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New kit allows you to upgrade AK for 15 minutes

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Kalashnikov developed a universal kit for the automaton of the same name, the installation of which allows to improve the efficiency weapons in terms of the "frequency of injury" at a distance of up to 300, m "at any time of the day and in different climatic conditions," reports RT with reference to the chief designer of the concern Sergey Urzhumtsev.


New kit allows you to upgrade AK for 15 minutes


The kit is installed in 15-20 minutes on any AK, which is in service with Russian security forces.

According to Urzhumtsev, “the automatic received a modernized butt and receiver cover, a modern receiver pad and forearm, on which are integrated Picatinny slats (special brackets on which sights and various accessories are mounted)”.



The kit also included "a new belt, a translator-fuse and an ergonomic fire control grip," the chief designer added, noting that these changes "will improve the weapon's ergonomics and its controllability when performing combat missions in various weather and climatic conditions."



According to the developers, this retrofit kit “allows installation of additional equipment on weapons, such as modern optical-electronic aiming devices, laser designators, gun lights, low-noise shooting equipment and an effective flame arrestor.” In addition, it is possible to install 40-mm grenade launcher and bayonet.



Representatives of the company explained that the kits are designed for installation on automatic machines caliber 5,45 mm and 7,62 mm.



“Modernization of previously manufactured automata can be carried out both at industrial enterprises and directly in the military,” the concern noted. “A modern rifle complex equipped with a new Kalashnikov modernization kit will be able to tune in to any tactical task and will significantly expand the possibility of using weapons.”



Currently, preparations are underway for mass production of products.







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  1. Roman1970
    Roman1970 15 September 2015 16: 58 New
    +68
    The kit is installed in 15-20 minutes on any AK, which is in service with Russian security forces.
    The meaning is clear. In fact, a removable body kit. Well, I think, not bad, and not very expensive.
    1. kocclissi
      kocclissi 15 September 2015 17: 02 New
      +77
      It had to be done, even ten years ago! But well done, even now done!
      1. Russian Uzbek
        Russian Uzbek 15 September 2015 17: 23 New
        +10
        ten years ago there were other lotions
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 15 September 2015 19: 36 New
          +3
          photo from therephoto from there
          Yes, this is a clean kit.
          About the kit from the user "carden" here:
          http://k-a-r-d-e-n.livejournal.com/
          1. OlegLex
            OlegLex 17 September 2015 19: 30 New
            +1
            On a business trip, they sold me the cover of the receiver with a welded strip and a collimator assembly, and I want to tell you that I felt a little cheated, I didn’t feel sorry for the money, they easily came easily, but the fact that this device chatted when shooting so there was even an additional ringing, and then with an open sight, I hit a bayonet spade on a hundred, but horseradish with a collimator (a bayonet spade is stuck with a handle in the ground on a slope and it turns out that a good target is a hundred and fifty steps away). But on the AK-12 the receiver is already milling and this disease does not exist.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 15 September 2015 21: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: Russian Uzbek
          ten years ago there were other lotions

          Ten years ago, someone else pounded in his pants, and now he is nibbling the granite of science! smile God grant that the words do not diverge from the deed! hi
        3. gav6757
          gav6757 16 September 2015 20: 30 New
          +1
          Yes, do not give a damn how it looks, if only it worked and the effect was !!!
      2. Patton5
        Patton5 15 September 2015 18: 41 New
        +13
        Weird! Why there is no shop mouth request penny thing, and the effect ...
        1. remy
          remy 15 September 2015 19: 22 New
          +3
          cock better through the bottom
          gopnik!
        2. Fox
          Fox 16 September 2015 05: 21 New
          +11
          Quote: Patton5
          Weird! Why there is no shop mouth

          try to pick out the stuck sleeve from the neck in the field, and you will understand everything yourself!
        3. avdkrd
          avdkrd 16 September 2015 12: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Patton5
          Weird! Why is there no neck of the store a penny thing, but the effect ..

          The effect of the neck is a moot point. I met a comment from the PMC manovar that the convenience of the neck compared with the device on the AK completely crosses out the reliability of the latter - dirt and sand in the field (combat) conditions can create a serious problem with the abutment in the neck.
      3. turk
        turk 15 September 2015 19: 29 New
        -16
        I do not see the modernization itself.
        Similar "modernization" garage craftsmen used to do in Lada. They called it "tuning."
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 15 September 2015 22: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: turk
          I do not see the modernization itself.
          Similar "modernization" garage craftsmen used to do in Lada. They called it "tuning."

          ===
          modernization - change, improvement that meets modern requirements
          1. turk
            turk 15 September 2015 22: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Victorio
            modernization - change, improvement that meets modern requirements

            This is not visible. One kit type "garage tuning".
          2. derik1970
            derik1970 16 September 2015 07: 41 New
            +5
            in Kalash, the receiver’s lid, to put it mildly, is shaking, it’s not firmly fixed, if you dismantled the assault rifle, you would have seen it, so there’s no need to put a sight on it, it won’t be accurate, the aiming base is small, and therefore the rail on the lid for a flashlight ... so all that is described in the article is such as tuning ... a sniper rifle will not work out of Kalash ... and actually cheers and hat-making again ...
            1. P. Yaroslav
              P. Yaroslav 16 September 2015 08: 42 New
              +5
              And where is there, excuse me, haplessly? I don’t see the text “We’ll defeat everyone right now !!” The good news is of a technical nature rather than a capricious one ...
              1. derik1970
                derik1970 16 September 2015 12: 12 New
                0
                in the comments about the caps that throw this type of cheers, everything got even cooler with a gun ... voyaka uh confirmed my comments ...
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 16 September 2015 11: 13 New
              +4
              You're right. On Galil, a sight was put on the barrel lid
              boxes. It turned out badly. From vibrations, the lid was always loose.
              The sight went astray all the time.
              Himself drank with it. You shoot at the target: everything is heaped and everything is sideways ...
            3. avdkrd
              avdkrd 16 September 2015 13: 05 New
              +3
              Quote: derik1970
              in Kalash, the receiver’s lid, to put it mildly, is shaking, it’s not firmly fixed, if you dismantled the assault rifle, you would have seen it, so there’s no need to put a sight on it, it won’t be accurate, the aiming base is small, and therefore the rail on the lid for a flashlight ... so all that is described in the article is such as tuning ... a sniper rifle will not work out of Kalash ... and actually cheers and hat-making again ...

              not visible in the photo, but I assume that the receiver cover has a more rigid way of fixing than the original. This is actually a really key point, on AK 12 it is realized through a swivel joint in the front part, here the back of the receiver has a different shape and apparently the connection node with the receiver, and not on the latch of the bolt spring.
      4. Observer2014
        Observer2014 15 September 2015 20: 17 New
        +36
        Many people at home and abroad constantly argue about which is better, the Russian or Western philosophy of small arms. For what I have been telling them for many years. Instead of arguing, just imagine that you are flying to another planet one way and you have to bring weapons with you. Do you choose a weapon? I talked about this with different people from many countries. And I always heard only one answer. Russian Kalashnikov is not in competition. And with modern "body kits" he is still the most reliable "friend" of a soldier. And the latest Kalashnikov modifications turn him at the very laugh tonosnuyu car still for many decades to come.
        1. turk
          turk 15 September 2015 21: 24 New
          -80
          Quote: Observer2014
          Russian Kalashnikov in no competition.

          Why are you going to shoot at all? Just? Then it’s better to choose some kind of software. Cheap and cheerful. If you are going to shoot efficiently and in war, then better M16 (2 and more) has not yet been invented. Yes, a little expensive. But very effective.
          And the Kalashnikovs are popular only in those countries where there are no demographic problems. And not enough money.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 15 September 2015 21: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: turk
            it's better M16A (2 or more) has not been invented yet. Yes, a little expensive. But very effective.

            then Heckler-Koch HK417 ...

            The Heckler-Koch HK417 automatic rifle is built on the basis of gas-operated automatic devices with a short stroke located above the barrel of a gas piston (similar to the Heckler-Koch G36 rifle). The locking of the barrel is carried out by a rotary shutter with 7 fighting stops. A design feature of NK417 is the ability to relatively quickly (3-5 minutes) replace the trunks with the forces of the user himself and using a minimum of tools. In total, 4 variants of trunks are offered - the usual lengths of 30 and 40 centimeters and the “sniper” (improved processing) lengths of 40 and 50 centimeters. When using "sniper" barrels and corresponding cartridges, the rifle ensures accuracy of firing with single shots at the level of 1 angular minute (1 MOA).
            Better yet, this one ...
            1. turk
              turk 15 September 2015 21: 53 New
              -10
              Quote: PSih2097
              then Heckler-Koch HK417

              I do not agree. It's all about the 7,62 × 51 mm NATO cartridge. From him and hemorrhoids with interchangeable trunks. Some supporters of this concept have already gotten burned 70 years ago. This is the same case. On this cartridge, self-loading is appropriate. Maximum, dead automatic rifle. But, I repeat, dead. Actually not even automatic, but self-loading, with the ability to conduct automatic fire.
              So, only the cartridge with the SS109 bullet. The killer thing.
            2. Svateev
              Svateev 16 September 2015 09: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: PSih2097
              like a Heckler-Koch rifle G36).

              Quote: PSih2097
              4 barrel variants are offered - conventional 30 and 40 centimeters in length and sniper (improved processing) 40 and 50 centimeters in length

              If we take into account that just now the G36 is being withdrawn from service due to problems with firing accuracy (barrel overheating when firing in bursts), then this whole Heckler-Koch venture with a set of barrels of different lengths (and different ballistics!) Looks just like a cardboard dope - distraction from the failed G36.
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          2. c3r
            c3r 15 September 2015 21: 58 New
            +17
            Computer games need to be played less.
            1. turk
              turk 15 September 2015 22: 13 New
              -42
              Quote: c3r
              Computer games need to be played less.

              Are you talking to yourself? In vain. Doctors do not approve.
          3. Nick
            Nick 15 September 2015 22: 39 New
            +16
            Quote: turk
            Quote: Observer2014
            Russian Kalashnikov in no competition.

            Why are you going to shoot at all? Just? Then it’s better to choose some kind of software. Cheap and cheerful. If you are going to shoot efficiently and in war, then better M16 (2 and more) has not yet been invented. Yes, a little expensive. But very effective.
            And the Kalashnikovs are popular only in those countries where there are no demographic problems. And not enough money.

            In real hostilities, the reliability of the weapon in all conditions of use, plus MTBF, is of utmost importance. According to these parameters, Kalash has no equal. And accuracy, accuracy of fire is quite acceptable. good . But in the dash M16 is probably preferable hi
            1. Hello
              Hello 15 September 2015 22: 44 New
              -12
              Quote: Nick
              Quote: turk
              Quote: Observer2014
              Russian Kalashnikov in no competition.

              Why are you going to shoot at all? Just? Then it’s better to choose some kind of software. Cheap and cheerful. If you are going to shoot efficiently and in war, then better M16 (2 and more) has not yet been invented. Yes, a little expensive. But very effective.
              And the Kalashnikovs are popular only in those countries where there are no demographic problems. And not enough money.

              In real hostilities, the reliability of the weapon in all conditions of use, plus MTBF, is of utmost importance. According to these parameters, Kalash has no equal. And accuracy, accuracy of fire is quite acceptable. good . But in the dash M16 is probably preferable hi

              I never used Kalashnikov, but for 3 years of service, neither the M-16 nor the M-4 was satisfactory.
              1. Ile ham
                Ile ham 15 September 2015 23: 53 New
                +9
                But it would be necessary to compare .. At least for the purity of the experiment .. I think you will feel and see the difference ..
                1. Hello
                  Hello 16 September 2015 00: 45 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Ile Ham
                  But it would be necessary to compare .. At least for the purity of the experiment .. I think you will feel and see the difference ..

                  What's the point? The rifle suits me, and I use this at training camps. If you follow the weapon it perfectly shows itself in any conditions. And at least give Kalashniks to sluts, at least he will have problems with them.
              2. tracer
                tracer 16 September 2015 02: 01 New
                +22
                I have been engaged in shooting sports for 30 years, and the sniper was where and when needed. Of course, and in a foreign land, my favorite shooting sport did not give up. So about the lack of complaints. I have such a device M4 Koltovsky. Well, an accurate machine to shoot quickly and very conveniently, if the cartridge is good (not surprise) then there is almost no pollution. But .... My friend wedges, wedges. It also happens. My rifle works in greenhouse conditions only in a shooting range, though it has already reached a decent enough point for 6. So don’t blaspheme, it wedges a dirty wedge easily especially after firing in bursts. He personally caught a wedge in a dash in Vegas after two stores. So do not ...
                1. Hello
                  Hello 16 September 2015 10: 43 New
                  -3
                  Quote: tracer
                  I have been engaged in shooting sports for 30 years, and the sniper was where and when needed. Of course, and in a foreign land, my favorite shooting sport did not give up. So about the lack of complaints. I have such a device M4 Koltovsky. Well, an accurate machine to shoot quickly and very conveniently, if the cartridge is good (not surprise) then there is almost no pollution. But .... My friend wedges, wedges. It also happens. My rifle works in greenhouse conditions only in a shooting range, though it has already reached a decent enough point for 6. So don’t blaspheme, it wedges a dirty wedge easily especially after firing in bursts. He personally caught a wedge in a dash in Vegas after two stores. So do not ...

                  Why should I lie to you, dear? For 3 years, there were no complaints. Yes, and now at the training camp without any complaints.
                2. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 16 September 2015 11: 38 New
                  +3
                  "But .... Wedges my friend, wedges" ////

                  What do you mean by wedges?
                  Sometimes the M-16 had an undelivered cartridge. You distort
                  you throw out the cartridge, shoot further. More often it happened
                  due to a defect in the store.
                  To M-16 "wedged" tightly, I do not remember this.
                  Here the MAG machine gun once jammed "completely." Carried
                  to the gunsmiths.
                  1. c3r
                    c3r 16 September 2015 21: 15 New
                    +3
                    Several times the Kalash didn’t shoot either. There was such a thing! Only the problem was that the cartridges ran out. No overfilling and underfilling was observed. Here is the KPVT-14,5mm on the MPTP machine with exactly the flour, the constant sticking of the cartridges into the metal trays, and the Kalash nothing, just clean and charge on time! good
              3. almost demobil
                almost demobil 16 September 2015 04: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: Hello
                I never used Kalashnikov, but for 3 years of service, neither the M-16 nor the M-4 was satisfactory.

                But just the same in vain, everything is known in comparison.
              4. c3r
                c3r 16 September 2015 21: 08 New
                +6
                I assure you that during the 18 years of my military service, the Kalashnikov also never failed me. I didn’t let him down 6 times, right? hi
                1. turk
                  turk 16 September 2015 22: 35 New
                  -2
                  Quote: c3r
                  for 18 years of military service, Kalashnikov also never failed

                  And for 50 years, the pitchfork never let me down. The best army weapon, is the pitchfork?
                  1. Svateev
                    Svateev 17 September 2015 17: 22 New
                    0
                    Quote: turk
                    The best army weapon, is the pitchfork?

