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Russia is building the largest research reactor

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The construction of the world's largest scientific nuclear reactor began in Russia. It will allow to conduct research in energy and medicine, including international ones, the newspaper reports Look.


Russia is building the largest research reactor


A reactor is being built in Dimitrovgrad (Ulyanovsk Region) at the site of the State Center of the Russian Federation Scientific Research Institute of Atomic Reactors (NIIAR, part of the management of the enterprise of the state corporation Rosatom of Science and Innovations JSC).

It will be “the world's most powerful multipurpose fast neutron research reactor (MBIR), which will carry out the projects necessary for the development of global nuclear energy,” the newspaper notes. Its thermal capacity will be 150 MW.

According to the developers, "it is planned to create an International Research Center on the basis of the reactor, where, in particular, new types of nuclear fuel, structural materials and heat carriers will be studied."

“The new reactor will allow three to four times to reduce the time to develop new types of fuel and structural materials necessary for the global nuclear energy of the future. The more reactor power, the faster the results can be obtained. If we use standard low-power reactors that are currently operating in the world, the research time will take decades, ”said Vyacheslav Pershukov, deputy general director of Rosatom State Corporation.

“We expect a large number of foreign scientists, technology companies that will work here. We have already held preliminary talks with technology companies, large research centers. They are all interested in conducting research at the new reactor, ”he noted.

“The structure of the MBIR project is such that it allows us to speak about the version of its commercial use,” Pershukov added.

According to the head of the Nuclear.Ru portal Ilya Platonov, “the key thing in that project is that it will be an international program”.

“This is an important point: not all countries that have or plan to develop nuclear energy, have a fully experimental scientific base. Often, studies to substantiate some technologies are ordered in other countries. Therefore, states that possess such facilities receive additional competitive advantages, ”said Platonov.

According to Sergey Lebedev, an employee of the Institute for Nuclear Research, RAS, the reactor will allow for research when creating a new nuclear cycle.

“Now we are using uranium. In the future, it is planned to use a new nuclear cycle based on thorium, it is safer, with less waste. The reactor will allow you to explore all aspects of the use of the thorium cycle. In addition, in these reactors, objects are irradiated for scientific purposes. In particular, for the production of isotopes, which are used in medicine. In addition, the reactor can be used to study the process itself in fast reactors and to create new types of reactors, ”he said.
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  1. g1v2
    g1v2 14 September 2015 15: 35 New
    +46
    You're lying all! am Reputable comrades here on the site said that nothing is being built in Russia and all science has perished. wink So do not talk about all sorts of breakthrough atomic technologies that violate this harmonious theory. laughing It is said that everything perished, and that it did not perish, it was stolen, so it is. laughing
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 14 September 2015 15: 39 New
      +10
      Eh, Psaki is out of work ... Her own theme.
      Only she can connect this news and the economy of Russia torn by Obama to shreds.
      1. Darkmor
        Darkmor 14 September 2015 15: 45 New
        +15
        Nuclear energy is one of those industries for which it has never been a shame.
        It’s a pity that we still haven’t learned how to put cold fusion engines on cars - so the auto industry would have gone out of the ass.
        And if even our football players insert a nuclear pill in one place ....
        1. little girl15
          little girl15 14 September 2015 16: 02 New
          +5
          If Russia didn’t have nuclear technology, there wasn’t Russia. And it’s good that we are building reactors, yet science does not stand still. The main thing is not to miss our leadership in this industry.
        2. tronin.maxim
          tronin.maxim 14 September 2015 16: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Darkmor
          It is a pity that machines have not yet learned to put cold fusion engines

          I don’t know about the synthesis, but many articles and videos on YouTube about how a car (car) works on water. I think there are a lot of advanced fantastic technologies in Russia, but they will not be released. They will either be crushed (the commission on false science made by world loan sharks), or shot. Although still to come!
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 14 September 2015 16: 16 New
            +3

            I don’t know about synthesis, but many articles and videos on YouTube about how a car (car) works on water.

