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Ex-director of the CIA: it is time to arm the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Javelins"

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Former CIA director David Petrius said that it was time for the West to start supplying defensive Ukraine weapons, including the Javelin missile systems, reports RIA News with reference to the channel "112 Ukraine".


Ex-director of the CIA: it is time to arm the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Javelins"


“The time has come for the West to consider the possibility of providing Ukraine with weapons for protection, the American Jaavelins, short- and medium-range anti-tank missile systems”, - said Petraeus in Kiev at the meeting of YES (Yalta European Strategy).

“David Petraeus does not yet occupy official positions and does not represent the opinion of the United States. At the same time, the representative of the State Department, Victoria Nuland, who also took part in the discussion, avoided a direct answer to the question about the possible provision of weapons to Ukraine, ”the channel said.
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  1. valday
    valday 14 September 2015 09: 01 New
    +21
    As usual, America does not need peace; they would rekindle the war in the Donbass in order to earn more.
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 14 September 2015 09: 03 New
      +18
      The European Union cannot cope with the influx of 500 thousand migrants. I wonder where they will get 40 million Ukrainians?
      1. Stalker.1977
        Stalker.1977 14 September 2015 09: 20 New
        +6
        Maybe this is a new Hans Christian slip of the tongue .. or the journalists misheard, I think it was said to equip the Armed Forces of Ukraine with genies and Aladdin to send instructors ...
        1. Truth
          Truth 14 September 2015 12: 21 New
          0
          ... with reference to the channel "112 Ukraine"

          A whistle of pure water, no one will give them expensive "toys", they pissed and broke everything that they had before, and everything that they had once been given ...
          Country 404 ... so that all of them would be bitten by mantels!
      2. Andrea
        Andrea 14 September 2015 09: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: herruvim
        The European Union cannot cope with the influx of 500 thousand migrants. I wonder where they will get 40 million Ukrainians?
        And they won’t get anywhere ... let's not forget about double, triple, quadruple standards.
        There is no war in Ukraine ... therefore, goodbye, but the Americans have no desire.
        It seems the Minsk agreements were signed ... and who said that the "Javelin" is a defensive weapon? It can very well be used in an offensive-hit at firing points, bunkers, pillboxes, houses, etc.
    2. marlin1203
      marlin1203 14 September 2015 09: 27 New
      +3
      Is this one a journalist lover for "adultery" and fired? laughing The authority is straightforward no questions. Only a "brake" in the east of Ukraine, it seems like a discharge and for 2 weeks they no longer shoot. It is absolutely necessary to drive the ATGM there now, which Petya has been begging for a year.
    3. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad 14 September 2015 09: 27 New
      +5
      I will be banal brains need to arm.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 14 September 2015 09: 59 New
        +1
        The European Union cannot cope with the influx of 500 thousand migrants. I wonder where they will get 40 million Ukrainians? -Yes nowhere. REALLY you do not see -Europeans violet what is happening in Libya, Syria, as well as parallel to what will happen to the Ukrainian population. If only they did not get to them.
        This situation is like some kind of handicap for the Russian Federation.
    4. vodolaz
      vodolaz 14 September 2015 10: 48 New
      0
      Really, come on. The same National Guard is a bunch of criminals and the Ukrainian authorities do not know what to do with them, and here they also give out more serious weapons.
  2. svetoruss
    svetoruss 14 September 2015 09: 03 New
    +18
    You might think that the Javelins are such a “prodigy” like a Jedi sword and having received their rabble called by misunderstanding of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will immediately become invincible, haha ​​three times ...
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 14 September 2015 09: 28 New
      +2
      One of the best ATGMs in the world today
      1. SSR
        SSR 14 September 2015 09: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: marlin1203
        One of the best ATGMs in the world today

        Maybe one of the most expensive? Personally, it seems to me that if you choose the price / quality ratio, the Cornet is better.
        1. anokem
          anokem 14 September 2015 09: 50 New
          +1
          Cornet does not work on a system of "shot-forgot." And does not hit the target from above
          1. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 14 September 2015 10: 22 New
            +2
            ... Cornet doesn’t work on a "shot-forgot" system. And does not hit the target from above ...

