How a school kills children's talents and creates thousands of losers

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90% of students will not be successful people, live the life of losers. Our society is under the overwhelming hypnosis of the matrix and can not understand the obvious truths. The education system is hopelessly outdated. 90% unhappy people - more than just a lot. If the mineral water plant would have released 9 from 10 bottles of dirty water, the manual would have definitely been sent to prison.



How a school kills children's talents and creates thousands of losers


Every year thousands of schools “produce” people who will live unrealized, lonely, poor. Why is this happening?


The causes of today's evil must be sought in the past. Modern school was created 200 years ago. This institute responded to the specific needs of the industrial age. At that time, production was rapidly developing in England. New factories, banks, factories appeared. Millions of thoughtless, obedient performers — a kind of biorobot — were needed to serve them. Then the system was founded, contrary to common sense, the nature of the child, evolution.


The ideal program for creating robots, which are the gears of big business.


We know that children love to play. So learning happens ten times faster than at the desk. Children have a lot of energy. They love to laugh, run, jump. The school punishes children for any manifestation of emotions, cheerfulness, curiosity. There is no question of any personal development, both physical and spiritual-intellectual. Our pedagogy is built so as to destroy the individuality, personality, to deprive the child of their opinions.


A few reasons why school is bad:


  1. Modern science has proven that a child learns effectively only when it is mistaken. The school is doing everything to work out the fear of mistakes in children. For the wrong answers are punished, put a deuce. In the future, these unfortunate people are afraid to try new things, experiment, make mistakes.

  2. In tasks there is only 2 answer - correct and incorrect. In this way, children begin to see the world flat. Many tasks, in fact, may have thousands of correct solutions.

  3. Children have no time to think. The modern learning process is structured so that the child is constantly loaded with dull, meaningless work. Earlier, during the heyday of philosophy, the teacher led students to the river bank and gave the task to think. They could argue for a few days, reflect. Only by thinking in silence can we develop our mind.

  4. Modern school kills one of the innate instincts - the desire for knowledge. Leonardo da Vinci did not attend school. Only because of this he was able to develop and maintain a thirst for knowledge. All his life he made brilliant discoveries, remaining a student. Da Vinci's inventions on 500 years are ahead of time. Most students, having received diplomas, stop learning forever. They hate this process. All life remain spiritual disabilities.

  5. All the knowledge that comes from school with violence and humiliation of personality for 11 years can fit on a five dollar chip, they cost nothing. The world is developing rapidly. Information becomes outdated and becomes useless. Valuable only is the ability to self-educate, which is precisely not taught.

Most people no longer ride donkeys, no one uses pigeon mail. Reality has changed. Only the feudal-industrial education system remained the same.


Dear grandparents, moms and dads, if someone has the opportunity to transfer a child to an out-of-school education, give the child a happy life without hesitation, take him out of school.


More evil than school and hard to imagine. Criticizing school education, I do not in any way want to offend people, exceptions, teachers from God. They even in this school hell have enough courage and love for children, to give them knowledge, to inspire future achievements. But this, unfortunately, exceptions that only underline the rule.


Dear friends, develop awareness, curiosity.

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  1. +45
    15 September 2015 14: 44
    What idiocy, not an article. At school, like a university, they teach not so much knowledge as how to work with their own heads. And there is never much knowledge - they are always lacking. Otherwise, physicists appear who have no idea about new discoveries and are convinced that superluminal velocities do not exist. Just because they don’t need it.
    1. +21
      15 September 2015 14: 51
      Quote: Denis_469
      At school, like a university, they teach not so much knowledge as how to work with their own heads.

      100% correct. The main task facing the teaching staff in an educational institution is to develop the student's skill to learn, which, when the student strives to acquire knowledge and skills, brings an excellent result. As the eastern wisdom says: "And one person can lead a horse to a watering place, but even a hundred will not force her to drink water if she does not want it."
      1. -1
        15 September 2015 14: 55
        Here is the author issued.
        If the mineral water factory would produce 9 from 10 bottles of dirty water - management would definitely be sent to prison.
        compared people with bottles laughing
        1. -2
          15 September 2015 16: 05
          Quote: Wend
          Here is the author issued.
          If the mineral water factory would produce 9 from 10 bottles of dirty water - management would definitely be sent to prison.
          compared people with bottles laughing

          Here is the author - that same bottle ... with dirty water! One in 10 ... the rest are just people!
          1. +5
            15 September 2015 17: 38
            Schools do not exist to develop creative curiosity in a child. Its task is to prepare a person for adulthood. And life is a cruel thing. Whether we like it or not, 90% of the population will work with gears in production. Inability to obey discipline, incontinence in statements and actions will lead a person to a job loss, or even to deprivation of freedom, much faster than his lack of ability to see the outside world outside of the box. Of course, the child’s creative abilities need to be developed, but not at the expense of budgetary institutions.
            1. +10
              15 September 2015 18: 13
              Quote: Mahmut
              Its task is to prepare a person for adulthood.

              During World War II, children worked on a par with adults on the machines.
              As children learn the same computers, in comparison with adults, it’s a pleasure to watch.
              Do not consider them stupid and incapable. They are not blinded, unlike adults, but this is a huge plus.
              1. +3
                16 September 2015 03: 23
                The number of minuses to the article is proof of the correctness of the author. The article is very correct and true, it is a pity that many are not given to understand it.
                1. +3
                  16 September 2015 10: 03
                  Quote: crazyrom
                  The number of minuses to the article is proof of the correctness of the author. The article is very correct and true, it is a pity that many are not given to understand it.

                  I am one of those who slammed a minus of this article. And I really want to discuss with you. About the correctness and veracity of the article, of course.

                  By the way, I switched to the source and read the comments there (it is a pity that I myself can’t unsubscribe). Funny reading. And sad. Such a paradox. Some Discovery Channel is considered educational for some reason, and sufficient for children to get an educational load. You too, maybe you think so?
                  1. -4
                    16 September 2015 15: 00
                    I put a plus article! You did not study outside of school and do not respect Leonardo da Vinci!
                    Here, after all, they say that at school they learn the cruelties of life, and we say the author of the article about something else !!
                    Have you ever wondered why we have so few Nobel laureates in Russia?
                    1. +1
                      16 September 2015 15: 56
                      Quote: victorrat
                      You didn’t study externally and do not respect Leonardo da Vinci!

                      One may ask, why do you have this offer in the affirmative form? What conclusions have they come from?
                      Quote: victorrat
                      Here, after all, they say that at school they learn the cruelties of life, and we say the author of the article about something else !!

                      I don’t care what is said in the comments, I’m not commenting on the comments (and nonsense in the comments), but on the article (and nonsense in the article)
                      Have you ever wondered why we have so few Nobel laureates in Russia?

                      Why?
                      1. -1
                        29 September 2015 19: 40
                        Because you put a minus article laughing
                    2. +6
                      16 September 2015 17: 21
                      ..... Have you ever wondered why we have so few Nobel laureates in Russia? ...

                      .... Only because the office is with our "partners" ..... And they "love" us for several centuries ... hi
                    3. +2
                      17 September 2015 09: 49
                      In the days of Leonardo da Vinci, very many did not go to school, and where are they all? Perhaps the origin of the genius da Vinci is not only in the absence of his school education?
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                2. +2
                  16 September 2015 10: 26
                  Quote: crazyrom
                  The article is very correct and true, it is a pity that many are not given to understand it.


                  Sad but true. Many were not given to understand it, but I want to stick my five cents.
                  1. +7
                    16 September 2015 11: 19
                    Quote: ASK505
                    Sad but true. Many were not given to understand it, but I want to stick my five cents.

                    Let's not talk about five cents, but about the subject of the dispute.
                    Do you have problems with literacy and education? They are huge. And not only among young people.
                    Is there a problem with the education system? They are huge.
                    Did the article reveal the essence of the problem? Gave a psychological portrait of a modern student? Indicated the factors affecting the teacher in preparation for classes and during classes? NOT.
                    Did the article suggest a solution? No, not that "solution" - take it away from school.
                    Did the article point to the problems that arise with "self-education"? NO The most commonplace is that self-education is possible only after obtaining a certain base. Who will give the base? Parents? How will you create conditions under which parents will be engaged not in earning money, but in educating their children?


                    The author has super-logic: an assumption is made that 100% genius at birth is inherent in people. Since adults in fact are not 100% geniuses, somewhere in the intermediate stage genius was buried. The intermediate stage is that we have a school. Conclusion - the school deprives people of genius. Class.

                    The reasons for the "harmfulness" of the school are generally a song where there is no logic.

                    Article - cheap stuff and a dummy.
                    1. -1
                      23 September 2015 15: 53
                      And we plan to get out of the city, from crap and pissed up driveways, from the neighbors-swindlers; to leave for the village, work on the land and independently educate children (just the same base), and they will be free to receive higher education wherever they want. There is almost always a way out, it’s just hard to step over what we have grown up in, it’s hard to move away from the template. In my environment there are people who themselves taught children. Beautiful, smart kids! They are sent to the Olympiads from schools (in which they are listed)! The law provides for the same family form of education. I will take advantage! The teacher herself, I deal with children and see what the school does with the brain. I see every day! The author of the article simply did not post it there. He is, so to speak, a pioneer in this matter. Time will pass and the content of the article will not seem so radical. Believe me! Passing children to school and washing their hands is the easiest. Although also very difficult. Anyway, in the end, they have to learn everything at home :)
            2. -1
              29 September 2015 19: 41
              She cooks wrong if you didn’t know ...
          2. 0
            15 September 2015 20: 25
            Quote: CONTROL
            Here is the author - that same bottle ... with dirty water!

            Nah ..... There’s murky water)))))
        2. +2
          15 September 2015 20: 25
          Quote: Wend
          compared people with bottles

          I was surprised that in addition to the correct and incorrect answer, there may also be some sort of one)))) Moderators and administrators, you there didn’t leave the bastard as an ace ?? You print such nonsense ......
          1. -1
            15 September 2015 20: 27
            Quote: tomket
            I was amazed that in addition to the correct and incorrect answer, there may also be some sort of

            Exactly .. but I'm generally annoyed by the presence in the "answers" in the textbook any answer, except for the correct one .. laughing

            See (from the classics) - Scanavi's problem book, for example .. well, there are no wrong answers..
          2. +1
            16 September 2015 11: 03
            totally agree strange sounds
            There are only 2 answers in tasks - correct and incorrect. Thus, children begin to see the world flat. Many tasks, in fact, can have thousands of the right solutions.


            there may be thousands of correct decisions that will lead to the correct answer, but will not give a third answer and neither the right nor the wrong :)) and someone pluses this nonsense
        3. +1
          16 September 2015 21: 33
          One stupid person after the exam, having received a diploma, is a threat to the state-woo.
      2. +13
        15 September 2015 14: 57
        Dirty article ..! I read these back in 90 ... The goal is to rebel and look for someone to blame! ..
        1. +2
          15 September 2015 15: 08
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Dirty article ..!

          But there are true theses in it: the title of the article, and
          If the mineral water factory would produce 9 from 10 bottles of dirty water - management would definitely be sent to prison.
          . The rest resembles nonsense. hi
          1. +1
            15 September 2015 15: 49
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But there are true theses in it: the title of the article, and
            If the mineral water factory would produce 9 from 10 bottles of dirty water - management would definitely be sent to prison.



            It seems to me that the author, by his own fabrications, is similar to one of 9 bottles ...
          2. -1
            15 September 2015 17: 16
            reminds nonsense.


            Pure nonsense. It’s even interesting, even in a rare nonsense, there are one or two rational grains, but here the impression is that the author defecated in an article.
          3. +1
            15 September 2015 19: 11
            In my opinion, the Ministry of Education uses the ideas of the author.
            1. 0
              15 September 2015 20: 26
              Quote: tank64rus
              The Ministry of Education uses the ideas of the author.

              definitely....
            2. +1
              16 September 2015 05: 21
              Yes, this is an article by one of the clerks of the Ministry of Education. The link is empty
          4. +2
            15 September 2015 19: 11
            In my opinion, the Ministry of Education uses the ideas of the author.
        2. +19
          15 September 2015 19: 13
          Did the author himself work at school? In that school, where not a step from the standard, not a step away from the program, where officials regulated everything? My wife works at school, says that such idiocy at the school has not existed for a long time. No one needs children at all. the main thing is pieces of paper, reports and regulatory documents!
          1. +1
            15 September 2015 19: 18
            Quote: Sly Fox
            In that school, where not a step from the standard, not a step away from the program, where officials regulated everything?

            Universal education was already in the USSR. It was forbidden to leave for the second year, although there were second-year students in our class. And for the deuces of the teachers they did not stroke the head - they spoiled the indicators, as they say now, the image.
          2. +8
            15 September 2015 22: 20
            could, would put a thousand pluses. even school books and then with errors .... scum.
            1. +4
              15 September 2015 22: 25
              to the cunning fox quote my comment. the class teacher directly says, with this education the children will not have knowledge and you parents (if you remember) teach children additionally.
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          3. 0
            16 September 2015 10: 30
            Quote: Sly Fox
            Did the author himself work at school?


            There is no word "rabatyval" in Russian. What school did you teach this?
            1. 0
              23 September 2015 16: 01
              Do we only have Mayakovsky? :)
            2. 0
              12 October 2015 09: 46
              There is also an outdated pronunciation and spelling: work.

              Root: -work-; suffixes:

              This is an obsolete form of the verb to work, an imperfective verb.
              I studied very well at school. And you?
          4. 0
            23 September 2015 16: 00
            exactly! that's what scares! Papers, reports and documents. I have a friend who is a primary school teacher. I ask: "How long do you really explain the material?" The answer is "15 minutes". The rest of the time is a struggle for discipline. I ask: "Is it possible for a child not to touch his parents and to cope with everything himself?" Answer: "Nope". I ask: "Will you take your child to school?" Answer: "In the initial - no". Why lead to school, if all the same then at home everything is in the second round? I'd better explain everything myself in 2 hours, let me do it myself for another hour, and then walk around and stock up on health. And let him work, let him learn to hammer in nails!
      3. +4
        15 September 2015 15: 08
        I remember the teaching "building" of my school of the 70s-80s, foreign fashion magazines, the pursuit of clothes and scarcity, complete admiration for the West and the longing that we all live here in this dull scoop.
        1. +20
          15 September 2015 15: 24
          Well, it may have been so with you. For everyone it is not necessary. In general, on the topic: we all see, we all know that now the educational system is "useless". Parents of children who are at school understand this very closely. Question: WHAT IS THE STATE SILENT ??? Why is the Minister of Education mumbling? There are millions of examples of IDIOTIC teaching in schools, even textbooks, even teachers (young). WHERE ACTION ????
          1. -5
            15 September 2015 15: 43
            But I don’t speak for everyone. Everyone has already made their choice in the year 90.
            1. +3
              15 September 2015 21: 11
              Well, right everyone on a business trip on Mars was back, and then Gorbachev and Yeltsin were destroying the country. And they have nothing to do with it.
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        2. +3
          15 September 2015 15: 35
          Quote: Mother Teresa
          I remember the teaching "building" of my school of the 70s-80s, foreign fashion magazines, the pursuit of clothes and scarcity, complete admiration for the West and the longing that we all live here in this dull scoop.

          I feel sorry for you! What a wretched childhood you had! You are probably from Moscow!
          1. -4
            15 September 2015 15: 41
            My childhood was wonderful. I'm from Peter. But the teachers were from the provinces.
            1. 0
              16 September 2015 00: 42
              Quote: Mother Teresa
              My childhood was wonderful. I'm from Peter. But the teachers were from the provinces.

              I apologize. It was necessary to say - from the capital (or from the second capital)!
        3. +6
          15 September 2015 16: 45
          Quote: Mother Teresa
          the melancholy that we all here live in this dull scoop.

          pffff
          yes longing, but I lived and studied, fought, hooligan, rejoiced, fell in love and much more, by the way in the same period
          1. +1
            15 September 2015 20: 25
            You do not understand what I wrote. Read carefully.
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      5. +9
        15 September 2015 15: 32
        which, with the student’s desire to acquire knowledge and skills, brings an excellent result.


        That's right, exactly what WHEN STRIVING. And if there is no desire, then you have to "intimidate" with deuces. They are already forbidden to put them, like, keeping the contingent is the main task. Not training, but keeping the contingent.
        I got the feeling that the author is somewhere close to the minobra. From there we are also told that "we need to individually approach each student." And at the same time today at the planning meeting they said that if it is not possible to defend the position of our technical school leadership before the rector, then only half of the cost of an hour will be paid for a group of 13 people. Although, it would seem, here you are, on a silver platter is almost your "individual approach".
      6. +25
        15 September 2015 15: 42
        The main task facing the teaching staff in an educational institution is to form the learner’s ability to learn,


        Old teachers at the institute taught that an engineer cannot know everything, but he must know where to find information and how to use it correctly. On exams, they even allowed me to use literature and lectures, citing the fact that if you do not know, then stupid cheating will not give you anything, in principle it was. In practice, this method of training now gives a good result. Conclusion - you need to learn, first of all, to think with your head.
        1. +11
          15 September 2015 16: 14
          Quote: aleks_29296
          Old teachers at the institute taught that an engineer cannot know everything, but he must know where to find information and how to use it correctly. On exams, they even allowed me to use literature and lectures, citing the fact that if you do not know, then stupid cheating will not give you anything, in principle it was.