                    The best army weapons are brains!
                    "c36" compared the time between failures of Kalashnikov and another machine gun. Quite rightly compared. So why juggle - "pitchfork" ?! Just to leave the last word for yourself? yes
                    1. bergma
                      bergma 21 September 2015 09: 05 New
                      0
                      Quote: Svateev
                      "s36" compared the time between failures of Kalashnikov and another machine gun. Completely legitimate compared.

                      Which one? What kind of machine did he compare with?
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                  3. c3r
                    c3r 17 September 2015 21: 00 New
                    0
                    When there is nothing to say, humor begins in a Petrosian way!
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            2. turk
              turk 15 September 2015 22: 46 New
              -36
              Quote: Nick
              In real hostilities, the reliability of the weapon in all conditions of use, plus MTBF, is of utmost importance. According to these parameters, Kalash has no equal.

              You're dramatizing. Believe me, high-quality imported weapons are expensive for a reason.
              Quote: Nick
              And accuracy, accuracy of fire is quite acceptable.

              And what is this, some interesting indicators? And what kind of factory products can it be? Anyone.
              Quote: Nick
              But in dash M16 is probably preferable

              I emphasize that any M16 is better. But M16A2 and beyond, even better. And not only in the dash, but also on the battlefield. Because the task of army weapons, the destruction of enemy forces. And the M16 handles this much better than the AK-74. Just laid in their performance characteristics.
              1. bunta
                bunta 15 September 2015 23: 19 New
                +13
                Quote: turk
                I emphasize that any M16 is better. But M16A2 and beyond, even better. And not only in the dash, but also on the battlefield. Because the task of army weapons, the destruction of enemy forces. And the M16 handles this much better than the AK-74. Just laid in their performance characteristics.


                Excuse me, will you be from Pimply? Something he has not been seen for a long time.
                1. turk
                  turk 15 September 2015 23: 21 New
                  -29
                  Quote: bunta
                  Excuse me, will you be from Pimply?

                  Are you so kidding?
                  And about the M16, that's right. You vainly praise AK. In fact, this is not a very good weapon. And its advantages, and they are, are doubtful. Especially the AK-47 / AKM. There is generally a complete blockage. Propaganda. And free gifts to "friends" in incredible quantities. And nothing more.
                  Believe me, I understand this well. Highly.
                  For the entire Soviet period was not put into service NO ONE a good cartridge for small arms. The closest to normal is that of the AK-74. But he is not quite. And from a bad seed (cartridge) do not expect a good tribe.
                  1. dokusib
                    dokusib 15 September 2015 23: 58 New
                    +2
                    Which cartridge do you think is good?
                    1. turk
                      turk 16 September 2015 18: 38 New
                      -3
                      Quote: dokusib
                      Which cartridge do you think is good?

                      All. All air-conditioned cartridges are more or less good. And they differ mainly in specialization.
                      As for individual small arms, in my opinion today the weapon on the 5,56 × 45 mm NATO cartridge with the SS109 bullet is certainly the best.
                      Incidentally, I don’t have anything special against Kalashnikov as a constructive. Maybe you just need to redo it under this cartridge. And the deal with the end.
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                  3. Ile ham
                    Ile ham 16 September 2015 00: 01 New
                    +14
                    Sorry, TURK, but in my opinion you are not X .. (not used to swearing publicly) do not think in general not only in any small arms, but also in the tactics and strategy of its use .. And especially in its advantages (in practice) .
                    1. turk
                      turk 16 September 2015 18: 48 New
                      -5
                      Quote: Ile Ham
                      You don’t think not only in any small arms, but also in the tactics and strategies of its use.

                      I'm glad that you, Ham, understand this. Yes, there are few more strategists of your level in the country. Few. But nothing, soon you will finish school and show everyone how to.
              2. Ile ham
                Ile ham 15 September 2015 23: 55 New
                +4
                Pledged - does not mean that it really is! Do you understand the difference?
                1. turk
                  turk 16 September 2015 18: 49 New
                  -6
                  Quote: Ile Ham
                  Pledged - does not mean that it really is! Do you understand the difference?

                  Pledged, this means that it will not be better than written. Learn Russian, come in handy.
              3. Svateev
                Svateev 16 September 2015 09: 20 New
                +4
                Quote: turk
                Believe me, high-quality imported weapons are expensive for a reason.

                Where did you jump to this site from, small? Who are you selling such cheap "arguments" to ?! Who should we take our word for - you, dropout ?!
                Quote: turk
                And what is this, some interesting indicators?

                Estimate, accuracy and accuracy of shooting - these are very "interesting" indicators!
                Quote: turk
                And what kind of factory products can it be? Anyone.

                And they can be different for products from different factories. Very different.
                Quote: turk
                I emphasize

                We listen barely breathing !!!
                Quote: turk
                better any M16

                Especially the first model, with which the Americans were killed by platoons due to the fact that it massively "wedged", which was confirmed by the Pentagon itself.
                Quote: turk
                And the M16 handles this much better than the AK-74. Just laid in their performance characteristics.

                It's just that cats breed. And everything about weapons is not easy at all.
                1. turk
                  turk 16 September 2015 19: 01 New
                  -9
                  Quote: Svateev
                  Who should we take our word for - you, dropout ?!

                  You’re funny, Svateev. In my anger.
                  Quote: Svateev
                  Estimate, accuracy and accuracy of shooting - these are very "interesting" indicators!

                  Estimate it is the NORMAL (standard) INDICATORS. For factory weapons. If you also decided to compare the basement samopals, these are your problems.
                  Quote: Svateev
                  And they can be different for products from different factories. Very different.

                  Then these are not factories. And haberdashery factories. Left handed at night.
                  Quote: Svateev
                  Especially the first model, with which the Americans were killed by platoons due to the fact that it massively "wedged", which was confirmed by the Pentagon itself.

                  You are my dear. Having seen enough of the trials of the “terrible M16” in Vietnam, the USSR sent all that was dear to you. Namely, the "ingenious intermediate cartridge" and all the weapons on it. Yes, those same "unique" AK-47s and the like. And once again, the 101st time re-equipped the SA with a new weapon in the image and likeness of the “terrible M16”. True, the rush is needed only when catching fleas. Therefore, they screwed up a cartridge with the USSR. Made not powerful enough. Error in the calculations.
                  And the "stupid Americans" did everything leisurely and by. They adopted a new cartridge and a more powerful weapon on it. They called him M16A2.
                  Teach materiel, Svateev.
                  1. gross kaput
                    gross kaput 17 September 2015 13: 31 New
                    +2
                    Quote: turk
                    powerful.

                    Turk, or more correctly ZVZO or maybe 190815, do you come up with new terms? Listen, get out of VO, you already got everyone here, because you don’t even have enough brains to do it, all you can do is, after you have been busted again, change your nickname and rub the same schizophrenic ideas under a new nickname.
                    PS residents of Urava’s brains were beaten out, the impression is that it’s not a person but a robot that follows the laid down algorithm - registering an account on VO with replacing the flag of the country 404 with the flag of the USSR, an attempt to bring in schizophrenic ideas, draining, deleting the old account and registering a new one again under the flag USSR and with the same delusional posts-again drain and again in a new way. The fourth account is already backwater once for another brain is not enough.
                    1. turk
                      turk 17 September 2015 13: 38 New
                      -3
                      How are you feeling? It seems that it’s not very good. Get well.
                      1. gross kaput
                        gross kaput 17 September 2015 17: 59 New
                        0
                        I’m okay, only you can’t really be friends with your head - have you already forgotten your "old" nicknames "ZVTSO" and "190815"? Well, come on, start rubbing about the effective PPSh range of 30 meters and further on the list, otherwise I have already stocked up on popcorn.
                        PS no, well, what kind of stupid Troll has gone in Ugukostan now !? Probably Euro-integrated.
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                  2. Svateev
                    Svateev 17 September 2015 16: 19 New
                    0
                    Quote: turk
                    you, Svateev.

                    Baaaaa! Yes, you’re literate: managed to translate the name written in Latin letters into Cyrillic !! Not every one like you is given ...
                    Now essentially.
                    Quote: turk
                    Over the entire Soviet period, not a single good cartridge for small arms was put into service. The closest to normal is that of AK-74. But he wasn’t quite ... screwed up with a cartridge in the USSR. Made not powerful enough. Error in the calculations.

                    Nonsense. The cartridge for the AK74 is better than the cartridge for the M16: the initial velocity of the bullet, therefore, the range of a direct shot is greater. Punching is better. The only worse is the stopping effect, and this is only because the M16 bullet, in violation of an international convention, loses stability when it enters the human body, causing greater damage than the AK74 bullet.
                    Quote: turk
                    Having seen enough of the trials of the “terrible M16” in Vietnam, the USSR sent all that was dear to you. Namely, the "ingenious intermediate cartridge" and all the weapons on it. Yes, yes, those same "unique" AK-47 and the like. And once again, 101-th time re-equipped the SA with a new weapon in the image and likeness of the "terrible M16"

                    If you ever took apart AK (there is no such AK-47 assault rifle) or AKM, then you would know that AK74 is their twin, only of a smaller caliber. So no "in the image of M16." By the way, even AKs are still fighting, but M16 of the first issues has not been seen in any gang formation for a long time - they were thrown out for complete unsuitability.
                    Quote: turk
                    They called him M16A2.

                    Well then, if THEY and HIM, and NAME (how much pathos!), Then everyone should go to bed and die right now ... lol
                    Quote: turk
                    You are my dear.

                    You drop these geyropeyskie habits! "Dear" you have somewhere there. And here you and Russia for the "dear" lively slam ... am
                    1. bergma
                      bergma 21 September 2015 09: 12 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Svateev
                      Yes, you’re literate: managed to translate the name written in Latin letters into Cyrillic !!

                      Do you like talking to the TV? You don’t see that your opponent cannot answer you? Why, then, strike out at someone who cannot answer you? Some kind of scoundrel.
                    2. bergma
                      bergma 21 September 2015 09: 16 New
                      -1
                      And not only a scoundrel, but also an ignoramus. Here they are "pearls", flooded:
                      Quote: Svateev
                      The cartridge for AK74 is better than the cartridge for M16: the initial velocity of the bullet, therefore, the range of a direct shot is greater. Punching is better. The only worse is the stopping effect, and this is only because the M16 bullet, in violation of the international convention, loses stability when it enters the human body, which causes greater damage than the AK74 bullet.

                      Quote: Svateev
                      So no "in the image of the M16."

                      Quote: Svateev
                      And here you and Russia for the "dear" lively slam ...

                      Every word is nonsense. And where the administration is looking. Why are such comments allowed to write?
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              4. Svateev
                Svateev 16 September 2015 09: 37 New
                +4
                Quote: turk
                Believe me, high-quality imported weapons are expensive for a reason.

                Believe fool Especially because your arguments for a mile away stink of custom trolling!
                1. turk
                  turk 16 September 2015 18: 50 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Svateev
                  per mile stink of custom trolling

                  Yes? And who is the customer?
                  1. Svateev
                    Svateev 17 September 2015 16: 29 New
                    +1
                    Quote: turk
                    Yes? And who is the customer?

                    What, no customer? On its own, without a customer ?! Was he born like that?
              5. c3r
                c3r 16 September 2015 21: 41 New
                +3
                And then we remove the ak-74 and take the ak “hundredth” series and compare it with your “miracle machine for destroying the enemy’s manpower.” I assume that m16a (with all the numbers) smokes nervously? soldier
                1. turk
                  turk 16 September 2015 22: 09 New
                  -9
                  Quote: c3r
                  and compare with your "miracle machine to destroy enemy manpower." So I assume that m16a (with all the numbers) nervously smokes?

                  Why would she "nervously smoke"? What is interesting about this series? Another option that is on the NATO cartridge (AK-101) can be considered. It will only slightly yield to the M16. There is nothing more interesting there.
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 16 September 2015 22: 14 New
                    +2
                    Quote: turk
                    on NATO cartridge (AK-101) can be considered. It will only slightly yield to the M16. There is nothing more interesting there.

                    Well you tenacious laughing

                    I’m more interested - who is restoring your rate to you? wink

                    - registered - yesterday. This morning - already in turtles, EMNIP
                    - and now - again -450 .. where else -2500 have gone - a charade, right? belay

                    Suggests funny thoughts, you know wink
                    1. turk
                      turk 16 September 2015 22: 20 New
                      -5
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Suggests funny thoughts, you know

                      I hope the Englishwoman crap? bully
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 16 September 2015 22: 24 New
                        0
                        Quote: turk
                        I hope the Englishwoman crap?

                        Yes, I'm exactly .. a hundred times hi
                      2. turk
                        turk 16 September 2015 22: 26 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        exactly a hundred times

                        I will think ...
                2. c3r
                  c3r 17 September 2015 21: 11 New
                  0
                  Before that, it was popularly explained to you that Kalash is a very reliable, powerful and quite accurate and easy to use (for infantry weapon) thing, besides it is also extremely popular both with ours and yours. But your M16 (and blah, blah) is very popular in action movies (and not all of them) and with amers with their suction cups (because there’s nowhere to support your VPK!) hi
                  1. bergma
                    bergma 21 September 2015 09: 19 New
                    -1
                    Quote: c3r
                    Kalash is a very reliable, powerful and fairly accurate and easy to use (for infantry weapons) thing, besides it is also extremely popular with both ours and yours.

                    Learn the materiel. Our you and yours.
                    A little aside, on general topics.
                    The habit of comrades has always been amazed at cutting some sort of semi-finished product, and then driving around people’s ears that this semi-finished product is the best in the world. And successfully. What problems do people have? No education, no comparative analysis. And "patriotism" is very developed. Therefore, it is easy to deceive him. He himself is glad to be deceived. But all over the world the people are educated. Literate. And here the comrades have trouble.
                    And so, look at any Soviet weapons. It is "the best in the world." Is always. In any case.
                    Still, these comrades are funny. The backward country of the third world, producing the best products in the world. Where is this seen? This can never be in principle. Contrary to the law of common sense. Unless a couple of key positions where all forces are concentrated. And that’s all.
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        2. belij
          belij 16 September 2015 05: 51 New
          +4
          Even the Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq used AK - it has no equal in reliability.
        3. user
          user 16 September 2015 10: 01 New
          +2
          it's better M16A (2 or more) has not been invented yet.


          You can write anything, the paper will endure everything, but the consumer votes with his money, and not with a discussion of a product. None of the options you proposed in terms of quantity have even come close to Kalashnikov, and everything else, all these articles and ratings, are from the evil one.
          1. tso1973
            tso1973 16 September 2015 14: 59 New
            +2
            So Americans from Russia buy AK AKs for PMCs protecting oil towers in the east, American gas mechanics from AK put weapons on the channel on the AP15 to at least somehow increase reliability. This indicates the quality and reliability of the M16!
        4. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger 16 September 2015 17: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: turk
          Then it’s better to choose some kind of software. Cheap and cheerful. If you are going to shoot efficiently and in war, then better M16A (2 or more) has not yet been invented.

