 0
                  17 September 2015 19: 12
                  Quote: turk
                  And global arms markets, too. After all, they evaluate M16 more expensive. Never thought why so?

                  Imagine thinking! And even discussed on this site. This is only for the Turk, this question is news.
                  There is no free arms market. Weapons are purchased only from friendly countries against unfriendly ones. A NATO country will never buy Russian weapons, not because they are worse, but because Russian weapons do not meet NATO "standards". Well, when there is practically one seller, what happens to the price? Do you understand yourself or does it need to be explained?
            2. +12
              15 September 2015 23: 09
              For the connoisseur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZYe5Sal1L0&list=WL
              Who of the officials (USA) called the M-4 a national disgrace and after what events? Tell me, what caused such a reaction. And, maybe you haven’t heard about this scandal? Now, I really won’t believe that such an experienced person is aloof from such events.
              And, perhaps, your opinion will be curious by the American PMCs, carrying out and carrying out missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, entirely hung with options for AK and PC. And the Iraqi army - no matter how they imposed the M-16 - preferred AK.
              1. -17
                15 September 2015 23: 16
                Quote: kot stepan
                fulfilling and fulfilling missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, all hung with options for AK and PC.

                Do not fantasize. It's one thing to pose with trophies, and another thing is to go into battle. The hunter does not go hunting with the head of a deer; he takes a rifle there.
                Quote: kot stepan
                And the Iraqi army - no matter how they imposed the M-16 - preferred AK.

                Price. They can't imagine it. TODAY let it. Expensive.
                1. +4
                  16 September 2015 00: 09
                  Price?! A "Abrams", then, can? Yes, AK is several times more expensive than the M-16 or SCAR! Inquire about the price of FN contracts, for example, for the US Department of Defense. How much did the M-4 cost to Israel? Well, if only very shabby AK manufacturers ... Then the price is low, but the quality is appropriate.
                  Yes, of course, American PMCs are often armed with "their own" tuned weapons. But, there are so many videos where PMKashniki say, they say, thank God that we have the opportunity to choose our own barrels (while posing with an AK or PC).
                  1. -6
                    16 September 2015 19: 32
                    Quote: kot stepan
                    Yes, AK is several times more expensive than the M-16 or SCAR

                    Don't make up "news".
                    Quote: kot stepan
                    But, there are so many videos where PMCs say, thank God they say that we have the opportunity to choose our trunks (while posing with AK or PC).

                    Why should one listen to their opinion? Who are they? What do they understand about weapons? This is the grassroots level. "Meat", simply put. According to their position, they are not supposed to understand this.
                    1. +1
                      16 September 2015 23: 48
                      They really value their life and very, very well, are well versed with which trunks it is better to do. You are honestly amazing. Everything is in the public domain. How many to whom for what price and on what conditions trunks are sold. Take an interest in producer prices and contract terms, not store price tags.
                      So, how much does one AK (something from the hundredth series) cost the Russian treasury?
                      How much does the SCAR cost the treasury of the States? What about Colombia?
                      And Israel M-4?
                      Have you compared?
                2. +3
                  16 September 2015 10: 05
                  Quote: turk
                  Price. They can't afford it TODAY. Expensive.

                  You, my dear, are at odds with the facts. And the facts are as follows: Kalashnikov lost the Vietnamese tender because of the price - it turned out to be more expensive than the competitor (Israeli Kalashnikov upgrade). So now, if they choose Kalashnikov, then certainly not because of the low price, but for the well-deserved glory of reliable weapons.
                  1. -6
                    16 September 2015 19: 33
                    Quote: Svateev
                    Kalashnikov lost the Vietnamese tender because of the price - it turned out to be more expensive than the competitor (Israeli Kalashnikov upgrade)

                    Do you understand Russian? What did I write about, could you understand?
                    1. +2
                      17 September 2015 19: 02
                      Quote: turk
                      What did I write about, could you understand?

                      You wrote that they buy Kalashnikov because they cannot buy more expensive weapons, and Kalashnikov is cheap. Right? Right! I answered you that you are at odds with the facts - Kalashnikov lost the tender because it turned out to be more expensive than the competitor.
                      And what do you not understand here?
                      1. +1
                        18 September 2015 10: 52
                        Quote: Svateev
                        And the facts are as follows: Kalashnikov lost the Vietnamese tender because of the price - it turned out to be more expensive than the competitor (Israeli Kalashnikov upgrade)

                        And the facts are that you dear heard the ringing and didn’t understand where he was - the competition was not for the purchase of a batch of machines but about the CONSTRUCTION of a PLANT for their production with a full production cycle including those documentation, licenses and other - in these conditions we obviously had to lose because our machine tool industry ditched for a long time, the only thing that surprises in this situation is why the Chinese did not win? Jews offered more rollback?
                      2. 0
                        18 September 2015 14: 36
                        Quote: gross kaput
                        under these conditions, we obviously had to lose

                        "Who are "we? I’m not hiding and publishing under my name and under my - Russian - flag.
                        But who are you - under a nickname and under someone's flag? Are you "we"?
                      3. 0
                        18 September 2015 18: 25
                        quote = Svateev] Russian - flag. [/ quote]
                        only this is not your merit laughing VO when entering automatically by IP determines the country.
                        For the next curious, I explain - at work I get Internet access through a proxy server, unless of course you know what it is, so the flag in each connection can change arbitrarily.
                        PS Well, judging by the expression of the yearlings, you are a little younger from 17 to 25.
                      4. 0
                        21 September 2015 13: 03
                        The Chinese could not win, since they are in contra with Vietnam.
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    3. 0
      15 September 2015 20: 28
      Yes, and why?
  3. +5
    15 September 2015 17: 00
    Finally, they thought about the fighter. And then - take the paddle and step march.
    1. +8
      15 September 2015 17: 04
      A respected paddle in the army, SVD is called.
      1. +14
        15 September 2015 17: 21
        Where how. A Kalash with a wooden butt also bears the proud name "paddle".
      2. +1
        15 September 2015 20: 30
        Where the paddle, and where the whip.
        1. +4
          15 September 2015 21: 01
          Quote: ssn18
          Where the paddle, and where the whip.

