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Russian Embassy in Ukraine. Getting out of protracted informational hibernation?

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The official website of the Russian Embassy in the “Square” territory, which is still issued by the search engine as “The Russian Embassy В Ukraine ”nevertheless decided to move away from“ v ”and arrive at the Russian version of“ on. ” The Internet site of the Russian diplomatic mission received a "cap" on which you can read "The Embassy of the Russian Federation AT Ukraine ". It would seem a trifle, but the little thing is very talking ...


However, it is not at all about “in” and “on” in the presented material. The fact is that the Russian diplomatic mission under the leadership of the “invisible man” Mikhail Zurabov, who recently precisely because of Mr. Zurabov and learned what endless waves of criticism are, decided to somewhat intensify their activities. In the real world of any noticeable activation (in the light of the events already taking place) did not happen, but in the virtual world certain steps of the Russian diplomatic mission are worth noting. This is about the page “Pages stories”, Which highlights the topics that have recently become very resonant in connection with, to put it mildly, original approaches to the interpretation of history by the current authorities as“ independent ”.

If, at the “maydannoe”, “maydannoe” and earlier “postmaydannoe” time, Russian diplomats working in Ukraine clearly looked through the fingers at the actions of the Kiev “elites” who declared the so-called famine, “heroism” of the OUN-UPA, repressions against representatives only of the Ukrainian people, now on the embassy site was born that which should have been born, as they say, the day before yesterday.

Russian Embassy in Ukraine. Getting out of protracted informational hibernation?


One of the microsections, which obviously has a rich potential for replenishment, is called “Historical fakes”. By and large, almost every statement of Ukrainian politicians regarding their historical interpretations can be published in it. From the "ukrohrestomaticheskih" "ancient Ukrainians" to Yatsenyuk pearls about the release of prisoners of Auschwitz by the fighters of the Ukrainian army. However, in the “Historical fakes” section, only one material devoted to fakes has been published - the lie that residents of Poltava, Vinnitsa, Rivne and other regions “hostilely” met Red Army soldiers during the Great Patriotic War during the liberation from Nazi occupation.

From the preface to the material entitled on the website of the Russian Embassy in Ukraine, as “Stubborn Lies”:

For many years now, it has been walking in print media and on the Internet the text of the Order No. 0078 / 42 from 22 in June 1944, signed by G. Zhukov and L. Beria. The meaning of the order is that Ukrainians, “especially in Kiev, Poltava, Vinnytsia, Rivne and other regions,” hostilely meet the Red Army, sabotage the restoration of collective farms, “disrupt the supply of the Red Army”, and even organize “green” gangs attacking on the Red Army.

For this reason, G.Zhukov and L.Berya are ordered to organize the expulsion "to the remote areas of the USSR all Ukrainians who lived under the rule of the German occupiers." In practice, this means ALL Ukrainians.


Attention is drawn to the fact that in order to refute this ukrofeyka, the Russian embassy has resorted (according to a very effective tradition today) to the author's investigations of bloggers. In this case, the Russian diplomatic mission is based on blog data. "Galician Tales", the author of which easily exposes the fake about the existence of an “exile order against Ukrainians” from 1944.

The material provides information that prompted the author to fake the spread of Order No. 0078 / 42 from 22 in June 1944 of the year distributed in the network. Here is this information (full text - here):

To combat the anti-Soviet gangs to transfer 12 and 25 punitive divisions of the NKVD.


The author writes that in 1944, the divisions of the NKVD, by definition, could not be called punitive, and this term was used solely as a definition of the actions of the units of the Nazis (SS).

From the disclosures published on the website of the Russian Embassy in Ukraine:

A closer reading reveals other suspicious moments. For example, Zhukov here is designated as “Deputy. People's Commissar of Defense, ”while he was First Deputy NPO (who doesn’t understand the difference, let him call the Prime Minister simply“ Minister ”).
Under all the orders of the NPOs of the last stages of the war, the texts of which can be found on the Web, Zhukov titled: "First Deputy People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR Marshal of the Soviet Union ZHUKOV." The only exception is our order.
The order was signed by two commissars, and in the text - “I order”. Why is the copy assured by Colonel (Fedorov) (by the way, why "P", not "p", and what is this strange construction "Colonel (Fedorov))", but to which of the two commissariats does this "Colonel (Fedorov)" belong, not specified?
Are they rather strange for a Russian-language document, and an extremely high-level document, like “hostilely resisting to perform” or “to prevent one from hiding and not letting his family know”? In short, even the actual text itself raises many questions.


The verdict of the author exposing fake:
Dr. Goebbels is dead, but his cause lives on. Successors, alas, enough.


Just yesterday, it seemed that the Russian embassy in Ukraine could not publish on the pages of its official website anything that might even cause a bit of anger on the part of the “partners”. But it passed ... Mr. Zurabov nevertheless decided ... And, as they say, better late than never ...

Another important publication concerns the revelation of the fake fashionable in Ukraine about the “famine” - the actions of the Soviet government, which allegedly deliberately starved only Ukrainians with hunger, while the “Muscovites curts” and all the other inhabitants of the Land of Soviets ate themselves over pineapples and grouse ... The website of the Russian diplomatic mission in Kiev publishes an impressive list of documents on the food situation in the country in 1930-1934. In the list of archival materials - GARF, RGAE, RGASPI, Central Archive of the FSB of Russia.

Here are a few excerpts and titles of archival documents published to expose the fake about the “induced famine” in the Ukrainian SSR and that supposedly no one else anywhere in the USSR went hungry in 30-s.

