India is asking for permission to test the PAK FA

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The Indian Defense Ministry appealed to Russian colleagues to provide an opportunity for Indian test pilots to test the 5 generation T-50 fighter (PAK FA) in flight, reports Look with reference to Economic Time.



“On the eve of the December visit to Moscow of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, we would like the Russian side to provide test pilots of the Indian Air Force with the opportunity to test the fifth-generation fighter PAK FA in flight. Now we are considering all the options for cooperation in this project - from co-production to direct buying 60-65 aircraft from Russia, and in order to make a final decision, I would like to get acquainted with its flight and technical characteristics in practice ”,
told the Indian newspaper a source in the military department of the country.

He noted that "India undoubtedly needs a fifth-generation fighter, which combines all the modern technologies and developments, such as low visibility, high maneuverability, speed, and also has a stock of characteristics for the future."

“An alternative to the Russian T-50 could be the American F-35, which is also at the final testing stage,” said the source. “However, India has repeatedly ignored allusions by the United States regarding the possibility of supplying this aircraft.”

He recalled that in 2007, the country "concluded an intergovernmental agreement on the joint production of T-50, then in December 2010, the Indian side allocated 295 million dollars for its preliminary development."

“But three years ago, India slowed down this project, reducing its order from the original 166 single and 48 twin fighters to 127 single PAK FA single rooms,” said a military official. “At the same time, the total cost of the PAK FA project for India was marked at about 25 billion dollars, subject to the delivery of all 127 machines.”

“The coordination of technical details, cost and delivery schedule of the fighters may further delay the signing of the final joint production agreement of the PAK FA, in which the parties had to throw off 5,5 billion dollars each,” he noted. “Therefore, India is now considering the option of buying ready-made fighters from Russia in order to get them as quickly as possible.”

He expressed the hope that the visit of the Indian prime minister to the Russian Federation "will push the negotiations on the PAK FA in the interests of both parties."

"Russia will receive serious cash receipts, and India expects that in the case of the direct purchase of fifth-generation fighter jets, delivery times can be reduced from the initial 94 to 36 months, which is crucial for the country's air force experiencing flight technical hunger," the source added.
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  1. +46
    13 September 2015 10: 37
    Requests however. Inuses are also more than cunning. The Chinese take over the experience.
    1. +10
      13 September 2015 10: 55
      I would not give ..
      1. +3
        13 September 2015 11: 00
        India is asking for permission to test the PAK FA

        Design, assemble and test how much will fit.
        1. 0
          13 September 2015 11: 20
          Quote: anEkeName
          Design, assemble and test how much will fit.

          The plane is two seater. There is nothing special about putting an Indian in the place of a navigator. Secret devices can simply be closed or temporarily dismantled.
          1. +9
            13 September 2015 11: 28
            Will not work! Lip will not fit in the cab! You must first put a batch of seaming pencils.
          2. +19
            13 September 2015 12: 14
            alas .... the two-seater does not exist yet ....
            1. +18
              13 September 2015 12: 35
              Quote: DanSabaka
              alas .... the two-seater does not exist yet ....

              If so, then it is very bad. The Indian pilot will have to be taught seriously, which means he will know all the details. For this information, US intelligence will begin to hunt and the leak will be 100%.
              1. +10
                13 September 2015 16: 06
                I fully agree with these fears that all the "testing" results will end up with the United States, which will save billions in order to find methods to combat these aircraft, and if the Indians provide the data, they will receive a good discount on the purchase of the F-35. Business, however.
                1. 0
                  13 September 2015 20: 50
                  “In anticipation of the December visit of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to Moscow, we would like the Russian side to provide Indian Air Force test pilots with the opportunity to test the fifth-generation PAK FA fighter in flight.

                  An interesting hint in raising the question ...
                  If we don’t provide, then, doesn’t Nadendra come and go? lol
              2. 0
                14 September 2015 21: 23
                tochnik .... angry
              3. 0
                15 September 2015 20: 52
                And then besides the Indians there is no one to drain the inf-info. winked Yes, drop it! They will merge their own.
              4. +2
                15 September 2015 21: 10
                Nonsense!

                What is the use of buying Panasonic 4K TV and trying to repeat it at the Rubin factory !?
                It would be so simple, we would all go to Maybach, bought at the price of shit ...

                T-50 is still without native engines.
                The car flies on consumer goods, among the Indians of such jerkers - a wagon.
                The Hindu will not find anything secret in the cockpit.

                Technology rules, the car itself is not of great value, everything they need, pintos, have long been stolen, or bought from "effective managers" ...
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            2. +2
              13 September 2015 16: 26
              And not the fact that it will appear at all. According to the expected level of automation, a co-pilot will not be needed. A large flashlight will probably affect the radar signature. And to do UB modification when there are simulators, there is a Yak-130, there is a SU-30, finally, there is no need. Fly and learn.
              1. +3
                15 September 2015 21: 14
                And then one to the other !?
                Sparka is a training machine.
                On it, the SKILL and SENSE of the machine is transmitted.
                No Yak-130 and SU-30 - you can’t replace the T-50 pair.
                It’s the same as preparing yourself for a woman on a wooden scarecrow ...
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          3. +6
            13 September 2015 12: 53
            Secret devices can simply be closed or temporarily dismantled.

            Well yes. And for greater secrecy, instead of the helm, attach the reins. Author, have you ever tried to drive at least a car with closed (or dismantled) devices? Oh well... laughing
          4. +3
            13 September 2015 13: 20
            vita, I don’t want to offend you, but do you have any idea about the T-50 (Pak Fa)?
          5. 0
            13 September 2015 13: 20
            vita, I don’t want to offend you, but do you have any idea about the T-50 (Pak Fa)?
        2. +3
          13 September 2015 11: 22
          It seems to me that a training battle with the Indians is always welcome. But "testing" is a completely different level of military-technical cooperation.
          1. +9
            13 September 2015 13: 09
            Quote: BMP-2
            It seems to me that a training battle with the Indians is always welcome.