          A whip is called one of the modifications of sniper rifles for the characteristic sound of a shot (without a silencer), like a lash. Kalashnikov, then who called "a whip"? His shot has nothing to do with the sound of a lash.
          1. 0
            15 September 2015 21: 36
            People! And I have a question here: the article says about the "new belt", maybe someone knows what kind of belt it is? Maybe they decided to introduce the three-point to the masses?
    2. 0
      15 September 2015 22: 40
      And why did the "paddle" not please you, that you "shook" with the butt on the "nape" when you fell asleep at the post?
      1. +6
        15 September 2015 23: 44
        - smile Yes, everything would be fine ... but, with an increase of 165 cm, armed with an "oar" with a bayonet attached, you remind yourself of a Vietnamese partisan ...
  4. +3
    15 September 2015 17: 00
    Give-extend the next life to tested, reliable weapons ... We can only welcome ...
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 22: 42
      Maybe someone knows the saying: If you want to destroy the good, come up with an improvement.
  5. +1
    15 September 2015 17: 01
    Hmm, it’s kind of convenient, you need to look at how they will be applied in practice in units
  6. +3
    15 September 2015 17: 03
    It is a pity the snail is not offered instead of a horn.
    1. avt
      +11
      15 September 2015 17: 18
      Quote: made13
      It is a pity the snail is not offered instead of a horn.

      What the hell! ??? This is also not the PKK for which it was made. Why on the machine then? To extinguish cartridges, pouring like from a watering can ??
      1. +13
        15 September 2015 17: 23
        Quote: avt
        Why on the machine then? To extinguish cartridges, pouring like from a watering can ??

        And then, with sadness, look at the trunk with the colors of the runaway. smile
    2. 0
      15 September 2015 19: 16
      The AK-12 has both a drum and two horns (95, 60 and 45 cartridges, respectively)
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 19: 54
        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
        60


        Really?
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  7. +4
    15 September 2015 17: 04
    Oh, and Kalash will have to work for a long time, so the new bells and whistles are only at stake, he will definitely live for a hundred years, and maybe more.
  8. +2
    15 September 2015 17: 07
    telescopic butt, handle, flame arrester is great!
    Experts explain, because the bar on the receiver does not provide reliable mounting of sights (the sight goes astray after a couple of shots) or is it not ???
    1. +4
      15 September 2015 17: 10
      Quote: JonnyT
      Experts explain, because the bar on the receiver does not provide reliable mounting of sights (the sight goes astray after a couple of shots) or is it not ???

      There, it seems, is not a standard cover, but a reinforced one:
      machine received upgraded stock and receiver cover, modern receiver pad and forend on which are located integrated picatinny rail (special brackets for mounting sights and various accessories)
      What is meant by "modernization" in this case is unclear.

      But as an example, we can cite the "lids with a strip" that are now being sold, which have turned from stamped to milled and acquired as many as 5 attachment points:

      The cover of the B-33 receiver is a milled product made of aluminum alloy D16T with a black coating, mounted on the B-10M or B-30 forend using five screws (four screws form the four points of support of the B-33 cover bracket on the forend and one the screw forms an additional (fifth) fulcrum, fixing the bracket for the B-33 cover on the receiver) and forms a Picatinny rail 170 mm long. above the receiver of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, which does not overlap the line of sight when using standard mechanical sights.
      1. +1
        15 September 2015 17: 30
        So he will have difficulties with cleaning. If it is completely rigidly fixed, this is not suitable for the army.
      2. 0
        15 September 2015 17: 31
        So he will have difficulties with cleaning. If it is completely rigidly fixed, this is not suitable for the army.
        1. +4
          15 September 2015 17: 38
          Quote: Fibrizio
          So he will have difficulties with cleaning. If it is completely rigidly fixed, this is not suitable for the army.

          So ... it's the same kit for existing AKs. That is - without changing the design of the receiver itself. So, only one of two things is possible: either the stiffness of the cover, or the convenience of assembly / disassembly.

          Nefig pencil cases lose. smile
          1. 0
            15 September 2015 17: 42
            Yes, there can be no rigid fixation such that the entire lid fits on the hexagon to the vent pipe. There is a more rational solution: no one touches the lid, and a strap is attached on top, which is fixed tightly to the gas pipe. Is it possible.
            1. +1
              15 September 2015 17: 55
              Quote: Fibrizio
              a strap is attached on top, which is tightly fixed to the gas pipe.