Resolution of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR on the return of corn and wheat from the ports and on the additional purchase of grain for Ukraine in Persia and the Far East.
3 May 1932 city




The resolution of the Politburo "On seeds for Ukraine."
March 27 1933




Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR on food aid and seed loan of the Dnipropetrovsk region.
April 27 1933




In total, there are two hundred documents on the work of the Soviet government on solving problems with food shortages in the Ukrainian SSR, as well as in the North Caucasus, Kazakhstan, Transbaikalia, the Crimea, and the Volga region.

It is difficult to imagine that the Ukrainian authorities suddenly decided to familiarize themselves with the archival data, but you don’t hide the truth. Ukrainian authorities will not want to get acquainted - sooner or later, ordinary Ukrainians, who have been trying to hang noodles over the last years about the fact that the USSR was not a mass hunger, namely “famine SEA” - and exclusively “against the Ukrainians”, will familiarize themselves with the materials. ...

And one more of the sections, with which many in Ukraine will not be superfluous to read. These are archival documents about the activities of the “heroic” Bandera - OUN-UPA militants.

Here are just a few examples of dozens of documentaries - published on the website of the Russian Embassy in Ukraine, examples of clearly peculiar "heroism" of the OUN-UPA:

Agent report from the area of ​​the city of Rivne

"4" MANAGEMENT
“4” August 1943

To send:
Merkulov SPECIAL REPORT
Kobulov
Fedotov DEPUTY PEOPLE'S COMMISSIONER
STATE SECURITY OF THE UNION SSR

Early "4" Office of the NKGB USSR Comrade. K O B U L O V U
(Sudoplatov)

From the area of ​​the mountains. Exactly Received 3 USH.43g.
The Ukrainian SSR

“Agent of the“ NUD ”group, who returned from the mountains. Vladimir-Volynsk, reported that on July 18 of this year. witnessed the mass extermination of Ukrainian nationalists, Bandera Polish population living in the mountains. Vladimir-Volynsk.
During worship in the churches of Bandera, 11 priests were killed and, before 2000, Poles were killed on the streets of the city.
The German garrison, the police and the Cossacks in the number of 600 people did not take any measures against the massacre of the Poles, and only after the massacre the German command posted an announcement calling on the Poles to join the gendarmerie to fight Bandera.
Many Poles, fearing reprisals, went to the service of the Germans.


From the material of the interrogation of Ivan Kutkovets

Question: Specify what is the difference in the program provisions between “Melnik” and “Bandera”?
Answer: ... "Melnikov" and "Bandera" in the political direction are pro-German orientation. "Bandera" are representatives of the new formation of Ukrainian nationalists, based on the principles of an extremely chauvinistic terrorist fascist dictatorship. (...) Having lost its authority even among the nationalist-minded groups of the population, the “Bandera’s” are trying to retain their influence among the masses of the Ukrainian people by terrorizing it.


(From the “SPECIAL COMMUNICATION about the agreement of the Central Wire of the OUN and the UPA Command with the Security Police and the SD on the struggle against Soviet power”, sent to the People's Commissar of State Security of the USSR VN Merkulov by the People's Commissar of State Security of the Ukrainian SSR Savchenko for number 340 / from 23 February 1945 from Lvov) Central Bank of the FSB of Russia, f. 4, op. 3, d.801, l. 195-222

In the materials of the Security Police and the SD in Galicia, which we discovered after the Germans were expelled as occupiers in the former SD building of the mountains. Lvov found a number of top-secret documents of the Security Police and the SD on their negotiations and joint activities with the OUN-UPA in the territory of the western regions of Ukraine in the fight against the Red Army and Soviet power.


The first page of the act telling about the atrocities against the Jewish population of the town of Sambor of the Drohobych region with the active participation of the OUN-UPA (this and other documents were declassified in 2008 and published on the website of the Russian Embassy in Ukraine).



Now, if all this is still earlier and more sustainable ... Perhaps, the Maidan ghoul would have less chance? BUT?..
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  1. ARES623
    ARES623 15 September 2015 06: 11 New
    +27
    Zurabov is seriously losing to Payet in active work. Either he needs to be replaced by another employee, or the apparatus of the Russian ambassador to Ukraine should be strengthened. In addition to participating in the Minsk Agreements, Zurabov is neither heard nor seen. It can be seen that his activity did not deserve mention even in the Russian media space. It doesn’t matter when, apart from Lavrov and Churkin, no one is heard from the Foreign Ministry, including the Russian Embassy in Ukraine, on the Ukrainian problem.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 15 September 2015 06: 29 New
      +29
      He (Zurabov) does not just lose, but is an absolute zero. Initially, the work of the embassy was left to chance (your own people, you should not wait for dirty tricks). And before the Maidan, during it and after the Russian embassy’s participation, it was neither visible nor heard.
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 15 September 2015 07: 46 New
        +17
        Quote: rotmistr60
        is an absolute zero

        It’s you about him very much. He is a big minus, he is destructive.
        1. Yars
          Yars 15 September 2015 10: 44 New
          +6
          Now the "local" liberals will pick up the topic of ZURAB and spread the liberal stench to the whole of Ivanovo ... well, the start will be: "Zurabov has merged the interests of Russia in Ukraine, Putin is all too guilty" ... Zurabov goes where Moscow will show! He is just an ambassador ...
          1. Old old
            Old old 15 September 2015 20: 53 New
            +2
            Now the "local" liberals will pick up the topic of ZURAB and spread the liberal stench to the whole of Ivanovo