            90% percent fraud, the rest is not as effective as the show / tell.
        3. Wedmak
          Wedmak 14 September 2015 16: 15 New
          +3
          It is a pity that machines have not yet learned to put cold fusion engines

          Nobody has ever seen cold fusion in the eye. But ordinary nuclear reactors were put on cars and even drove. Tests were conducted in the USSR. Cars came out cool, but due to big problems with protection, and with the replacement of fuel did not develop to the desired condition.
          1. sir.jonn
            sir.jonn 14 September 2015 18: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            It is a pity that machines have not yet learned to put cold fusion engines

            Nobody has ever seen cold fusion in the eye. But ordinary nuclear reactors were put on cars and even drove. Tests were conducted in the USSR. Cars came out cool, but due to big problems with protection, and with the replacement of fuel did not develop to the desired condition.

            Comrade under the impression of Iron Man. Today we would probably have the most promising control over fast neutrons.
        4. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 14 September 2015 20: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Darkmor
          And if even our football players insert a nuclear pill in one place ....

          Football players need to insert not a pill, but simply splash the scipedar from the heart!
        5. opus
          opus 15 September 2015 01: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Darkmor
          It is a pity that machines have not yet learned to put cold fusion engines

          1. What kind of beast is this? Cold fusion engines?


          Cold fusion in a glass of water. Perpetual motion machine. Do it yourself
          explanations of the author to the video:
          Fleishman, Pons, Rossi, nano, graphene, nanotechnology, deionized water, fuel-free generator, free energy, cold nuclear fusion, nuclear reactor, membrane, nanomembrane, physics, decay, energy, nucleus, proton, substitution, energy release, chemical process, Khas, nuclear fusion, cold fusion, abnormal heat generation, light emission, isotopes, transuranic, Planck's constant, fuel-free generator, free energy, fuel, hydrogen, deuterium, helium.

          2.And where (except for cars "is it put?

          http://sintezgaz.org.ua/ 1_articles / 449 / kholodnyi-termoyadernyi-sintez-v-obyknovennoi-kruzhke
          (well, I understand that in UA all patients are sick, and they can be)

          Sergio Focardi and Andrea A. Rossi from the University of Bologna (Università di Bologna).

        6. MESS
          MESS 15 September 2015 04: 52 New
          0
          about the auto industry and football players I completely agree
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 14 September 2015 15: 40 New
      +5
      The new energy is clean .. Even in the USSR such developments were carried out ... A lot of money needs to be invested, but if they figure it out ... then this is a breakthrough and a change in everything in the world! We must be the first ...
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 14 September 2015 15: 48 New
        0
        All the same, the Chinese are stealing everything! laughing
    3. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 14 September 2015 15: 51 New
      +4
      The guard is a crisis in the country, but the very stupid population (putinoids, in their opinion) does not notice him. Only a miserable handful of liberate liberators who in the 90s have already taxed so much that we will disentangle for a long time notice. This audience originates from all kinds of ambitious and Chernyshevsky people there, to which their nagging and complete impotence in decision-making leads - it is known from the course of history. Under the baseboard, on the "rain" and on the "echo", let them croak there. And the caravan is coming.
      1. Bombardier
        Bombardier 14 September 2015 16: 03 New
        +8
        Quote: iliitch
        The guard is a crisis in the country, but the very stupid population (putinoids, in their opinion) does not notice him. Only a miserable handful of liberate liberators who in the 90s have already taxed so much that we will disentangle for a long time notice. This audience originates from all kinds of ambitious and Chernyshevsky people there, to which their nagging and complete impotence in decision-making leads - it is known from the course of history. Under the baseboard, on the "rain" and on the "echo", let them croak there. And the caravan is coming.


        Continuing your theme:

        The crisis gave an unexpected side effect. Due to the devaluation of the ruble, many Russian-made goods, including automobiles and household appliances, have become very profitable to ship abroad. Russia unexpectedly turned into a major global supplier of household appliances.

        Refrigerators, washing machines, microwave ovens, etc., produced in our country, began to be massively exported to Europe and Asia. For example, since the spring of 2015, a large Italian concern shipped 300 thousand washing machines manufactured at a factory in Kirov to New Zealand, Australia and Japan. In 2015, a major German manufacturer of household appliances shipped to Europe 90 thousand washing machines and refrigerators manufactured at a Russian plant.

