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Beloved Putin for or against the hated oligarchs?

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Putin’s main reform achievement is that he is equidistant from the Russian oligarchs. Already from the wording itself it follows that the oligarchs are something bad, like a disease, and intimacy with them, unlike intimacy with the people, is reprehensible.

Beloved Putin for or against the hated oligarchs?


Question: why did he retire from this ungracious horde, but not remove it from the face of his native land?

Is this some kind of foul-smelling, but necessary, like a toilet in an apartment, pillars of our industry that help us live, albeit at an expensive price? No, it's parasites, bloodsuckers, live disturbing. For all the time of their domination, our production only fell under the applause of eternal whithers, such as for example:

“Alisher Usmanov is celebrating his 62 birthday today. One of the most progressive businessmen of Russia, on whose money the largest projects of the Runet exist and develop: Mail.ru, VKontakte, Odnoklassniki ...

I like this person, who at first turned himself into a big businessman, and then Russian social networks into serious platforms for doing business, developing educational and entertainment projects. If all the oligarchs had invested in Runet as Usmanov, we would have caught up with the US in terms of technology in 5 years, and their Silicon Valley would have moved somewhere in Sochi ... ”


This noble Uzbek generously donates to our sport, culture ... But where does it come from? From the moon? From Mars? No, he takes everything from the so-called business - that is, from pumping out our blood from our own pockets. For example, from the Old Oskol Metallurgical Combine, which used to feed the entire Old Oskol and Belgorod Oblast, their education, science, industrial and social development. And now he feeds one mouth, hardly even knowing what is being produced there - just as the locals do not know how Usmanov used to get drunk by an industrial giant built by the works of the entire former country.

He squeezed such pieces, be healthy - and know he eats them. He got himself the world's largest private jet A340 on 375 seats, named after his father Burkhan; Dilbara superyacht, named after his mother; palaces, dimples ... And all his charity, pleasant to the natives - just a couple percent of the heat: here, as they say, give and not sin! And our son rejoices: what a good basmach, he took away a hundred rubles, he gave two. Breadwinner! Benefactor! But there are no Silicon valleys with such basmachis that they do not plow themselves, do not sow and do not build, but only bomb someone else’s, we don’t see them as our ears.

It would not have been so terrible if they had invested their profits in the construction of their industrial facilities — as the USSR did, as capitalists all over the world are doing now. But our oligarchs act as vacuum cleaners, exclusively: they suck up profits - and drive them offshore. Therefore, we have nothing close to the Soviet or Western industrial boom.

Back in 2004, the head of the Accounts Chamber Stepashin in his book “Analysis of privatization processes ...” proved like two times two that our privatization was predatory and disastrous for the economy. And the conclusion: yes, politically this privatization cannot be canceled, but under criminal law, everything that the oligarchs have stolen from the country can be returned to the rightful owner. However, Putin did not give this book a turn - but only equidistant from robbers, who saw in that the permission of further robberies in the form of raiding and other "takeovers."

From here and all production deadlock. Under all our big talk about transplanting from a raw needle to the “real sector” and import substitution, that sector is only shrinking. And no sanctions have anything to do with it: the farmers of France and the auto-builders of Germany are fighting to impose such sanctions, giving open space to the national manufacturer. And only our great and plentiful land cries bitterly, because it is forced to live on its own!

And the thing is that because of these parasites-oligarchs, any of our production new buildings are knowingly doomed. For whatever they build, these ghouls will be taken away with their thieving pear, which allows them to suck off any Old Oskol combine. We have not been building such plants for 25 years - and, in principle, cannot be built with these “equidistant” plants, which sow one more, perhaps the most terrible sin. They release a few more percent of their fat to bribe officials and security officials, that is, to fundamentally decompose them - and into politics that serves to decompose the natives. All films about the same identity of Stalin and Hitler and Soviet worthlessness, knocking out historical the soil from beneath us is being withdrawn by the money of the oligarchs. Well, or on the treasury, which are allocated by officials of the Ministry of Culture, bribed by the same oligarchs ...

But why, nevertheless, Putin does not fight with this horde, digging a hole for us - and does not even promise to fight at least once? At one time he pushed Khodorkovsky with Berezovsky - but instead he put forward other Abramovich, Usmanov, Vekselberg, putting a fat cross on our future.

Recently, Glazyev’s plan for economic reform loomed — partial nationalization, investment in the same “real sector”, etc. But what’s the use of such plans - without eliminating those who were not affected by Stepashin’s fundamental work? Putin, it seems, is not going to eliminate them in his own age - it means that there is no hope of living through force, and not at the last gasp for the majority of the current people.

Is he afraid of these basmachs? But how much can they tremble? Well, I already nladlivalsya amused, profited - and it's time to leave for yourself some kind of “demobilian chord”, which the whole country is waiting for slow breathing. But he still hesitates with his “cunning plan”, long overdue as an existential choice: either - or. Or the whole country, which now worships him - or those oligarchs, about his real relationship with whom we do not know anything.

And here is a crazy thought: maybe he is just fine with them - and nothing better would be desirable? Usmanov finances the social network that glorifies him, and he gives the country he promises to be torn apart by this Usmanov ...

And all this frantically reminds me of the fable of Grandfather Krylov “Bream”, with which I will end this sad text:

In the garden by the master in the pond,
In the beautiful spring water
Bream were found.
They frolicked around the coast,
And the golden days seemed to them to roll.
Suddenly
To them the master ordered to let loose about fifty pikes.
“Have mercy! - says it, then hearing, friend, -
Have mercy on what you're up to?
What to expect from pike good:
After all, there will be no bream here.
Or greed you do not know the pike? "-
"Do not waste your speeches, -
Boyar answered with a smile, I know everything;
Yes, only to know, I wish
What makes you think that I am a hunter to Bream? ”
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  1. evil partisan
    evil partisan 14 September 2015 05: 41
    -45
    After all, there will be no bream here.

    Bream with a feather ?? belay Originally ... Krylov wrote this fable on an empty stomach along the way ...
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 14 September 2015 06: 08
      +13
      Yes, there was another word in the original.
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 14 September 2015 06: 26
      +71
      The system needs to be changed. Well, we don’t have any capitalism besides extortionate hi
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 14 September 2015 08: 05
        +41
        Quote: siberalt
        The system needs to be changed. Well, we don’t have any capitalism besides extortionate



        I don’t know for or against Putin’s oligarchs, but it’s certain that there are no decent oligarchs, no matter what songs rulers, officials, deputies sang ...
        The oligarchs acquired property dishonestly and all the stories about the returned Faberge eggs to the country are all garbage worthless.
        Пока не вернут стране промышленность, заводы никакого сдвига в сторону улучшения экономики не будет.
        And the fact that the grabbers will once again seize more property in the next final "privatization" is, again, for someone's pocket, but not for the people, do not even hope ...
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 14 September 2015 12: 35
          +5
          Quote: sherp2015
          Until the industry is returned to the country, the plants will not move in the direction of improving the economy.


          "Oligarchy (ancient Greek ὀλῐγ-αρχία - the power of the few; from Old Greek ὀλίγος - small, small + ἀρχή - beginning, power) is a political regime in which power is concentrated in the hands of a relatively small group of citizens (for example, representatives of large monopolized capital) and rather serves their personal and group interests, rather than the interests of all citizens.In other words, power and capital are concentrated in the same hands.Oligarchs - members of the oligarchy, can either be members of the government themselves, or have a decisive influence on its formation and making decisions in their personal and group interests. "....

          Here, in Russia, the oligarchy after the "equidistance" took on its own Russian form ...

          The question is not to destroy them - in the West, every billionaire oligarch has his skeletons in the closet, and then they, billions, are earned with blisters ...

          The problem is to make these billions work for the good of the country, it, the country, the economy, and not just the rich man’s own pocket ...

          And so ... the article calls, calls and calls not so much for the overthrow of the oligarchs as for the overthrow of Putin ...

          Well and then what ??? ... Everything will be beautiful and prosperity will come for everyone ??? WHIM.....
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 14 September 2015 14: 31
            +18
            Quote: veksha50
            The problem is to make these billions work for the good of the country, it, the country, the economy, and not just the rich man’s own pocket ...


            I apologize, but the oligarchs and large businessmen-thieves will not voluntarily return finances to the camp, no matter how we tremble ...
            Только принудительно! И взяв каждого за яй за вымя.
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 14 September 2015 15: 34
              +7
              Quote: sherp2015
              Only forced! And taking everyone by ud for udder.



              I just want to say about what to take as an udder - to select - to share - all this has already passed Russia ...

              And believe me, at first, in the campaign to conquer this udder, there will be leaders - "firefighters" and ideological leaders - like the modern Robin Hoods, but then completely different people will share the fruits of the conquests, and they will also put their own people in power so that they serve them ...

              And the people ... and the people will rejoice at first until the euphoria passes, and then with a wonder, looking around, he will say: Wow, damn it, it only got worse ... What were they fighting for ???
              1. liuk gud
                liuk gud 16 September 2015 07: 03
                0
                It seems that the lessons of Ukraine have already forgotten everything. There, too, the Maidan against the oligarchs of the type was
          2. Robinzon57
            Robinzon57 15 September 2015 01: 18
            +1
            That's right, it is NECESSARY not to overthrow Putin, but to push him to "PRIVATIZE OLIGARCHS" - to ask him these questions more often - at all levels, at every opportunity. Let it not yet be socialism, but at least make them work for country.
        2. Russiamoy
          Russiamoy 14 September 2015 18: 50
          +2
          I apologize, but no eggs f. and did not return. I bought them a bill and sometimes it shows people to delight their eyes.
      2. zzz
        zzz 14 September 2015 08: 41
        +11
        Quote: siberalt
        The system needs to be changed. Well, we don’t have any capitalism besides extortionate hi


        While the liberals are in power, nothing will change The key rate of the Central Bank. Insider information leak? Comment by E.A. Fedorova 11.09.15/XNUMX/XNUMX

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkpBhI_OQDc
        1. zzz
          zzz 14 September 2015 08: 44
          +2
          Even the video is not inserted, only me?
          1. bastard
            bastard 14 September 2015 13: 39
            +3
            Quote: zzz
            Even the video is not inserted, only me?

            Try this:
            Select the link with the left mouse button, hover the cursor over the selected one, right-click, a window appears, click on "follow the link.
            Enjoy! hi
          2. Babr
            Babr 14 September 2015 14: 07
            +8
            Quote: zzz
            Even the video is not inserted, only me?

            Recipe from Romanov.
            Почистить куки.В яндексе.Если не поможет,обратиться к Романову.Он свяжется с ФСБ и решит этот вопрос. lol
      3. ARS56
        ARS56 14 September 2015 09: 04
        +31
        And there is no other capitalism than predatory.
        The highest stage of capitalism - oligarchism - is the most predatory and anti-people.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 09: 07
          -3
          Quote: ARS56
          And there is no other capitalism than predatory.
          The highest stage of capitalism - oligarchism - is the most predatory and anti-people.

          And in prison now they’re giving pasta ... Oh, what am I talking about? Ahhh, a slab and a sight to the citizens of Rome !!!

        2. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 14 September 2015 09: 07
          +3
          Quote: ARS56
          The highest stage of capitalism is oligarchism

          used to write "Imperialism - the highest stage of development of capitalism ..."
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 14 September 2015 10: 41
            +5
            used to write "Imperialism - the highest stage of development of capitalism ..."


            Well, at that time it was the highest, but today we got to an even higher. By the way, each subsequent one will get worse and worse.
          2. iouris
            iouris 15 September 2015 15: 18
            +1
            Sorry, but "oligarchy" and "imperialism" are completely different things. The steamer can be "big" and "white" at the same time. Before talking about the stages of capitalism, it is worth looking into the academic dictionary.
            Oligarchic capitalism in the Russian Federation indicates not just an extremely low level of capitalist relations, but is a consequence of the colonization of the USSR by the world financial oligarchy. At the same time, due to the fact that the capitalist system is precisely the world system, capitalist relations in the Russian Federation cannot "develop". In this system or matrix, "developing countries" will never catch up with "developed countries", because each segment of the world market has its own niche. The USSR's project was not to "catch up", but to immediately move to a qualitatively higher level. As the conscientious aircraft designer Rudolfo Bartini put it, "we must run across the path."
        3. DanSabaka
          DanSabaka 14 September 2015 09: 27
          0
          "Why? I agree. Take, and divide everything!" (c) P.P. Sharikov ....
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 14 September 2015 10: 19
            +4
            But it’s not possible to divide it into everyone. He who doesn’t work doesn’t eat. Unless, of course, he is a disabled person, a mother of many children, and who received pensions there, as it was in the USSR.
          2. Altona
            Altona 14 September 2015 10: 30
            +11
            Quote: DanSabaka
            "Why? I agree. Take, and divide everything!" (c) P.P. Sharikov ....

            -------------------
            Here the oligarchs took everything and divided it among the "chosen ones" ...
          3. Gardamir
            Gardamir 14 September 2015 11: 25
            +14
            Take, and divide everything! "(C) P.P. Sharikov ....
            So they took and divided among themselves in 1991.
            1. nils
              nils 14 September 2015 14: 54
              +4
              Quote: Gardamir
              So they took and divided among themselves in 1991.


              "COMMON'S HEART", Sharikov:
              - Yes, I do not agree.
              - With whom? Engels or Kautsky?
              “With both,” answered Sharikov.
              - This is wonderful, I swear to God. And what could you offer?
              - What can I offer? .. And they write, they write ... Congress, some Germans ... My head swells. Take everything, and share ...
      4. Altona
        Altona 14 September 2015 10: 28
        +13
        Quote: siberalt
        The system needs to be changed. Well, we don’t have any capitalism besides extortionate

        ------------------------
        The current capitalists, who promoted themselves as "effective owners", were outraged by the communists when, at the dawn of Soviet power, the Bolsheviks "took and divided", and they themselves did exactly the same thing - they squeezed and appropriated ...
        1. andrejwz
          andrejwz 14 September 2015 12: 42
          +6
          Quote: Altona
          The current capitalists, who promoted themselves as "effective owners", were outraged by the communists when, at the dawn of Soviet power, the Bolsheviks "took and divided", and they themselves did exactly the same thing - they squeezed and appropriated ...

          Well, firstly, with rare exceptions, there were all the same "communists" and members of their families, and secondly, the administrative apparatus with benefits and privileges due to the post, as well as compensation where benefits are not directly roll, too, have not gone anywhere. Both the first and the second call themselves "elite". The crushing of capital and management is the oligarchy.
          You can talk to some, and believe others about democracy and capitalism with a "human face", you can talk about a welfare state, but "If something looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then this is probably a duck."
          1. Altona
            Altona 14 September 2015 13: 20
            +5
            Quote: andrejwz
            Well, firstly, with rare exceptions, there were all the same "communists" and members of their families, and secondly, the administrative apparatus with benefits and privileges due to the post, as well as compensation where benefits are not directly roll, too, have not gone anywhere.

            -----------------------
            So no one denies this ... People are "in step with the times" - a communist, a liberal-market leader, United Russia, a patriot ... Changing color in time ..
          2. yuriy55
            yuriy55 15 September 2015 04: 16
            0
            "If something looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."


            It could be a drake ... wink

            On a new round of the spiral of history, perhaps not everyone wanted to plunge headlong into a bloody mess. The mind won, (in contrast to insanity) this so-called fusion took place. And now we are considering the premise of dividing the "Siamese twins" (the state - separately, the oligarchy - separately) inoperable. Hardly...

            About the GDP plan for the oligarchs. It is difficult for a person who has been taken (led) into a circle in one company "to change all the horses in the crossing", there are few real riders. Nor does he expect "human faces" from capital. Most likely, this is a position of waiting, an accumulation of strength. In addition, it should be noted that Russia has strong partners in its allies, but opponents are not flabby old men and old women, but rather well-fed individuals fed from well-groomed hands.
      5. alicante11
        alicante11 14 September 2015 10: 38
        +5
        Well, we don’t have any capitalism besides extortionate


        And not only here, any capitalism is predatory. For the profit 99% of businesswomen will sell their souls.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 14 September 2015 12: 38
          +2
          Quote: alicante11
          For profit 99% of businesswomen will sell their souls.



          Why not 100% ??? Who left one percent - romantics ??? So they do not survive in business ...
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 14 September 2015 13: 26
            0
            Why not 100% ??? Who left one percent - romantics ??? So they do not survive in business ...


            I agree, but are constantly present :).
      6. Cherdak
        Cherdak 14 September 2015 14: 34
        +2
        Quote: *
        smelling bad, but necessary, like a toilet in an apartment,


        ... the liberal has gone so far as to deny Russia itself, that is, he hates and beats his mother. Every unfortunate and unsuccessful Russian fact excites laughter and almost delight in him. He hates folk customs, Russian history, everything. If there is an excuse for him, it can only be because he does not understand what he is doing, and takes his hatred of Russia for the most fruitful liberalism ...

        F. M. Dostoevsky

        Quote: **
        The system needs to be changed. Well, we don’t have any capitalism besides extortionate hi


        And what happens to another, "with a human face"? Like a cheap slogan "Scandinavian socialism"?

        So Ukraine 20 years ago was going to disconnect, capitalize and famously overtake France ...

        Only the "red project" is met, but you can't cook porridge with Zyuganov.

        Quote: ***
        Usmanov finances his social networks


        Should he water himself with mud? Nonsense. This one does something. And his wife (Wiener) pulls the sport.
        Vaughn Prokhorov - he and "moths" really did not manage to register, yo-mobilist is overgrown ...
        Abramovich, as a hereditary reindeer herder, better?
        What about London lads? Only either burn the loot, or speeding ... as Chichvarkin.


        The article is a children's mixture of biliary envy. Do not like the national minorities - prove by facts that this Uzbek thief.
        And here only snot on the keyboard.
        1. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 14 September 2015 16: 46
          +8
          Quote: Cherdak
          And here only snot on the keyboard.

          Tough, but perhaps in essence - right! Put anyone on the "feeding trough", and in a year or two a bizarre metamorphosis of consciousness will take place.
          With regards to Putin, how good he is in the foreign arena, he is just as bad in the domestic arena, because he acts on the principle of "it will dissolve by itself." The president is just the tip of the iceberg. And the king is known to be played by the retinue. And change the proven entourage, why? There are levers of pressure on this environment, and the king will not be devoured. And the new ones are still unknown where they will be taken out, maybe to the chopping block. Sit yourself in the main seat of the country for a minute, think about what you would do? So, no matter how regrettable, but "the step that the whole country waits with a sinking breath", alas, will not happen. (oh, we will feel )
          1. ksenya
            ksenya 15 September 2015 18: 23
            +2
            Quote: fennekRUS
            And the new ones are still unknown where to take out, maybe on the chopping block.