            A "training battle" can be carried out on an airplane that is already .. "ready" .... for "some ... battle" soldier
        3. +8
          13 September 2015 11: 28
          I don’t see any problems letting the plane steer.
          Naturally, on our territory and with our co-pilot in the cockpit (or with a set of remotely detonated plastid in the seat, mindful of the fate of the MIG hijacked in the USSR), to be safe.
          The Indians will probably send a professional who is not so long to teach piloting even a prototype. He will not see anything particularly secret there, in addition, the final appearance of the cockpit and its electronics has not yet been determined.
          If the prototype shows good flying qualities, then the Indians will be satisfied.
          If it doesn’t show very good ones, you can always refer to the fact that this is a technical prototype and the control units have not been finalized yet.
          1. +6
            13 September 2015 13: 11
            Quote: Darkmor
            I don’t see any problems letting the plane steer.


            Well, very bad ... that you do not see request

            Look at least visually .. the flight of the Su-30SM and the Su-35S and .. "compare" with the flight of the T-50 at the extreme MAX wink .

            If after that you do not see .. "problems" .. then .. sorry hi
            1. +13
              13 September 2015 13: 13
              Quote: ancient
              . "compare" with the T-50 pilatage at the extreme MAX

              It would be interesting to hear your opinion! hi
              1. +6
                13 September 2015 15: 11
                Yes, however handsome !!!
              2. +2
                13 September 2015 21: 18
                Quote: Stroporez
                It would be interesting to hear your opinion!



                What other opinion ... No words ... Yokarny Babai !!!

                F-35, hang yourself right away !!! Or fall ...

                PS Here is the opinion of some of the "partners" who were present at the show to hear ... But they will sshresh or - at best - keep silent ...
              3. +2
                14 September 2015 14: 43
                it seems that the aircraft generally do not have transcendent flight modes.
                As if he is doing absolutely everything ... the metamorphoses are continuous, not an air show! Of course sooooo impressive.
                more interesting as with a filling.
                interesting following: are all the main systems already on the aircraft? if not, then what about weight and centering? in the future, it will affect somehow or are there layouts for accurate weight balancing?
                amazed how the aircraft froze, its nose lifted straight up. I imagine an aircraft flies into a cloud ... and does not fly out of there. or already takes off, but in the tail of a potential "partner" am
              4. +1
                14 September 2015 21: 32
                he is magnificent ... no words !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bully
              5. +1
                15 September 2015 14: 01
                Stroporez - What did they stuff there - huh? Well, can't a piece of iron fly like that? fellow
              6. +1
                15 September 2015 20: 14
                Air hooligan, violator of the law of gravity! wink
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          2. +1
            13 September 2015 14: 27
            That's for sure, the production model will already have little in common with current prototypes, as it was with the SU-27 for example. Well, if only outwardly it looks like.
          3. +5
            13 September 2015 16: 22
            Quote: Darkmor
            with our co-pilot in the cockpit

            Or put him on his knees? Single car.
            1. 0
              15 September 2015 14: 44
              Quote: Garris199
              Or put him on his knees?

              This is for Europeans hi They have more experience. laughing .op then more fellow
          4. +3
            14 September 2015 13: 10
            I don’t see any problems letting the plane steer.
            Naturally, on our territory and with our co-pilot in the cockpit (or with a set of remotely detonated plastid in the seat, mindful of the fate of the MIG hijacked in the USSR), to be safe.

            And they didn’t ask themselves the question, where will the co-pilot sit? wassat
            State tests of the T-50 have not yet been completed. In my opinion, even the pilots of the Lipetsk Center have not yet flown this aircraft. And not so many of these machines have been produced, all are involved in testing. The question is, why put an Indian on a test car?
            1. 0
              15 September 2015 21: 32
              The question is, why put an Indian on a test car?

              Then, under the contract, the soil slowly begins to stagger. Hindus want to feel for what they are asked to shell out billions ye.
          5. 0
            15 September 2015 14: 41
            Quote: Darkmor
            or with a set of remotely detonated plastid in a chair, mindful of the fate of a MIG hijacked in the USSR), for safety reasons.

            But what other methods of defeat no longer exist? It’s somehow not very comfortable to fly with plastid under the ass. laughing
        4. +8
          13 September 2015 12: 14
          in December 2010, the Indian side allocated $ 295 million for its preliminary development. "

          It seems to me that the Indian side has the right to test ..... in our territory ....
        5. +1
          13 September 2015 23: 42
          War elephants are already tired! laughing
      2. +10
        13 September 2015 11: 04
        Quote: Hagakure
        I would not give ..


        The Americans immediately secured the purchase of f35 from their allies, who gave money in advance, participated in the development

        so it’s possible for us, it won’t be worse, but we need money

        1. +3
          13 September 2015 11: 09
          Quote: bulvas
          so it’s possible for us, it won’t be worse, but we need money


          I thought the T-50 would be only for our use.
          1. 0
            15 September 2015 21: 33
            Why do you think so?
        2. +4
          13 September 2015 11: 42
          so it’s possible for us, it won’t be worse, but we need money

          And we always need money! More precisely: them. And the sun receives the latest technology in the last turn.
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      4. +10
        13 September 2015 11: 14
        Quote: Hagakure
        I would not give ..