        As for the domestic Russian market, here the real share of imported household appliances has long been small. According to industry experts, more than 70% of the goods are in fact domestic production. In the first place the release of washing machines. In 2014, 3,5 million of these devices sold in our country. Over 90% were domestic. Last year, 3,4 million units were sold new refrigerators, 85% were produced in Russia. 10,6 million televisions were sold out, of which 8,5 million were made at our enterprises. Of the 2,8 million microwaves sold in 2014, 1,5 million are domestic products.


        True, the Russian enterprises that issue them are mainly owned by foreign concerns. The market was divided by Korean concerns AlGi and Samsung (a total of 26%), the German concern Bosch-Siemens (8%), the Italian Indesit (15,7%), the Scandinavian Electrolux (4,5%) ) But the capacities of their Russian plants are such that they have long exceeded European production volumes. In addition, now the release of equipment in the Russian Federation has become extremely profitable.

        In general, by joint efforts, manufacturers plan by 2016–2018. to increase the import of household appliances of Russian manufacture to an impressive, especially at the present time, amount of 1 billion euros. The next stage is the creation in Russia of not only production, but also large engineering centers.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 14 September 2015 16: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: iliitch
        The guard, a crisis in the country, but very stupid population (putinoids, in their opinion) does not notice him

        Don't say a gop until you jump over! Construction has just begun! laughing If they will build as "East", then some tears! This is despite the fact that Rogozin controls the construction of Vostochny, and the manager Rosiyatom runs our manager Kirienko (didn’t forget this?). Wait and see.
        Quote: iliitch
        complete impotence in decision making - known from the course of history

        Decisions made need to be monitored, not profiled as May decrees. Otherwise, such decisions are worthless.
        1. Babr
          Babr 14 September 2015 16: 25 New
          -2
          I’ve been watching Sergei Sall for a long time, but I somehow missed it.
          Just looked through today.
          Who cares. I ask.
          1. viktorR
            viktorR 15 September 2015 00: 25 New
            -1
            What just go ... do not take revs in the Russian physical society)))
    4. ROD VDVshny
      ROD VDVshny 14 September 2015 15: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: g1v2
      Authoritative comrades here on the site said that nothing is being built in Russia and science has all died

      You forgot to add - "touvarischi" reported that the economy was in small pieces tongue tongue tongue
    5. Yars
      Yars 14 September 2015 17: 06 New
      +1
      You're lying all! am Authoritative comrades here on the site said that nothing is being built in Russia and science has all perished. wink So no need to talk about all sorts of breakthrough atomic technologies that violate this harmonious theory. laughing It is said that everything was lost, and that it did not die, it was stolen, so it is. laughing

      Yes, yes, that's right, they call these liberals false patriots, they really like to earn donkeys in articles on military holidays in Russia, displaying beautiful pictures and get pluses for this. Believe me, we have already reached large shoulder straps in this way, however, the nicknames of these Judas are already known to everyone!
    6. vodolaz
      vodolaz 14 September 2015 17: 56 New
      +1
      Good news.
  2. smith7
    smith7 14 September 2015 15: 35 New
    +1
    This is probably good ... But expensive ... under the conditions of sanctions, it is doubly expensive. And taking into account the "Unified stunt" of a new generation of Russians, a project without a future. It would be good if my forecast was not true, because in general, research is extremely valuable to humanity.
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 14 September 2015 18: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: smith7
      Perhaps this is good ... But expensive ... in the face of sanctions, it is double expensive.