            Where are they going now? They will ruin the country, arrange a maidan, to which they will give Putin, and they themselves board a plane and fly away to their castles. Who has not seen pictures of the castle belonging to the first deputy chairman of the government, Mr. Shuvalov? That's the same ...
            1. fennekRUS
              fennekRUS 17 September 2015 14: 02
              0
              Quote: ksenya
              Where are they going now? They will ruin the country, will arrange a maidan, to which they will give Putin

              Вы видимо невнимательно прочли мой пост. На текущее окружение - наверняка, как и на Ходорковского и прочих показательно наказаных, лежат папочки в сейфе у ген.прокурора.Ну или идет блеф за то , что лежат. Полностью исключить Ваш вариант событий конечно нельзя, ибо в этих крысиных гонках побеждает самый изворотливый. Но на текущих, видимо есть чем влиять.Отдать толпе -инструмент обоюдоострый. Где гарантии того, что Путин не сдаст нелояльных на расправу?
      7. Lenin
        Lenin 15 September 2015 03: 10
        +1
        Changing only the system is not enough. Still thieves to punish and ask for a mess in the country and impoverishment of the people. Yeltsin and Sobchak not, so think with whom to ask?
    4. BecmepH
      BecmepH 14 September 2015 06: 29
      +28
      The fins that are at the head of the fish are called feathers. It’s stupid when they jerk off without understanding the question
    5. War and Peace
      War and Peace 14 September 2015 08: 23
      +27
      what a strange article, earlier when mentioning the name of Putin in the negative, immediately a hundred minuses, but here are such strange conversations, WHO RESOLVED?
      For Putin oligarchs or against? You just need to remember the nearest history when the ebony oligarchs were 20pcs, under Putin there are already more than 130 dollar billionaires. Well, that’s the whole answer. FOR or AGAIN, there can be no two opinions. You see, you cannot make stone chambers of righteousness. And you become billionaires like that, CUT OFF A PIECE OF STATE ECONOMY and for reasons incomprehensible to other people endow these or those people. Moreover, one of the first reasons can be called easy - it belongs to the Jewish people - they are the most loyal to this government ...
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 08: 32
        -3
        Quote: War and Peace
        You just need to remember the nearest history when the ebony oligarchs were 20pcs, under Putin there are already more than 130 dollar billionaires.

        You just need to remember the poor people living for half a year without a salary.
        Quote: War and Peace
        Well, that’s the whole answer.


        Quote: War and Peace
        And they become so billionaires, CUT A PIECE OF STATE ECONOMY and, for reasons incomprehensible to other people, they endow these or those people.

        And with the "stolen money" they re-equip the Russian army with special cynicism. good
        Ahhh, I understand, they started a rearmament program to cut budget loot !!! wassat
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 14 September 2015 08: 40
          +16
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          You just need to remember the poor people living for half a year without a salary.


          what friend are you today alone, the rest of the putinoids when they catch up?
          Yes, you need to remember the people without a salary, with a beggarly salary of a designer on KUZNETSOV, who are going to revive 20 thousand. and of course the oligarchs, but an official close with the arrival of 5-6 MIL / DAY


          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          And with the "stolen money" they re-equip the Russian army with special cynicism. good
          Ahhh, I understand, they started a rearmament program to cut budget loot!


          who "rearms" that Abramovich?, Vekselberg, Sechinov, Yoprokhorov?
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 14 September 2015 10: 46
            +3
            Yes, we must remember the people without a salary, with a beggarly salary of the designer on KUZNETSOV, who are going to revive-20tys


            Let's separate the flies from the cutlets. In 90, many did not receive salaries at all. It was not for nothing that the joke went that businesswomen intended to make entrance to work paid. GDP has done a lot for Russia, but now it crosses out everything done.

            who "rearms" that Abramovich?, Vekselberg, Sechinov, Yoprokhorov?


            Rearm the state. Another thing, if dispossessing promissory notes and other e, it would be possible not to rearm the army at 70%, but at 170%.
            1. War and Peace
              War and Peace 14 September 2015 13: 35
              +1
              Quote: alicante11
              Let's separate the flies from the cutlets. In 90, many did not receive salaries at all. It was not for nothing that the joke went that businesswomen intended to make entrance to work paid. GDP has done a lot for Russia, but now it crosses out everything done.


              let's already passed since 90s 15 years, your type "argument" is already deprecated ...
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 14 September 2015 14: 31
                +1
                And what is it out of date? That we live better than in 90? Not yet out of date. That the trend is worsening, it is, although not in all sectors.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 14 September 2015 14: 49
                  +6
                  Quote: alicante11
                  And what is it out of date? That we live better than in the 90s?

                  I’m surprised too, many here say Putin, poor people impoverished with him. Politics. He’s not right. He needs to be removed and so on. And what do we get in return? Revolution? The lack of salaries and pensions for war and devastation is even a bigger bike from the whole CAPITALIST world? The only work that will be available is a fighter in various units who will fight among themselves and our children will starve at this time?
                  It is precisely this scenario that our enemies in the USA and Israel are waiting for; this is precisely their dream to draw us into the war, weaken and, ultimately, destroy it. And this is exactly what Putin is now avoiding, good or bad.
                2. War and Peace
                  War and Peace 14 September 2015 15: 40
                  +5
                  Quote: alicante11
                  And what is it out of date? That we live better than in 90? Not yet out of date. That the trend is worsening, it is, although not in all sectors.


                  and the fact that a whole generation has passed, but the people, as he counted a penny and looked for work and thinks so, he is looking for it, DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. FINANCIAL CONTROL so that people would not let Boh not get rich, as they were and remained ...
        2. KBR109
          KBR109 14 September 2015 10: 07
          +22
          I am explaining all the dumbfounded - if by 2011 the West agreed to accept our "fat burbots" as equals and did not seek to squeeze their money through the courts, as illegally acquired, then no surge of patriotism and interest in the Army would be required. But since there was no recognition, they agreed that the presence of a relatively powerful state with an impressive army behind them could guarantee their (money and burbot themselves) inviolability. That's the whole "secret".
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 18: 19
            -4
            Quote: KBR109
            I am explaining to all the nonsense - if the West by 2011 agreed to accept our "fat burbots" as equals and did not seek to squeeze their money through the courts, as illegally acquired

            It's impossible!!! The West has robbed and continues to rob. Throw this nonsense out of your head.
            The whole West, and not only the arrogant Saxons, ensured their well-being due to the robbery of other peoples.
            Quote: KBR109
            That's the whole "secret".

            For this, the USSR was also dismembered, so that resources could be grabbed, but just not for long.

            So, your explanations from the category of unscientific fiction.
          2. yuriy55
            yuriy55 15 September 2015 04: 30
            0
            Aha! I believe! The only thing the West needs is to squeeze the "burbots" and pull their skins onto the Russian globe ...
            One little problem! Here on the globe another 140 "not burbots" live. Is there health and strength to "squeeze" them? Health is not enough! yes

            Among other things, there are doubts about the purely Russian (Russian) origin and habitat of "fat burbots". Well, yes, wait and see ...
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 14 September 2015 10: 35
          +9
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          And with the "stolen money" they re-equip the Russian army with special cynicism.

          Otherwise, they will be deprived of "everything that was acquired by back-breaking labor." And they were not robbed of such people. , you need to equip the army better.
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Ahhh, I understand, they started a rearmament program to cut budget loot !!!

          And this, too. But in order to protect their "achievements" from Western democratizers ... and from the people it will not hurt.
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 18: 25
            -7
            Quote: revnagan
            Otherwise, they will be deprived of "everything that was acquired by back-breaking labor." And they were not robbed of them. Gaddafi, Hussein. To keep money in the West is dumb, they will take away at any moment under any far-fetched pretext.

            Actually, Putin has long been warning about this. good

            Quote: revnagan
            And so as not to come to select, you need to arm the army better.

            Which is fully consistent with Russia and its people. wink

            Quote: revnagan
            And this, too. But in order to protect their "achievements" from Western democratizers ... and from the people it will not hurt.

            Your imagination is not enough for more. laughing
        4. veksha50
          veksha50 14 September 2015 12: 41
          0
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          You just have to remember the poor people living for half a year without a salary.



          Excuse me, please - this is where now people do not receive a salary for six months ???

          Specifically, please, with a reference and facts ...

          It is that a person works - and does not receive a salary ... for six months ...
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 14 September 2015 15: 39
            +1
            Quote: veksha50
            Specifically, please, with a reference and facts.



            Voot, two have lucidly explained the minuses ...

            After all, to answer - you need to strain, and even pick up the facts and link ...
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 18: 45
              0
              Quote: veksha50
              Voot, two have lucidly explained the minuses ...

              So you don’t even delve into these minuses.
              Actually, here, to put the pluses of a great mind, one does not need to - scolding Putin and marshall epaulettes for a month will be provided.
              But this is fraught with Maidan already in Russia. And mother Russia may not survive the third in 100 years.
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 14 September 2015 21: 25
                +1
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                So you don’t even delve into these minuses.



                So that you know - I don’t put any minuses at all ... Or I pass by, or “get involved” in polemics ...

                You are now just angry at everyone because of these minuses ...

                PS You didn’t even delve into your rage that I’m talking about the minuses stuck with ME ... So calm down ... You can roll a glass of tea with brandy ...
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 15 September 2015 08: 43
                  -2
                  Quote: veksha50
                  You are now just angry at everyone because of these minuses ...

                  Not the minuses, but the tyranny of stupidity. You did not begin to understand, immediately pasted a label. Here the situation is actively rocking, leading to the second Swamp or Maidan, if you like. You help this, at least in this case, helped.
                  Many people believe that Putin is to blame for everything, and not the Communists who dismembered the USSR.
                  I will give you an analogy.
                  The partition of the country is similar to the partition of man. If someone was cut off by a tram or quartered. This will affect his entire remaining life.
                  Fortunately, a country can recover, unlike a person who is not able to grow his legs or arms.
                  If you are not biased, you will come to the same conclusions. and me too.

                  I do not drink alcohol in any form.

                  As for the tyranny of stupidity, there is such a book by Yu. Mukhin.
                  Abstract:
                  Of all forms of tyranny, the most terrible is the tyranny of stupidity. Firstly, because we keep it in ourselves, and secondly, because it is the basis of all other tyrannies. With it we torment not only those around us, but ourselves as well. Why this happens is explained in this book.Based on the facts, it turns out that humanity is sharply getting stupid, but how then to understand the rapid development of engineering and technology? There is no contradiction, since this progress is driven by the narrow specialization of professional activity, and the tyranny of stupidity is the falling ability of people to consciously respond to changes, not even life, but just social life. We are talking about the general cultural level of mankind - the person’s ability to use not only the knowledge of his narrow specialty, but all the accumulated knowledge of mankind, even in their principal form. The author offers an extremely simple way to overthrow the tyranny of stupidity without revolutionary upheavals and civil war.
                  1. veksha50
                    veksha50 15 September 2015 11: 19
                    +3
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    I do not drink alcohol in any form.


                    Or maybe it would sometimes be worth it in normal doses ... To relieve rage and stress ...

                    "You didn’t understand, immediately the label was pasted"...

                    To whom and when ??? Facts in the studio ...

                    "Many people believe that Putin is to blame for everything, and not the Communists who dismembered the USSR"...

                    It seems to me that you are relatively young, did not live at certain times of Soviet-Russian development, and confuse scrambled eggs with manure ...

                    And in general, boy, you will now achieve only one thing: before, I treated you as an adequate person who loves his Motherland and its president ... but now I see that in the heat of polemics you start to pass off black as white, round as lilac. .. However, this "love" can do you an evil service, however, as well as to the president you are defending ...

                    And he got in touch with me for one simple reason - that I didn’t get naughty, but just tried to explain something, and to find out something ... In response, you started to be rude, reproaching me for some minuses, labels, etc. P.

                    You have achieved one thing now: now I will not even pay attention to your comments ...
                    You can say that you give a damn about ... Then I ask the question: why do you write your comments if you give a damn about the reaction of forum users to them? ...
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 15 September 2015 16: 24
                      -1
                      Quote: veksha50
                      and why do you write your comments if you give a damn about the reaction of forum users to them? ...

                      It is strange that they did not understand this.

                      Quote: VseDoFeNi
                      But this is fraught with Maidan already in Russia. And mother Russia may not survive the third in 100 years.


                      Behind the sim - amen.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 September 2015 18: 46
              +3
              Everything about a damn about 90-e Gutar.
            3. MrK
              MrK 14 September 2015 19: 04
              0
              Quote: veksha50
              Excuse me, please - this is where now people do not receive a salary for six months ???

              I give a reference
              PRICES, SALES AND PROTESTS IN RUSSIA
              Борис Ихлов [ikhlov] 13.9.2015
              http://worldcrisis.ru/crisis/2056422
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 14 September 2015 21: 39
                +1
                Quote: mrark
                I give a reference
                PRICES, SALES AND PROTESTS IN RUSSIA



                I went ... I read ... The information, of course, is not good, but in our town, too, not all the glories of God ...

                However, VseDoFeni cried out very odiously that people didn’t get a salary for half a year ...

                Firstly, the information to which you sent me also does not say anything about half a year ... Yes, they reduce the number of working days in a week or hours per shift, yes, they do not give out salaries in full, but in parts ... Yes , a lot of violations, yes, a lot of fake, yes, I agree - many managers and business owners need ... what you need - I won’t say, you will understand ...

                However, Vsedofeni was too angry in his anger, so I asked him a question - WHERE in Russia they do not pay salaries for six months ???

                PS In general, I have long come to the following conclusion ... I will not defend Putin, but much negative is going on locally by local princes ... And there is no council for them ... But Putin does not have a large and monolithic team of like-minded people , for this reason, the state is in the manual control mode ... The government does not make a single roll, it seems that it is engaged in sabotage and stuffs its pockets ... LADIES are too cheerful all the time, it doesn’t have any problems ... him - the same ...
                About governors and mayors (it’s necessary - the chairman of the village council calls himself mayor !!!) I’m not talking ...
                1. MrK
                  MrK 14 September 2015 23: 50
                  0
                  Quote: veksha50
                  I went ... I read ... The information, of course, is not good, but in our town, too, not all the glories of God ...

                  Well then another link.
                  On mass layoffs of workers at Transmashholding enterprises
                  https://work-way.com/o-massovyx-sokrashheniyax-rabochix-na-predpriyatiyax-transm
                  ashxoldinga /
                  1. veksha50
                    veksha50 15 September 2015 11: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: mrark
                    Well then another link.
                    On mass layoffs of workers at Transmashholding enterprises



                    Lord ... Look at my answer above ... I'm writing that in our town the same picture as in the country ... What is it that I said obscurely ??? What are you trying to prove to me ???
                    Am I - I don’t see anything ??? The information that I have is above the roof, and often reliable and not from the club of OBS ... and not tyrneta either ...

                    But I do not understand - why empty cries ???
                    Do not like the power ??? Then what do you offer, and what (whom) to replace it ???
                    Do you yourself believe that somewhere in the world, in an unknown state, people came to power who are sleeping and see how to make the people of their country happy ???

                    An empty conversation ... non-binding, only escalating the situation ...
                    and gloom overnight, with a wave of a hand, they do not accelerate ... if dispersal is even possible at all ...
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 15 September 2015 11: 39
                      +2
                      an inflated condom, by definition, is not an airship ....
                      as if someone didn’t want it
                2. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 15 September 2015 04: 26
                  -2
                  Quote: veksha50
                  However, VseDoFeni cried out very odiously that people didn’t get a salary for half a year.

                  Yes, damn it burned !!! I'm talking about the Nineties !!! The whole country was poor.
                  Why are we stupid?
                  1. veksha50
                    veksha50 15 September 2015 11: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    Yes, damn it burned !!! I'm talking about the Nineties !!! The whole country was poor.
                    Why are we stupid?


                    REACHED !!!

                    If I used to brighten up your cons, considering a like-minded person, now I will not do this ...

                    And in general - all my life I tried to distance myself from hysterical women ...

                    ALL !!!

                    PS You're so kind to everyone related to you people on the forum lose ...
                    And Putin SUCH protection-only harm you do ...
                    This is similar to how the Duma decided to erect a monument to Grand Duke Vladimir by the "incomparable" Tsereteli near the Borovitskaya Tower ...
                    The people of IT can perceive just negatively, and not in the way the Duma thinks, which does not think at all with its stupidity ...
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 15 September 2015 15: 14
                      +1
                      Quote: veksha50
                      veksha50

                      people begin to wake up!
                      wink
                      all the same, he still showed a reference point laughing
          2. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 18: 30
            -2
            Quote: veksha50
            Excuse me, please - this is where now people do not receive a salary for six months ???

            Have you forgotten how you didn't get half a year in the nineties ???

            I constantly write that “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
            And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi
            1. MrK
              MrK 14 September 2015 19: 33
              +7
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money.


              Тому, который по фени ботает. Это говорит о наличии денег у 20% население. Why don’t you remember about 23 million Russian citizens living below the poverty line, Why don’t you remember that Russians cannot pay 3,5 banks trillion rubles. What is destroyed secondary and higher education. My granddaughter and all her classmates, a teacher (I can not say otherwise) in English said: hire tutors. According to the program in the lessons, do not learn the language and do not pass the exam.
              Чthen there’s a lot of housing being built, looking at ads, but 22% is less than in the RSFSR.
              That only 11% of the country's population can participate in a mortgage.

              I’m a kid from the outskirts of a small district town became a doctor of technical sciences, professor. Today, people like me in this town cannot even become loaders in the market. Yes, what am I there. Today, designer M. Kalashnikov would not have invented a machine gun, but would have worked as a loader in the market. And that is not a fact.
              And for this one that works like a damn thing, the main thing is to buy an old foreign car, a box of beer and put two or three heifers in the car. Hooray!!! I'm rich.
              Only ANIMAL that has not developed to the HUMAN level can evaluate a country by the number of branded jeans, chewing gum, Coca-Cola, and used foreign cars. VERY SORRY
              There is no intelligence and conscience, and it will never be. Like any troll.
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 20: 28
                -2
                Quote: mrark
                Why don’t you remember about 23 million Russian citizens living below the poverty line? Why don’t you remember that Russians cannot pay banks 3,5 trillion rubles. What is destroyed secondary and higher education

                Once again I repeat - thank the corrupt brainless communists who dismembered the USSR in 1991.

                I hope that the professor is able to compile a chronology of the events of the past 25 years on a piece of paper with a pencil and understand what is the reason for YOUR claims in COM and? I will remind you the starting point - December 8, 1991.
                1. MrK
                  MrK 15 September 2015 00: 06
                  +5
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  Once again I repeat - thank the corrupt brainless communists who dismembered the USSR in 1991.

                  I recommend the book of my colleague, where without a pencil everything is laid out on shelves. Here are excerpts:
                  With the advent of Khrushchev, the rebirth of the Communists began.
                  At the time of Brezhnev, all this smoldered ... with the advent of Gorbachev, the most favorable soil was created for decay - all the foundations of the party and society began to decay and collapse.
                  Как очень точно выразился С. Кургинян, все пушки советской пропаганды зарядили диссидентским дерьмом и выстрелили в мозги народу. Несомненно, гниение всячески стимулировалось спецслужбами Запада. В свою очередь гниение объясняется тем, что, во-первых, в свое время в партию повалили ВСЕ КОМУ НЕ ЛЕНЬ. Она состояла наполовину из совершенно случайных и даже враждебно настроенных людей.

                  Обидно и больно было наблюдать, как депутаты верховного Совета, в основном русские люди, голосуют за уничтожение своей тысячелетней державы – Великой России - СССР.
                  Khasbulatov deftly managed the Supreme Council, avoiding serious discussion of this issue, and Mr. V. Sheinis, a democrat and ardent enemy of the USSR, called for ratification of the Bialowieza Agreements as soon as possible. The representative of the deputy group “Communists of Russia” twice Hero of the Soviet Union, USSR pilot-cosmonaut V. I. Sevastyanov, also supported ratification. And then all the members of the deputy group “Communists of Russia” VOTED for ratification.
                  This is some kind of theater of absurdity when the Communists in the 1991 year vote for the destruction of the great state created by their fathers and grandfathers in the 1922 year!

                  [A. Kurlyandchik - “CURSED SOVIET AUTHORITY” ... on Proza.ru]
                  1. yuriy55
                    yuriy55 15 September 2015 04: 43
                    +4
                    There it is not spelled out in the book that the Communists and Soviet power were divided into such institutions as: Party committee и City Executive Committee... And the disintegration of the former occurred when random (without a ticket of a member of the CPSU in the USSR it was impossible to become a more or less significant leader), people who got "with a purpose" in the ranks of the CPSU, began to lead the executive committees and other sectors of the national economy ...
                  2. VseDoFeNi
                    VseDoFeNi 15 September 2015 05: 37
                    -2
                    Quote: mrark
                    With the advent of Khrushchev, the rebirth of the Communists began.