          It is a pity that the soldiers of the MTR of the US Army are not in the know. They grab AK on occasion. "Well stupid!" (C))))
          You, "dear", with this American american fire? After the third store, shot at a cheerful pace, it warms up so that the shooter can guarantee complete secrecy of the bullet’s flight.
          About reliability and the ability to work in the field and say no.
          1. turk
            turk 16 September 2015 20: 42 New
            -3
            Quote: Rattenfanger
            After the third store, shot at a cheerful pace, it warms up so that the shooter can guarantee complete secrecy of the bullet’s flight.

            I recommend that you charge with tracers not the fourth, but the third horn of the AK-74. And pace to shoot the first 2. Enchanting picture you will see on the 3rd. Figuratively, it can be called a "sower". So, do not la la.
            1. Svateev
              Svateev 17 September 2015 16: 37 New
              -1
              Quote: turk
              I recommend that you charge with tracers not the fourth, but the third horn of the AK-74. And pace to shoot the first 2. You will see an enchanting picture on 3.

              Do you even understand what you said ?! After 2 shops without tracers, seeing tracers on the 3 m is naturally enchanting: then there were no bullets to be seen, but then it suddenly became visible ... And so, these are tracers!
              I wanted to say something else - so choose the right words! tongue
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            3. Svateev
              Svateev 17 September 2015 18: 09 New
              -1
              Quote: turk
              I recommend that you charge with tracers not the fourth, but the third horn of the AK-74.

              IN NO CASE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CHARGE THE TRACERS ARE A CONTRACT EVEN MORE THAN A few PIECES, BUT NOT THE WHOLE STORE! Read the weapon guide! The tracer remains soot in the trunk and therefore the bullet following the tracer flies out at a slower speed. And if the tracers are charged in a row, then after several shots the next bullet can even get stuck in the barrel.
              Therefore, if you completely charge even the first store with tracers, you will see “spitting”. But these "spit" will confirm the stupidity of the shooter, and not the shortcomings of the machine.
              1. gross kaput
                gross kaput 18 September 2015 10: 43 New
                +1
                Quote: Svateev
                The tracer remains soot in the trunk and therefore the bullet following the tracer flies out at a slower speed.

                Why are you smoking so tasty there? “no burn” from tracers in the barrel no more than from other cartridges, because the tracer train starts to flare up at a distance of 30-70 m from the muzzle end, the problem is different - because of the cup with the tracer, the bullet got a characteristic shape with a long leading part, which leads to increased friction in the bore and, accordingly, to increased heating, well, in the case of systematic “abuse” of tracers affects the resource of the barrel.
                carefully look at the picture and realize the rightmost 7t3 tracer
                1. Svateev
                  Svateev 18 September 2015 14: 17 New
                  -1
                  Quote: gross kaput
                  Why are you smoking so tasty there?

                  Nah! We don’t smoke anything at all. Therefore, we have a clear head and we can evaluate the problems as a whole. laughing
                  Quote: gross kaput
                  the tracer train starts to flare up at a distance of 30-70 m from the muzzle end, the problem is different - because of the cup with the tracer, the bullet got a characteristic shape with a long leading part, which leads to increased friction in the barrel bore and, accordingly, to increased heating,

                  1) When the roster "flares up" - a moot point. But the fact is that it “ignites the tracer composition with the flame from the powder charge WHEN SHOT”, that is, in the barrel channel [Manual on the shooting business of AK 1957, p. 48]. And therefore, the tracer composition simply can’t leave the excess deposits in the barrel.
                  2) A cup for tracer composition is definitely available
                  and this cup may create excess friction (see picture below).
                  But what’s interesting: the Americans developed a new tracer composition and allowed new equipment to equip the entire store (tape) with new tracer cartridges. And no cup on the new pool gives either warm-up or barrel wear.
                  1. gross kaput
                    gross kaput 18 September 2015 18: 42 New
                    0
                    Quote: Svateev
                    Therefore we have a clear head

                    besides a clear head you need something else in it and knowledge smile
                    Quote: Svateev
                    When the composition "flares up" - a moot point.

                    For some, the question of the shape of the earth is still controversial, while others simply know that the earth is round laughing
                    Quote: Svateev
                    And the fact is

                    It is a fact that NSD is written for military personnel who have no sense in clogging their brains with extra details - the instructions for your mobile phone probably do not have the number of capacitors in its design, but this does not mean that they are not there. laughing
                    In the bullet of the T45 cartridge or in another 57-T-231P that you have presented, the pyrotechnic composition consists of three parts of the ignitor of the gear train and the tracer composition, when fired, the gases ignite the igniter composition which has a very small volume and does not affect the formation of soot through then, after the bullet takes off, the transmission train flares up and at a distance of 50 to 120 meters (according to the passport) the tracer just flares up, the delay was made specifically to reduce the shooter's unmasking.
                    Quote: Svateev
                    and this cup may create excess friction

                    The cup does not create anything, increased friction is caused by the shell of the bullet having a long leading part due to the need to place the cup and nozzle.
                    Quote: Svateev
                    But here is what is interesting:

                    It will be interesting when, instead of trying to invent a bicycle on your own, you open books and read what for and why, the benefit of textbooks like Comrade Malov's production of small arms cartridges is full of 1947 publications and others.
                    Quote: Svateev
                    the Americans developed a new tracer composition and allowed new tracer cartridges to equip the entire store (tape).

                    Caliber, cartridge index in the studio, otherwise I heard a lot of fun
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          3. Hello
            Hello 16 September 2015 22: 32 New
            0
            Oh, do not tell this nonsense about amers howling with Kalashnikov. Believe about clips, and after the fifth and sixth shoots perfectly.
  2. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 15 September 2015 17: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: Roman1970
    Well, I think, not bad, and not very expensive.

    The Israeli butt (similar, but not folding) on ​​the AK-47 cost 7000r a year ago. At the price of the 15000p machine itself.
    1. Down House
      Down House 15 September 2015 17: 19 New
      +14
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Israeli butt (similar, but not folding) on ​​the AK-47 cost a year ago 7000r

      So it’s Israeli. How much do Israeli “automatic machines” cost?
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 15 September 2015 18: 23 New
      -1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Quote: Roman1970
      Well, I think, not bad, and not very expensive.

      The Israeli butt (similar, but not folding) on ​​the AK-47 cost 7000r a year ago. At the price of the 15000p machine itself.

      I already saw it somewhere. fellow
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 15 September 2015 19: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        I already saw it somewhere.

        Hello Aron. hi You can’t argue against the obvious, the butt is convenient (shot). The price is embarrassing, when it’s massive it’s impractical from an economic point of view hi .
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 15 September 2015 21: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          I already saw it somewhere.

          Hello Aron. hi You can’t argue against the obvious, the butt is convenient (shot). The price is embarrassing, when it’s massive it’s impractical from an economic point of view hi .

          Well, if Vietnam and Colombia buy it in tens of thousands of units, then for Russia it’s generally a penny.
  3. Grabberxnumx
    Grabberxnumx 15 September 2015 17: 08 New
    +1
    But after that you have to shoot him again.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 15 September 2015 21: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Grabber2000
      But after that you have to shoot him again.

      So what? If you want to hit the target, and not scare - to shoot periodically NECESSARY!
      1. Ile ham
        Ile ham 16 September 2015 00: 04 New
        +10
        In normal units, after receiving ANY weapon (and, even I’ll tell you a secret, after securing the weapon to the soldier), it SHOULD shoot him ..
  4. Juborg
    Juborg 15 September 2015 17: 09 New
    +7
    With this kit the old man will still fight. Rather, it is necessary to switch to a series, because so far it is a very expensive pleasure.
    1. Altona
      Altona 15 September 2015 17: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: juborg
      With this kit the old man will still fight. Rather, it is necessary to switch to a series, because so far it is a very expensive pleasure.

      ---------------------
      He will fight without a body kit, nothing is said about replacing the bolt frame and other parts of the working mechanism ...
      1. Juborg
        Juborg 15 September 2015 20: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        Quote: juborg
        With this kit the old man will still fight. Rather, it is necessary to switch to a series, because so far it is a very expensive pleasure.

        ---------------------
        He will fight without a body kit, nothing is said about replacing the bolt frame and other parts of the working mechanism ...


        The inside is the same, the receiver cover is changing, forend, butt, etc. I read somewhere, the whole set in the series will cost about 4-5 thousand rubles, possibly cheaper, it all depends on the series.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 15 September 2015 21: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: juborg
          I read somewhere, the whole set in the series will cost about 4-5 thousand rubles, possibly cheaper, it all depends on the series.

          go to the site of the zenith and be surprised ... 30 000 rubles and this is without optics ...
          shtatovsky Kit on AK / Saiga costs from $ 300 to $ 800 ..
          1. Juborg
            Juborg 16 September 2015 03: 30 New
            0
            All this mutata comes from beyond the hillock, hence the price as in jewelry. Our series will go many times cheaper. Now the butt from the "brothers" of the Jews, costs about 5-6 thousand rubles. You can’t shoot from the butt, a poor collimator from 10.
      2. zubkoff46
        zubkoff46 17 September 2015 20: 21 New
        0
        But why bother to “weigh it” at all? Fashion? For optics and nightlights, there used to be a dovetail groove on the left, and nothing fired. Another question is that the mounting points of modern sights, incl. collimators, now we are unified with foreign ones. Yes, plus pictures from computer shooters. Hence the “body kits" so that young warriors all over the world like weapons. Beauty is a terrible force, right?
  5. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 15 September 2015 17: 26 New
    +13
    Quote: Roman1970
    I think not bad

    And what, directly the picatinny rail itself increases efficiency by 1,5 times? smile
    1. i80186
      i80186 15 September 2015 17: 49 New
      +30
      Quote: Vladimirets
      And what, directly the picatinny rail itself increases efficiency by 1,5 times?

      Naturally. You can scratch your face on it. laughing
      1. Ile ham
        Ile ham 16 September 2015 00: 08 New
        +4
        And also nails do not need to be cut. SIMPLY FINGER ON THE PLANK !!!
    2. Altona
      Altona 15 September 2015 17: 53 New
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      And what, directly the picatinny rail itself increases efficiency by 1,5 times?

      ------------------
      If there is a collimator, yes, and so, it’s just a design element, and clinging to clothes ...
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 15 September 2015 18: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: i80186
        Naturally. You can scratch your face on it.

        Quote: Altona
        If there is a collimator, yes, and so, it’s just a design element, and clinging to clothes ...

        Here I am about this, all these bells and whistles are either an intermediate link for another kit, or for convenience, things, of course, are useful, but they are too loudly announced. request
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 15 September 2015 18: 32 New
        +6
        Quote: Altona
        If there is a collimator, yes, and so, it’s just a design element, and clinging to clothes ...

        Where the collimator is asked to stand ak .., the sense of it is zero .. The spring rests on the lid, and it itself moves quite decently when shooting.
        I would attribute the stated improvements 1. to the butt .. Apparently with the shock absorber the application line is probably displaced and 2. this is the new DTK .., which is called flame arrestor by accident .. what is encryption for?
      3. turk
        turk 15 September 2015 19: 32 New
        -36
        Quote: Altona
        If there is a collimator, yes

        Why AK collimator? To hunt for protein? In the eye to beat?
        1. Homo
          Homo 15 September 2015 20: 00 New
          +12
          Quote: turk
          Why AK collimator? To hunt for protein? In the eye to beat?

          For decency, at least they looked at Wiki.
          "... Collimator sighting systems are systems that use a collimator to construct an image of the aiming mark projected to infinity. In fact, radiation from a light source in a sight is reflected by a collimator lens into the observer’s eye in a parallel stream. As a result, the observer’s pupil does not have to be on the optical axis of the sight, it is enough that it is within the projection of the sight lens along this axis.With transverse eye movements, the aim mark from the point of view of the observer moves along the sight lens, remaining at the aiming point regardless of the position of the observer’s eye relative to the sight. limits of the projection of the lens, the aiming mark “hides” behind its edge.

          The collimator sight provides a very high aiming speed - about 2-3 times higher than traditional “fly” ones, since when aiming you need to combine only two points - a red luminous mark, which is visible through the eyepiece and, in fact, the target itself, while the eye is accommodated at a distance to the target (in mechanical sights - usually on the fly, the rear sight and the target are not in focus) .... "

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BB
          1. turk
            turk 15 September 2015 20: 08 New
            -34
            Quote: Homo
            Collimator sight provides very high aiming speed

            You do not understand the question? Then I rephrase why a cow needs a saddle?
            1. saygon66
              saygon66 15 September 2015 21: 08 New
              +7
              - It is believed that the use of a collimator sight simplifies the use of weapons by poorly trained shooters ... and also improves the visual perception of the environment (when aiming, both eyes are open). But retraining for him is still a pleasure ... the left eye does not come off ... laughing
              1. Hello
                Hello 15 September 2015 21: 10 New
                +5
                Quote: saygon66
                - It is believed that the use of a collimator sight simplifies the use of weapons by poorly trained shooters ... and also improves the visual perception of the environment (when aiming, both eyes are open). But retraining for him is still a pleasure ... the left eye does not come off ... laughing

                And in my opinion nothing complicated. You get used to it very quickly.
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 15 September 2015 21: 42 New
                  +2
                  - smile Mb if you use "Eotek", with the "Chinese" everything is more complicated ...
                  1. Hello
                    Hello 15 September 2015 21: 57 New
                    0
                    And what kind of Chinese samples? We were taught first to shoot with an open sight, then they set everyone up with a mepro. I think it’s very convenient especially at night.
                    1. saygon66
                      saygon66 15 September 2015 22: 13 New
                      +1
                      - Fake on Amypoint Micro ... and then, except from the open, we didn’t shoot at all ... except for snipers, of course! Hence the irresistible "craving for new knowledge" smile
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                    3. proletarian
                      proletarian 15 September 2015 22: 31 New
                      0
                      At night, the most “savory” problems arise (unless of course the brightness of the backlight is not regulated).
                    4. Hello
                      Hello 15 September 2015 22: 34 New
                      0
                      Quote: proletarian
                      At night, the most “savory” problems arise (unless of course the brightness of the backlight is not regulated).

                      I did not notice any inconvenience compared to the open sight
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            2. turk
              turk 15 September 2015 21: 19 New
              -26
              Quote: saygon66
              the use of a collimator sight simplifies the use of weapons with poorly trained shooters ..

              It is wonderful. But why is it AK with its ballistics? Pampering it. For special services and hunters. Massively for the army this is not necessary.
              1. saygon66
                saygon66 15 September 2015 21: 30 New
                +6
                - Contacts at short range ... Here, dispersion does not play a big role, but the speed with which you can make an accurate shot - yes ...
                1. turk
                  turk 16 September 2015 19: 04 New
                  -7
                  Quote: saygon66
                  Here dispersal does not play a big role, but the speed with which you can produce an accurate shot - yes.

                  AK, this is an automatic weapon. He does not need special accuracy, and even at short range. The weapon for this is done automatically. In order not to require great accuracy from him.
                  1. saygon66
                    saygon66 16 September 2015 22: 03 New
                    +3
                    - smile I read it, and immediately remembered: "Push the trigger - and pray!" Motorbike
                    there’s a collimator in the circuit (maybe!) and there’s nothing ... only where in recent years have they fought like that?
                    - It seems to me that any “lotion” that increases the usability of a “tool” has the right to be. It is necessary to try - the unnecessary is eliminated.
                  2. turk
                    turk 16 September 2015 22: 18 New
                    -6
                    Quote: saygon66
                    only where in recent years so fought?

