Pistol Bergmann No.5 Model 1897 of the Year (Bergmann M1897 No.5)

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After it became clear that the 1896 pistols of the year were not recognized by the military, Theodor Bergmann and Louis Schmeiser began designing a new pistol model. They set themselves two main goals: the use of a more powerful cartridge and the use of a new mechanism for locking the bolt. The free gate simply could not provide reliable locking of the barrel when using powerful ammunition. The pistol had to compete successfully with the famous K-96 Mauser that appeared on the market. New weapon Bergmann pistol No.5 model 1897 of the year (Bergmann M1897 No.5) was named.

Pistol Bergmann No.5 Model 1897 of the Year (Bergmann M1897 No.5)


Probably due to the desire not to yield to Mauser, a cartridge was developed that almost completely copied the 7,63 × 25 mm Mauser cartridge. Bergmann's patron differed only slightly longer than the neck length of the sleeve and was called 7,8 × 25 mm Bergmann. The initial flight speed of the bullet cartridge 7,8 × 25 mm pistol Bergmann №5 - 400 m / s.



Comparing the 7,8 mm cartridge Bergmann with its predecessors, we can note not only a larger caliber, but also a larger amount of gunpowder, which significantly increases the power of the ammunition and makes it quite acceptable for military use. The photo from left to right shows: 5 mm cartridge Bergmann with a groove of a sleeve and without it, 6,5 mm cartridge Bergmann with a groove in the bottom of the sleeve under the ejector and without it, 7,8 mm Bergmann cartridge and Bergmann 8 mm cartridge number Bergmann №4.



The design of the gun Bergmann №5 is protected by German patent number98318, from 10 March 1897 year. A little later, Bergmann received a patent # 17251 from 9 October 1897 of the year for his new gun in the UK. Automatic pistol uses recoil energy in the short course of the barrel. One of the main design features of the Bergmann M1897 pistol No.5 is the locking mechanism. The shutter when unlocked, moves in the lateral plane, which is very atypical for a short-barreled weapon.



The lugs are located on the left side of the bolt and enter into the corresponding grooves on the inner surface of the protrusion of the barrel. A flat spring on the right side of the receiver holds the bolt protrusions in the grooves of the barrel protrusion. After the shot, the bolt and barrel remain locked and together under the effect of recoil they move in the opposite direction approximately 6 mm. Further, the inclined surface of the rear part of the locking protrusions of the bolt rests on the inclined part of the receiver and the bolt begins to shift to the right, coming out of the coupling with the barrel. After uncoupling, the barrel stops, and the bolt continues to retreat to the extreme rear position, removing the cartridge case from the chamber and cocking the trigger. Reaching the rearmost position, the bolt under the action of the return spring begins to move forward, sending another cartridge into the chamber from the store.



It was possible to find a photo of one of the first prototypes of the Bergmann pistols No.5. Outwardly, he is very reminiscent of a pistol, a graphic image of which is shown on the German patent number XXUMX. A characteristic feature that distinguishes it from the later releases of the 98318 model pistols of the year is the presence of a sector-like sight of a different design. The sight is located at the top of the receiver and resembles a Mauzer sight. A different shape and location has a spring bolt locking mechanism on the right side of the receiver.



At one of the gun auction for 14 000 dollars, a prototype or transition model of a Bergmann M1897 pistol # XXUMX was sold. On the right side of the frame there is a bracket for attaching a removable butt, similar to the Bergmann No. XXUMX pistols. Holes to control the amount of spent cartridges made only on the right side of the frame. Unusual and button design to extract the store.



The barrel of the weapon has a round cross-section. The single-row magazine of increased length has side stoppers for fixing in the weapon. The cheeks of the handle are simple wooden without a notch and marking.



There are no serial numbers on the details of the pistol and from the marking there is only a logo in the form of a miner with a pickaxe without additional inscriptions. All this testifies that this is the prototype of the Bergmann pistol No.5, made directly at the Bergmann factory.



The top of the gun looks just a bit unusual. In the back of the recess, made on top of the shutter, a simple slotted rear sight is visible.



The Bergmann Pistol No.5 of mass production has a slightly conical round-shaped barrel. The barrel is screwed into the threaded part of the receiver, which has a rectangular cross-section.