              Yeah .. which tube is also removable, no? wink

              "What's the difference?" (c) "Brother"
              1. +1
                15 September 2015 18: 12
                Here I’m probably not quite right, I just don’t know the name of the part of the machine on which the latch of the gas tube is located, in fact, they are attached to it.
                1. 0
                  15 September 2015 19: 10
                  - Sight block ... or "rear sight block" - whoever is more comfortable ... smile
                2. 0
                  15 September 2015 19: 10
                  - Sight block ... or "rear sight block" - whoever is more comfortable ... smile
          2. +1
            15 September 2015 22: 49
            The problem is that if this cover is damaged, firing becomes very problematic (try to get a pencil case in combat conditions, unscrew all the screws securing the cover until you have shot your head off, and then fire without any sight).
        2. 0
          16 September 2015 07: 22
          And not hard-not suitable for aiming, unfortunately
  9. +3
    15 September 2015 17: 13
    But how, interestingly, they solved the issue with the receiver cover? It is not rigidly fixed, but here the sight is installed on it. Problems with accuracy will not be drawn?
    1. 0
      16 September 2015 07: 48
      Be sure to draw ..... The meaning of Picatini is lost
  10. 0
    15 September 2015 17: 14
    All this is good, but when will it be in the military? Advertising is good for hucksters. We sell a lot abroad, but think for yourself why the client should buy upgraded junk if there is a product that is modern and out of competition (and this applies to the whole range of weapons). I understand money will catch our eyes, but we will never arm our army, everything modern with our potential opponents will turn against us.
  11. 0
    15 September 2015 17: 16
    When women then
  12. 0
    15 September 2015 17: 20
    I wonder how quickly this will reach the army ... and whether it will reach. And then the speed of re-equipment with us is already very slow. We only see the news - modernization, development, the latest technology ... and what's the point of them, the Kalash of the 49s barely left, and then they probably stayed somewhere.
  13. +5
    15 September 2015 17: 26
    I don’t understand what can be discussed here? They offered a domestic plastic kit. This kit on the Hansa as you want was and is. What is the innovation? Anyway, when people go to war, they themselves upgrade their weapons. What Chechnya GPS guys bought that Ukrainians finish their old AK.
    They need to upgrade the "Main parts of the weapon", which is impossible to buy yourself.
    In short, purely my IMHO, this is all false innovation. And yet they give out as a serious achievement ....
  14. 0
    15 September 2015 17: 32
    If only they had come up with, as in the field ... Or rather ... Let's just say: "non-factory" conditions - the bolt handle, transplant to the left ...
  15. +3
    15 September 2015 17: 34
    I didn’t understand - each time after removing the cover, shoot the sight?
    this is some kind of hat in my opinion. Receivers at the machine have a huge variation in size and sense, what is the milled lid? the receiver is not.
    maybe I'm wrong of course -
  16. +4
    15 September 2015 17: 36
    “Kalashnikov” developed a universal kit for the machine of the same name, the installation of which allows to improve the effectiveness of weapons in terms of “frequency of destruction” at a distance of up to 300 m “at any time of day and in various climatic conditions”
    You can not read further, but you look at the picture as much as fear takes. Of the useful only forend (lower part) and butt.
  17. +1
    15 September 2015 17: 42
    So ZENIT body kits have long been on the market, what did they not pay attention to them before?
  18. +2
    15 September 2015 17: 45
    It is, of course, good, but slowly ... On my Saiga, such a butt has been installed for seven years. Even the Yugoslavs in their versions made the tactical handle directly at the factories unified with the forearm. And it’s not folding. Picatinny weaver is normal for imported optics, while ours and Belarus have different mounting principles (if without additional adapters). Conclusion: for whom is it done? For export? It’s no secret that we deliver civilian versions (Saiga called Kalashnikov). Trying to beat the market from the same Brazilians? Or the Chinese? But not for our army! Economically and strategically not profitable. So it turns out - ADVERTISEMENT !!!
    1. 0
      16 September 2015 06: 59
      Ikatini-weaver is normal for imported optics, while ours and Belarus have different mounting principles


      So, in general, there is a course of abandoning the dovetail attachment and switching to a picatinny weaver for obvious reasons.
  19. +5
    15 September 2015 17: 52
    The cover, in my opinion, is not a good option, no matter how they increase the backlash, I can (of course, be mistaken) in my opinion the best way is to use the quality bar fastens in place of a mechanical sight and is fixed with a bolt; . The sight will not work. It will work as with P.
  20. 0
    15 September 2015 17: 58
    It is not for nothing that the Kalashnikovs eat bread. Here, some have rolled up that such weapons will not enter the army, but will be exported. Yes, let it go for export, money is needed, but the whole army doesn’t need to be equipped with such machine guns, this is a specific weapon for mobile and special squads.
  21. 0
    15 September 2015 18: 00
    Quote: Hedgehog
    Quote: Fibrizio
    All this plastic is lighter than plywood.

    Are you so thinly hinting that the new body kit is not metal? Something I doubt very much!


    And who will make you a butt of metal? Or a handle. About the forend and the overlay on the vent pipe are also big doubts.
  22. 0
    15 September 2015 18: 03
    However, it’s expensive, especially since everything is not Russian. sad A sea of ​​options, right now I’m joking about the video.
  23. +9
    15 September 2015 18: 03
    Citizen Remember!
    After you disassemble and lubricate your AK.
    Do not forget to feed your hamster!
    1. -2
      15 September 2015 21: 57
      Quote: MolGro
      Citizen Remember!
      After you disassemble and lubricate your AK.
      Do not forget to feed your hamster!

      So is it necessary to laugh or what? recourse
      1. +1
        15 September 2015 22: 36
        Clearly - subtle barracks humor ... Well, not everyone has been given ....
      2. 0
        15 September 2015 22: 56
        No Alexander, just get yourself such a "hamster", and let someone try to "neigh" the hamster over you, and then you can start free food (after showing those who "laugh").
  24. +2
    15 September 2015 18: 11
    One option
    1. +1
      15 September 2015 18: 24
      Quote: Barracuda
      One option

      Here it muffles, the ear is directly opposite the bolt frame.
    2. avt
      +2
      15 September 2015 20: 04
      Quote: Barracuda
      One option

      I don’t understand - why make a homemade product from AK when there is a “bun” from Tula A-91M from which ADS was made for the same specialists, but naval? That is why they invent a foxoped in Podolsk? laughing , just understandable - before, under the order of specialists, everything was done quite quickly, but now the number of "special forces" in each department is such that now, somehow, "every man for himself." Again, the selection of weapons is not based on the results of specific tests of an independent body , but from the one who sells his.
  25. +1
    15 September 2015 18: 19
    Well, if the price is reasonable, then. It was high time.
  26. +4
    15 September 2015 18: 19
    Quote: MolGro
    Do not forget to feed your hamster!