                    So they didn’t fight.
                    Quote: saygon66
                    It seems to me that any "lotion" that increases the usability of a "tool" has the right to be.

                    I wrote about this from the very beginning. Special Forces. Intelligence services. The hunters. These, for God's sake. But this is not an army. The army does not need this.
                  3. saygon66
                    saygon66 16 September 2015 22: 50 New
                    +2
                    - So the army is changing ... "The army does not need this" - " stop Not allowed!"?
                    - It is not allowed to shoot the “conscript” arrow from the PM, PKM - there are machine gunners for this, SVD - only for snipers. AGS - and you can’t think ... But after all, 95 year, and at our shooting range teams are preparing for Chechnya ...
                    - "No need" - and ... zdets! Cotton with "gilded" buttons, polished brass plaques, "sidor" - and enough ... And you don’t need Abakan, TKB, Grendel, berets, etc. But try?
                  4. turk
                    turk 16 September 2015 23: 01 New
                    -7
                    Quote: saygon66
                    Рђ РїРѕРїСЂРѕР ± РѕРІР ° ть?

                    You do not understand the point. But she is simple. The defeat of the enemy with army automatic weapons, as laid down in his philosophy and design, occurs in line. Devices for accurate single shooting such weapons are not needed in principle.
                    Maybe some NOT Army structures will want to use such army weapons to solve their problems. Then, probably, such a device could be useful to them. But the army, the ordinary army, for AUTOMATIC weapons such a device NOT necessary.
                    I hope I have explained in sufficient detail?
                  5. saygon66
                    saygon66 17 September 2015 00: 46 New
                    +2
                    - "Dry theory, my friend! And the tree of life is lushly green ..." (C) You probably know that the NSD recommends hitting targets with a short burst of 3 shots ... I was present when one of the officers made a remark to the shooter for the defeat targets with single shots, to which another, older in age and rank, who passed Afghanistan, noticed that the ammunition is not infinite - he put the target with one shot - well done! “No need” is a death sentence for any innovations ... only practice will show!
                  6. turk
                    turk 17 September 2015 00: 57 New
                    -7
                    Quote: saygon66
                    You probably know that NSD recommends hitting targets with a short burst of 3 shots ...

                    Quote: saygon66
                    put the target with one shot

                    “Putting a target” and “laying an opponent” are not the same thing. Therefore, it is better to follow the NSD.
                    Quote: saygon66
                    to which another, older in age and rank, who passed Afghanistan, noticed that the ammunition is not infinite

                    It would be necessary to dismiss such a "veteran". He himself does not know the service, and does not give service to others.
                  7. saygon66
                    saygon66 17 September 2015 01: 15 New
                    +1
                    -So! If I understand correctly, an automatic weapon (AK in particular) is designed to create maximum density of fire, and accuracy is secondary here?
                  8. turk
                    turk 17 September 2015 09: 57 New
                    -5
                    Quote: saygon66
                    automatic weapons (AK in particular) are designed to create maximum density of fire, and accuracy is secondary here?

                    You absolutely understand. Defeat of the target (as they say in textbooks, but in fact it is more correct to write, hitting the target) is ensured by quantity, not quality. Therefore, devices that improve quality are inappropriate here. This is a "saddle for a cow," I already wrote about this.
                    If someone wants to shoot from AK single and for sure, then let him use it. But this is not an army, the army does not need it. She has another weapon for accurate single fire.
                  9. saygon66
                    saygon66 17 September 2015 11: 13 New
                    +3
                    - The indignant mind boiled ... There were even more questions ...
                    - AK - a perfect weapon that can not be improved in anything?
                    - AK - obsolete weapons that can not be improved in anything?
                    - M16 - an excellent weapon that has continuously improved since its inception, but nevertheless, is under threat of replacement (NK416, FN SKAR)?
                    - smile Excuse me, but you vividly reminded my relative, a military pensioner, with whom we somehow quarreled to death because of soldiers wearing knitted hats (a la balaco mantis), my grandfather almost earned a stroke, defending the statutory three ...
                  10. turk
                    turk 17 September 2015 11: 24 New
                    -6
                    Quote: saygon66
                    An indignant mind boiled ...

                    You are not "boiling the mind." You try to understand what they write to you. Then the conclusions that you indicate will not be.
                    Quote: saygon66
                    endangered replacement (NK416, FN SKAR)

                    You do not understand the point. It does not matter if M16A (2-?) Is replaced by NK416 or not. This is not of great and fundamental importance. Ballistics and ammunition will remain the same. This is the main thing.
                  11. Svateev
                    Svateev 17 September 2015 17: 17 New
                    +1
                    Quote: turk
                    It does not matter if M16 (2-?) Is replaced by NK416 or not. This is not of great and fundamental importance. Ballistics and ammunition will remain the same.

                    Replacing the barrel will not change the ballistics of ammunition ?! This is something new in ballistics!
                    RPK74 is not familiar with the “turk” and therefore the same cartridge as the AK74 shoots with a different initial bullet speed and, accordingly, different external ballistics!
                  12. Svateev
                    Svateev 17 September 2015 17: 17 New
                    0
                    Quote: turk
                    It does not matter if M16 (2-?) Is replaced by NK416 or not. This is not of great and fundamental importance. Ballistics and ammunition will remain the same.

                    Replacing the barrel will not change the ballistics of ammunition ?! This is something new in ballistics!
                    RPK74 is not familiar with the “turk” and therefore the same cartridge as the AK74 shoots with a different initial bullet speed and, accordingly, different external ballistics!
                  13. saygon66
                    saygon66 17 September 2015 18: 07 New
                    0
                    - Good! Let the M-family is a wonderful weapon ... But, thanks to what it became so? Stoner's weapons genius has seen the centuries? Nooo! Because the M-ki manufacturers quickly responded to user requests, even experimented with outright crap (such as an under-barrel shotgun). But we all had one answer: "Not required!" In red pencil, in the upper right corner ... That's why our weapons stopped developing ... and the AK as it is, and if such a trifle as a “body kit” causes rejection, what can we say about changing the caliber or cartridge ... Big bosses always knew how to shoot ... even if they often "shoot a helmet" to the secretary than in the field ...
              2. Svateev
                Svateev 17 September 2015 17: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: turk
                Defeat the target (as they say in textbooks, but it’s actually more correct to write, hitting the target)

                If "turk" had read at least one textbook, he would have known that the textbooks have both "hit probability" and "probability of defeat" - two slightly different indicators.
                Quote: turk
                quantity is provided, not quality. Therefore, devices that improve quality are inappropriate here.

                Bullshit! The quality of aiming, that is, the accuracy of combining the midpoint with the center of the target, and the quality of the weapon + cartridge system decreases the number of cartridges required to hit the target. Ideally, quality reduces the quantity to an 1 shot. Therefore, high-quality sights, weapons and ammunition are needed everywhere, in the army, first of all.
                And "turk" is an outspoken "intruder." angry
      4. dvina71
        dvina71 17 September 2015 01: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: turk
        You do not understand the point. But she is simple. The defeat of the enemy with army automatic weapons, as laid down in his philosophy and design, occurs in line


        Afiget .. what nonsense .. you excuse me .. The target is hit by a bullet .. Bursts of fire to create a density of fire.
        There are statistics .. During the 2nd World War, 20.000 was spent on hitting one target !!! cartridges. Despite the fact that the main weapon was not automatic then.
      5. turk
        turk 17 September 2015 10: 05 New
        -5
        Quote: dvina71
        Bursts of fire to create a density of fire.

        I’m embarrassed to ask, why is this very "density of fire" created?
        Quote: dvina71
        In times of the 2nd world, 20.000 was spent on defeating one target !!! cartridges.

        What did you mean by that?
      6. dvina71
        dvina71 17 September 2015 20: 44 New
        0
        Quote: turk
        I’m embarrassed to ask, why is this very "density of fire" created?

        And don’t be shy .. and if you don’t know something, ask.
        I’m reading your comments ... such a cartridge, not like that ... When the bullets whistle around you, it will not matter to you which barrel they flew from .., in 41 they were pistol ... which terrified the Red Army soldiers ..., although very often they flew to them already at the end ... and couldn’t do much harm .. But it was so scary that the soldiers were in the trenches and waited for them to be crushed by tanks.
        I tried a number of events to solve this problem ..
  6. alecsis69
    alecsis69 17 September 2015 10: 20 New
    +2
    The defeat of the enemy by army automatic weapons occurs short burst, 2 - 3 rounds. A fan is fired only with a fright, or in order to scare the enemy and win 1,5 - 2 seconds in order to get out of an open place, and only then start to fight thoughtfully.
    You turk actually in conventional Army served?
  7. turk
    turk 17 September 2015 11: 04 New
    -6
    Quote: alecsis69
    short burst

    A short queue, is this not a queue? Is this a "series of single shots"?
    Quote: alecsis69
    You turk actually served in the regular army?

    Served and for many years. And what does it matter?
  8. alecsis69
    alecsis69 17 September 2015 15: 05 New
    +2
    Well, if for many years, then I’ll explain. A short burst of 2 - 3 shots falls quite heaped, designed for sighting fire, and increases the probability of hitting compared to a single shot slightly. Most likely, if you didn’t get solitary, then you won’t get a short burst. But if you hit, then the probability defeats short burst will be higher.
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  10. deduly1957
    deduly1957 19 September 2015 01: 18 New
    0
    they served in a household plow in a pigsty, and apart from a shovel and a chopper, I saw nothing.
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  12. Svateev
    Svateev 17 September 2015 16: 58 New
    0
    Quote: turk
    Devices for accurate single shooting such weapons are not needed in principle.

    "Devices for precise shooting" (in Russian this is called sights, "turk") are not divided into sights for single shooting and sights for firing bursts. Sights are accurate and not very. The more accurate the sight, the better for any weapon, including an assault rifle in the army.
    I hope you understand in enough detail?
  13. Svateev
    Svateev 17 September 2015 16: 58 New
    0
    Quote: turk
    Devices for accurate single shooting such weapons are not needed in principle.

    "Devices for precise shooting" (in Russian this is called sights, "turk") are not divided into sights for single shooting and sights for firing bursts. Sights are accurate and not very. The more accurate the sight, the better for any weapon, including an assault rifle in the army.
    I hope you understand in enough detail?
  14. Svateev
    Svateev 17 September 2015 16: 48 New
    0
    Quote: turk
    Quote: saygon66It seems to me that any "lotion" that enhances the usability of the "tool" has the right to be.
    Special Forces. Intelligence services. The hunters. These, for God's sake. But this is not an army. The army does not need this.

    What time! The army does not need anything, which increases the usability of the machine! Here is your whole essence of "turk" and appeared!
  15. Svateev
    Svateev 17 September 2015 16: 48 New
    0
    Quote: turk
    Quote: saygon66It seems to me that any "lotion" that enhances the usability of the "tool" has the right to be.
    Special Forces. Intelligence services. The hunters. These, for God's sake. But this is not an army. The army does not need this.

    What time! The army does not need anything, which increases the usability of the machine! Here is your whole essence of "turk" and appeared!
  16. Svateev
    Svateev 17 September 2015 16: 42 New
    0
    Quote: turk
    The weapon for this is done automatically. In order not to require great accuracy from him.

    Another nonsense.
    The weapon is made automatic in order to increase the density of fire. But for automatic weapons, the more accurate the better: the probability of hitting is higher. Therefore, it is necessary to demand accuracy from automatic weapons, VERY NECESSARY.
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  • proletarian
    proletarian 15 September 2015 22: 29 New
    +2
    In principle, it’s not difficult to retrain, the main thing is to overcome the “craving” in yourself to aim, given that the collimator does not increase the object, you just need to point the mark at the target (it is advisable to practice keeping the mark in the center of the lens) all because of the “damned” parallax.
  • proletarian
    proletarian 15 September 2015 22: 23 New
    +3
    A cow needs a saddle so that she considers herself a horse, and the "body kit" for AK is necessary for the convenience of use by military personnel (after all, all people are different: arms, shoulders, neck, head) the effectiveness of using weapons depends on all these structural features of the human body, although I personally consider such a number of Weaver slats redundant.
    1. turk
      turk 15 September 2015 22: 26 New
      -24
      Quote: proletarian
      and "body kit" for AK is necessary for ease of use by military personnel

      Planning to equip them with all military personnel? What shisha, if not secret?
  • ydjin
    ydjin 16 September 2015 03: 35 New
    +12
    Quote: turk
    Quote: Homo
    Collimator sight provides very high aiming speed

    You do not understand the question? Then I rephrase why a cow needs a saddle?

    turk, come out the troll! Baba Yaga is against me! I respect the opinions of others, but not in the case when the opponent no matter what to say, if only against. It’s just mental prostitution on your part!
    1. turk
      turk 16 September 2015 19: 06 New
      -5
      Quote: ydjin
      It’s just mental prostitution on your part!

      Well, judge everyone by yourself.
      1. ydjin
        ydjin 17 September 2015 02: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: turk
        Quote: ydjin
        It’s just mental prostitution on your part!

        Well, judge everyone by yourself.

        Your answer is in style, D.U.R.A.K. himself! Believe me, looking from the side, you are a miserable sight. negative
        1. turk
          turk 17 September 2015 10: 08 New
          -6
          Quote: ydjin
          looking from the side, you are a miserable sight

          Why did you decide that your opinion in this life interests anyone at all? I’m not writing my opinion about you and other users. So you better be silent in a rag. They would look smarter.
  • Svateev
    Svateev 16 September 2015 09: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: turk
    You do not understand the question?

    This "you" did not understand the answer!
    Modern collimator sights are in principle less accurate than even the AK74 mechanical sector sight. Because they have only ONE aiming mark and therefore they need to be shot with only a direct shot. A direct shot is much faster to fire, but it is less accurate.
    1. turk
      turk 16 September 2015 19: 08 New
      -4
      Quote: Svateev
      A direct shot is much faster to fire, but less accurate

      Did you understand what you wrote?
      1. Svateev
        Svateev 17 September 2015 17: 46 New
        0
        Quote: turk
        Quote: SvateevDirect shot is much faster to fire, but it is less accurate
        Did you understand what you wrote?

        And what is incomprehensible for a Turk who has served in the army for a long time? Any employee knows that a direct shot is therefore recommended, that it is much faster to fire - you do not need to determine the distance to the target and set the corresponding sight (sight mark). Time to prepare a shot is saved.
        Or should a Turk be explained, which means "less accurate"?
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  • Assistant
    Assistant 16 September 2015 22: 35 New
    0
    You do not understand the question? Then I rephrase why a cow needs a saddle?


    Then, to ceteris paribus, to fire faster, in which the bullet hits the enemy, and not just fly in his direction.
    1. turk
      turk 16 September 2015 22: 44 New
      -5
      Quote: Assistant
      in which the bullet hits the enemy

      This is already incorporated into the design of automatic weapons. A bullet will hit the enemy. The task of hitting him with a single shot is not set for automatic weapons.
      Excess is a thing for army weapons. Superfluous show-offs. Absolutely no effect on the performance characteristics of weapons. Money, apparently, is very necessary. That "upgrade".
      1. Svateev
        Svateev 17 September 2015 17: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: turk
        This is already incorporated into the design of automatic weapons. A bullet will hit the enemy.

