Media: Russian equipment on the "Mistral" may remain if the ships will be sold to India or Egypt

Moscow made it clear that the Russian equipment installed at the Mistralys will not be dismantled if helicopter carriers buy Egypt or India, reports Look with reference to Defense News.

“Russia could agree to receive equipment from India and Egypt,” writes the publication, citing sources in Paris. - Egypt is considered the main contender for helicopter carriers. Cairo’s purchase of Mistral could be financially supported by Saudi Arabia, thus enhancing Cairo’s naval capabilities in the light of threats from Yemen and Iran. ”

The newspaper reminds that the contract for the purchase of helicopter carriers was terminated on August 5, the amount of compensation was € 949 754 859. The agreement emphasizes that the French side “does not have the right to sell or re-export in any form to a third party” until the Russian Federation receives “the full amount of compensation and equipment” installed on board ships ordered by Moscow.

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[vladmetro]

In any case, Russia will not lose. It’s better to get money for existing equipment than to take it off and take it back to the country.

[SRC P-15]

Moscow made it clear that the Russian equipment installed at Mistral will not be dismantled if helicopter carriers buy Egypt or India, reports Vzglyad citing Defense News.

... the tenth episode "Mistral Sago"!
Or is it a distant sight for the acquisition of these ships by Russia, through third countries?

[Now we are free]

In general, this is news from the category "The captain told the obvious ... When dismantling the Russian equipment and refusing to equip the Mistrals, the Ka-52K ships themselves turn into a suitcase without a handle ...
1) Dismantling Russian equipment - come on ...
2) Install new equipment (not provided by the design) - come on ...
3) New Air Group (not provided for by the design imprisoned for the Ka-52K) - come on ...
4) Russia can block the sale of Mistrals to any country (the French themselves stated this), wait for the delivery of the Mistrals (if you wait), and to the courts about the delay in delivery, give money ...

So that the Mistral can be sold / really needed: Egypt / India / China.
The CA will pay for the first by purchasing new / new toys for its pocket Egyptian army. The second and third countries may well pay for the purchase themselves.

[donavi49]

Well, how many times to write - that any (now any) ship helicopter can be based on the BPC Russe, including the hangar and the execution of sheets of inter-flight maintenance and minor repairs.

What has changed in BPC Russe relative to the base BPC Mistral?
- increasing the height of the hangar to ensure that the Ka-27М, Ka-29 and Ka-52 helicopter service sheet is completed.
- Strengthening fire protection measures in accordance with the requirements of the Navy.
- increase the carrying capacity of the main elevator, according to the requirements of the Navy.


Which of these prevents the use of lighter and lower Tigers? Lower Super Cougars and Dolphins?

[341712]

Quote: donavi49

Which of these prevents the use of lighter and lower Tigers? Lower Super Cougars and Dolphins?

Manufacturer's warranty)))))))))

[veksha50]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

. twentieth series "Sago about the Mistrals "!

!!!

I understand that a typo ... but - well and out of place ...

PS And to buy us through third countries ... speaking in an uncivilized language (otherwise you can’t say otherwise) - it’s a bit of a bitch, it’s hitting pride ...

And on the other hand, huge expenses for the infrastructure at the Pacific Fleet were incurred, and the Japanese were already very clumsy ...

In general, practically the custodians have already clicked on the nose in response, but then we will see ...

[SRC P-15]

Thanks for the comment, overlooked (from me +).

Quote: veksha50

PS And to buy us through third countries ... speaking in an uncivilized language (otherwise you can’t say otherwise) - it’s a bit of a bitch, it’s hitting pride ...

It seems to me that these "Mistrals" hit us so hard on our pride that we would not be caught in the same response (having bought the ships). Then the infrastructure costs at the Pacific Fleet will not be incurred in vain. Well, to click once again on the nose of the presumptuous French, God himself ordered!

[vodolaz]

Quote: vladmetro

In any case, Russia will not lose. It’s better to get money for existing equipment than to take it off and take it back to the country.

And then you can also earn on maintenance.

[Tra-ta-ta]

And then you can also earn on maintenance.
..and rent, and return the crew ..!

[veksha50]

Quote: Tra-ta-ta

And then you can also earn on maintenance.
..and rent, and return the crew ..!