    A normal "hamster" has 15 cm claws. Can "stroke" at night.
    I met once, did not crap, well, I think I broke the 100 meter record in the taiga. Like a bear ..
    Just from Tyumen 50 km for mushrooms. There are also moose left. Only a compass is needed with you. smile
  27. 0
    15 September 2015 18: 24
    Unnecessary junk. Cut the budget money into the pocket of Krivoruchek and Kirisenok.
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 21: 58
      Warrant Officer?
  28. +2
    15 September 2015 18: 25
    It happens, and as in the photo below ... Cool? However, I’m reporting it all just pneumatic VL-12. Our Russian. And a huge Kalashnikov concern doesn’t need such an upgrade ... (photo from the manufacturer’s website).
  29. +5
    15 September 2015 18: 35
    At the Victory Parade with this kit marching, which are all inattentive. smile
  30. +10
    15 September 2015 18: 59
    Dear colleagues, My opinion is cool show-offs! Let's start with the picatinny rail in the entire box lid. In the first case, this design can hardly be stiff, so the accuracy will be proportional. The second question is, forgive the bolt for a bar of such a length? Does anyone with such a bar and screwed on with gadgets through the woods (along the chip-skier) making his way? I would like to look at these stowed berets))). Who shot with the collimator at night? Now we’ll return specifically to the bar on the lid or God forbid fixed instead of an open sight. How much sweat Does it take time and a tool to replace the same calimator with a night light or just switch to an open sight? Still, did the designers probably come up with a swallow for nothing? At the expense of tactical flashlights and tactical handles, everyone’s dumb (but I would look at the upcoming company at night, I won’t one who decides to highlight himself) Be simpler, but the impression is that there are some cool special forces gathered here who kick the terrorists out of the bunkers hourly
    1. -1
      15 September 2015 19: 37
      Quote: zadorin1974
      How much time and tool will it take to replace the same calimator with a night light or just switch to an open sight?

      Not all is lost. There are others who think!
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 19: 58
        HOW I UNDERSTAND -You Andrey have something to do with Izhmash?
    2. 0
      15 September 2015 20: 06
      That's what I was talking about! And not even a "flipper", but a standard side mount. for OUR OPTICS.
    3. avt
      +1
      15 September 2015 20: 18
      Quote: zadorin1974
      Dear colleagues. My opinion is cool show-offs!

      Quote: Marssik
      . Of the useful only forend (lower part) and butt.

      Butt - yes, forend, handle - and then keep the wazard of amateurs at the store, the pistol grip of a polovchik again a flame arrester / brake. The rest of the tinsel with trims ...... well, I don’t know. The collimator is good, but something like English can be an optic? But put it on a box ?? Well, I don’t know, all these mods are around the gun ....
      Quote: zadorin1974
      Has anyone with such a bar and bolted bells and whistles in the woods (along the chip skier) made his way?

      good
      Quote: zadorin1974
      ) Be easier-

      And your likely "friends" will reach out to you. laughing Well, again, after regular training. And without it, you can shine a hole in your mother's mink with this flashlight, or you can highlight historical analys.
      Quote: zadorin1974
      I would look at the upcoming company at night - there will be more than one who decides to highlight himself)