            ... And it is necessary ???? .... In my opinion, the system by which it is made is akin to the operation to remove the tonsils through the w..pu .... The dead end path .... There are simpler and more efficient systems ... lol
          2. Gouging
            Gouging 14 September 2015 11: 17 New
            +4
            But the RPG-7V works on a "shot-and-forget" system. wink An old, but killer Soviet grenade launcher gathered such an abundant "harvest" that no "Javelins" could dream of paired with the "Cornets". And collect it.
            1. Dimka off
              Dimka off 14 September 2015 12: 10 New
              0
              Quote: Gouging
              But the RPG-7V works on a “shot-and-forget” system

              it’s very dangerous and difficult to get to the tank at a distance of an RPG shot. Unless an ambush or street fight.
              1. weis-a
                weis-a 14 September 2015 12: 24 New
                +1
                and now it’s precisely these fights that will go on, so the old RPG will still prove itself.
          3. SSR
            SSR 14 September 2015 23: 06 New
            0
            Quote: anokem
            Cornet does not work on a system of "shot-forgot." And does not hit the target from above

            Yes, I, too, can not hit from above and from behind and sometimes forget about the “shot” while hitting the target .... ... but the conversation is not about that .. Well, what’s up? Meehan attached a tablet
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Javelins to Ukraine, this is the same thing that the militias donate for free! That's who is interested in a comparison ...

            Others about the cost attached ...
            Quote: Kil 31
            They would have set up a long time ago. Just because a javelin shot costs $ 100000 doesn't mean anything to them. They just have paranoia about secrecy. Naturally, the part will go to the militia, and then it will go to us. But for some reason, it seems to me that they have long been lying in some sort of design bureau.

            Quote: Kil 31
            They would have set up a long time ago. Just because a javelin shot costs $ 100000 doesn't mean anything to them. They just have paranoia about secrecy. Naturally, the part will go to the militia, and then it will go to us. But for some reason, it seems to me that they have long been lying in some sort of design bureau.

            This I am not on my own)) and if you can, deny it))) and Kornetovskie 1300mm about those if essentially.)))
      2. anokem
        anokem 14 September 2015 09: 51 New
        0
        Our Gil has repeatedly won against Javelin at tenders, the last time in India
      3. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 14 September 2015 09: 53 New
        0
        marlin1203
        One of the best ATGMs in the world today


        .... and that he is against a tornado and an iskander?
        1. Dimka off
          Dimka off 14 September 2015 10: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: EGOrkka
          .... and that he is against a tornado and an iskander?

          You are comparing the incomparable
          1. EGOrkka
            EGOrkka 14 September 2015 10: 40 New
            0
            .... and the war is different !!! they are waiting for you with the "Javilins", and you are on the "Iskander" ...... who said that there will be a Peo order?
        2. Das Boot
          Das Boot 14 September 2015 10: 10 New
          0
          Quote: EGOrkka
          .... and that he is against a tornado and an iskander?

          deep ... Clarify - against portable anti-tank
          Quote: EGOrkka
          tornado and iskander
          1. EGOrkka
            EGOrkka 14 September 2015 11: 26 New
            0
            .... every general is preparing ....... for the last war. smile
      4. kotvov
        kotvov 14 September 2015 10: 02 New
        +4
        One of the best ATGMs in the world today,
        perhaps, but don’t tell me how many armored vehicles he destroyed in combat, compared to at least the RPG-29?
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 14 September 2015 10: 33 New
          +1
          .... One of the best ATGMs in the world today, ,,
          perhaps, but don’t tell me how many armored vehicles he destroyed in combat, compared to at least RPG-29? ...

          .... The question is complex and probably highly classified ... wink .... It came across that during the "Desert Storm" about 1000 pieces were used up .... True, the percentage of hits is not advertised .... I think that it’s not an ice, judging by the number and considering that the main thing that Saddam burned was the aircraft .... lol
      5. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 14 September 2015 10: 19 New
        +1
        ...... One of the best ATGMs in the world today ....

        .... The key is ONE OF ..... But not the best .... A serious thing, but not a child prodigy, as presented .... There is a much cheaper and more effective solution to the problem that it solves ... lol
      6. fif21
        fif21 14 September 2015 14: 36 New
        0
        Quote: marlin1203
        One of the best ATGMs in the world today
        We also have pretty good neutron bombs! Can put a dozen militias wassat Even the stalls will remain whole and there will be no fools!
    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 14 September 2015 09: 28 New
      0
      Quote: svetoruss
      You might think that the Javelins are such a “wunderwafer”

      So that’s exactly what they think. Already gored these Kamlanii. A typical cargo cult at the Skakles: there is GOD PUTIN and GOD Javelin, they pray for them, contrasting each other.
  3. 17085
    17085 14 September 2015 09: 06 New
    +9
    short and medium range anti-tank missile systems, ”Petraeus said in Kiev
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 14 September 2015 09: 31 New
      +3
      Skakly think it will be like this:
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 14 September 2015 09: 37 New
        +12
        Quote: inkass_98
        Skakly think it will be like this:

        HZ .. and suddenly - like this:
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 14 September 2015 10: 35 New
          +1
          ..... HZ .. and suddenly - like this: ...