            These liberals need to recall the destructive (sabotage, subversive, sabotage) activities thereof in the Russian government.
      2. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 15 September 2015 09: 01 New
        0
        He is probably afraid that the embassy will again throw eggs and turn over new cars.
        1. marlin1203
          marlin1203 15 September 2015 09: 31 New
          +5
          All right. But do you seriously think that he "steers" himself? He is the "honorary ambassador", i.e. human symbol. It is ordered from the headquarters to take an indifferent position, he takes it. Ordered "forward!" Means forward. He has deputies and secretaries with specialized education in the state. They do all the work and carry out any task, there would be an order. Chernomyrdin, too, was not a professional diplomat and somehow managed. Symbolic is more a post - the ambassador of Russia and Ukraine, so .. the personification of "friendship of peoples."
      3. Koshak
        Koshak 15 September 2015 23: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: rotmistr60
        He (Zurabov) does not just lose, but is an absolute zero. Initially, the work of the embassy was left to chance (your own people, you should not wait for dirty tricks). And before the Maidan, during it and after the Russian embassy’s participation, it was neither visible nor heard.

        Ukraine has always been a reference for Russian diplomats. They appointed ambassadors there whom it was a pity to expel from the diplomatic corps, but it was impossible to appoint them to more responsible work. Therefore, all sorts of Chernomyrdins-Zurabovs brought Russian-Ukrainian relations to today's level.
    2. andj61
      andj61 15 September 2015 10: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: ARES623
      Zurabov is seriously losing to Payet in active work.

      He lost to the American ambassador right away with one fact of his appointment!
      Russian Embassy in Ukraine. Getting out of protracted informational hibernation?

      Apparently, this was not hibernation, but an information coma. And it’s not entirely clear how these publications on the embassy’s website should be characterized - either a way out of a coma or death cramps ... request
      Time will tell. winked
      1. captain
        captain 15 September 2015 17: 47 New
        +5
        And what, before Zurabov, was an adequate person an ambassador to Ukraine? What did Chernomyrdin do there? Besides, how did you follow the gas pipe and receive awards from Ukraine? We have no policy regarding the former republics of the Soviet Union. We can only be offended by their actions or bashfully keep silent about our past alliance. Our Foreign Ministry has never dealt with Russian communities, we were afraid to appear bad in the eyes of local authorities, and local authorities were not afraid and are not afraid to find fault with us and oppress Russians. Look at the actions of our ambassadors in the Baltic states, in the republics of Central Asia, in the Caucasus and further throughout to the world. I do not propose scandals on every occasion, but there is no work. Our Foreign Ministry does not work with Russians anywhere. It seems that the guys left Russia for embassies to rest.
      2. saenara
        saenara 16 September 2015 04: 44 New
        0
        Quote: andj61
        He lost to the American ambassador right away with one fact of his appointment!


        The fact of his birth.
    3. Will
      Will 15 September 2015 10: 20 New
      +3
      Fear or money? Or fear for money? Or all together? Where can we find sensible and fearless and not corrupt people at all key posts of the state apparatus? This is currently important for any state that wants happiness and prosperity for its people without any wars, because sanity has always said that happiness cannot be built on someone else’s misfortune.
    4. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 15 September 2015 12: 22 New
      +8
      If this so-called ambassador has ruined several ministries, including the Pension Fund, how can he work as an ambassador, even without a diplomatic education? An honorable resignation to a nursing position is what they call him. He didn’t go there to work, but before retirement sit out.
      1. oldzek
        oldzek 15 September 2015 17: 14 New
        +1
        Well, so it was possible to send to hell to Samoa or the Seychelles if it is zero.
    5. Begalolegalo
      Begalolegalo 15 September 2015 13: 57 New
      +5
      There is no way more reliable for discrediting Bandera ideology and destroying the current-pro-fascist political power in Ukraine than the process of its SELF-DESTRUCTION. The main thing is not to interfere with the Maidan and to keep them within. And here - no other ambassador is needed, except for this thieving quiet man and nits - Zurabov. He does not interfere. And within the framework of the process, those who are supposed to do it in another service are holding - Minsk-2 railway station, Voentorg, etc.
    6. veksha50
      veksha50 15 September 2015 17: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: ARES623
      Either he needs to be replaced by another employee, or the apparatus of the ambassador of the Russian Federation to Ukraine should be strengthened



      Unfortunately, it’s too late ... He did ... everything he could ...
      As in other posts that he previously held ...

      However, it doesn’t fly out of the cage ... Maybe for the stupid execution of orders and the charging of guilt in the deed precisely on himself ???
    7. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 15 September 2015 20: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: ARES623
      Zurabov is seriously losing to Payet in active work.


      Zurabov was put there only because he was Poroshenko's sidekick. Type is easier to negotiate. But apparently it did not grow together.
    8. bandabas
      bandabas 15 September 2015 21: 24 New
      0
      Well, Mr. Zurabov successfully managed to destroy domestic health care and social programs (and not on his own initiative, but on the way). Then he found the position in which he is to this day. Like many others. A common example is the former head of Russian Railways, Yakunin. They all continue to "work" for the good of the motherland. And after the past vacation I will not go by Russian Railways trains anymore. Even the guides with whom they were traveling said that flying on vacation with airplanes is cheaper, faster and more comfortable.
      1. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 16 September 2015 19: 12 New
        0
        Quote: bandabas
        fly on vacation with airplanes - cheaper, faster and more comfortable.



        Well do not tell. For example, I visit my grandmother for almost 2000 km, on the train 3500 rubles compartment and 1,5 days. And on the plane 12000 rubles. plus a transplant for another half day and another 500-800 rubles ...
  2. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 15 September 2015 06: 18 New
    +15
    Zurabov M.Yu. is a cybernetics economist by training (a little strange phrase), he managed the Russian Pension Fund (!!!!), the Ministry of Health (!), Then gradually flowed into the diplomatic corps (?).
    The entire biography of this figure shows that he is a "comprehensively developed specialist."
    Wherever, on which front they have thrown him, "brilliantly" copes with the work.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 September 2015 06: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      Zurabov M.Yu.