      And where are the sanctions if the fast neutron reactor Russian know-how?
      The only country with operating fast power reactors is Russia and the BN-600 reactors in the 3-m power unit of the Beloyarsk NPP and BN-800 in the 4-m power unit of the Beloyarsk NPP.
      And now a new one is being built ... BN-1200 - designed by JSC SPbAEP fast batch reactor.Other IBR-2, research reactor at JINR, Dubna. So Russia has experience.
      And where is the USA, Germany and France being asked? And these fuckers have closed all their projects!tongue
  3. engineer74
    engineer74 14 September 2015 15: 35 New
    +2
    ... new types of nuclear fuel, structural materials and coolants will be studied. ”

    Translated into Russian: "new types of nuclear weapons" !. Good luck to scientists! good
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 September 2015 19: 11 New
      +1
      Rather, it is already a thermonuclear weapon, without the use of plutonium as a detonator.
  4. A-Sim
    A-Sim 14 September 2015 15: 39 New
    +2
    Such news is worth a lot. Scientific thought does not stand still, but an experiment greatly accelerates its flight.
  5. kolkulon
    kolkulon 14 September 2015 15: 41 New
    +1
    And what about the hadron collider? They built the whole world. Money swollen immeasurably. And silence. Once I saw him in action, and even then in the Terminator 3.
    1. vinc
      vinc 14 September 2015 16: 04 New
      +1
      Once, one of our scientists working at this collider in an interview said that once very many laughed at electric current researchers (saying why the world needs this). And where are we now without electricity?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 14 September 2015 16: 18 New
        -1
        over electric current researchers

        And still no one knows what it is. So, theories only. But we use it with might and main.
    2. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 14 September 2015 16: 23 New
      +1
      LHC performed its function, the Higgs boson is detected. Further research is planned at higher capacities.
  6. Engineer
    Engineer 14 September 2015 15: 42 New
    +3
    This, of course, is good, it’s bad that in the thermonuclear industry we are even behind the Germans. Kurchatov hoped during his lifetime to give the country clean thermonuclear energy. But he didn’t have time, and now the Chubais and their Skolkoys are not giving life to the new Kurchatovs.
    1. adept666
      adept666 14 September 2015 16: 01 New
      +4
      This, of course, is good, it’s bad that in the thermonuclear industry we are even behind the Germans.

      Seriously? Well, enlighten anyone who has a breakthrough in this area, only with the name of the installation please.
    2. your1970
      your1970 14 September 2015 17: 44 New
      0
      Dmitrovgrad works for a great science and even earns money (his products are very expensive on the international market)
  7. pts-m
    pts-m 14 September 2015 15: 42 New
    0
    if this is published, the process is well under way. otherwise you did everything on your knee or ordered it from the pin.do.su. good luck to the researchers!
  8. gas113
    gas113 14 September 2015 15: 42 New
    +1
    There will be a lot of work for him. He worked at the GAME in Kazakhstan - reactor accident modeling is a promising direction. (reactor fuel melting and its interaction with structural materials and coolants) There are many customers ...
  9. Oznob
    Oznob 14 September 2015 15: 44 New
    +1
    Somehow it inspired a nuclear bomb without radioactive contamination of the area ...
  10. Private IITR
    Private IITR 14 September 2015 15: 44 New
    0
    Science needs to be developed, the future belongs to the atom
  11. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 14 September 2015 16: 09 New
    +1
    Thorium energy ... Hmm, but someone here wrote on the forum and sputtered that “thorium” has no future, despite operating reactors in Norway, etc. Well, well ....
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 14 September 2015 17: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Thorium energy ... Hmm, but someone here wrote on the forum and sputtered that “thorium” has no future, despite operating reactors in Norway, etc. Well, well ....


      Well, of course, if the notorious thorium energy was moved forward, but the newspaper Vzglyad could just as well report that the reactor would operate on a turbine and was designed to restore the atmosphere on Mars. yes
      But it is possible to squeeze even more benefit from this reactor if the research topics are “darkened” and every night a heavily loaded truck is sent to the nearest railway station under heavy guard, which will be driving a large-size model in a large heavy lead container to the nearest railway station Obama, for example. When the hysteria about the experiments fatal for all mankind reaches its zenith, exchange the refusal to use the reactor for military purposes, the US refusal from missile defense or from Syria. wink
    2. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 14 September 2015 19: 50 New
      -1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Thorium energy ... Hmm, but someone here wrote on the forum and sputtered that “thorium” has no future, despite operating reactors in Norway, etc. Well, well ....