          Petersburg Polytechnic University, RFF, 1990-1996.
          The first 3 courses exams were only from memory (although they did not drive much for cribs - I remember the face of the teacher who diligently "did not hear" how I leaf through 48 pages spore bombslying on his knees). From the 4th year it was officially allowed to use when writing the answer to ticket questions their synopses (belonging was determined simply - the teacher could open the synopsis in the first place that came across, poke a finger and ask "what is it?"). But the answers to the additional questions had to be given without notes.

          In general, the impression is that the teachers considered - since a person tried, rewrote notes / wrote spurs, then something remained in his head.
          1. +5
            15 September 2015 17: 36
            I studied at the Kazakh Polytechnic in 1982-87. The same thing - many teachers allowed to use exams their by abstract.

            Quote: Alexey RA
            In general, the impression is that the teachers considered - since a person tried, rewrote notes / wrote spurs, then something remained in his head


            I read somewhere once such a recommendation: write spurs - but on the exam by them do not use: rewriting itself contributes to a very good memorization!
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        2. +4
          15 September 2015 17: 31
          Add - think in the right direction! An effective search for the shortest and most rational path to the truth - this skill must be developed in children. And to put two as mistakes ... D * the urak is not the one who is mistaken, but who does not correct the mistakes and, moreover, persists in them.
      7. +3
        15 September 2015 22: 39
        I have not read such nonsense for a long time. Does the author petty revenge for his own failure at school? So, you are one more deuce, you are our concern!
      8. +4
        16 September 2015 08: 26
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        The main task facing the teaching staff in an educational institution is to form the learner’s ability to learn,


        I have three children, go to the same school - 9,5,2 grades. For nine years in the field of education did not get better. It only got worse. Order brought only in households. school activities. Read schools, in neighboring schools the situation is, on average, the same. The educational process, as a process of instilling in a child the desire to learn and learn, has died. Dumb memorization. The requirement is basically one- regular class attendance. Not knowledge and discipline (this is the second, or even the third plan), namely, attendance.
        I will reveal the essence:
        The teacher (the era of teachers - in the past) receives a salary for each VISIT of the student. If the student’s absenteeism is not confirmed by a certificate or an explanatory note, then no salary will be charged for this.
        They also do not give ratings below "3" - it will affect the salary and getting the next category, and the category affects the size of the salary.

        For attendance, the second requirement is "rent" - that is, the delivery of "voluntary" contributions to the fund, class, school, etc. (repairs, landscaping, fence ...). Children whose parents pass regularly - use the location of the teachers, sit closer to the blackboard, participate in matinees not as spectators, but perform, although they do not have talents for singing or reading poetry there ...
        In our school, the amount per student and per month is 900 rubles.

        True, there were still Teachers, and Thank them for not working for money, but for conscience!
        But they are few and almost, or already retired.
        1. +1
          16 September 2015 08: 44
          Quote: Rarahin
          I have three children

          Well done. Only children can provide poor parents with a comfortable old age. And only parents can provide their children with brothers and sisters, whom it is impossible to buy for any money and all the treasures of the world!
      9. -1
        16 September 2015 10: 20
        This is not eastern wisdom.
    2. +51
      15 September 2015 14: 56
      Unfortunately, the author is in many ways right, and the modern school is precisely killing a person’s desire for knowledge. She instills what the teacher believes is correct (especially the first 4 grades, when the student’s personality is formed in elementary school) and if the lop-eared student defends his point of view, then 95% of modern teachers will do everything to publicly ridicule him in the classroom, while forgetting that children's jokes are the most evil jokes, especially at school.
      More than once I observed how in the first grade, when the teacher asked, a "forest of hands" rose at the desks, everyone wanted to answer something ... In the fifth grade, the situation was radically different. The teacher forced the students to answer the question / problem. And no one ever thought about what happened to the children in 4 years? Why does the kid say one fine evening - I won't go to school, I hate her?
      And the programs that are being developed for elementary school? I do not consider myself stupid, but sometimes the tasks that were given to the third-grader put me in a dead end. Yes, to hell with him, but! For 4 years, we have changed 3 class teachers and as many training programs! What knowledge can there be in this mess in my head?
      With pleasure and nostalgia I recall a secondary school of the times of the USSR.
      1. +15
        15 September 2015 15: 21
        Corsair 0304. the Soviet school was just ruined by slogans similar in this article.
        "And no one ever thought about what happened to the children in 4 years?" - thought, the answer has long been known: up to grade 5, the child studies the outside world, after his place in this world. there is nowhere to get away from: the beginning of hormonal breakdown.
        1. 0
          15 September 2015 16: 21
          The Soviet school itself was rapidly decomposing. There were a lot of people who needed two things: order in the classroom and accountability. And to instill in children an interest in their subject, to interest, to captivate, no, as one teacher told me without witnesses, "I don't get paid for this." And the eternal answer of all teachers is that children are stupid, but before they were completely different.
          1. +3
            15 September 2015 16: 46
            Quote: Mother Teresa
            they don’t pay me for it

            listen how unlucky you are with school and teachers
            1. -2
              15 September 2015 20: 28
              Why unlucky very unlucky. A lot of things became clear to me already in my school years.
            2. -2
              16 September 2015 10: 36
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              listen how unlucky you are with school and teachers


              Mom, where did you study? The beginning of the sentence is capitalized, and at the end a period is put. After treatment, a comma is placed. Please do not write, but read more. Do not disgrace!
              1. 0
                17 September 2015 21: 38
                Let me know you wrote it to whom?
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          2. +6
            15 September 2015 18: 50
            Yes, there were shoals in the Soviet school, there were. He remembered how I was forced to learn to write for a long time with my left hand in the elementary grades. Why?
      2. +17
        15 September 2015 15: 41
        The causes of today's evil must be sought in the past. The modern school was created 200 years ago. This institution met the specific needs of the industrial age. At that time, production was rapidly developing in England.


        What school are we talking about? What has England to do with it? The fact that we were forced by their delusional test system plus a perverted teaching system and distortion of history in their favor should be asked from the "moles" in the education system. And our education is Lomonosov, Mendeleev, Zhukovsky, Tsiolkovsky, Kurchatov, Pavlov, Pirogov, Tolstoy, Pushkin, Sikorsky, Popov ... You can go on for a long time. You can break it quickly, but it doesn't always work out later.

        One Fursenko ruined the education, the other ruined the already dead football ...
        1. +1
          16 September 2015 10: 40
          Quote: Andrey NM
          One Fursenko ruined the education, the other ruined the already dead football ...


          And what does Fursenko have to do with football?
      3. +3
        15 September 2015 15: 55
        Quote: Corsair0304
        Unfortunately, the author is in many ways right, and the modern school is precisely killing a person’s desire for knowledge.

        This is not only a Russian problem. Here says a former American, now a Russian farmer, Justat Walker, who in the 90s was brought to Russia by a parent with an 11-year-old boy.


        Quote: Corsair0304
        With pleasure and nostalgia I recall a secondary school of the times of the USSR.

        And I don’t, I was constantly underestimated for bad behavior. But behavior is not a criterion of knowledge and skills. But I was never afraid of exams, like deuces.
        1. +6
          15 September 2015 16: 32
          о
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          I was constantly underestimated for bad behavior


          As far as I remember, they put two ratings: behavior and diligence. In terms of personal behavior, I never had more than 3-ki, but in terms of diligence I did not go below 4-ki. Although, maybe I just got a good school. There was never any hatred of learning. Reluctance to go to school, to learn something, that is, ordinary laziness, was present, but there was no hatred.
        2. +2
          16 September 2015 10: 42
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          farmer Justat Walker,


          Great authority in education in Russia.
          1. +1
            16 September 2015 16: 42
            This Livanov is a great authority, and Walker is an amateur. He loves his children.
        3. 0
          23 September 2015 16: 07
          Apart from laughter, this guy is nice to me!
      4. +1
        15 September 2015 19: 15
        Quote: Corsair0304
        For 4 years, we have changed 3 class teachers and as many training programs! What knowledge can there be in this mess in my head?

        If your child is not lucky with school, then it is not a fact that the rest have the same.
        And when I look at my children’s school (phys.mat., But with regular balls, etc. events) .... I was wretched crying
        1. +1
          15 September 2015 22: 59
          And the number of quizzes, games, competitions (during school hours), charity concerts personally frightens me personally. When do they learn something ??
          When my children take a bath with mathematics, computer science, and English, they scream that they need a computer club and a tutor in a second language (mother and father aren't bullshit) ...
          Kill, but I'm happy.
      5. 0
        16 September 2015 05: 17
        Quote: Corsair0304
        With pleasure and nostalgia I recall a secondary school of the times of the USSR.

        Absolutely agree! But my children were not lucky with the school. At meetings, they scolded, threesomes, but: as soon as we went to college, a thirst for knowledge immediately appeared. Finished excellent students.
    3. 0
      15 September 2015 14: 56
      I agree. Bredyatina. Article "-".
      There are only 2 answers in tasks - correct and incorrect. Thus, children begin to see the world flat. Many tasks, in fact, can have thousands of the right solutions.
      There may be thousands of solutions, but the correct answer to the problem is still one. And no "flatness of the world." Out-of-school education i.e. home - firstly, it is expensive for most people, and secondly, there is almost no socialization. A creature unadapted to life (and struggle) will grow up. And in general, there are almost no indisputable provisions in the article. That the site is not pre-censored?
      1. -1
        15 September 2015 15: 37
        Quote: marlin1203
        There are only 2 answers in tasks - correct and incorrect. Thus, children begin to see the world flat. Many tasks, in fact, can have thousands of the right solutions.

        What is it like? 2x2 not 4? Is the earth not round?
        1. +8
          15 September 2015 16: 20
          Quote: Homo
          What is it like? 2x2 not 4?

          It depends on which number system. smile
          Quote: Homo
          Is the earth not round?

          Of course not - we live in a three-dimensional world. smile
          In general, our old woman in a first approximation - ellipsoid of revolution. And in the second - geoid. And this is far from the last approximation.
          1. +4
            15 September 2015 16: 32
            Quote: Alexey RA
            In general, our old woman, as a first approximation, is an ellipsoid of revolution. And in the second - a geoid. And this is far from the last approximation.

            And from space it is lenticular with a curvature depending on the position of the observer. winked
          2. -1
            16 September 2015 00: 41
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Of course not - we live in a three-dimensional world. smile
            In general, our old woman, as a first approximation, is an ellipsoid of revolution. And in the second - a geoid. And this is far from the last approximation.

            And if without cleverness - a ball!
      2. +5
        15 September 2015 16: 07
        I don’t understand where the minuses came from. What is wrong? At least about!
        1. -5
          15 September 2015 16: 35
          My minus.
          1. Moreover, censorship. The material is controversial but addresses a very important topic of education.
          2. Getting to a good school is also very expensive.
          3. A creature incapable of life (and struggle) will grow. Life should be taught by parents, not strangers (teachers).
          1. +3
            15 September 2015 16: 53
            Quote: Mother Teresa
            to a good school

            What are the criteria for "goodness"?

            Quote: Mother Teresa
            Life should be taught by parents, not strangers (teachers).

            People used to be taught life in the villages. By the time of marriage / people were able to almost all life skills. Today, our grandchildren grow as abandoned by strangers as our children grew abandoned, as we grew abandoned while our parents worked from morning till night.
            1. -1
              15 September 2015 20: 23
              There are many criteria.
              1. Reviews on the Internet.
              2. The number of students registered in the police department.
              3. Schools with in-depth study of various subjects.
              4. Schools that oversee various higher education institutions.
              5. Schools where the percentage of graduates entering higher education institutions is above average.
              My parents always had time for me.
              1. 0
                16 September 2015 08: 21
                I think that the wrong criteria are needed. First of all, it is necessary to raise a Man, and not a single school does this.

                I about it, if that.
          2. +7
            15 September 2015 17: 19
            1.Censorship is needed so that any nonsense is not dragged to a serious site, otherwise we will soon slide down to discuss urinotherapy at such a pace. 2. The key point is to get to school, which is basically excluded from the article. And no matter how expensive the school is, individual tuition is much more expensive. 3. What are the parents? Who work in 2 jobs? Yes, and they will not teach how to interact with peers, again at school "first love" and a lot of things that are simply criminal to deprive a child. That's it, "mother"! laughing
            1. +2
              15 September 2015 17: 27
              Quote: marlin1203
              and then at such a pace soon before the discussion of urinotherapy we will slide.

              Before fecal therapy would not slip. laughing

              Quote: marlin1203
              And no matter how expensive the school, individual tuition is much more expensive.
              Is not a fact. There is experience in teaching children different subjects by the parents themselves, some in mathematics, some in Russian, some in biology.

              Quote: marlin1203
              Yes, and they will not teach how to interact with peers, again at school "first love" and a lot of things that are simply criminal to deprive a child.

              But how did our ancestors live for thousands of years? And they went wall to wall, and they loved and gave birth to children, and not just had sex ...
              1. 0
                15 September 2015 18: 45
                Education by parents. At the level of training at the university? what Unrealistic. Parents then should be teachers of this university laughing And at the expense of "wall to wall" and love, then "welcome to school" !!!
                1. 0
                  15 September 2015 19: 00
                  Quote: marlin1203
                  At the level of training at the university? what is unrealistic.

                  If something does not correspond to your ideas, ask yourself the question - are your ideas true?

                  And in general, for most universities, they have become an end in themselves.

                  But, in fact, the product of the university.



                  What's next?
            2. +2
              15 September 2015 21: 24
              1. I realized that you are not comfortable with this nonsense.
              2. The key point is that there are very few schools, but many vipers.
              3. My parents had time for me.
              4. You can communicate with peers in sections in circles in the courtyard and many more where.
              5. For many "parents" money is the goal itself and so they are sitting on two jobs. And many generally prefer to make a career, be financially successful, and only then have children. And then it will be too late.
        2. +1
          15 September 2015 16: 48
          Cons are not mine.
          In the commentary, the correct thought was expressed; there are many solutions, but the correct answer is one. As for the lack of certain provisions and preliminary censorship, you are wrong.
          There is no censorship on the site and this is correct.
          There is a selection of articles for discussion and this is correct.
          The appearance of an article with controversial provisions is a very important and necessary moment for the formation of discussion - different positions are explained, different understanding of problems and this is correct - truth is born in a dispute.
          Comments on indisputable articles are often of the same type; even reading them is uninteresting. This is your comment about censorship and explains the minuses.
          In this case, I agree with the moderators; they brought up an important and interesting issue for discussion. It’s not scary that the article has incorrect statements, now the commentators will appreciate everything.
          1. 0
            15 September 2015 18: 47
            See above answer "Mother Teresa" hi
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    4. +5
      15 September 2015 15: 07
      Quote: Denis_469
      At school, like a university, they teach not so much knowledge as how to work with their own heads.

      Do not mix school and university in one place. They have different tasks. The article is interesting by the way. There was so much knowledge that at first they increased the number of years in school education and still did not manage to accommodate everything. Now the idea arose to teach the student not knowledge, but methods to obtain and systematize this knowledge (without abandoning the minimum necessary knowledge).
      1. +12
        15 September 2015 15: 29
        Quote: Rivares
        They have different tasks.

        The main task of the education system as a whole is to teach a person to think and learn independently. And this is a problem not only and not so much of Russia as the global one.


        Quote: Rivares
        The article is interesting by the way. There was so much knowledge that at first they increased the number of years in school education and still did not manage to accommodate everything.

        Of course, a basic stock of knowledge is needed, but the education system must be changed from factual to methodological.

        1. -2
          15 September 2015 18: 47
          your Petrov is lying: he himself came up with an extension of education. he criticizes himself. and the rest is the GEF propaganda
          1. -1
            15 September 2015 19: 55
            And so?
            Graduates of schools working in the US education system receive a High School Certificate. This diploma is recognized by universities in the USA and Canada. From the 9th to the 12th grade, students are preparing for passing the final examsafter which they receive the High School Graduation Diploma.

            there are special 13th grade - Advanced Placement Program. It is for those who wish to study more deeply those subjects on which specialization at the university is planned. Graduates of this class are credited immediately to the 2nd year of university. Further, those who wish to get higher education can go to colleges or universities, where they receive a bachelor's degree in 4 years.
      2. +2
        15 September 2015 15: 54
        Quote: Rivares
        Now the idea arose to teach the student not knowledge, but methods to obtain and systematize this knowledge(without giving up the minimum necessary knowledge).



        Please answer how ETA was able to get along with the Unified State Exam ???

        Let's recall both general and higher education: after answering the ticket questions you were definitely asked additional questions, moreover, such that you should have spread your brains a little ...

        But this USE somehow smacks of American comics ...
        1. +2
          15 September 2015 17: 01
          Quote: veksha50
          Please answer how ETA was able to get along with the Unified State Exam ???

          Actually, the exam is a system of testing knowledge, and not a teaching method. The exam itself does not affect the learning process.

          As for me, it would be better to restore the Training and Production Combines (CPC) for training in applied professions, as we had with him and the exam.
        2. +1
          16 September 2015 07: 24
          We had a very effective training system at the military academy, where both tests and exams were very balanced. After a series of lectures on the topic, we conducted tests that we jokingly called the "lottery". 5 questions were given on the topic, 5 answers for each question. Already in the early 80's we had an electronic testing system. All answers - 5 minutes. I got a deuce - a retake in my spare time, which is practically nonexistent. If there are debts for the "lottery", then they were not allowed to the term papers, if there were debts on the term papers, they were not allowed to the session. The debtors stayed for extra classes on weekends. And only then - exams, where teachers in personal contact will test you for logical and abstract thinking, and for everything else. Just in case, we wrote spurs with the whole group, distributed questions, it turned out 6-7 questions per person. The most important thing is that on the last day before the exam, everyone went to the blackboard and made a report on their questions. In any case, the people had something in their heads and mostly the spurs were simply not useful, then they were burned in the toilet :). But it could have been done in a specialized higher educational institution, but how about this to be introduced in schools and civilian universities? I think there should be tests and exams. Tests stimulate study during a semester or a quarter, and exams also reveal flexibility in thinking. And what they have come up with now with the exam is a perversion.