      Quote: rotmistr60
      He (Zurabov)



      Quote: ARES623
      Zurabov s

      SchA will blame everyone for the names of Zurabov, he will be to blame for everything. Even though he is just a screw in the political system of Russia and does what the Kremlin requires of him.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 15 September 2015 07: 01 New
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        SchA all will wedge on the names of Zurabov

        From this surname it no longer wedges, from this surname it makes you sick.
        Well, let me, a construction engineer by training, I’ll go to work as a surgeon, otherwise I can go to diplomats. And what?
        We repeat the slogan - Any cook can rule the state?
        1. KBACYPA
          KBACYPA 15 September 2015 07: 44 New
          +11
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          Can any cook manage a state?

          In fact, Lenin called for creating such conditions of upbringing and education so that every cook could take part in the affairs of state administration.

          "... We are not Utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not able to immediately take control of the state. We agree with the Cadets, Breskovskaya, and Tsereteli in this. But we differ from these citizens in that that we demand an immediate break with the prejudice that government should be carried out, everyday work, management should be carried out only by wealthy officials or wealthy families, we demand that government training be given by class-conscious workers and soldiers, and that but immediately, that is, they began to attract all working people, the whole poor, to training this. " From the work "Will the Bolsheviks Hold Soviet Power"
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 15 September 2015 17: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: KBACYPA
            Quote: Kos_kalinki9
            Can any cook manage a state?

            In fact, Lenin called for creating such conditions of upbringing and education so that every cook could take part in the affairs of state administration.

            You did not understand sarcasm. I personally am opposed to the fact that the cybernetics economist, without appropriate education, would engage in diplomatic work unusual for him.
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 15 September 2015 17: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          Can any cook manage a state?



          Well, yes ... Yes, not every pig can control a pig ...
      2. Decathlon
        Decathlon 15 September 2015 07: 14 New
        +4
        I agree! Zurabov is not particularly guilty. The person who appointed him to this post is to blame. There should be a diplomatic bison, and not a "political wad." My granddaughter’s voice and diction are clearly set at times, and if necessary, she can bark! And this is not the last skill for a diplomat.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 15 September 2015 17: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Decathlon
          My granddaughter’s voice and diction are clearly set at times, and if necessary, she can bark! And this is not the last skill for a diplomat.



          The future of Alexandra Kollontai ??? That ... in general, was cool ... Lavrov with his statement against her is a lamb ...
        2. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 15 September 2015 17: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Decathlon
          I agree! Zurabov is not particularly guilty. The one who appointed him to this post is to blame.

          As far as I understand, the task of the embassy and the ambassador in particular is to study the political and perhaps economic situation of the country where you are the ambassador. And if you send reports to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that everything is fine in the ruin (specifically), all Ukrainians brothers will kiss us tomorrow, how will the Ministry of Foreign Affairs find out the REAL situation in a neighboring country? Therefore, Zurabov is guilty of wanting to sit out in a quiet glanders. But it didn’t work out.
      3. V.ic
        V.ic 15 September 2015 09: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        all will be wedged on surnames Zurabov, he will be to blame for everything. Even despite the fact that he is just a cog in the political system of Russia and is doing what the Kremlin requires of him.

        Well, Duc and Goat it’s clear that he is white and fluffyas well as obedient ... And then what this Kremlin requires? Lick Banderlog?
      4. SPACE
        SPACE 15 September 2015 11: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Author
        Now, if all this is still earlier and more sustainable ... Perhaps, the Maidan ghoul would have less chance? BUT?..

        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        SchA will blame everyone for the names of Zurabov, he will be to blame for everything. Even though he is just a screw in the political system of Russia and does what the Kremlin requires of him.

        Then, logically, it turns out that his task was to have nothing to do. Let’s say you know in advance about the plans of the US State Department to prepare the Maidan, about the 20 summer propaganda and the inaction of the local government swallowed by profit, a country that “lost control” slowly drifting toward the west, which did not even want to listen and understand, that is the only reasonable alternative in the form of a vehicle that the Kremlin was offering her, come to the understanding that there really are no actions by Zurabov and others, no most truthful archives, etc. are simply unable to influence and stop this 20 years old steam engine Noah, blind Ukrainian independence. Who knows, maybe it was just necessary not to interfere with accelerating this irreversible process prematurely allowing us to mine the US rails to the west ...
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 15 September 2015 17: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: SPACE
          simply unable to influence and stop this 20-year-old speeding steam engine



          It was necessary to prevent this engine from accelerating ... 20 years profuca ... What the hell were sitting in Kuev ???

          Or reported, but in response - silence ???
    2. Minstrel
      Minstrel 15 September 2015 08: 47 New
      +6
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      The entire biography of this figure shows that he is a "comprehensively developed specialist."
      Wherever, on which front they have thrown him, "brilliantly" copes with the work.

      Once upon a time, there was a playful definition in use: "doctor of the science of milking."
      Apparently this is just such a case.
    3. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 15 September 2015 09: 44 New
      +5
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      Zurabov M.Yu. is a cybernetics economist by training (a little strange phrase), he managed the Russian Pension Fund (!!!!), the Ministry of Health (!), Then gradually flowed into the diplomatic corps (?).