          .... belay .... wassat ...... laughing laughing laughing !!!!!! .....
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 14 September 2015 09: 38 New
        +14
        And it will most likely be like this:
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 14 September 2015 09: 44 New
          0
          Quote: inkass_98
          And it will most likely be like this:

          nda-ah ... I read the arrow chYurka from right to left?
          and here is an example of a cool-headed operator:
      3. Dimka off
        Dimka off 14 September 2015 10: 10 New
        +1
        probably everyone already knows that this is a purely staged explosion of a tank full of explosives)
      4. corporal
        corporal 14 September 2015 10: 34 New
        0
        Quote: inkass_98
        Skakly think it will be like this:

        Actually, this is TOW.
    2. Das Boot
      Das Boot 14 September 2015 09: 54 New
      0
      17085

      so ....
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 14 September 2015 10: 01 New
        0
        It will be so and that way and differently too.)))
  4. morpogr
    morpogr 14 September 2015 09: 06 New
    +8
    We are waiting for the retirement to openly declare from our side that if the United States supplies arms and equipment to Ukraine, Russia reserves the right to supply armed assistance to the DPR and LPR armies.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 14 September 2015 09: 32 New
      0
      Quote: morpogr
      We are waiting for the retirement to openly declare from our side



      Yeah ... Serdyukov declares that we will throw APU stools ...

      PS But in general, the ignorance of the basic laws of physics by Amer and European politicians is surprising ... The strength of our opposition will be at least equal to the strength of their action - this in this case will have just such an interpretation ...
    2. Dimka off
      Dimka off 14 September 2015 10: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: morpogr
      if the United States will supply arms and equipment to Ukraine, Russia reserves the right to supply armed assistance to the army of the DNI and LC.

      If I am not mistaken, then something similar already happened. Which of the deputies said that if this happens then Putin will easily be given permission again to use troops outside of Russia.
  5. reut.sib
    reut.sib 14 September 2015 09: 07 New
    +4
    The time will come for David and his ilk to insert these same javelins into ....! Though rude but fair. soldier
  6. Loner_53
    Loner_53 14 September 2015 09: 07 New
    +2
    As the zombies were sickened up, let them not calm down until their puppets are in Cueva, no matter how Russia tries to solve the world, phishington will use Cueva's hands to kindle a fire on a ruin. Matrasia will not calm down until it gets angry
  7. Tusv
    Tusv 14 September 2015 09: 08 New
    +6
    Quote: svetoruss
    You might think that the Javelins are such a “prodigy” like a Jedi sword and having received their rabble called by misunderstanding of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will immediately become invincible, haha ​​three times ...

    Do not forget that the Jewels, in addition to fighting tanks, are also imprisoned against fortifications.
    Of course, this is not a panacea, for one Jeweline there is immediately a pair of three Cornets
  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 September 2015 09: 10 New
    +5
    Javelins to Ukraine, this is the same thing that the militias donate for free! That's who is interested in a comparison ...
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 14 September 2015 09: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      That's who is interested in the comparison ...



      Hmm ... And what is there to think? I wrote there above - the force of action is equal to the strength of the reaction ..

      Our technique in this case will be an unpleasant response to the supply of Javelins ...

      Our characteristics will be better ...
  9. kil 31
    kil 31 14 September 2015 09: 13 New
    +4
    They would have set up a long time ago. Just because a javelin shot costs $ 100000 doesn't mean anything to them. They just have paranoia about secrecy. Naturally, the part will go to the militia, and then it will go to us. But for some reason, it seems to me that they have long been lying in some sort of design bureau.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 14 September 2015 09: 26 New
      +1
      So last year there was infa that captured a truck with "javelins."
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 14 September 2015 10: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Black Colonel
        So last year there was infa that captured a truck with "javelins."

        Yeah, it was a fake last August. Excitedly. They even thought that "Kharkov partisans tested the captured javelins." True, the story was not supported by either photos or documents and, in view of its obvious iDiotism, was quickly forgotten.
    2. Dimka off
      Dimka off 14 September 2015 10: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Kil 31
      But for some reason, it seems to me that they have long been lying in some sort of design bureau.