Tra-ta-ta ....

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Most likely India! And Russia will make good money on this ... According to the idea, we do not need such "galoshes" ... And India is just right for the Indian Ocean and ports and money! And we will help with joy!

[veksha50]

Quote: MIKHAN

According to the idea, we do not need such "galoshes".

Almost finished infrastructure in Vladik ... rushing-raving yapps for whom at least one Mistral at the Pacific Fleet will be like a Faberge sickle ...

Although for the convoy guard of Mistral (Vladivostok), ships are also needed ... one problem strung on itself a lot of problems ... Eh ...

[Finches]

I still, apparently from a poverty of mind, did not understand - why the heck did we need "Mistrals" ??? Even without having any specific information, but only using open sources, one can see that in terms of its combat capabilities, our fleet in the Baltic is twice inferior to the fleets of Sweden and Finland, the fleet of Germany - four times, the Navy of England and France - 5–8 times, on the Black Sea the Turkish fleet - 2-3 times, and the US fleet - 20-30 times! No wonder the sailors say: the Northern Fleet is the very fleet, the Pacific Fleet is the same fleet, the Baltic Fleet was a fleet, the Black Sea Fleet was something of a fleet! It’s clear that we have lost financially, but if we hadn’t started this mistral adventure, then this money could have been usefully spent on our Naval Forces!
Behind the Mistrals, an equally odious figure of Serdyukov looms, for which, if not for the official French refusal to give up ships, this story should have been the basis of another criminal case ....
Now all these tricks with India, Egypt ..., are personally perceived by me as an attempt to save a mine, with a very bad game!

[veksha50]

Quote: Finches

Now all these tricks with India, Egypt ..., are personally perceived by me as an attempt to save a mine, with a very bad game!

Nooo ... here just - exactly the opposite ...

At first, the custodians made us eat lemon ...

And now we force them to eat the Egyptian dung or Indian sacred cow’s cake ...

Feel the difference...

[Finches]

Come on you! They created a smut on their own with these Mistrals ... The French do not belong to themselves! Not ordered to give the French to the ships from Washington - therefore, as always, the Anglo-Saxons remained in profit, and we and the paddlers lost money, and some also lost face! It is good that, as planned, 4 Mistral were not built! Let me remind you that "We are planning to sign a contract for four such ships," - said the Minister of Defense of Russia A. Serdyukov (RIA Novosti, May 24.05.2010, XNUMX). I’m all of this to the fact that if we really needed such BDKs, then we knew how to build them and, I think, we can!

[Finches]

In this case, it can be regarded as a minus that the person who delivered it does not believe in either our shipbuilding specialists or the ability of Russia to carry out such complex engineering projects! But in vain ...

[veksha50]

Quote: Finches

I’m all of this to the fact that if we really needed such BDKs, then we knew how to build them and, I think, we can!

This is another question ...

And in this case we are talking about these with whom we were turned-kidanuli ...

[Finches]

The United States threw us and this could have been assumed by contacting its NATO dog, a hostile bloc! And I do not think that this is shortsightedness, I believe that this is an ordinary betrayal of national interests!

[g1v2]

Starting next year, we plan to start building the udk. In terms of 6 pieces. The first will be ready no sooner than in 2020, but rather in the year 2023. And this despite that. that when creating our project, infa and the experience of the Mistrals were definitely used (otherwise the project would not have been ready before 2018). If the deal had not broken 2 udk, ALREADY would have been with us and prepared for joining the Navy, and another 4 would have been laid in OUR shipyards. That's why we needed this contract. Well, now in the next 5-8 years, our fleet will do without udk. THIS IS REALITY, NOT MANTRA ABOUT THE VILLAIN VILLAIN TABURETKIN.

[Finches]

For you, I will repeat once again, the comment I wrote above:

"We were thrown by the United States, and this could be assumed by contacting her pet dog in NATO, a hostile bloc! And I do not think that this is short-sightedness, I think that this is an ordinary betrayal of national interests!"

[Mikhail m]

Here and the order for helicopters will be tightened. Also a plus.

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Quote: Michael m

Here and the order for helicopters will be tightened. Also a plus.

It will not pull up, but is already being decided (being discussed). In plus for any.