The length of the barrel of a pistol varies and is usually in the range of 89-133 mm. On the left side of the frame in the area of ​​the chamber there is a hole, as in previous models of the gun. Pistol Bergmann №5 equipped with a horizontally adjustable front sight of a triangular shape.



Many of the structural elements remain the same and resemble the earlier 1896 and 1894 models of the year. The trigger mechanism as in previous models of weapons of simple single action. At the same place in the back of the frame to the right is the safety lever. Almost the same was the process of disassembling weapons. Especially for a military pistol was developed sector-sight "P" -shaped shape, placed in the side grooves of the receiver.



Graduation is applied on the left side of the sight. The sight allowed to adjust the weapon for firing at a distance: 100, 300, 500, 700, 900 and 1000 meters. The distance of 1000 meters was rather an attempt not to yield to Mauser, since it is unlikely that a weapon is capable of conducting effective aimed shooting at such a distance. On the left side of the frame there is a lock button for the sight, allowing you to move the sight vertically and fix its position at the selected shooting distance.



In the gun Bergmann M1897 №5 was used removable box-shaped magazine, which is located in the frame in front of the trigger guard. Shop two-row, with a capacity of 10 cartridges. On the sides of the magazine, 5 holes are made to control the presence of cartridges. The store has the ability to load batch directly on the weapon through the window at the top of the receiver or manually when it is removed from the pistol.



The usual marking at the top of the receiver of a pistol is a text in two lines: "PISTOLE BERGMANN / PATENT BREVETE SGDG".



Sometimes on the weapon there is another mark “DEM ERKENNER DER BERGMANN-PISTOLE / DR. REINH. GUNTHER VON THEOD. BERGMANN.



Military Bergmann M1897 №5 is equipped with an attached holster butt. The clamp for fixing the butt was located at the bottom of the handle. We already saw a similar design of a clamp in pistols of Bergmann No. XXUMX.



Bergmann's leather holster-butt #5 in the lower part has a metal protrusion for fixing on the arms of the weapon. The holster is equipped with a pocket for a removable magazine.



Removable holsters-butts at the end of the 19 century were a fairly frequent attribute of army pistols. In the same Mauser K-96 wooden holster served as a removable butt, turning the gun into a small carbine.



In my opinion, again influenced by the work of a competitor and looking at his pistol-carbine Mauser K-96 Theodor Bergmann launches his pistol-carbine.



Carabiner Bergmann has a wooden attached butt. In the lower part of the butt and in the lower part of the trunk there are antabas for fastening the belt.



The weapon is equipped with a barrel length 343 mm. For such a long barrel, it was necessary to increase the length of the front, threaded part of the frame. The rest of the design of the gun Bergmann №5 remained almost unchanged. The handle has the usual shape, the cheeks of the handle are made of hard rubber with the letter “B” in the upper part.



On the upper part of the receiver there is a marking, indicating that the weapon was actually made as a carbine "KARABINER BERGMANN, PATENT BREVETE SGDG".



Pistol Bergmann #5 was on several trials and tested for use as an army pistol. The Swiss did their testing in the 1897 year and the 1898 year, and most likely found the gun too fragile or unreliable. The British military, who tested the gun in the 1902 year, considered the weapon potentially acceptable, but did not put it into service, because, according to their understanding, the caliber and weight of the bullet was insufficient for an army pistol, especially in comparison with its .455 Webley cartridge. There is information that the US Army Department tested the gun in 1901, but did not purchase it for further testing.



In an effort to diversify their products, Bergmann is trying to provide the fifth model of his pistol with additional options. Here is an example of a Bergman pistol No.5 with a serial number 96, the handle of which is equipped with improved pads intended for target shooting. Special nut handles with a small notch, mounted on the base of black hard rubber, the most ergonomic for the hands of the shooter. At the bottom of the handle there is still a lock for a removable holster-butt.



According to rough estimates, around 800 pistols No. 5 Bergmann were released. The weapon failed to attract potential buyers and Bergmann did not receive a single military order. Almost all pistols were mostly sold in the commercial market.