        Amerikosy would give. Do not think, why? The market, in addition, is our long-standing strategic partner. It seems your sofa is a very old modification, it would be nice to upgrade.
        1. +9
          13 September 2015 11: 31
          Our "long-standing and strategic" partner is the army and navy. Everything else - how the chip will fall
        2. +6
          13 September 2015 13: 27
          The Americans don’t really offer f22. It’s just for them! And let the Indians on the simulator fly laughing And the Indians invest money in garlic and want to see the result. They don’t have time for a new project. The 5th generation airplane is a long story and expensive. But the number of units ordered drops sharply and this is not good.
      5. +4
        13 September 2015 11: 16
        Why not ... trying a plane in flight doesn't mean technology transfer hi
      6. +2
        13 September 2015 11: 35
        Could and give. Only under the guarantee that if something happens they tower to the maximum, and only in our territory.
      7. +1
        13 September 2015 12: 53
        Hagakure
        I would not give ..


        .... there are 5 or 6 options. Which of them did not give? ......
      8. +2
        13 September 2015 13: 06
        Quote: Hagakure
        I would not give ..


        And ours and ... will not give bully
      9. +1
        13 September 2015 13: 07
        Quote: Hagakure
        I would not give ..

        And what - is there? wink
      10. +6
        13 September 2015 20: 20
        Quote: meriem1
        Requests however. Inuses are also more than cunning. The Chinese take over the experience.

        и
        Quote: Hagakure
        I would not give ..


        What are you talking about ?! How tired of the dominance of sofa experts ... PAK FA - a joint project with the Indians !!! Have you forgotten this yet?

        There are simply no words!
    2. +2
      13 September 2015 11: 24
      Then they will want to get acquainted with those documents, with production, with simple workers and their families and will think.
      1. +1
        13 September 2015 11: 37
        Cho and the families of ordinary workers will test? belay
    3. -1
      13 September 2015 11: 51
      on simulators, there and test. They don’t understand that the plane is secret?
      1. +1
        13 September 2015 14: 09
        Quote: War and Peace
        They don’t understand that the plane is secret?

        Of course they understand. Therefore, they invested some time in joint development. And then they decided that it was expensive and wanted to get ready and quick, especially Indians often participate in joint air exercises with US aviation. I will not be surprised that it is the United States and the Indians are rushing with this contract.
      2. 0
        15 September 2015 21: 35
        Last year, a secret aircraft flashed before their eyes and burned. And the bill goes to billions of money.
    4. +2
      13 September 2015 11: 59
      When you buy a car do you test it?
      So people want to test before buying.
      1. +1
        13 September 2015 12: 01
        Quote: shark913
        So people want to test before buying.

        Strange, before they bought everything without tests, but they needed a test. Let them fly on a new plane and test on our territories. In India, our planes are too often crashed to land their flyers on PAKFA.
    5. +2
      13 September 2015 12: 35
      meriem1
      Requests however. Inuses are also more than cunning. The Chinese take over the experience.

      The requests are quite understandable - GET AN EXCELLENT BATTLE AIRPLANE - THE 5TH GENERATION UNIVERSAL IS PARALLEL WITH SETTING ANALOGU FOR CHINA IN THE BATTLE PARTS! After all, territorial claims of each other in TIBET are still not resolved ...
      And the protocol of intentions between the Russian Federation and India on the supply of finished 5th generation fighters and at the same time the deployment of their production under license in INDIA was signed a long time ago ...
      1. +2
        14 September 2015 14: 49
        as if without thorough preparation, one should not give LA to Indians.

        Quote: KazaK Bo
        GET AN EXCELLENT BATTLE AIRPLANE - THE 5TH GENERATION UNIVERSAL IS PARALLEL WITH THE SETTING ANALOGU FOR THE CHINESE AIR FORCE IN THE BATTLE PARTS !! After all, territorial claims of each other in TIBET are still not resolved ...

        their motives are purely personal and do not interest us. even though they will fight with the Martians.
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        And the protocol of intentions between the Russian Federation and India on the supply of finished 5th generation fighters and at the same time the deployment of their production under license in INDIA was signed a long time ago ...

        only now we promised them FGFA, not T-50 (PAK FA). let them wait. The fact that they pay some pathetic lard there is nothing compared to the development of a new generation of ready-made aircraft! without us, Indians are basically unable to achieve this. Another thing is to buy F-35. True, fighting with Chinese dryers on a penguin is not easy, I suppose. There would be an alternative, the Indians would have used it.
        Apparently, they do not disdain to differentiate purchases of military equipment.
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    6. +3
      13 September 2015 13: 01
      A combat aircraft, being put up for sale, is the same product as any car. Some kind of auto test drive is provided, for some not. The seller himself determines this question. But the organization of the T-50 test drive seems troublesome to me, since the price of the issue is high in the event of a tragic outcome and determining the reasons for such an outcome. But if they can foresee all the legal subtleties, then how much would not. If there was a spark, it would be easier. As one Indian in the cockpit is troublesome, unsure what is justified.
    7. 0
      13 September 2015 15: 57
      Let them roll their lips back, our army needs these airplanes before the shot, otherwise they are used to selling the latest equipment, Shoigu isn’t and you won’t shoe him.
    8. +6
      13 September 2015 16: 14
      Everything is fine, on the basis of the T-50 there is a Russian-Indian project FGFA. Now Indians want to get planes faster than with the entire FGFA program.
      And the fact that they want to buy ready-made aircraft is wonderful, more profit, less technology export.
    9. +2
      13 September 2015 16: 45
      I don’t know whether the Indians financed it already or not. If so, then they have the right. If not, but their pilot has a good raid on the Su-30 and is fluent in Russian - yes too. Billions of dollars are at stake. And the chance that they will promote the Americans for the same F-35 test, then they will tell :)
      1. 0
        17 September 2015 20: 52
        - Started to finance
        - I think their flight will be decent
        - Why not vice versa - the Americans about the T-50?
    10. +1
      13 September 2015 17: 38
      It seems to me that someone needs to moderate requests.
      1. +1
        13 September 2015 18: 33
        Well, I’m sure, it’s possible ... but on the external sling there are 10 Indians right away (well, it’s possible to enter the compartments inside). laughing .
        The request is not ethical. Initially, the contract and all related documents (about not transferring and selling to a third party, for example). And then, how without pilot training? Yes, and without training sparks, how to teach?
        It is one and the same thing that now the Yankees of Russian pilots on F-35 or 22 will be trained to fly. hi
    11. 0
      13 September 2015 23: 42
      This is "let me drive!" whether? laughing
    12. +2
      14 September 2015 11: 50
      People are interesting you read the article as, only the first lines ???