      The most interesting thing is that they will give out this "standard" flashlight and there will definitely be a new-found Rambo and more than one brought up on usovskih militants and will light it up!
    4. +1
      15 September 2015 20: 38
      - Yes, and you don’t especially run around the forest with NSPU at night, and I haven’t seen self-luminous nozzles for AK since 84 of the year ... like there aren’t any now ...
      1. +6
        15 September 2015 21: 23
        Quote: saygon66
        Yes, and with NSPU you can’t especially run around the forest at night, and I haven’t seen self-luminous nozzles under AK since I was 84 ... it seems like there aren’t any now ...
        There are nozzles in the brick style, moreover, it is not so easy to put them on, so their landing is mediocre and firing 200 meters further is very problematic wassat I have not tried it with NSPU, but I ran with PKN 03, nothing complicated. Yes and to be honest the need at night, in the forest to run somewhere is extremely rare. Usually everyone is sitting in the trenches.
        I completely do not like the trims in the entire cover of the stk and on the gt overlay. We omit the rigidity of the structure. Well, we set a sights there, we are fighting well. Then there was a need to fall sharply, jump into a puddle, a pile of sand, rubble, rubble, etc. There are times when a machine with all the rest of the equipment is already on a ram and you couldn’t get a couple of extra holes. At this most beautiful moment, our sight was flooded with water, it was covered with mud, or it was generally broken by an inadvertently turned up piece of brick. Accordingly, we need to remove the failed device and put regular sighting devices in place. During this time, kayuk is quite possible not only to the owner of a sophisticated machine, but to the whole unit as a result.
        Therefore, I consider our side mount the best on AK machines. If you really want Western optics, no one bothers you to purchase a transitional crown, which does not interfere with the use of regular ones.
        I did not understand the meaning of the flame arrester and the pistol grip. 1st is no better than the regular one, it would be better if they introduced ATG for everyone. 2nd with this form will require back pads for each specific arm. Without them, the grip of the machine will be worse for some than with the standard one.
        1. +1
          15 September 2015 21: 57
          - With such slats you can use folding rear sights and scope ... there are options when you can use them even through a broken collimator ... any optics - a fragile thing, any smile and this sample does not have a "dovetail" at all ... Such handles are made by "FAB defens" and also IMI like - well, not without commerce, of course - overlays at the price of the main handle
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        3. +1
          16 September 2015 07: 04
          I agree with you in all millions of percent. Removing a mechanical sight from a combat weapon is a crime. Red pillboxes .. aim quickly and shoot faster. Yes, the shooting range is not changed, but can you imagine a brigade of paratroopers abandoned behind enemy lines at the right time ... and? Who will change the batteries? Who will regularly carry thousands of batteries? Sights with a built-in "nuclear reactor" can be made following the example of Akog, but in general they "glow" with radioactivity ... Yes, of course, they are absolutely "safe in operation" as well as the Abrams' uranium-reinforced armor. Even blacks tankers complain about the potency after the gurneys on this device. But the problem is not even that, you cannot make many such scopes. And you need to shoot and not only shoot, sometimes you need to quietly and sit down with the butt. And plastic and adjustable is generally like ironing. Can you also put some foam rubber so that the enemy does not feel so painful a blow? Better the Dostokhvost for attaching any sights to the AK Family, there can be nothing and nothing to even talk about. And in general, to confuse warm with soft is somehow not decent for people who understand a lot about weapons. DO NOT CONFUSE automatic rifles and AUTOMATIC. These are DIFFERENT WEAPONS !!! Because the mode of fire in the AK is calculated in turns and constant !!! Therefore, of course, he will lose exactly to an automatic rifle. An automatic rifle sometimes fires in bursts, but Kalashnikov .. in general, this is his normal state .. The grips are comfortable .. That's good, but the question is to whom? How will this handle behave in a 30 ° C or 40 ° C in the Vorkuta region? Will a fighter be able to grab her at all in a thick mitten? Black gloves may have cropped fingertips and are good for photography, but they have nothing to do with military life. Have the testers of this shed ever lived in Sevres? And at least they kept iron in the cold? As a project for fans of postrelushki it is interesting, but as a project for adoption ..... In my opinion, it is very problematic. Well, at the expense of the immobility of mounting any sights on the cover of the bolt box, I will simply keep silent. It's just nonsense. And what scopes? Who releases them and where? Under what caliber (I mean specifically for the caliber of the device)? Belarusians are not even odd. But they are "good fellows" with the imaging sights of America, but they will also Ukrohunt, according to eyewitnesses, too.
        4. +1
          16 September 2015 07: 04
          I agree with you in all millions of percent. Removing a mechanical sight from a combat weapon is a crime. Red pillboxes .. aim quickly and shoot faster. Yes, the shooting range is not changed, but can you imagine a brigade of paratroopers abandoned behind enemy lines at the right time ... and? Who will change the batteries? Who will regularly carry thousands of batteries? Sights with a built-in "nuclear reactor" can be made following the example of Akog, but in general they "glow" with radioactivity ... Yes, of course, they are absolutely "safe in operation" as well as the Abrams' uranium-reinforced armor. Even blacks tankers complain about the potency after the gurneys on this device. But the problem is not even that, you cannot make many such scopes. And you need to shoot and not only shoot, sometimes you need to quietly and sit down with the butt. And plastic and adjustable is generally like ironing. Can you also put some foam rubber so that the enemy does not feel so painful a blow? Better the Dostokhvost for attaching any sights to the AK Family, there can be nothing and nothing to even talk about. And in general, to confuse warm with soft is somehow not decent for people who understand a lot about weapons. DO NOT CONFUSE automatic rifles and AUTOMATIC. These are DIFFERENT WEAPONS !!! Because the mode of fire in the AK is calculated in turns and constant !!! Therefore, of course, he will lose exactly to an automatic rifle. An automatic rifle sometimes fires in bursts, but Kalashnikov .. in general, this is his normal state .. The grips are comfortable .. That's good, but the question is to whom? How will this handle behave in a 30 ° C or 40 ° C in the Vorkuta region? Will a fighter be able to grab her at all in a thick mitten? Black gloves may have cropped fingertips and are good for photography, but they have nothing to do with military life. Have the testers of this shed ever lived in Sevres? And at least they kept iron in the cold? As a project for fans of postrelushki it is interesting, but as a project for adoption ..... In my opinion, it is very problematic. Well, at the expense of the immobility of mounting any sights on the cover of the bolt box, I will simply keep silent. It's just nonsense. And what scopes? Who releases them and where? Under what caliber (I mean specifically for the caliber of the device)? Belarusians are not even odd. But they are "good fellows" with the imaging sights of America, but they will also Ukrohunt, according to eyewitnesses, too.
          1. 0
            16 September 2015 09: 59
            Who will change the batteries?


            Well, firstly, in modern collimator sights, the duration of continuous operation can easily be 600 hours, respectively, the issue of batteries is not so acute. In addition, our modern time has collimator sights that do not require batteries. In the daytime, illumination through a fiber-optic drive, at night with tritium illumination. A striking example of AGOG. Yes, and you took an example, to put it mildly strange: the paratroopers or their command before throwing them behind enemy lines with a shortage of batteries suddenly decided that they needed to dismantle standard sights (as it relates to the AK74M, which when modernized sights are not dismantled anywhere) and put only collimator. It smacks of frank delirium. As well as other parts of the message

            Sights with a built-in "nuclear reactor" can be made following the example of Akog, but in general they "glow" with radioactivity


            There is no nuclear reactor in AGOG (nuclear reactor in sight ... WHAT ?! belay ), there is a tritium backlight that is safely enclosed in sealed tubes.

            as well as the uranium-reinforced Abrams armor. Even blacks tankers complain about potency after wheelchairs on this device


            Depleted uranium is a typical uranium-238 which emits only alpha radiation, which has an extremely small penetrating power of several millimeters in the tissues. It is easy to protect from it with dense clothes, and here are solid centimeters of armor. You need to know such things from a physics course.

            And plastic and adjustable is generally how to stroke. Can also put foam rubber so that the enemy does not feel so painfully?


            Someone is still an adherent of hand-to-hand combat with a butt ...

            Well, like a cherry on a cake

            . DO NOT CONFUSE automatic rifles and automatic rifles. This is a different weapon !!!