      "TORIUM ENERGETICS" Do not drive crap! Thorium element involved in obtaining the active element U-233 and no more.
  12. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 14 September 2015 16: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: kolkulon
    And what about the hadron collider? They built the whole world. Money swollen immeasurably. And silence. Once I saw him in action, and even then in the Terminator 3.


    Recently I watched the program on "Science 2.0" just on this topic - the collider works, but often with problems, which is not surprising, actually. Higgs boson was caught - coincided with the theory, new horizons, etc. As if these cranks didn’t make any quark decay or a small black hole (but we have enough). Moreover, they themselves acknowledge that this is possible.
    Do not pull the tail if it is not known what is on the other end.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 September 2015 16: 23 New
      +1
      Do not pull the tail if it is not known what is on the other end.

      I think that the maximum that they will fall into is the 70 ring trench in depth and a couple of hundred in width. For more energy is not enough. Out of nothing much happens. Nuclear materials in significant quantities are not there, and electron, proton and other beams, even if they go beyond the accelerator, will not be able to cause great harm.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 14 September 2015 16: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        . For more energy is not enough. Out of nothing much happens.

        Not a fact, not a fact.
        The chain reaction also seemed fantastic at first. And most interestingly, no one voiced the purpose of the collider. All scientists tell tales about banal curiosity, such as "what will happen?"
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 14 September 2015 16: 52 New
          +1
          All scientists tell tales about banal curiosity, such as "what will happen?"

          I'm not talking about that. They knew about the chain reaction, there was a theoretical basis, calculations. Here we are dealing with the unknown. Moreover, at the level to which we hardly get, spending a huge amount of energy.
          But in the observable space, they have not yet found anything more powerful than the thermonuclear reaction in stars and powerful gamma-ray bursts from the same dying or dead stars. These are huge volumes of matter, huge temperatures and pressures. Yes, and decent time intervals.
          Which of these do we have? A couple of hundred GeV (gigaelectron-volts)? Chilled to -270 degrees tube with protons? Even compared to the energy of the sun - garbage.
  13. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 14 September 2015 16: 16 New
    0
    Fast neutron reactor ... which means it will produce PLUTONIUM. wink

    for producing isotopes


    And so, it would be nice and polonium-210 laughing
  14. wild weld
    wild weld 14 September 2015 16: 19 New
    0
    great news let them make new materials
  15. Haettenschweiler
    Haettenschweiler 14 September 2015 16: 19 New
    -7
    "Vostochny Cosmodrome", part two, not the last.
    Will the equipment be Russian, or again American, assembled by Indians in China?
    And most importantly, who will work with him? Where dear "projectors" will recruit specialists? Pull from other places, from the Novosibirsk Academgorodok? But why, there they have enough of their work, believe me. Youth? And who will teach her, even if in such places as the Ural Mining and Geological University the faculties of "administration", "design", "economics" have opened and the demand there, unlike EGP, or there, the ACS is simply frantic. I will not even talk about the quality of teaching - there are also such teachers who, without hiding, call "dachshund" and accept "envelopes", and you can walk without walking. And you will receive a diploma, red even, especially if you bring a couple of “envelopes” to the “right” people.
    And such problems - the end-edge is not visible. The search for a solution is also not visible. On the contrary, the "ministers" are adopting new "ingenious" programs, such as the compulsory teaching of two foreign languages ​​in a regular high school ... Medvedev demanded that emphasis be placed on physical education - which is understandable, his "authorities" were preferable to stupid "bulls", and "wise guys" and "clever women" (children of "cones" of all stripes) will learn to manage this "cattle" in England, the USA, France, etc. - the new Minister of Education, you see, focuses on “linguistics” (apparently, he is preparing our children to serve the new “masters” in a quality manner).
    So what the hell, except for not tearing to pieces a very impoverished, but such a sweet budget, is this witch built?
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 14 September 2015 18: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: Haettenschweiler
      "Vostochny Cosmodrome", part two, not the last.
      Will the equipment be Russian, or again American, assembled by Indians in China?