          P.S. It seems to me that the author of the article can safely classify himself as a ninety percent share of graduates of the English school ...
    5. +3
      15 September 2015 15: 35
      on the one hand, they set up a saboteur Livanov, on the other hand, they begin to scold the school, as that institution that depresses the person ...
    6. +2
      15 September 2015 15: 38
      no wrong, in the old days, it was so, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL -
      this is the ability to count, read, and knowledge of the foundations of the world and native culture. That's what ALL should know - this is what is called SECONDARY EDUCATION.
      And then specialization
      HUMANITARIES - several areas of knowledge of languages, literature, social studies, history,

      natural sciences.


      EXACT SCIENCES - there are also several areas of mathematics, physics, chemists, engineers. That's right, separated by commas, because the requirements for an engineer are, first of all, building new designs from the knowledge that had already been acquired by previous generations, the ability to use libraries, reference books. And do not clog students-future engineers of what he will use in the future there will be no higher mathematics, differential and integral foundations of calculus, linear mathematics, etc.
      Well and the most important thing is the CONTINUITY that the modern authorities have broken and arranged from our best education in the world - damaging Western standards.
      But all this is broken and in modern life, the school is not interested in the QUALITY of its work, which is why such disturbing articles appear.
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 19: 06
        Quote: War and Peace
        EXACT SCIENCES - as well as several areas of mathematics, physics

        Ну what ... Physics, I would not call exact science request ...
      2. 0
        15 September 2015 19: 14
        Quote: War and Peace
        This is what ALL should know - this is what is called SECONDARY EDUCATION.

        It was also eight years old. My older sister finished eight years old and went to another school. where there were grades 9-10. When I went to school a few years later, they all beat for decades.
    7. 0
      15 September 2015 15: 43
      The article is complete nonsense! How to make a complete idiot out of a person? To tell him that he is so unique and should not listen to anything from others! This is how tinky-vinki (pakimons) are made !!! Another idiocy, hear smart "whistlers" and no one else, also get maydauns !! The truth is somewhere in the middle: teach to think and think by comparing!
    8. +4
      15 September 2015 15: 46
      "What idiocy", not a tip. Your style ... I agree, the article is weak, but the author touched on a very important topic. At school, it is precisely they disaccustomed to WORK WITH YOUR HEAD, because it introduces "education" according to Bologna, i.e. test system. And this system pursues one goal: Not to produce social competitors to those in power.
      1. +4
        15 September 2015 16: 14
        Quote: ava09
        I agree, the article is weak, but the author raised a very important topic.


        Read the entire article carefully. Just talking about 200 year stagnation in education!
    9. -1
      15 September 2015 18: 51
      wrote September 1, a student of grade 11))))))
    10. 0
      15 September 2015 19: 09
      Presented the version - the Universe could expand with superluminal speed, but inside the Universe the speed is limited. Curious.
    11. 0
      15 September 2015 19: 38
      You give a normal narrow-profile education so that you don’t learn too much !!!
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 19: 49
        Quote: AndruxaX
        You give a normal narrow-profile education so that you don’t learn too much !!!

        I do not agree. Earth is a study in which we are taught on the gods. And the gods must be developed comprehensively. We need to do good to learn. wink
        1. +1
          15 September 2015 19: 58
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          I do not agree. Earth is a study in which we are taught on the gods. And the gods must be developed comprehensively. We need to do good to learn. wink

          I absolutely disagree with the task of the educational institution to give a person a profession with which he can earn a living. Objects that are not necessary for a person necessarily set him up against an educational institution
          1. 0
            15 September 2015 20: 19
            Quote: AndruxaX
            Objects that are not necessary for a person necessarily set him up against an educational institution

            You may not know today what you will need in the future, but I said that it is necessary to change the education system from factual to methodological.

            But what speaks about how education kills creativity, Ken Robinson.

            Sir Ken Robinson (born March 4, 1950) is a book author, speaker, and international adviser on the development of creative thinking, educational systems, and innovation in government and public organizations. He was the director of the School of Art Projects (The Arts in Schools Project; 1985-1989), professor of the Department of Art Education at the University of Warwick (1989-2001) and was knighted in 2003 for his services to education.


            1. 0
              15 September 2015 20: 27
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              You may not know today what you will need in the future, but I said that it is necessary to change the education system from factual to methodological.

              In principle, already from the 5 class you can decide on a humanitarian or a technician at least.
              1. 0
                15 September 2015 20: 32
                You can’t imagine that most of the offices do NOT WORK in the specialty. Yesterday I was riding a minibus with a student, studying at a neuroscientist since I did not enter honey.

                PS And listen to Ken Robinson.
                1. +1
                  15 September 2015 20: 39
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  You can’t imagine that most of the offices do NOT WORK in the specialty. Yesterday I was riding a minibus with a student, studying at a neuroscientist since I did not enter honey.

                  PS And listen to Ken Robinson.

                  Well, you know, this is her problem, that she does not work in her specialty. I studied and work in my specialty, but in the process of training they shoved me a lot of items that were unnecessary for work.
                  P.S. Good 20 min and you can listen
                2. 0
                  15 September 2015 21: 28
                  I looked at something in agreement, for example, education with inflation and the fact that everyone should not be equated to one size on the other, on the other hand, he devoted a lot of attention to creative personalities, which is not right. Society needs more uncreative people than creative, and with mistakes. You should not think that mistakes are so normal. It’s better not to do something than to hurt. And the rest will be raked.
                  1. 0
                    16 September 2015 06: 52
                    Quote: AndruxaX
                    on the other hand, he devoted a lot of attention to creative personalities

                    Believe me, this is the main thing. And to cut down the forest, it’s not a tricky business ... A narrow specialist in driving nails, a narrow one in tightening screws ...

                    Quote: AndruxaX
                    It’s better not to do something than to hurt.

                    Rabinovich dreamed of winning the lottery all his life. And no way
                    he was unlucky. Then one of the Jewish acquaintances advised him
                    pray about it, the Creator will hear prayers and maybe
                    and send Rabinovich a win. Prayed for several days in a row
                    Rabinovich - nothing. Then one of the Jewish acquaintances said
                    that perhaps he is praying incorrectly. Rabinovich went to study
                    to the yeshiva to learn how to pray. And nothing. Then acquaintances
                    Jews said that maybe he lives wrong? Became Rabinovich
                    the righteous: he did many good deeds, helped the afflicted,
                    He devoted all his free time to the Teaching and prayed earnestly. And nothing.
                    The Jews told him that it’s possible that, having learned and understood so much,
                    does not pass Knowledge to others. Rabinovich had students, and his
                    students - students, people came to him for the Doctrine from far.
                    They began to call him the Rebbe, Teacher. The barren came to him
                    women for blessing - he blessed and they gave birth
                    numerous offspring. He blessed the blind - everyone was seeing
                    as one. With his blessings the earth received rains, and grain growers
                    harvested crops. But always in the far corners of his subconscious he was tormented
                    the thought of winning the lottery. And so, in the holiest fasting, on the Day of Atonement -
                    Yom Kippur - praying for the whole people, at the end of the prayer to Rebbe Rabinovich
                    added this little request of his. And so, the heavens parted, and from there
                    Voice sounded: "Rabinovich! Buy, finally, a lottery
                    ticket!"
                    1. 0
                      16 September 2015 17: 18
                      Quote: VseDoFeNi
                      Believe me, this is the main thing.

                      How can I believe this, if most of the work does not require creativity? Why do we need a lot of creative personalities if they sit without work. Who will plow the land?
                      On the second: I do not know a joke. But I know there were such Maydans who wanted a better life in Ukraine, and now everyone is slandering. Here's the proof of what is better not to do than to harm, and to disentangle others.
                      1. 0
                        16 September 2015 19: 14
                        Quote: AndruxaX
                        How can I believe this, if most of the work does not require creativity? Why do we need a lot of creative personalities if they sit without work. Who will plow the land?

                        You just do not cut. There is innovation, there is innovation, it is a creative approach in their work, whatever it may be. What you advocate is automatisms and biorobots, stupid and thoughtless.
                        Something like this.
                        We are a herd. Millions of us heads.
                        We graze together and bleed together
                        And we do not regret anything in the world.
                        The lamb herd is our destiny.

                        They drive us into the corral - we hurry to the corral.
                        Chasing grazing - we are in a hurry to grazing.
                        Being in a herd is a basic law,
                        And only one thing is scary - to fall out of the herd.

                        When the time comes, they cut us.
                        Why cut? We do not understand this.
                        But they cut everyone. Where to go here
                        Although this procedure is extremely unpleasant.

                        And shepherds have been given power over us,
                        They said that by the will of the sorcerer.
                        And we live without knowing those tyrants
                        What turned us into rams!

                        Ah, how juicy the crisp grass is in the pasture!
                        How cold the water in babbling streams!
                        Why do we need to know about the wiles of witchcraft,
                        When the dream in the shady thickets is so sweet ...

                        Yes, the shepherd’s whip whips on the sides.
                        Well of that: keep up with the herd!
                        And the corrals have a solid fence.
                        And the shepherds vigilantly guard us!

                        But yesterday, two rams disappeared ...
                        The shepherds did not help them.
                        The shepherds themselves ate them, and the wolves would be to blame.
                        But the herd doesn't give a damn about the brothers, "from the top shelf."

                        We are a herd. Millions of us heads.
                        Come swaying the curls.
                        We are not afraid of the tricks of sorcerers.
                        We are rams. Do what you want with us!


                        So.
                        Abstract:
                        Of all forms of tyranny, the most terrible is the tyranny of stupidity. Firstly, because we keep it in ourselves, and secondly, because it is the basis of all other tyrannies. With it we torment not only those around us, but ourselves as well. Why this happens is explained in this book.Based on the facts, it turns out that humanity is getting stupid sharply, but how then to understand the rapid development of engineering and technology? There is no contradiction, since this progress moves due to the narrow specialization of professional activityand the tyranny of stupidity is the falling ability of people to meaningfully react to changes, not even of life, but just of social life. We are talking about the general cultural level of mankind - the ability of a person to use not only the knowledge of his narrow specialty, but all the accumulated knowledge of mankind, even in their principal form. The author offers an extremely simple way to overthrow the tyranny of stupidity without revolutionary upheavals and civil war.


                        That is, you stand for universal stupidity.

                        Quote: AndruxaX
                        Here's the proof of what is better not to do than to harm, and to disentangle others.
                        Sure, it's better not to live. And do not give birth. Suddenly something goes wrong. fool laughing
                      2. -1
                        16 September 2015 22: 31
                        Che is too much emotion, but little practicality. Look to eat, drink and buy things you need for life, you need money, to get money you need to earn, to work you need knowledge and skills - this is a simple realistic chain, not rhymes. Being a comprehensively developed creative person is not necessary at all. I don’t mind who wants to let him strive, but leave me with this crap without fail. am
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Sure, it's better not to live. And do not give birth. Suddenly something goes wrong.

                        Too far-fetched. Do not confuse what humanity cannot live without, and unnecessary harmful erroneous activity.
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        We are a herd. Millions of us heads.
                        Come swaying the curls.
                        We are not afraid of the tricks of sorcerers.
                        We are rams. Do what you want with us!

                        Life is not a fairy tale. And without the so-called "shepherds" the so-called "flock" by you will disappear altogether.
                        And the fact that the shepherds themselves ate the lamb so it was probably bad to butt the oppositionist probably climbed.
                      3. 0
                        17 September 2015 06: 26
                        Quote: AndruxaX
                        I'm not against whoever wants to let him strive, but leave me with this crap without fail.

                        I had one friend, he talked about such people: we can’t read, we can’t write, but let's eat and eat.



                        On this note I finish the conversation.
                      4. 0
                        17 September 2015 13: 30
                        Cool cartoon, though I did not understand what type of "animal" or "biozombie" I have, but neighing healthy, thanks !! good
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              3. +3
                15 September 2015 23: 01
                AndruxaX (2)
                In principle, already from the 5 class you can decide on a humanitarian or a technician at least.

                Not certainly in that way.
                Some teachers already do not develop in elementary school, but they ruin, first of all, precisely future technicians.
                With my own ears I heard, for example, the following.
                There is a math lesson in the 1 class. Passed the number 10.
                The teacher says: “Here are the children, we have passed ALL the numbers (!) In mathematics” And then she calls them: “One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine - and that’s all!”
                Firstly, where is “zero”?
                Secondly. She called numbers (!), Instead of numbers. The numbers are called so: unit, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven, eight, nine and ZERO (!) The numbers are written in numbers in the same way that letters spell words. In children immediately with such teaching there is a difficulty with mathematics.
                With this quality of profane - wrecking (!) - teaching, the teacher forever discourages students from elementary school the desire to study mathematics and then to the technical sciences, turning them into humanities.
                In the 5th class, we see, as a rule, already a consequence of profaning instruction from teachers, and not the ability of the children themselves.
                1. 0
                  15 September 2015 23: 53
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  AndruxaX (2)
                  In principle, already from the 5 class you can decide on a humanitarian or a technician at least.

                  Not certainly in that way.
                  Some teachers already do not develop in elementary school, but they ruin, first of all, precisely future technicians.
                  With my own ears I heard, for example, the following.
                  There is a math lesson in the 1 class. Passed the number 10.
                  The teacher says: “Here are the children, we have passed ALL the numbers (!) In mathematics” And then she calls them: “One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine - and that’s all!”
                  Firstly, where is “zero”?
                  Secondly. She called numbers (!), Instead of numbers. The numbers are called so: unit, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven, eight, nine and ZERO (!) The numbers are written in numbers in the same way that letters spell words. In children immediately with such teaching there is a difficulty with mathematics.
                  With this quality of profane - wrecking (!) - teaching, the teacher forever discourages students from elementary school the desire to study mathematics and then to the technical sciences, turning them into humanities.
                  In the 5th class, we see, as a rule, already a consequence of profaning instruction from teachers, and not the ability of the children themselves.

                  Well, you’re right, such a teacher can do harm, but what kind of a way out you propose.
                  1. +2
                    16 September 2015 01: 28
                    Andruxax
                    Well, you’re right, such a teacher can do harm, but what kind of a way out you propose.

                    It is necessary to restore the inspectors' service at the RONO in its previous form, which daily inspected the work of teachers in the classroom lesson and which was liquidated in 1986 on the initiative of the teachers themselves. For the certification of the teacher and his salary depended on the teacher’s performance as an inspector. And not from how the teachers themselves praise themselves. After all, none of the adults sees the true picture of what is happening in the classroom - the teacher in the classroom is alone with only the children. All his quality of work depends on his civic conscience and personal pedagogical skills.
                    For a very long time, the parent community sought to restore the inspector system in RONO. The inspector system itself was restored not so long ago, but not in the sense of the inspectors daily attending lessons at the school during the school year, but only according to the teachers ’reporting papers at the end of the school year.
                    In general, the inspectors were returned, but the official functions of the inspectors themselves were emasculated. At the same time, taxpayer money is thrown to the wind, the bureaucratic apparatus is expanding, but there is no effect. This is done consciously by the very same teacher corps.
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                      16 September 2015 04: 02
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      It is necessary to restore the service of inspectors at RONO in its previous form, which daily inspected the work of teachers

                      In Finland, RONO (regulatory authority) is absent. Considered the best education in this country. Control slaves who do not want to work.
                      1. 0
                        16 September 2015 07: 07
                        Quote: Bort Radist
                        Control slaves who do not want to work.

                        We live in a global slave civilization. Man was not born to make money and pay taxes.
                        "There is no slavery more hopeless than slavery without slaves, who thinks himself free from the shackles." Goethe.

                        Quote: Demon Kratias.

                        Slowly the slaves walked one after another, and each carried a polished stone. Four ranks, each one and a half kilometers long, from stonecutters to the place where the construction of the fortified city began, were guarded by guards. A dozen slaves relied on one armed guard warrior.
                        Apart from the walking slaves, at the top of a XNUMX-meter-high man-made mountain of polished stones sat Kratius - one of the high priests; for four months silently watched what was happening. No one distracted him, no one, even with a look, dared to interrupt his thoughts. Slaves and guards perceived an artificial mountain with a throne on top
                        ...
                        ...
                        ...
                        And so they run through millennia, in dust, sweating, sweating heavy stones. And today, the descendants of those slaves continue their meaningless run.

                        http://inoskaz.com/pritchi/pritcha-demon-kratij/
                      2. 0
                        16 September 2015 13: 31
                        Dear Bort Radist!
                        Bort radist
                        In Finland, RONO (regulatory authority) is absent. Considered the best education in this country. Control slaves who do not want to work.

                        1. Who counts?
                        2. How long does today's Finnish education compare with education in other countries? For example, with Russian or Soviet?
                        In Soviet times, Soviet education was in fact the best in the world.
                        3. That teachers are now not "slaves" is, in principle, true. Teachers in the current market environment now gentlemen, traders of educational services who dictate their terms to parents for the sale of knowledge to their children.
                        All these questions are deeper than they seem at first - superficial - look.
                    2. +2
                      16 September 2015 07: 01
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      For certification of the teacher and his salary depended on the teacher’s performance as an inspector.