            Further I will not comment and paint for obvious reasons fool
        5. +1
          16 September 2015 07: 32
          And to be honest, need at night, it’s extremely rare to escape somewhere in the forest


          This is for now. In armies saturated with NVD and other means for conducting active operations in the dark, night operations are the norm, but with us it’s just the same.
          1. 0
            16 September 2015 20: 35
            Quote: rait
            In armies saturated with NVD and other means for conducting active operations in the dark, night operations are the norm

            One American general compared war at night to playing football in the afternoon. Only football players in each eye to fasten a roll of toilet paper.
            1. 0
              17 September 2015 00: 46
              A very good analogy, by the way, because most NVDs reduce the field of view. However, even in this case, military operations at night are conducted quite successfully.
    5. 0
      16 September 2015 07: 22
      .In the first, the rigidity of this design can hardly be achieved, respectively, the accuracy of the shooting will be proportional


      Here I note that complete rigidity can not be achieved anywhere and therefore there are no shops on sniper rifles for long distances, they are single-shot. Magazine reduces stiffness and therefore accuracy. But the bottom line is that the assault rifle does not have such tasks and accordingly there are no such strict requirements for stiffness. So the question here is not stiffness per se, but sufficient stiffness.

      The second question is, what kind of forgive bolt is a bar of this length?


      For the possibility of choosing the distance of installation of the sight by itself.

      Has anyone with such a bar and bolted bells and whistles in the woods (along the chip-skier) made their way? I would like to look at these in-flight berets))


      The special forces in the photographs from the TFR are just the same with such hanged AKs, including in the forest. I think these guys are among whom are known Hardingush just the same and it’s worth asking, in his own words, a hung AK can easily weigh 5-6 kg.

      Now we’ll return specifically to the bar on the cover or, God forbid, fixed instead of an open sight. How much time and a tool will be needed to replace the same calimator with a night lamp or just switch to an open sight?


      Count yourself: On both sides of the sight, as a rule, 2 screws, the key to which should always be with you, can easily be worn in the vertical handle because it is hollow. Loosen the 4 screws, take another scope, tighten the same 4 screws. Is it long or fast? Personally, I would not try to remove an open sight, but in Western units this is practiced and apparently there are reasons for it.

      All the same, the designers probably came up with a swallow for good reason?


      Not in vain, sights are mounted on it. Only now she has no adjustment in length.

      but I would look at the advancing company at night - there is not one who decides to highlight


      So the one who turns on the flashlight has a mental retardation and he has nothing to do in the army. He is needed for another.
    6. 0
      16 September 2015 10: 32
      Quote: zadorin1974
      God forbid fixed instead of an open sight

      So I am also afraid that INSTEAD OF THE SECTOR PLAN OF THE SECTOR SIGHT. At least nowhere can I see the aiming bar on a modernized machine!
      1. 0
        16 September 2015 10: 43
        And you carefully look at the photo. The sector sight, where it was, simply became less noticeable due to the picatinny rail which made the receiver cover and forend higher. Do not see? Exactly between the picatinny rail of the receiver cover and the forearm picatinny rail.
        1. 0
          16 September 2015 11: 06
          Quote: rait
          And you carefully look at the photo.

          I looked carefully, and not only in the photo of this article. A block of sight on the spot, right. But to claim from the photograph that the aiming bar remained in place is impossible: neither the mane of the aiming bar nor the clamp are visible.
          Therefore, the question is: Have you seen the modernized machine gun "live" and saw the aiming bar on it?
          1. 0
            16 September 2015 12: 06
            Then the fears are really true, I realized what you mean. I did not see the non-upgraded version live.

            You are not right


            More than possible.
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        3. 0
          16 September 2015 11: 37
          Quote: rait
          Sector sight where it was

          You're not right. I just watched a video in one of the comments - the "Serving the Motherland" program with "Onokoy, a specialist of the Kalashnikov Concern." Instead of a sector sight, there is a two-range crossover rear sight, like the M2, "Galil" and other ...
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  31. +6
    15 September 2015 19: 02
    Well, who has time
    1. +3
      15 September 2015 19: 41
      Since he is changing the store with his left hand, I think this is m. Duck.
      1. +1
        15 September 2015 20: 21
        - The American "trick", like, does not lose control of the weapon!
        1. 0
          15 September 2015 22: 00
          Quote: saygon66
          - The American "trick", like, does not lose control of the weapon!

          It is doubtful that the center of gravity is in front of the grip (additional load on the wrist), the weapon leaves the line of sight. It goes even more at the time of reloading. Now look into his eyes at the moment of reloading. I think he and the target does not control.
          1. 0
            15 September 2015 22: 25
            - Somewhere in the video you can see: When reloading comrade. Hayley takes the butt slightly "armpit" - it seems like it's easier to hold ... He obviously doesn't count on an accurate shot - there is the possibility of a shot "in the direction", and then, you see, he reloaded smile
        2. +2
          15 September 2015 22: 03
          What the hell is control? In real battle, God forbid, send a short queue to the target ... With the Papuans, he’ll give a ride ...
  32. 0
    15 September 2015 19: 06
    The machine stood, stands and will stand in service. But modernization is for special units.
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  34. +2
    15 September 2015 19: 12
    In my opinion it is better to concentrate on the AK-12, where everything is more or less thought out for these attachments. And for the AK-74 has long been a body kit from the Zenith. Apparently, the Kalashnikovs only realized that it was possible to earn money on this.
    1. +2
      15 September 2015 19: 43
      Quote: Vishnevsky
      I think it's better to concentrate on the AK-12