        It’s even interesting - stupidity after stupidity as from a cornucopia!
        Quote: turk
        The task of hitting him with a single shot is not set for automatic weapons.

        But it’s the turn to hit ?! And without a good sight, the machine gunner doesn’t fall in line, no one — neither short nor long.
        Quote: turk
        Superfluous show-offs. Absolutely no effect on the performance characteristics of weapons.

        TTX weapons are heavily dependent on the sight. Those performance characteristics of machines that are indicated in the Manuals and Guides are performance characteristics with a sectoral focus. And we attach a collimator to the machine - we get other performance characteristics in terms of the probability of hitting and the recommended methods of shooting.
      2. Svateev
        Svateev 17 September 2015 17: 58 New
        0
        Quote: turk
        This is already incorporated into the design of automatic weapons. A bullet will hit the enemy.

        It’s even interesting - stupidity after stupidity as from a cornucopia!
        Quote: turk
        The task of hitting him with a single shot is not set for automatic weapons.

        But it’s the turn to hit ?! And without a good sight, the machine gunner doesn’t fall in line, no one — neither short nor long.
        Quote: turk
        Superfluous show-offs. Absolutely no effect on the performance characteristics of weapons.

        TTX weapons are heavily dependent on the sight. Those performance characteristics of machines that are indicated in the Manuals and Guides are performance characteristics with a sectoral focus. And we attach a collimator to the machine - we get other performance characteristics in terms of the probability of hitting and the recommended methods of shooting.
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  • proletarian
    proletarian 15 September 2015 22: 16 New
    +4
    Yes, it does. Only at a distance of about 100 meters, then parallax affects i.e. deviation of the aiming mark from the direction of the bullet’s flight (I don’t take into account the very expensive collimators, since they will not be too expensive to supply them to the troops), and even up to one hundred meters the aiming speed and accuracy are doubled (on average).
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 15 September 2015 21: 45 New
    +11
    Quote: turk
    Why AK collimator? To hunt for protein? In the eye to beat?

    In the ass! Did the collimator ever see when? laughing
    1. turk
      turk 15 September 2015 21: 55 New
      -25
      Quote: Bayonet
      Did the collimator ever see when?

      Not. I am dark.
      The word "ballistics" at least tore off when?
      1. Mikhail Zubarev
        Mikhail Zubarev 16 September 2015 00: 01 New
        +11
        It was not worth bragging about your imaginary knowledge of weapons. You correctly said you are dark. You want to say that AK has bad ballistics? Or is it still a bullet? Well, let me tell you how the trajectory of a bullet changes at a distance of 300 meters and the relationship of this deviation and the collimator-standard aiming? And then you are carrying here a heresy about not the ability of our MO supposedly to buy these body kits. Yes, and your praise of M16 touches me. I watched a similar stupidity by the discovery, there are the same “experts” like you compared AKM and M4.
        1. turk
          turk 16 September 2015 19: 12 New
          -7
          Quote: Mikhail Zubarev
          how the bullet trajectory changes at a distance of 300 meters

          The fact of the matter is that "craftiness." The norm for army small arms are 400 meters. But not one of the AKs falls short of this norm. Therefore, everyone likes to talk about 300 meters. Like, cunning ones.
          Quote: Mikhail Zubarev
          And then you are carrying here a heresy about not the ability of our MO supposedly to buy these body kits.

          Wow. I know a lot of new things from you.
          Quote: Mikhail Zubarev
          Yes, and your praise of M16 touches me. I watched a similar stupidity on discovery

          Now the source of your "knowledge" is clear. My condolences.
          1. Svateev
            Svateev 17 September 2015 18: 27 New
            0
            Quote: turk
            The norm for army small arms is 400 meters. But not one of the AKs falls short of this norm.

            Who set this "norm" and in what document? And what does it mean "do not reach"? But I guarantee you that the machine can easily “reach” 1km, and it’s better not to check it - it will strike right through! wassat
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      2. brutal true
        brutal true 16 September 2015 01: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: turk
        The word "ballistics" at least tore off when?

        Did you hear that word ballistics yourself? So far, apart from unfounded allegations, I have not heard anything from you. The AK platform is no worse than the M-16. There is already a matter of personal preference. But I think that you have no preferences in weapons, because you are most likely a schoolboy. laughing
        Listen to what knowledgeable uncles say:
        1. turk
          turk 16 September 2015 19: 18 New
          -6
          Quote: brutal true
          The AK platform is no worse than the M-16. There is already a matter of personal preference.

          But nothing that DE M16A2 1738 J, and DE AK-74 1385 J? Some difference, I hope you noticed? Do you think this is just such an accident?
          Quote: brutal true
          Listen to what knowledgeable uncles say:

          And where are you there "knowledgeable uncles" noticed? Knowledgeable guys in the laboratories are sitting. At the computers. Very often with large bellies and glasses. And quietly do their job. And this is a kid. Their opinion does not interest anyone at all. Except the same kid.
          1. Svateev
            Svateev 17 September 2015 18: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: turk
            But nothing that DE M16A2 1738 J, and DE AK-74 1385 J?

            I will not even check the accuracy of these numbers. Because muzzle energy, for example, PCs are known to have more than M16A2. And what follows from this? What should Americans rearm from M16A2 to PC? Tell them, Turks, otherwise they are stupid - they are re-arming on M4, which has less DE than M16A2.
            Do not suck conclusions from one indicator, Turks! Look comprehensively!
  • Ile ham
    Ile ham 16 September 2015 00: 09 New
    +3
    Well, how do you not understand? With a collimator sight, the shooter becomes a ZENITCHIK !!!
    1. turk
      turk 16 September 2015 19: 23 New
      -5
      Quote: Ile Ham
      With a collimator sight, the shooter becomes a ZENITCHO

      The anti-aircraft gun is good with the anti-aircraft gun. Anti-aircraft gun with a gun, bad. Each cricket should have its own hearth.
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  • BIGLESHIY
    BIGLESHIY 16 September 2015 15: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: turk
    Quote: Altona
    If there is a collimator, yes

    Why AK collimator? To hunt for protein? In the eye to beat?

    On people like you hunting
    1. turk
      turk 16 September 2015 19: 25 New
      -4
      Quote: BIGLESHIY
      On people like you hunting

      Are you so witty? Did you learn this somewhere? Or is it by nature?
  • Absurdidat
    Absurdidat 16 September 2015 15: 33 New
    +1
    The collimator "beat in the eye", damn well, and the same oslopopolam, huh? ))))
    1. turk
      turk 16 September 2015 19: 26 New
      -5
      Quote: Absurdidat
      The collimator "beat in the eye", damn well, and the same oslopopolam, huh?

      Follow you. And buy a book for yourself. With Russian figurative expressions. And you don’t know them.
      1. Svateev
        Svateev 17 September 2015 19: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Absurdidat
        The collimator "beat in the eye", damn well, and the same oslopopolam, huh?
        Quote: turk
        buy a book for yourself. With Russian figurative expressions. And you don’t know them.

        Turk, I explain to you: "Absurdidad" himself came up with a word to call you! This is permitted by the rules of the "great and mighty." You cannot find this word in a book. Agree, the word is funny! And reflects your essence quite accurately. laughing
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  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 15 September 2015 18: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Vladimirets
    But what, directly the picatinny strip itself increases efficiency by 1,5 times?


    Eugene, so also a tactical flashlight.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 15 September 2015 18: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      so also a tactical flashlight.

      Ahhh, at 300m it is of course. laughing
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 15 September 2015 19: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Ahhh, at 300m it is of course.


        Yes, Evgeny, for 300 meters, of course, 1.5 growth of efficiency will not. Well then, up to 300 meters - a flashlight, and after 300 - a front handle. Here you have again 1.5 growth.
    2. proletarian
      proletarian 15 September 2015 22: 35 New
      +1
      And it’s true that aiming at the lantern and the bar, well, direct automatic "shotgun" of the tenth caliber.
  • tracer
    tracer 16 September 2015 02: 11 New
    +3
    I think if a sticker which hangs with the inscription "increases accuracy" then accuracy will increase many times over.
    I still can’t understand how the receiver cover is attached to the receiver. If in the same way as in the original "on the back button" you need to put the designers of this "upgrade" in a corner. Because the receiver cover in the original vibrates a lot when fired and shots. And about any opportunity to put optics on it (and any) and there can be no question.
  • dr.Bo
    dr.Bo 15 September 2015 17: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Roman1970
    The kit is installed in 15-20 minutes on any AK, which is in service with Russian security forces.

    But I wonder if the weight increases or not?
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 15 September 2015 17: 32 New
      0
      If the cover of the receiver is stamped, then it decreases. All this plastic is lighter than plywood.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 15 September 2015 17: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: Fibrizio
        All this plastic is lighter than plywood.

        Are you so thinly hinting that the new body kit is not metal? Something I doubt very much!
    2. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 15 September 2015 17: 32 New
      0
      If the cover of the receiver is stamped, then it decreases. All this plastic is lighter than plywood.
  • War and Peace
    War and Peace 15 September 2015 17: 56 New
    +5
    The kit is installed in 15-20 minutes on any AK, which is in service with Russian security forces.


    Well, probably not any, for example ak74, how to remove the old butt? the butt on the rivets, you need to drill, lock up, and you can sport the atom, then to wrap the flame absorber-compensator, there must be a thread, but again it is not on all AKs, but the AKshnaya cover is just a stamping-thin-walled and the seat is also under it, and to fix a new cover with a Piccadilly-Crocodile strap, you need to make it stronger i.e. from thicker iron, that’s the question, how to fix it? But if you leave the old lid with a new strap, the nicodels will stagger in turn, so there will be no question of any increase in accuracy. Then a complete replacement of the forearm, yes. My opinion will not be of any use from this Art Nouveau - it’s better to wait for AK12 ...
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 15 September 2015 18: 52 New
    0
    That is, the modernization mechanism does not concern the firing mechanism at all? what So this "kit" for beauty and ergonomics. The accuracy of what suddenly increased so dramatically?
  • Kent0001
    Kent0001 15 September 2015 19: 50 New
    +2
    This is our advantage over everyone else: lack of money + ingenuity = good result. And this is not the first time!
    1. turk
      turk 15 September 2015 19: 54 New
      -17
      Quote: Kent0001
      This is our advantage over everyone else: lack of money + ingenuity = good result. And this is not the first time!

      Yeah Just decided to stretch your fingers?
      1. family tree
        family tree 15 September 2015 20: 30 New
        +2
        No, I’m probably the cartridges for this weight and this money, even give up, they will be more useful what
      2. skifd
        skifd 15 September 2015 23: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: turk
        Yeah Just decided to stretch your fingers?


        So, along the way, it’s you, sir, apparently on the key from boredom ...
        Okay, the people we have at VO are mostly patient, but polite ..
        1. turk
          turk 16 September 2015 19: 28 New
          -4
          Quote: skifd
          Okay, the people we have at VO are mostly patient, but polite ..

          And this is good. The bad thing is that with competence, mostly, with rare exceptions, the bad. And with curiosity, so in general, a complete blockage.
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  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 15 September 2015 21: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Roman1970
    Well, I think, not bad, and not very expensive.

    there is one sight under $ 1 ...
  • kuz363
    kuz363 16 September 2015 05: 42 New
    +1
    Much cheaper than AK-12. Especially when you consider how many millions of machines are stored in warehouses! And they can be put up for sale.
    1. VEKT
      VEKT 18 September 2015 16: 54 New
      0
      But who will buy?
  • shershen
    shershen 16 September 2015 10: 27 New
    0
    The lantern only unmasks.
    The back of the M16?
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 16 September 2015 21: 50 New
      +1
      And yet, no matter how you upgrade, the main thing is not to cancel - Kalash has long been outdated both morally and technically. In service with Russia is the oldest of all currently used machine guns. It’s the same as if armed with the main rifle in Germany and now stood the G3. Absurdity, right? But in Russia this is very close. A real solution would be a complete and immediate transition to the excellent Tula automatic A-91M.
  • kagorta
    kagorta 15 September 2015 16: 59 New
    +2
    Wiser, less than ten years have passed laughing What are the damned capitalists doing to the plant? Is there anyone from Izhevsk here?
    1. WKS
      WKS 15 September 2015 17: 04 New
      0
      With such a friend you can go anywhere.
    2. bunta
      bunta 15 September 2015 19: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: kagorta
      Is there anyone from Izhevsk here?


      There is. Only the damned capitalists knocked out the last thinking designers and gunsmiths. Now athletes and advisers are engaged in the development. Forget it. At least years on 5.
      1. turk
        turk 15 September 2015 20: 13 New
        -23
        Quote: bunta
        Only the damned capitalists knocked out the last thinking designers and gunsmiths.

        I would like to know something more about the products of "thinking designers and gunsmiths"?
        1. ultra
          ultra 15 September 2015 22: 27 New
          +5
          Quote: turk
          "thinking designers and gunsmiths"?

          Is this your form of masochism? laughing
          1. turk
            turk 15 September 2015 22: 37 New
            -16
            Quote: ultra
            Is this your form of masochism?

            No, I'm just a little aware of the real value of "Soviet, the world's best small arms." Therefore, I am kidding on those who seriously want to somehow and justify it with something.
            Nothing to justify IMPOSSIBLE. How much a cow does not attach a saddle, she will not become a horse. If Russia wants to get high-quality weapons, something needs to be done. with cartridge. Well, here are the "tough guys from the domestic design bureau" 40 years ago. Not very much, but they were mistaken. And now we need to do something. And without it there will be one more little thing. But with a flashlight on the side.
            Not very bad, by the way, fart. But to a normal level (M16A2) far away.
            1. bunta
              bunta 15 September 2015 23: 01 New
              +7
              Quote: turk
              Well, here are the “tough guys from domestic design bureau" 40 years ago

              40 years ago, the guys did their job perfectly.
              Quote: turk
              But to a normal level (M16A2) is far.

              Oh do not tell.
              Quote: turk
              need to do something with the cartridge

              Here in this you are absolutely right. In the Russian military-design school, weapons are developed with a cartridge. But only if the military decides to switch to the Grendel type, the weapon for him will still remain Kalash.
              1. turk
                turk 15 September 2015 23: 12 New
                -16
                Quote: bunta
                40 years ago, the guys did their job perfectly.

                Are you joking? Apparently, yes. The guys made a mistake with the cartridge. And this is the main trouble of the AK-74.
                Quote: bunta
                Oh do not tell.

                I am completely serious. And global arms markets, too. After all, they evaluate M16 more expensive. Never thought why so?
                Quote: bunta
                if the military decides to switch to the Grendel type,

                If the designers decide to switch to Grendal, I will be the first to vote for the abolition of the death penalty for pests. How much can you bring as an example Barrett REC7?
                1. Svateev
                  Svateev 17 September 2015 19: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: turk
                  And global arms markets, too. After all, they evaluate M16 more expensive. Never thought why so?