Currently Bergmann No.5 model 1897, like other Bergmann pistols are in high demand among collectors. Rarely when the price of a gun at auctions is less than 10 000 dollars. Individual pistols or carbines are sometimes 20 000 - 30 000 dollars.
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  1. +3
    19 September 2015
    Cartridges without grooves under the extractor? And what to do in case of misfire? This is not a revolver, everything is more complicated here.
  2. +3
    19 September 2015
    The article is interesting, but I personally do not imagine the fate of such a pistol in the army, judging by the appearance, he was very afraid.
  3. +4
    19 September 2015
    The article is very interesting and informative. In those years, gunsmiths were actively looking for a design capable of replacing revolvers, many interesting and amazing patterns were born. Thank you for the article.
  4. +3
    19 September 2015
    The article is interesting, but neither weight nor dimensions are indicated. Compared to the Mauser, magazine loading is already more convenient, but the holes in the store and many protruding parts.
    Mauser is prettier.
  5. +1
    19 September 2015
    The weapon was never able to attract potential buyers and Bergmann did not receive a single military order.

    He did not attract them. Weapons were not created for the army. And for her it was completely unsuitable. For those who like to write such things, I inform you that army weapons occupy only part of the small arms niche.
    Almost all pistols were mainly sold in the commercial market.

    Hit exactly as intended. The pistols of Bergman, and later Mauser, were positioned as weapons for hunters and travelers. It was only the illiterate Bolsheviks who adapted the three-line Mauser cartridge for the army. Where was he for her, like a cow's saddle. Ignorant what to take from them. Academies did not finish.
    1. 0
      19 September 2015
      Let me put you a plus, otherwise I’m looking at you, they offend or misunderstand ... God, you are the judge ...
      1. 0
        22 September 2015
        Quote: moskowit
        otherwise I’m looking at you, offending, or misunderstanding ...

        Offend? Who! And How? Shkolota pimples cons? To make me interested in this somehow ...
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    2. +1
      20 September 2015
      [quote = turk] [quote] It is only the illiterate Bolsheviks who adapted the three-line Mauser cartridge for the army. Where was he for her, like a cow's saddle. Ignorant what to take from them. Academies did not finish. [/ Quote]

      Tell about this to the Fritz and the Japanese who died in the Second World War and lying in the graves.
      1. 0
        22 September 2015
        Quote: Doznanied
        Tell about this to the Fritz and the Japanese who died in the Second World War and lying in the graves.

        I’d better remind you of the number of graves of compatriots. And I’ll hint that if there were quality weapons in the USSR, a lot of compatriots could not get there. Swap places with the Fritz and the Japanese. In the graves.
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  6. +2
    19 September 2015
    But Mauser did not receive a single military order, but he fought in 1. and 2mv. In tsarist Russia, officers were allowed to buy the Mauser K96 as a personal weapon in Nagan’s place. (After graduation, newly made officers bought their own weapons) According to the price list in 1911, Mauser cost 45rub. Nagan 37.
    But Bergman was late and not widespread.
  7. +1
    19 September 2015
    But Mauser did not receive a single military order, but he fought in 1. and 2mv. In tsarist Russia, officers were allowed to buy the Mauser K96 as a personal weapon in Nagan’s place. (After graduation, newly made officers bought their own weapons) According to the price list in 1911, Mauser cost 45rub. Nagan 37.
    But Bergman was late and not widespread.
  8. 0
    19 September 2015
    ..
    - funny thing
    - but with a long barrel - a shotgun is more fun
    / + per article /
  9. 0
    19 September 2015
    For the article, plus. Let's send it to the general knowledge heading. Thanks. Pistole is clearly a Mauser compilation ....
  10. +3
    19 September 2015
    "It was only the illiterate Bolsheviks who adapted the three-line Mauser cartridge for the army. Where he was for her, like a cow's saddle. Ignorance of what to take from them. The Academy did not finish."

    Oh well. And you know that the rejected barrels from the Mosin rifle, "three-line", were used for the production of pistols and revolvers. Therefore, the caliber was dictated ... Read, read and read. And the TRUTH will be revealed to you.

    I don’t put a minus, I don’t have a habit ...
    1. 0
      19 September 2015
      You are wrong. Some nerd made this joke about the trunks and the ace picked her up in chorus. Imagine how many mosquitoes need to be rejected in order to concoct three million Nagans and as many TT pistols. The caliber was simply unified to avoid equipment multiplication. The tools and machine tools for cutting trunks were used the same.
      1. 0
        21 September 2015
        Quote: Alexey Garbuz
        The tools and machine tools for cutting trunks were used the same.