                    It's nice when your colleague writes about reborn communists, that’s good and right. When I write about corrupt brainless people, for this I have to be shot and sit down. Where is the logic, professor?

                    Quote: mrark
                    This is some kind of theater of absurdity when the Communists in the 1991 year vote for the destruction of the great state created by their fathers and grandfathers in the 1922 year!

                    Well, how does this differ from my words? NO! I call it not "theater of the absurd", but venality and mindlessness. And they are no different from their grandfathers who destroyed the great state in 1917.
                    Grandfathers destroyed one great, grandchildren another, built by grandfathers.
                    By the example of the Gaidarov family, this is perfectly visible - Arkady destroyed the Russian Empire and built the USSR, Timur Arkadyevich wiped his pants on his father’s laurels, Yegor Timurovich destroyed the USSR, and Maria Yegorovna was an open enemy for Russia.

                    Today, the West declared Russia an economic war. During the war, you undermine power in Russia. The loss of power in any country during the war is a heavy blow to this country. Draw your own conclusions if you can.
                  3. veksha50
                    veksha50 15 September 2015 11: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: mrark
                    at one time EVERYONE WHO SHOULD NOT BE LAZY was thrown into the party. It consisted of half completely random and even hostile people.


                    Everything is right ... Careerists have thrown, without an idea, but with the goal of a career, which means, as a result, the authorities and the profits ...
          3. EvgNik
            EvgNik 15 September 2015 07: 31
            +5
            Quote: veksha50
            this is where now people do not receive a salary for six months ???

            For example, in our factory.
            http://nesekretno.ru/eco/31256/Aleksandrovskii_mahzavod_nacal_viplacivat_dolgi
            Please reference. In fact, everything is much worse. From the city-forming has turned into it is not clear what. Of the 6000 workers, about 1000 remained (half of them are in management, about a dozen directors alone), warned that massive cuts are expected. That's how good we live under capitalism, damn it.
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 15 September 2015 11: 45
              +1
              Quote: EvgNik
              Please reference. In fact, everything is much worse. From the city-forming has turned into it is not clear what. Of the 6000 workers, about 1000 remained (half of them are in management, about a dozen directors alone), warned that massive cuts are expected.



              I agree ... Everything is exactly the same, as in our town and with our factory ...

              Just come on to the point: it was about the fact that people for half a year do not receive a salary, and not about reductions ...
              And then the question: "What are we arguing about ???" ...

              P.S. А есть моногорода, где ВООБЩЕ работы нет, и больших городов рядом нет... Но ведь это - нет работы - не говорит о том, что полгода не платят зарплату ???
              I asked him, read my comment: where - a person - goes - to - work - and - for him - six months - do not - get paid - salary?
      2. nils
        nils 14 September 2015 09: 47
        +24
        Quote: War and Peace
        under ebony oligarchs there were 20 units, under Putin there are already more than 130 dollar billionaires.


        Friends, relatives, neighbors in the country and sparring partners of Putin are all billionaires.
        http://www.inopressa.ru/article/15feb2011/diepresse/putin1.html
        A few examples:
        Sergey Chemezov is the head of the Avtovaz concern, do you remember the story of subsidies for the dying bucket factory? Yuri Kovalchuk - Bank Russia, Dmitry Medvedev - Gazprom, part-time nanopremier, Vladimir Yakunin - former Russian Railways, Sergey Pugachev - Mezhprombank, Alexey Miller - Gazprom Sergey Bogdanchikov - Rosneft, Igor Sechin - Rosneft, Gennady Timchenko - Co-owner of the oil trader Gunvor, bank <Russia >, Vladimir Kogan - Design Bureau Sukhoi, MIG.
        Russian business is taken under control by friends:
        http://www.rupor.info/news-v-mire/2010/09/20/platnie-dorogi-v-rossii-strojat-dru
        zja-putina /
        Putin is friends with all billionaires or billionaires are only friends?
        http://obzor.westsib.ru/news/292
        Putin’s aura is so strong that all of his classmates, classmates, and colleagues got along quite well:
        http://www.lenpravda.ru/today/272714.html
        And more about Putin’s friends: http://protiv-putina.ru/forum/txt/index.php/t3930.html
        About the circle of friends: http://navalny.livejournal.com/485080.html?nc=731
        Well, in the appendage St. Petersburg billionaires: http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/337000-0/
        and http://navalny.livejournal.com/485080.html?nc=731
        Putin himself is an interesting person - we are well aware that a gang of billionaire thieves has been gathered around Putin (only a thief can be a billionaire in a poor country), but the link that connects thieves is amazingly clean. Putin has no factories, no railways, no controlling interest in Swiss banks, amazing, right?
        Maybe Putin is an honest man?
        We will never know much about Putin, but here's what we know about him:
        One Putin’s yacht costs 4 million dollars. http://compromat.ru/page_13124.htm
        Another 50.000.000 of dollars, not the most expensive, but noticeable: http://compromat.ru/page_26455.htm
        Putin's dachas: A modest private palace on the black sea: http://ruleaks.net/1901#more-1901
        A virtual tour of the palace for a billion dollars:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF41GTcIcMg&NR=1
        And another cottage: http://community.livejournal.com/gp_russia/1212580.html
        And another cottage in Altai: http://www.novayagazeta.ru/data/2011/099/00.html
        The road to this country house was built from the district budget and cost four billion rubles. That is, 200 million per kilometer!
        In addition, there are twenty more residences.
        http://mycityua.com/articles/world/2011/01/17/012714.html
        больше только у Ким Чен Ира. Причем все это принадлежит отдельным лицам. Столько дач, замучаешься отдыхать, когда же работать-то?
        List of personal property of comrade Stalin I.V. after death:
        1. Notebook; 2. Notebook, leather, red;
        3. Personal notes, notes; 4. General notebook with notes, red cover;
        5. Smoking pipes - 5 pcs. To them: 4 boxes and specials. devices, tobacco. In Comrade Stalin’s office: books, desk accessories, souvenirs are not included in the list. Bedroom and wardrobe; 6. White tunic - 2 pcs. (The star of the Hero of Socialist Labor is attached to both); 7. The tunic is gray, semi-daily - 2 pcs .; 8. The tunic is dark green - 2 pcs .; 9. Pants - 10; 10. Other property belonging to Comrade Stalin was not included in the inventory. A savings book was found in the bedroom, 900 rubles were recorded in it.
        Other assets included a fox-shaped desktop alarm clock (with a broken ear) and a desktop figurine donated by Roosevelt.
        In addition, Joseph Vissarionovich left behind a superpower at the peak of his power.

        What will Putin leave behind? And to whom?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 14 September 2015 10: 48
          +7
          What will Putin leave behind? And to whom?


          Well, they said the same - 130 oligarchs. Of course, if the West does not gobble them up without popular support.
        2. Tambov Wolf
          Tambov Wolf 14 September 2015 15: 00
          +4
          So Putin himself said that he has three friends. Two Ukrainians and one Jew, Timchenko and Rotenberg, I don’t remember the third .. The other comrades.
        3. Cherdak
          Cherdak 14 September 2015 15: 12
          0
          Quote: nils
          What will Putin leave behind?


          I liked the summary of the "truth from Borukh".
          Is it translated into Ukrainian?
          Or is there a direct retelling from the language of the "aggressor"?
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 15 September 2015 04: 47
            0
            Notes from the other world? No.
        4. SVD
          SVD 14 September 2015 20: 36
          +1
          What are you referring to any crap? You live in a bad way, people don’t give out salaries, business failed? I don’t like oligarch thieves, but without them in the USSR they didn’t get fat ... And if you want the best, don’t sit for days on the Internet studying everything that’s written - 99% of it is nonsense, but do something useful for yourself. Otherwise, you will soon start jumping ...
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak 14 September 2015 21: 15
            0
            Quote: SVD
            What are you referring to any crap?

            Sarcasmone of the types of satirical exposure, stinging mockery, the highest degree of irony, based not only on the increased contrast of the implied and expressed, but also on the immediate intentional exposure of the implied.
      3. yuriy55
        yuriy55 15 September 2015 04: 24
        0
        they are the most loyal to this power ...


        Then, with the same courage and absolute certainty, continuing the thought, ask ourselves the question:
        Is there confidence that Putin’s power is leading Russia to the abyss? Or is it such a cunning plan? what
        1. MrK
          MrK 15 September 2015 23: 52
          0
          Quote: yuriy55
          Or is it such a cunning plan?

          He leads Russia to the abyss. This is the whole tricky plan.
    6. revnagan
      revnagan 14 September 2015 10: 03
      +3
      Krasnopёrka ... have you heard? Yes, the old Russian name for fish fins. If you don’t know, there’s no reason to be proud of it.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 14 September 2015 10: 38
        -6
        Quote: revnagan
        Krasnopёrka ... have you heard? Yes, the old Russian name for fish fins

        Ichthios grandiose! Show me the caught bream with red fins, pliz!
        It will not remain Bream no pen here.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 September 2015 11: 33
        0
        The rudd is a fish, but not a bream, the official name for the roach
        1. Andrew
          Andrew 15 September 2015 05: 11
          +1
          The rudd is the rudd, the roach is roach ...
  2. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 14 September 2015 05: 41
    +31
    Our esteemed, beloved guarantor of the constitution, the same oligarch as everyone else who stole during the Chubais grab, only the position makes you keep a distance from them so that they are white and fluffy in the eyes of the people, and the fact that he does not touch them is like a crow in the eye does not bite.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 September 2015 06: 05
      +8
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      Our respected, beloved guarantor of the constitution, the same oligarch as everyone else who stole during

      US intelligence agencies spent 20 years searching Putin’s billions and didn’t find them. Maybe you can help them find these billions.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 14 September 2015 06: 36
        +12
        Have you been looking?
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 06: 46
          +3
          Quote: Greenwood
          Have you been looking?

          To be able to pull the strings? Surely searched. wink
          1. rosarioagro
            rosarioagro 14 September 2015 06: 56
            +5
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            To be able to pull the strings?

            well, and pulled, May 11
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 07: 03
              -2
              Quote: rosarioagro
              well, and pulled, May 11

              Namely?
              1. rosarioagro
                rosarioagro 14 September 2015 07: 11
                +8
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Namely?

                Well, a meeting with Didier Burkhalter, before her there was not a word about the referendum in Donbass, and after "well, his this referendum" (conditionally, of course)
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 07: 18
                  -3
                  Quote: rosarioagro
                  (conditionally of course)

                  Conventions are not relevant here. I want specifics. You insist that Putin’s activities harm Russia. Prove it.
                  1. rosarioagro
                    rosarioagro 14 September 2015 07: 30
                    +29
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    You insist that Putin’s activities harm Russia.

                    А что он предложил обществу вектор развития, построил систему управления государством или "надо больше ручного управления", нет он "равноудалился" и позволил олигархам делать свой гешефт в обмен на лояльность, может он дал возможность развития для малого бизнеса подняв страховые платежи, или кредиты вдруг оказались доступными на внутреннем рынке, чтобы производство можно было развивать, нет для него важно чтобы окружение было к нему лояльно, даже Бразилия в кризисные времена находила возможность развивать производство поэтому сейчас Эмбрайер по всему миру предлагает свои лайнеры, а почему то не Ту или Ил..., я уже не упоминаю про интересную систему правосудия, по отношению к отдельным гражданам, у которых есть деньги и связи
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 07: 45
                      -14
                      Quote: rosarioagro
                      allowed the oligarchs to do their gesheft in exchange for loyalty

                      Well, suppose the oligarchs were not created by Putin.
                      Quote: VseDoFeNi
                      And the oligarchs in our country were created by American advisers on privatization after the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists in 1991.
                      Here is our popular Yoligarch Mikhail Prokhorov, who is quite a native of the Communist family.

                      Putin pushed back the seven-bankers, allowed our citizens, including you, to live as richly as we had never lived in the foreseeable past.

                      Quote: rosarioagro
                      maybe he gave an opportunity for development for small businesses by raising insurance payments

                      And what does the MB do with us, except how farmers do anything?

                      Quote: rosarioagro
                      or loans were suddenly available in the domestic market,

                      Again we rest in 1991, when we were replaced by capitalism ...
                      Although you do not like it.

                      Quote: rosarioagro
                      I don’t mention an interesting justice system in relation to individual citizens who have money and connections

                      And you graduate from law school, become a judge and judge fairly, as you see fit in the framework of the laws.
                      1. rosarioagro
                        rosarioagro 14 September 2015 07: 56
                        +24
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Well, suppose the oligarchs were not created by Putin.

                        Oh well, what were Yushchenko’s rumors about Usmanov, Vekselberg, Deripaska, and others that are now? No, there were Gusinsky, Potanin, Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, Prokhorov and a couple, forgot their names, no, it was their tribe that multiplied during Putin

                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Putin pushed back the seven-bankers, allowed our citizens, including you, to live as richly as we had never lived in the foreseeable past.

                        He pushed some of them aside so that those who were loyal to him would come, "rich" is strong, especially in light of the devaluation of the ruble :-)

                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        And what does the MB do with us, except how farmers do anything?

                        Not everyone can work in Gazprom, thus allowing the state to develop small business; it promotes employment for the population, the stability of its income, an increase in the tax base, an increase in demand for consumer goods, and an increase in the general standard of living.

                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Again we rest in 1991, when we were replaced by capitalism ...
                        Although you do not like it.

                        Да, капитализм мне не нравится ибо он нацелен на прибыль группы лиц, а не на повышение благосостояния каждого члена общества из коих и состоит государство, отсюда капитализм не нацелен на процветания всего государства, а только на его часть, подобная несправедливость не может не приводить к возникновению недовольства в обществе, его расслоению, подверженности влиянию другим идеям, отличным от идей капитализма

                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        And you graduate from law school, become a judge and judge fairly, as you see fit in the framework of the laws.

                        He worked in court, saw it all from the inside, when it comes to very big money, this is explained by big politics and a decision will be made in favor of the one who has more money
                      2. oracul
                        oracul 14 September 2015 08: 22
                        +8
                        Regarding the judges, I agree. Nevertheless, I think that most of them could bring more benefit to the people by their decisions, but alas! I will say this: the timelessness of the primary accumulation of capital has created a lack of quality human capital. And this is not a new plant to build for you. It takes a lot more time. Avoid pronouncing - your honor! This right must be earned.
                      3. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 08: 39
                        -18
                        Quote: rosarioagro
                        and the decision will be made in favor of the one who has the most money

                        Yes, yes ... the cat left the kittens, it's Putin's fault. winked
                      4. sherp2015
                        sherp2015 14 September 2015 08: 09
                        +14
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        And you graduate from law school, become a judge and judge fairly, as you see fit in the framework of the laws.


                        What would a simple decent person from the people without money be able to get a judge?
                        You do not know how we are arranged by judges?
                      5. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 08: 19
                        -12
                        Quote: sherp2015
                        You do not know how we are arranged by judges?

                        I didn’t get it, I don’t know. But I am not inclined to believe inscriptions on fences.
                      6. sherp2015
                        sherp2015 14 September 2015 14: 50
                        +3
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        I didn’t get it, I don’t know. But I am not inclined to believe inscriptions on fences.


                        He didn’t pick his own on the fence?
                      7. Cherdak
                        Cherdak 14 September 2015 15: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        But I am not inclined to believe inscriptions on fences.
                      8. victor50
                        victor50 14 September 2015 09: 02
                        +16
                        Закончил юрфак (между Путиным и Медведевым), стал... и ушел в 2002, чтобы не делать, то, что противно совести. Наш гарант после Крыма, конечно, уже ни в чем не виноват и никогда не был виноват! И олигархов он заставляет на благо народа и государства работать, и даже оборону укреплять. А тем, кто ее "укрепляет", как Сердюков и его подельники, мелкие шалости прощаются. Закон торжествует! И когда это мы стали жить богато? Кто это Вам рассказал - один из олигархов?
                      9. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 18: 39
                        -2
                        Quote: victor50
                        Who told you this - one of the oligarchs?

                        You won’t believe it, but in the 2012 year the World Bank put Russia in fifth place in the world.
                      10. MrK
                        MrK 15 September 2015 00: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        You won’t believe it, but in the 2012 year the World Bank put Russia in fifth place in the world.

                        And before 91, the year was second.
                        You still remember Kudrin. He was also the best minister of finance, from the point of view of the West.
                        But JV Stalin said: “If our enemies scold us, then we are doing everything right”
                        Кстати. По уровню медицины, мы уже вторые сзади. (Соловьев в передаче показал и доказал).And GDP - health care reform - will continue
                      11. alicante11
                        alicante11 14 September 2015 11: 01
                        +7
                        Putin pushed back the seven-bankers, allowed our citizens, including you, to live as richly as we had never lived in the foreseeable past.


                        I agree about the first part of the quote. True, he pushed the oligarchs away only from the "executive" power. But they remain the “trendsetters of economic and political fashion”. But at the expense of the fact that we "live richly" - that's forgive me, about a very small percentage. Of course, we cannot compare with the 90s, although our family did not live in poverty in the 90s, but it was hard, but it is better not to compare with Soviet times. With only one apartment, the Soviet government interrupted ALL the modern incomes of the modern "middle class". Moreover, after 2008, the life of the majority has consistently deteriorated.

                        And what does the MB do with us, except how farmers do anything?


                        Well, some fools are trying to work in the real sector. Of course, they are looked upon with regret when they, when registering a company or individual entrepreneur, declare that they do not need activities in the field of trade. But most, of course, are farmers. Just the better big business? They stuck to the remnants of Soviet industry and mining industry and sheared coupons, but they exploited people for nothing.

                        And you graduate from law school, become a judge and judge fairly, as you see fit in the framework of the laws.


                        I hope you are not serious? Is it such a delicate banter about the fact that now there can exist an incorruptible and subordinate legal judge?
                      12. Svetlana
                        Svetlana 14 September 2015 12: 26
                        +9
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Putin pushed back the seven-bankers, allowed our citizens, including you, to live as richly as we had never lived in the foreseeable past.

                        What do you mean, pushed aside the "seven bankers"? Where did he move whom? Everyone who made a fortune under Yeltsin remained in their own interests.
                        But it's not that. Putin does not have absolute power. And he cannot do anything global. The country is ruled by the international banking system, and our oligarchs are managers in this system. Putin is forced to play according to rules written not by him. And if he does something not according to these rules, then he does it at his own risk. It’s not serious to blame Putin for not being able to do anything with the oligarchs. It is necessary to abolish the oligarchic system in order to do something with the oligarchs. A change in the system is not a question of one or two volitional decisions. It is a matter of life and death of many people.
                      13. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 18: 57
                        -2
                        Quote: Svetlana
                        It’s not serious to blame Putin for not being able to do anything with the oligarchs.

                        You tell this to those who run into Putin, their name is legion.

                        Quote: Svetlana
                        It is necessary to abolish the oligarchic system in order to do something with the oligarchs.

                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Our task is to nationalize the banking system, starting with the Central Bank, mineral resources, strategic industries, including energy and transport. Return the state’s monopoly on foreign trade, prohibit the free movement of capital across the border. Return the state monopoly on the production and trade of alcohol and tobacco with a gradual reduction in their turnover to zero.
                        Welcome http://referendumrusnod.ru/


                        Quote: Svetlana
                        A change in the system is not a question of one or two volitional decisions. It is a matter of life and death of many people.