      And it seems to me that Zurabov was appointed ambassador to Ukraine, precisely for “merit” at previous places of work. Knowing that he was failing any assigned work, he was sent to Ukraine from the west (and most likely the United States) by our liberals who worked in power. Rather, under their protectionism, Zurabov was appointed ambassador to Ukraine. The United States needed to reduce Russia's political influence in Ukraine - and they achieved this through the careless "work" of Zurabov. And then a matter of technology - Maidan and anti-Russian Ukraine.
    4. tank64rus
      tank64rus 15 September 2015 11: 33 New
      +3
      How these "effective managers" got it. They can only effectively steal. In the USSR, they were simply not hired without an appropriate education. Under Stalin, for such a failure for a long time not in the chair, but in the cell gave evidence. He did business with the oligarchs there, and before Ukraine there was a lack of time.
    5. tank64rus
      tank64rus 15 September 2015 11: 33 New
      0
      How these "effective managers" got it. They can only effectively steal. In the USSR, they were simply not hired without an appropriate education. Under Stalin, for such a failure for a long time not in the chair, but in the cell gave evidence. He did business with the oligarchs there, and before Ukraine there was a lack of time.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 15 September 2015 14: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: tank64rus
        How these "effective managers" got it. They can only effectively steal. In the USSR, they were simply not hired without an appropriate education. Under Stalin, for such a failure for a long time not in the chair, but in the cell gave evidence. He did business with the oligarchs there, and before Ukraine there was a lack of time.

        Guys, men. I wrote a post in the morning, sort of right. And now I was thinking if it all started with our unforgettable Victor Stepanovich, who had all the work based on the principle: "We wanted the best, it turned out as always." Those. the failure of politics in Ukraine began when V.S. was there an ambassador (I really don’t know where?), but comrade (or lord) Zurabov continued his “work”. Case ........ lives and thrives !!!
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 15 September 2015 17: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          Those. the failure of politics in Ukraine began back then ...


          I completely agree ... Only this does not remove the blame from the "gray mouse" of Zurabov, unless he was given an order: to sit - not to speak - not to lean out ...
    6. saenara
      saenara 16 September 2015 04: 46 New
      0
      So maybe it’s necessary to the front? :-)
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 16 September 2015 05: 15 New
        0
        whom to the front then?
  3. yuriy55
    yuriy55 15 September 2015 06: 25 New
    +4
    Representing the top of the country as having come to power as a result of a coup, illegally, it is foolish to develop any diplomatic relations in it. With the same success, you can build the embassy building in the territories captured by ISIS ... yes

    P.S. The following line was remembered in the documents:
    25 000 RUB in gold good

    not that now
    25 000 rubles in dollars ... negative
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 15 September 2015 06: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: yuriy55
      25 000 RUB in gold

      So it’s the Tsar’s rubles, because the chervonets were equal to them, what can I compare.
      On the topic: now it’s possible to fill up the Ruin with documents, they’ll all go for a roll, they had to move earlier. Now only revitalizing denazification will help, and its scale should be much larger than in Germany after Adik. We need to return to the ideas of schools at the embassy and consulates (for starters), organize targeted satellite and terrestrial broadcasting of TV, and much more needs to be done. And Zurabov is only a consequence of a common toothless foreign policy in the Ruin, another nomenclature sucker with a sinecure, that - there were few of them, is there and will be?
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 15 September 2015 09: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: inkass_98
        So it’s the Tsar’s rubles, because the chervonets were equal to them, what can I compare.

        What, excuse me, tsar’s rubles in 1932? The Soviet Stalinist ruble was secured by gold.
  4. vobels
    vobels 15 September 2015 06: 33 New
    +3
    Yes, they lost at the beginning, they were underworked. It is necessary to catch up, more persistent and more real documents. Well, I wish the cybernetics economist to deepen his knowledge of diplomatic work. It is impossible to fail in this way in a responsible direction.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 15 September 2015 08: 16 New
      +2
      For some reason, we always lose first and then heroically make up for lost time ... Sputnik, Gagarin, Niva ... where else were we the first after the war and where we were not caught up and ... we did not overtake? And for some reason we always catch up.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 15 September 2015 17: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: vobels
      I wish the cybernetics economist deepen diplomatic knowledge.



      Yeah ... God forbid, they will send to Syria ...
  5. strelets
    strelets 15 September 2015 06: 36 New
    +2
    We must be more active abroad. We often need to remind partners what they owe us. And then they have something memory has become short. It is necessary to popularize the Russian language. It should become the most common after the Chinese.
  6. sa-zz
    sa-zz 15 September 2015 06: 37 New
    +2
    It's time, but ... better late than never.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 September 2015 06: 42 New
    +5
    There should be an informational “harbor”, and for dill, in which they can draw CERTAIN information. Primary sources. Documents from archives. Photos. Analytical references of serious scientists. Demons are born in the dark.
    We underestimate the teaching of history. And at home - too. With what difficulty, I managed to correct the twists in the brains of my children. But history was one of my favorite subjects.
  8. mr.vasilievich
    mr.vasilievich 15 September 2015 06: 53 New
    +9
    I live in Ukraine, and I did not notice the work of the Russian Embassy, ​​even under Chernomyrdin.
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 15 September 2015 10: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: mr.vasilievich
      I live in Ukraine, and I did not notice the work of the Russian Embassy, ​​even under Chernomyrdin.


      It is difficult, Vasily, to see what was not there.

      I will express my purely philistine, and naturally subjective opinion:

      If Russia had a distinct and clear policy, including at the diplomatic level, in relation to Ukraine in the past, then it would be quite possible now that there would be no ATO.
      And the question of the representative of this policy, that is, the ambassador, is probably still secondary. Here, Hercules would not have been able to cope alone.