      He recalled that in 2007, the country "concluded an intergovernmental agreement on the joint production of T-50, then in December 2010, the Indian side allocated 295 million dollars for its preliminary development."

      “But three years ago, India slowed down this project, reducing its order from the original 166 single and 48 twin fighters to 127 single PAK FA single rooms,” said a military official. “At the same time, the total cost of the PAK FA project for India was marked at about 25 billion dollars, subject to the delivery of all 127 machines.”


      The issue has long been resolved, but you will give, we will not.
    13. 0
      15 September 2015 20: 49
      But are they not right? No one wants to buy a pig in a poke. It seems that the requests are justified and it makes sense to let the guys frolic. But did the men frolic on the F-35? That's the question.
    14. +1
      15 September 2015 20: 59
      Quote: meriem1
      Requests however. Inuses are also more than cunning. The Chinese take over the experience.

      In vain you are so.
      Initially, there was an agreement with the Indians on participation in the joint PAK FA project and possible joint production. Hindus just want to make sure that the project is worth investing in. All the same, for India it is a matter of national security.
  2. +6
    13 September 2015 10: 39
    Therefore, now India is considering the option of buying ready-made fighters from Russia in order to get them as quickly as possible. ”

    In the morning, fighter money in the evening ..... India seriously took up rearmament! Who are you going to fight with? We ourselves have not yet rearmament .. But the offer is tempting!
    1. +2
      13 September 2015 11: 30
      I agree with Meehan. Give money, we will build and drive to the blue of the blue! But, in our territory.
    2. +8
      13 September 2015 11: 35
      Well, firstly, India has always paid off and there are no debts written off. Secondly, you don’t hope that the United States will not bring its F-35s. The main thing is that it flies, albeit with restrictions, but it does. And therefore, it is necessary to intercept orders from the Americans. that the Indians glance in the direction of the Americans, I don’t think is a big obstacle. Today towards the USA, tomorrow towards our side. And having sold them airplanes, on the contrary we will tie them stronger to ourselves
      1. +2
        13 September 2015 15: 36
        In general, in order to try to "discuss" something, you need to familiarize yourself with this. Thanks to the partial financing of the Indians, the PAK-FA project appeared. Then their "movie-quirks" followed, the clever people began to press, doubt the best technical solution in comparison (with EFami) and moved away from the project. Well, then "gypsy motives." We returned to pay you three rubles a year for the completion of the aircraft.
        Quote: Amurets
        .Secondly, one should not hope that the United States will not bring its F-35s. Most importantly, it flies, although with restrictions, but flies

        If you leave the pan, it will fly too.
        And among the Indians, the goal is already visible at "one hundred pounds" and the F-35 can be thrown into the dustbin of history, although this is not a well-deserved "place of honor" for a "hearse" slowly but surely crawling into the cemetery.
        They promised to produce an automatic airgun (machine gun) in five years !!! (Combine it constructively) !!!! But why a gun if the very concept of using an airplane didn’t provide for it? Correctly, flight characteristics do not allow to avoid meeting with 4 ++ airplanes !! And ???! Right now! Hindus will wait !!
        And now they choose the type, look closely, although the answer is obvious !!!
  3. +7
    13 September 2015 10: 40
    Someone with the Indians in the Merikos with their F-35 does not dance. It can be seen that a really expensive flying log (to put it mildly) turned out.
    1. +15
      13 September 2015 10: 51
      India is asking for permission to test the PAK FA


      Let’s resolve it. "Propaganda by technology is the best propaganda" (Julian Semyonov)
      1. +4
        13 September 2015 11: 21
        Quote: djqnbdjqnb
        India is asking for permission to test the PAK FA


        Let’s resolve it. "Propaganda by technology is the best propaganda" (Julian Semyonov)

        I, too, for ...! Let them try the power of our military-industrial complex! Simplicity and reliability! They do not fight against our weapons ...
      2. 0
        15 September 2015 21: 38
        If you were allowed to fly a Su-30MKI in due time (which at the time of the conclusion of the contract was not commonplace in reality), then maybe the contract would not exist. Now India is not under sanctions.
    2. 0
      15 September 2015 21: 37
      India needs technology, and the F-35 is being offered as a finished product. Even the Jews were fighting to bargain for the right to "dig".
  4. +6
    13 September 2015 10: 41
    We must respect future customers. Is Sparka interesting to eat flying? Or while the study of single? Hindus insurance to let go on the same place ... alarmists
    1. -2
      13 September 2015 10: 44
      Quote: gas113
      Hindus insurance to let go on the same place ... alarmists

      And there, behind the curtain, behind the pilot's seat, our instructor will sit. Well, as in the joke about the Vietnamese pilot: "Move over, cross-eyed" laughing
    2. +3
      13 September 2015 11: 18
      The essence of the contract with India - it was planned specifically for the Indians to develop a spark - ours does not need it. And the question of testing is that the Indians have long been coveting that the PAK FA does not reach the parameters that were agreed upon and want to leave the project under this pretext.
      1. +2
        13 September 2015 11: 31
        Quote: VASh 1182
        PAK FA does not reach the parameters that were agreed upon and want to leave the project under this pretext.