                        That's right. But the mood of the local audience is closer to the Maidan, which is surprising.
                      14. Karabin
                        Karabin 14 September 2015 20: 12
                        +5
                        Quote: Svetlana
                        Putin does not have absolute power. And he cannot do anything global. The country is ruled by the international banking system, and our oligarchs are managers in this system. Putin is forced to play according to rules written not by him. And if he does something not according to these rules, then he does it at his own risk. It’s not serious to blame Putin for not being able to do anything with the oligarchs.

                        Well, right across Pushkin
                        The sovereign is weak and crafty,
                        A bald dandy, the enemy of labor,
                        Unintentionally warmed by glory,
                        Reigned over us then.
                  2. MrK
                    MrK 14 September 2015 19: 38
                    0
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    Prove it.

                    Read above.
            2. Cherdak
              Cherdak 14 September 2015 15: 16
              0
              Quote: rosarioagro
              well, and pulled, May 11


              Is it like surrender?
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        3. inkass_98
          inkass_98 14 September 2015 07: 36
          +4
          Quote: Greenwood
          Have you been looking?

          I think yes. This is such a hook that you’ll get off the hell out of it. So the incentive for the search was not weak, because the money is simply confiscated in fact, and the size of the discussed-estimated capital of the GDP is so large that even for the US economy it would be a very good jackpot.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 14 September 2015 08: 09
            +7
            This is such a hook
            The last of the president's statements, "Russia should not decide the fate of Donbass."
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 08: 44
              -10
              Quote: Gardamir
              The last of the president's statements, "Russia should not decide the fate of Donbass."

              So you don’t like it, if the fate of Russia will be decided by others, Ukraine, for example?
              Do you want to decide the fate of Donbass? You try to decide the fate of your neighbor.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 14 September 2015 09: 00
                +10
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                So you don’t like it, if the fate of Russia will be decided by others, Ukraine, for example?
                Do you want to decide the fate of Donbass? You try to decide the fate of your neighbor.

                For some reason, the United States does not hesitate to decide the fate of many countries, even proud of it. Why are we shy?
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 14 September 2015 11: 05
                  0
                  For some reason, the United States does not hesitate to decide the fate of many countries, even proud of it. Why are we shy?


                  Well, at least they do not become like. In addition, with the decision in the Donbass, and so everything is clear, why once again demonstrate this?
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 14 September 2015 13: 35
                    +4
                    Hi Alik! hi
                    Quote: alicante11
                    Well, at least they do not become like
                    Well, if we follow this logic, we will be the last to stand in all the lines, and all the habals will go forward. In some places you need to chop the insolents.
                    Quote: alicante11
                    . In addition, with the decision in the Donbass, and so everything is clear,

                    Something I have not been observing for clarity lately. Some misunderstandings, and on our part, too, everything is muddy. hi
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 14 September 2015 14: 40
                      +2
                      Привет Алик! hi


                      Greetings. Oh, they began to recognize, it's nice :).

                      Well, if we follow this logic, we will be the last to stand in all the lines, and all the habals will go forward. In some places you need to chop the insolents.


                      This is our destiny. Maybe that's why Russia is still alive? Although, yes, because of this, our bear is always caught up "to the den" at the beginning.

                      Something I have not been observing for clarity lately. Some misunderstandings, and on our part, too, everything is muddy. hi


                      Misunderstandings, but ... where will they go? How much money is invested? The property, again, was squeezed. And where are you going to get a bunch of armed men? Maybe the truth because of Syria stopped the escalation.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 14 September 2015 15: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: alicante11
                        Oh, they began to recognize, it's nice :).

                        A long time ago. Thoughts converge in most cases. drinks
                2. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 20: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  For some reason, the United States does not hesitate to decide the fate of many countries, even proud of it.

                  So west, these are countries of victorious Satanism and Russia should not take an example from them be it military intervention or gameparades.
              2. Gardamir
                Gardamir 14 September 2015 10: 17
                +6
                will others decide, Ukraine, for example?
                Maybe Ukraine will decide the fate of Crimea? Explain the logic of your messages.
            2. veksha50
              veksha50 14 September 2015 13: 39
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              The last of the president’s statements, "not Russia should decide the fate of Donbass".



              I would like this phrase to mean the people of Donbass, and not something else ...
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 14 September 2015 08: 59
            +10
            Quote: inkass_98
            This is such a hook that you’ll get off the hell out of it.

            Disappointed in Boris Mironov after the political ring with Strelkov, but still. Read his book "Jewish Yoke", it is full of facts for which Putin can be put on the hook, as you put it. Only in big politics this hook does not work if everyone knows about everything. Whether it is Kabaeva, or a large stake in Megafon held by VVP's closest relatives. The hook is not advertised information, but here is a full house.
      2. tomket
        tomket 14 September 2015 08: 37
        +13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        20 years of US intelligence spent on Putin's billions

        And what. Has Putin already had billions of years ago?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 September 2015 10: 11
          -9
          Quote: tomket
          And what. Has Putin already had billions of years ago?

          Of course, after all, according to many, he began to steal even under Sobchak in St. Petersburg.
      3. dmb
        dmb 14 September 2015 09: 48
        +15
        The Honorable Mr. Romanov. And I would like to believe that the US intelligence services, in addition to their own presidents, are also accountable to you, but something stops you, Either Salie's report on the "creative activity" of the current Leader under the sensitive guidance of the disinterested Sobchak, or his career growth, which is akin to career growth the same Stepashka the fireman. Today Stepashka writes about bad privatization, but when he, and after him Vova, served in the "Chekist soldiers", privatization seemed absolutely honest to them. I myself do not like to accuse without sufficient grounds, but under the current government you will not get them. If you use your logic, then why are the fighters for the bright name of Putin attacking the darling Borya and his family or his predecessor Misha. After all, they are honest people, and Putinists water them in every possible way.
      4. nils
        nils 14 September 2015 10: 00
        +10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        20 years the US intelligence agencies spent searching Putin's billions and did not find.


        Do they need it?
        Revelations of our enemies:
        We have spent many grants on the creation of your domestic law.
        We tried to write your legislation so that any person living in Russia and engaged in productive productive labor could not be poor staying honest. And we succeeded!
        The only thing that is really profitable to do in Russia within the framework of the legislation that we have written is to extract natural resources for their subsequent exchange for our goods. That is, according to your laws in Russia, it is beneficial to do what we need. It is not beneficial for us that you have a lot of your products in your domestic market. And even more so, it is not beneficial for us that some of your goods are sold on our markets, creating competition for the products of our producers.
        SOMETHING HAS CHANGED VERY MUCH IN THE PAST 15 YEARS?
      5. V.ic
        V.ic 14 September 2015 10: 39
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You haven’t found Putin’s billions. Maybe you can help them find these billions.

        His friends = his wealth (in the sense of "with friends").
      6. Karabin
        Karabin 14 September 2015 12: 33
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        20 years the US intelligence agencies spent searching Putin's billions and did not find.

        Or maybe they found it?
      7. veksha50
        veksha50 14 September 2015 12: 49
        -2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .Can you help them find these billions.



        If they were found, he would long ago, like EBN, dance to their tune ...
      8. Wheel
        Wheel 15 September 2015 01: 12
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        20 years the US intelligence agencies spent searching Putin's billions and did not find.

        Yeah, type, did not find ...
        However, during last year’s visit by the Swiss president, Putin was sooooo nervously banging his legs.
        Why? belay
        So, yes, and the fervor towards the Ruins at once diminished by a couple of orders of magnitude ...
    2. Robinzon57
      Robinzon57 15 September 2015 01: 31
      0
      And where is the evidence, sorry?
    3. yuriy55
      yuriy55 15 September 2015 04: 52
      0
      Of course, maybe this is a cunningly conspiratorial game of a former service worker, only there are doubts that with the West's "mutual love" for Russia and its attitude to scandalous stories, Putin's billions were left without the attention of the press (films, photographs and documents) ...
  3. Name
    Name 14 September 2015 05: 51
    +14
    Welcome all! Articles are being written soon, but not just oligarchs are "moving forward." You can criticize the actions of the VVP as much as you like, but very few of the "supreme" parties will deny themselves the cottage and support from the same "hated" oligarchs, but ...
  4. VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 05: 54
    +4
    Question: why did he retire from this ungracious horde, but not remove it from the face of his native land?

    Is this some kind of foul-smelling but necessary pillars of our industry, like a toilet in an apartment, that help us, albeit at an expensive cost, live? No, these are parasites, bloodsuckers that interfere with living. For all the time of their domination, our production only fell

    Since Russia, like Putin, is not a "spherical horse in a vacuum," let's figure out where did oligarchs come from in our country?
    And the oligarchs in our country were created by American advisers on privatization after the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists in 1991.
    Here is our popular Yoligarch Mikhail Prokhorov, who is quite a native of the Communist family.
    Quote: Pack-s ...
    Born in a family Head of the Department of International Relations of the State Sports Committee of the USSR Dmitry Ionovich Prokhorov (originally from Barnaul [9]) and employees of the Department of Polymers of the Moscow Institute of Chemical Engineering Tamara Mikhailovna Kumaritova.


    And so on on the list.

    So, the article is absolutely provocative and manipulative in the spirit of "independent liberal media", which are quite corrupt and certainly NOT independent.
    «Today in America there is no such thing as an independent press. You know that, and I know that! None of you dare to write what you think. And if he dares, then knowing in advance that this will not get into print.
    I get paid to keep my mouth shut. You get paid for the same. And any of you who are so stupid that they write an honest article will be thrown out into the street. If I decided to publish my honest opinion, I would be left without work at 24 o’clock. The work of journalists is to destroy the truth; creep, pervert, denigrate; to fawn before Mammon and sell his country and his race for daily bread! You know this, and I know this, so what nonsense is this - raising a toast to an independent press? We are the tools and servants of wealthy people behind the scenes. We are puppets; they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, abilities and lives belong to them. We are intelligent prostitutes!»
    1880, John "Dean of Journalism" Swinton,
    New York Times editorial staff (1860-1870),
    New York Sun editorial staff, publisher of his own newspaper.
    1. Babr
      Babr 14 September 2015 07: 16
      +8
      When we say oligarchs, we present a disgusting face. But one thing.
      But this is not so.
      There are clans. And they are biting among themselves.
      I recall the words of General Petrov, where he said (Zionists amicably go to the intended goal, but when the goal is achieved, they bite among themselves)
      Below is an article where these clans are painted by Khazin, Dzhemal and Devyatov.
      All three opinions differ only in trifles.
      Without knowing this, it is impossible to understand what is happening there.
      In this knowledge will not.
      http://mayoripatiev.ru/1427017344
  5. fa2998
    fa2998 14 September 2015 05: 59
    +19
    What a convenient position of our power, "equidistant"! A thief should be in prison! Everything in this life is connected, if one flies on an airbus, then many others make ends meet. Thank you Vova! hi
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 06: 07
      -24
      Quote: fa2998
      Thanks Vova!

      And again you give me a chance to remind you that “in 1991 the corrupt brainless communists destroyed the USSR, tied the RUBLE to the DOLLAR, deprived our enterprises of work and financing ...
      Putin is forced to correct the consequences of this destruction. Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
      And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 14 September 2015 06: 40
        +29
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        corrupt brainless communists
        Come up with something new already, in every post I see this phrase. Just like a parrot settled.
        Communist communist discord. Any idea can be stolen when careerists who think only of themselves stick to it. By the way, Putin is also a former communist, isn't he ?!
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi
        Well, definitely a parrot.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 06: 49
          -9
          Repetition, mother of learning. The teacher at school only does that repeats the same thing for years and decades. So PREPARE !!! laughing

          And in matters of the integrity of the state and the lives of millions of our citizens, even a parrot is not a sin to be. wink
        2. dmb
          dmb 14 September 2015 11: 31
          +10
          Yes, do not pay attention to you, the usual teacher. Below he gives "his recipes" for building a brighter future, which are absolutely no different from the ideas of "mindless and corrupt communists". It doesn't matter with the logic of this gentleman at all, because while citing these recipes, he nevertheless says that today, thanks to his beloved Leader, everything is so fine that only utter villains, agents of the State Department, etc., can wish otherwise. Such gentlemen should be treated with humor, without them life is simply boring.
      2. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 14 September 2015 06: 58
        +7
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        corrupt brainless communists

        Yes, when you often repeat the above, you increasingly associate yourself with -
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        corrupt brainless communists
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 07: 50
          -6
          Quote: rosarioagro
          Yes, when you often repeat the above, you increasingly associate yourself with -

          Let’s better discuss the reasons that allowed corrupt brainless communists to dismember the USSR, putting an end to the construction of communism in a single country. smile
        2. Babr
          Babr 14 September 2015 08: 00
          +14
          Every time I read, to which I give a damn about how amazed. How the right thoughts and absolute misunderstanding fit into a person.
          Which communists? The Communists of Stalin? The communists of Trotsky? Or the communists of the Tagged?
          The word is one, but the meaning and goals are different.
          No need to generalize and find mutual understanding
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 15 September 2015 05: 54
            0
            Quote: Babr
            Which communists? The Communists of Stalin? The communists of Trotsky? Or the communists of the Tagged?

            Why is it incomprehensible? There are Christians. Their different dime a dozen. And Baptists, and Anglicans, and Protestants, and Catholics, and Orthodox / Orthodox, and Amish, and Jehovah's Witnesses, and Adventists ... So they are all Christians.
            It is clear that Stalin was rebuilding the state destroyed by the revolution. But under him there were Trotskyists who interfered with him and harmed our people. They all spoke correct revolutionary words, etc., etc. And what, each time I have to explain all this?

            Quote: Babr
            The word is one, but the meaning and goals are different.

            It’s not a question, let’s decide HOW to distinguish one communist from another in the presence of the same attribute - a party card. No party membership card - no communist. They accepted into the party, issued a party card - a communist was born.

            Like the Christians - he put on a cross, he went through the baptism procedure - a Christian, although in fact he may turn out to be a Satanist.
      3. kotvov
        kotvov 14 September 2015 10: 35
        +6
        And I will repeat it, as long as there are those who do not understand this. ,,
        and do you think this will help? this is such propaganda — you don’t believe what you see, you believe what I’m saying. Just explain to whom the Central Bank works? It seems to me that it serves the interests of the same oligarchs. However, some said that they fully support his work.
        1. Babr
          Babr 14 September 2015 11: 38
          +7
          Quote: kotvov
          just explain to whom the Central Bank works?

          With this question, I first encountered one of the speeches of E. Fedorov.
          It seemed frank nonsense. How so? There is a king, there is a state, but the treasury does not belong to him. There can’t be faith to one person. Therefore, I rummaged through the Internet and came to the conclusion that the Central Bank is one of the branches of the Fed. It was a long time ago, now probably the rookie IN, knows about it.
          One could have done even easier by reading the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the charter of the Central Bank.
          But unfortunately we think first with hindsight, and then with our heads.
          But so, in a roundabout way, I came to this.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 14 September 2015 15: 45
            +2
            Quote: Babr
            One could have done even easier by reading the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the charter of the Central Bank.


            Exactly ... I was tormented, I was looking, but it lay before my eyes ...

            Once I became interested in these fad articles, I read this way and that ... I thought that I was misunderstanding something: how could this be written, approved and put into practice ???

            Now I’m already interested in a completely different question: And how long will IT (the mockery of the US Federal Reserve's additional office over the Russian economy and financial system) continue to go on ??? ...

            I haven’t found an answer yet ... Victor, can’t you help me find it, or is it in some strange way ???
            1. Babr
              Babr 15 September 2015 00: 59
              +2
              Mind on raskoryaku. Let's say the Fed is the USA. The Central Bank is the FRS. USA with all of NATO, a potential enemy of Russia. It would seem simpler, blocked financial
              flows and take the enemy warm. But no, some kind of mosquito bites in the form of sanctions. But then the Fed is not the United States. It is only a pawn in someone's game.
              But Russia turns out to be the same pawn. There is something to think about. Much must be folded to see the mosaic (truth). And so, a kaleidoscope. I turned it here, one picture, turned it here, another.
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 15 September 2015 11: 50
                +1
                Quote: Babr
                And so, a kaleidoscope.Twisted here, one picture, twisted here, another.


                In childhood, I really liked the kaleidoscope ... But in old age, and even on the example of the country in which you live - well, it’s very annoying ...

                Especially when you do not understand the technology of folding these puzzles ...
        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 15 September 2015 06: 35
          0
          Quote: kotvov
          I think he serves the interests of the same oligarchs. However, some said they fully support his work.

          Quote: Omar Khayyam
          All that we see is only one visibility.
          Far from the surface of the sea to the bottom.
          Consider inconsequential manifest in the world,
          For the secret essence of things is not visible.


          You should immediately try to learn the fundamental fact of being: "Everything is not arranged quite the way we are used to thinking. More precisely, not at all, sometimes exactly the opposite to the usual opinions and views.".
      4. alicante11
        alicante11 14 September 2015 11: 14
        +7
        "Destroyed the USSR in 1991, corrupt brainless communists


        They are the same communists as you are a ballerina.
      5. sherp2015
        sherp2015 14 September 2015 14: 57
        +4
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
         Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money.


        And grannies in Russian villages who are stoked with wood and hauled water in buckets for hell knows how many meters, have they really not deserved a better life?
      6. MrK
        MrK 14 September 2015 19: 42
        +4
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        And I will repeat it, as long as there are those who do not understand this

        And I will repeat to you. To the one who works like a damn thing. This indicates the availability of money in 20% of the population. Why don’t you remember about 23 million Russian citizens living below the poverty line, Why don’t you remember that Russians cannot pay 3,5 banks trillion rubles. What is destroyed secondary and higher education. My granddaughter and all her classmates, a teacher (I can not say otherwise) in English said: hire tutors. According to the program in the lessons, do not learn the language and do not pass the exam.
        That there seems to be a lot of housing being built, looking at advertisements, but 22% is less than in the RSFSR.
        That only 11% of the country's population can participate in a mortgage.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 14 September 2015 11: 13
      0
      A thief should sit in jail!


      That's well said. Vysotsky is clever. But let's admit it ourselves. how many "years" we "stole" in life. How many times were bribes given to traffic cops? How many times have simply "crossed the solid", or drove behind the wheel after a glass or two, I'm not drunk, after all, I just drank. How many times did they give "bribes" to teachers during their studies? And have you never "visited" officials with an envelope or "from friends"? And these are only two areas of "illegal activity".
      So you need to understand the relativity of the concept of "thief".
      1. Babr
        Babr 14 September 2015 11: 52
        +2
        Quote: alicante11
        So you need to understand the relativity of the concept of "thief".

        Everyone can remember that he has a stigma in the cannon. And keep silent in a chopper.
        It turns out mutual responsibility? And where is the way out?
        Put in leadership positions ideological (in this sense) people?
        And ideology under the Constitution is prohibited. what
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 14 September 2015 13: 30
          +3
          It turns out mutual responsibility? And where is the way out?


          To minimize damage from violations, to nullify the possibility itself.
          And it is difficult to find "ideological" ones. And they have another drawback. They may not even take advantage of the situation to benefit the cause. It's not ethical.
          1. Babr
            Babr 14 September 2015 14: 53
            +2
            Quote: alicante11
            And it is difficult to find "ideological" ones.

            Даже если и найдутся места им не предоставят.


            Quote: alicante11
            Minimize damage from violations, nullify the very possibility

            Again the question. Who will do this?
            Authorities? Do they need this? They themselves are from this cohort.
            There is only one way out. Change the concept. From unfair to fair.
            How? But that is another question.
        2. Svetlana
          Svetlana 14 September 2015 15: 14
          +9
          Quote: Babr
          It turns out mutual responsibility? And where is the way out?
          Put in leadership positions ideological (in this sense) people?
          And ideology under the Constitution is prohibited.