      And google is not destiny at all? Russia is now the only country with working technologies for fast neutron reactors. What are the Americans? fool
      1. Haettenschweiler
        Haettenschweiler 14 September 2015 18: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Sid.74
        And google is not destiny at all? Russia is now the only country with working technologies for fast neutron reactors. What are the Americans?


        And google is not fate at all?
        Computer support of technological processes of reactors what is carried out? There are more electronics than in Buran. This is still not the Chernobyl nuclear power plant.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 14 September 2015 19: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Haettenschweiler
          Computer maintenance of the process technology of the reactors?

          Well, do you really think that the programs for Russian NPPs are being written in the USA? What interesting knowledge would they have if they had already closed their experimental fast-neutron reactors?
          Or do you think that automation for Russian NPPs is from the USA?
          Well, the nonsense is the same. Germany shut down the project in the eighties. Japan in 90 and the UK closed the project in 2000. In China, a similar experimental reactor was built using Rosatom technology.
          Well, doesn’t it work on a nuclear power plant?
          1. Haettenschweiler
            Haettenschweiler 14 September 2015 22: 38 New
            -1
            Quote: Sid.74
            Well, do you really think that the programs for Russian NPPs are being written in the USA? What interesting knowledge would they have if they had already closed their experimental fast-neutron reactors?
            Or do you think that automation for Russian NPPs is from the USA?
            Well, the nonsense is the same. Germany shut down the project in the eighties. Japan in 90 and the UK closed the project in 2000. In China, a similar experimental reactor was built using Rosatom technology.
            Well, doesn’t it work on a nuclear power plant?


            Firstly, I want to focus your attention on the main issues that concern me: why и for whom this reactor will be built. The construction, as I am not without reason convinced, will turn into another colossal “feeding trough” for “approximate” all ranks. In addition to enormous losses, I see nothing good in this venture.
            Secondly, with regard to the essence of your question: it is necessary to distinguish between the principle of operation of the reactor itself and its "support", which is expressed in the electrics and electronics of the main, auxiliary and backup systems. For a clearer expression of my thoughts I will allow myself to be rude: we have a fast-neutron reactor. This is a giant well in which the process of decay of nuclei takes place, which causes a huge amount of thermal energy to be released, which converts water into steam and turns turbines that produce energy. On this, the reactor itself, in fact, ended. Then the mains begin, which divert the energy to the consumer (one main system), and a bunch of monitoring equipment, including the equipment for "emergency reactor quenching" (second main system). So, it makes no difference to me which operating system will be on the operator’s terminal. Let there be "Windows", let domestic developments ... it's all husk. More importantly, what will be hidden in the computer case - the processor "intel" or "elbrus"? If "elbrus", then the periphery - a system for displaying images on a monitor, for example? Not to mention RAM and other minor things. What about control and management cabinets? If domestic, then what, because Russia does not produce electronic programmable control cabinets, as far as I know. Again, everything is not so good with the “Elbrus” - its cost today is about 200.000 rubles apiece, with a power equal to the ancient “Intel” about two cores, which costs a thousand and a half - two (new! Although now, because of the dollar , maybe a little more expensive). Of course, it would be racially correct to shout “Hooray! Peremoga! Death pind ... yourself!”, But ... so far there are more questions with this thing than answers, and the questions are all so ... unpleasant yourself.
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 15 September 2015 06: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: Haettenschweiler
              First, I want to focus your attention on the main issues that I care about: why and for whom this reactor will be built.

