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New Russia: to be or not to be? Foreword

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According to the already established tradition, before we begin a new cycle of materials, we are doing something like an introduction. Or, if you want, the preface.


Our subsequent materials will be devoted to the New Russia (despite the fact that this term is a little out of daily use, or it is derived). But since our materials will be somewhat specific, here are the answers to some questions that arise almost after each of our publications. It does not matter, we write together or separately.

1. On whose mill the water flows.

We say once and we will not repeat again. We pour water on the mill of New Russia. The one that started to be organized a year ago. And both took a direct part in this process. One with personal experience and weapons, the second with cunning, the support of readers of "Ferris" and the truck. Here to each his own, who on what he studied. But they took the most direct part.

And precisely because they took this most direct part, and did not sit exactly on the perch, that is to say on the couch, and did not try to be clever with it, this is what gives us the right to express our opinion and analyze with our heads what is happening there now.

And what is happening in the territory that we call Novorossia with stubbornness of maniacs, we do not like. For very, very many reasons. And we are going to talk about them as openly as circumstances allow. But more about that below.

Some readers vividly expressed their discontent with the alleged change of opinion. Especially, by the way, a certain Odessa, who allegedly lives in Donetsk, and a resident of Kiev, who allegedly lives in Lugansk. You can say anything, but the IP gives. But God be their judge, our caravan one horseradish will go wherever the leader sees fit.

Yes, some change of direction has occurred. But not because we are tired of jumping with shouts of “High live New Russia!”, But because such global changes are taking place in Novorossia itself that only an abnormal or a zombie will continue to ride. And since we are almost normal and not zombies, we will write what we see ourselves and what people send from there.

2. "Said" A "- say" B. "

So once I wrote to the Banshee one not very happy reader. Yes, from the flow of information that we receive, not all can be published, as much as we would like. For a very simple reason: as with the doctor, the journalist must have the principle of "do no harm."

People trust us, and sometimes they share things that are painful. And they say such things in their hearts, which they then begin to regret. And yes, I want to, oh, how sometimes I want to throw it out, because it is simply necessary to know some aspects of life there. But it is impossible.

Having said "B", you can safely send a person to the basement. This is at best. And it happens worse. There, they say, the DRG Ukrainian as a walk at home. And people just disappear. As for example, Sasha "Combat" Taranenko, commander of the battalion "8 company" and SVD "Berkut" disappeared. Just took a man and disappeared. As in the center of the city journalist Dima Hau disappeared in broad daylight. But if Dima was “found”, then Alexander cannot be found for more than two months. But we are looking for.

Therefore it is necessary to veil. In order not to harm. And since we respect people who share with us information, in particular, which runs counter to that on TV, we will try not to burn them further.

3. About the readers themselves.

It is clear that we do not write for our own pleasure, but in order to read. And in order that if you do not give the "hot" information (and this is not the format of our site is designed), then at least properly delivered analysis and conclusions.

Some materials, completely ignored by the main consumers of our work in Novorossia, oddly enough, brought very peculiar results. People started to come out to us from there and confirm much of what went on in the discharge “I, of course, could be wrong,” “perhaps under certain circumstances,” and the like.

Yes, the articles about Purgin and Pushilin have not been reprinted by any DNR website. No one. And, it should be noted, they took materials with enviable regularity. And then - zero. This says a lot, and we will return to this issue in one of the first publications.

But the Internet shut up his mouth quite difficult, even in the DNI. So find. And we were impressed by one letter as the topic of a future article. Just a short quote, let's go back to the rest.

"The fact that we still have some kind of mess here is everyone knows, or I hope that we know. But it is very important to know what is happening and understand what is happening here."

So we work as if on two fronts. And the fact that we write, even if it is not to everyone’s taste, is called “objective opinion”.

If someone does not like what we write, it is not clear that there is no “drive” in the form of burnt tanks, winning stories and other things - do not read. Do not spoil your mood. Read about Syria, for example. Syria is not very interesting to us, this is big politics, besides, Syria is where, and Ukraine is at hand. Especially with Banshee. So we will still give her a lot of attention.

Why - in one of the first publications.