          You yourself answered your own question. The first thing that we have to change is the Constitution. It should be popular, not anti-popular, as it is now. The second is the adoption of an ideology aimed at creating a better life for the people. And the third is to put on key posts people who are committed to this ideology.
          1. Babr
            Babr 14 September 2015 15: 47
            +1
            Well, probably, the primary thing is to remember the ideology. The rest will follow by itself.
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 14 September 2015 15: 05
        +5
        Quote: alicante11
        How many times did they give "bribes" to teachers during their studies? Have you ever "visited" officials with an envelope or "from friends"?

        По-вашему, в воровстве, казнокрадстве и взяточничестве виноваты те, кто дает взятки и позволяет ворам воровать? Значит, люди, которых ограбили, пока они были в отпуске, виноваты в этом сами, плохую систему защиты сделали? Или слишком красивые и дорогие кованые решетки на окна поставили, чтоб привлекать внимание грабителей? С такой постановкой вопроса не соглашусь. Созданная ворами воровская система заставляет воровать всех. Вот эту систему и нужно менять, а воров сажать в тюрьмы. Система должна строиться на иных принципах, опираться на силу нравственности честных и порядочных людей. А не на круговой поруке воров.
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 14 September 2015 12: 48
      +3
      Quote: fa2998
      Thanks Vova!

      Sit down Andryusha. wink
  6. ovod84
    ovod84 14 September 2015 06: 05
    -22
    не думаю ,что усманова так надо критиковать .Он один самых эфективных олигархов ,не то что сечины ,Прохоров и Абрамович
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 September 2015 08: 09
      +9
      What did he build?
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 14 September 2015 10: 17
        +5
        Rhythmic gymnastics. laughing
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 14 September 2015 12: 54
          +4
          Quote: KBR109
          Rhythmic gymnastics.

          No. He married her.
  7. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 14 September 2015 06: 06
    -11
    Good Putin, bad Putin. The theme is endless.
    And the answer is very simple - the situation in the country in the 90s, and the situation before the imposition of sanctions.
    If compare impartially, then the conclusion is unambiguous.
    Putin is an absolutely patriotic person, the smartest, owning the situation, relying on some kind of strong analytical group, which helps him to develop solutions in which he is several steps ahead of Russia's enemies.
    But most importantly, he relies on the people. The people support him so much that if today the GDP orders the fifth column and corrupt officials to be transplanted without trial, the people will not object.
    Is there a "brilliant plan of Putin"? Yes there is! And the proof of this is the consistent crawling of the country out of the ass into which the liberals brought it down.
    Remember Deripaska's interviews titled "Utilization of Russia" in 2006 and the same Deripaska in Pikalevo in 2009.
    Oligarchs are forced to become patriots. This is a long and complicated process, but it is ongoing.
    And for those who repeat like a parrot the chatter of enemies about Putin’s countless wealth, I want to ask - Do you know how much money your wife has in stash? Is Putin worse than she knows how to keep her secrets?
    Well, the oligarchs are an integral part of the capitalist formation. Another thing is that they need to be limited.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 06: 12
      -13
      Quote: armored optimist
      Oligarchs are forced to become patriots. This is a long and complicated process, but it is ongoing.

      Moreover, it goes without blood and revolutions with civil wars.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 14 September 2015 11: 17
        +5
        Moreover, it goes without blood and revolutions with civil wars.


        In the Donbass - GV? Or Maidan-this is not a revolution? Or are there not ours, not Russian people?
      2. MrK
        MrK 14 September 2015 19: 47
        +4
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Moreover, it goes without blood and revolutions with civil wars.

        And 12 million Russian young men who died from hopelessness from 95 to 2005 does not count?
    2. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 14 September 2015 07: 25
      +19
      Путин на народ не опирается. Он ему безразличен. Путин, как человек из "органов", всегда был подвержен общности чего-то узко-закрытого, кланового, тайного, чего-то небольшого и управляемого. Для него широкие массы народа-это не движущая сила и опора для действий при преобразовании страны, а просто серая масса, среди которой он может "спрятать" тех, кто ему нужен.
      1. samuil60
        samuil60 14 September 2015 07: 47
        +7
        You can carefully ask the Monster: "And in which country of the world was the ruling elite guided by the" interests of the people ", eh? Well, who in adulthood believes in such fables? At best, this very" top "is guided by the geopolitical interests of the state, at worst - by the interests of And all the stories about good uncles who fought for power and came to it so that the "common people" live better should be left in childhood. No social system (absolutely without exception) is not created for the happiness and prosperity of many, it is created for prosperity of one and the same stratum of society, one nation, which, for some reason, is not accepted to be called out loud. And all the slogans are just a shake of air for the naive.
        1. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 14 September 2015 08: 45
          +13
          Quote: samuil60
          . No social system (absolutely without exception) is created for the happiness and prosperity of many, it is created for the prosperity of the same stratum of society, one nation, which, for some reason, is not accepted to be called out loud. AND

          Well, you can recall the interest of Libya Muammar Gaddafi, there are other countries
        2. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 14 September 2015 09: 40
          +4
          And, I do not "reproach" the President, I am simply explaining to the "patriots-populists" why, the President does not "lean on the people."
          1. MrK
            MrK 15 September 2015 00: 33
            +1
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            And in which country of the world was the ruling elite guided by the "interests of the people", huh?

            I will answer - in the USSR before Khrushchev came to power.
    3. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 14 September 2015 08: 04
      +16
      What's his "plan"? Good PR and nothing more. Everything is done in such a way as to create an imitation of violent activity. Vaska the cat listens and eats. He eats the national property, created and mastered by generations, and will not choke after all. Everyone is now bringing down the EBNa-how much has slammed the real sector of the economy. GDP has long gone ahead. Entire regions eke out a miserable state. People leave for the delight of the Chinese and others like them.
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    5. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 14 September 2015 08: 41
      -4
      Those who do not agree with these considerations are divided into two parts.
      1. Conscious enemies who need to blow up the country and fill it with blood. There is nothing to talk about with them.
      2. Good, kind, patriotic people, orthodox, who with the best intentions: "a thief must go to jail" at any cost, having power, would achieve the same result.
      So I want to say - Putin is doing everything smoothly, steps are not always obvious and understandable to us for the inhabitants, and to start a general landing is to provoke unrest in the country up to a civil war. Is this what you are calling for? God forbid! Nuclear, chemical and bacteriological weapons would be in use. We would then still envy the "peace and well-being" of the urkaina. But the main thing is that as a result, even more arrogant and cruel people would come to power, like those of the kaklov.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 08: 59
        -3
        Quote: armored optimist
        1. Conscious enemies who need to blow up the country and fill it with blood. There is nothing to talk about with them.

        You still need to talk, you look and convince.

        Quote: armored optimist
        2. Good, kind, patriotic people, orthodox, who with the best intentions: "a thief must go to jail" at any cost, having power, would achieve the same result.

        They also need to explain that there are reasons and consequences, that if the USSR had not been divided up in 1991, they would have no reason to be indignant with the current leadership of Russia.

        Quote: armored optimist
        Are you calling for this?

        Well, they don’t understand ... they would have a sword with a saber, but on a dashing horse under enemy bullets.
    6. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 September 2015 10: 25
      +6
      what if today GDP orders to transplant
      he will not order.
      Remember the story with the grandmother who allegedly stole the butter. who was punished?
      will anyone be punished for this? not only the one who hit the grandmother. but also the cops who refused to initiate proceedings.
    7. kotvov
      kotvov 14 September 2015 10: 38
      +10
      The people support him so much that if today the GDP orders the fifth column and corrupt officials to be transplanted without trial, the people will not object.,
      and you think he will give such an order? Well, you cannot forbid being naive.
      1. MrK
        MrK 15 September 2015 00: 42
        0
        Quote: kotvov
        and you think he will give such an order?

        Согласен. Ведь придется сажать тех, кто его выдвинул во власть и своих друзей. And then, perhaps, such a compromise will come out that mother does not grieve.
    8. anderles66
      anderles66 14 September 2015 13: 41
      0
      Here's another thing. I've been living for a long time. Including I found several general secretaries. If we add local authorities, then I see that there will always be those who have done nothing sensible in their lives, but always know that a person in power is a scoundrel, a scoundrel and a thief. Moreover, any next one will also be a villain and a thief. And all the previous ones are scoundrels and thieves. And this "analyteg" has listened to another custom-made chatterbox "with facts" and considers himself, at least, not more stupid. And the more worthless a person is, the higher his own status in himself. I will add - I'm not interested in my rating. Absolutely.
    9. Svetlana
      Svetlana 14 September 2015 15: 18
      +4
      Quote: armored optimist
      Oligarchs are forced to become patriots.

      Oh, miserable. I even feel sorry for them somehow. Probably, it is as hard as an adult cat, who is used to writing on the street and doing everything else there, accustoming him to living in an apartment, and to a tray with a filler.
    10. skifd
      skifd 14 September 2015 16: 30
      -1
      Quote: armored optimist
      Good Putin, bad Putin. The theme is endless.


      Article cheap populism. Gum . The goal is to excite. Those who do not understand this can refine themselves in comments, slap each other +/-, scratching their sore forehead. I do not have a temperature.

      Well, punch me laughing hi !
  8. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 14 September 2015 06: 18
    +14
    Хочется надеяться, что доклад Глазьева пойдет в жизнь !
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 September 2015 06: 33
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Hopefully, the Glazyev’s report will come to life!

      I apologize, have you read the report yourself?
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 14 September 2015 10: 57
        +7
        Read. Are you apparently from the alligarchs?
        1. I doubt it
          I doubt it 14 September 2015 12: 11
          +4
          There is no alligarch. Alligarchs of VO do not read.
          Rather, from the cheburashka they pay.
          And for grandmothers, he is ready to explain to you why the Glazyev’s plan is so bad. In the end, this is his work, Cheburashkin.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 16 September 2015 01: 39
          0
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Was reading.

          And 5 paragraph do you support?
  9. Tatarname
    Tatarname 14 September 2015 06: 23
    +1
    The creation of oligarchs, the natural process of the development of capitalism. This is a purposeful policy of the Russian leadership - to create and feed its own stratum of "Rockefellers" and "Rothschilds". And we're not going anywhere from this.
  10. Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 September 2015 06: 24
    +7
    Pancake. The campaign doesn’t understand that Putin try to touch the oligarchs and tomorrow he will simply be swept away with the Kremlin. America is exactly the same oligarchs rule who prefer to transfer production to Asia and leave their workers without work. Try to arrange the 37 year, so these oligarchs themselves will invite NATO troops to Moscow to take control of the country for a small share. So it’s not yet possible, while we need to prepare for war.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 14 September 2015 06: 33
      +8
      tomorrow he will simply be swept away with the Kremlin.

      Let me ask who specifically will sweep away, and even with the Kremlin. A bunch of liberal traitors will gather several thousand people. and go to the Kremlin? So they are revolutionaries only in social networks. Only the army is capable of this, and it trusts the GDP.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 14 September 2015 09: 22
        +10
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Let me ask who specifically will sweep away, and even with the Kremlin.

        Is Ukraine an example for you? Or say that the oligarchs there have nothing to do with the Maidan?
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 14 September 2015 11: 23
        +3
        Let me ask who specifically will sweep away, and even with the Kremlin.


        Yes, you will. They will explain to you on the Web that VVP is a "radish", since Sobchak's times it has stolen a bunch of money for itself, and now it has coveted the sacred - "the law", began to plant without trial and on invented charges. And therefore the "get out gang". Well, by the way, even if you can't get off the couch, there will be enough beloletochniks, and banderlog from dill with the simultaneous complete transformation of riot police into "Berkut".
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 14 September 2015 13: 03
      +8
      Quote: Zomanus
      The campaign doesn’t understand that Putin try to touch the oligarchs and tomorrow he will simply be swept away with the Kremlin.

      You sectarians will understand. Either Putin is the diabolically powerful politician No. 1, then a petty functionary whom any moneybags can throw out of the Kremlin.
      Quote: Zomanus
      So it’s not yet possible

      Ждете когда Путин в развалину превратится?
  11. Doctor Savage
    Doctor Savage 14 September 2015 06: 26
    +4
    What "changes-for-the-better ??!
    When in the BOSKS of the vast majority - rot is sown.
  12. prostorabochiy
    prostorabochiy 14 September 2015 06: 27
    +2
    metallurgical plant, which previously fed the entire Stary Oskol and Belgorod region

    It is not at all a fact that in Soviet times cities were fed by any kind of combines, etc. enterprises. Then everyone was fed from the state. And where did what comes from the treasury, few people know. Few enterprises in the Russian Far East were originally planned as competitive. To a greater extent, they had social significance.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 14 September 2015 07: 02
      +17
      Quote: prostorabochiy
      It is not at all a fact that in Soviet times cities were fed by any kind of combines, etc. enterprises.

      This is a fact, and not advertising, the city-forming enterprise contained a certain part of the city social network, such as kindergartens, dispensaries, were the bosses in schools, that is, they supplied schools with the necessary equipment, machines in workshops, etc.
  13. fa2998
    fa2998 14 September 2015 06: 28
    +16
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    under Putin, the people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay

    Вы своими словами оскорбляете меня и тысячи людей в нашем городе.Ума у нас нет,чтобы не переплачивать!У нас(и практически у всех знакомых)-ВСЕ,ЧТО ИМЕЕТСЯ В ДОМЕ-КУПЛЕНО В КРЕДИТ.Дети растут,а зарплата в городе-пр.10 тыс.Максимальное,что можем оторвать из семейного бюджета-2-3 тыс на кредит.Ума хватает не лезть в шаражки типа "деньги сразу",а многие залезли.Таких контор в городе-тьма!Еще раз- спасибо Вова! hi
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 14 September 2015 06: 43
      +1
      Yes, he’s like a member of EdRa or ONF or some other pro-government office.
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 06: 45
      -8
      Quote: fa2998
      We don’t have a mind, so as not to overpay! With us (and practically with all our friends) -Everything that is in the house is bought on credit.

      So again.
      If you Enough money to BUY With PE-PE-PLA-TOY, i.e. EXPENSIVE!!!, then you have NO MINDTo LIVE BY MEANS and you YOURSELF PERFORM YOURSELF IN DEBT.

      Besides. Loans REDUCE effective demand by the amount of interest accrued on the loan. That is, a car costs 500 tyrov, you buy it on a loan for 750 tyrov, you pay 250 tyrov to the bank because you "it is direct strongly unbearable that it is urgent urgently urgently to buy it". 250 tyrov, this is the amount that you voluntarily give to the bank, deprive myself of the refrigerator, vacuum cleaner" and more, more, more, something else. "
      So it turns out that it’s you yourself who, acting on advertising tricks, do it yourself ... by whom? wink

      Here it is clearly shown about you.


      By the way, in the USA, household debts exceed income by 25-30%. You are not alone in the universe. wink laughing
      1. GOgaRu
        GOgaRu 14 September 2015 07: 36
        +7
        By the way, in the USA, household debts exceed income by 25-30%. You are not alone in the universe.

        So they, when they print bucks, transfer these debts to the world economy. When you, for example, change rubles into dollars in a bank, you transfer part of the debt burden of the American household to yourself.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 14 September 2015 11: 30
        +3
        If you ENOUGH money to BUY WITH PE-PE-PLA-TOY, that is, EXPENSIVE !!!, then you DO NOT have MIND to live BY MEANS and you YOU drive YOURSELF into DEBTS.


        On the one hand, you are right. And on principle, I swore not to take loans. But on the other hand, such large purchases as a car or an apartment are available to many ONLY on credit. Because for 20 years, renting a house for an apartment cannot be saved. And you will save for a car for more than one year. And now they are offering clothes and shoes on credit. And even get the child to school. So far we are collecting one - we are coping, but I don’t know how to collect secondary school for next year and “not change the principles”. I don’t even want to think about studying a third.
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 14 September 2015 16: 25
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      Mind is not enough not to climb into the little jerks like "money at once", and many climbed. Such offices in the city-darkness!



      By the way, now some smart huckster traders, especially furniture or consumer electronics, made installments from 3 to 6 months, without any interest, as in the old Soviet times ... Although I understand that everything is included in the price, however, it’s still easier and simpler ...
  14. 31rus
    31rus 14 September 2015 06: 35
    +4
    Putin is undeniably a strong, strong personality, but alas dependent and cannot be fixed, only the election of another president (and it is unlikely that it will be independent), other forces are needed that can turn the tide (preferably peacefully), only on the horizon they are not visible
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 07: 02
      0
      Quote: 31rus
      but alas dependent

      I’ll tell you a secret, only Mowgli was independent, but he couldn’t even speak. that’s the trouble.
      You, too, are 100% dependent on society. We are all dependent on each other, as if the liberals did not try to convince us otherwise.
      And our task, if not help the leadership of Russia, then at least do not bother him work for the good of our country.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 September 2015 10: 51
        +7
        like liberals
        help the leadership of Russia
        Are you really sure that this is not the same thing?
      2. anderles66
        anderles66 14 September 2015 13: 52
        0
        And then, to be absolutely accurate - at first he was dependent on the she-wolf, then on Bagira and Balu. And without Kaa, he would have become a banderlog at all. I fully support your position!
      3. MrK
        MrK 15 September 2015 00: 47
        0
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        And our task, if not to help the leadership of Russia, then at least not to prevent it from working for the good of our country.

        And do not interfere with ruining her further.
        Russia is dying slowly and painlessly, under television anesthesia, without regaining consciousness - said, reveling in a pig state, one adviser to the president of the Russian Federation (he was deprived of a pass to the Kremlin for this)
  15. horoh
    horoh 14 September 2015 06: 48
    +13
    Socialism must be returned; there are no other options.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 06: 52
      -7
      Quote: horoh
      Socialism must be returned; there are no other options.

      The result of socialism is disappointing. Capitalism ends. A new model for the development of society has not yet been invented.
      Our country has a wonderful experience of zemstvos.



      The question is goal setting.
      1. Shurale
        Shurale 14 September 2015 08: 09
        +10
        Capitalism does not end - it mutates, but does not change its essence ....
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 14 September 2015 16: 30
      +5
      Quote: horoh
      Socialism must be returned; there are no other options.



      We lived, lived a quarter of a century, and finally it dawned: Brothers, it was great in the USSR !!!