        Yes, of course!
    2. 0
      20 September 2015
      Quote: moskowit
      And you know that the rejected barrels from the Mosin rifle, "three-line", were used for the production of pistols and revolvers.

      And regiments, are these divisions sawn into pieces? And the M-30 is not the resulting A-19?
      That's why I love these sites, so it's the flight of users' imagination. "Dig deep." bully wassat laughing
      Of course, nothing like that was even nearby. Take an interest in barrel manufacturing technology. Take an interest in the Italian experience. Thrifty Italians generally had a huge number of two-caliber systems. From guns to battleships to rifles. Worn and defective trunks ALWAYS BORROWED to a larger caliber. This is technologically normal. And not what you write about.
      Quote: moskowit
      Therefore, the caliber was dictated ...

      The caliber was dictated by the 7,62x25 mm TT cartridge. And the cartridge was dictated by the fact that the Bolsheviks bought a decent batch of Mauser-Bolos (not an army pistol, army Mauser were in 9 mm caliber). But imported cartridges were expensive. And not all "esteemed comrades" got it in the quantities they wanted. Therefore, we purchased a line for the production of these cartridges. And then the "cripples" have already gone on a cartridge unsuitable for the army.
      Quote: moskowit
      Read, read and read. And the truth will be revealed to you.

      That directly concerns you directly.
      1. +1
        21 September 2015
        Quote: bergma
        That's what I love these sites for, it’s for the flight of users’ imagination.
        In this you have no equal citizen bergma or maybe more correctly turk or ZECO or 190815? Himself is not confused what is your name? Maybe it's time to understand that your delusional fantasies in the spirit of Kuptsov and other schizophrenics in VO do not channel and only people laugh at the knowledgeable people?
        Quote: bergma
        Take an interest in barrel manufacturing technology.

        Brief information for thought (although can people with cerebral nephritis do this? laughing ) the bore of the Mosin rifle, Nagan revolver and TT pistol have a field caliber of 7,62 along the bottom of the grooves of 7,92, the groove pitch of 240 mm of the cross-sectional area of ​​0,46 cm2 - i.e. completely identical and are made on the same equipment using the same gauge tools and other things.
        Quote: bergma
        the cartridge was dictated by the fact that the Bolsheviks bought a decent batch of Mauser-Bolo

        The cartridge was dictated by the fact that, first of all, it was suitable for ballistic characteristics and was identical in caliber to the rifle and machine gun, which made it possible to simplify the production of barrels.
        Quote: bergma
        And not all "esteemed comrades" got it in the quantities they wanted. Therefore, we also purchased a line for the production of these cartridges. And then the "cripples" have already gone on a cartridge unsuitable for the army.

        What a flight of fancy, what expression! Bravo! laughing
        it’s a pity that the author of this epochal maxim just a regular obsessive Internet schizophrenic who is already creating a fifth or sixth profile on VO. laughing
        1. 0
          22 September 2015
          Quote: gross kaput
          the bore of the Mosin rifle, Nagan revolver and TT pistol have a field caliber of 7,62 at the bottom of the rifling 7,92, rifling pitch 240 mm cross-sectional area of ​​0,46 cm2 - i.e. completely identical and are made on the same equipment using the same gauge tools and other things.

          Y-yes. Well, here's how to argue with such a "miracle in feathers"? It knows nothing and does not want to know.
          What is 7.92 mm for a TT? He has a bullet before the passage of the bore was 7.85 mm in diameter? She will hang out in the defective trunk of the mosquito, that caliber has much more rifling.
          And the number of rifling? And the steepness of the rifling? And the course of the rifling? For a 5,52 g and 9,6 g bullet, is this all the same?
          All. I won’t explain anything else. Not interested.
          Quote: gross kaput
          which was primarily suitable for ballistic characteristics and identical in caliber to rifle-machine guns, which made it possible to simplify the production of trunks.