              For the development of Russian science, for medicine, as an experimental site. A new reactor will allow scientists to perform experiments in 3 – 4 more quickly, which previously took years. It will explore new types of nuclear fuel, energy carriers, as well as receive radioisotopes, which are then used for medical purposes. The construction of this reactor is extremely advanced: it uses only domestic materials and equipment. The head of RosAtom, Vladislav Pershukov, claims that already many foreign scientific centers are interested in working at the facility. This will make it possible to use the reactor in the commercial sphere, since the largest technology companies will also bring in large investments.
              Quote: Haettenschweiler
              Again, with the "Elbrus" is not so good - its cost today is about 200.000 rubles apiece, with a power equal to the ancient "intel" of the two cores, which is worth a thousand and a half - two

              And the power of the processor, uh-uh, is this forgiven how? request
              Well, okay ... there are eight cores on it, the performance of the Elbrus-8С will be 250Gflops, which almost corresponds to the level of the top Intel processors.
              The processor developer, MCST, is part of the United Instrument Making Corporation, which, in turn, is part of Rostec.
              For the price, yes ... but as normal production capacities appear, the price for them will fall. And the customers will be more likely from the MO or MIC and not mere mortals.
              And about the extensive use of our processors, well, not long left to wait.
              The Chinese IT company Lenovo can start using processors made by the Russian company Baikal Electronics in its personal computers and mobile devices.
              http://russian.rt.com/article/115341
              1. Haettenschweiler
                Haettenschweiler 15 September 2015 09: 38 New
                -1
                Construction will be very expensive even in the form of a project. The final amount can be safely multiplied by an order of magnitude, and this is still a very optimistic view of things. Whoever takes control of him. Let me remind you of the same high-profile project of the Vostochny spaceport. And how many less high-profile cases are there? The construction of an Olympic town, for example. So, not the most impressive Russian budget will suffer enormous losses.
                What is the plus that this project will give Russia? The science? She won’t get anything new, fantastic. Ninety percent of breakthrough technologies come from the field of non-applied science. That is, from the part that, in general, in Russia, do not count. Because it doesn’t promise immediate profit, but “brains”, those that still remain, have not “leaked out”, work precisely in the fields of applied science, where you can earn at least a little. And to make money, sadly, not in terms of government orders and projects, but in cooperation with private firms. For example, the chemical laboratory of the Ural State University for five years of work with the Samsung company (development and production of new small-sized lithium-ion batteries) received more than twenty years of state funding. Moreover, three quarters of this money went “up” to the scum who didn’t hit finger for finger either for the project or for concluding a contract, but with whom “one cannot help sharing”.
                Medicine? I don’t have much knowledge here, but you can turn on ordinary logic: research in medicine, radioisotopes, which may be used in medicine ... do you need this? As for me, absolutely not. Because the hospitals themselves in Russia are overwhelmingly in extremely poor condition. There is a lack of equipment and personnel, even for already "developed" technologies, what kind of radioisotopes are there ... for staff there is not enough funding - again. In Moscow, they say, doctors will still be reduced. And, apparently, not only in Moscow. So is it really impossible to use this money - considerable - to evenly improve the state of medicine in the country, for example? It is possible, but there will be less “bite” - the reactor is being built and is under construction, who saw tons, for example, concrete poured into the foundation, but new equipment in hospitals - it is either there or not. As well as a salary increase for doctors. Or the expansion of staff among doctors.
                Here is a link to the ICST company: http://www.mcst.ru/mikroprocessory-i-sbis?dyn=1&type[†=t5&page=1
                The Elbrus-8C processor is simply not on the list of manufactured products. Upper ceiling: "Elbrus-4C", about four cores, with a frequency of 0.8 GHz each. This really is not so bad anymore, I just have not looked at them for a long time, here, of course, I'm wrong. Although the question of price remains relevant, as is the question of the periphery of computer support.
            2. annodomene
              annodomene 15 September 2015 12: 36 New
              +3
              Regarding computers and control and monitoring cabinets - pay attention to TRANSPORT Nuclear Power Plants, there they have somehow decided for some time ... I want to say that in this regard there is no need to invent a bicycle. hi
              1. Haettenschweiler
                Haettenschweiler 15 September 2015 13: 25 New
                -1
                Quote: annodomene
                TRANSPORT Nuclear Power Plants


                Stop. And what does the transport (apparently ship?) Nuclear power plants have to do with it?
  16. I doubt it
    I doubt it 14 September 2015 16: 27 New
    -1
    All right. It's like that.
    For the sake of completeness, you just need to add that in the same Dimitrovgrad, along the way, they plan to build the largest oncological center in Russia.
    "Nothing on earth passes without a trace ..."
    Well, citizens, who wants to move closer to this miracle of science and technology, which you so admire?
    Your positive only because it does not concern you. And you will not pay with your health for the benefit of all mankind.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 September 2015 16: 31 New
      +3
      . And you will not pay with your health