      The concern has already understood that they have justified themselves with AK-12. They remembered about SA and started talking about a two-hundredth series.
  35. 0
    15 September 2015 20: 29
    - The set, rather, is designed for civilian shooters ... Not a word about adoption for service, which means that no company commander will allow such an "upgrade" every day ... clinging these "goodies" directly to "combat" ones is fraught with why nito will catch on the pocket ... and kirdyk ...
  36. 0
    15 September 2015 20: 58
    Forum users are all well and as always there are a few questions. 1. why make a butt like a pin ... dosovsky? 2. Why angularity with picatinny slats? 3. And whoever noticed a small button on the pistol grip? (to be honest, I was in the army in 2015 and picked up a new Kalashnikov with these bells and whistles. It’s not very convenient and clings to everything. As a result, until the button was pressed, the machine didn’t work, and what?)
  37. +2
    15 September 2015 21: 28
    For many years, who has not been making a body kit on AK ... FAB Defense, Magpul, and even our Zenit .. Now they decided on their own ... From experience ... The well for the store is a useless thing, the bar on the receiver cover also. On the fore-end, perhaps yes, all sorts of nishtyaki cling. But ... the machine gun with all this jewelry clings to the equipment ugly. And changing the stock for an AK is generally difficult. Somehow they changed it on AKMS, staffed to FABovsky ... 6 hours were ruined .. I installed an anatomical pistol (from FAB Defense) grip for myself, it's more convenient to shoot, and a forearm from Zenit. Sometimes I hang a flashlight or collimator, with it in insufficient visibility is convenient to shoot. Everything else bothers me .. IMHO, naturally ..
  38. -4
    15 September 2015 22: 06
    More like a whistle transponder. They dressed like a homeless man in a tailcoat. Well, if upgrading, then changing the trunk to a suitable size 6.5 Grendel.
    1. -5
      15 September 2015 22: 12
      Quote: Bubulge Onote
      Well, if upgrading, then changing the trunk to a suitable size 6.5 Grendel.

      Another lover of "hryundel". Can you tell me why no one in the world has switched to this "promising hryundel" for many years? Didn't you think? Think about it.
      The last similar stillborn corpse was called Barrett REC7. Since then, the world "as a result of excrement" froze. And he wondered, is he, this "hryundel" promising? So you join them.
      1. -1
        15 September 2015 22: 32
        Because all kinds of ***** like you are in power, who care only that their seat is in a warm place, and therefore afraid to accept at least some changes.
        1. -2
          15 September 2015 22: 40
          Quote: Bubulge Onote
          Because all kinds of ***** like you are in power, who care only that their seat is in a warm place, and therefore afraid to accept at least some changes.

          Uncle, did I write about Barrett REC7 to you? Wrote. Did you get the gist? I didn’t catch it. Catch ... Catch, contact.
  39. +6
    16 September 2015 01: 30
    Dear Turk, did you shoot from the systems you made?
    You write beautifully. You will read.
    So I fired almost everything that is sold in the states.
    I have a sidekick dealer in Tenesi. He only has 200 trunks on the farm.
    He fired from m4 from NK-s. M16 is a good rifle but not a weapon. Ji 3 old
    closer to arms. Uzi-frank G. And here is mp5 cool automatic.
    As for Kalash, Americans themselves produce them. Well, now the most delicious
    the civil version of m16 is about 2.5 tons of green rubles.
    MP5-5-6 pieces. But Kalash 1.5 in total. I took Yugoslav for 850.
    real ak47 akm.6-7 thousand and look for it.
    Americans know a lot about weapons. Good weapons.
    and rifles, well, fine for the first wave ...
    1. 0
      16 September 2015 05: 27
      And what about the marlin 444 carbine? The day before yesterday I got such a "beast". I haven't mastered it yet.
  40. +1
    16 September 2015 06: 05
    For reference: the Makarov pistol in Soviet times cost 75 rubles, the Mosin rifle about 50 rubles, the Kalashnikov assault rifle 36 rubles, but Kalash is not a submachine gun, but PPS or PPSh (Shpagin submachine gun and Sudaev submachine gun, respectively) cost in those days only about 12-15 rubles.
    Is the cost price so increased in the post-Soviet era?
  41. 0
    16 September 2015 07: 10
    Apparently they decided to adopt the Western experience and create a single kit of body kit to improve the characteristics of weapons. In the USA, back in 1989, they launched the SOPMOD program, which is similar in theory, but includes a whole range of small arms.

    In the picture, everything looks good, only the lack of a sight confuses, apparently it is not yet included in the kit. But as you know, it is necessary to try and touch in reality, especially in our case when a project with a real production product can very strongly differ by itself not for the better.
  42. 0
    16 September 2015 09: 13
    05.06.2015
    The concern has developed three components of a set of additional equipment for the modernization of 5,45-mm and 7,62-mm Kalashnikov assault rifles for combined arms units, military intelligence, as well as for units that are part of special operations forces.

    Development was carried out according to the tactical and technical specifications approved by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on an initiative basis at the expense of the group’s own funds. Currently, the development of serial production of products is nearing completion.
  43. +1
    16 September 2015 09: 48
    Very belated modernization. In terms of technology, such an upgrade could and should have been done back in the 70s, to Afghanistan. A shame.
  44. +2
    16 September 2015 09: 56
    I absolutely see no sense in installing the Picatinny rail on the receiver lid .. For it entails the constant aiming of the sight after each disassembly and cleaning of the weapon .. The lateral tides are much more reliable .. So, the silly imitation of the M-4 and no more, but the M-4 completely different design principle ..
    1. 0
      16 September 2015 10: 03
      For this entails the constant shooting of the sight after each disassembly and cleaning of the weapon ..