Yes, from the Ukrainian-Donbass theme, everyone is already getting tired. But our opinion - everything is just beginning. And the continuation may follow not quite what we all counted on a year ago.
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  1. EGOrkka
    EGOrkka 14 September 2015 06: 17 New
    +5
    To be or not to be is not a question. On the agenda is the question - what will New Russia be? And here, not everything is so simple and simple .....
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 14 September 2015 06: 43 New
      +10
      To be honest, I was disappointed that the conflict was frozen and hung in the air ... I believe that Putin missed an important time in the 2014 year, when it was possible to take Kiev warm ...
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 14 September 2015 14: 32 New
        -1
        Quote: Scandinavian
        To be honest, I was disappointed that the conflict was frozen and hung in the air ... I believe that Putin missed an important time in 2014when it was possible to take Kiev warm ...

        ====
        yes, some education from a number of regions of Ukraine would be a more acceptable result, and they would not risk fighting against half of the country. but sanctions would be much more painful, and maybe isolation of the Russian Federation to some extent
      2. Vega
        Vega 14 September 2015 21: 52 New
        +1
        I am not disappointed, since at that moment Russia was doing what it could diplomatically in Ukraine, and the main direction of its activity was the Middle East, which very few people paid attention to.
    2. vladek64
      vladek64 14 September 2015 09: 21 New
      +13
      Quote: EGOrkka
      To be or not to be is not a question. On the agenda is the question - what will New Russia be?


      I would not be so sure that the question is not worth it. Very worth it. And while the idea itself is actively discredited by those who deal with it, this question will be raised.
      Two of the most important points that can "close" the issue with New Russia for a long time: personnel and idea.
      1. Personnel. Who is involved in Novorossia? Tsarev? Shooters? Is there someone who is associated with the concept of "New Russia"? Or is it a street child?

      For example: well, the “present” Novorossia cannot arouse sympathy in Dnepropetrovsk, while the “head” of Novorossia is Tsarev, who, together with Krasnov, was led by the land deriban in Dnipro. My friend worked for Tsarev. His opinion about him: "a man greedy and petty."

      2. The idea of ​​New Russia. Does she even exist?
      Just do not mumble about the "socially-oriented" state. What is it even mumbling can not explain. Will there be oligarchs in New Russia? Will there be banks with usurious interest? Will the Central Bank of New Russia belong to New Russia or the Rothschilds? On whose property will the welfare of the state be based? On the property of Akhmetov and Kolomoisky? And a lot of questions that the “Novorossiysk” pass around in silence.
      And this silence indicates that they either do not know the answers to these questions, or they themselves are paid by the oligarchs.
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 14 September 2015 16: 40 New
        -3
        vladek64
        I would not be so sure that the question is not worth it. Very worth it.


        ...... separate the flies from the cutlets. 1. The DNI and LC are? THERE IS!! 2. Is state building in the form of elected and executive bodies going? Coming !! 3. Mutual relations in the republics - established? IMPROVED !!
        Bad, good, these, not these, but it’s necessary ........ everyday life! Good luck to NEW RUSSIA! drinks
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 14 September 2015 17: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: EGOrkka
          . DNI and LC-is? THERE IS!!

          No. There are ORDILOSOS, separate districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions with special status. Everyone signed the Minsk Protocol, and Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky. Therefore, the formation can be called Ordilososia. laughing
          1. EGOrkka
            EGOrkka 15 September 2015 03: 47 New
            0
            baltika-18
            No. There is ORDILOSOS, certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions with special status



            ..... And what does that change then ?????????????????? FOR NEWS bully drinks bully
      2. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 15 September 2015 03: 56 New
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        vladek64
        I wouldn’t be so sure


        ... so you can be sure or not sure .... these are purely your problems! You can’t build New Russia !!! No one says that there are no problems and will not be. The main thing is people - and they will build what they want and can !!
    3. Kaluzhanin
      Kaluzhanin 14 September 2015 10: 36 New
      +9
      Domokl, Banshee, you are brave when you write such articles. You now need to buy the armor, otherwise you can suffer for the truth. Ugh three times and knock-knock on wood.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 14 September 2015 11: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: Kalujanin
        Domokl, Banshee, you are brave when you write such articles. You now need to buy the armor, otherwise you can suffer for the truth.

        They don’t need “broniki” right now. And in a year or two, when the new authorities of Ukraine and Russia will rake the garbage there. And the play there temporarily stops its work, because there is no final decision (meaning war). And at least you guys sign up absolutely nothing will change from this. And it’s better to drop it all before you go too far, because you can suffer later. I have warned you, especially Roman: if you don’t understand the essence of what is happening, don’t meddle. New Russia is only in your mind, it no, it never was and never will be. This word was exploited last year, it fulfilled its task and was forgotten about it. But it was needed to attract people and for no other reason. Someone bought it, someone didn’t. Each has its own.
        1. domokl
          domokl 14 September 2015 17: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          They will not need "broniki" right now.