                  Imagine thinking! And even discussed on this site. This is only for the Turk, this question is news.
                  There is no free arms market. Weapons are purchased only from friendly countries against unfriendly ones. A NATO country will never buy Russian weapons, not because they are worse, but because Russian weapons do not meet NATO "standards". Well, when the seller is almost alone - then what happens with the price? Do you understand or should this be explained?
                2. Svateev
                  Svateev 17 September 2015 19: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: turk
                  And global arms markets, too. After all, they evaluate M16 more expensive. Never thought why so?

                  Imagine thinking! And even discussed on this site. This is only for the Turk, this question is news.
                  There is no free arms market. Weapons are purchased only from friendly countries against unfriendly ones. A NATO country will never buy Russian weapons, not because they are worse, but because Russian weapons do not meet NATO "standards". Well, when the seller is almost alone - then what happens with the price? Do you understand or should this be explained?
            2. kot stepan
              kot stepan 15 September 2015 23: 09 New
              +12
              For the connoisseur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZYe5Sal1L0&list=WL
              Who of the officials (USA) called the M-4 a national disgrace and after what events? Tell me, what caused such a reaction. And, maybe you haven’t heard about this scandal? Now, I really won’t believe that such an experienced person is aloof from such events.
              And, perhaps, your opinion will be curious by the American PMCs, carrying out and carrying out missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, entirely hung with options for AK and PC. And the Iraqi army - no matter how they imposed the M-16 - preferred AK.
              1. turk
                turk 15 September 2015 23: 16 New
                -17
                Quote: kot stepan
                fulfilling and fulfilling missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, all hung with options for AK and PC.

                Do not fantasize. It's one thing to pose with trophies, and another thing is to go into battle. The hunter does not go hunting with the head of a deer; he takes a rifle there.
                Quote: kot stepan
                And the Iraqi army - no matter how they imposed the M-16 - preferred AK.

                Price. They can't imagine it. TODAY let it. Expensive.
                1. kot stepan
                  kot stepan 16 September 2015 00: 09 New
                  +4
                  Price?! And the "Abrams", then, can? Yes, AK is many times more expensive than the M-16 or SCAR! Take an interest in the price of FN contracts, for example, for the US Defense Ministry. And how much did the M-4 cost for Israel? Well, if, only absolutely shabby manufacturers of AK ... Then the price is low, but the quality is appropriate.
                  Yes, of course, American PMCs are often armed with “their own” tuned weapons. But, there are so many videos where PMCs say, thank God they say that we have the opportunity to choose our trunks (while posing with AK or PC).
                  1. turk
                    turk 16 September 2015 19: 32 New
                    -6
                    Quote: kot stepan
                    Yes, AK is several times more expensive than the M-16 or SCAR

                    Do not make up "news."
                    Quote: kot stepan
                    But, there are so many videos where PMCs say, thank God they say that we have the opportunity to choose our trunks (while posing with AK or PC).

                    And why should they listen to their opinion? Who are they? What do they understand in weapons? This is the grassroots level. "Meat," simply put. They are not supposed to understand this by post.
                    1. kot stepan
                      kot stepan 16 September 2015 23: 48 New
                      +1
                      They really value their life and very, very well, are well versed with which trunks it is better to do. You are honestly amazing. Everything is in the public domain. How many to whom for what price and on what conditions trunks are sold. Take an interest in producer prices and contract terms, not store price tags.
                      So, how much does one AK (something from the hundredth series) cost the Russian treasury?
                      How much does the SCAR cost the treasury of the States? What about Colombia?
                      And Israel M-4?
                      Have you compared?
                2. Svateev
                  Svateev 16 September 2015 10: 05 New
                  +3
                  Quote: turk
                  Price. They can't afford it TODAY. Expensive.

                  You, my dear, are at odds with the facts. And the facts are as follows: Kalashnikov lost the Vietnamese tender because of the price - it turned out to be more expensive than the competitor (Israeli Kalashnikov upgrade). So now, if they choose Kalashnikov, then certainly not because of the low price, but for the well-deserved glory of reliable weapons.
                  1. turk
                    turk 16 September 2015 19: 33 New
                    -6
                    Quote: Svateev
                    Kalashnikov lost the Vietnamese tender because of the price - it turned out to be more expensive than the competitor (Israeli Kalashnikov upgrade)

                    Do you understand Russian? What did I write about, could you understand?
                    1. Svateev
                      Svateev 17 September 2015 19: 02 New
                      +2
                      Quote: turk
                      What did I write about, could you understand?

                      You wrote that they buy Kalashnikov because they cannot buy more expensive weapons, and Kalashnikov is cheap. Right? Right! I answered you that you are at odds with the facts - Kalashnikov lost the tender because it turned out to be more expensive than the competitor.
                      And what do you not understand here?
                      1. gross kaput
                        gross kaput 18 September 2015 10: 52 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Svateev
                        And the facts are as follows: Kalashnikov lost the Vietnamese tender because of the price - it turned out to be more expensive than the competitor (Israeli Kalashnikov upgrade)

                        And the facts are that you dear heard the ringing and didn’t understand where he was - the competition was not for the purchase of a batch of machines but about the CONSTRUCTION of a PLANT for their production with a full production cycle including those documentation, licenses and other - in these conditions we obviously had to lose because our machine tool industry ditched for a long time, the only thing that surprises in this situation is why the Chinese did not win? Jews offered more rollback?
                      2. Svateev
                        Svateev 18 September 2015 14: 36 New
                        0
                        Quote: gross kaput
                        under these conditions, we obviously had to lose

                        "Who are "we? I’m not hiding and publishing under my last name and under my - Russian - flag.
                        But who are you - under a nickname and under someone’s flag? Are you “we”?
                      3. gross kaput
                        gross kaput 18 September 2015 18: 25 New
                        0
                        quote = Svateev] Russian - flag. [/ quote]
                        only this is not your merit laughing VO when entering automatically by IP determines the country.
                        For the next curious, I explain - at work I get Internet access through a proxy server, unless of course you know what it is, so the flag in each connection can change arbitrarily.
                        PS Well, judging by the expression of the yearlings, you are a little younger from 17 to 25.
                    2. VEKT
                      VEKT 21 September 2015 13: 03 New
                      0
                      The Chinese could not win, since they are in contra with Vietnam.
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  • ssn18
    ssn18 15 September 2015 20: 28 New
    0
    Yes, and why?
  • A-Sim
    A-Sim 15 September 2015 17: 00 New
    +5
    Finally, they thought about the fighter. And then - take the paddle and step march.
    1. Havoc
      Havoc 15 September 2015 17: 04 New
      +8
      A respected paddle in the army, SVD is called.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 15 September 2015 17: 21 New
        +14
        Where how. Kalash with a wooden butt also bears the proud name "oar".
      2. ssn18
        ssn18 15 September 2015 20: 30 New
        +1
        Where the paddle, and where the whip.
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 15 September 2015 21: 01 New
          +4
          Quote: ssn18
          Where the paddle, and where the whip.

          Lash is one of the modifications of sniper rifles for the characteristic sound of a shot (without a silencer), like a lash. Who called Kalashnikov "whip"? His shot has nothing to do with the sounds of a lash.
          1. Rader
            Rader 15 September 2015 21: 36 New
            0
            People! And here I have a question: the article says about the "new belt", can anyone know what kind of belt it is? Maybe they decided to introduce the three-point to the masses?
    2. proletarian
      proletarian 15 September 2015 22: 40 New
      0
      And why didn’t the “oar” please you, that you “raked” the butt on the “scruff of the neck” when you fell asleep at the post?
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 15 September 2015 23: 44 New
        +6
        - smile Yes, everything would be fine ... but, with growth in 165cm, armed with a "paddle" with an attached bayonet you remind yourself of a Vietnamese partisan ...
  • veksha50
    veksha50 15 September 2015 17: 00 New
    +3
    Give-extend the next life to tested, reliable weapons ... We can only welcome ...
    1. proletarian
      proletarian 15 September 2015 22: 42 New
      0
      Maybe someone knows the saying: If you want to destroy the good, come up with an improvement.
  • pavelty
    pavelty 15 September 2015 17: 01 New
    +1
    Hmm, it’s kind of convenient, you need to look at how they will be applied in practice in units
  • made13
    made13 15 September 2015 17: 03 New
    +3
    It is a pity the snail is not offered instead of a horn.
    1. avt
      avt 15 September 2015 17: 18 New
      +11
      Quote: made13
      It is a pity the snail is not offered instead of a horn.

      What the hell! ??? This is also not the PKK for which it was made. Why on the machine then? To extinguish cartridges, pouring like from a watering can ??
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 15 September 2015 17: 23 New
        +13
        Quote: avt
        Why on the machine then? To extinguish cartridges, pouring like from a watering can ??

        And then, with sadness, look at the trunk with the colors of the runaway. smile
    2. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 15 September 2015 19: 16 New
      0
      The AK-12 has both a drum and two horns (95, 60 and 45 cartridges, respectively)
      1. bunta
        bunta 15 September 2015 19: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
        60


        Really?
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  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 15 September 2015 17: 04 New
    +4
    Oh, and Kalash will have to work for a long time, so the new bells and whistles are only at stake, he will definitely live for a hundred years, and maybe more.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 15 September 2015 17: 07 New
    +2
    telescopic butt, handle, flame arrester is great!
    Experts explain, because the bar on the receiver does not provide reliable mounting of sights (the sight goes astray after a couple of shots) or is it not ???
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 15 September 2015 17: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: JonnyT
      Experts explain, because the bar on the receiver does not provide reliable mounting of sights (the sight goes astray after a couple of shots) or is it not ???

      There, it seems, is not a standard cover, but a reinforced one:
      machine received upgraded stock and receiver cover, modern receiver pad and forend on which are located integrated picatinny rail (special brackets for mounting sights and various accessories)
      What is meant by “modernization” in this case is unclear.

      But as an example we can cite the “covers with a bar” sold now, which have turned from stamped to milled and acquired as many as 5 attachment points:

      The cover of the B-33 receiver is a milled product made of aluminum alloy D16T with a black coating, mounted on the B-10M or B-30 forend using five screws (four screws form the four points of support of the B-33 cover bracket on the forend and one the screw forms an additional (fifth) fulcrum, fixing the bracket for the B-33 cover on the receiver) and forms a Picatinny rail 170 mm long. above the receiver of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, which does not overlap the line of sight when using standard mechanical sights.
      1. Fibrizio
        Fibrizio 15 September 2015 17: 30 New
        +1
        So he will have difficulties with cleaning. If it is completely rigidly fixed, this is not suitable for the army.
      2. Fibrizio
        Fibrizio 15 September 2015 17: 31 New
        0
        So he will have difficulties with cleaning. If it is completely rigidly fixed, this is not suitable for the army.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 15 September 2015 17: 38 New
          +4
          Quote: Fibrizio
          So he will have difficulties with cleaning. If it is completely rigidly fixed, this is not suitable for the army.

          So ... it's the same kit for existing AKs. That is - without changing the design of the receiver itself. So, only one of two things is possible: either the stiffness of the cover, or the convenience of assembly / disassembly.

          Nefig pencil cases lose. smile
          1. Fibrizio
            Fibrizio 15 September 2015 17: 42 New
            0
            Yes, there can be no rigid fixation such that the entire lid fits on the hexagon to the vent pipe. There is a more rational solution: no one touches the lid, and a strap is attached on top, which is fixed tightly to the gas pipe. Is it possible.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 15 September 2015 17: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: Fibrizio
              a strap is attached on top, which is tightly fixed to the gas pipe.

              Yeah .. which tube is also removable, no? wink

              "What's the difference?" (c) "Brother"
              1. Fibrizio
                Fibrizio 15 September 2015 18: 12 New
                +1
                Here I’m probably not quite right, I just don’t know the name of the part of the machine on which the latch of the gas tube is located, in fact, they are attached to it.
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 15 September 2015 19: 10 New
                  0
                  - A block of sight ... or "rear sight block" - to whom it is more convenient ... smile
                2. saygon66
                  saygon66 15 September 2015 19: 10 New
                  0
                  - A block of sight ... or "rear sight block" - to whom it is more convenient ... smile
          2. proletarian
            proletarian 15 September 2015 22: 49 New
            +1
            The problem is that when this cover is damaged, firing becomes very problematic (try to get a pencil case in battle, unscrew all the screws that secure the cover until you shoot the head off, and then fire without any sight).
        2. Kunar
          Kunar 16 September 2015 07: 22 New
          0
          And not hard-not suitable for aiming, unfortunately
  • Sobol
    Sobol 15 September 2015 17: 13 New
    +3
    But how, interestingly, they solved the issue with the receiver cover? It is not rigidly fixed, but here the sight is installed on it. Problems with accuracy will not be drawn?
    1. Kunar
      Kunar 16 September 2015 07: 48 New
      0
      Be sure to draw ..... The meaning of Picatini is lost
  • reut.sib
    reut.sib 15 September 2015 17: 14 New
    0
    All this is good, but when will it be in the military? Advertising is good for hucksters. We sell a lot abroad, but think for yourself why the client should buy upgraded junk if there is a product that is modern and out of competition (and this applies to the whole range of weapons). I understand money will catch our eyes, but we will never arm our army, everything modern with our potential opponents will turn against us.
  • prostofily
    prostofily 15 September 2015 17: 16 New
    0
    When women then
  • Albert1
    Albert1 15 September 2015 17: 20 New
    0
    I wonder how quickly this will reach the army ... and whether it will reach. And then the speed of re-equipment with us is already very slow. We only see the news - modernization, development, the latest technology ... and what's the point of them, the Kalash of the 49s barely left, and then they probably stayed somewhere.
  • Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 15 September 2015 17: 26 New
    +5
    I don’t understand what can be discussed here? They offered a domestic plastic kit. This kit on the Hansa as you want was and is. What is the innovation? Anyway, when people go to war, they themselves upgrade their weapons. What Chechnya GPS guys bought that Ukrainians finish their old AK.
    They need to upgrade the "Main parts of the weapon", which is impossible to buy for yourself.
    In short, purely my IMHO, this is all false innovation. And yet they give out as a serious achievement ....
  • Berthan
    Berthan 15 September 2015 17: 32 New
    0
    If they had come up with, as in the field ... Or rather ... Let's just say: "non-factory" conditions - the bolt handle, transplanted to the left ...
  • cte-power
    cte-power 15 September 2015 17: 34 New
    +3
    I didn’t understand - each time after removing the cover, shoot the sight?
    this is some kind of hat in my opinion. Receivers at the machine have a huge variation in size and sense, what is the milled lid? the receiver is not.
    maybe I'm wrong of course -
  • Massik
    Massik 15 September 2015 17: 36 New
    +4
    “Kalashnikov” developed a universal kit for the machine of the same name, the installation of which allows to improve the effectiveness of weapons in terms of “frequency of destruction” at a distance of up to 300 m “at any time of day and in various climatic conditions”
    You can not read further, but you look at the picture as much as fear takes. Of the useful only forend (lower part) and butt.
  • hoper21
    hoper21 15 September 2015 17: 42 New
    +1
    So ZENIT body kits have long been on the market, what did they not pay attention to them before?
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 15 September 2015 17: 45 New
    +2
    It is, of course, good, but slowly ... On my Saiga, such a butt has been installed for seven years. Even the Yugoslavs in their versions made the tactical handle directly at the factories unified with the forearm. And it’s not folding. Picatinny weaver is normal for imported optics, while ours and Belarus have different mounting principles (if without additional adapters). Conclusion: for whom is it done? For export? It’s no secret that we deliver civilian versions (Saiga called Kalashnikov). Trying to beat the market from the same Brazilians? Or the Chinese? But not for our army! Economically and strategically not profitable. So it turns out - ADVERTISEMENT !!!
    1. would
      would 16 September 2015 06: 59 New
      0
      Ikatini-weaver is normal for imported optics, while ours and Belarus have different mounting principles


      So, in fact, there is a course of refusing to attach a dovetail and switching to a picatinny weaver for obvious reasons.
  • Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 15 September 2015 17: 52 New
    +5
    The cover, in my opinion, is not a good option, no matter how they increase the backlash, I can (of course, be mistaken) in my opinion the best way is to use the quality bar fastens in place of a mechanical sight and is fixed with a bolt; . The sight will not work. It will work as with P.
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 15 September 2015 17: 58 New
    0
    It is not for nothing that the Kalashnikovs eat bread. Here, some have rolled up that such weapons will not enter the army, but will be exported. Yes, let it go for export, money is needed, but the whole army doesn’t need to be equipped with such machine guns, this is a specific weapon for mobile and special squads.
  • Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 15 September 2015 18: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Hedgehog
    Quote: Fibrizio
    All this plastic is lighter than plywood.