        A good old price drop trick. I also liked the hints about the F-35 from the article. In general, the article is about nothing. If you sold it in advance, what is the conversation about? And the protection of secrets, so there are specialists for this who receive a salary for this.
  5. +6
    13 September 2015 10: 42
    something instrumentals the Indians. then let them ride an atomic submarine, then fly the T-50, but at the same time subtly remind about the F-35
    1. -1
      13 September 2015 10: 56
      india has no alternative to PAK FA, comparing t50 and f35 is like a pebble with a rock, but capricious too f35, india needs a serious argument in a political game with its neighbors, and collecting t50 is not t90, which they have is heavier than ours and they break them often, and by plane, if something is worth more than $ 300 million, India buys mig29 and upgrades the ones they have, they need a heavy car (f35 light), since they currently have a light one (mig29, mirage2000
  6. +5
    13 September 2015 10: 43
    Considering how India is now creeping under the USA, I think it’s not worth it to provide such an opportunity.
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 16: 43
      I agree completely! What for, they only took money from them ... In general, it is unclear with this market. Money doesn't smell. Anyone and anything. Only then how to fight them, if something happens. I'm not talking about Indians now, but in general. Do you think anyone is selling weapons?
  7. +5
    13 September 2015 10: 44
    Let them fly, they themselves must understand that it will be the best 5th generation aircraft in the world, they now fly on the SU-30 4 ++, the best in its class.
    1. +1
      13 September 2015 11: 04
      Quote: figvam
      best in class.

      for me, the best of these is the UFO SU-35S ...
  8. +6
    13 September 2015 10: 45
    And they will be able to simultaneously supply our Indians and upgrade our regiments with promising PAK-FA.
    1. +3
      13 September 2015 11: 03
      Quote: Younger, I
      And they will be able to simultaneously supply our Indians and upgrade our regiments with promising PAK-FA.


      This is already a slightly different question ... It seems to me that if ours had received a large order, it would be a wave-unwillingness - we would have to increase production capacities ... But we really need this ...
  9. +5
    13 September 2015 10: 47
    F-35 alternative to the T-50? But he didn’t roll around. What, Americans, who would have gotten Lockheed's miscarriage urgently? Hindus are neither Italians nor Spaniards; you cannot twist your hands. And the offer for the sale of finished T-50s is really tempting.
    1. -1
      13 September 2015 14: 52
      What does it mean you can’t twist your hands? It is not necessary, the pace of the purchase of Amer’s weapons by the Indians is increasing every year. And what is there to look for, it is already full of countries going to buy.
      And under the guise of an aircraft carrier Hindus throw them
  10. +2
    13 September 2015 10: 48
    The whole world is arming. And the Indians too. And there is someone to fight.
    1. +1
      13 September 2015 11: 43
      Quote: roskot
      The whole world is arming. And the Indians too. And there is someone to fight.

      On the question of "the whole world is arming itself."
      I really want to live until my first retirement, but I am more and more convinced that the world is on the eve of a grandiose nix ... And I already want to say "Yes, somebody already! I'm sick of it!"
    2. 0
      15 September 2015 16: 45
      In India - with Pakistan. Are we selling something to packs? Okay, the money doesn't smell. Well, yourself ...
  11. 0
    13 September 2015 10: 48
    And on fu-35 they were given?
  12. +2
    13 September 2015 10: 49
    India is growing as a country. Every year, he wants more and more equal military-technical cooperation:
    first assembly on its territory, and now partnership. When viewed from the side of the Indians, they are doing everything right! And we need to determine whether India is a third world country or an equal partner ...
  13. +7
    13 September 2015 10: 54
    Something I don’t like it ... And let them fly and give the planes as soon as possible, Yes, and the term (!) From 94 to 36 months ... Reduce times by 2,5 (!). What about us? Arm them first, then yourself? But isn’t it nonsense?
  14. +3
    13 September 2015 11: 01
    please give me an uncle to drink, otherwise I want to eat so that there’s no place to spend the night ...
  15. +3
    13 September 2015 11: 05
    There is a rule for bikers: UPAL-Bought
  16. 0
    13 September 2015 11: 05
    And they don’t want to hell ... try to compare, so to speak, an alternative to queries
    1. +3
      13 September 2015 11: 10
      Quote: sir_obs
      And they don’t want to hell ... try,



      Gotta give a try
  17. +1
    13 September 2015 11: 14
    This is a good thing ... if only it would not affect the country's defense capability!
  18. -1
    13 September 2015 11: 28
    India, undoubtedly, needs a fifth-generation fighter, which combines all the modern technologies and developments,

    Picky however. Why do they need this? Drive elephants through the jungle.
  19. +4
    13 September 2015 11: 30
    Great video .... Come on India you will not regret it!
    1. 0
      14 September 2015 14: 52
      video as if blah blah blah ....
      where does it have "new generation engines" ????
      AL-41F1, standing on the Su-35s. A new engine is being developed for him. Until it exists.
      and about the EPR - all this is speculation.
      that speed is also speculation.
  20. +4
    13 September 2015 11: 30
    Do not give! am Fuck the fuck ...
    A friend told me here how they sold the minesweeper to the Indians in the 70s. They poured him the whole engine room there, Cap finally could not appear on the ship before leaving for India, and the most important requirement for the alteration of the ship was that there would be a bar. Well, Kap’s cabin was increased by a factor of 2. But, he said, the main thing that struck him was that the Indians from Riga reached India !! He still does not understand: HOW ???
  21. +1
    13 September 2015 11: 31
    Only export options can be given or sold, but they are not yet available, the same aircraft that are intended for the Russian army cannot be shown, you never know.
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    1. +7
      13 September 2015 11: 38
      Quote: AdninSuka
      And all who do not agree to lick the fifth point to Putin, are minuscule.
      Most of the site is happy to receive a bone from the owner and work out the loot.