          Kohl, well, I don’t suffer from anuresis ... And Roman does not suffer ... We have normal health.
          If I plugged the lingual = k in the ass, you would be the first to spit in my face and be right. If I said something, then I know what I'm talking about ..
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 14 September 2015 20: 11 New
            0
            Quote: domokl
            .If I said something, then I know what I'm talking about ..

            I thought it necessary to warn you, because even if I’ve corresponded in absentia, I have known you for a long time. And I also know what I’m talking about. The right to choose is always given, the main thing is not to make a mistake in choosing. And to smart people, I would never spit in my face, I respect reason even if he is mistaken.
        2. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 15 September 2015 04: 14 New
          0
          baltika-18
          because there is no final decision
          better throw it all before you go too far
          for subsequently it will be possible to suffer


          ... the fact of the matter is that Novorossia has the best starting conditions for economic development, it has no credit burden !!!! She does not have to creditors ..... wink
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 14 September 2015 21: 43 New
      +1
      Will you New Russia, a student. If Comrade Saahov wants, of course. winked
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  2. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 14 September 2015 06: 23 New
    +16
    "Said" A "- say" B ".

    Since May last year, a trend has been outlined in the leadership of the Russian Federation towards the gradual discharge of New Russia and its pushing back to Ukraine. Especially after the Boeing. Independent leaders from Novorossia were removed, and crooks were appointed. I, as a native of Gorlovka, albeit a citizen of the Russian Federation since 1993 of the year, am sad to see this.

    After all, this is not just a betrayal of the Russians of Ukraine - it is a betrayal of the interests of Russia, which essentially forges a military threat against itself.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 September 2015 06: 36 New
      +8
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Since May last year, the leadership of the Russian Federation outlined a trend for the gradual discharge of New Russia
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 14 September 2015 06: 44 New
        +12
        Alexander, you brought a typical episode of the information war, which is now being waged against our patriotic population. It’s just that those who are outraged by the situation will be called cowards, alarmists, etc. Like, there was a panic here - and in general, they know better upstairs ... Passed by. Meanwhile, they insist that "there is no alternative to Minsk." “Minsk” is back to the fascists, to “united Ukraine”.
        Militias are purely humanly understandable; they do not want to understand that they are being betrayed. In addition, there is good reason to believe that some network characters who pretend to be fighters of New Russia are not, in fact, those.
        1. avt
          avt 14 September 2015 09: 11 New
          +6
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Alexander, you brought a typical episode of the information war, which is now being waged against our patriotic population.

          Yeah
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Since May last year, a trend has been outlined in the leadership of the Russian Federation towards the gradual discharge of New Russia and its pushing back to Ukraine. Especially after the Boeing

          It certainly isn’t
          Quote: Kibalchish
          a typical episode of information warfare,

          This is the cry of the soul
          Quote: Kibalchish
          . I, as a native of Gorlovka, albeit a citizen of the Russian Federation since 1993, bitterly see this.

          wassat But can you still think? Well, at least about the same New Russia? How many factually revolted areas? What are the quantitative losses from switching to the side of the people's militia / army from the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Doesn’t it bother you? Well, at least the lack of a real partisan movement in the Kharkov region, well, there’s no one there who would get close to Kovpak. The underground may be there, intelligence is there. Well, now the notorious driving to Minsk. Yesterday I already wrote - in the East, they scrambled with USA not only for Ukraine, but for Europe as a whole with USA. ,, The Minsk format "does not provide for the direct participation of USA, although they climb there, but only by means of laying the Kiev regime, which The GDP, which he has repeatedly stated, wants to FORCE through the Minsk format "to directly negotiate with the current leadership of Donetsk and Lugansk, and even force the Franks and Germans to guarantee these actions. This is a very effective, naturally diplomatic, process of LEGITIZATION of the DNI and LC as SUBJECTS INTERNATIONAL LAW! Well, let it be at the interstate level within Ukraine, and not international, but this format provides for negotiations directly and now, without future elections, which is automatically a sickle for eggs and other giblets. And Offal in Kiev understands this and constantly screams about that that de will talk only with the legitimately elected authorities in Donetsk and Lugansk, and we, it’s not for nothing that the witch Nuland flew in — she’ll definitely spin the war under Putin’s speech at the UN. Yes, the Minsk format "is already an aspen stake in Ukraine, and it is being driven with the help of Europeans across the will of usa. If Potorh agrees to DIRECT, and even successful negotiations on REAL" autonomy "take longer than snowy who will go CONFEDERATIZATION of the regions of Ukraine and the first in the list will not even be eastern or southern - zapadentsi.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 September 2015 10: 14 New
          -2
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Just those who are outraged by the situation will be called cowards, alarmists, etc.