      Does it make sense to take them to study? It seems to me that pushing a homing head into a PT missile and making it easy to attack the target is easy. Here the question is in price. The cost of Dzhevvelin or Spike is very high - Cornet will be much cheaper. Although Dzhevvelin's undoubted advantage - it shot and forgot.
      1. anokem
        anokem 14 September 2015 10: 35 New
        -3
        And RPG-7 is much cheaper than cornet. A bottle of Molotov cocktail is much cheaper than RPG-7. Conclusion: the best weapon is a bottle with a combustible mixture
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 14 September 2015 11: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: anokem
          A bottle of Molotov cocktail is much cheaper than RPG-7. Conclusion: the best weapon is a bottle with a combustible mixture

          laughing
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 14 September 2015 09: 13 New
    +11
    Let them give it! Ukraine has nothing to trade! request
  11. Amurets
    Amurets 14 September 2015 09: 13 New
    +3
    Well put? Well, then? And then Ukrainian strongholds will burn even better. That's interesting so many fighters of the Armed Forces of the DPR and LPR will be asked for one Javelin.
  12. Beaver
    Beaver 14 September 2015 09: 13 New
    +8
    Victoria Nuland ... avoided a direct answer to the question about the possible provision of weapons to Ukraine


    Well, she couldn’t answer so bluntly: “We didn’t supply any woodpecker with this, no good. We sold it.”
  13. asar
    asar 14 September 2015 09: 19 New
    +4
    David Petrius said that it’s time for the West to begin delivering defensive weapons to Ukraine

    David! Who are you going to deliver the Jewels to ?!
    Fuck, what type of vsu ?! to goblins, what they can only do is plump on the “blocks”, “maneuver” around the villages in search of those younger, snooping around in the pockets of the locals, in search of “for the booze” ...!
    Are you going to give "Javelins" to this rabble ?!
    Oh well! Turned dill into Somalia, your mother!
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    2. Beaver
      Beaver 14 September 2015 10: 11 New
      0
      Quote: asar
      Turned dill into Somalia, your mother!


      In Gabon, the Odessa governor said so.
      Somalis should not be offended by such comparisons.
  14. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 14 September 2015 09: 21 New
    +3
    But what about the "monkey with a grenade"? laughing

    And hasn’t it been said more than once - you will supply; shall we put down too?

    We also have this stuff.

    Then they will be surprised - where in the DPR "Lzhavelyn" come from.

    And how did these spears end up in Africa, the Middle East, ISIS and (further add).
    Rations are sold, and wunderwaffles will be sold.
  15. sl22277
    sl22277 14 September 2015 09: 21 New
    +2
    It is interesting it from whom dill gathered to defend themselves !? So far they are only attacking, but they are killing their own people!
  16. python82
    python82 14 September 2015 09: 23 New
    +1
    Shopkeeper and poser this is David. And pathos: “The time has come!” Or maybe the translator brightened up even more motivator.
  17. GeorgeSev85
    GeorgeSev85 14 September 2015 09: 27 New
    +1
    Ex-director of the CIA: it is time to arm the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Javelins"

    Great news! Mr. Petrius, rather arm! They will come in handy for the militias !!!
  18. Stinger
    Stinger 14 September 2015 09: 27 New
    +1
    The time has come to clear the brains of the Javelins to this ex-leader.
  19. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 September 2015 09: 29 New
    +4
    "Javelins" APU will not help. No way and nothing. And to shoot a rocket at a couple of hundred thousand green dill normal will not. He will sell it to the militias for five thousand greens, and he will say that he set fire to two tanks. These ATGMs, it’s just such a “fix idea”, a psychologically important “beacon”, a label that will announce to the whole world - we have not been abandoned, all the geyropa and mattress are behind us, forward, svidomye ...
  20. Pastor
    Pastor 14 September 2015 09: 30 New
    +2
    In case of violation of the rules for the supply of weapons (delivery to territories covered by the civil war), take measures to cease the existence of a country such as Ukraine in its present form, establishing "demilitarized zones".
  21. kerosene
    kerosene 14 September 2015 09: 31 New
    +1
    and the answer is not weak?
  22. roskot
    roskot 14 September 2015 09: 42 New
    0
    And Abrams are needed for testing. Send gentlemen, send. Replenish the arsenal of the DNI and LC.
  23. private person
    private person 14 September 2015 09: 46 New
    0
    Enough of the pussy already measured, by golly like children.
  24. lukke
    lukke 14 September 2015 09: 59 New
    +2
    What normal thoughts can be heard from
    Petraeus gave his mistress Paul Broadwell access to his CIA email and other secret information. Documents evidencing his guilt were sent to a federal court in Charlotte, North Carolina. Petraeus agreed to plead guilty to unauthorized seizure and storage of classified materials. Indicate that he mistreated classified information, not only heading the CIA but earlier, while serving in the army