      Hmm, as I recall, they tried to call Brezhnev’s time a swamp and stagnation ... Yes, I’ll be happy to return there at least this minute than live in a democracy free from everything, and above all - free from obligations to the people !!!
      1. MrK
        MrK 15 September 2015 00: 56
        +4
        Thanks veksha50. I completely agree. But I’ll supplement it with lines from Courlandchik (this book is now on hearing):
        It is already clear now that the current socio-economic system must be replaced, which is really cunning, by a socialist one. Of course, with a rethinking of the already existing experience of realistically existing socialism, taking into account the former pluses and minuses. And, of course, not on the EQUITY COMMUNISM of Khrushchev and Brezhnev. After all, all their Western “democratic values” are just super-profitable, for a narrow circle of people, business with dividends.
        Возражения, что социализм уже был и капитализму проиграл, не принимаются. Потому что, во-первых МЫ ЖИЛИ НЕ ПРИ СОЦИАЛИЗМЕ, А ПРИ УРАВНИТЕЛЬНОМ КОММУНИЗМЕ. А во-вторых, когда-то лошади обгоняли автомобили, а паровозы обгоняли самолеты, но чем эти состязания закончились, все знают.
        Automobiles and airplanes had a development potential, and for horses and steam locomotives it was exhausted. A similar situation is now: capitalism has exhausted its potential, but socialism, I am convinced of this, is not.
        My dears, understand the simple thing - for the existence of modern capitalism it is absolutely essential that people buy something all the time, even not at all necessary to them. Otherwise, the economy will stop.
        Capitalism has already gained such momentum that further acceleration of the “buy-throw-buy-throw away” cycle is no longer possible. Therefore, capitalism is the end.
        If the economy becomes planned, there will be no need for overconsumption.
        Many products and services invented to satisfy imaginary needs will become unnecessary. It will become unnecessary to constantly change still suitable things for new ones. Things will be done as in the good old days - reliable and durable. Indeed, in a planned economy, goods are produced NOT FOR PROFIT, but to meet the needs of people.
  16. fa2998
    fa2998 14 September 2015 07: 16
    +16
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    So again.
    If you have enough money to BUY WITH PE-PE-PLA-TOY, that is, EXPENSIVE !!!, then you have NO MIND,

    So once again, if at our construction site they would pay 20 thousand, I would buy a tablet for children for 8 thousand at once. And so "crazy" - I bought it in six months for 9. If not, buy nothing! incomes of the population, the opportunity to earn money for banks! And who approves the laws? Thank you Vova! hi PC-and it will not be possible to convince me, what can you do, "crazy."
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 07: 37
      -5
      Quote: fa2998
      I would buy a tablet for children for 8 thousand, I would immediately

      Just take a word, computers DECLINE, no matter how you think the opposite.
      Quote: http: //kpe.com.ua/9-glavnyj-razdel/2221-chto-pobuzhdaet-sotrudnikov-silikonovoj-
      % 20doliny-vybirat-dlya-svoikh-detej-shkoly-bez-kompyuterov.html
      Employees of the giants of Silicon Valley: eBay, Apple, Hewlett-Packard, Google educate their children in a school where there are no computers.

      Tablets and other smartphones, these are PONTS in the vast majority of cases.

      Quote: fa2998
      Poor incomes of the population - an opportunity to earn money for banks!

      Our challenge nationalize the banking systemstarting with the Central Bank, bosom, strategic industriesincluding energy and transport. Вернуть монополию государства на внешнюю торговлю, запретить свободное движение капитала через границу. Вернуть монополию государства на производство и торговлю алкоголем и табаком с постепенным сокращением их оборота до нуля.
      Welcome http://referendumrusnod.ru/

      Quote: fa2998
      And who approves laws in our country ?! Thanks Vova!

      By law, the President of the Russian Federation MUST sign either a ten-day period or send a reasoned refusal to the Duma. If the Duma rejects the refusal of the Presidency, it is obliged to sign the Law unconditionally.

      Quote: fa2998
      PC-and it will not be possible to convince me, what can you do, "crazy."

      There were such mathematicians Lobachevsky and Riemann, so they created a geometry different from Euclidean without a PC ... Without a PC they flew into space, without GPS they made great geographical discoveries.

      PS And still look at "99 francs".
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 14 September 2015 08: 19
        +6
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Our task is to nationalize the banking system, starting with the Central Bank, mineral resources, strategic industries, including energy and transport. Return the state’s monopoly on foreign trade, prohibit the free movement of capital across the border. Return the state monopoly on the production and trade of alcohol and tobacco with a gradual reduction in their turnover to zero.



        And why haven’t you nationalized it yet, if this is YOUR TASK?
        What are you stomping around for the second decade now and still have not transplanted your oligarchs and did not return illegally grabbed into the country?
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 08: 22
          -4
          Quote: sherp2015
          What are you stomping around for the second decade now and still have not transplanted your oligarchs and did not return illegally grabbed into the country?

          Ask Zyuganov why his comrades dismembered the USSR in 1991. I would not have to conduct such conversations.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 14 September 2015 11: 35
            +7
            Ask Zyuganov why his comrades dismembered the USSR in 1991. I would not have to conduct such conversations.


            "Uncle Ziu" is a petty-bourgeois leader of a petty-bourgeois party.
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 14 September 2015 16: 51
              +3
              Quote: alicante11
              "Uncle Ziu" is a petty-bourgeois leader of a petty-bourgeois party.



              Even this is too loud ...
              So ... a mosquito supposedly sticking to the idea ...

              PS All the time I want to ask this "communist" a question: what money do you live on so well ???
          2. Svetlana
            Svetlana 14 September 2015 15: 35
            +3
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Ask Zyuganov why his comrades dismembered the USSR in 1991.

            Oh, you forgot the "brainless corrupt communists"! Renting something.
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 14 September 2015 16: 47
        +2
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Just take a word, computers DECLINE, no matter how you think the opposite.



        Here I read your comments, and I wonder: at first it seemed to be sound thinking ... Then, in a dispute, they inflamed and ... And Ostap suffered ...

        Computers numb ???
        I, old grandfather with two higher educations (Soviet !!!), used to work with a slide rule and draw drawings on a paper using the drawing set itself ... Then there weren’t even calculators ... And now I use PC with pleasure , I read on the e-book, although I had to get used to it ... And - believe me - I’m not dumb ... Or does it, unlike you, just seem to me ???

        Computers numb ??? The Internet is an abomination ???

        And say it first of all to your child ...
        And how modern as a student, and a student without a PC will now cost ???
        The Internet is an abomination ??? So he, like a stick, is about two ends ... Smart will find where to go and what information to get ... Crazy and without a PC or Internet he will find a poop to enter into it ...

        Then a table knife, and a fork, and a pencil-pen, and anything can be considered not cutlery and stationery, but murder weapons ... They are easy, you can kill in a second ... Maybe they should not be used ???

        Do not overdo it, you do not need this ... You yourself have already lost the thread that you clung to, trying to prove ... And what to prove then ??? Do not forget yet ???

        PS By the way, I didn’t put a single minus to you, so there’s nothing to be angry at me ... Just accept the information for consideration ...
    2. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 14 September 2015 07: 40
      +2
      Quote: fa2998
      Thanks Vova!


      Why not Misha and Borya ?!
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 07: 46
        -9
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Why not Misha and Borya ?!

        Quote: I suppose therefore:
        A poem about Putin.

        Behind the window rain and hail.
        This is Putin's fault!
        Cat threw kittens -
        Putin is to blame
        The hostess threw the bait -
        Guilty Guess!
        Here ends the board
        At the unfortunate goby,
        Our Tanya is crying loudly -
        Near Putin, not otherwise!
        The light went out, the fence fell,
        The car stalled motor
        Healthy tooth removed
        Ile climbed into the apartment thief
        Did not like the movie,
        You have come to shit ...
        Any cataclysm
        The explanation is one ...
        Every democrat knows
        This is Putin's fault!
        Who yesterday in my porch
        Elevator to the ceiling?
        Believe me, comrades
        This is Putin's hand!
        I caught a drunk "squirrel" -
        This is Putin's tricks!
        A pile of shit under the table.
        This is Putin's fault!
        The toilet is clogged -
        This is Putin’s order,
        Threw gobies there,
        He drained the water - and he was like that!
        At night, lingerie steals,
        Glasses in our house beats.
        Drunk in the yard dancing.
        This is Putin - a riffraff!
        No salvation from the villain!
        Mat writes on the walls,
        Broke bushes in the alley.
        This is Putin - oh and oh!
        Liberala wet the rain -
        Putin laughs cheerfully.
        Flooded your cottage? -
        This is Putin, not otherwise!
        Did you find a thunderstorm along the way? -
        That got the Kremlin hand.
        Cold, wind, snow -
        Putin is to blame again.
        Blowing down a hurricane? -
        This is Putin taking revenge on the rams.
        Storm, tsunami, flood? -
        This is Putin, no doubt!
        Rainfall, landslide, cyclone -
        Of course he is to blame
        Sel, avalanche, rockfall? -
        Clear: Putin is to blame!
        Tornado, typhoon, earthquake -
        There is no escape from Putin!
        A crow pecked at the crown? -
        This is a young friend of the riot police.
        Bees, wasps sting you? -
        This is Putin SpetsNaz.
        See this bumblebee? -
        He is in the service of the Kremlin!
        If you believe in that -
        This is just paranoia!
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 14 September 2015 13: 06
          +5
          The sun has risen from the clouds
          This is Putin. He is powerful.
      2. kotvov
        kotvov 14 September 2015 10: 47
        +4
        Why not Misha and Borya ?!
        and you just count the years of taxiing the Misha with the Northwind, and Vova.
        1. B.T.V.
          B.T.V. 14 September 2015 13: 19
          0
          Quote: kotvov
          and you just count the years of taxiing the Misha with the Northwind, and Vova.


          There is a saying among the people: "to break, not to build." Count how much was destroyed under Misha and Borya. "Soon, only fairy tales tell, and not the deed is done." I am not a "confused", as it is now fashionable to hang a label, but to blame one person for all the sins, it is so honest and human.
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 14 September 2015 15: 38
            +6
            Quote: B.T.W.
            "Soon, only fairy tales will tell, and not work is done"

            There were times when for 15 years the country from complete devastation turned into a powerful industrial power. And this is not a fairy tale.
            1. B.T.V.
              B.T.V. 14 September 2015 16: 23
              0
              Quote: Svetlana
              There were times when for 15 years the country from complete devastation turned into a powerful industrial power. And this is not a fairy tale.


              The fact that now "the wrong time" lies entirely with Putin ?!
              1. MrK
                MrK 15 September 2015 01: 04
                +2
                Quote: B.T.W.
                The fact that now "the wrong time" lies entirely with Putin ?!

                And on whom?
          2. MrK
            MrK 15 September 2015 01: 03
            +1
            Quote: B.T.W.
            blaming one person for all the sins, it’s so honest and human.

            It seems to me that looking at the business of any leader is quite simple - from a reasonable practical idea - to the benefit. It was good for the communists to use it! Not - or not - let them go! So it is with Putin.
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 14 September 2015 16: 53
        +1
        Quote: B.T.W.

        Why not Misha and Borya ?!



        Well, as in a conversation - the last phrase or word is remembered ...

        Well, that’s in the series of presidents - Putin is still extreme ... in every sense ...
  17. GOgaRu
    GOgaRu 14 September 2015 07: 17
    +6
    Question: why did he retire from this ungracious horde, but not remove it from the face of his native land?

    Who said that he retired? He himself is an oligarch, an oligarch king.
    1. GOgaRu
      GOgaRu 14 September 2015 08: 15
      +10
      Let me give you an example for minus people. Let us take Wikipedia: "Oligarchy is a political regime in which power is concentrated in the hands of a relatively small group of citizens (for example, representatives of large monopolized capital) and rather serves their personal and group interests, rather than the interests of all citizens."
      Attention question! Who has the greatest political power in Russia?
      1. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 14 September 2015 08: 46
        +5
        Quote: GOgaRu
        Who has the greatest political power in Russia?

        Oil and gas group
        1. GOgaRu
          GOgaRu 14 September 2015 09: 37
          +4
          Oil and gas group

          Well, if you take an individual, I think that it will be the President of the Russian Federation.
  18. B- 3ACADE
    B- 3ACADE 14 September 2015 07: 46
    -1
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Путин на народ не опирается. Он ему безразличен. Путин, как человек из "органов", всегда был подвержен общности чего-то узко-закрытого, кланового, тайного, чего-то небольшого и управляемого. Для него широкие массы народа-это не движущая сила и опора для действий при преобразовании страны, а просто серая масса, среди которой он может "спрятать" тех, кто ему нужен.

    I respect your opinion but do not accept. Categorically. Putin-Chekist and all mine
    KGB family. Unas does not exist in the deep drilling office.
    There are traitors who are far without them. But there are real patriots who are offended by the power. If you don’t see the results, this doesn’t mean that the process is not going on: our service is dangerous and difficult and at first glance it’s as if
    not visible .....
    health to you.
    1. GOgaRu
      GOgaRu 14 September 2015 08: 18
      +10
      our service is both dangerous and difficult and at first glance as if
      not visible .....

      Just visible: roll down.
      PS Chekist from the USA .... It's cool laughing
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 08: 20
        -8
        Quote: GOgaRu
        Just visible: roll down.

        That is, all the cars have earned from a bad life? laughing
        1. Doctor Savage
          Doctor Savage 14 September 2015 08: 31
          +12
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          That is, all the cars have earned from a bad life?


          Life is not the equivalent of consumerism.
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 08: 36
            -8
            Quote: Doctor Savage
            Life is not the equivalent of consumerism.

            Judging by consumer loans, this cannot be said. wink
            And not only with us. And not so much with us. There, Khazin said that at the international forum in Astana he said that in the US household incomes are less than debts by as much as 25-30%. And that the United States expects the economy to fall by 50-60%.
            And you say ...
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 14 September 2015 09: 09
              +11
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Judging by consumer loans, this cannot be said.

              The mentality however. I know many people living in a rented apartment, but a foreign car on credit. And you judge everything by cars.
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 09: 30
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And you judge everything by cars.

                Yes, yes ... My daughter and my husband live on a rental, but there are cars and went to Turkey and Egypt to rest. And they don’t want to understand that beyond the cities it’s quite possible to buy / build a house at the cost of a car.
                And in cars ... you won’t hide them.
            2. Doctor Savage
              Doctor Savage 16 September 2015 04: 12
              0
              Here, of course, semantics ....

              Many are no longer aware that LIFE is something more than income-expenses.
              And all kinds of havana.
              And tickling. And twitches.
        2. GOgaRu
          GOgaRu 14 September 2015 08: 40
          0
          That is, all the cars have earned from a bad life?

          Yes. Everyday stress, someone bites him, someone drinks, and someone does shopping on credit.
        3. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 14 September 2015 08: 50
          +3
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          That is, all the cars have earned from a bad life?

          Imagine, you need to invest somewhere so that they do not depreciate, that’s why they invested in cars, some in real estate, and someone took a loan from a bank before the collapse, then returned it, and for the remaining half Lexus bought it, and then sold at a price slightly lower than in the cabin :-)
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 14 September 2015 16: 57
        +2
        Quote: GOgaRu
        PSChekist from the USA .... It's cool



        The main thing is not for General Kalugin ...
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 14 September 2015 08: 23
      +6
      Quote: B- 3ACADE
      If you do not see the results, this does not mean that the process does not go.: Our service is both dangerous and difficult


      Вы до сих пор в засаде? Пора бы уже вылезти из кустов и вытащить все это олигархическое ворье за ухо наружу, вытрясти из них деньги на развитие страны, а кое с кого и душу...
      Кстати "не видите" и "не значит" пишется раздельно. )) Без обид...
    3. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 14 September 2015 08: 47
      +1
      Quote: B- 3ACADE
      our service is both dangerous and difficult and at first glance as if
      not visible .....

      you quote something to your sworn friends, as it is strange :-)
    4. Platon Mironov
      Platon Mironov 14 September 2015 09: 26
      +2
      Just like Putin: "The implementation went well!"
  19. B- 3ACADE
    B- 3ACADE 14 September 2015 07: 49
    +8
    Quote: horoh
    Socialism must be returned; there are no other options.

    I agree. But. Reasonably and without fanaticism.
  20. Platon Mironov
    Platon Mironov 14 September 2015 07: 56
    +5
    “One of the very prominent people said this:“ To everyone, to strangers - according to the law. ” I would like such a thesis, such an informal slogan to work in our country, ”Prime Minister Vladimir Rolgeizer addressed to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin during an extended meeting of the board of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

    “I completely agree with this thesis. Believe me, many of those present in the hall know that I am trying to put it into practice, ”Putin replied. However, the prime minister immediately made a slip: “But the question, of course, is who to consider our own.”
  21. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 14 September 2015 08: 04
    +4
    The article is topical and questions are raised.
    Himself tormented by vague doubts about the goals and plans of our president.
    But the fact that most, like me, do not completely trust him is a fact.
  22. Shurale
    Shurale 14 September 2015 08: 05
    +10
    На скока я знаю Путин ЗА олигархов и ЗА либералов , так как сам либерал , но так как в стране слово либерал находиться гдето рядом между дэрьмо и предатель то либералами у нас прилюдно назначают тех кто открыто выступает против Путина... И это мы америку и запад обвиняем в двойных стандартах ...
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 08: 13
      -2
      Quote: Shurale
      since the liberal himself

      And so?


      Standartenfuhrer SS also did not say that he was a colonel of Soviet intelligence. wink
      1. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 14 September 2015 08: 52
        +9
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Standartenfuhrer SS also did not say that he was a colonel of Soviet intelligence.

        a small nuance - The Standartenfuhrer SS was abroad, but whoever is at the helm of power at home, do you feel the difference?
  23. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 14 September 2015 08: 08
    +10
    В основном автор прав на данный момент сколотить такие состояния просто не реально это в 90-х на горе, крови и слёзах людей эти отморозки заработали эти бабки. А на данный момент Вся либерастня живёт за их счёт яркое тому подтверждение кудрин. К сожалению у власти сидят конченые либер-асты в идеале наложить на эту шоблу прогресивный налог. Но опять же они начнут грабить простой люд или с потрохами подкупать чиновников в общем ситуация патовая Единственный выход введение полной конфискации за воровство стяжательство и взяткодающих может что то и изменится но по моему у нынешней власти другие цели и задачи. А жаль.
  24. eyed
    eyed 14 September 2015 08: 21
    +7
    [quote = Plato Mironov] “One of the very prominent people said this:“ To his all, to strangers - according to the law. ” I would like such a thesis, such an informal slogan to work in our country, ”Prime Minister Vladimir Rolgeizer addressed to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin during an extended meeting of the board of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

    “I completely agree with this thesis. Believe me, many of those present in the hall know that I am trying to put it into practice, ”Putin replied. However, the prime minister immediately made a slip: “But the question, of course, is who to consider as our own.” [/ Qu
    Whom should you consider your own? And, really, who? And the answer: "And the one you need!" Equidistant already so equidistant that there was a queue to equidistant. And the guarantor needs a sidekick, if Th, who will help out? True, this is such a sidekick .... And the question is: if everything is ours, then what is it that is alien by law? After all, there is no fucking left? Who is this clever said? If this is a joke, then okay ...
    By law, we can have ordinary people, and even without the law they can be. But our own ... "We hear a lot of examples, so about them and ..." This is me, for example, the fables of Ivan Andreich ... And, by the way, Krylov can still be brought to many of our situevins. Well done Aesop and Andreyevich!
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 08: 27
      -7
      Quote: fake
      And the sidekick guarantee

      Not a sidekick, but CO-RATNIKA.

      You would have spent half a year in the 90s to acquire a landmark. Remember how the poor people in the 90s spent half a year without wages and did not tweet? How did the "brothers" ride in black jeeps with a firearm at the ready? ..
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 September 2015 12: 00
        +7
        to get a landmark
        Are you afraid to compare with the Soviet period?
        1. anderles66
          anderles66 14 September 2015 13: 57
          0
          I'm not afraid. Tell me about the Soviet period. It would be interesting.
  25. oracul
    oracul 14 September 2015 08: 39
    +2
    Большинство комментариев направлено против Путина, но все предъявы строятся на песке. Одни эмоции. Путин - либерал-рыночник. Он этого и не скрывает. Он отодвинул олигархов от прямого вмешательства в политическую жизнь страны. И, наивно, надеется, что ему удастся примирить их с народом. Он отдает предпочтение кадрам, не всегда профессиональным, но демонстрирующим лояльность ему, а значит и государству. А потому прощает ошибки, не умение работать - странным образом уверовав, что они научатся. Далеко не факт. Но даже, если научатся, то какую цену заплатит за это общество. Мне сие не нравится, но лучшего на подходе, пока, нет. Путин продукт эпохи со своими достоинствами и недостатками. И не надо делать из него кумира, но не надо превращать его и во врага.
    1. GOgaRu
      GOgaRu 14 September 2015 08: 49
      +2
      It’s time for Vladimir Vladimirovich to retire. At one time, he did a lot for the country. But in the present, he is stalling on the spot and is not the first year.
      1. Buffalo
        Buffalo 14 September 2015 14: 22
        +1
        Quote: GOgaRu
        It’s time for Vladimir Vladimirovich to retire. At one time, he did a lot for the country. But in the present, he is stalling on the spot and is not the first year.