          These patriots are now constantly yelling on all branches that Russia merged. Many did not like the situation in Syria and every second koment was Putin merged. Where are all those who yelled about plums here ??? Constantly and thoughtlessly write this and often not from a great mind, but due to the fact that Nichrome is not aware of this or that situation and they perceive any article with criticism as the last resort.
          1. Kibalchish
            Kibalchish 14 September 2015 12: 48 New
            +5
            It absolutely does not matter who, when and why rebelled. There are facts. In fact, we have:

            1) Absolutely anti-Russian regime in Kiev, which directly speaks of the war with us, and broadcasts propaganda that the Russians should be slaves. This mode Moscow, I recall, RECOGNIZED.

            2) What kind of confederation can we talk about if Poroshenko directly declares that there is only "one Kraina"? He recognizes only "certain areas", from among those that now control the BCH. Autonomy for Donbass? OK. A reference to the contract, the draft Constitution or simply a declaration of intent, where this is stipulated.

            3) No avalanche-like federalization, confederalization, and other things can now be imagined. Kiev every month more and more firmly controls the situation. A collapse is possible only with a new coup, and even that is not a fact.

            4) How do the Minsk Agreements legitimize the DPR and LPR as a subject of relations? A quote from the document, please, or we will assume that this is a fantasy.


            If all this is no reason to panic, then what is the reason? Abrams and Leopards outside the window? Or a speech by the commander of the NATO occupation forces on Channel One? No, guys, I’d rather be a alarmist for now.
            1. Arkon
              Arkon 14 September 2015 16: 10 New
              0
              "If all this is no reason to panic, then what is the reason? Abrams and Leopards outside the window? Or a speech by the commander of the NATO occupation forces on Channel One? No, guys, I’d better stay alarmist for now."


              Some kind of hysteria ... belay

              1) Absolutely anti-Russian regime in Kiev, which directly speaks of the war with us, and broadcasts propaganda that the Russians should be slaves. This mode Moscow, I recall, RECOGNIZED.


              So what? The states also have an absolutely anti-Russian regime. What now, do not recognize them? Align with the landscape?

              What kind of confederation can we talk about if Poroshenko expressly declares that there is only "one Kraina"?


              You recall what else Poroshenko said? With what should we listen to not quite healthy people? Maybe even listen to Sahak?

              4) How do the Minsk Agreements legitimize the DPR and LPR as a subject of relations? A quote from the document, please, or we will assume that this is a fantasy.


              Oh yoyo what
            2. avt
              avt 14 September 2015 17: 38 New
              0
              Quote: Kibalchish
              If all this is no reason to panic, then what is the reason? Abrams and Leopards outside the window? Or a speech by the commander of the NATO occupation forces on Channel One? No, guys, I’d rather be a alarmist for now.

              Quote: Arkon
              Some kind of hysteria ...

              Well, stay, just remind me what they do with wartime alarmists ?? wassat Do not say? And here is my late father, who, as a kid of 11 years old, found a couple of panic days in Moscow in the autumn of 1941, told what the NKVD troops were doing with alarmists then according to wartime laws.
              Quote: Kibalchish
              4) How do the Minsk Agreements legitimize the DPR and LPR as a subject of relations? A quote from the document, please, or we will assume that this is a fantasy.