      Lord, where did this "miracle" come from? If you do not like the site, go to the Censor, they will teach you the pluses, do not hesitate.
    2. 0
      13 September 2015 11: 42
      How smart you are, it’s even scary. what
    3. +2
      13 September 2015 11: 43
      Quote: AdninSuka
      On this site, most commentators are a collection of degenerates,

      As I understand it, you, my colleague, can be congratulated on the foundation of a new department at VO - the department of clinical idiots! hi love
      Good luck to you, Founder. wink
  23. +1
    13 September 2015 11: 35
    test PAK FA

    And then the T-14 in battle. The navel will not untie?
  24. 0
    13 September 2015 12: 04
    Quote: roskot
    Picky however. Why do they need this?
    So they have long "friendly" relations with Pakistan.
  25. +1
    13 September 2015 12: 04
    In the current situation in aircraft engineering, the export version from the non-export version may differ in the absence of some software elements, and of the presence of "tricky bookmarks". The complexity of the software of a modern fighter is prohibitive, it has been debugged over the years, and modifying it, or discovering "bookmarks" seems beyond the capabilities of any organization.
    So let them fly. There are no instruments in the cockpit, only multifunctional displays, which you don't need to see will not be shown. And the flight characteristics of our aircraft - they will bring any pilot to orgasm, everyone saw what this machine can do in the air. India is quietly trolling the mattress with their F-35s, and rightly so. But the Indians can conduct a training battle with both the Rafal and the Lightning. Who will stop them? This will be an advertisement!
    1. +1
      13 September 2015 13: 40
      yes no with F-35 India, it seems trying to troll us.
    2. 0
      13 September 2015 13: 40
      yes no with F-35 India, it seems trying to troll us.
  26. 0
    13 September 2015 12: 08
    First of all, the country's leadership must decide for itself whether we will sell it in the near future, as well as evaluate the capacity and finally understand how much we can produce them per year. Determine the real needs of our air forces and the saturation period. The main question is whether we can we supply this machine to ourselves, while exporting it (it’s clear that in the export version), while completely rejecting offers to sell a batch of aircraft in one squadron ... one thing is clear, of course you need to sell, because the same money will be needed to produce aircraft for the needs of their own Air Force.
    And the car is just lovely, I'm sure the pilots dream of flying on this.
    1. +2
      13 September 2015 12: 23
      Already everyone has decided on everything - only 12 pieces will be purchased ...
  27. +3
    13 September 2015 12: 10
    In my opinion, they made an offer which is difficult to refuse and why not
  28. +5
    13 September 2015 12: 10
    No one thought why the Americans are not afraid to sell their weapons left and right to everyone ??? The answer is simple - selling weapons to countries gives leverage over these countries (through maintenance, spare parts, modernization, you can simply blackmail countries, I’m silent about electronic bookmarks) ... And they sell weapons to allies or potential allies (whom they would like to see on their side ) ...
  29. 0
    13 September 2015 12: 17
    Let them take the F-35. As the engine fails, it is the one with the F-35, so they will resort to us for the export version of the PAK FA.Mashin is still in service with us and they are already asking for testing.
    It will be slapped to the ground, and then we will have to give it to everyone to sell the export version of PAK FA, otherwise they won’t buy it (the Indians crashed).
  30. 0
    13 September 2015 12: 19
    I was pleased with the phrase "India is asking permission to test the PAK FA." Why are they going to test that he takes off, flies and lands? To test the new capabilities of technology, you need to theoretically know it well, have a flight time of at least 400 hours, have a long flight time and thoroughly know a similar aircraft.

    Like the Indians decided to bargain, then with France, then with us, then with the Yankees ...
  31. +2
    13 September 2015 12: 21
    The United States first rearm itself, and only then begin to sell it to other countries, and the USSR also had it, and now we have the line that we sell the latest weapons (ships, tanks, armored vehicles, etc.) to everyone, and we’re happy with the dozen aircraft when they enter the air force. Idiocy. No tests! We will arm ourselves, and then sell the Indians, and then only the previous generation of cars!
  32. +4
    13 September 2015 12: 31
    What are you detailing? This is just a test drive for future buyers. wink
  33. +7
    13 September 2015 12: 38
    (purely in my opinion)
    What is wrong with the production of export models for the Indian order?
    I see only the pros:
    1) additional production
    2) at the same time, you can improve young personnel (gradually adding them to teams)
    3) reprofiling of these industries after the completion of the contract for the production of their own aircraft
    4) again, financing that will never be superfluous
    5) invaluable experience for everyone (improvements and stuff)
    6) the binding of India to the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation
  34. +1
    13 September 2015 12: 46
    India is now considering buying ready-made fighters from Russia to get them as quickly as possible

    Against whom are they accelerating? Is China really?
  35. +1
    13 September 2015 12: 53
    Quote: meriem1
    Requests however. Inuses are also more than cunning. The Chinese take over the experience.

    Well, how? Each for himself.
  36. +1
    13 September 2015 12: 56
    You can test. Only Spark, with our test pilot in the lead seat. No more. And then on their own, Indian flyers, they will kill the car.
    1. +2
      13 September 2015 13: 01
      He (T-50) is a single ...
    2. 0
      13 September 2015 14: 26
      They’ll kill, they’ll pay what’s wrong here, and if they don’t kill and the plane will prove to be excellent, it’s super advertising, Russia needs money, it needs a market, the more planes we sell, the more money we will get for maintenance, or it’s better to sit on an oil needle, but don't sell high-tech products to anyone
    3. 0
      13 September 2015 14: 26
      And then on their own, Indian flyers, they will kill the car.
      C'mon, why so. Hindus on Sushki tore all kinds of indonesia - only shreds of rubber flew.
  37. 0
    13 September 2015 13: 40
    I would not just allow it to be tested, but first I taught (I hope everyone understands that for a moderate fee). The principle of trade has long been known: "Show the product with your face". Have you bought any equipment yourself? Then - must know.
    Business ties, contracts, cash flows (possible in Indian rupees), flight training, - replenishment of the treasury, the development of its defense industry.
    And as regards secrecy, you can ask specialists that there are so many parts, components and devices on the plane that a small marriage (flaw, inept manufacturing without observing production technologies) turns a modern machine into a bunch (in our case, a bunch) of scrap metal ... good
    1. 0
      13 September 2015 13: 47
      And if you decide to buy a launch vehicle, first you ask the test to fly?
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 21: 39
        Undoubtedly. Hindus generally are going to produce them.
    2. 0
      13 September 2015 13: 47
      And if you decide to buy a launch vehicle, first you ask the test to fly?
  38. 0
    13 September 2015 13: 50
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: ancient
    . "compare" with the T-50 pilatage at the extreme MAX