                      That is why I say that it is wrong to throw children at people who go to work for money, and not strangers (ours) of your children. Moreover, many teachers have big problems with their own children.

                      The same goes for health.
    12. +1
      15 September 2015 20: 50
      The hackneyed topic is why excellent students do not really succeed in adulthood than the threes. Because knowledge of school curricula does not give you answers to the question about the meaning of life, the existence of God, the questions of good and evil, and your destiny. Undoubtedly, the latest updated knowledge about the laws of the World is necessary for the formation of an adult, mathematics, physics, chemistry, geography, history, knowledge of the native language and culture, but it is not necessary to study it too deeply to the detriment of general development. For example, when an excellent pupil cramps homework, the three-man plays fun in the yard with other guys, developing communication, and she decides a lot in life, also while the excellent nerd is sitting in the laboratory, the three-year-old devotes more time to physical education, and later the girls do well with the three-year-olds extensive experience in the yard.

      What I want to say is that basically the school prepares making excellent students - obedient performers, hired slaves, ready to work for a salary. Look at billionaires and millionaires, are there many excellent students among them? Intelligence and the ability to "fumble" does not depend on whether a person studied well or badly at school, but on how much he knows how to set a goal and go to it, successful people come out of rebels and disagreeing with generally accepted norms, from those who know how to strive for a dream who has an alternative point of view. Obedient people vegetate and agree with everyone and in everything, including their lives. Therefore, they are no use to them, they are not capable of revolution.

      So basically everything is forged at home, in education, it is necessary, as the author put it correctly, to teach the child self-education, so that while gaining knowledge he can ask uncomfortable questions, which he looked for answers if they are not there, matured according to nature, played when he was a child, talked and fought with the boys, he was friends, walked with girls and so on and so that the school does not interfere with this, and everything will be the way. Basically it all depends on the father, the son looks and copies it, if the father is a bukharik and a loser, then the son can become like that, and if a normal man teaches the correct philosophy of life, parental support is the main component of the child’s success, in his confidence in his forces, and the principle of the life of parents is the main basis of the religious views of the child, will he have a conscience or not.
      1. -1
        19 September 2015 09: 26
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        Look at billionaires and millionaires, are there many excellent students among them?


        Makvrodi, Berezovsky, and others at school were precisely Ottomans. But miracles have been done that hiccups today.
    13. +5
      15 September 2015 21: 52
      Quote: Denis_469
      At school, like a university, they teach not so much knowledge as how to work with their own heads.

      Yes, it should be so. And the article talks about it. But the main thing: "our pedagogy is structured in such a way as to destroy individuality." It looks like the truth. The school is engaged in leveling children. The school curriculum is complex and overwhelmed. Its requirements are to know the specifics, which few people need. Waste study time, with microscopic returns. Although a qualitative acquaintance with some knowledge base is necessary. Questions of teaching a specific subject should be posed in such a way that a natural desire to learn arises, and what is next (?) .....
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 22: 50
        Quote: mervino2007
        And the article talks about it. But the main thing: "our pedagogy is structured in such a way as to destroy individuality." It looks like the truth.

        You know - if there is an individuality, then it cannot be destroyed. It can be muffled. And nothing more. And what
        Quote: mervino2007
        The school curriculum is complicated and overloaded. Her requirements are to know the specifics that few people need.
        So in the USSR, the program was even more overloaded. Nevertheless, I was still at school, in addition to the school curriculum, doing my own chronicle of submarine attacks. The children's brain is very adaptive to loads.
        Quote: mervino2007
        Her requirements are to know the specifics that few people need. Squandering your study time in vain, with microscopic returns. Although a good acquaintance with a certain knowledge base is necessary. The questions of teaching a particular subject should be posed so that a natural desire arises to find out what is next (?) .....

        When children are taught at school, no one knows what is useful to anyone in life. After school, a person should be able to develop in any direction. that knowledge that is not needed in life will then be forgotten. And new ones will come instead. But after school there should be a basis for the development of people in any direction. Even if the basic one.
    14. 0
      16 September 2015 13: 46
      I would supplement you a little: at school and high school they teach to work with literature.
    15. 0
      16 September 2015 21: 30
      Before high school
  2. -3
    15 September 2015 14: 45
    NOT an article but sheer pessimism and despondency. From the category of "putinslil".
    1. +11
      15 September 2015 15: 13
      Quote: oleg-gr
      From the category of "putinslil".

      Not putinslig, but 200 years ago.
      I am sure that 99,99% of people will not remember without Google and Yandex what is:
      zygote, glycogen, gimlet rule, Ohm's law for a chain section, Pascal's law, what distinguishes a haploid set from a diploid set, and so on, and the like.
      1. +7
        15 September 2015 15: 30
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Not putinslig, but 200 years ago.
        I am sure that 99,99% of people will not remember without Google and Yandex what is:
        zygote, glycogen, gimlet rule, Ohm's law for a chain section, Pascal's law, what distinguishes a haploid set from a diploid set, and so on, and the like.

        ------------------
        You have correctly noticed ... They are trying to give too much knowledge that will not be in demand in the future ... And it may make sense not to give all people an extensive amount of knowledge, for some still 4 classes are enough for someone, and for one there is little institute ... But the point is that people need to develop creativity, and not ride on rails of templates ...
        1. 0
          15 September 2015 16: 46
          Quote: Altona
          They are trying to give too much knowledge that will not be in demand in the future ...
          This is not even the point. The point is the algorithms of the brain. For example, there are a bunch of completely normal engineers who are not able to cook their own meals. There are artists, poets and composers, but they manage to write paintings, poems and music, but not the fact that they are able to balance the balance ...

          Quote: Altona
          But the point is that people need to develop creativity, and not ride on rails of templates ..

          That's right. There is such a versatile person Vitaly Sundakov, and so he says that we do not create, but do it. smile
          1. 0
            15 September 2015 17: 37
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            This is not even the point. The point is the algorithms of the brain. For example, there are a bunch of completely normal engineers who are not able to cook their own meals. There are artists, poets and composers, but they manage to write paintings, poems and music, but not the fact that they are able to balance the balance ...

            ----------------------
            If you go into cooking like engineering, then you can cook it ... In general, the simplest dish is soup, cook meat for an hour or so, vegetables for 20-30 minutes, sour vegetables, carrots, onions, beets, it’s better to lightly fry ... The soup is ready when the meat is cooked ... That’s the whole technology for the soup, for example ... With the pictures about the same thing, the main subject is drawn in the center, the secondary one from the back ... I certainly simplify, but derive algorithms for the implementation of their ideas is quite possible ...
            1. 0
              15 September 2015 18: 22
              Quote: Altona
              Of course, I simplify, but it is quite possible to derive algorithms for implementing my ideas ...

              EMNIP Pauli, a wonderful physicist theorist was no practitioner.

              A meat borscht can be cooked from scratch in half an hour, but in 4 vessels. Yes
              1. -1
                16 September 2015 11: 03
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                A meat borscht can be cooked from scratch in half an hour, but in 4 vessels.

                --------------------------
                For half an hour Uzbeks in the army manage to cook 5 dishes, including the same borsch ... laughing
                1. +1
                  16 September 2015 16: 53
                  Quote: Altona
                  For half an hour Uzbeks in the army manage to cook 5 dishes, including the same borsch ..

                  In one cauldron? belay
        2. -1
          15 September 2015 16: 49
          For all the time of my life, service, I did not need many of the knowledge gained at school.
          1. +3
            15 September 2015 17: 45
            Quote: Hiking
            For all the time of my life, service, I did not need many of the knowledge gained at school.

            -------------------------
            On the contrary, school knowledge always comes in handy ... I probably can’t help but write the chemical equation, but the fat on my hands is completely eliminated with a slice of lemon, as well as lime scale scum on a teapot — neutralization reactions. The law of leverage is also used for lifting weights, mathematics itself, both algebra and geometry ... It’s autumn now, Drosophila midges fly, so somewhere sour lies, for example, rotting apples, berries or vegetables ... I can give many examples, post is not enough ...
      2. 0
        15 September 2015 16: 38
        Sherlock Holmes also did not remember, the Earth revolves around the Sun or vice versa.
        1. 0
          15 September 2015 20: 10
          Damn, Gentlemen, on hr-fig well then "sopromat" passed ... wassat laughing
          1. +2
            15 September 2015 20: 29
            Quote: skifd
            Damn, Gentlemen, on hr-fig well then "sopromat" passed ... wassat laughing

            The world, in general, is a funny thing. what
            Here a man goes to school, college, studies sopromat and then bam and ...
            Quote: Oksana Aistova

            A man runs through life without sparing his legs.
            Home is work, home is work, serving time.
            Weekend - respite, vacation, like a halt.
            Old age, pension, shortness of breath, did you run here?
            Maybe you initially chose the wrong route?
            At seven in the morning getting up, boss, do everyone all live like that?
            Someone sees the sun, the stars, why not you?
            Leadership, production - not to beauty.
            Never breathe freely, struggle every day
            Over the edge of retirement. You say: "Fate."
            Maybe if you meekly accept it.
            Soul puffing sleeping pills, fall into oblivion.
            In the soap suds of rainbow TV series to look for,
            Believing in old age is beginning and quietly waiting.
            Wait for the legs of your children to get stronger.
            On the trodden path they run now.
            Are you born for this? And behind this lived?
            Happiness waited, dreamed, studied, believed and loved?
            If not, then, perhaps, its slowed down.
            And start your journey from the beginning - a new person.
  3. 0
    15 September 2015 14: 47
    Livanov is a scoundrel ... but the school system itself has nothing to do with it? The author of something wrong "smoked" at recess
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    2. +2
      15 September 2015 14: 56
      Nonsense. Well, now everyone drop out of school and run home? belay
      1. +10
        15 September 2015 15: 03
        No. Do not run away to your homes, as well as do not run to private schools (remember about private kindergartens - your hair moves). It is necessary to recall all Soviet developments, adapt them to modern realities and finally stop running advanced "experimental training programs". We found on whom to conduct experiments, on children with unformed thinking and psyche.
        First of all, two tasks need to be solved:
        1. Qualified teaching staff
        2. A unified system of education throughout the country so that a child moving with parents from district to district within the same city, let alone various cities, can calmly join the learning process, rather than feel like a complete nerd.
        1. +2
          15 September 2015 15: 57
          Quote: Corsair0304
          First of all, two tasks need to be solved:
          1. Qualified teaching staff
          2. A unified system of training nationwide
          ,



          I could not resist, except for the plus, I decided to clap my hands ...
        2. 0
          15 September 2015 16: 10
          Unfortunately, the teaching staff intensified began to degrade even under the USSR, the teaching profession has ceased to be prestigious and respected in society.
    3. +4
      15 September 2015 15: 13
      Quote: Goga101
      Livanov kanechna bastard.

      laughing 28th second.
      Quote: Goga101
      The author of something wrong "smoked" at recess

      Not at break, but instead of lessons! laughing
  4. 0
    15 September 2015 14: 49
    The article is similar to an advertisement of out-of-school education and, in general, complete nonsense.
    1. +3
      15 September 2015 15: 16
      In the USSR, an excellent system of extracurricular education for circles, sections, etc. was built. Where children went more willingly than to school.
      1. +6
        15 September 2015 15: 35
        Quote: Mother Teresa
        Where children went more willingly than to school.

        So we were interested in doing something with our own hands.
        Now people have been told that everything can be bought by taking a loan in order to live on credit. Which in itself is stupid.
        1. +2
          15 September 2015 16: 13
          In this, the whole snag of the teacher is not interested in what would interest the student, carry away instill a love for the subject. They are interested in classroom performance and order.
          1. 0
            16 September 2015 07: 15
            Quote: Mother Teresa
            In this, the whole snag of the teacher is not interested in what would interest the student, carry away instill a love for the subject. They are interested in classroom performance and order.

            Does the word "LAND" mean anything to you?
            1. 0
              16 September 2015 07: 37
              You are about the reforms of Alexander II.
              1. 0
                16 September 2015 07: 50
                I'm talking about Zemstvo doctors and teachers. As well as about the idea of ​​zemstvos-TOS.
                We must live for the sake of people, and not for the sake of money and other crap.

                1. 0
                  16 September 2015 11: 41
                  I got the opinion that we do not understand each other.
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    2. +2
      15 September 2015 15: 36
      The article is similar to an advertisement of out-of-school education and, in general, complete nonsense.


      Well, someone is seriously pushing for projects of "additional education". And at school it can only be tutoring and, of course, paid. So, dear parents, we bring our money to the tutors in friendly ranks, and for the rest we celebrate the "free education" commemoration. This is what the Ministry of Education is counting on.
  5. +10
    15 September 2015 14: 51
    Quote: Denis_469
    ... teach not so much knowledge as how to work with one’s own head.


    Unfortunately, the introduced exam system does not already teach this. It was introduced at a time when everything Western was considered good.

    Amer’s part of the population now does not know that the Earth revolves around the Sun; thinks that the first astronaut is Shepard; that the Second World War is an epic duel of the USA against Hitler (with a minor episode in which some unknown USSR participated).
    1. +1
      15 September 2015 15: 06
      I graduated from school in Russia in 1993. But he studied under the Soviet program. Therefore, he said what we were taught then.
  6. +1
    15 September 2015 14: 56
    Quote: B.T.W.
    The article is similar to an advertisement of out-of-school education and, in general, complete nonsense.

    I totally agree good And someone will explain what kind of extracurricular education - the certificate will also be extracurricular? what
    1. +6
      15 September 2015 15: 06
      By the way, Lomonosov also received an out-of-school education. Well, if you have a head on your shoulders. And diplomas currently do not play a special role, now universities come either in money or in knowledge, and about getting a job after a university - in general, a separate song. I met with such diplomats stupid, only given a marvel.
      1. +1
        15 September 2015 16: 02
        Quote: Corsair0304
        I met with such diplomas stupid, only a marvel was given.



        This is not the point ... there were such things in the USSR ... however, without a diploma you won’t go anywhere, even if you have any knowledge in your head ...

        And the above example of Mikhail Lomonosov is a completely different story and reality ... Why then didn’t they drag Leonardo da Vinci? Both the one and the other had so much knowledge, or — it would be better to say — self-knowledge that so far no such gifted people have been seen around ...

        And because the circle and volume of knowledge has expanded greatly, and it is thanks precisely to such people ...
  7. +9
    15 September 2015 14: 57
    The writer himself has no idea, and even the distant, which was taught, and excellent, until 1970. Further - TODAY the primary school children last year ALL, without exception, decided to exam for graduates. How failed graduates - is well known.
    So the fewer illiterate people in the leadership of the formations, starting with the ministry, the fewer such "well-wishers" to change everything - there will be at least some chance to return even a mediocre, I am silent about secondary education.
    Reference - the average graduate of the 8th grade of 1970 knew more than today's average graduate of the university. This, of course, is about general, not highly specialized knowledge.
    So - get ready for the new dark ages - already now about 30% are functionally illiterate, and from this year they are changing to "modernized", and the program for junior classes. They will no longer be able to solve even the senseless tasks of the exam.
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 15: 03
      Quote: metanik
      The writer himself has no idea, and even the distant, which was taught, and excellent, until 1970.


      The most interesting thing is that following the links, I did not find the author of this "masterpiece".
      1. -1
        15 September 2015 16: 08
        Quote: B.T.W.
        The most interesting thing is that following the links, I did not find the author of this "masterpiece".


        Pop Gapon ...
      2. +7
        15 September 2015 16: 19
        I graduated from high school in 1968. We already studied both old and new textbooks, and we didn’t have textbooks in some subjects. The reform of the school began in 10. It seems to me that it will never end. The article is polemical, not in that’s the essence of who the author is, but I consider part of the questions raised in the article both relevant and topical. First, our children are weaned from school and knowledge. My grandson went to preparatory class for two years, he was interested there. The kindergarten ended, the long-awaited school, can’t you recognize the month of the grandson? What’s the reason, he’s silent. Somehow he got him offended at school and the teacher became the bullying initiator. She didn’t like the lively, mobile boy. Two blows with a verbal hammer and the whole kid is broken. Now about the exam. The exam doesn’t teach you to think and all our education doesn’t teach you to think. And corsair1966 metanik is right that this education system prepares stupid performers who don’t think about the consequences of the decisions made. And I completely agree with corsar0304 that they come upits who for five years only unfastened money or dads studied for them. But talented guys came only half-educated. Moreover, in those disciplines that are needed in production and are rather difficult to study. Such as the organization of the technical process, the organization and equipment of workplaces. You ask why do not know? And in response, no one taught us this. Although at school, it was canceled on works in high school. And a number of commentators correctly say that the current system does not teach anything. It does not teach the main thing to think independently and work independently. Yes, but school or extracurricular education it’s a matter of everyone’s taste. There are pros and cons to each type of training.
        1. +1
          15 September 2015 21: 34
          Soglsen is almost complete. Only in the offer
          Quote: Amurets
          school or extracurricular education is a matter of taste
          would replace one word. I don't think this thing tasterather, opportunities. Suppose I don’t have the opportunity to give my child an extracurricular education that would be better school, why should I definitely prefer the out-of-school option? But the author suggests not to "load" this question
          give a child a happy life, without hesitation, take him out of school
          What is the author’s unwavering belief that Any extracurricular preparation of children is better than school, it remained incomprehensible to me. To prepare for the Unified State Exam and for a number of other additional controls is still, as I understand it, necessary. You can do this in many ways, but first you need to at least make sure if there are any among them that will turn out to be even worse than school ones in terms of developing the desire for knowledge, a voluminous vision of the world, and the ability to think. Is every parent capable of this kind of comparative analysis and responsible decision? I think no. Then it is not clear to whom this call is addressed to save children from the "pernicious influence of the school." The article leaves an ambiguous impression.
  8. 0
    15 September 2015 14: 59
    All right. One could supplement the list with physical inactivity and so on.
  9. +4
    15 September 2015 15: 03
    The school teaches the basics. The institute is taught to work independently. I remember they give a course subject and you already find the material you need (literature, manuals, etc.).
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 15: 07
      Quote: shurik-063
      The institute is taught to work independently


      In high school, at least earlier, they also taught independent work with material (abstracts, reports).
    2. +5
      15 September 2015 15: 10
      In times when you studied, perhaps. And now - the Internet is driving .. Sensitive teachers download a program that compares coursework texts on the Internet and gives% how much of the given studio work is directly delivered. And on the basis of this, a mark or offset is set.
      1. +2
        15 September 2015 15: 36
        Quote: Corsair0304
        And now - the Internet is driving ..