[YGV-97219]

Quote: vladmetro

In any case, Russia will not lose. It’s better to get money for existing equipment than to take it off and take it back to the country.

It remains only to persuade India and Egypt to buy these sufferers!

[Corsair0304]

But this is already the headache of France)) At one time they made fun of us, now we send them a response alaverdi. The French seem to have just now doped into what kind of zh..pu they got into with these Mistrals: Hangars for our cars, the equipment is the same Russian and the absolute impossibility of selling without full payment of compensation to Russia. And while ours will slowly remove the equipment, while they will mount another ... it's all time, time and huge losses. And taking into account that refugees poured into old Europe, and there is no money anyway, and then there's this ...
In short, they will persuade both the Hindus and the Egyptians just to unload these two suitcases.

[veksha50]

Quote: yugv-xnumx

It remains only to persuade India and Egypt to buy these sufferers!

Well, Egypt, with the financial help of the Saudis, has already matured ... There shouldn't be any problems ... And it's not for nothing that our spacecraft are already going to buy ...

[donavi49]

Egypt sent 800 soldiers to Yemen already on coalition transports and will send 1200 during October.

At the same time, when he tried to get off Yemen, the main reason was called - insufficient opportunities for the transfer and supply of contingent.

Plus, Egypt has Libya, where both Babahi Mariba and the IG come to the border. Egypt is already delivering limited strikes, as agreed with the government in Tobruk.

Striking and conducting limited operations in the same Sirte, for example, would seriously hamper the actions of the IG, which can calmly expose the rear, without fear of anything. This with them almost played a cruel joke when the Libyan Dawn organized a riot in Sirte. And only that they could not bring the operation (the only City of Dawn of Libya did not manage to reach Sirte, most of the caches were not opened) to the starting point, saved the IS. Since the Dawn of Libya had to improvise and start unprepared.

[Corsair0304]

That Egypt and India are currently strategic partners of Russia why not strengthen them with helicopter carriers. Well, of course, tie it even more, because apart from our turntables, nothing can fit there. And service. The complete marketing plan is shorter. It is not enough just to sell, you also need to make sure that the garish descendants of the pharaohs and rajahs did not pick anything up in technology during operation.

[strannik1985]

Something I am in strong doubt that the purchase of the DVKD will strengthen the Egyptian Navy. The Saudis give money for the purchase, but for the maintenance and operation? Is there enough free money in the budget of the Egyptian fleet for this, or will it be necessary to reduce some costs? And how important is the carrying out of amphibious operations for the Egyptian Navy compared with other tasks?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: strannik1985

Something I am in strong doubt that the purchase of the DVKD will strengthen the Egyptian Navy. The Saudis give money for the purchase, but for the maintenance and operation? Is there enough free money in the budget of the Egyptian fleet for this, or will it be necessary to reduce some costs? And how important is the carrying out of amphibious operations for the Egyptian Navy compared with other tasks?

That's for sure. The Mistral is a ship of the ocean-going fleet, and Egypt needs it. And how exactly did you point out that the economy should precede any military acquisitions.

[veksha50]

Quote: strannik1985

And how important is landing operations for the Egyptian Navy compared to other tasks?

With such a question - only the General Staff of the Egyptian Navy should be contacted ...

PS Who knows, against whom they are with the Saudis so specifically and intensely friends ...

[veksha50]

Quote: Corsair0304

It is not enough just to sell, you also need to make sure that the garish descendants of the pharaohs and rajahs did not pick anything up in technology during operation.

So this is precisely what provides for our long-term and in monetary terms - beneficial cooperation for Russia ...

[Thronekeeper]

We have already received a billion euros. Upon sale, we will receive the cost of our feed parts - after all, according to the agreement, the francs have already undertaken to return the spares to us, otherwise piracy.
This is another billion. Installation of a universal complex KR / PKR / PLO "Caliber" for each boat, and different configurations, and spare b / k - this is still that money. Much cheaper is the "Broadsword" missile-artillery system. And on the little things. And the Alligator air groups, as well as boats, and BMP-3M and other "components", are more expensive than helicopter carriers. As a result, the francs remain with a loss of half a billion, and Russia with a profit of a couple of billion euros. + "Caliber" with supersonic anti-ship missiles and cruise missiles on the final trajectory with a range of up to 650 km with a replaceable set of warheads - depending on the buyer, it will treat constipation either by Israel and the Saudis, or the packs, and the United States in any case.