              Quote: Arkon
              Oh yoyo

              Yes, and fool Nothing in the “Minsk format” France, Germany and Russia signed as GUARANTEES of agreements, rather than PARTICIPATION? Can you think and say who are the parties to the conflict then? And for one, you’ll understand why Poros constantly screams that Russia is not fulfilling, although he they answer - Russia is a guarantor, go in accordance with the signed papers, coordinate with the leadership of the LDNR in accordance with the clauses of the signed agreement. And he answered - I do not recognize and I will not agree on anything. The Minsk format "ALREADY gave a side result - before the vote on the change in the constitution in Lviv and Zaporozhye, the local authorities standing there made a run about the fact that they also had special privileges for the panbanism. Having heard this, Poros several times went on the air — my de amendment DOESN’T GIVE ANYTHING — tilka of unacquina. Well, instead of being an alarmist, they would have taken and analyzed the picture as a whole, without tearing out of the total volume only what runs into or doesn't like.
              1. Kibalchish
                Kibalchish 14 September 2015 18: 26 New
                +3
                Quote: avt
                Well, stay, just remind me what they do with wartime alarmists ?? Do not say? But to me, here is the late father, who caught a couple of panic days in Moscow in the autumn of 11 as a kid of 1941, telling in the fall of XNUMX what the NKVD troops then did according to the wartime laws.



                Yeah, but at the same time remind me when we introduced martial law and declared wartime. And then I missed something this wonderful fact! I’m sitting at the TV set, and from there they pour in to me that we have only friends and partners around. Only the "Islamic State" bad ah-ah-ah =)))
                1. avt
                  avt 14 September 2015 19: 02 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kibalchish
                  Yeah, but at the same time remind me when we introduced martial law and declared wartime.

                  Where do you have it? Again, panic - now it's safe ..... for now
                  Quote: Kibalchish
                  I’m sitting at the TV set, and from there they pour in to me that we have only friends and partners around. Only the "Islamic State" bad ah-ah-ah =)))

                  Oh how! laughing Nah! Squeezing a savior under the Roman goose will not work. He called himself a panic-maker - come up to the wall facing you, wait, smell the brick - practice wartime. laughing
                  1. Kibalchish
                    Kibalchish 14 September 2015 21: 13 New
                    +2
                    Quote: avt
                    smell the brick - practice wartime.


                    I'm afraid to imagine that you like to smell, judging by your posts.

                    Apparently, this is one of those things that you better not know.
            3. g1v2
              g1v2 14 September 2015 17: 59 New
              +2
              On the road there is a rule of three d - give the road d-u-r-a-k-u. If some stupid person flies in violation of the rules - skip it, he will find where to break his head. Let me remind you how the last Maidan ended - after 4 years, Yushchenko's rating was 1 PERCENT. And how it all began in 2004. laughing The rating of the rabbit is 0 percent, the piglet is from 10 to 20. And this is not our data. So far, at the front, the calm of Natsik began a showdown with a pig - Odessa, Kiev, Transcarpathia, Kharkov and so on. Petya has no options other than war with them. If a boom begins at the front, he will yell that the Fatherland is in danger and will try to make peace with them against ours. He has 2 ways out - to launch an offensive until demobilization has begun or to begin to deal with law-abductors, freedom and well-being. Both options suit us. In the meantime, the nm corps is constantly conducting exercises and mastering military equipment. The corps are subordinate to our officers and the showdown among Donetsk and Lugansk politicians does not affect them in any way. The hulls are armed, equipped and trained. To go to the RF Armed Forces, they only need to alter the chevrons. I advise you to look less at the verbal garbage in TV and more at real things. In any case, the Donbass will not obey Kiev. This is a fact and Kiev no longer has the strength to change it. Well, all statements on TV by politicians, both ours and the enemy, are taken seriously only unicellular, who will hear a lot of verbal garbage and begin to eat out the rest of the brain with crematorial speeches.
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 14 September 2015 07: 15 New
        +7
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Since May last year, a trend has been outlined in the leadership of the Russian Federation towards the gradual discharge of New Russia and its pushing back to Ukraine.