        Indeed, the "Internet rules". I found this "article" through the links on vospitaj.com. The impression is that this is a grant-eating site, and the phone code of the telecom operator is Kiev Star. Is he talking about anything ?!
  10. +6
    15 September 2015 15: 04
    Yes, you need to return the Soviet method of education, it was better than right now and this is a fact. (I have children studying at school and I have never seen such nonsense before, most textbooks are written by Americans)
    1. 0
      19 September 2015 09: 32
      Quote: Idunawa
      better than right now


      There is no such word "right now" in Russian. How many classes are behind you?
  11. +3
    15 September 2015 15: 04
    Dear grandparents, moms and dads, if someone has the opportunity to transfer a child to an out-of-school education, give the child a happy life without hesitation, take him out of school.
    Who then will work at work if everyone will sit at home and teach children? Homes will grow domestic, bully, unprepared people in society.
  12. +1
    15 September 2015 15: 05
    The article put a bold minus !!! The author in the studio !!! After all, he himself studied both at school and at the institute ... he got a good education, since he squeezes such articles, but advocates the elimination of school education ... I don’t understand ... Of course, not everything in the education system is alright, something must be changed of course it is necessary, but not to chop off the shoulder !!!
  13. +4
    15 September 2015 15: 09
    A very strange and harmful article. Of course, the education system must keep pace with the times, but the thoughtless implementation of a moronic education system for an exceptional nation will really lead us to the fact that schools will graduate 90% of idiots, and even paid universities and all 100%.
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 15: 24
      Quote: KRIG55
      Very strange and harmful article.

      go to the source site and immediately everything will fall into place
  14. +4
    15 September 2015 15: 12
    someone agrees, someone disagrees with this article, the man expressed his vision and well done even here in the comments a different vision. so it should be. and my opinion is that the conspiracy and the words of Alain Dulles continue to be implemented by the enemies slowly but surely from the Russians everyone wants to make a herd of fools who can be controlled. and it all starts from school The king was probably building a school on every far farm. and where is the school people stayed there. Now, in the villages of the school, first-aid posts were closed, where people were gone. The village was empty, there was no education, no medicine, no. Here are the words of the CIA director and they came true.
  15. +4
    15 September 2015 15: 12
    I graduated from high school in 1970. My son - in 1997, daughter - in 1999. Now grandchildren have gone. I can compare. The school is getting worse. (True, my grandchildren went to an Orthodox school - they are more like teaching us. It's about public schools.) Just because the school is bad now does not mean that the school is not needed at all. Need a good school. And at home - this is not a school. Remember the famous phrase that the rural teacher won the Great Patriotic War!
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 17: 43
      Quote: vsdvs
      Remember the famous phrase that the rural teacher won the Great Patriotic War!


      Well, 70 years earlier, Bismarck said that "the Prussian schoolteacher won the Franco-Prussian war."
    2. 0
      15 September 2015 17: 43
      Quote: vsdvs
      Remember the famous phrase that the rural teacher won the Great Patriotic War!


      Well, 70 years earlier, Bismarck said that "the Prussian schoolteacher won the Franco-Prussian war."
  16. +6
    15 September 2015 15: 12
    Hard to disagree. From the height of my 48 years, I can say for sure that neither at the institute nor at school it turned out I was never taught to think in images, to look for solutions, to make decisions. Now I look at my daughter and see that everything is the same. However, she is not the worst student. He tries, but ... yesterday they solved a simple problem: if you put a sunflower seed between two sheets of paper and squeeze it. Dark spots appear on the paper. Question: what is in these spots? what substance? . So she demanded an answer from me. But she herself didn’t want to think and find a SOLUTION. Knowledge stuck in a software vice does not teach to think. So what I came to 48 years old, I had to come in 12-18 years old. Adult teachers should teach me this. For this, in fact, they study at institutes. But later I studied at the pedagogical institute. Unfortunately, the same approach is there: thinking is not taken into account by knowledge, its sources, it is forced to memorize, only the degree of serration of this knowledge by pupils (students) is asked. And most importantly: the assessment is given precisely for the degree of serration, and not for Cognition and Understanding of the topic. Therefore, then when a person comes to the hospital and he is diagnosed with coronary heart disease, and he really just has a neurosis in the chest, then there is nothing surprising in this not. Who and how the doctor taught, we all know ...
  17. +7
    15 September 2015 15: 13
    A lot has already been said about the fact that the author is extremely wrong.
    I want to add that the author also juggles, if not lying. As an example:

    "Modern science has proven that a child learns effectively only when it is mistaken."

    Not this way. A child learns effectively not when he makes mistakes, but when he finds and corrects mistakes. Broadly speaking, he overcomes obstacles.
  18. +3
    15 September 2015 15: 13
    The article is sheer nonsense. The author, apparently, believes that children should not be taught at all. Let them play (about 60-70 years), and then - a pension (maybe) and a cemetery. Then the "losers" will become not 90%, but 100500%. Who is interested in learning the multiplication table, for example? AND? And without these basics, studying mathematics, algebra, geometry ... there is no point at all. And the dates of history and personality? At this point, if you haven’t LEARNED, then the meaning of studying, comprehending the past of your ancestors - becomes BREDYATINA.
    Author "-" for "brains on one side"!
  19. +2
    15 September 2015 15: 14
    I disagree with the author in almost everything. Not a school brings up these children, but people like Livanov.
    Theoretical physicist, married to the daughter of the rector, his curator, provided with forced career growth. Modernizer M.L. education.
    In December 2012, Livanov criticized the law prohibiting US citizens from adopting Russian orphans.
    In 1990-1992 he studied at the graduate school of MISiS, while working abroad under the experience exchange program.No one biography of Livanov does not mention where he worked abroad during his "studies" in graduate school.
    There is no FSB on him !!
  20. Platon Mironov
    -1
    15 September 2015 15: 17
    The article is a complete absurdity !!! The formation of every "little man" begins with a family. Initial knowledge is invested in the child by the parents, and the school only improves it. The desire for knowledge is inherent in every child, regardless of his origin. At school, the child receives communication skills in a team that will be useful to him for the rest of his life. The dead end of the school education system lies, in my opinion, in the very modern ill-considered transformations-reforms of this system, and not in the rejection of the school education system. Apparently the author of this article does not have his own children and talks about it by hearsay ...
  21. +5
    15 September 2015 15: 19
    A few reasons why school is bad
    - quote from the article.
    There is only one reason why school is bad today. It is that it is modern, i.e. translates into a modern Western style of teaching children, which leads to the complete degradation of man. It is necessary to return the old classical Russian school, and this modern harmful one - to destroy it in the bud.
    1. +6
      15 September 2015 15: 32
      Gavel, Light!
      In our youth, I remember, the first new textbooks appeared ..
      Someone was showing off .. and the children were injured: when there was something incomprehensible in physics, geometry, algebra in the new textbook - I took out my father's Stalinist yellowed books .. and everything was painted there ... Even the teacher was not needed .
      The problem, of course, is the new education policy.
      1. +4
        15 September 2015 16: 48
        Thra-ta-ta! These are not Stalin's old textbooks, but the famous textbooks that Lenin, Stalin studied, and even that little things were studied by gymnasium students and realists and not one generation of Soviet children. And you held in your hands the famous textbooks Mathematics Kiseleva and Physics Pyoryshkin . I don’t remember the authors of other textbooks, but how sad it was when they were canceled in 1965. And we finished grades 9-10 with virtually no textbooks, they simply weren’t.
  22. +2
    15 September 2015 15: 19
    Quote: Mother Teresa
    I remember the teaching "corps" in my school in the 70s-80s, foreign fashion magazines, the pursuit of clothes and scarcity, complete admiration for the West and longing that we all live here in this dull scoop.


    And then, the generation of our parents betrayed us all. It forgot what all this was for and what for. Us, the generation that was born in the 80s. Instead of trying to change the "dull scoop" around them, to change the country for which our grandfathers died, which built the best scientific school on the planet, was the first in space, nuclear technology, industry - they sold their souls to the West. And it was then that the USSR fell. And then we, the unborn children of our parents, were doomed to live in a wild, corrupt parody of the capitalist west.

    Once a veteran grandfather said to me: "We did not defend this country, but another, which no longer exists and which my children destroyed with their own hands. We were overlooked, under-educated."
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 22: 08
      Quote: Lumumba
      And then, the generation of our parents betrayed us all. It forgot why all this and why. ... they sold their souls to the west
      Since I relate specifically to this generation, which in the 80s created families and gave birth to children, I want to answer you. Blaming something the entire generation of Chokh, indiscriminately - this is how to blame some people - a sign of a narrow mind. Among all generations and peoples there are completely different people. And in this case, since you blame primarily your own parents, this is also a sign of bad manners.
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  23. 0
    15 September 2015 15: 20
    if someone has the opportunity to transfer the child to an out-of-school education - give the child a happy life, without hesitation, take him out of school.

    how do you imagine that?
  24. +1
    15 September 2015 15: 21
    A modern education system is imprisoned for narrow-profile specialists to solve the problems of big business. Diversified development is not welcome. Costs of the Bologna education system (this system is aimed at executing robots) It is time to roll back (at least partially) to the education system of the late USSR. Otherwise, we will lose entire generations completely In the 90s, youngsters were brought up with permissiveness by a porno openly and by a buck so now we are reaping the benefits in terms of the general culture and literacy of those who are in the region of 30-35 years old (a good example in Samara in a shop ** Pyaterochka ** About 35 year old booby knocked out an old lady with a blow in the jaw and if it weren’t for public resonance, there would be nothing
  25. -1
    15 September 2015 15: 21
    What did the author smoke?
  26. -1
    15 September 2015 15: 22
    As the majority was indignant.
    "complete absurdity, utter nonsense, idiocy"
    And indignant, just about 9 out of 10. Because all the graduates of this system.
    The author is almost right in everything.
    1. -1
      15 September 2015 15: 42
      you are an ignoramus, my friend. one of those who would show off "against the tide". selfist probably?
    2. Platon Mironov
      +1
      15 September 2015 15: 45
      Have you attended an intergalactic high school on the planet Mars? All educational institutions on the planet Earth fall under the definition of the author of the article: "school is evil" (regardless of their territorial location).
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 16: 34
        this attack, in general, why?
    3. +1
      15 September 2015 16: 42
      Somehow with a "bad" system of education, for 200 years, Russia for some reason has always been ahead in the number and quality of scientists who studied in "bad" schools. Even the West lured them away. And now, with a "good" Western school introduced we write the word "hedgehog" with four mistakes "yosh". We took first places at all the Olympics, and now? Instead of brains, there is now stupid memorization of questions EGE. It's not passing a real exam, there you need to understand the subject at least in a minimum. And even a call like-and what the hell to us schools! And what such ignoramuses will do with the country? You can look at our "favorite" government.
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 19: 32
        Quote: Tambov Wolf
        They took first places at all Olympics, and now? Instead of brains now stupid memorization of EGE questions.

        Here for this year.
        The Russian team won three gold medals and one silver at the international Olympiad in computer science.
        Earlier, Russian schoolchildren won four gold medals and one silver at the Olympiad in physics, and in biology - two gold, silver and bronze. The results of the International Chemistry Olympiad, which took place in Baku, were also good: our guys brought from there two "gold" and two "silver". But with mathematics, everything did not work out very well: this year there was not a single "gold", only six silver medals
        Where did this nonsense come from, from what archives. Already 10 years as another paradigm in education. It is not possible to remember all the discoveries of mankind, now they are learning to acquire knowledge. The problems of upbringing are relevant now. All permissions on the part of parents. No respect for elders and teachers. Confidence in impunity. Shoots of tolerance. Learning without education is immoral.
  27. +3
    15 September 2015 15: 23
    The modern school was created 200 years ago. This institution met the specific needs of the industrial age. At that time, production was rapidly developing in England.
    only what relation does Naglia have to the system of Russian-Soviet education ?!
    90% of students will not be successful people, they will live the lives of losers.
    what do you mean unsuccessful ?!
    For incorrect answers punished, put a deuce.
    it's not really a punishment
  28. +5
    15 September 2015 15: 24
    Quote: AIR-ZNAK
    A modern education system is imprisoned for narrow-profile specialists to solve the problems of large business. Diversified development is not welcome. Costs of the Bologna education system (this system is aimed at executing robots)


    Absolutely right. Conscientious school brought up in people systemic thinking, the ability to think analytically, autonomously, cut off the unnecessary from the right. This is not being taught now, alas.
  29. +2
    15 September 2015 15: 26
    The author is naive. It is not difficult to scold the modern school, but he draws conclusions completely childish. What does 90% of losers mean? Here I have 20 people subordinate. Are they all losers, but am I successful? And when I was an apprentice on the shift, was I a loser? Then, it turns out, abruptly stopped ...

    It’s time for all hamsters to slaughter on the tail: that’s why the school is called secondary, which gives a certain average level of knowledge. She teaches us to solve problems, and not look for ways to solve problems. Raising geeks is not the task of a school teacher.

    But there is another aspect: social. A person who is not able to live in society will never be successful. So the second main function of the school is social development. By transferring a child to a completely extracurricular education, you are almost guaranteed to make him a loser-loner.
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 15: 49
      Quote: RiverVV
      therefore, the school is called secondary, which gives a certain average level of knowledge

      actually not for that
  30. +2
    15 September 2015 15: 27
    The causes of today's evil must be sought in the past. The modern school was created 200 years ago. This institution met the specific needs of the industrial age. At that time, production was rapidly developing in England.

    Actually, the school system class - teacher - students originated in ancient Greece. It is a fact that some schools have turned into "gadyushniki". Then you need to write about it openly, but the author somehow started from afar.
  31. +5
    15 September 2015 15: 27
    In the article, only one thing is correct - you need to learn to think. My school is 64-74 years old. The teachers are great, taught to think creatively. Any mathematical problem was solved in several ways, in the classroom they always asked the question, "What do you think?" Your suggestions or suggestions. I received the first "tower" with a double effect. They almost forcibly hammered in knowledge and at the same time be sure to - "What will be your decision?" At the same time, those who wanted to gain knowledge received. Everything should be connected here - family, school, street, extracurricular hobbies such as fishing, etc. Only in this case a person becomes educated, not knowing everything, but educated, i.e. creatively capable of solving various problems.
    1. -1
      19 September 2015 09: 37
      Quote: Batia
      My school is 64-74 year.


      Then there was a school for a different economic model of the state. Today, the Gaidar feedstock model needs biorobots-consumers.
  32. +7
    15 September 2015 15: 30
    The author of course is a great original!

    But this does not mean that the problems he raised in the article do not exist. Any parent who studied at the Soviet school will agree with me that the modern school is not involved in child development in principle. Blind adherence to American educational standards in the 90s turned the child's development system into a system of "coaching." And to this day, the idiotic reforms have not deviated from the American patterns. And no matter how clever on TV our leaders are about the development of children and their high achievements in this area, our children graduate from school with a level of development absolutely incomparable with the Soviet one.
  33. +1
    15 September 2015 15: 31
    Quote: Denis_469
    What idiocy, not an article. At school, like a university, they teach not so much knowledge as how to work with their own heads. And there is never much knowledge - they are always lacking. Otherwise, physicists appear who have no idea about new discoveries and are convinced that superluminal velocities do not exist. Just because they don’t need it.

    That's right. My grandfather told me the same thing - always learn the granddaughter, knowledge and skills are not a burden on a long road to LIFE.
    I still try to do so, and if somewhere I doubt something not in bastard oops it is not a shame to ask a simple hard worker - what, how and why.
  34. +3
    15 September 2015 15: 33
    What to do?

    It’s time to bring to justice ministers-saboteurs!

    Numerous saboteurs, sent by our enemies at the beginning of perestroika to all government bodies of the country, continue to work actively, trying to bring maximum damage in all the most important areas of life of the people of Russia ...
    Just don’t say later that you don’t like the new laws if you do not control them and do not participate in the process of their creation.


    STATEMENT ON THE OPENING OF A CRIMINAL CASE REGARDING THE RF MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND SCIENCE D.V. LIVANOV

    May 30 this year a statement was sent to the General Prosecutor's Office and the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation with a request for initiation in relation to the Minister of Education and Science of the Russian Federation D.V. Livanov and other persons involved in the criminal case under Articles 285, 286, 285.1, 282, 136 and 357 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation of June 13.06.1996, 63 No. XNUMX-FZ. This statement is open for independent signing by concerned citizens of the Russian Federation and the emergency sending by them of this statement on their own behalf individually, individually or collectively
    detail link
    http://communitarian.ru/publikacii/obrazovanie/zayavlenie_o_vozbuzhdenii_ugolovn
    ogo_dela_v_otnoshenii_ministra_obrazovaniya_i_nauki_rf_dvlivanova_31052015 /

    1. 0
      15 September 2015 16: 48
      This is all good, but the Lebanese minister is an ally of our guarantor for the Ozero cooperative, that is. If the poetess Zhenya was so slightly scared for stealing huge amounts of money, then here in general no number with any statements will pass. The worst thing for a minister would be a translation by another minister or the head of a huge state company.
    2. 0
      19 September 2015 09: 41
      [quote = morozik] What to do?