          Tell this nonsense to the snotty pioneers. And do not forget to think of why such a good cartridge was used only in the army of one country. Only in an uneducated Council of Deputies. And why, after the war, they refused such a bad patron. Incl. and in the Council of Deputies. And why in the end it all ended with Pat. Which has been used by the whole "stupid capitalist world" for many decades already.
          Try to come up with the same excuses for the "world's most advanced" intermediate cartridge 7,62x39 mm. Which, like the weapons on it, was produced only in one, not the most educated and advanced country in the world. On it this country the only one in the world produced "the best machine gun of all time." True, then for some reason she removed it from service. But then you will figure out why this is so. More reliable.
          Quote: gross kaput
          sorry just the author of this epochal maxim ordinary obsessive internet schizophrenic

          It will be interesting to me to understand, from what time are you able to understand obvious things to everyone? Elementary, in general. Or maybe not at all able to? Maybe you don’t have such a device? We will see.
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    4. -1
      22 September 2015
      Quote: moskowit
      And you know that the rejected barrels from the Mosin rifle, "three-line", were used for the production of pistols and revolvers. Therefore, the caliber was dictated ...

      Those. the fact that each such barrel, with the similarity of the numbers of the caliber, has completely different rifling (rifling pitch, and this makes them steep and tilted), you do not know. And to cut the second time the defective barrel will not work. Clear.
      Quote: moskowit
      Read, read and read. And the truth will be revealed to you

      Read. About Mauser Bolo. And it will open. You.
      1. 0
        22 September 2015
        Quote: turk
        the pitch of the rifling, and from this their steepness and angle

        For large specialists, I inform the pitch of the grooves of TT, Nagan, Mosinki, SVT, DP, Maxim 240 mm, the lifting angle is 5,54 g, the caliber in the fields is 7,62 along the bottom of the grooves is 7,92, the cross-sectional area is 0,46 cm2, the shape is trapezoid - only here the dreamers have no time to read books, and the data from the books does not fit into their alternative history. laughing
  11. +1
    19 September 2015
    This "senseless" Mauser cartridge was also used in such systems of small arms as PPD, PPSh, PPS, TT, with this weapon the Soviet warrior defeated a mortal enemy!

    With this weapon and this cartridge the Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Cubans and representatives of the countries of Africa and the Middle East beat their enemies ...

    "So much for the Bolshevik ignoramuses" ...
    1. +1
      19 September 2015
      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. -4
      20 September 2015
      Quote: moskowit
      with this weapon a Soviet warrior defeated a mortal enemy!

      Very pathetic. But completely off topic.
      Think about how much more convenient it would be for a "Soviet soldier to defeat a mortal enemy" with high-quality, high-quality (conditioned) weapons. Think also about reducing losses. Among these same "Soviet soldiers".
      Quote: moskowit
      the Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Cubans and representatives of the countries of Africa and the Middle East beat their enemies ...

      This is what the Bolsheviks presented, so they beat. They would give pitchforks and axes, beat them with pitchforks and axes.
      1. +1
        21 September 2015
        bergma I wonder if you yourself believe in the nonsense that you write? Judging by the maniacal perseverance with which you register new accounts on VO, you are just a little sick and you have a fall aggravation, which is standard for people like you.
        1. 0
          22 September 2015
          Quote: gross kaput
          bergma I wonder if you yourself believe in the nonsense that you write?

          You ignoramus, that's the point. Such bawlers are sometimes found in ordinary life. Unfortunately, they do not understand words and arguments. Only through the "melon". But this is the Internet, there are other orders. Therefore, you will not be able to explain anything. You just don't understand, you can't. My condolences to you.
    3. +1
      22 September 2015
      Quote: moskowit
      with this weapon a Soviet warrior defeated a mortal enemy!

      Wah! Wow. And with air-conditioning weapons would everything be much worse?
      Quote: moskowit
      With this weapon and this cartridge the Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Cubans and representatives of the countries of Africa and the Middle East beat their enemies ...

      For free and sweet vinegar.
      1. 0
        22 September 2015
        Quote: turk
        And with standard weapons, everything would be much worse

        Or maybe you would have been better with conditioned knowledge? but somehow you like to live in the world of your own fantasies. For reference - a huge amount of captured German weapons were transferred by us and by the Britons with amers to various "fronts" of the "people's liberation" and other movements in Africa and the Middle East, only somehow the MP-40 did not take root there, but the PPSh still still flicker, and dates with the Spaniards riveted PPP clones long after the war.
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