    I read his biography and did not understand - who is he ?! philosophers, military or intelligence officer? in my opinion it’s just a balabol, because it’s not seriously engaged in anything ...
  25. Lelek
    Lelek 14 September 2015 10: 56 New
    0
    The time has come for the West to consider the possibility of providing Ukraine with weapons for protection, American Javelins, short and medium-range anti-tank missile systems, ”Petraeus said in Kiev.

    The main thing is to throw in the idea, and then crawl and implement the baseline under the edge of Russia.
    If someday (but this is unlikely) I will write, then my first opus will be "S.V.O.L.O.Ch.I." angry
  26. zombiunian
    zombiunian 14 September 2015 11: 16 New
    0
    this bugger with Lavrov’s syndrome is trying to hiss louder than childhood flatulence
  27. zombiunian
    zombiunian 14 September 2015 11: 18 New
    0
    wrote the word g e th ... but the cheto was preserved not so)))
  28. Technologist
    Technologist 14 September 2015 11: 35 New
    0
    Damn, what are these "javelins" promoting so much ??? Are they a panacea for everything, including idiocy ??? I don’t argue, maybe the weapon is not bad, but who will use it, you look at the funny faces, it feels like patients are crazy and drug dispensaries))) In general, our engineers must have been waiting for them.
  29. TOR2
    TOR2 14 September 2015 12: 21 New
    +2
    Sooner or later, the "javelins" will appear in ruin. In one of our museums there is a "Stinger", so the exposition can be replenished.
    Laughter, laughter, but to protect our guys as needed. It is clear that no one will give the equipment standing on "Armata" in LDNR. That is the reality. Then the question arises, what kind of counteraction system will the militias be able to assemble on their knees using improvised means. I once read that a storage base for old aviation equipment remained on the territory of LDNR. Probably many people remember on MI-24 there was such an interesting thing, SOEP-V1A station of optoelectronic interference, (Lipa). This tricky thing created around the helicopter a pulsed stream of continuously moving infrared rays, causing the rocket tracking system to swing. Unfortunately, she had a "dead zone" and she could not protect the board 100%. There will be no dead zone on the tank.
    Let's analyze one more moment. The net is full of videos with "Javelins" attacking the tank from above. Look at the picture. The rocket is marked by an arrow. If control was carried out only through the IR channel, the rocket would hit the engine. With a high degree of probability for an accurate hit in the tower, the rocket reads the electromagnetic field of the tank.
    1. TOR2
      TOR2 14 September 2015 12: 30 New
      +1
      What the electromagnetic field of the tank looks like is shown in the figure. If additional aiming is carried out in this way, then using the emitters we distort the field of the tank. For example, draw a "tower" behind the tank or from the side. If the pre-targeting is carried out in another way (an autopsy should show) then just stop the missile from scanning the tank. As I wrote in similar topics, is there enough power onboard network for these devices.
  30. KRIG55
    KRIG55 14 September 2015 15: 11 New
    +1
    It’s time, it’s time. For the stinger obtained by blood and then they promised the star of the Hero of the Soviet Union, and Javelin fat lovers themselves will sell for bucks.
  31. arrows
    arrows 14 September 2015 19: 50 New
    0
    It’s time for Mr. to be checked by a psychiatrist, senility is evident
  32. Weyland
    Weyland 15 September 2015 01: 10 New
    +1
    I remembered the joke:
    A "brother" came to hunt a bear. Jeep - a hummer, camouflage, a super sophisticated machine with a night vision optical sight ...
    He enters the forest, a man in bast shoes comes out to meet him, a typical village peasant in earflaps and quilted jackets.
    Man:
    “Oh dear man, where are you going?”
    "Brother":
    - To the bear!
    Man:
    - Yes, this is an ungrateful occupation ... Bear - OWNER! My grandfather walked with a horn, father walked with a berdanka ...
    "Brother":
    - Yes, you look! Automatic - at least an elephant wali ... Optics, bullets with a solid core ...
    And goes into the forest.
    Man:
    - Yes, (pulled by shag) now it’s not worth going to the forest at all ... The bear now has not only a stag with a berdanka, but there will still be a machine gun with an optical sight ...

    And now the bear will also have "Javelins" ...