[wolf7]

the French side "has no right to sell or re-export in any form to a third party" until the Russian Federation receives "the full amount of compensation and equipment" installed on board the ships ordered by Moscow.

And this is the most delicious thing in this agreement. Here, I think, they will twist the frogs heartily!

[Pastor]

We will not be a loser if we are paid for this equipment. At the same time, the question arose: what about secrecy? Or we put ourselves such equipment on "promising" vessels, which is not a pity to sell. if only they took? Those. nothing secret or new. what needs to be removed and returned to the homeland really not ?!

[VP]

It was assembled by the French for over a year, what kind of secrecy are you talking about?

[veksha50]

Quote: Pastor

At the same time, the question arose: what about secrecy?

Hmm ... This equipment has been standing unattended for at least half a year, and you are talking about secrecy ...

[Corsair0304]

A priori, no one will mount secret equipment on a ship standing at the pier in a foreign country. For this, they can get hit on the head. Most likely the final assembly was planned in the home port.

[Izotovp]

It was necessary to transfer them to Cuba on credit !! Here the Americans would be delighted !!! ))) True, the economy of Cuba would not. Absolutely.

[rotmistr60]

Russian equipment will not be dismantled if helicopter carriers are bought by Egypt or India

Obviously, these questions have already been discussed at bilateral meetings. Therefore, Russia is not against it. And as mentioned above, orders for helicopters will come after that.

[roskot]

If you collect those fifteen Lyams from Serdyukov, then the Mistrals will pay off many times over.

[ShaMoRa]

You know - you yourself understand - foreigners will not understand the friendliness of our native Russia !! The fact that they forgave them a penalty, etc. We always forgive everyone, and they consider it our weakness! And, most likely, they already understand everything. When will we stop borrowing everyone? It is necessary to take on OUR PEOPLE !!!

[veksha50]

Quote: ShaMoRa

When will we stop borrowing everyone? OUR PEOPLE must be taken!!!

Hmm ... It is not the people who borrow and forgive, in general ... The people do not have such money that could be easily forgiven like that ... unfortunately ...

[bmv04636]

As I understand it, the K-52K will nevertheless find its helicopter carrier.

[msm]

How tired of talking on the Mistrals ... Blow up tries!

[morpogr]

This is marketing, a competent divorce of a monsieur type and give us money and sell to those whom we tell them so that they order additional equipment, equipment and service from us. And after all, we have the documentation for them and we learned how to build them and the French, with their sanctions, lowered themselves. Cool divorce.

[veksha50]

"Russian equipment on the Mistrals may remain if the ships are sold to India or Egypt"...

Well, finally Russia in plain text indicated Storage, where and to whom ...

I do not think that after all the twists and turns with these ships, the guardians will receive the fat that was thought at the beginning ...

But Russia, under the conditions set out, will receive ... And moreover - a long-term gain - and the supply of helicopters, and equipment maintenance, etc., and so on ...

Laugh, clown ... ugh ... cry, Hollande ... your "scam of the century" has brought nothing but harm to the same image of the Preservation ...

PS And let India or Egypt play a "bad - good" buyer and bring down the price of Mistral as much as possible ...

[Tyzyaga]

Getting paid for the equipment you already have is better than taking it off and taking it back to the country.

But take it and get the money! I do not believe that Europe will not give these pennies))) Most likely they are politically fucked for now ...

[pofigisst74]

The helicopter carriers are designed to support land operations from the sea. So are the aircraft carriers. With whom Egypt or India are going to fight? Why do they need these troughs? If only for show-off!

[strannik1985]

Egypt, I don't know, but India, quite. The regional superpower is actively developing, there are funds, there are conflicts with neighbors, primarily with Pakistan. The ability to deliver one or two battalions reinforced with heavy weapons and air support greatly enhances the capabilities of the Navy.

[atamankko]

The French are not at all sorry, with my head
it is necessary to think, and not to live at the behest of the United States.