        Igor, it seems that you describe everything so beautifully in your articles, and even the native, it turns out, but do you yourself see New Russia in its current form as an independent? Alas, I do not. In the current situation, she has two options - to be part of the denazified former Ukraine, we can call it Little Russia, or Big Novorossia (part of the primordially Novorossiysk lands and lands of the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic, donated to the Ruin at the time of it), or join Russia on rights of the subject of the Federation. That's all, there is no other way, since NOBODY in the leadership of the LPR People’s Democratic Republic over the past year and a half has not really made attempts to establish the State and the state machine. Last year, I remember, they threw minuses (I don't give a damn) when I wrote about the need to acquire state attributes in order to recognize the republics in the international arena (even at the level of Nicaragua and Venezuela, as happened with Yu.O. and Abkhazia). After all, nothing has changed during this time, and it will not change, because it turns out that nobody needed it, not even Purgin. What kind of time did he not create miracles and create a real republic? The RSFSR for the year and a half after the Revolution fought with varying success, but it was already tipping the scales in the direction of its victory.
        And in Novorossia, as there was no unity in the leadership, it still does not exist until now. And this is very sad, especially for the population.
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 14 September 2015 08: 05 New
          +6
          Quote: inkass_98
          Igor, it seems that you describe everything so beautifully in your articles, and even an aborigine, it turns out, but do you yourself see New Russia in its current form as an independent? Alas, I do not. In the current situation, she has two options - to be part of the denazified former Ukraine, we can call it Little Russia, or Big Novorossia (part of the originally Novorossiysk lands and lands of the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic, donated to the Ruin at the time of it), or join Russia on rights of the subject of the Federation.


          I think that as an “aboriginal”, I have the right to answer instead Kibalchish.

          You wrote everything correctly, so it should BE and look.

          But there are some "BUT", big and small ... For example, such as the discontent of a significant mass of the militia, stopped by the "Minsk" database, which is so "reasonably" in the "smithereens," Alexander Romanov smashed ...
          Real discontent, which is felt when communicating with the guys who are being fired from the front line, in the rear ...
          1. inkass_98
            inkass_98 14 September 2015 09: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: Tanais
            Real discontent

            I can’t argue with this, I quite imagine the feelings of the people involved in these games by the top of the republics. Here again, an occasion to go to the polls and try to express their attitude to what is happening under the leadership of the current authorities.
            The euphoria has passed, it is time to really look at the current order of things. I can’t call you to anything, I have no moral right, but the fate of the top leadership still depends on you on the ground. For now, until the clan structure of the leadership of the republics is completed or another coup d'etat does not take place. This is precisely what must be avoided.
            1. Tanais
              Tanais 14 September 2015 09: 17 New
              +4
              Quote: inkass_98
              , I quite imagine the feelings of the people involved in these games by the top of the republics.


              But unfortunately, you don’t understand THAN called the "games of the top of the republics" ...

              That's where the dog rummaged ... And everything else, SECONDARY, and from this we need to "dance" ...
  3. svp67
    svp67 14 September 2015 06: 25 New
    +3
    But our opinion is that everything is just beginning.
    And it is not entirely happy
    And the continuation may follow not quite what we all expected a year ago.
    And this is not only not happy, but already scary. All the same, in Russian legends the end is always happy, as I would not want to depart from centuries-old traditions.
  4. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 14 September 2015 06: 45 New
    +5
    Too many Russian people died there that would simply take and merge ... Like in Chechnya ... Although now there is a different leadership?
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  5. Glaz8000
    Glaz8000 14 September 2015 07: 00 New
    +21
    In my pessimistic view, Novorossia ended. At least there is no question of any people's power. The murder of Brain put an end to this matter. What is happening in the Donbass now looks like a trivial struggle for power (redistribution of power) between various oligarchic groups. I really want to hope that I'm wrong, and that everything is not at all as it seems to me from the sofa. Therefore, I look forward to further publications on this subject from Domokl and Banshee ...
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 14 September 2015 08: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Glaz8000
      What is happening in the Donbass now looks like a trivial struggle for power (redistribution of power) between various oligarchic groups.


      Any revolution is led by grabbers, in any case, using the results
  6. Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 September 2015 07: 04 New
    +1
    It will be interesting to read. And to be honest, all this is called "big and very big politics." This is when bargaining chips are not a person or several people, but a city-region-country. And I would like to see reviews from the authors along with forecasts for a particular case in the long term.
  7. Flinky
    Flinky 14 September 2015 07: 18 New
    +8
    You are naive people, honestly. Strong, kind, honest - but terribly naive. What the hell is Novorossia if Akhmetov has still not been picked up (which, of course, is Putin, dada, fourteen of your friends of the same opinion)? That's when they pick it up - then it’s worth seriously raising this topic. Until then, the DPR and LPR will only be leverage and a bargaining chip.
    People really feel sorry. In any war, the civilian population is primarily affected. But articles on mirages cannot help them, alas.
    1. dzen123
      dzen123 14 September 2015 08: 18 New
      +3
      I agree. I’ll add from myself that no one in this world needs the example of New Russia as the formation of a separate state. They will crush, they will simply pour blood on the edge. This is not a picture of the “Kosovo issue” and a clear operation in the Crimea. I am sorry for your beliefs and aspirations for the triumph of justice "on a single territory", Roman and Domokl, but the reality is that the destroyed and destroyed Donbass of Russia is not needed.