      PS I earnestly ask you not to consider my commentary as any support of Mr. Zurabov, for I consider him to be yet another mediocrity of the "era of the reign of Edra in the territory of the Russian Federation."
      1. Anper
        Anper 15 September 2015 12: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        I urge you not to consider my comment as any support of Mr. Zurabov,

        From Rovno. Regularly, the Russian community organized free tourist trips to Voronezh (usually for former teachers of the Russian language), published at its own expense a quite decent circulation of a book by the not very famous symbolist Alexander Kondratyev, who lived in some estate in the Rivne region after the October Revolution and held annual Kondratieff readings, where famous scholars-philologists participated. Everything just went sluggishly, without much PR.
        Yes, mb, not everyone knows: in all humanitarian institutes, and now there is an admission to the Russian language departments, without state places, but there are, and even applicants submit applications. This information for 2015 is www.vstup.info - that's all in Ukrainian, but you can understand. And school olympiads in Russian are held annually.
        It’s just that the Americans worked much more actively, more freely, and, most importantly, these works were generously funded.
  9. Gray 43
    Gray 43 15 September 2015 06: 58 New
    +5
    They are worn with a "famine" like a written sack, bulging themselves out, they don’t want to know that hunger was everywhere, in the USA, and that there was a famine at one time and nothing-silence from across the ocean, like from a cemetery
  10. AID.S
    AID.S 15 September 2015 06: 59 New
    +2
    I would not be surprised if Zurabov moved to permanent residence somewhere.
  11. Horn
    Horn 15 September 2015 07: 02 New
    +1
    You can’t publish these documents! It is necessary to regret the fragile virgin brains of the little deadly little horses! One must be more merciful ...
    1. Decathlon
      Decathlon 15 September 2015 07: 40 New
      +3
      "Mercy is a priestly word!" (G.Zheglov)
  12. SeAl2014
    SeAl2014 15 September 2015 07: 16 New
    0
    Woke up Zurabov.
  13. evil partisan
    evil partisan 15 September 2015 07: 41 New
    +2
    Now, if all this is still earlier and more persistent ...
    What's the point? Those who are in the know do not need to agitate for the Soviet regime, and those who are inspired by the “idea” will say that all this is propaganda and fakes made in the cellars of the KGB of Russia. How much benefit have brought constant conversations with your children on the topic: "Do not do it!". And then a whole layer of people, merged in ecstasy with the idea of ​​national superiority ...
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 15 September 2015 16: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: wicked partisan
      And then a whole layer of people, merged in ecstasy with the idea of ​​national superiority ...


      ..... and there’s nothing to add ......
    2. fradderst
      fradderst 16 September 2015 00: 52 New
      0
      you do not underestimate our mother! By the way, it seems to me that shooting would be beneficial
  14. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 15 September 2015 07: 44 New
    +1
    If Zurabov, in spite of all the bacchanalia that is happening in Ukraine, does that mean the Kremlin is happy ... remember the number of times Zurabov returned after such articles in 1,5 years ??
  15. Mariner
    Mariner 15 September 2015 07: 46 New
    +2
    I’m just wondering if at least this person is competent?
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 15 September 2015 10: 02 New
      +4
      Apparently yes. His area of ​​competence lies in exceptional loyalty to the high-lying. Well, just like the late minister of taxes and fees in a cap with a 30 cm top.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 15 September 2015 17: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Mariner
      I’m just wondering if at least this person is competent?



      Somehow I foolishly analyzed - but our Pension Fund regularly (!!!) steals every 3-4 years, and nowhere, never (!!!) there is no information about who did it and how and what happened to him (them) for it became ...

      Zurabov there also mastered some competencies ...
  16. avia12005
    avia12005 15 September 2015 07: 46 New
    0
    Zurabov is a person whom I would not trust even a broom in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 15 September 2015 10: 04 New
      0
      At his hi future appointments, your opinion will certainly be taken into account.
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  18. Max repp
    Max repp 15 September 2015 08: 00 New
    0
    Skiu Zurabova lower his back generously to splash it is necessary that the rolls stir.
  19. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 15 September 2015 08: 16 New
    +1
    We have enough ballast like Zurabov everywhere. Yes, and Chernomyrdin was no better.
  20. proletarian
    proletarian 15 September 2015 08: 23 New
    +2
    Dear, I did not understand, is that what turns out to be "embassy" in Ukrainian citizenship denied?
    Until that time, they even didn’t dare to “fart” on their “asses”, they probably expected that they would soon become “great Ukrainians”.
  21. Bakht
    Bakht 15 September 2015 08: 36 New
    +3
    Non-Russian question :-)

    How to spell "In Ukraine" or "IN Ukraine"? Until now, I believed that the correct spelling in Russian is "In Ukraine". But so many copies are broken .... And if you fold politics and move on to grammar?