      It’s time to bring to justice ministers-saboteurs!

      What does the ministers have to do with it? From a rearrangement of terms, the sum does not change. The raven was driven from the branches, they took off and sat on other branches. The crows are the same again. See the root. The raw material model needs to be changed.
  35. dmb
    +1
    15 September 2015 15: 36
    Oh, it seems to me that the author was planning a test at school, he cheated, and so that his father would not rip out with a belt for it, he sprinkled his "deep" thoughts on the Internet without signing up. Daddy for the belt. and he had a screen under his breath: "Look what smart people write, let's go daddy to the river to meditate." Only it will pull it out anyway.
  36. +1
    15 September 2015 15: 38
    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
    The main task facing the teaching corps in an educational institution is to form the learner’s ability to learn

    The main task is to milk the parents to the school fund (I don’t know who was banned in Sevastopol), class fund (Without this money, there are no washing or trash bags, nothing), to voluntary-compulsory excursions (the share of which drips to the director). Previously, our headmaster sawed teachers, those parents. Everything is unprovable. There were several cases a year in Ukraine, in Russia, too. And nothing.
    Task number two - to look good in reporting - you don't give a damn about children (not to teachers, but to teachers and directors), you give beautiful reporting!
    Oh, yes - task number 3 "demobilization chord" is to present the class with something weighty at the end of school - plasma, projector, laptop (the lists are the same everywhere). I generally keep quiet about the curtains.

    Sorry for the teachers - on the one hand they have a school administration that explicitly or implicitly presses them - grandmothers, you have half the parents in the class are entrepreneurs (90% of the unemployed and housewives are on the list of our class just in case), and on the other hand, the teacher ugly parents who rush (for the most part) with their only child (the most intelligent, honest, etc.) and believe that they know more than an experienced teacher!

    Article 100+ Strength and patience for nerve teachers!
  37. -1
    15 September 2015 15: 39
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Dirty article ..! I read these back in 90 ... The goal is to rebel and look for someone to blame! ..


    Well, MIHAN, there’s always Gapon pop. His name is Comrade Fursenko, who intensively pushed the EGE.
    Two brothers-acrobats - one ruined football, the other education. And "how much truth is in the eyes of state whores!" What bolt was to ruin the WORKING SYSTEM? Just look at those idiotic high school students who have been drinking beer in the morning. And take a look at their PISTOL-FREE teachers who were the same YESTERDAY. Got it, right? And the Chinese, by the way, have copied the entire Soviet education system in our country, and schoolchildren win their international Olympiads, although it is more difficult for them because of the language. So. I look at my children - they have not a brain, but a MOCC. Trouble ... Although you shouldn't be in a panic - Americans are even dumber. It remains only to make a dull face and say "GY!" ... It becomes easier to live straight ...
  38. +2
    15 September 2015 15: 44
    "Dear grandparents, mothers and fathers, if someone has the opportunity to transfer a child to out-of-school education - give the child a happy life, without hesitation, take him out of school "...

    Call for what ??? Anonymous author is somewhere in the clouds of his chaotic thoughts, not becoming attached to the realities of life ...

    Let's start with a cynical ... I didn’t attend school - I didn’t receive a certificate, but without a piece of paper you are a poop ...
    Secondly, whether you want it or not, but a little man must learn to live in a society of his own kind, and not become isolated in the circle of his family and tutor ...
    Thirdly, what is the percentage of Russians who have the opportunity to pay for the services of a tutor or teachers who truly have not only knowledge but also pedagogical talent ...
    Fourth, where so many talented teachers are willing and willing to work at home ...
    And in the fifth, and sixth, and hundred and fifteenth ...

    The Soviet school first of all taught to study ... And who wanted to - he studied ...
    We had problems with a lack of information materials, we had to run around the reading rooms (since you can't tear one book apart), bookstores, I remember how I hunted for a course in general physics (2 or 3 volumes - I don’t remember) academician Landsberg ... But I was not a nerd, absolutely ... I managed to do something sometimes (slightly) and study at 4 and 5. I just wanted to !!!

    Now the Soviet school has almost been killed - both general, primary, secondary and higher professional ... And the quality of the teaching staff in the majority leaves much to be desired ...
    However, children who want to study have something that we did not have - an immense amount of information at hand !!!

    And those who want to receive knowledge - get it, contrary to all the exam !!!
    And they enter the full-time, non-paid faculties of the leading Moscow and regional universities, and study in such a way that they receive scholarships of the highest rank ... And then they find a job for themselves, even employers offer it ... However, again, not everyone offers it, and to the one who with great desire and perfectly studied ...

    So - we will not talk about people like the Lebanese-Duranovs, we will say that a lot now depends on the family, on what WE, father-mother-grandmother-grandfather are laying in the child, and on how we slowly unobtrusively will push him to the desire to receive this knowledge ...

    PS The author again, imperceptibly-provocatively through the modern education system, led us to the realization that both the government is bad, and the country-state, and indeed kirdyk ...

    My opinion is in spite of the fact that the education system and our children are ruined, educating them at the level of slaves. still, the author is a provocateur ...
    1. +1
      15 September 2015 18: 21
      Yes! I agree! You ran a course in general physics and we have half of the textbooks under zero and two zeros. You can’t make notes from the library. You didn’t
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 20: 07
        Quote: Amurets
        ! You ran a course in general physics and we have half of the textbooks under zero and two zeros



        I ran for a course in general physics when I was in high school ...

        And when I received my first higher education, then, starting from the 2nd year, I had the same story - almost all the textbooks, as you say, were zero, that is, secret and top-secret ...

        However, in my first year as well as in your first year, there were no secret textbooks ...

        And in general, you (and I and you) have gone aside ... The problem has been raised in general education, we have gradually expanded it ...
        1. +1
          16 September 2015 05: 33
          Yes, I completely agree.
  39. +3
    15 September 2015 15: 46
    So what? Look for private teachers, pay money (money again) and you will be fine? At the very least, all our brilliant designers graduated from our schools. The author, apparently does not know about it. Fat minus article! And it is necessary to reform the education system, but not in the way it happens. And progress does not mean that school curricula must be changed every year. A good basic education and provides food for further self-education and development. I think so.
    1. +2
      15 September 2015 17: 02
      All our "brilliant" reformers also graduated from the Soviet school.
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  40. -1
    15 September 2015 15: 48
    The article is correct! Constant pressure and humiliation at school for poor performance creates serious psychological problems in the future. Personally, I was interested in studying only in the 5-7 class, the rest is a mockery of the unstable children's psyche. But somehow the desire for self-education outside the school curriculum spontaneously appeared and it took me to adulthood. For most former classmates, knowledge ended immediately after graduation. That's what stupid cramming leads to, and you see, they were excellent students, unlike me.
  41. +5
    15 September 2015 15: 51
    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
    consists in the formation of the learner’s skill to learn,
    I dare to correct, not a skill but a motivation for learning.
  42. 0
    15 September 2015 15: 52
    Initially, the school as a tool for obtaining knowledge cannot be harmful, while the material is obliging students not only to think, but to engage in the process of thinking, until there is a level of skill in approaching the student as a person. as soon as all children are turned into a certain mass of faceless and crazy seekers of an answer to a question and not thinking over the option of choosing and solving a problem precisely by reflection, then the school alas becomes a conveyor of average people, sort of like people, but who do not know how to comprehend information and draw the right conclusions.
  43. +5
    15 September 2015 15: 56
    The author of the article presents the course of teachers who believe that if a child is brought up only by a carrot, then he will grow up as a person and a genius. Most representatives of this trend are not professional educators.
    1. A child brought up by some gingerbread cookies becomes a person only if he has an individual teacher who devotes his life to raising this particular child, the idea is well described by the Strugatsky, but unfortunately it’s utopian: in the country of 14 million schoolchildren, where can I find a teacher for everyone?
    2. the child learns with interest if the teacher in his eyes is a dominant, now it is very rare, especially in high and high school, there are many reasons, both economic and social.
    3. the most important mistake of representatives of free education / training: the child is considered a person commensurate with the teacher, it is not so the teacher is built into the social system consciously accepts social restrictions and attitudes (for example, that swearing another person is not good: you can get administrative proceedings or by physiognomy). the child does not have this, he only imitates social activity.
    4. proponents of free development believe that by creating conditions it is possible to ensure that the child himself receives knowledge, but for one this period will take 1 year, for another 10 years, and for the third 50. People need society at 18 years old, this is a state requirement (army, elections), both social and economic.
    5. Soviet education was very good, but it involved all spheres of the state from cartoons to distribution after high school. Now this is impossible, there is simply no such consolidation of society and political power.
    Conclusion: modern pedagogy is in crisis: it is impossible to raise a child with punishment, it is impossible to raise a child with encouragement. There is no way out under the existing legal model.
    Before writing comments, I ask you to think about the question: do you agree that your teacher would beat your only child, even a girl, on the lips with a mat in the lesson?
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 16: 53
      Quote: xorgi
      Do you agree that your teacher would hit your only child, even a girl, on the lips with a mat in the lesson?

      Few will agree, but when I see such "kids" on the street, the thought comes that this is a necessary matter!
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 18: 12
        Yes, and the teacher sees this (mate, rudeness and humiliation) almost every day
  44. 0
    15 September 2015 16: 15
    This set of letters, proudly named article, why is it posted on VO ??? He has a place for "let them talk" or something else empty. And then why this bilibird? A provocation, a call to angry emotions and abuse from ordinary people?
    This aftor is given by the phrase "five dollar chip", at least translated into rubles or yuan) yuan is more relevant for chips)))
  45. +3
    15 September 2015 16: 27
    Just at school they don’t learn to think. And they learn to solve quickly, without delving into the essence. Teachers stupidly drive the program. And who has learned or not, they do not care. They are preparing for the Unified State Examination and the State Academic Examination so that the school scores more points. And how many of the smart graduates? Just 1 out of 10, because he thinks, thinks. Each school boasts that it has many teachers of the highest and first category. But most of them are boring, dreary. After such lessons I do not want to learn. There is no hitch, no optimism. I repeat, stupidly read out the material (Drive the program).
  46. +5
    15 September 2015 16: 28
    The author is absolutely right.
    The modern school teaches very poorly - even harms.
    Teaches to remember mechanically, not think.

    When a child enters a university, he has to relearn.

    I myself remember how very difficult it was in the first year — all school skills turned out to be harmful — it is impossible to master the university material with such methods (which is 100 times the volume of school material).
    Some of my friends dropped out of the university in the first year ... but then (after they realized that we needed to study differently) they rebuilt and started to study perfectly - with a red diploma.

    Now one such friend of mine is a very successful programmer.
  47. +2
    15 September 2015 16: 29
    One young man, watching the philosophers of Ancient Greece, thought: "They sit, talk all day, in general, not life, but raspberries." He came and said to the philosopher: "May I be your student?" "You can, but first you must study geometry and other sciences." So before you can learn to think, you still need to accumulate knowledge, learn logic and other wisdom. The teaching technique must be changed: there are many subjects, it is difficult to keep up with all of them. In addition, it is desirable that physical education was daily in the fresh air, otherwise physical health weakens.
  48. +2
    15 September 2015 16: 37
    Quote: Denis_469
    At school, like a university, they teach not so much knowledge as how to work with their own heads.

    Yes. In theory. In practice, unfortunately, most often it turns out as described in the article. The teacher, for his convenience (and to increase the percentage of academic performance in the classroom) drives (tries to fit) ALL students to the same framework. And who does not match, he is a bully and underperforming.
  49. +1
    15 September 2015 16: 46
    It is imperative to introduce separate education - male and female gymnasiums, as before. This will throw a lot of dope out of the head of adolescents and improve the educational process. In men's schools, the overwhelming majority of teachers must be men, especially in the older grades.
    1. +1
      16 September 2015 04: 42
      Dope is now in contact via ICQ and more. Teachers should be such that nonsense was on the 16th place after study, sports, art and other components of education.
  50. 0
    15 September 2015 16: 46
    What a nasty feeling from the article. "Children love to play" ... My friend has been living in Finland for a long time. The eldest has already finished school, and the youngest is in the 5th grade. So they learn in a playful way, everyone plays and plays. As a result, they are glad that the elder sometimes earns money for cigarettes and movies. They compared the school curriculum with ours, the guy is not even familiar with the designations of physical quantities. A friend is surprised that our children are passing math. There is childhood, a period when a person plays. And there is adolescence, youth, when it's time to learn.
  51. +1
    15 September 2015 16: 47
    There are only 2 answers in tasks - correct and incorrect. Thus, children begin to see the world flat. Many tasks, in fact, can have thousands of the right solutions.
    It’s extremely interesting what APtor meant, the course of the decision or the decision itself, if it’s a move then yes there can be many of them (including through F, for which we were given a bad mark), but the decision itself can really only be one, well, if we don’t say about sophistry or quibble
  52. +1
    15 September 2015 16: 47
    “Modern science has proven that a child learns effectively only when he makes mistakes. Schools do everything to develop in children a fear of mistakes...” ... extremely wrong!!...listen to the intelligent Bill Gates

    “However, school abolished the division into winners and losers, life did not. Some schools stopped giving bad grades and allowed people to take the test as many times as they wanted. This has nothing to do with what happens in real life.” B. Gates
  53. +2
    15 September 2015 16: 51
    For some reason I remembered how the “teacher” in Russian literature gave me 2 points for an essay because I wrote (in democratic Russia in the late 90s) that the Bolsheviks were positive characters during the Civil War and in general the Revolution was a just cause!
    I also remembered that all the years of my studies she wore the same stretched knitted dress and drank in the evenings with her drunkard husband, but at the same time she fiercely and furiously hated the “scoop” and its “equalization”.
    As long as there are such “teachers” there will be no normal school!
  54. +2
    15 September 2015 16: 53
    If you do everything as described in the article, the person will forever be separated from the team and will definitely become a loner, without friends and acquaintances. School is needed in any case, you don’t even have to think about it. But the approach to teaching in our schools urgently needs to be changed, without looking back at the Western education system. In Russia, everything should be its own, even teaching methods should be our own, and not copied!
  55. 0
    15 September 2015 16: 55
    School is a place where cobblestones are polished and diamonds are damaged.
  56. +2
    15 September 2015 17: 02
    All the costs of modern education (secondary) are reflected in the author’s article.
    In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with school (as an educational institution). Maybe it’s the school that is the 11 steps of the ladder that leads to that cherished door behind which you can live happily ever after? And communication with peers during the learning process, learning about the world with peers will not replace learning with an adult (teacher)...
    Like Mayakovsky:
    Joyfully take the book and go to class!
    Arm yourself with a textbook-book!
    From childhood, develop and move your brains!
    Remember about school - only with it you will become a builder of joyful days!

    good
  57. -1
    15 September 2015 17: 36
    not true
    we have wonderful smart children
    article in slag
  58. 0
    15 September 2015 17: 39
    Quote: xorgi
    Before writing comments, I ask you to think about the question: do you agree that your teacher would beat your only child, even a girl, on the lips with a mat in the lesson?


    No, I am for the Administrative Code to stipulate that parents are responsible for the behavior of minors. And fine. Seriously. Then let's see what place your only child will get at home? And then fight the guardianship. She will soon give up too.
  59. -1
    15 September 2015 17: 40
    The article is complete nonsense. Education MUST BE CLASSICAL. Today's surrogates only breed de b i l o v!
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 19: 32
      Quote: Old Warrior
      The article is complete nonsense. Education MUST BE CLASSICAL. Today's surrogates only breed de b i l o v!

      Education should be narrowly specialized and not teach everything you need and don’t need.
  60. -1
    15 September 2015 17: 48
    Just damn simple. Write to anyone to chat.
  61. +4
    15 September 2015 17: 59
    Once at a parent meeting we started talking with the class teacher about teaching methods. She says that she is not supposed to teach children (sixth grade), that she only guides them. The parents immediately had a legitimate question: “Why are you called a teacher and not a guide?”
  62. 0
    15 September 2015 18: 22
    Aw! Who is here for the content of the site aboutdoes it sound?! What kind of blatant stupidity did they squeeze out?
    The author confused school with kindergarten: “We know that children love to play. This way, learning happens tens of times faster than at a desk.”
    fellow
    Do you want to invite students to try to deduce a theorem on their own, using the tongue to try the contents of a test tube, feel the electric current with their fingers, intuitively determine the time of plant development, look for newborn brothers in cabbage,......?
    And of course, come up with the History of Humanity yourself, try to be not readers, but writers, because... Will the Internet accept all writers? belay
    What is extracurricular education? At home playing with the governess? Are there any governesses with academic knowledge? They will only teach you how to quickly put on your pants.
  63. -2
    15 September 2015 18: 25
    A typical article by a XNUMX-year-old: I learned to write, but not to think.
  64. -1
    15 September 2015 18: 27
    a lot of letters, and no specifics! AND THE MAIN MAIN THING IN REPLACE IS WHAT DO YOU OFFER, HOW TO CHANGE THE EDUCATION SYSTEM SPECIFICALLY?
    1. 0
      19 September 2015 09: 45
      Quote: free
      a lot of letters, and no specifics! AND THE MAIN MAIN THING IN REPLACE IS WHAT DO YOU OFFER, HOW TO CHANGE THE EDUCATION SYSTEM SPECIFICALLY?