    Are you so thinly hinting that the new body kit is not metal? Something I doubt very much!


    And who will make you a butt of metal? Or a handle. About the forend and the overlay on the vent pipe are also big doubts.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 15 September 2015 18: 03 New
    0
    However, it’s expensive, especially since everything is not Russian. sad A sea of ​​options, right now I’m joking about the video.
  • MolGro
    MolGro 15 September 2015 18: 03 New
    +9
    Citizen Remember!
    After you disassemble and lubricate your AK.
    Do not forget to feed your hamster!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 15 September 2015 21: 57 New
      -2
      Quote: MolGro
      Citizen Remember!
      After you disassemble and lubricate your AK.
      Do not forget to feed your hamster!

      So is it necessary to laugh or what? recourse
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 15 September 2015 22: 36 New
        +1
        Clearly - subtle barracks humor ... Well, not everyone has been given ....
      2. proletarian
        proletarian 15 September 2015 22: 56 New
        0
        No, Alexander, just get yourself such a “hamster”, and let someone try to “neigh” the hamster over you, you can let it go for free feeding (after showing those who “laugh”).
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 15 September 2015 18: 11 New
    +2
    One option
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 15 September 2015 18: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Barracuda
      One option

      Here it muffles, the ear is directly opposite the bolt frame.
    2. avt
      avt 15 September 2015 20: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Barracuda
      One option

      I don’t understand - why do homemade AK from when there’s a loaf of A-91M tulips from which the ADS was made for the same specialists, but naval ones? Why is they inventing a fox in Podolsk? laughing , it’s just understandable - before, everything was pretty quickly done to order specialists, but now the number of “special forces” in each department is such that now it’s like, each for itself. ”Again, the selection of weapons is not based on the results of specific tests of an independent body , but from the one who sells his.
  • Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 15 September 2015 18: 19 New
    +1
    Well, if the price is reasonable, then. It was high time.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 15 September 2015 18: 19 New
    +4
    Quote: MolGro
    Do not forget to feed your hamster!

    A normal hamster has 15 cm claws. It can be stroked at night.
    I met once, did not crap, well, I think I broke the 100 meter record in the taiga. Like a bear ..
    Just from Tyumen 50 km for mushrooms. There are also moose left. Only a compass is needed with you. smile
  • bunta
    bunta 15 September 2015 18: 24 New
    0
    Unnecessary junk. Cut the budget money into the pocket of Krivoruchek and Kirisenok.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 15 September 2015 21: 58 New
      0
      Warrant Officer?
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 15 September 2015 18: 25 New
    +2
    It happens, and as in the photo below ... Cool? However, I’m reporting it all just pneumatic VL-12. Our Russian. And a huge Kalashnikov concern doesn’t need such an upgrade ... (photo from the manufacturer’s website).
  • Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 15 September 2015 18: 35 New
    +5
    At the Victory Parade with this kit marching, which are all inattentive. smile
  • zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 15 September 2015 18: 59 New
    +10
    Dear colleagues, My opinion is cool show-offs! Let's start with the picatinny rail in the entire box lid. In the first case, this design can hardly be stiff, so the accuracy will be proportional. The second question is, forgive the bolt for a bar of such a length? Does anyone with such a bar and screwed on with gadgets through the woods (along the chip-skier) making his way? I would like to look at these stowed berets))). Who shot with the collimator at night? Now we’ll return specifically to the bar on the lid or God forbid fixed instead of an open sight. How much sweat Does it take time and a tool to replace the same calimator with a night light or just switch to an open sight? Still, did the designers probably come up with a swallow for nothing? At the expense of tactical flashlights and tactical handles, everyone’s dumb (but I would look at the upcoming company at night, I won’t one who decides to highlight himself) Be simpler, but the impression is that there are some cool special forces gathered here who kick the terrorists out of the bunkers hourly
    1. bunta
      bunta 15 September 2015 19: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: zadorin1974
      How much time and tool will it take to replace the same calimator with a night light or just switch to an open sight?

      Not all is lost. There are others who think!
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 15 September 2015 19: 58 New
        0
        HOW I UNDERSTAND -You Andrey have something to do with Izhmash?
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 15 September 2015 20: 06 New
      0
      That's what I said! And not even a “flipper”, but a standard side mount. FOR OUR OPTICS.
    3. avt
      avt 15 September 2015 20: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: zadorin1974
      Dear colleagues. My opinion is cool show-offs!

      Quote: Marssik
      . Of the useful only forend (lower part) and butt.

      Butt - yes, forend, handle - and then keep the wazard of amateurs at the store, the pistol grip of a polovchik again a flame arrester / brake. The rest of the tinsel with trims ...... well, I don’t know. The collimator is good, but something like English can be an optic? But put it on a box ?? Well, I don’t know, all these mods are around the gun ....
      Quote: zadorin1974
      Has anyone with such a bar and bolted bells and whistles in the woods (along the chip skier) made his way?

      good
      Quote: zadorin1974
      ) Be easier-

      And the probable, friends, will reach you in the sight themselves. laughing Well, again, after regular training. And without it, with this flashlight you can shine in your mother’s mink, or highlight historical anala’s.
      Quote: zadorin1974
      I would look at the upcoming company at night - there will be more than one who decides to highlight himself)

      The most interesting thing is that this ,, regular "flashlight will be given out and there will definitely be a newly-born Rambo and not one brought up on usovskih action movies and will highlight! You won’t have to go for fools across the seas - there is enough here.
    4. saygon66
      saygon66 15 September 2015 20: 38 New
      +1
      - Yes, and you don’t especially run around the forest with NSPU at night, and I haven’t seen self-luminous nozzles for AK since 84 of the year ... like there aren’t any now ...
      1. Massik
        Massik 15 September 2015 21: 23 New
        +6
        Quote: saygon66
        Yes, and with NSPU you can’t especially run around the forest at night, and I haven’t seen self-luminous nozzles under AK since I was 84 ... it seems like there aren’t any now ...
        There are nozzles in the brick style, moreover, it is not so easy to put them on, so their landing is mediocre and firing 200 meters further is very problematic wassat I have not tried it with NSPU, but I ran with PKN 03, nothing complicated. Yes and to be honest the need at night, in the forest to run somewhere is extremely rare. Usually everyone is sitting in the trenches.
        I completely do not like the trims in the entire cover of the stk and on the gt overlay. We omit the rigidity of the structure. Well, we set a sights there, we are fighting well. Then there was a need to fall sharply, jump into a puddle, a pile of sand, rubble, rubble, etc. There are times when a machine with all the rest of the equipment is already on a ram and you couldn’t get a couple of extra holes. At this most beautiful moment, our sight was flooded with water, it was covered with mud, or it was generally broken by an inadvertently turned up piece of brick. Accordingly, we need to remove the failed device and put regular sighting devices in place. During this time, kayuk is quite possible not only to the owner of a sophisticated machine, but to the whole unit as a result.
        Therefore, I consider our side mount the best on AK machines. If you really want Western optics, no one bothers you to purchase a transitional crown, which does not interfere with the use of regular ones.
        I did not understand the meaning of the flame arrester and the pistol grip. 1st is no better than the regular one, it would be better if they introduced ATG for everyone. 2nd with this form will require back pads for each specific arm. Without them, the grip of the machine will be worse for some than with the standard one.
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 15 September 2015 21: 57 New
          +1
          - With such slats you can use folding rear sights and scope ... there are options when you can use them even through a broken collimator ... any optics - a fragile thing, any smile and this sample has a “dovetail” completely absent ... FAB defens makes such handles and also IMI like - well, not without a commercial price, of course - onlays for the price of the main handle
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        3. tracer
          tracer 16 September 2015 07: 04 New
          +1
          I agree with you all millions of percent. To remove a mechanical sight from military weapons is a crime. Red pillboxes .. quickly aim and shoot faster. Yes, there is no doubt in the shooting range, but you imagine a brigade of paratroopers abandoned behind enemy lines at the right time ... and? Who will change the batteries? Who will regularly carry thousands of batteries? Sights with a built-in "nuclear reactor" can be done according to the example of Akog, but in general they "sound" with radioactivity ... Yes, of course they are absolutely "safe in operation" as well as Abramsov’s armor reinforced with uranium. Even blacks tankers complain about potency after wheelchairs on this device. But the problem is not even that, many of these sights can not be done. And you need to shoot, and not only shoot, sometimes you need to quietly and with your butt set. And plastic and adjustable is generally how to stroke. Can also put foam rubber so that the enemy does not feel so painfully? Better than the Foxtail for mounting any sights on the AK Family there can be nothing and nothing to even talk about. And in general, confusing warm with soft is somehow not decent for people who understand a lot about weapons. DO NOT CONFUSE automatic rifles and automatic rifles. This is a different weapon !!! Because the fire mode in the AK calculated is Queued and permanent !!! Therefore, of course, he will lose the accuracy of an automatic rifle. An automatic rifle sometimes shoots in bursts, and Kalashnikov .. in general, this is his normal condition .. The handles are comfortable .. This is good, but the question is who? How will this handle behave in a 30 degree frost or 40 degree in the Vorkuta region? Can a soldier even grab her in a thick mittens? Black gloves can with cut off fingertips and are good for photos, but they have nothing to do with army life. But did the testers of this canopy live at least once in the north? And even though they kept iron in the cold? As a project for fans of post-shootings, this is interesting, but as a project for adoption ..... It is very problematic in my opinion. Well, at the expense of the immobility of mounting any sights on the lid of the bolt box, I just keep silent. This is just nonsense. Yes and what sights? Who produces them and where? Under what caliber (I mean specifically for the caliber of the device)? Belarusians are not even. But they are "well done" with America’s spectacular sights just overwhelmed but they also Ukrohuntyat according to eyewitnesses, too.
        4. tracer
          tracer 16 September 2015 07: 04 New
          +1
          I agree with you all millions of percent. To remove a mechanical sight from military weapons is a crime. Red pillboxes .. quickly aim and shoot faster. Yes, there is no doubt in the shooting range, but you imagine a brigade of paratroopers abandoned behind enemy lines at the right time ... and? Who will change the batteries? Who will regularly carry thousands of batteries? Sights with a built-in "nuclear reactor" can be done according to the example of Akog, but in general they "sound" with radioactivity ... Yes, of course they are absolutely "safe in operation" as well as Abramsov’s armor reinforced with uranium. Even blacks tankers complain about potency after wheelchairs on this device. But the problem is not even that, many of these sights can not be done. And you need to shoot, and not only shoot, sometimes you need to quietly and with your butt set. And plastic and adjustable is generally how to stroke. Can also put foam rubber so that the enemy does not feel so painfully? Better than the Foxtail for mounting any sights on the AK Family there can be nothing and nothing to even talk about. And in general, confusing warm with soft is somehow not decent for people who understand a lot about weapons. DO NOT CONFUSE automatic rifles and automatic rifles. This is a different weapon !!! Because the fire mode in the AK calculated is Queued and permanent !!! Therefore, of course, he will lose the accuracy of an automatic rifle. An automatic rifle sometimes shoots in bursts, and Kalashnikov .. in general, this is his normal condition .. The handles are comfortable .. This is good, but the question is who? How will this handle behave in a 30 degree frost or 40 degree in the Vorkuta region? Can a soldier even grab her in a thick mittens? Black gloves can with cut off fingertips and are good for photos, but they have nothing to do with army life. But did the testers of this canopy live at least once in the north? And even though they kept iron in the cold? As a project for fans of post-shootings, this is interesting, but as a project for adoption ..... It is very problematic in my opinion. Well, at the expense of the immobility of mounting any sights on the lid of the bolt box, I just keep silent. This is just nonsense. Yes and what sights? Who produces them and where? Under what caliber (I mean specifically for the caliber of the device)? Belarusians are not even. But they are "well done" with America’s spectacular sights just overwhelmed but they also Ukrohuntyat according to eyewitnesses, too.
          1. would
            would 16 September 2015 09: 59 New
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            Who will change the batteries?


            Well, firstly, in modern collimator sights, the duration of continuous operation can easily be 600 hours, respectively, the issue of batteries is not so acute. In addition, our modern time has collimator sights that do not require batteries. In the daytime, illumination through a fiber-optic drive, at night with tritium illumination. A striking example of AGOG. Yes, and you took an example, to put it mildly strange: the paratroopers or their command before throwing them behind enemy lines with a shortage of batteries suddenly decided that they needed to dismantle standard sights (as it relates to the AK74M, which when modernized sights are not dismantled anywhere) and put only collimator. It smacks of frank delirium. As well as other parts of the message

            Yes, sights with a built-in "nuclear reactor" can be made according to the example of Akog, but in general they "fonit" with radioactivity


            There is no nuclear reactor in AGOG (nuclear reactor in sight ... WHAT ?! belay ), there is a tritium backlight that is safely enclosed in sealed tubes.

            as well as the uranium-reinforced Abrams armor. Even blacks tankers complain about potency after wheelchairs on this device


            Depleted uranium is a typical uranium-238 which emits only alpha radiation, which has an extremely small penetrating power of several millimeters in the tissues. It is easy to protect from it with dense clothes, and here are solid centimeters of armor. You need to know such things from a physics course.

            And plastic and adjustable is generally how to stroke. Can also put foam rubber so that the enemy does not feel so painfully?


            Someone is still an adherent of hand-to-hand combat with a butt ...

            Well, like a cherry on a cake

            . DO NOT CONFUSE automatic rifles and automatic rifles. This is a different weapon !!!