    Examples: In Germany, In the USA, In Russia. NA shows belonging to a part of NA Sakhalin, IN the Maldives. Nobody is speaking In France, In the Baltic states.
    1. KBACYPA
      KBACYPA 15 September 2015 08: 42 New
      +5
      And Ukraine before the beginning of the 20 century was a part. Ukraine is an Old Russian word meaning "land". On the edge, on the outskirts, on the outskirts.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 15 September 2015 08: 49 New
        0
        For 25 years, you have to write in Ukraine. I understand ... politics. But it seems that no one has canceled the correct Russian language. And in Soviet times they wrote in Lithuania, in Kazakhstan, in Azerbaijan. And only Ukraine began to be written ON. Are there linguists besides warriors?
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 15 September 2015 09: 16 New
          0
          Quote: Bakht
          And only Ukraine began to write on

          A state with a (formerly) Russian population, part of the Russian world, which is introducing mov and anti-Russianism at an accelerated pace.
        2. KBACYPA
          KBACYPA 15 September 2015 09: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Bakht
          Already 25 years it is necessary to write In Ukraine

          Well, that's whoever needs, let him write. And personally, I will speak and write in Ukraine. For the simple reason that, IMHO, there is no "Ukraine". There is Galicia, there is Little Russia, there is Kievan Rus. So the last two are Ukraine. The outskirts of Russian lands, that is. Of course, everyone has their own opinion on this and I think so. Now, if this thoroughly artificial education stretches for at least 30 years, then maybe my opinion will change, but for now - fire me.
        3. Svetlana
          Svetlana 15 September 2015 09: 44 New
          +5
          Quote: Bakht
          And in Soviet times they wrote in Lithuania, in Kazakhstan, in Azerbaijan. And only Ukraine began to be written ON. Are there linguists besides warriors?

          On the contrary, NA was always written, since from ancient times it was the Outskirts of Russia, and not a sovereign state, but since the collapse of the USSR - a sovereign state and then they began to force us to speak B tolerantly, since Ukraine became a separate state, and not some kind of outskirts .
        4. Awaz
          Awaz 15 September 2015 10: 36 New
          0
          This is from the same series as in the Kuban or Slobozhanshchina. And so - just features of the Russian language.
        5. Bergbur
          Bergbur 15 September 2015 22: 25 New
          0
          And also "in Cuba", "in Madagascar" ...
        6. Horn
          Horn 16 September 2015 07: 45 New
          0
          The fact is that there has never been a country with the name "Ukraine". It was the outskirts of Russia. Therefore, on the outskirts. And the country was Little Russia. Therefore, it was quite logical to write: In Little Russia.
    2. evil partisan
      evil partisan 15 September 2015 09: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Bakht
      How to spell "In Ukraine" or "IN Ukraine"?

      It would be all the same, but more recently, you can also do this: Amen. yes
    3. Svetlana
      Svetlana 15 September 2015 09: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Bakht
      How to spell "In Ukraine" or "IN Ukraine"? Until now, I believed that the correct spelling in Russian is "In Ukraine". But so many copies are broken .... And if you fold politics and move on to grammar?

      “In 1993, at the request of the Government of Ukraine, the regulatory options should be recognized options to Ukraine (and, accordingly, from Ukraine). Thereby, in the opinion of the Government of Ukraine, the etymological connection between structures to Ukraine and the outskirts that did not suit him was torn. Ukraine, as it were, received linguistic confirmation of its status as a sovereign state, since the names of states, and not regions, are formed in the Russian tradition with the help of prepositions in (in) and from ... ”(Graudina L.K., Itskovich V.A., Katlinskaya L. P. Grammatical correctness of Russian speech.M .: Nauka, 2001. S. 69).
      1. Horn
        Horn 16 September 2015 07: 51 New
        0
        A bunch of regions in my vast country, it turns out, and not regions at all, but states?
        State Krasnoyarsk Territory, Khabarovsk Territory, Altai Territory, Stavropol and Krasnodar Territory, all regions. And only the Far East remained the region? Itskovich zhzhot! author, come on!
    4. Horn
      Horn 16 September 2015 07: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Bakht
      Non-Russian question :-)

      How to spell "In Ukraine" or "IN Ukraine"? Until now, I believed that the correct spelling in Russian is "In Ukraine". But so many copies are broken .... And if you fold politics and move on to grammar?

      Examples: In Germany, In the USA, In Russia. NA shows belonging to a part of NA Sakhalin, IN the Maldives. Nobody is speaking In France, In the Baltic states.

      Nu-nu ... In the Khabarovsk Territory (not "ON", but "B"). Following your logic, do Khabarovsk residents live separately from Russia?
      “On” is not an indication of “part of something”. So, your message to grammar is like a bunch in a puddle ... You need to know your language. If he is yours for you ...
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 16 September 2015 12: 20 New
        0
        For me, any language is my own, if I can speak and write it. And good enough.

        An example of writing prepositions in Russian: I have lunch IN the kitchen; The kitchen is bright and clean. In both cases, we are talking about what is inside and is part of the apartment. But the prepositions are different. This all adds up to folklore and habit.

        Now the writing in Ukraine and in Ukraine has acquired a political connotation. I remember very well how Khakamada stubbornly asserted on the TV box "In Ukraine". And now he’s quietly saying “In Ukraine”.

        Wow, what a rich Russian language :-) For a long time I had somehow had a polemic on the word "coffee." Pushkin and Dostoevsky used the masculine gender. Chernyshevsky and Aldanov are the middle gender. According to the latest order of the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation of 2009 - coffee is used both on average and in masculine gender. According to the rules of the Russian language should be average. Since it ends in -e and does not lean. But, in the habit of French-speaking liberals, it is used in the French interpretation as a masculine :-)