    It would be interesting to hear your opinion! hi

    Ever since I saw what the LII testers are doing on Su27, I always considered the 27 standard to be a fighter! But T50-ETVAS! 27-th, it seems to me, can not ...
    1. 0
      15 September 2015 21: 32
      Quote: gast arbeiter
      Quote: Stroporez
      Quote: ancient
      . "compare" with the T-50 pilatage at the extreme MAX

      It would be interesting to hear your opinion! hi

      Ever since I saw what the LII testers are doing on Su27, I always considered the 27 standard to be a fighter! But T50-ETVAS! 27-th, it seems to me, can not ...

      Cameraman filming? No, this is not a plane! So planes do not fly. MiG-29 flies fantastic. Su-27 and 35 contrary to all laws. T-50 does not fly. It is somehow called differently. Is this not a montage or camera angle?
  39. +1
    13 September 2015 13: 59
    Uncle, give me ten cents, I say ...

    Maybe you also have the keys to the apartment, where ...
  40. +1
    13 September 2015 14: 23
    test
    Fat, fat, shaw its test?
  41. +1
    13 September 2015 15: 27
    Anyway, we will have to give them several planes for testing, so let them try now and express their comments and suggestions. If the current version suits you and they want to take it, let them buy it, and we will finalize our version with the proceeds to the ideal and move on to the series with our improvements. Moreover, as far as I understand our military they see this plane as a transitional stage to the sixth generation. They want precisely unmanned vehicles. Pilots of the road, most likely the future will be with the PAKD flying launching platforms (unmanned) and high-altitude fighters (suborbital). Well this is not my competent opinion.
  42. 0
    13 September 2015 16: 44
    Quote: anEkeName
    Design, assemble and test, how much will fit

    But in this case, then you should not be offended that during the competitions they will choose not Russia, but another country as the supplier of any equipment.
    With this logic, it is generally possible to place the krem ​​on military-technical cooperation with other countries. Because there is someone on VO who, like Baba Yaga, will be against it. They don't like the Saud, then China, now India ... Who's next? Belarus?
  43. 0
    13 September 2015 18: 17
    Quote: Garris199
    And not the fact that it will appear at all. According to the expected level of automation, a co-pilot will not be needed. A large flashlight will probably affect the radar signature. And to do UB modification when there are simulators, there is a Yak-130, there is a SU-30, finally, there is no need. Fly and learn.

    Yeah. And everyone is so dumb that they continue to make two-seater aircraft despite the availability of simulators and initial training aircraft
    Will you train pilots for the T-30 on the SU-50? Fresh, very fresh

    Quote: BMP-2
    It seems to me that a training battle with the Indians is always welcome. But "testing" is a completely different level of military-technical cooperation.

    And what is our level of military-technical cooperation? Isn't it enough?

    Quote: war and peace
    on simulators, there and test. They don’t understand that the plane is secret?

    When you pass on your license, do you pass them on the simulator or still by car? Or the second option. Do you want to buy a certain car, SUV, for example. You ask the seller a question: "How does the car drive on asphalt, or on wet asphalt, or on the ground?" And what does the seller answer to you? "Here is a simulator, sit down and test these modes"? Or is it different?

    Quote: stock buildbat
    Something I don’t like it ... And let them fly and give the planes as soon as possible, Yes, and the term (!) From 94 to 36 months ... Reduce times by 2,5 (!). What about us? Arm them first, then yourself? But isn’t it nonsense?

    Have you heard this expression: "The customer is always right"? The buyer decides whether to buy something from you, if you offer him a "product", in 8 years, and he needs it in 3 years or not. What are we? We need to decide whether to continue to cooperate with a country with a population of over a billion, sufficiently developed in certain directions and ready for close economic and military-technical cooperation, or to push them away? There are a lot of people willing to sell weapons. And leaving the market once (for this reason) can you lose it altogether or stay in third or fourth roles and sell weapons exclusively to African countries ??

    Quote: lozman
    And if you decide to buy a launch vehicle, first you ask the test to fly?

    Quite right. For example, no one has such a test as the royal "seven". And without knowing the results of such tests, France would hardly have bought our "Unions".
    Yes, and buying missile systems for any purpose (tactical, anti-aircraft, anti-tank), buyers are present during testing or themselves participate in them ...
  44. 0
    13 September 2015 18: 41
    Why not! Bind the Indian to the pylon in the rocket compartment (there will be a 2nd pilot's place) and let him test! laughing
  45. 0
    13 September 2015 21: 38
    what boron cheese I do not understand ?! because for export cars always sell with lower performance characteristics and here for india they will make one of their export option and give it a try!
  46. +1
    13 September 2015 22: 02
    Quote: HMR333
    what boron cheese I do not understand ?! because for export cars always sell with lower performance characteristics and here for india they will make one of their export option and give it a try!