            Further I will not comment and paint for obvious reasons fool
        5. would
          would 16 September 2015 07: 32 New
          +1
          And to be honest, need at night, it’s extremely rare to escape somewhere in the forest


          This is for now. In armies saturated with NVD and other means for conducting active operations in the dark, night operations are the norm, but with us it’s just the same.
          1. 2nd 12th
            2nd 12th 16 September 2015 20: 35 New
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            Quote: rait
            In armies saturated with NVD and other means for conducting active operations in the dark, night operations are the norm

            One American general compared war at night to playing football in the afternoon. Only football players in each eye to fasten a roll of toilet paper.
            1. would
              would 17 September 2015 00: 46 New
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              A very good analogy, by the way, because most NVDs reduce the field of view. However, even in this case, military operations at night are conducted quite successfully.
    5. would
      would 16 September 2015 07: 22 New
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      .In the first, the rigidity of this design can hardly be achieved, respectively, the accuracy of the shooting will be proportional


      Here I note that complete rigidity can not be achieved anywhere and therefore there are no shops on sniper rifles for long distances, they are single-shot. Magazine reduces stiffness and therefore accuracy. But the bottom line is that the assault rifle does not have such tasks and accordingly there are no such strict requirements for stiffness. So the question here is not stiffness per se, but sufficient stiffness.

      The second question is, what kind of forgive bolt is a bar of this length?


      For the possibility of choosing the distance of installation of the sight by itself.

      Has anyone with such a bar and bolted bells and whistles in the woods (along the chip-skier) made their way? I would like to look at these in-flight berets))


      The special forces in the photographs from the TFR are just the same with such hanged AKs, including in the forest. I think these guys are among whom are known Hardingush just the same and it’s worth asking, in his own words, a hung AK can easily weigh 5-6 kg.

      Now we’ll return specifically to the bar on the cover or, God forbid, fixed instead of an open sight. How much time and a tool will be needed to replace the same calimator with a night lamp or just switch to an open sight?


      Count yourself: On both sides of the sight, as a rule, 2 screws, the key to which should always be with you, can easily be worn in the vertical handle because it is hollow. Loosen the 4 screws, take another scope, tighten the same 4 screws. Is it long or fast? Personally, I would not try to remove an open sight, but in Western units this is practiced and apparently there are reasons for it.

      All the same, the designers probably came up with a swallow for good reason?


      Not in vain, sights are mounted on it. Only now she has no adjustment in length.

      but I would look at the advancing company at night - there is not one who decides to highlight


      So the one who turns on the flashlight has a mental retardation and he has nothing to do in the army. He is needed for another.
    6. Svateev
      Svateev 16 September 2015 10: 32 New
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      Quote: zadorin1974
      God forbid fixed instead of an open sight

      So I am also afraid that INSTEAD OF THE SECTOR PLAN OF THE SECTOR SIGHT. At least nowhere can I see the aiming bar on a modernized machine!
      1. would
        would 16 September 2015 10: 43 New
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        And you carefully look at the photo. The sector sight, where it was, simply became less noticeable due to the picatinny rail which made the receiver cover and forend higher. Do not see? Exactly between the picatinny rail of the receiver cover and the forearm picatinny rail.
        1. Svateev
          Svateev 16 September 2015 11: 06 New
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          Quote: rait
          And you carefully look at the photo.

          I looked carefully, and not only in the photo of this article. A block of sight on the spot, right. But to claim from the photograph that the aiming bar remained in place is impossible: neither the mane of the aiming bar nor the clamp are visible.
          Therefore, the question is: did you see the modernized machine “live” and saw the aiming bar on it?
          1. would
            would 16 September 2015 12: 06 New
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            Then the fears are really true, I realized what you mean. I did not see the non-upgraded version live.

            You are not right


            More than possible.
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        3. Svateev
          Svateev 16 September 2015 11: 37 New
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          Quote: rait
          Sector sight where it was

          You are not right. I just watched a video in one of the comments - I Serve the Fatherland program with Onokoy Concern Kalashnikov Specialist. Instead of a sector sight - a cross over 2-x range pillar, like the M16, "Galil" and others ...
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  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 15 September 2015 19: 02 New
    +6
    Well, who has time
    1. bunta
      bunta 15 September 2015 19: 41 New
      +3
      Since he is changing the store with his left hand, I think this is m. Duck.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 15 September 2015 20: 21 New
        +1
        - The American "chip", like, does not lose control of the weapon!
        1. bunta
          bunta 15 September 2015 22: 00 New
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          Quote: saygon66
          - The American "chip", like, does not lose control of the weapon!

          It is doubtful that the center of gravity is in front of the grip (additional load on the wrist), the weapon leaves the line of sight. It goes even more at the time of reloading. Now look into his eyes at the moment of reloading. I think he and the target does not control.
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 15 September 2015 22: 25 New
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            - Somewhere in the video you can see: When reloading Comrade. Haley takes the butt slightly "armpit" - it seems to be easier to hold ... He obviously doesn’t count on an exact shot - there is the possibility of a shot "in the direction", and there, you look, he recharged smile
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 15 September 2015 22: 03 New
          +2
          What the hell is control? In real battle, God forbid, send a short queue to the target ... With the Papuans, he’ll give a ride ...
  • roskot
    roskot 15 September 2015 19: 06 New
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    The machine stood, stands and will stand in service. But modernization is for special units.
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  • Vishnevsky
    Vishnevsky 15 September 2015 19: 12 New
    +2
    In my opinion it is better to concentrate on the AK-12, where everything is more or less thought out for these attachments. And for the AK-74 has long been a body kit from the Zenith. Apparently, the Kalashnikovs only realized that it was possible to earn money on this.
    1. bunta
      bunta 15 September 2015 19: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Vishnevsky
      I think it's better to concentrate on the AK-12

      The concern has already understood that they have justified themselves with AK-12. They remembered about SA and started talking about a two-hundredth series.
  • saygon66
    saygon66 15 September 2015 20: 29 New
    0
    - The recruitment is more likely designed for civilian shooters ... Not a word about adoption, which means that no company will allow such an “upgrade” every day ... clinging to these “goodies” directly to “combat” is fraught, more for which pocket nito hooks ... and kirdyk ...
  • Olegater
    Olegater 15 September 2015 20: 58 New
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    Forum users are all well and as always there are a few questions. 1. why make a butt like a pin ... dosovsky? 2. Why angularity with picatinny slats? 3. And whoever noticed a small button on the pistol grip? (to be honest, I was in the army in 2015 and picked up a new Kalashnikov with these bells and whistles. It’s not very convenient and clings to everything. As a result, until the button was pressed, the machine didn’t work, and what?)
  • AleBors
    AleBors 15 September 2015 21: 28 New
    +2
    For many years, who just does not do body kit on AK ... FAB Defense, Magpul, and even our Zenith .. Now they have decided ... From experience ... The well for the store is a useless thing, the strap on the receiver cover also. On the forearm, perhaps yes, all sorts of nishtyaki cling. But ... the machine with all this jewelry clings to the equipment ugly. And changing the butt to AK is generally difficult. Somehow they changed it on AKMS, the regular one on FABovsky ... they killed 6 hours .. I installed myself an anatomical pistol (from FAB Defense), it’s more convenient to shoot, and the forearm from “Zenith”. Sometimes I hang a flashlight or a collimator, with it in conditions of insufficient visibility is convenient to shoot. Everything else bothers me .. IMHO, of course ..
  • Bubulge Onote
    Bubulge Onote 15 September 2015 22: 06 New
    -4
    More like a whistle transponder. They dressed like a homeless man in a tailcoat. Well, if upgrading, then changing the trunk to a suitable size 6.5 Grendel.
    1. turk
      turk 15 September 2015 22: 12 New
      -5
      Quote: Bubulge Onote
      Well, if upgrading, then changing the trunk to a suitable size 6.5 Grendel.

      Another lover of "Hryundel". But do not tell me, what is it that no one in the world has been adopting this “promising hryundel” for many years? Didn’t think? Think about it.
      The last similar stillborn corpse was called Barrett REC7. Since then, the world "following the results of the excretion" has stood still. And he wondered if he was so promising? So you join them.
      1. Bubulge Onote
        Bubulge Onote 15 September 2015 22: 32 New
        -1
        Because all kinds of ***** like you are in power, who care only that their seat is in a warm place, and therefore afraid to accept at least some changes.
        1. turk
          turk 15 September 2015 22: 40 New
          -2
          Quote: Bubulge Onote
          Because all kinds of ***** like you are in power, who care only that their seat is in a warm place, and therefore afraid to accept at least some changes.

          Uncle, did I write about Barrett REC7 to you? Wrote. Did you get the gist? I didn’t catch it. Catch ... Catch, contact.
  • B- 3ACADE
    B- 3ACADE 16 September 2015 01: 30 New
    +6
    Dear Turk, did you shoot from the systems you made?
    You write beautifully. You will read.
    So I fired almost everything that is sold in the states.
    I have a sidekick dealer in Tenesi. He only has 200 trunks on the farm.
    He fired from m4 from NK-s. M16 is a good rifle but not a weapon. Ji 3 old
    closer to arms. Uzi-frank G. And here is mp5 cool automatic.
    As for Kalash, Americans themselves produce them. Well, now the most delicious
    the civil version of m16 is about 2.5 tons of green rubles.
    MP5-5-6 pieces. But Kalash 1.5 in total. I took Yugoslav for 850.
    real ak47 akm.6-7 thousand and look for it.
    Americans know a lot about weapons. Good weapons.
    and rifles, well, fine for the first wave ...
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 16 September 2015 05: 27 New
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      And what about the marlin 444 carbine? I got such a beast the day before yesterday. Not mastered yet.
  • vov4ik_zver
    vov4ik_zver 16 September 2015 06: 05 New
    +1
    For reference: the Makarov pistol in Soviet times cost 75 rubles, the Mosin rifle about 50 rubles, the Kalashnikov assault rifle 36 rubles, but Kalash is not a submachine gun, but PPS or PPSh (Shpagin submachine gun and Sudaev submachine gun, respectively) cost in those days only about 12-15 rubles.
    Is the cost price so increased in the post-Soviet era?
  • would
    would 16 September 2015 07: 10 New
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    Apparently they decided to adopt the Western experience and create a single kit of body kit to improve the characteristics of weapons. In the USA, back in 1989, they launched the SOPMOD program, which is similar in theory, but includes a whole range of small arms.

    In the picture, everything looks good, only the lack of a sight confuses, apparently it is not yet included in the kit. But as you know, it is necessary to try and touch in reality, especially in our case when a project with a real production product can very strongly differ by itself not for the better.
  • Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 16 September 2015 09: 13 New
    0
    05.06.2015
    The concern has developed three components of a set of additional equipment for the modernization of 5,45-mm and 7,62-mm Kalashnikov assault rifles for combined arms units, military intelligence, as well as for units that are part of special operations forces.

    Development was carried out according to the tactical and technical specifications approved by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on an initiative basis at the expense of the group’s own funds. Currently, the development of serial production of products is nearing completion.
  • kit-kat
    kit-kat 16 September 2015 09: 48 New
    +1
    Very belated modernization. In terms of technology, such an upgrade could and should have been done back in the 70s, to Afghanistan. A shame.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 16 September 2015 09: 56 New
    +2
    I absolutely see no sense in installing the Picatinny rail on the receiver lid .. For it entails the constant aiming of the sight after each disassembly and cleaning of the weapon .. The lateral tides are much more reliable .. So, the silly imitation of the M-4 and no more, but the M-4 completely different design principle ..
    1. would
      would 16 September 2015 10: 03 New
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      For this entails the constant shooting of the sight after each disassembly and cleaning of the weapon ..


      Something I do not understand ... what is happening with the sight that it needs to be shot every time? belay Are you talking about the rigidity of the mount or what? So shoot him as much as you like the receiver cover will not become stiffer from this, the play will be identical.
  • s545321
    s545321 16 September 2015 10: 13 New
    +1
    Damn here they are effective managers !! The mountain gave birth to a mouse! I saw a similar body kit about 10 years ago, according to my Israeli firm TDI, I could be mistaken in the name. And picatini. Picatini is all about it. They don’t want or cannot think. most likely the second. Our side mount allows after disassembling and cleaning the weapon allows you to return the sight to a single place and start firing without shooting. And with picatinas you will have fun, you need a shot every time after removing the sight. And all this nonsense like tactical arms, bipods, flashlights and other crap. They always tried to lighten the weapon, and they hung 1,5 kg on it, all kinds of unnecessary crap. Better to take more rounds.
  • garrikz
    garrikz 16 September 2015 10: 22 New
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    They took the "body kit" with the AK-12. To make production cheaper, they released it as a modernization kit. Not a bad move: the old AK-74s are approaching the parameters of the AK-12, well, the troops will be faster to master the new machine.
    After saturation of the troops of the AK-12, the old AK-74 will go to warehouses, etc.
  • akm8226
    akm8226 16 September 2015 18: 32 New
    +3
    Well, they all spoke out. Now it's my turn to break users. Gentlemen - the first question from me - who-thread personally used this device in real life? I'm not talking about the fighting - at least someone shot a thread from it? Judging by the conversation, no one. Everything is at the level of idle rumors - it’s not so, it’s not that way. Any design is checked first at the stand, then at the test site and, finally, by the user in the form of an experimental batch. This is the LAW. Without this, no one will give permission to put the product into operation. So all your speculation is nothing more than speculation. Personally, I need at least an hour with him at the shooting range - and I will tell about him, if not everything, then almost everything. All the salt is that I do not twist the commandos - I am single in two persons - I am an advanced user and design engineer all rolled into one. And I will immediately see all the flaws and mistakes - I just need to hold it in my hands.
    A dispute is a good thing ... if a dispute about female beauty, an unproven bazaar about serious things is bullshit.
    1. turk
      turk 16 September 2015 18: 42 New
      -3
      Quote: akm8226
      Any design is checked first at the stand, then at the test site and, finally, by the user in the form of an experimental batch. This is the LAW.

      Any design is calculated first at least on a calculator. And best of all in specials. the program. And this is the LAW.
  • 2nd 12th
    2nd 12th 16 September 2015 21: 12 New
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    I read the comments. I want to add my 5 kopecks.
    If a person is a poor shooter, replacing the buttstock, handles will not help him become 1.5 times effective (well-aimed). Can soldiers learn to shoot more carefully?
    1. would
      would 17 September 2015 00: 43 New
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      One does not cancel the other.
  • Owl
    Owl 16 September 2015 23: 13 New
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    The question arises: Where is it? The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia purchased this kit for its special forces? On the Soviet AKM and AKMS such a "product" prepared? Probably again all this will not go beyond any “exhibitions of achievements of any economy”, and we, with Chinese body kits bought for our money, should go to the “armed or especially dangerous” ...
  • Thor
    Thor 17 September 2015 00: 19 New
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    What about translator-fuse? As I understand it, the standard ones are displayed in the photo, what’s included in the kit is similar to what they sell on the “saiga” ?!
    1. would
      would 17 September 2015 06: 56 New
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      An additional emphasis has been placed on the safety translator. I give a link to the video that was in the comments, but at the moment where it is clearly visible and a little further it is talked about and shown.

      https://youtu.be/DSre-Ndn8tw?t=2m31s