        - Changed gypsy horses. Still a little - only one bridle would remain! The best is the enemy of the good. And at the crossing, horses do not change. Remember the beginning of the conflict with Georgia, in South Ossetia.
        Only Putin left for Beijing, and it began. And Medvedev was frankly confused, if not assuming otherwise, he sabotaged.
        1. MrK
          MrK 15 September 2015 01: 12
          +3
          Quote: Bison
          And at the crossing, horses do not change.

          But at the crossing they change donkeys.
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 14 September 2015 15: 45
        +1
        Quote: GOgaRu
        It’s time for Vladimir Vladimirovich to retire.

        Horses do not change at the crossing!
    2. Platon Mironov
      Platon Mironov 14 September 2015 09: 01
      +4
      "Putin is a liberal marketist." For some reason, I have always believed that a market economy is an economy based on competition in all spheres of society. In our society, unfortunately, I see only caste and nepotism in all spheres of life of modern society, the absence of competition (including in politics), which does not lead to business and constructive disputes on any issues related to the structure of the economic and socio-political life, but only the consolidation of their estate status and the maintenance and accumulation of wealth of the elite estates ... I did not negate you, because I think that each of us should have our own point of view, and this is competition ...
    3. MrK
      MrK 15 September 2015 01: 11
      0
      Thank you very much oracul. 100 +. Healthy hands-on look.
  26. Million
    Million 14 September 2015 08: 43
    +1
    Putin alone can’t do anything. He needs a team. And it is in the form of oligarchs, liberals, etc. He can’t get anywhere from them.
    1. eyed
      eyed 14 September 2015 08: 59
      +4
      Can I ask you a question? And who is in command in that team? I’ll answer it myself - obviously not Pu.
      And liberals and a hedgehog with them. Team, you .....
  27. ImPerts
    ImPerts 14 September 2015 08: 49
    +6
    Quote: armored optimist
    Remember Deripaska's interviews titled "Utilization of Russia" in 2006 and the same Deripaska in Pikalevo in 2009.
    Oligarchs are forced to become patriots. This is a long and complicated process, but it is ongoing.

    Are you talking about it?
    "INTERVIEW OF OLEG DERIPASKI to Nikolay Asmolov // 2006
    Oleg Deripaska Russian Aluminum is the most dynamically developing company in Russia ...
    ...ABOUT. D. - The Russian government was finally formed recently, only a year or two. This is the time when inadequate people, who have amassed capital on the "game of roulette", and not on a systematic approach, stopped crawling into the structure of power. Now they are all removed away - who are no longer at all, who are sitting in the camps, but most of them live the rest of their money abroad. Someone, of course, is nostalgic.
    N. A. - Excuse me, is this about Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, Gusinsky, Zhivilo and others?
    O. D. — Yes, about them and about many others like them. So right now, the Russian authorities, that is, people who are able to make decisions, take them in such a way as to build a system of government management, the media, and other elements of mass management. Nobody bothers us now. And good managers were found for this.
    N. A. - And Putin, excuse me, is he a manager? Or does he make decisions?
    O.D. — The President of Russia is a kind of top manager who runs the whole country. He is an intelligent, adequate person, never exceeding the limits of his authority. We noticed how the state apparatus in the White House worked, how the prosecutor’s office, courts, special services work, how Russian television channels and newspapers work? Just brilliant! Everything helps the economy, business, and does not interfere with us, as it was recently. Under this you can give money, which we do.
    N. A. - "We" are big business?
    - "We" is the Russian real power. Big business is part of our technology.
    N. A. - If it’s not a secret, who is in your circle?
    OD - What is the secret? All those who consistently rallied around the first President of Russia Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, who took the liberty of making difficult economic and social decisions. Contrary to those attempts to play on the populism of that time, of which there were a huge number - both in politics and in the economy of Russia. Most often there were just illiterate and just stupid steps ... "
    http://professionali.ru/Soobschestva/rossiya/proekt-utilizatsija-rossii-intervju
    -olega /
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 14 September 2015 11: 00
      +6
      What is the secret? All those who have consistently united around the first president of Russia Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, who have taken the liberty to make difficult economic and social decisions. ,,
      and such a Putin-Medvedev policy has been around for 15 years, and not only the same people. I don’t think that they decided to share their income with the people.
      1. MrK
        MrK 15 September 2015 01: 21
        +3
        Quote: kotvov
        N. A. - If it’s not a secret, who is in your circle?
        O. D. — What is the secret? All those who consistently united around the first president of Russia Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, who took the liberty to make difficult economic and social decisions.

        And here is German Gref: “You say terrible things. You propose to transfer power into the hands of the population ... As soon as people understand the basis of their "I" and self-identify, it will become extremely difficult to manipulate them. People will not want to be manipulated when they have knowledge. How to govern such a society where everyone has equal access to information, everyone has the opportunity to receive unprepared information through government-trained analysts, political scientists and huge media machines engaged in building and maintaining (social) strata? Your reasoning makes me scary, to be honest, it seems to me that you don't quite understand what you are saying. "

        Notice. These words were not spoken at a secret party, but at the All-Russian Economic Forum in 2014. This is how much it is necessary to HATE YOUR PEOPLE AND BE CINEMA CINEMAL, TO PUBLICALLY, OUTDOOR, EXPRESS THE MOST ESSENCE OF LIBERAL FASCISM. But as they say - the higher the macaque climbs on the tree, the better is visible its Naked Liberal Ass.
        [A. Kurlyandchik - “CURSED SOVIET AUTHORITY” ... on Proza.ru]
        1. Babr
          Babr 15 September 2015 01: 29
          0
          Quote: mrark
          OWN PEOPLE

          Own people? whatBy the way, you need to listen to the words of a potential enemy.
          They don’t give knowledge! Take by force.
    2. vovan50
      vovan50 14 September 2015 12: 12
      +5
      Из этого следует, что Путин, хоть и патриот России, но всего лишь топ-менеджер нанятый "рельной влатью", т.е. аллигархами (поверочное слово аллгатор или, если говорить языком преступного мира, просто смотрящий, задача которого не допустить "беспредела", т.е. грызни между аллигархами и создать условия для их дальнейшего обогащения, но никак не их устранение. Отсюда и "равноудалённость". Но если это так, то некоторое улучшение жизни народа - это просто способ не допустить очередную революцию, которя всех этих аллигархов сметёт. Однако, так не может продолжаться долго, если не будет реального развития производства, технологий и науки. Рано или поздно найдётся замена нефти и газу, да они просто могут закончится или обесценится, как сейчас. Тогда поддерживать достаточный уровень жизни населения станет невозможно и что тогда произойдёт понятно. Этого лучше не ждать. Надо уже сейчас самыми ускоренными темпами развивать реальный сектор экономики, а все препятствия, в виде тех же аллигархов, должны немедленно устранятся. Понимает ли это Путин? Уверен, понимает. А вот поступит ли он так, тут большой вопрос. А понимает ли это народ? Большей частью да. А пойдёт ли народ на смену формации? Тут сразу сравнение с 90-ми, как тогда было плохо и как хорошо сейчас. Но это хорошее сейчас может стать ужасным плохо потом, кода пролетим мы на этом сырье. Какое будущее мы выберем для своих внуков? Как они будут жить? На кого и они будут работать, на хозяев аллигархов или на свою страну?
  28. akudr48
    akudr48 14 September 2015 08: 50
    +6
    Vain expectations. It is not a question of who he is better with. He is better with them than with the people. He is one of them.

    And about the demobilization chord - we must wait another 15-20 years. Or when the cancer on the mountain whistles.
    1. I doubt it
      I doubt it 14 September 2015 12: 40
      +5
      Whistling before. Much earlier.
      Hot spots around the perimeter of our borders. Plus, the most acute economic crisis, cosmopolitanism of the elite, the decline and decay of society. And so on and so forth ...
      The country has neither 20 nor 15 years.
  29. eyed
    eyed 14 September 2015 08: 53
    +3
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Quote: fake
    And the sidekick guarantee

    Not a sidekick, but CO-RATNIKA.

    You would have spent half a year in the 90s to acquire a landmark. Remember how the poor people in the 90s spent half a year without wages and did not tweet? How did the "brothers" ride in black jeeps with a firearm at the ready? ..

    But nothing that I was born in the 55th? And in the 90s he sat with a salary, because he tweeted and blundered. And, who needs, beat the muzzle.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 14 September 2015 09: 04
      +2
      Quote: fake
      And in the 90s he sat with a salary, because he tweeted and blundered. And, who needs, beat the muzzle.

      And more specifically? Something I did not meet with dashing guys, beating the faces of racketeers in jeeps. bully
  30. RiverVV
    RiverVV 14 September 2015 09: 07
    +6
    "Favorite Putin"? I am ashamed to even think about what I just thought ...
  31. Mangel olys
    Mangel olys 14 September 2015 09: 34
    +5
    Article - directly to YABLOCHKO!
  32. provincial
    provincial 14 September 2015 09: 37
    -5
    Conclusion: - the elections were held, the liberals lost again, judging by the comments, Putin is again to blame.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 14 September 2015 11: 02
      +5
      liberals lost again, judging by the comments again Putin is to blame. ,,
      Dear Putin, it’s not whether Putin himself declared that he was liberal. Yes, God is with these statements, but almost the entire composition of the government is liberal.
  33. bsk_mna54
    bsk_mna54 14 September 2015 10: 03
    +6
    No, Putin will live peacefully with the oligarchs while he is in power, allowing further robbery of the people. Otherwise, in a quarter of a century Russia could be raised to a decent height. And so, everything flows, nothing changes: the clerks steal, the oligarchs devour the country's wealth beyond the hill (as if they had few billions of bucks for living-being). All reserves of the USSR are depleted, the collapse of the housing and communal services, industry, agriculture, education, and medicine still loudly
  34. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 14 September 2015 10: 14
    -9
    Of course, subtract and divide, what could be easier? There is money to take away, no money to encourage, the author is not original, moreover they have already passed - it doesn’t work, they don’t give back, they resist, the new ones who replaced them are even more thieving and more vain. Who will produce the ceteria oligarch is not an oligarch? Who will manage the seized? Who will be liable to creditors and counterparties of seized companies?
    The state is a bad businessman, so it should create conditions and not manage and distribute property, and creating conditions is much more difficult than cutting and squeezing, which is what the current left and many right-wingers so crave, business in our country is working, and generally coping, but the creators of the conditions are not very good, and therefore those who have money and hide it from those who want to "justly" withdraw this money. Privatization is not fair? Yes! But it is legal, what is fair if the law is dropped? I'm afraid that we will cease to exist as a society, and the author proposes to drop the law because it is not beneficial to those who would like it to be beneficial.
    Using Khodorkovsky’s example, many have cooled their heads and clarified their understanding, some don’t, and this should be continued, but it should be framed not by decree by order of desire, but by law, and when everyone thinks that we’ll take away some and don’t have others, it won’t work out criteria, sound them, give time to be adapted for those who want, at the same time complicate the moves of withdrawal acquired by those who do not want and sum up, and hysteria like robbed robbed and give me and Belgorod, and then he has a little expensive plane and I don’t like this not righteous wrath in a dumb envy
    1. kunstkammer
      kunstkammer 14 September 2015 11: 01
      +7
      Bad state businessman

      and who told you that a "businessman" is generally good or bad?
      What does a "businessman" do when an employee does not bring him income? Dismisses.
      What should the "state" do if the head of any state. enterprises do not generate income for the country? Fire!
      And if for the rulers of the country there are untouchable (I will add - incompetent, thieving and incompetent) friends and acquaintances - then this is no longer "business" in the person of the state, but a gang of thieves sitting on the neck of the people.
      1. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 14 September 2015 11: 19
        -6
        Quote: kunstkammer
        and who told you that a "businessman" is generally good or bad?

        good businessman earns bad goes broke
        Quote: kunstkammer
        What does a "businessman" do when an employee does not bring him income? Dismisses.

        understands the reasons at first, perhaps an unrealistic task is set or insufficient resources are allocated to solve it, dismissal is an extreme measure, if an employee with work experience is possibly out of place and needs to be transferred to a more suitable place
        Quote: kunstkammer
        What should the "state" do if the head of any state. enterprises do not generate income for the country? Fire!

        to understand the current market conditions for manufactured products, the load on the enterprise, perhaps something pulls finances down and doesn’t have production value (tell me how many state-owned enterprises have this?) or maybe it really needs to be replaced, but the circle of managers of this level and quality is limited and not cheap
        Quote: kunstkammer
        And if for the rulers of the country there are untouchable (I will add - incompetent, thieving and incompetent) friends and acquaintances - then this is no longer "business" in the person of the state, but a gang of thieves sitting on the neck of the people.

        And if they are sitting in bread places and many are trying to denigrate them through the press of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other bodies in order to crawl into their place? and to whom do you entrust the enterprise as a leader to someone you speak well of or to whom you trust? and the one whom you usually trust is a friend, a colleague, a colleague, or just a respected person, such as Usmanov, unlike Berezovsky, for example
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 14 September 2015 11: 08
      +7
      Privatization is not fair? Yes! But it’s legal ?? f now explain how it can be legally sold for 3 kopecks that costs millions. That is, Serdyukov and Vasilyev completely legally sold the property of the Ministry of Defense. The same thing happened in the 90s.
      1. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 14 September 2015 14: 16
        -7
        Quote: kotvov
        Privatization is not fair? Yes! But it’s legal ?? f now explain how it can be legally sold for 3 kopecks that costs millions. That is, Serdyukov and Vasilyev completely legally sold the property of the Ministry of Defense. The same thing happened in the 90s.

        it’s worth millions now, at the time of privatization it wasn’t worth millions, and no one had such millions in 93m, the choice was either ours for pennies or foreigners, of course it was obscene but some were already resold; some were improved by private owners for borrowed money part is destroyed.
        According to the Ministry of Defense, they didn’t sell anything of value there, they simply deprived the feeders of many so they settled on Tolik, and the army just started to look better with him
        No matter how you read so in the USSR in 1992, there were continuous Siemens and BMWs, so what could the USSR sell, if everything was so good? Can you go too far in praising enterprises? there were certain advantages, they are now, a lot of mistakes have been made, but we must somehow live on and not dig in the dung, besides, as practice has shown to the state, it is not so unrealistic to regain anything under your control if necessary.
    3. vovan50
      vovan50 14 September 2015 12: 20
      +3
      "The state is a bad businessman" This is a delusion that is intensively pushed into the minds of immature youth. No matter how badly the state ruled, it was better than the alligarchs. Examples of darkness and vivid USA.
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 14 September 2015 14: 13
        0
        Quote: vovan50
        Examples of darkness and daring visual USA.


        Dear Vladimir, not in terms of a dispute with you, for the sake of the truth, dear, comment on the phrase you stated above reasonably. Please, if it does not bother you.
      2. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 14 September 2015 14: 23
        -3
        Quote: vovan50
        Examples of darkness and daring visual USA.

        The United States is not an example, there is just everything private except for the distributed dough, it is just state and is distributed on the terms of what gets to its own through its own.
        But they draw money that is demanded everywhere, but we don’t have such a resource. We’re closer to examples of Europe where money is limited and private management and money must be competitive, that’s what we need to adopt, it’s difficult to control the targeted use of funds at this stage and of course it’s necessary to the whole chain of their passage did not go beyond the framework of the Russian jurisdiction, but now the window of opportunity to establish this process is just open, unless of course someone starts to shout frantically that everything needs to be taken back and the cook will rule Twomey
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 14 September 2015 16: 43
          +2
          Roman, in almost everything, with you, agrees, except

          Quote: Kyrgyz
          in addition to the distributed dough, it’s just state


          The fact is that the US financial system is original and unique, no other country has such a system (to be more precise, I don’t know another country), it means that the state (USA) does not have a monopoly on money supply, this right belongs to a certain group of private financial institutions that make up the federal reserve system, which in general determines the need for the amount of money supply.

          Like this.
    4. Buffalo
      Buffalo 14 September 2015 13: 38
      +3
      It would be taken away if the current oligarchs themselves created from scratch those enterprises that they took possession of during the "catastrophe", using criminal methods, as a rule, with money provided by foreign investors.
      Therefore, about "select and divide", be careful!
      They took it! And therefore, nationalization is a triumph of justice, in this case.
      1. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 14 September 2015 14: 33
        -4
        Quote: Bison
        It would be taken away if the current oligarchs themselves created from scratch those enterprises that they took possession of during the "catastrophe", using criminal methods, as a rule, with money provided by foreign investors.
        Therefore, about "select and divide", be careful!
        They took it! And therefore, nationalization is a triumph of justice, in this case.

        And where is big business created without government involvement? in the USA with their golden waterfall for gunsmiths and financiers? They didn’t take it away, but bought it at the price set by the state on the conditions established by the state, and if everything is changed when you don’t want or are not profitable, then who will deal with you other than by force? and as soon as the money comes from you they will hide and run away, xs that tomorrow you still seem unfair?
        In the West, big business is the elite and we have outcasts and why are you surprised that they go there? and who benefits from remaining that way? BMW owners, the Porsche Krupp family and so on, they financed the labor of concentration camps with labor, but to this day they retain their property and do not flee or run from Germany, and the Germans are doing everything so that they do not want to dump anywhere, so why in Russia it is necessary always remained completely poor but fair? and who needs it? The law is bad, but it is a law, it was adopted by the state and executed before the state, which means that it’s smooth bribes, next time we’ll think over the law more carefully
  35. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 14 September 2015 10: 22
    +2
    Статья понравилась, не во всем согласен с автором, и несколько эмоционально, но изложено грамотно, аргументированно и достаточно доступно.
    Alexander, thanks, interesting. It's my opinion.
  36. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 14 September 2015 10: 52
    +6
    everyone understands everything ... but the situation does not change. And it seems that people who want to change it are not honored by the rulers of Russia.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 September 2015 13: 40
      +2
      not in honor with the rulers of Russia.
      just such, in spite of the fact that "it is not 37th now", receive long terms.
  37. Chulman
    Chulman 14 September 2015 12: 26
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: A1L9E4K9S
    Our respected, beloved guarantor of the constitution, the same oligarch as everyone else who stole during

    US intelligence agencies spent 20 years searching Putin’s billions and didn’t find them. Maybe you can help them find these billions.


    Why look for them? They are all in sight. It’s easier to find what is hidden, and not what lies before your eyes!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 14 September 2015 13: 13
      +9
      Or maybe this comes from the fact that many oligarchs have a very distant relationship with Russia.
      For example, data for 2011:
      In the list of the 100 richest people in Russia, 47 are Jews, 35 are Russian, 4 are Ukrainians, 3 are Azerbaijanis, 2 are Uzbeks, 2 are Ingush, 2 are Tatars, 1 each is Lezgin, Bashkir, Greek, Armenian, Ossetian. Moreover, some Russian oligarchs in the photographs do not look like faces of Slavic appearance( ну тут в силу вступает фактор маскировки ведь как мы знаем у нас в России евреи носят в большинстве "наши" имена и фамилии.
      Mimicry understand lol )
      1. Hello
        Hello 14 September 2015 13: 15
        +1
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Or maybe this comes from the fact that many oligarchs have a very distant relationship with Russia.
        For example, data for 2011:
        In the list of the 100 richest people in Russia, 47 are Jews, 35 are Russian, 4 are Ukrainians, 3 are Azerbaijanis, 2 are Uzbeks, 2 are Ingush, 2 are Tatars, 1 each is Lezgin, Bashkir, Greek, Armenian, Ossetian. Moreover, some Russian oligarchs in the photographs do not look like faces of Slavic appearance( ну тут в силу вступает фактор маскировки ведь как мы знаем у нас в России евреи носят в большинстве "наши" имена и фамилии.
        Mimicry understand lol )

        Sorry and what are your names?
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 14 September 2015 14: 26
          +4
          Quote: Hello
          Sorry and what are your names?