      Something I do not understand ... what is happening with the sight that it needs to be shot every time? belay Are you talking about the rigidity of the mount or what? So shoot him as much as you like the receiver cover will not become stiffer from this, the play will be identical.
  45. +1
    16 September 2015 10: 13
    Damn here they are effective managers !! The mountain gave birth to a mouse! I saw a similar body kit about 10 years ago, according to my Israeli firm TDI, I could be mistaken in the name. And picatini. Picatini is all about it. They don’t want or cannot think. most likely the second. Our side mount allows after disassembling and cleaning the weapon allows you to return the sight to a single place and start firing without shooting. And with picatinas you will have fun, you need a shot every time after removing the sight. And all this nonsense like tactical arms, bipods, flashlights and other crap. They always tried to lighten the weapon, and they hung 1,5 kg on it, all kinds of unnecessary crap. Better to take more rounds.
  46. 0
    16 September 2015 10: 22
    We took the "body kit" from the AK-12. To make the production cheaper, it was released as an upgrade kit. Not a bad move: the old AK-74s are approaching the parameters of the AK-12, well, the troops will master the new assault rifle faster.
    After saturation of the troops of the AK-12, the old AK-74 will go to warehouses, etc.
  47. +3
    16 September 2015 18: 32
    Well, they all spoke out. Now it's my turn to break users. Gentlemen - the first question from me - who-thread personally used this device in real life? I'm not talking about the fighting - at least someone shot a thread from it? Judging by the conversation, no one. Everything is at the level of idle rumors - it’s not so, it’s not that way. Any design is checked first at the stand, then at the test site and, finally, by the user in the form of an experimental batch. This is the LAW. Without this, no one will give permission to put the product into operation. So all your speculation is nothing more than speculation. Personally, I need at least an hour with him at the shooting range - and I will tell about him, if not everything, then almost everything. All the salt is that I do not twist the commandos - I am single in two persons - I am an advanced user and design engineer all rolled into one. And I will immediately see all the flaws and mistakes - I just need to hold it in my hands.
    A dispute is a good thing ... if a dispute about female beauty, an unproven bazaar about serious things is bullshit.
    1. -3
      16 September 2015 18: 42
      Quote: akm8226
      Any design is checked first at the stand, then at the test site and, finally, by the user in the form of an experimental batch. This is the LAW.

      Any design is calculated first at least on a calculator. And best of all in specials. the program. And this is the LAW.
  48. 0
    16 September 2015 21: 12
    I read the comments. I want to add my 5 kopecks.
    If a person is a poor shooter, replacing the buttstock, handles will not help him become 1.5 times effective (well-aimed). Can soldiers learn to shoot more carefully?
    1. 0
      17 September 2015 00: 43
      One does not cancel the other.
  49. Owl
    0
    16 September 2015 23: 13
    The question arises: Where is it? Has the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia purchased this kit for its special forces? Has a similar "product" been prepared for Soviet AKM and AKMS? Probably again, all this will not go anywhere beyond any "exhibitions of the achievements of any economy", and we, with Chinese body kits bought for our own money, go to "armed or especially dangerous" ...
  50. 0
    17 September 2015 00: 19
    And what about the "fuse translator"? As I understand it, the standard photos are displayed, what is included in the kit is the same as what is sold for the "saiga" ?!
    1. 0
      17 September 2015 06: 56
      An additional emphasis has been placed on the safety translator. I give a link to the video that was in the comments, but at the moment where it is clearly visible and a little further it is talked about and shown.

      https://youtu.be/DSre-Ndn8tw?t=2m31s
  51. 0
    17 September 2015 04: 51
    Quote: Barracuda
    down

    Uv. Barakuda, sorry for the late reply. I went offline early yesterday
    and didn’t see your question. (time difference). Everything that has the name Marilyn I’m talking about weapons. Usually of very good quality. 20 rounds of 40-50 waxes. Henry bracket --- didn’t shoot. With a hard drive yes. In principle, they are similar. Price difference
    Merlin new 300-+50 daliars. The used one is cheaper. The price is low because they made a lot of them. Look in the search engine for Winchester Magnum 300--190 grey.
    THIS is a sniper cartridge and a Remington or Browning gun. The thing but the price kills...
    P.S. Do you want to know the prices for barrels in the states? www.gunbroker.com to help you
  52. ZKB
    0
    17 September 2015 09: 29
    It’s a pity that the performance characteristics of the machine with this upgrade are not indicated. in particular, weight, how long it takes to attach these innovations and how the machine will feel with them, for example, in the order of disassembly/assembly. and I wonder if because of all these bells and whistles, the famous reliability of the AK does not suffer
    1. 0
      18 September 2015 10: 22
      in order of disassembly/assembly

      Because of all these bells and whistles, doesn’t the renowned reliability of the AK suffer?


      However, you have strange questions, because in this modification the design of the machine gun is affected only within the framework of the body kit and nothing more. Accordingly, assembly and disassembly will remain the same because the design of the machine is the same, reliability will also not suffer because, again, no changes have been made to the design of the machine. But weight is a really interesting question, I think that even if there is more, it will be extremely insignificant.
  53. 0
    17 September 2015 10: 43
    Thank you, gunsmiths for improving the AK! A good, reliable and faithful weapon!
  54. 0
    17 September 2015 14: 54
    Kalash is SUPER!!!
  55. 0
    17 September 2015 15: 36
    Eh, good machine. It's a shame they don't sell it in gun stores.
  56. 0
    17 September 2015 17: 03
    Better late than never, as they say. I hope the butt is not Israeli.
  57. 0
    18 September 2015 05: 56
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  58. 0
    18 September 2015 05: 56
    Sorry, maybe I’m writing in the wrong place, but I didn’t find a suitable topic here on the forum. I was just recommended a specialized website http://meetmylove.org/?s=514
    in order to find the most temperamental partner for an intimate relationship, and possibly for a long-term relationship. In other words, this is simply the largest free social network for one-on-one meetings for communication and friendship from all cities, towns of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan.
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  59. 0
    18 September 2015 05: 56
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  60. 0
    18 September 2015 05: 56
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  61. -1
    18 September 2015 09: 42
    collective farm, the Picatinny rail on the receiver raises the most questions. The Picatinny rail must be installed rigidly on the barrel, screwed and glued firmly. And here on the receiver cover, why why for HOLLYWOOD??? who do we want to deceive???? It was also very convenient to hold on the gas tube, and now there is also a bar there. What makes Kalash good is its simplicity; this is the strength of Kalash. We always want to be Americans

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