[strannik1985]

Quote: Finches

I still, apparently from a poverty of mind, did not understand - why the heck did we need "Mistrals" ??

Maybe because we didn’t build such ships at all, and the BDK was still Soviet-built as a result of intensive operation as part of the Syrian Express, sooner or later will fall down?
What do we have to replace? 1 BDK pr.11711 in completion, one laid down, 4 more in the plans and ... that's it?
What prevents you from investing money received from compensation in the development of the Navy?
Serdyukov, of course, is a controversial figure, but to assert that the Minister of Defense could single-handedly make a decision (he took some noticeable part in this) is somewhat naive, isn't it?

[tomket]

Quote: strannik1985

What do we have to replace?

"Ivan Gren" will deliver everything and win everyone!

[Finches]

But what difference does it make to which circle of people this decision was made! The main thing is that it was made - as a result, we do not have our own large landing ships or Mistrals - this is what we have today! And we invest these funds in construction at our shipyards , our specialists, it is quite possible that at least one modern large landing craft by today we would have already put into operation, and the rest would be completed!

[strannik1985]

Could anyone have predicted the current foreign policy situation at the time of signing the contract?
Actually, they put in-bookmark BDK pr.11711 "Ivan Gren" on December 23, 2004, they are going to enter the fleet in 2015. The series of 6 ships was reduced to 2 due to the development of a new landing ship, which is going to be laid in 2016.
Of course, our military-industrial complex would have coped with this task on its own, but in what time frame and with what costs? Is it not easier (and no matter how cheaper) to take a ready-made, serial DVKD (I remind you, ships of this class were not built in the USSR / RF) and build your own on its basis? This has been partially done (the Nevskoye Design Bureau, after reviewing the project, announced that the construction of an analogue at a domestic shipyard would take 7 years); if the contract was implemented, there would have been more operating experience.

[Finches]

Thank you for the dialogue, but in any case, I believe that all products for state defense should be created exclusively within the Russian Federation!

[Coconut]

Quote: vladmetro

In any case, Russia will not lose. It’s better to get money for existing equipment than to take it off and take it back to the country.

do we even need it? equipment like under the mistral was done

[pofigisst74]

Quote: strannik1985

Egypt, I don't know, but India, quite. The regional superpower is actively developing, there are funds, there are conflicts with neighbors, primarily with Pakistan. The ability to deliver one or two battalions reinforced with heavy weapons and air support greatly enhances the capabilities of the Navy.

Well I do not know! These are nuclear powers, it is unlikely that there will be something serious. If, of course, they are friends with the head!

[strannik1985]

The USSR (RF) and the USA were / are nuclear powers too, but the development of conventional Armed Forces does not negate this. Not all issues can be solved with the help of a nuclear baton, for example, a territorial dispute over some territories, promotion / protection of one's interests in third countries. "Superfluous" tools do not exist, if you have finances, of course.

[KRIG55]

The French have nothing to do with it, they would gladly drink vodka when the ships were handed over, but the exceptional ones do not order. There are no independent states in Europe today.

[Zaurbek]

Here with these ships muddied .... Such a hemorrhoid deal for a long time the French did not have. And we were lucky that the money was taken. The West likes to freeze or pocket refunds under the guise of sanctions.

[strannik1985]

Quote: Finches

I’m all of this to the fact that if we really needed such BDKs, then we knew how to build them and, I think, we can!

If?
BDK Saratov celebrates its 50th anniversary in a year.
BDK Orsk in December will be 47 years old.
BDK Filchenko in December 40 years.
BDK Kondopoga will be 40 years old next year.
BDK Olenegorsk miner-similar.
And this is with intensive use.
Moreover, this is exactly the BDK, and not the UDC / DVKD.
They know how (in part, after familiarizing themselves with the Mistral DVD and the construction of the aft part of the ship) now, in February last year, the Nevsky PKB announced 7-8 years and 20 billion (but then the rate was around 30 rubles) for the design / construction of the head ...
Against this background, the order in China, pr.071, readily in 1,5-2 years does not look unusual.

[mamont5]

Quote: vladmetro

In any case, Russia will not lose. It’s better to get money for existing equipment than to take it off and take it back to the country.

Yes, and our helicopters will order - again, the benefit.