          The Semyonovs, Kuznetsovs, and so on, even here an Israeli under the nickname professor is not Moishe Trakhtenberg but Oleg Sokolov. Jews in any country of residence (except perhaps Israel) "disguise" themselves as the titular nation, this is a worldwide practice for them.
          1. Hello
            Hello 14 September 2015 14: 47
            -1
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Quote: Hello
            Sorry and what are your names?

            The Semyonovs, Kuznetsovs, and so on, even here an Israeli under the nickname professor is not Moishe Trakhtenberg but Oleg Sokolov. Jews in any country of residence (except perhaps Israel) "disguise" themselves as the titular nation, this is a worldwide practice for them.

            How many heresies are in your head, Oleg, let you know the name of Scandinavian origin, or you are a Viking. Did the last name Semenov come from the church name Semeon which came from the Jewish name Shimon, exactly from yours? Or are you still a Jew?
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 14 September 2015 15: 08
              +1
              Quote: Hello
              Semenov came from the church name Semeon which came from the Jewish name Shimon

              Of course, of course everything in the world came from the Jews, just don't be nervous lol
              Я тут даже такой бред слышал от твоих соотечественников из Израиля, что и БОГ - еврей. Прекращайте уже, заврались просто а то уже насчёт вашего "здоровья" сомнения возникают.
              1. Hello
                Hello 14 September 2015 15: 33
                0
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Quote: Hello
                Semenov came from the church name Semeon which came from the Jewish name Shimon

                Of course, of course everything in the world came from the Jews, just don't be nervous lol
                Я тут даже такой бред слышал от твоих соотечественников из Израиля, что и БОГ - еврей. Прекращайте уже, заврались просто а то уже насчёт вашего "здоровья" сомнения возникают.

                Read http://www.ufolog.ru/names/order/Semenov
                http://www.analizfamilii.ru/Semenov/proishozhdenie.html
                And may truth be revealed to you in all its glory
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 14 September 2015 18: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Hello
                  And may truth be revealed to you in all its glory

                  This your "truth" is called - megalomania, some of its truth qualify as one of the types of schizophrenia lol
  38. Evg_K
    Evg_K 14 September 2015 13: 19
    -2
    Putin’s main reformist achievement is that he is equidistant from the Russian oligarchs.
    Who is it considered?
    Already from the wording itself it follows that the oligarchs are something bad, like a disease, and closeness to them,
    Fuck cause-effect relationships
    Unlike closeness with the people, reprehensible.
    It is possible in more detail whom the author considers people. Who is the link to? Tucked up such articles. Another one wants to redo everything again under the slogan of a certain justice. There is no justice for everyone. In particular, because everyone understands justice in his own way and, as a rule, in his favor. However, when people use the word, they mean, first of all, their beloved.
  39. Alekst
    Alekst 14 September 2015 13: 24
    0
    and who else should Putin rely on? on the people? the people did nothing in the years 91 and 93, and on the EBN board! quietly survived himself not really speaking ... it is clear that he will rely on force, i.e. at the present time the oligarchs have money for it, and the opponents of it are the oligarchs, or rather, part of the oligarchy. What makes you think that Putin will come up with new rules of the game? If there were 3 or 4 strength, maybe he leaned on it and leaned on it, but where is it?
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 14 September 2015 13: 57
      +3
      If in those days you still walked under the table, and therefore you don’t remember anything, or you forgot it because of senility, it doesn’t mean that there was nothing! - It was! Learn history, and not from liberal publications. And the defense of the White House was, and the assault of Ostankino, and mass rallies and demonstrations, clashes with riot police, and the victims, about 500 people at the White House.
  40. Buffalo
    Buffalo 14 September 2015 13: 28
    +4
    The point is not so much that the oligarch removes a huge margin from the profits of an enterprise - count it from the pocket of hired workers.
    The fact is that they can all at any time betray Russia. Many have a foreign base where they can settle down at any time. All large firms have foreign jurisdiction. Many in the West live with relatives, children study.
    Therefore, in the conditions of a sharp aggravation of the political situation (- we are standing on the eve of the war with the United States and its NATO allies), this is a very effective and timely measure - the nationalization of large enterprises of strategic importance. This measure will increase the wages of employees, without additional investments from the state - only due to a more equitable distribution of labor results, which will create their additional interest, and save the whole country from economic sabotage.
    It is enough to look at the experience of Ukraine to understand that in the event of a destabilization of the situation, the oligarchy will not be on the side of the state. And this is the most serious argument in favor of nationalization.
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 14 September 2015 15: 16
      -4
      Quote: Bison
      The point is not so much that the oligarch removes a huge margin from the profits of an enterprise - count it from the pocket of hired workers.
      The fact is that they can all at any time betray Russia. Many have a foreign base where they can settle down at any time. All large firms have foreign jurisdiction. Many in the West live with relatives, children study.

      The oligarch is a business dictating the actions of the authorities, if the oligarch of the authorities does not dictate the actions, then he is a big business and no more, there are not a few of them either.
      Margin is often the fruit of the businessman’s labor; it is all of it that he creates the brand to increase advertising; it dodges how it can stimulate demand by kickbacks and threats to oneself, and the workers’ pocket is not the profit of the enterprise, but its costs, which, as usual, should be reduced, but not every employee will work cheaply, not every one will do well for expensively, not everyone is worth it and that you have to pay.
      Foreign jurisdiction gives access to credit resources and insures circulating assets from any "truth-tellers" who need to "justly take away everything" children there because for some reason it is customary to consider them to be guilty and demand some kind of repentance and favor in front of the oppressed and unemployed - you are also the reason this isn't it? You, too, should participate in creating conditions for the preservation of money in the country, at least by showing respect for the one who creates it, by providing money from the treasury with guarantees of preserving property at all costs and not until the first sentence. A businessman, in your opinion, is some kind of traitor, he is not a patriot, he does not like his homeland and is generally guilty of everything, such as "rubbish bills" and it does not matter that there are heroes and ideological and simply honest people, but one day my friend-acquaintances were kicked in the kidneys and now like this.
  41. Earnest
    Earnest 14 September 2015 13: 29
    +3
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    ... So again.
    If you Enough money to BUY With PE-PE-PLA-TOY, i.e. EXPENSIVE!!!, then you have NO MINDTo LIVE BY MEANS and you YOURSELF PERFORM YOURSELF IN DEBT.

    Besides. Loans REDUCE effective demand by the amount of interest accrued on the loan. That is, a car costs 500 tyrov, you buy it on a loan for 750 tyrov, you pay 250 tyrov to the bank because you "it is direct strongly unbearable that it is urgent urgently urgently to buy it". 250 tyrov, this is the amount that you voluntarily give to the bank, deprive myself of the refrigerator, vacuum cleaner" and more, more, more, something else. "
    So it turns out that it’s you yourself who, acting on advertising tricks, do it yourself ... by whom? wink

    Если у вас не хватает денег, то... и ума добавить вам никто не сможет. Машина стоит 750 000. За пять лет отдать надо. Довольно удобно. Но можно купить её за 500 000 без посредников, но деньги сразу. Это удобно, просто по другому удобно, другому человеку с другим образом жизни. И от ума покупателя никак не зависит. Но есть побочные эффекты в виде стимулирования спроса, роста продаж и услуг, увеличения ВВП и прочих глупостей и ненужных терминов. Но вам этого не понять - вам всё до фени, кроме уверенности в своей непогрешимой правоте. При обучении нас, сирых, основам экономики,нос не задирайте,ладно? А то о порог споткнетесь и весь ум разольёте.
  42. ASK505
    ASK505 14 September 2015 13: 51
    +2
    Зрим в корень. Ответом на многие вопросы и события может служить вопрос: Кому принадлежит частная собственность на средства производства? При царе - капиталистам своим и западным, при Советской власти - КПСС, сегодня уже олигархату. Тупик нынешней сырьевой модели 90-х годов не видит только Тузик. Он занят ловлей блох. Без второй индустриализации на новой цифровой базе мы не вылезем из этого болота. Земля и углеводороды не должны принадлежать какому-то отдельному лицу. Средства производства могут управляться трудовыми коллективами.
  43. veksha50
    veksha50 14 September 2015 14: 03
    +5
    Guys !!!

    I read, read comments and got tired of your fight ...

    Look ... Ukrainians call us vatniks and moskals ... We don’t like this ...

    Right there, on the VO, the definition of "putinoidy" is already in full swing ... It somehow sounds unpleasant ... There are also common "libepasts" on a par ... In the opinion of many, both are bad, so to speak .. ...

    Here, many say that Putin himself ... a liberal ...

    Однако, либералы как раз под него и копают... Где логика, братья ???

    Those who blame Putin-piled everything ... His opponents are doing the same ...

    Let me express my opinion ... There are no ideal leaders at any level ... this is time ...
    After Humpbacked and Everlasting Drunk, Putin and I were more or less lucky ... it could have been a lot worse ...

    Cursing, cursing Putin now, why are you calling ??? Is there a leader who can instantly turn the country to the jelly banks ??? No, and it won’t ... Because it’s not just like power and leadership that they are striving for, though they furnish all this with beautiful slogans ...

    Putin is in his place, and no matter how anyone resists, he is a leader and a rather wise man ...
    Otherwise, we have long or completely laid down under the staff, or already in the war in Ukraine, our people put to death ...

    I also don’t like a lot of things in our country ... so much I didn’t like about the USSR either, and I don’t even want to talk about the dashing 90s ...

    But, I think, rocking the boat in which we are all sailing together now means to be a provocateur ...

    Let's respect each other on the forum ... Do not mold each other and do not enter into anger ...
    Argue over normal, no fights ... and no civil war on the VO ...
    1. anderles66
      anderles66 14 September 2015 14: 28
      +2
      Quote: veksha50
      Guys !!!
      After Humpbacked and Everlasting Drunk, Putin and I were more or less lucky ... it could have been a lot worse ...
      Putin is in his place, and no matter how anyone resists, he is a leader and a rather wise man ...
      I also don’t like a lot of things in our country ... so much I didn’t like about the USSR either, and I don’t even want to talk about the dashing 90s ...
      Argue over normal, no fights ... and no civil war on the VO ...
      I support. The trouble of many "disputants" is their own infallibility and confidence in the idiocy of their opponent. For me, my own feelings are much more important than the labels that unscrupulous people hang. And no one will convince me that I lived better with the people you mentioned above. With all my personal claims to Putin, about which I will keep silent, I consider him the best in my memory.
      1. Alexey M
        Alexey M 14 September 2015 14: 59
        +4
        Dear, why do you compare how you live with the darkest times of our country? Take 85 years for comparison. And I am sure against the general background you have lived wonderful.
    2. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 14 September 2015 16: 00
      +4
      Да никто не собирается "свергать" Путина.Люди уже требуют от него разогнать всё его либеральное окружение,за которое он так вцепился.Ведь уже даже даунам ясно,что с такими людьми нормальной экономики не построить,да при нынешнем противостоянии с с Западом,а может в ближайшем будущем и войне.У нас ведь на Медведевых и Набиуллиных и иже сними страна не кончается.Где элементы стратегического планирования? Где просчёт возможностей страны в связи с войной? Одно только "ручное управление".А должна быть автоматическая настройка без работы в "ручном режиме".Это когда война или катаклизм,то ещё можно на короткое время в ручном режиме жить,но не всё же время.Позор,когда глава страны отдаёт распоряжения то дома построить,то зверей покормить,то директора завода поменять.Какого хрена тогда вся "его" команда в стране на ключевых местах и в регионах делает? Ворует что ли? Пусть новую наберёт,если эти делать ничего не могут.Но тогда вопрос.А почему не меняет? Кажется все ответы уже другие граждане на форуме в комментах дали.
  44. Alekst
    Alekst 14 September 2015 14: 36
    +1
    Quote: Bison
    If in those days you still walked under the table, and therefore you don’t remember anything, or you forgot it because of senility, it doesn’t mean that there was nothing! - It was! Learn history, and not from liberal publications. And the defense of the White House was, and the assault of Ostankino, and mass rallies and demonstrations, clashes with riot police, and the victims, about 500 people at the White House.

    Did I say that there was nothing? I kind of said that - there wasn’t much, nothing like Maidan like in Ukraine, but it didn’t lead to anything good. And for me, Veksha 50 wrote correctly.
  45. alexey water
    alexey water 14 September 2015 14: 46
    0
    Quote: veksha50
    Quote: sherp2015
    Until the industry is returned to the country, the plants will not move in the direction of improving the economy.


    "Oligarchy (ancient Greek ὀλῐγ-αρχία - the power of the few; from Old Greek ὀλίγος - small, small + ἀρχή - beginning, power) is a political regime in which power is concentrated in the hands of a relatively small group of citizens (for example, representatives of large monopolized capital) and rather serves their personal and group interests, rather than the interests of all citizens.In other words, power and capital are concentrated in the same hands.Oligarchs - members of the oligarchy, can either be members of the government themselves, or have a decisive influence on its formation and making decisions in their personal and group interests. "....

    Here, in Russia, the oligarchy after the "equidistance" took on its own Russian form ...

    The question is not to destroy them - in the West, every billionaire oligarch has his skeletons in the closet, and then they, billions, are earned with blisters ...

    The problem is to make these billions work for the good of the country, it, the country, the economy, and not just the rich man’s own pocket ...

    And so ... the article calls, calls and calls not so much for the overthrow of the oligarchs as for the overthrow of Putin ...

    Well and then what ??? ... Everything will be beautiful and prosperity will come for everyone ??? WHIM.....

    Как что? Мы можем выйти на красную площадь, можем теоретически в очередной раз свергнуть власть в стране. И к нам придёт, или прилетит свой руссо Парашенко, который сразу выгонит всех сегодняшних олигархов в Европу, чтобы они там соц. сети финансировали, Цукенбергу на счет отсёгивали. И посадит руссо Парашенко своих новых олигархов, поднимет тарифы процентов на 30-50%, пригласит иностранцев с Запада на все ключевые посты, возьмёт кредитов у МВФ. И пошлёт всех наших друзей подальше, чтоб сами свои проблемы с США решали. А наши потомки как это бывало уже не раз будут ругать своих родителей и прародителей (т.е. нас) на чем свет стоит. А мы, наверно, до пенсии своей дожить уже не должны будем. Я так понимаю, этого хочет автор статьи.
  46. GraveBezKresta
    GraveBezKresta 14 September 2015 15: 03
    +8
    Putin created the abomination of lawlessness in the country. Russia is saved only by the fact that it is too rich a country. Its riches allow you to keep the country, in spite of all the efforts of friends of Putin, and even Putin himself. But the abomination of lawlessness always leads to the abomination of desolation. The oligarchy did not have enough money and they openly began to sell the lands of the Far East and Siberia to China. The oligarchy pitted two fraternal peoples, and, in principle, one united people - the Slavic people in the civil, fratricidal war. WE ARE ONE PEOPLE - SLAVIC. So 40 million Slavs in Ukraine passionately hate Putin and his oligarchy. So what the hell, excuse me, is he the national leader of the Slavs ?! He, of course, is a national leader ... but you yourself know everything. For me personally, the last point in assessing Putin’s personality was the protection of Vasilieva. This is already the edge. Without any disguise.
    This photo is the visiting card of our government.
  47. Cherdak
    Cherdak 14 September 2015 16: 04
    0
    It's time to close the branch.

    The theme is pointless and all built on speculation.

    If you have something to say, then here it is:

    Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation

    http://sledcom.ru

    In the subsection "Internet Reception" (section "Citizens' Appeals") site visitors can issue electronic messages that are processed by authorized employees of the department for the consideration of citizens ’appeals and documentation in the manner established by Federal Law dated 02.05.2006 No. 59-FZ“ On Order consideration of applications of citizens of the Russian Federation ”and relevant regulatory legal acts of the IC of Russia.
  48. eyed
    eyed 14 September 2015 17: 03
    +3
    Quote: Grave without Cross
    Putin created the abomination of lawlessness in the country. Russia is saved only by the fact that it is too rich a country. Its riches allow you to keep the country, in spite of all the efforts of friends of Putin, and even Putin himself. But the abomination of lawlessness always leads to the abomination of desolation. The oligarchy did not have enough money and they openly began to sell the lands of the Far East and Siberia to China. The oligarchy pitted two fraternal peoples, and, in principle, one united people - the Slavic people in the civil, fratricidal war. WE ARE ONE PEOPLE - SLAVIC. So 40 million Slavs in Ukraine passionately hate Putin and his oligarchy. So what the hell, excuse me, is he the national leader of the Slavs ?! He, of course, is a national leader ... but you yourself know everything. For me personally, the last point in assessing Putin’s personality was the protection of Vasilieva. This is already the edge. Without any disguise.
    This photo is the visiting card of our government.

    What an open and honest person !!! The eye rejoices looking! And how many of the same order-bearers and heroes are there!
    Unfortunately, a lot ...
  49. Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 September 2015 17: 06
    +2
    Sense of indignation, they went and voted for the Putin-Medvedev party.
  50. Baloo
    Baloo 14 September 2015 17: 30
    +5
    Cherdak
    The theme is pointless and all built on speculation.
    If you have something to say, then here it is:
    Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation
    http://sledcom.ru
    In the subsection "Internet Reception" (section "Citizens' Appeals") site visitors can issue electronic messages that are processed by authorized employees of the department for the consideration of citizens ’appeals and documentation in the manner established by Federal Law dated 02.05.2006 No. 59-FZ“ On Order consideration of applications of citizens of the Russian Federation ”and relevant regulatory legal acts of the IC of Russia.


    From the point of view of logistics, people can be conditionally divided into organizers, specialists, performers, either. Slogans of the type: they are all thieves, they have everything taken away and shared - the typical logic of lumpen, who do not want to constantly learn and improve, content with the essentials.
    Мы строим социальное правовое государство, где каждый либо потребитель услуг и товаров, либо предоставляет услуги и производит товар.
    Not just creating your own business from scratch, it requires the efforts of the mind and will, and not just money.
    In the USSR, before "perestroika", there was an active discussion about the workshop workers. How can you help them realize themselves, their organizational talent? We started with cooperatives. The first pancake was lumpy. Remember the story of the cooperative source A. Tarasov. From what was leaked to the press, I remember that the echelon of tanks reached Novorossiysk and a scandal began. So it is still not known to whom this cooperative (according to the list, all of the KGB officers from generals to warrant officers) were carrying these tanks to buy consumer goods. Tarasov is also silent. He himself rose, according to him, on the supply of shoes. It was announced in the media that the KGB was working out a scheme of cooperatives for foreign economic activity.
    It is clear that the USSR was destroyed by external forces with the hands of the corrupt nomenclature of the security forces and reliance on criminals. Now hardly anyone remembers reports of trains with goods that boys in leather jackets pushed into deadlocks with money or threats and quickly unloaded.
    Thus was created a commodity-money deficit, the first stage of any revolution.
    The oligarchs? They were more fortunate than the others, but ask yourself, what business do you know how to start and make prosperous? hi
    As for Pinocchio with his malvina, this is a spit on the law, a national disgrace.
    I once looked through the topic: a bribe. Surprising cases are described: the patient leaving the doctor under the table threw an envelope, immediately show masks. Behind the nurse they threw an envelope with 150 rubles-masks of the show.
    Nothing more to say, disappointed. hi