      The economic model of the state orders education. Today it is raw materials. It fulfills its task, i.e. prepares biorobot consumers. We need a Second Industrialization on a new digital basis.
  65. +1
    15 September 2015 18: 32
    The correct article.
    Current education (by the way, like Soviet education) is nothing more than
    LIKBEZ.
    elimination of illiteracy. “Eliminating,” so to speak, the desire in children to understand the world. By shooting hundreds of thousands of unfortunate female teachers who gave up their personal happiness for a dead-end business.
    Absolutely no one is to blame for this. People in general are prone to misconceptions.
    Maybe all is not lost yet?
    Maybe replace LIKBEZ with lekbez?lecture conversation?
    By the way...write it down. laughing new author's word. laughing
    Those who are capable of knowledge should study.
    And the rest in the field laughing Russian field! Long overgrown with weeds.
    Who said that education is only possible at school?
    Both a combine harvester and a barn can become desks. And let the champions and zealous defenders of “education” think about how to describe all the theorems around rural life, using the example of their small families.
    And heating science with wood (desks) is not a tricky business.
    Eh.. stupid roads.
  66. PPD
    -2
    15 September 2015 18: 51
    The article is not stupidity, but purposeful swearing. For what? It is unlikely that the intentions are good.
    What right does the author have to talk about our children and education like that? He's a teacher - no! He constantly sees a bunch of children and their abilities in close contact? Also no! He personally communicates with a large number of children, sees them in their development and compares them with each other. Also no!
    We have very capable and creative children. And they are developing well. Most of them are more capable than previous generations. Well, helping them develop is also our task!
  67. +4
    15 September 2015 19: 16
    Judging by their classmates, the medalists have achieved little in life than the average students who studied between 3 and 4.
    1. +2
      15 September 2015 19: 30
      Quote: Vishnevsky
      Judging by their classmates, the medalists have achieved little in life than the average students who studied between 3 and 4.

      Cramming everything is completely useless!
  68. 0
    15 September 2015 19: 25
    You give a normal narrow-profile education so that you don’t learn too much !!!
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 22: 16
      Quote: AndruxaX
      .... normal narrow-profile education so as not to learn too much!

      ??
      Dear, will parents choose the profile? Or will schools make a selection when admitting them? And then after each class they will drop out to the “forest school”?
      Does the child have enough experience to judge the necessary and unnecessary knowledge? Have you ever regretted the lack of additional and broader knowledge? Don't you regret that... Languages ​​were not taught diligently when brains were more receptive and there was time.
      For example, biology and botany can give many ideas to an engineer, physicist, or chemist.
      A person can choose a specialization when he has a choice and an idea of ​​the type of occupation in his specialty.
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 22: 20
        Quote: Kite
        Quote: AndruxaX
        .... normal narrow-profile education so as not to learn too much!

        ??
        Dear, will parents choose the profile? Or will schools make a selection when admitting them? And then after each class they will drop out to the “forest school”?
        Does the child have enough experience to judge the necessary and unnecessary knowledge? Have you ever regretted the lack of additional and broader knowledge?
        For example, biology and botany can give many ideas to an engineer, physicist, or chemist.

        Well, we learn everything up to the 5th grade, then we can divide the general directions: humanities, engineering, and in grade 8 we can split it further.
        And then as a person wants: if he likes a non-core subject, let him teach, but not in a mandatory manner for everyone
        1. 0
          16 September 2015 01: 31
          Quote: AndruxaX
          Well, we learn everything until the 5th grade, then we can divide it up.....

          The existing system (or the remnants of the legacy) structures the process of selection and specialization. An ordinary secondary school is the minimum (for average development), those who want to study, those who find it difficult simply spend time in the company of their peers. Then you can go to work in production (but not at the age of 12 from school to become an apprentice). If you have a penchant for humanitarian studies, then in school, it’s hard to strain your brain, then take courses, there is a craving for science, then in tech. university, and further into the depths of the specialty.
          It’s just that you can’t exclude a child from school who is labeled “unteachable,” and you can’t group them together.
          Isn’t it strange that they decided to discuss this problem on this site? How many of those participating in the discussion have sufficient experience in acquiring knowledge and teaching others. When teaching a child to try, you need to instill in him that he can do all this, and not have an extra heaviness in his head. (it is assumed that we are talking about normal children, without severe heredity and brain injuries)
          1. 0
            16 September 2015 17: 23
            Quote: Kite
            The existing system (or the remnants of the legacy) structures the process of selection and specialization. An ordinary secondary school is the minimum (for average development), those who want to study, those who find it difficult simply spend time in the company of their peers. Then you can go to work in production (but not at the age of 12 from school to become an apprentice). If you have a penchant for humanitarian studies, then in school, it’s hard to strain your brain, then take courses, there is a craving for science, then in tech. university, and further into the depths of the specialty.

            Of course, I judge by myself, I didn’t like all this bunch of compulsory subjects, but you know, after school the situation didn’t really improve. Both at the technical school and at the university, they again shove non-core knowledge that I don’t need. FOR THE FUCK!!!111 am
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      3. 0
        15 September 2015 22: 36
        Quote: Kite
        Or will schools make a selection when admitting them?
        With the help of astrology: all lions study to be bosses, Sagittarius - to become military men, etc. smile
        1. 0
          16 September 2015 01: 37
          Shall we start breeding astrologers even more intensively?
  69. +6
    15 September 2015 19: 45
    At school, a nation, a people, is formed. That's why the teacher wins wars. Today, the Gaidar raw materials model of the economy rules the roost, the dead end of which is already obvious. It is the economic system that orders the school for a specific person. This model needs a mindless consumer, a biorobot, as its output. The teacher is not at school today. There is a soulless official sitting there or overseeing the Unified State Examination and waving carrots and sticks in the form of grades. She doesn't care about the child as she continuously writes reports. A child comes to first grade capable, naturally charged with knowledge and creativity, with open and honest faces. A forest of hands on all subjects, a desire to show oneself from the best side, to stand out. By the 10th grade, there is weariness, disbelief, indifference and cynicism in the eyes. You can’t force someone to go to the board and answer the material at a good level with a stick. Who made them like this? I think not Pushkin. If there are leaders in some subjects in the class, it is not because of the school, but in spite of it. Behind their talent and abilities are very often their grandparents and parents and activities outside of school, where the attitude towards the child is completely different. Children do not follow the subject, but the teacher. There is a personality of the teacher, there is an interest in the subject. Such a teacher does not humiliate with grades, shouts and insults. A teacher at school gives a D or C on a large score not to the student, but to himself. She publicly admits her incompetence, limitations and unprofessionalism, unwillingness to show the beauty of her subject and captivate her. Then she proudly, with a straight face, drags this harvest of twos home in her bag. Life will pass and there will be nothing to remember. Assessments today are an anachronism. We need a point system that does not humiliate people. The 40st century is already outside the window and approaches must be different. A child and teenager remembers any humiliation all his life until death, and many never realize themselves in life. If a child meets a real teacher, then he is already very lucky in life. School, of course, is needed, but with separate education for boys and girls. Girls develop three years earlier, so there are many distractions from their studies. But also so that boys become men, warriors and real fathers, and girls retain their femininity and become real mothers without tattoos and cigarettes in their teeth. Technical breakthrough of the USSR in 50-60-XNUMX. made by designers and scientists who underwent Soviet separate training. Disadvantages of the article were given by forum participants who were far from the topic, reasoning from the auditorium, without information about what was happening there, in the teachers’ room behind the scenes. The topic needs to be raised; it is large, multifaceted and painful. Children will replace us, and we should all be concerned about what they will be like throughout the entire vertical of the state. But with this raw materials model, changes for the better cannot be expected. That’s why parents’ souls hurt, and they are looking for smart teachers on the side. Article plus without reservations. I'm for a new school.
    1. -1
      15 September 2015 19: 49
      I agree, education needs to be specialized, otherwise when you are forced to shove 20 subjects that are not necessary for life and work, then you will win.
      1. 0
        16 September 2015 14: 01
        Can you estimate, given the reduction in horizons and breadth of knowledge, what percentage of people who survived the global catastrophe will be able to restore civilization and pass on the maximum amount of knowledge and experience to new generations? The simplest question: Will a narrow-minded programmer be able to find the path (on the ground) to the Archive, dismantle obstacles at the entrance, launch the database and find the desired answer, will he be able to turn on a computer (not a PC) without restoring the power, having no idea about the issues in the sections of the database knowledge?
        Isn’t it a shame that only general knowledge will remain: arithmetic, the alphabet and everyday oral speech. And for our descendants the Earth will again become flat under the crystal dome of the sky.
        1. 0
          16 September 2015 17: 32
          Quote: Kite
          Can you estimate, given the reduction in horizons and breadth of knowledge, what percentage of people who survived the global catastrophe will be able to restore civilization and pass on the maximum amount of knowledge and experience to new generations? The simplest question: Will a narrow-minded programmer be able to find the path (on the ground) to the Archive, dismantle obstacles at the entrance, launch the database and find the desired answer, will he be able to turn on a computer (not a PC) without restoring the power, having no idea about the issues in the sections of the database knowledge?
          Isn’t it a shame that only general knowledge will remain: arithmetic, the alphabet and everyday oral speech. And for our descendants the Earth will again become flat under the crystal dome of the sky.

          No, of course he can’t, but you have to agree that it’s paranoid to build education around the prediction of a global catastrophe.
          1. 0
            19 September 2015 15: 01
            This is not an expectation of disaster, but a particularly illustrative example of the fact that with a narrow specialization, your knowledge and skills will be very, very small, negligible. And narrow specialization reduces the ability to think, understand and create new things.
    2. -2
      16 September 2015 01: 54
      Are you going to pin your blame on the teachers? (the teacher is a soulless official, .....) And you explained to your child why he should study, why studying is work, and the work of a teacher is even greater. For example, I told my children: “You should ask the teacher, not him you. You should forgive him for his failures after the tenth attempt at explanations for those who are especially “alternatively gifted,” because it is very difficult and if I were forced to replace the teacher, then after the first lesson, many “gifted” would become crippled.”
      There is something to compare with in personal experience. The sister often spoke badly about the teachers in front of the child, and this was adopted by her son. I couldn't completely fix it.
      Inspired and remembered: “The best teacher is Time, but unfortunately, this teacher kills his students.”
  70. -2
    15 September 2015 19: 52
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Dirty article ..! I read these back in 90 ... The goal is to rebel and look for someone to blame! ..

    Comrades! I believe that this article is just a provocation.
    At the same time, the current school is not the Soviet one - today children are trained to successfully pass tests (guessing games - who knows), but before they were given extensive knowledge about life in all its manifestations - they were taught to think, and most importantly - they were taught to be able to find where to get information (again for those in the know). I won’t say anything at all about the formation of personality in a team and society.
  71. -2
    15 September 2015 20: 37
    I fundamentally disagree with the author of the article; they have already destroyed the Soviet education system, which had many shortcomings but worked. It is precisely what they have created in recent years that has distorted the whole meaning of education; teachers are forced to write a million pieces of paper instead of teaching. As you know, breaking is not building, and it doesn’t take much intelligence to do it. Regarding employment after education, this is not so much the fault of the schools as of the entire system; if you don’t have a job, even if you’re a genius, you won’t get a job. And the worst thing, in my opinion, is that they threw away the entire system of technical education and humiliated the profession itself, now everyone wants to be lawyers and officials
  72. 0
    15 September 2015 21: 16
    An article on the topic of the day, everything is spot on. Russia is under pressure from a powerful flow of substituted concepts, distorted meanings, the removal of deep Knowledge through the deprivation of Letters of their Images (trimming the Primer to 33 letters and separating them from the Images, which they actually reflect in their outline, etc.) But O-Co-Knowledge comes, the process of restoration of Rus' (Rus - Bright Place) has been launched.
  73. +1
    15 September 2015 21: 24
    I have friends who are already trying their best to pretend to be Old Believers. Quite fashionable over the last 10 years, by the way.
    So there are seven children in the shops, as they say, there were conversations several years ago with criticism of the comprehensive school. They say they don’t teach anything smart there, but our children need something a little different and a lot of things like that. But as practice has shown, no individual, correct and very smart teachers were found for such individual gifted children. Even if there was someone (from the teachers of the same secondary school) to teach these independent children. It somehow quickly disappeared, since all this already costs money, and quite a lot (unlike the free state one)
    So, they wised up, made smart faces and now take all their children to an ordinary city school. No, of course you can’t carry them, let them sit at home and gain their wits themselves... isn’t that funny?

    The fact that children are heavily loaded in a modern school is all for the good; the more information passes through, the faster the brain begins to analyze and process it. A brilliant idea cannot be born in an empty head; it simply will have nowhere to come from.
  74. +1
    15 September 2015 21: 36
    Quote: Vladimir 1964
    And to this day, the idiotic reforms have not deviated at all from American patterns.

    And all this was done under the slogan “The education system is hopelessly outdated.” They destroyed the best education in the world. They replaced it with the Bologna system, which is recognized as flawed throughout the world. In science there has always been something new that is well forgotten and old. Fina have completely returned to the German (read Soviet) education system and are now the first in Europe.
  75. 0
    15 September 2015 21: 47
    90% of students will not be successful people, they will live the lives of losers.

    Well, not everyone can be Nobel laureates or deputies, someone needs to stand at the supermarket checkout and go down into the mine, and in any case these will be the majority, so it makes sense to reform the system mass education for the production of one-piece copies of geniuses. Geniuses will make their way anyway, but the school must first of all instill discipline and obedience; these qualities are more important for the masses than knowledge and intelligence
  76. -1
    15 September 2015 21: 58
    The article is frankly sabotaging. The article is minus, I wish the author a speedy departure to Europe, naturally with his family, if there is one. Because there’s no point in creating idiots here...
  77. 0
    15 September 2015 22: 17
    The author is a liberal! Or gets money from them! He is engaged in open propaganda in the interests of the West! With good intentions, they want to completely destroy the education system! Of course, it’s easier to manage stupid ignoramuses - They will surrender their homeland to the US State Department for a liver!
  78. -1
    15 September 2015 22: 18
    For me, the first thing we need to do is close the Ministry of Education, transferring the functions of distributing money to schools to divisions of the Ministry of Finance. Secondly, close the so-called pedagogical universities, where swarms of “wasps” and “drones” breed, but not “bees”. Those who feel the calling of a teacher, who are drawn to pass on their knowledge to others, and there are many of them in ordinary universities, both humanities and engineering, let them complete special courses - one-year or six-month, where they will receive the basics of pedagogy and childhood psychology. And then teachers must come to school for a competition, which the schools themselves will hold, for example, in the summer. Today, “teachers” take two-month vacations at cheap Turkish-Egyptian resorts, instead of undergoing strict certification. Of course, these ideas need to be worked out and calculated. But today's system of higher pedagogical education can no longer be tolerated. It was she who brought the school to a depressing state of decline that articles appear about the “cancellation” of the school altogether!
  79. +1
    15 September 2015 22: 24
    I read the article and commented with even greater interest. This means that the article touched a nerve. Not everything in the article can be agreed with, but it is polemical. And school, both higher and secondary, every school had its pros and cons. She was not “two-dimensional”, flat. And many who wrote are right, to a greater or lesser extent, but right.
    I graduated from school in 1972. And since my father was a military man, I had to change many schools. And what I absolutely agree with comrade Corsair0304The point is that for the vast majority of schools the program should be unified, as it was before (when I studied). When you moved to another school or to another city, you did not find yourself in a situation where there was a different program. Well, along the way, a few comments on comments laughing

    Quote: aleks_29296
    Old teachers at the institute taught that an engineer cannot know everything, but he must know where to find information and how to use it correctly. On exams, they even allowed me to use literature and lectures, citing the fact that if you do not know, then stupid cheating will not give you anything, in principle it was. In practice, this method of training now gives a good result. Conclusion - you need to learn, first of all, to think with your head.

    This happened at the university. The strength of materials teacher used this. But there were others, after which the desire disappeared. For example, when, after an illness before the session, you pass all the labs in almost 2 days, receive a test, and at the exam, you answer, receive in addition a dozen or two additional questions, and as a result the teacher says: “You know, H.H. ., I noticed that you, unlike your excellent students, do not memorize the material, but you see, I like the depth of your answers. Go three. Will there be a desire after such a teacher?

    Or another example. English teacher. 5-6 years older than us. At one of the first lessons she stated the following. “Guys! You will learn grammar in 2nd and other courses. My task is to teach you to speak English fluently.” And she taught me. We went to language classes with pleasure, understanding that there would be something new, something unusual. We moved on to the second year, but this teacher was no longer there. "Attened." She allegedly violates the established teaching methodology. And the fact that her students could speak fluently and could not write down given topics (such as “a story about the institute”) from the board behind the teacher, but tell them themselves - this, alas, did not count. And they “beat” me, incl. for not writing from the board...

    Quote: Alexey RA
    In general, it seems that the teachers believed that since a person tried, rewrote notes/wrote spurs, then something remained in his head.

    It was like that.
  80. +1
    15 September 2015 22: 25
    Quote: Mother Teresa
    The Soviet school itself was rapidly decomposing. There were a lot of people who needed two things: order in the classroom and accountability. And to instill in children an interest in their subject, to interest, to captivate, no, as one teacher told me without witnesses, "I don't get paid for this." And the eternal answer of all teachers is that children are stupid, but before they were completely different.