      On the other hand, both of your publications will obviously become on the other side of the leadership of the unrecognized republics. You wrote about the cellars ... In the Donbass, it will already be dangerous for both of you to be both.

      In any case, I will hope that you will be fine.
  8. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 14 September 2015 07: 18 New
    +2
    "New Russia: to be or not to be?"

    More likely no than yes, unlike Abkhazia itself, there are no administrative borders, no production chain, only a third of it, dependence on third-party energy supply, consumer goods, at least some kind of political independence, this is South Ossetia after 1992
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 14 September 2015 08: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: rosarioagro
      "New Russia: to be or not to be?"

      More likely no than yes, unlike Abkhazia itself, there are no administrative borders, no production chain, only a third of it, dependence on third-party energy supply, consumer goods, at least some kind of political independence, this is South Ossetia after 1992


      Well, what about "no administrative boundaries"? Yes, and they are clearly defined. Another question is that the EXIT TO THEM DNI-LNR MILITARY HAS BEEN STOPPED by the "Minsk Agreements" ...

      Is “political independence” necessary? This is someone like ... The oligarch, in order to steal alone, without "unfastening" the Center, apparently needed. And to the people?

      About "economic integration" ... What prevents "reintegration" from partner enterprises of a neighboring state?
      1. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 14 September 2015 09: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Tanais
        Is “political independence” necessary? This is someone like ... The oligarch, in order to steal alone, without "unfastening" the Center, apparently needed. And to the people?

        But how, at least some kind of it, by the way, seems to have begun to manifest itself - like we will live without the oligarchs, as this very socialism was immediately canceled :-)
        Quote: Tanais


        About "economic integration" ... What prevents "reintegration" from partner enterprises of a neighboring state?

        Much, the lack of status, the ownership of the enterprise, the fear of being sanctioned, integration would make sense if there was a complete production chain - Coal-ore-plant, then there was only sales
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 September 2015 10: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: Tanais
        Well, what about "no administrative boundaries"? Yes, and they are clearly defined. Another question is that the EXIT TO THEM DNI-LNR MILITARY HAS BEEN STOPPED by the "Minsk Agreements" ...

        Well, they will go to the borders, and then what? New Russia does not have a common leader; there are no leaders at all.
        Recognize a new state, which in fact is not?
        What about the rest of Ukraine? - pick up a piece of territory not for long, and then what?
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 14 September 2015 18: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, they will go to the borders, and then what? New Russia does not have a common leader; there are no leaders at all.
          Recognize a new state, which in fact is not?
          What about the rest of Ukraine? - pick up a piece of territory not for long, and then what?


          You would only be engaged in "state-building" ... Give it to you global.

          And you don’t want to notice a more prosaic thing, such as the end of shelling of cities, for you, this is somewhat secondary ...

          Access to the borders is a SUBSTANTIVE blow to the Ukrainian economy, and as a result, a powerful lever of influence on the junta.

          And then, ALREADY Kiev, under the pressure of circumstances, will have to look for ways to restore the very "technological chains" of which it writes avt.
      3. avt
        avt 14 September 2015 15: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Tanais
        o EXIT TO THEM THE DNI-LNR MILITARY HAS BEEN STOPPED by the "Minsk Agreements" ...

        Yeah ???? And what? They closed the second ring behind the reservoirs, but backed away from Minsk? And Artyomovsk, Avdeevka, Sands, too, from Minsk could not take? Or all the same, there was enough strength for one Debaltseve, from which, by the way, the ukry partially broke through. Is Minsk also to blame? Or, again, there was not enough strength for a full-fledged environment? Let’s all the same, without hatred. The fact that they trample VSUki - I’m sure this is something that SUDDENLY should happen so as not to trample. Then we’ll see how they managed to take advantage of the ceasefire and whether the army corps were really formed ..... police laughing
        Quote: Tanais
        About "economic integration" ... What prevents "reintegration" from partner enterprises of a neighboring state?