    We always did that. But here's the catch. The times of blocs and two superpowers have passed. And now, when the question becomes what to take. Version, like the creator of a car (airplane or air defense system), or with lower ones, which car do you take?
  47. 0
    13 September 2015 22: 20
    Well, something can be shown. Rollers, cab. Partially TTX.
    They are unlikely to succeed in flying. So far, probably, their own have not flown. )
    But the lure is worth it just pecking.
    The main thing is not to give it to the Chinese, otherwise you will have to do PAK FA2 right away! ))).
  48. 0
    13 September 2015 22: 25
    Quote: Dan Slav
    Well, something can be shown. Rollers, cab. Partially TTX.

    And you would buy, if the place of what you are asking is to give your test pilots to test you will be offered rollers, a cockpit, partly performance characteristics. It's actually called "Poke a Pig in a Poke".
  49. 0
    13 September 2015 23: 02
    in general, I condemn the very idea of ​​trading 5th generation aircraft ... are they going to sell armature too?
  50. 0
    13 September 2015 23: 29
    Quote: Smoke
    in general, I condemn the very idea of ​​trading 5th generation aircraft ... are they going to sell armature too?

    Demand creates supply. Nobody needs third-generation aircraft now. Even the fourth, if they are not 4+ or 4 ++ may not be in demand. Especially if such machines are already in service with a country that wants to buy a generation 5 aircraft. The same is with tanks. If the same India, armed with the T-90, wants to buy the "Armata", then what will we offer it? "Armata" or will we say, buy from us the modernized T-90, or the most sophisticated latest version of the T-72? Such orders can revive (unless, of course, they have completely destroyed) the plant in Omsk ...
  51. +1
    13 September 2015 23: 37
    The Indian segment of the Internet is filled with gossip about the “sores” of the PAK FA - from maximum speed to the efficiency of the aircraft’s CSS.
    The cost of the joint project is impressive and the “verification” is being carried out rather in a political direction - after a number of corruption scandals in the Indian Defense Ministry during the organization of tenders for the purchase of high-tech equipment.
    Since the final vehicles are already in Vladimirovka for “full testing” of their weapons systems and combat use, I don’t see any fundamental reasons for refusing this request (Indians view this somewhat differently - fly on anything, but you definitely pay for any breakdown yourself)
  52. +1
    13 September 2015 23: 49
    Quote: Old26
    Will you train pilots for the T-30 on the SU-50? Fresh, very fresh

    It smelled like an uneducated bastard... where did all this arrogance and aggression towards your interlocutors come from, young man?

    It’s no secret that initially pilots for the T-50 were trained on the SU-30/35.
    Or do you think that test pilots had this skill pumped directly into their brains, like in The Matrix?
    1. 0
      14 September 2015 00: 11
      Earth, you don’t seem to know who you’re throwing a barrel at, You’re a respected old man. You'll understand soon, I hope.
  53. +1
    14 September 2015 00: 17
    Quote: serverny
    It’s no secret that initially pilots for the T-50 were trained on the SU-30/35.

    No one has yet trained pilots for the T-50. And test pilots trained on machines with a similar aerodynamic design. And no i.d.iot will train combat pilots for the T-50 on the SU-35. This is why sparks have always been made and will be made. Will you also conduct flights for T-50 pilots after vacations on the SU-30/35?

    And they didn’t ask themselves the question, why are there twins in combat units? And in TsBPiPLS?
  54. 0
    14 September 2015 05: 50
    The PAK FA is still an internal and closed project, and India, with its appetites, should be more modest, but we should remember the history of their purchase of our T-90s, oh, and they were abused then...
  55. 0
    14 September 2015 15: 46
    Quote: Hagakure
    I would not give ..

    Well, how to give...
    in December 2010, the Indian side allocated $295 million

    After all, these are reliable buyers. I don’t remember any complaints about them as Chinese. Just don’t let them collect in India, otherwise what will happen with Sushki is a drop in the quality of those collected from them...
  56. 0
    14 September 2015 21: 23
    Let's not forget who paid huge sums for the Pak-Fa project with one engine, the Indians, and to hell with you... plus Russia is India's number one strategic partner!!!!! soldier
  57. 0
    15 September 2015 14: 26
    Quote: KazaK Bo
    The requests are quite understandable - GET AN EXCELLENT BATTLE AIRPLANE - THE 5TH GENERATION UNIVERSAL IS PARALLEL WITH SETTING ANALOGU FOR CHINA IN THE BATTLE PARTS! After all, territorial claims of each other in TIBET are still not resolved ...
    And the protocol of intentions between the Russian Federation and India on the supply of finished 5th generation fighters and at the same time the deployment of their production under license in INDIA was signed a long time ago ...

    Deploying production under license is considered selling all the secrets. Our authorities don’t understand that it’s difficult for us to create additional jobs. Maybe I'm wrong, but f 22 and f 35 are not made under license anywhere
  58. 0
    15 September 2015 15: 06
    Was this question “India asking for permission to test the PAK FA” brought up for public discussion? Russia has specially trained people authorized to make decisions on these issues! Some kind of kindergarten - I would give it, I wouldn’t give it!
  59. 0
    15 September 2015 15: 44
    CAUTION! Maybe this is a Trojan horse. India has been glitching for some reason in recent years. The button was probably taken over the horizon.
  60. 0
    15 September 2015 17: 39
    look in the sky and test, they want to cheat again
  61. 0
    15 September 2015 21: 07
    At one time, the Indians refused to jointly develop an analogue of the T-50, but a 2-seater one - they regretted the money or hoped to buy an American one, it is not clear. This slowed down the development of the T-50, which is why plans for the T-50 were delayed by 1.5 years (problems with financing the project). And now, when it’s almost ready, “uncle, let me steer,” and we’ll toss in some money, but later. Not all the latest weapons need to be sold, even to potential partners in different BRICs! hi
  62. 0
    15 September 2015 21: 30
    Cameraman, how did you film? No, this is not a plane! That's not how planes fly. The MiG-29 flies fantastic. Su-27 and 35 contrary to all laws. The T-50 doesn't fly. It's called something else. Isn't it editing or camera angle?

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