    This, unfortunately, began back in the mid-60s, when reporting became paramount. But even then there were dedicated teachers who did not say the phrase “I’m not getting paid for this.” And in one historian’s lesson you could hear a fly fly by, and in another, on the last, and not only the last, desk they were playing cards.

    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    And I don’t, I was constantly underestimated for bad behavior. But behavior is not a criterion of knowledge and skills. But I was never afraid of exams, like deuces.

    Not a criterion of knowledge. But it was very difficult for a guy with bad behavior to get an A, even if he answered great. I wasn’t afraid of exams either - I studied for a long time in Ukraine, and there EMNIP exams were held every year from the 4th or 5th grade, and not only in the 8th and 10th grades, as in Russia.

    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    The main task of the education system as a whole is to teach a person to think and learn independently. And this is a problem not only and not so much of Russia as the global one.

    Agree. And the main thing is not to discourage learning through formalism.

    Quote: Corsair0304
    ...We need to remember all the Soviet developments, adapt them to modern reality and finally stop launching advanced “experimental training programs”...
    ...First of all, we need to solve two problems:
    1. Qualified teaching staff
    2. A unified system of training nationwide

    Well, there is nothing wrong with an experimental program, unless of course it is in 2nd or 4th grade. When we were 8, we had an experimental history textbook. But the experiment lasted only six months (if sclerosis serves me correctly) and only in one class.
    I answered the second question a little earlier - I agree 100%. But the first one is more difficult. Qualified staff is only one of the factors. It is required that the teaching profession be prestigious, incl. and financially

    And further. The education system should not be skeletal, settled once and for all. Unfortunately, if we get anything from the West, it is, alas, not the best. We can talk about this a lot and for a very long time.
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  82. Erg
    -1
    15 September 2015 22: 26
    The article is complete nonsense. "A person learns by making mistakes. Children are afraid to make mistakes, so they are not incapable of learning..." fool
  83. +2
    15 September 2015 22: 51
    Nothing is outdated! On the contrary, it has been updated and is now churning out half-educated bullies and half-educated majors. If it had remained Soviet, today it would not be scary to go to see a doctor.
  84. +2
    15 September 2015 22: 59
    Quote: Mahmut
    Schools do not exist to develop creative curiosity in a child. Its task is to prepare a person for adulthood. And life is a cruel thing. Whether we like it or not, 90% of the population will work with gears in production. Inability to obey discipline, incontinence in statements and actions will lead a person to a job loss, or even to deprivation of freedom, much faster than his lack of ability to see the outside world outside of the box. Of course, the child’s creative abilities need to be developed, but not at the expense of budgetary institutions.

    What nonsense? Who taught you there, even at university, about female-male relations? Who taught you the principles of communication in society? Who taught you psychology and psychoanalysis, at least for themselves? Who taught you self-knowledge there? Who taught you to think not only about yourself, but also about those around you, and to work with your own egoism? Who taught you about relationships with children, so as not to make a wild number of mistakes with your own when they appear? What about social prejudice? What about social? illusions? Dealing with crisis situations when your motivation for life is below par? I could go on for a long time... Take at least as a result the number of divorces, people simply disillusioned with everything.
    School, school! The school is for those who are going to drink all their lives and work in a factory at a machine, which is what the author writes about. From my parallel in 1987, several people died from drugs, more than half were drinking, almost all of them, with a couple of exceptions, had children and were divorced. I can say the same about my parents. It may be different in Moscow, but in the Vladimir region it’s the same almost everywhere. School, yup!
    I myself have three children, the eldest goes to school once a week, the rest of the time we study with him at home. The other two will grow up and also study. The oldest was like getting ready for school at 6 years old. Now, when he wants to freeload, I suggest that he go to a regular school for a five-day week like everyone else, and stasis all the desire to freeload disappears from him.
  85. +1
    15 September 2015 23: 16
    So people argue and argue about the article, but the problem touched upon is a deeper one... Is it really a matter of education? The point is in the very system of society... and maybe in our life in general? After all, there are selfish leaders, they lead their flock of sheep. What if in the herd of rams there are also lions who believe in their kinship with rams? What if they raise their heads? Either they will leave (by which they will corrupt others), or they will challenge? Individuality is what is valuable in everyone and what the crowd fears and hates (or the masses, all these words are already hackneyed - I know).
    At school they teach NOT life (life does not need such “favors”, it will teach anyone on its own), at school they don’t even teach - they teach. A person’s way of thinking and aspirations are already formed in advance; they decide for him what he should go for and what is worth dying for. But school is just one step out of ten. Yes - all this is true... but people don’t want to live differently! They like to divide the earth and are proud of some measly piece of it (isn’t it stupid, especially in the context of Space!?), compete in things that they themselves invented, in the end, dying on orders is also considered something “sort of” . But in our age they still dare to laugh at antiquity, saying that they were sheep, telling fortunes by the liver, and stabbing cattle... and not only.
    The problem is that 99,9% of people do not know how to look up, they always look down and see no further than their sandals.
    Utopia is a utopia, but I want to believe that one day we will learn to simply live, easily and not under duress, without rushing - measuredly, without clinging to extra minutes, but also without waste. Otherwise... war, war, war, war.
  86. +2
    15 September 2015 23: 21
    Quote: ASK505
    School, of course, is needed, but with separate education for boys and girls. Girls develop three years earlier, so there are many distractions from their studies. But also so that boys become men, warriors and real fathers, and girls retain their femininity and become real mothers without tattoos and cigarettes in their teeth.

    At least one person here knows what he's talking about. By the way, separate education existed under Stalin, and when Nikitko Kuruzka arrived, everything went downhill. Today, education remains only a formality.
    For those who are all in trouble, no one will say that the education system is not needed at all, and all schools should be buried. It is said that in its current form it is more harmful than it has any benefit.
    Regarding home education. Nobody needs your child except you, you must take care of it yourself. No personal teachers or tutors will do anything; the times of Tsarist Russia are over. If you don’t want to take care of your children, send them to an orphanage if you consider your children to be something that does not deserve your due attention. Yes, it’s hard, yes, you have to strain yourself, you have to constantly, almost endlessly work on your child, but for whom is it easy? This is not wartime, the EBN is also gone, there is no need to survive from paycheck to paycheck, today you can always find an opportunity, the rest is just ridiculous excuses.
  87. -2
    15 September 2015 23: 52
    The author was bullied a lot at school and was given undeserved bad marks))) I personally did not notice the killing of individuality at school. School teaches a lot, including how to communicate with each other, and not just with mom and dad. It is enough to remember those children who were not in the kindergarten and when they came to school they were outcasts.
  88. 0
    15 September 2015 23: 59
    Nonsense. My grandmother graduated from only five classes of the gymnasium, back in Tsarist Russia.
    I was always amazed at how beautifully she writes, and most importantly, how beautifully she expresses her thoughts in writing. Excellent syllable, spelling, punctuation and this is only in five classes! And now such terms are generally unfamiliar to many. Literacy is almost boring, spelling suffers so much that it will soon completely collapse. I’m generally silent about punctuation... Declensions and conjugations are terra incognito, you just grab your head. And there was no gingerbread, on the contrary, they flogged them with rods.
  89. 0
    16 September 2015 01: 34
    There are problems in education, but not everything is so sad. Of course, the motivation for cognitive interest among younger schoolchildren is much higher than among high school students (compare how many excellent students there are in grades 1-2 and 10-11). On the other hand, the same works by Amonashvili, Shatalov, Shchetinin and a number of others demonstrate a more productive approach to education. Why is it that in a regular school children somehow master the entire program by the age of 18 and happily leave school, they say, I finally leaned back, I’m now an adult)) And with the same Shchetinin they master this entire program at the age of 13-14 and want to study further . Yes, teenagers at universities look unusual, but by the age of 18 they are already ready-made specialists with higher education and creative enthusiasm. In general, our pedagogy has something to work on. And from the current education there is only one feeling - they want to make our children as stupid as the bulk of children in America, for example... But who really wants to - study. Is this such an early separation between workers and management?
  90. +1
    16 September 2015 03: 51
    Everyone will be a philosopher. And who will plow, sow, produce what they actually plow, what they bake bread in, cook and fry. Who will fry in the end? Or the baker will bake a simply awesome loaf that will make all of humanity gasp. He will erect a monument to this baker, who in turn will sculpt simply a masterpiece of world art. By the way, will someone bring clay or marble to this sculptor? I mean, in the mines, someone is expected to work, or what? With such principles, humanity will one day run through trees and kill each other in order to eat each other. And who will be eaten first? It seems to me that they are philosophers.
    1. 0
      16 September 2015 17: 49
      Quote: prostorabochiy
      Everyone will be a philosopher. And who will plow, sow, produce what they actually plow, what they bake bread in, cook and fry. Who will fry in the end? Or the baker will bake a simply awesome loaf that will make all of humanity gasp. He will erect a monument to this baker, who in turn will sculpt simply a masterpiece of world art. By the way, will someone bring clay or marble to this sculptor? I mean, in the mines, someone is expected to work, or what? With such principles, humanity will one day run through trees and kill each other in order to eat each other. And who will be eaten first? It seems to me that they are philosophers.

      I respect the realist!!! Otherwise they were hammering me with their “diversified, developed creative personality”
      intellectuals ******. am
  91. -1
    16 September 2015 05: 22
    The article, as many correctly point out, is rubbish. The only correct conclusion that can be drawn from the author’s lamentations is that school today is far from what it was during the USSR. But turning studies into computer games is naivety, bordering on a crime against the future of the country.
    Studying well and correctly is difficult. This is hard work, first of all for the trained teacher, but also for the student. The Soviet education system was the best in the world because it was created under the leadership of the best in the world. And those who want to object to me that at the same time there were no video cameras, good household equipment and other pink and blue gadgets in the country - I will say the following. Now we have them. And what?! Has life gotten better? Why moan about school then?
    If you want to become a scientist or researcher in some scientific and technical field, you cannot avoid persistent and hard training. Because this is exactly the kind of work that awaits a real scientist. I am a nuclear physicist and I know this from my own experience and the experience of my colleagues.
    I am horrified to observe the decline in the level of education in physics and mathematics around the world. Russia is no exception now. Only by returning to the classical education of the Soviet level, but without unnecessary ideology, is the country’s task. And no matter how contorted those who reject ideology for some reason may be, today the school demands a new positive ideology. The next generations must find something new after this vile capitalism that we so willingly jumped into. The utopian ideas of communism did not work. They turned out to be just that - a naive, cheap utopia. How can we develop new ideas if philosophy lessons no longer exist? How to launch rockets so that they do not fall before reaching orbit?
    The average “smart” resident believes that spending on education and science is extremely generous and more consistent with the “waste” column. What a naive delusion! The inability to understand why it is necessary to discover the Higgs boson is not an indulgence to criticize all science (not only Russian!).
    In some strange echo, the emergence of ISIS and Al-Qaeda is the result of a decline in interest in science and a return to other, sometimes dubious, values.
    Stupid article...
  92. 0
    16 September 2015 05: 39
    It seems that the author himself does not quite understand what he wrote, a kind of provocation for discussion, he himself has apparently never been involved in teaching practice, in my understanding, the task of the school is to give a person a basis of knowledge, skills and abilities, but how successfully this person will apply them in his life whether he will develop and improve them depends not on the school, but on himself, the main thing in pedagogy, I think, is the student’s correctly oriented motivation for learning, the development in him of initiative for self-improvement and for life in general, however, for completely individual reasons, everyone cannot to be genius-philosophers, strategists-leaders, ordinary performers are also needed; these are engineers, doctors, teachers, in general hard workers, practical masters, professionals are needed in every single sector of the national economy at various levels and directions, but I am against the German education system, which is already at the secondary school level it is quite clearly differentiated by level of education... I think the Soviet pedagogical school has not exhausted its potential, because it provides equal opportunities for all students (this is a basic principle), although it requires serious reform, including teaching methods and equipment
    1. +1
      16 September 2015 11: 07
      Quote: Volka
      it seems that the author himself does not quite understand what he wrote, a kind of provocation for discussion, he himself apparently has never been involved in teaching practice, in my understanding

      The author understands well what he is writing about. But why don’t you know that the beginning of a sentence is written with a capital letter, and at the end of the sentence there is a period. Why is your entire text written in one giant sentence without beginning or end? How to understand where your thought begins and where it ends? Better read more. This is useful.
  93. -1
    16 September 2015 07: 27
    Another cry about how “mathematics kills creativity!...”
  94. -2
    16 September 2015 08: 27
    About dirty bottled water - that's cool. Comparing a bagel with a finger. It remains to be seen how homeschooling would have ended. Sometimes you really want to take a break from your beloved children! What happens if you “study” at home? Is every parent a teacher? Not at all. So the children will end up hanging out in the streets, having previously “stabbed” their disgusted parents. You just need to learn how to teach correctly at school. And life itself in the classroom is already learning. In order for a child, a person, to absorb knowledge, we must teach him to learn, give him some scope for thought and action, and instill in him social responsibility!
  95. -2
    16 September 2015 08: 59
    The topic reminded me of the evening news broadcast I watched yesterday. It turned out that some deputies only know the words to two verses of the anthem.
  96. 0
    16 September 2015 10: 24
    Quote: Belopolsky
    I personally didn’t notice the killing of individuality at school. School teaches a lot, including how to communicate with each other, and not just with mom and dad. It is enough to remember those children who were not in the kindergarten and when they came to school they were outcasts.

    That's the whole point. that at different times it was different and the teacher himself played an important role here. One of them tried to teach not only his subject, but also to teach him to “learn”, “search”, and independently, for new knowledge. The second one could “kill” individuality, demanding “not to stick out.” So there was discord between school and school.

    Quote: nstarinsky
    The Soviet education system was the best in the world because it was created under the leadership of the best in the world

    Was. At the certain time. But from my own experience (then still a student), I will say that by the beginning of the 70s this system began to fail, and formalism appeared. And the children felt it first of all.
  97. +1
    16 September 2015 14: 03
    Quote: Amurets
    Yes! I agree! You ran a course in general physics and we have half of the textbooks under zero and two zeros. You can’t make notes from the library. You didn’t


    There were also so-called “manuals” for remote sensing. Oh, hunting for them took more time than the solution process itself! Communists are radishes, well, it was impossible to stupidly print EVERYTHING in the required quantities??? There was enough money to feed monkeys in Africa, and in elite technical universities there was one oscilloscope for 5 people in the lab, and after the 3rd kick it started...
  98. +1
    16 September 2015 15: 06
    Article minus.
    Written one-sidedly, amateurishly, the opinion of the average person + no suggestions. From the “everything is bad” category. Anyone can criticize anything.

    My mother has been teaching physics to children since 1980, a very thankless task. He says that CHILDREN are getting worse and worse every year. Ill-mannered and stupid navels of the earth, for whom the iPhone is the ultimate dream, as, probably, for their parents.
    Discipline should be taught not by the school, but by the family. The school must create a basis, which increases every year, for the superstructure of further education.
    This is not a game of entertainment, but painstaking work.

    The reasoning about teachers is especially touching:) Try teaching someone a 5-year course in any discipline;) I can’t, I don’t have enough patience and nerves.
    The idea of ​​home schooling is simply brilliant; by the way, it still exists now for those who cannot go to school due to illness, for example.

    And one more thing:) I live in St. Petersburg. Elite gymnasiums can be compared with my schools in military towns (my father is a military man - I went for a ride) in terms of education level and teaching staff. In big cities, money rules, not conscience.
    He graduated from school in 2002 in ZATO Ozerny (Bologoye-4) with silver. The whole class went to Moscow/St. Petersburg on a budget. Only parents can instill the need for education in their children.
  99. +3
    16 September 2015 15: 51
    My wife is a school teacher. I myself taught for several years, albeit at a university.
    The article is, of course, funny, especially the conclusions.
    A lot depends on the teacher, and a lot depends on the primary school teacher.
    What is "home education"? This is an invitation to teachers to come to their home - that is, “the same bow, only in profile.” If anyone thinks that for some reason a child will learn on his own, then he is very deeply mistaken...
    Of course, a comprehensive school implements a social order - someone has to sweep the streets... But the main problem, it seems to me, lies on a different plane. Soviet power gave birth to a monstrous class of bureaucrats. Since the revolution, every law, every government decree has clearly led to only one result - an increase in the class of bureaucrats who, as you know, “do not sow, do not plow, do not build”... If you think that as a result of the “great capitalist revolution “Something has changed in Russia in this regard, then you are deeply mistaken. In Russia, with the collapse of the USSR, a new hitherto unknown monster was born - “bureaucratic capitalism”, or perhaps more precisely, “capitalist bureaucracy”. lol
    Each class, according to K. Marx, sacredly guards its class interests. And comrade Stalin, in general, was certainly right when he at one time affirmed the thesis “about the intensification of the class struggle.” It’s just a pity that the emphasis was placed incorrectly...
    So, in a modern school, the number of papers and reports has already reached such a magnitude that the interests of children, for the sake of papers, are relegated to the background... But I must say that the old guard of teachers is still working, making their way through paper thorns to children's souls, and all is not lost yet...
    One thing is clear - the education system, both at school and at university, needs to be changed! And change in accordance with modern trends, the main one of which is the doubling of information flows every 20 years.
    Children, first of all, must be taught to learn and work effectively with information flows.
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    16 September 2015 18: 01
    The Moscow region and Voronezh region are switching to a completely American education system. So someone needs it! They are raising “Ivanovs who do not remember their kinship”...