        The same applies to the prepositions NA and B. As we are used to, we say so. This has nothing to do with the norms of the Russian language. So the correct spelling in Russian is "In Ukraine". But as we are used to say so. Especially since now it has become a determining factor in political orientation :-)
  22. Taygerus
    Taygerus 15 September 2015 08: 40 New
    +1
    Hooray! We have a virtual embassy appeared "In" or "On" the outskirts
  23. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 15 September 2015 09: 14 New
    +1
    I am very ashamed of Russia that for such an important mission there was no more suitable person than this stupid insignificance - zurab!
  24. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 15 September 2015 09: 22 New
    +2
    "" "" "in it you can publish almost every statement of Ukrainian politicians regarding their historical interpretations. From the "ukrohrestomaticheskie" "ancient Ukrainians" to the Yatsenyuk pearls about the release of prisoners of "Auschwitz" by the soldiers of the Ukrainian army. "" ""
  25. 56_br
    56_br 15 September 2015 09: 41 New
    +1
    We found someone to entrust deep. work, Zurabov. This person is able to fill up and plunder everything. Zurabov, Serdyukov, Vasiliev and many other names that can only steal and do nothing.
  26. bbss
    bbss 15 September 2015 09: 44 New
    +1
    Late we realized. In parallel reality, these documents will not be read at all.
  27. stas74
    stas74 15 September 2015 10: 29 New
    0
    Yes, everything is normal compared with the worse the better - he is a former communist. However, he does not go to visit the current former communists in the government. There would be no Russia, Ukraine would have to survive for the zombie population of Ukraine and not to demand unitarity. Ruin is not Germany and its history since 1918 were not written by Russians but in the Austrian General Staff.
  28. Colonel
    Colonel 15 September 2015 11: 37 New
    0
    why “P” and not “p”, and what kind of strange construction is this “Colonel (Fedorov)

    Why, why .... yes because the order in Word was typed and he automatically set P
  29. xomaNN
    xomaNN 15 September 2015 15: 33 New
    +1
    The guilt of this character with the letter “Zy” in NO work to promote the policy of Russia in Ukraine, which is obvious in 2013 and the last two years! I affirm this by looking precisely from inside the country of U.
    As Serdyukov spoiled the Russian army, so Zurab (only the price of his acts more) -in Ukraine. When will he finally be replaced by a strong-willed politician and diplomat of the Russian Federation ???
  30. trophy
    trophy 15 September 2015 15: 40 New
    +1
    Yeah. Zurabov is the same ambassador as the Minister of Health and Social Development. And the Minister of Health and Social Development is like me a ballerina.
  31. veksha50
    veksha50 15 September 2015 17: 13 New
    +1
    Zurabov finally woke up and entered В information fight AT Ukraine ...

    It would be better if he did not wake up ...
  32. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 15 September 2015 17: 19 New
    +1
    Zurabov cannot be trusted to manage even a doghouse! He will tear it apart, as the FIU collapsed, as the Ministry of Health collapsed. But he has some kind of common business with Petro Poroshenko, so he is still afloat. As the saying goes - two pair of boots! Now, with Petya, the ties of Russia with Ukraine and, indeed, Ukraine itself, are falling apart for a couple. You won’t drink skill, especially to Petya!
  33. Baloo
    Baloo 15 September 2015 18: 46 New
    +2
    There is no diplomat in Russia whose competence in economics is confirmed by a specialized dissertation?
    Would you agree to ride a bus driven by a professional agronomist? Then why does a competent specialist in the field of automated heating network management, which has ruined the Russian healthcare system before, work as an ambassador to Ukraine? Because the “friend” of Porosenko? All the more strange. Zurabov has a awarded TT, tell him how he should use it after all his life shame.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 15 September 2015 20: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Balu
      Zurabov has a awarded TT, tell him how he should use it after all his life shame.



      First, cut the fly ...

      Then stick it in and crank it up ...

      To whom and where - conscience will tell him, or people will help ...
  34. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 15 September 2015 22: 06 New
    +1
    Now, if we had everything early, but more persistent.
  35. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 15 September 2015 22: 50 New
    +1
    I remember the late V.S. Chernomyrdin told the journalist how he liked Ukrainian food, especially borsch, and how he and his wife often visited a cozy restaurant.
  36. PValery53
    PValery53 15 September 2015 23: 18 New
    0
    How is a random person M. Zurabov doing at the Russian embassy in Kiev?
    1. fradderst
      fradderst 16 September 2015 00: 49 New
      0
      yes as usual fucks and thumps
  37. lazma3
    lazma3 15 September 2015 23: 46 New
    0
    The Russian embassy in Ukraine, headed by Mr. Zurabov, showed complete lack of talent in the work. He lost his fight in the informational battle to his colleagues from Ukraine. It seems that Zurabova in this post is only concerned about becoming a partner in some kind of business where you can make a lot of money. And if we recall the work of Zurabov as the head of the pension fund and the Minister of Health, it will immediately become clear what this "hard worker" is worth.
  38. LMaksim
    LMaksim 15 September 2015 23: 57 New
    0
    That's right! We strike out of ignorance and fairy tales of our "partners" with facts and documents. What will the State Department say now?
  39. fradderst
    fradderst 16 September 2015 00: 41 New
    0
    yes guys are you serious? Has anyone read? here are the real troops .. xs in my opinion this topic is so low that it just doesn’t matter, it won’t solve the cardinal problem ... we are really waiting for the main blow and it seems to me a matter of time, then our boys will show that it was really not worth it!
  40. 31rus
    31rus 16 September 2015 06: 08 New
    0
    What to read? The Kremlin’s policy has been written and will be written at least “at”, at least “in,” Ukraine has failed, and if you take strategic development, it’s criminal even before the coup and now, how to trade with one hand (not even strategically important goods) and another criticize and express protest notes, how you can evacuate women, children, citizens of republics and immediately declare Sberbank will continue its work in Ukraine, how you can judge Savchenko and negotiate with those who sent her, even without the introduction of troops Russia has and there were levers of pressure on Ukraine, why not Use why wait 2016goda? You just need to Ukraine before and after an investigation and find out the reasons for the failure (not competence, sabotage, treason, selfish goals)