      Do not write nonsense. Even at nuclear plants, near the reactor, the radioactive background does not exceed the norm. Although, if you intend to meddle in the hot zone, I advise you to put on a sealed bag with a tied rope, so that it is easier to get you out of there.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 14 September 2015 19: 11 New
      +4
      We have right ... there are about a dozen reactors about a kilometer from me .. The background at the plant is 13mrch ... it's less than on a sunny day on the beach ..
      In oncology, the composition of the water you drink is much more dangerous .. than a working nuclear reactor.
  17. roskot
    roskot 14 September 2015 16: 36 New
    -1
    Apparently this is a new collider. We decided to build ourselves. You will not agree with the Swiss.
  18. RiverVV
    RiverVV 14 September 2015 16: 55 New
    0
    Crowd of Naturalists
    The secrets of life stare
    And their life sends to e .... th mother
    Through their mighty appliances.
  19. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 14 September 2015 17: 02 New
    +1
    But what about "all gone"?
  20. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 14 September 2015 17: 21 New
    -1
    Quote: Wedmak
    All scientists tell tales about banal curiosity, such as "what will happen?"

    I'm not talking about that. They knew about the chain reaction, there was a theoretical basis, calculations. Here we are dealing with the unknown. Moreover, at the level to which we hardly get, spending a huge amount of energy.
    But in the observable space, they have not yet found anything more powerful than the thermonuclear reaction in stars and powerful gamma-ray bursts from the same dying or dead stars. These are huge volumes of matter, huge temperatures and pressures. Yes, and decent time intervals.
    Which of these do we have? A couple of hundred GeV (gigaelectron-volts)? Chilled to -270 degrees tube with protons? Even compared to the energy of the sun - garbage.


    The fact of the matter is that with the UNKNOWN. We got to the quarks, this is not the limit, quarks are also divisible. What can happen when subatomic bonds are broken, cranks themselves do not know. The vacuum, it turns out, is not a void, the energy in it is the sea (I did not invent it). Already a whole doctor of sciences appeared in that program, and to the direct question: "But you will not do business?" replied: "Theory does not exclude.". Something like this .
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 September 2015 18: 50 New
      +2
      "And you do not do business?" replied: "Theory does not exclude.". Something like this .

      Well, I basically agree. Well, okay. One planet less, one more who cares at all ... wassat In the medium term, the evolution of stars ...
  21. Cartman
    Cartman 14 September 2015 19: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Darkmor
    It’s a pity that we still haven’t learned how to put cold fusion engines on cars - so the auto industry would have gone out of the ass.

    our car industry does not need engines, although they would also not hurt, but high-quality assembly and improved comfort.
  22. Michael - 235
    Michael - 235 14 September 2015 21: 56 New
    0
    The presentation presented to the readers' court probably did not knowingly provide a specific and detailed reference to the source of the original publication and the author, while the newspaper Vzglyad was modestly mentioned, and such a presentation naturally causes readers to distrust and doubt the authenticity of the event.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 15 September 2015 00: 07 New
      +1
      http://www.interfax.ru/russia/466193

      http://www.rosatom.ru/journalist/atomicsphere/dc408e8045d9c27ca32af7d203d7ee18

      so believe?
  23. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 14 September 2015 23: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Wedmak
    "And you do not do business?" replied: "Theory does not exclude.". Something like this .

    Well, I basically agree. Well, okay. One planet less, one more who cares at all ... wassat In the medium term, the evolution of stars ...


    Indeed, if only the Galaxy would evolve (“If only my native country lived,
    and no other worries. ")
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 September 2015 02: 55 New
    0
    The thing is probably useful, this reactor, although nifiga is not clear.
    But what I heard about such reactors is that fuel assemblies can be generated “dry” on them without leaving long-lived radioactive waste.