        Nothing but specific technological chains, since the entire conglomerate of heavy industry, and in fact the basis of the whole East, was built taking into account at least the Zaporizhzhya region with its energy and steel mills, and even the Dnepropetrovsk ore would not hurt, well and Kharkov, too, although it’s more like Rosatom. Akhmetov what -? He organized his Metinvest as an inter-regional company. So Novorossia will be in one form or another. Do not rush to live - picking a green fruit can be poisonous. It’s not in Zaporizhia, neither in the Dnepropetrovsk region and Kharkov, special shifts, well, at least half of LDNR, are observed. Yes, the majority of the population of the remaining Ukraine, like those mice, prick, cry, but eat their own European cactus.
  9. avia12005
    avia12005 14 September 2015 08: 02 New
    +1
    I think that to take (conquer), you can call it whatever you like, the territory we call, we call it, and we will call it “Novorossiya”, simply enough even by LDNR forces supported by the “north wind”. And then something ???

    Formed there over the years of "independence" the elite are corrupt. People psychologically and information processed further nowhere. In addition, the Khutoryan self-consciousness is very developed - my hut is on the edge. And the active part of the population, unfortunately, due to omissions in the Russian policy towards Ukraine, is now in the ranks of the PS, NG and other "baht".

    So, how to manage this territory after capture or release? If any native from Donetsk, Lugansk, Voronezh, Rostov or Chita perceive a significant part of the population as a gauleiter? And you can be sure that it will be enthusiastically supported by the United States and the EU, including financially and financially. To lead the anti-partisan struggle? Again, evict Bandera on Kolyma?

    New Russia as part of the 8 areas, its population must voluntarily make their decision and defend it. And this is the only way to banish Bandera evil and western prostitutes.

    Russian Ukraine must themselves realize that they are RUSSIAN.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 14 September 2015 08: 05 New
      +1
      They realized this last year.
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 14 September 2015 08: 10 New
        +1
        I think that is not all ...
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 14 September 2015 09: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: avia12005
          I think that is not all ...


          I will not go into the crap all-not-all, all the more the question of who and how, did it evaluate in areas that are under the junta?

          I’ll only ask if this is an obstacle to free the Donbass, to go out to its borders with dill?

          And about the mood in the DNI, this one will show you completely fresh
          material...

          http://warfiles.ru/show-95622-svodki-ot-opolcheniya-novorossii-14-sentyabrya-201
          5.html
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 14 September 2015 11: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: avia12005
      Russian Ukraine must themselves realize that they are RUSSIAN.

      I never refused that I am Russian. From Ukraine. And what next? Supported (and now support) the ideas of New Russia. Well, how cool it was. New state. Without oligarchs. Without Nazis. Galitsaev will be driven from Kiev and punished. Earth , factories, bowels, everything stolen-will be returned to the people! With New Russia, a revival of a fair camp will begin! And ... de ????? Here, many willed, you hate Natsik, come, take weapons and fight! Ali scared? Well, that's what Now do they come from Kharkov, Sumy, Chernigov? What they fought, fought? Now where they go? To Kiev, it seems there will not be a forceful liberation of Kiev. Home? They are waiting for them ... Well, after all, there is an LDNR army, and the armies of Liberation of Ukraine from Khuntyaev (or something like that) -NO. What should people in Ukraine who did not support the junta expect? There are common truths, the ABC of a successful uprising. So, everything that is done by the leadership of Nvorossia is done contrary to these truths and rules. And no one not going to lend a helping hand to those living under the junta. It’s their own fault. Disappear. And here we are separated, and let's whether you are all “on” with your Ukraine. And let Natsik continue to build an anti-Russian state near Russia, educate young people with Russophobes, I don’t care. I hope, of course, that I'm wrong, but from the backwoods the situation in the Donbass looks something like this.
      1. Tanais
        Tanais 14 September 2015 13: 45 New
        +8
        Quote: revnagan
        I hope, of course, that I am not right, but from the outback the situation in the Donbass looks something like this.

        Quote: revnagan
        Well, it was so cool. A new state. Without the oligarchs. Without the Nazis. Galitsaev will be driven from Kiev and punished. Earth, factories, bowels, everything stolen will be returned to the people! A revival of a fair camp will begin from New Russia! And ... de ??? ??

        You are right in that part that Novorossia (Donbass) cannot be without oligarchs, because the process is being supervised from the Kremlin.
        And what do you think, would they allow us to build something different from the current Russian political formation?

        And now, with the “Minsk”, the question is not just that of New Russia, but the release of the Donbass from occupation, it has “suspended” for an indefinite period ...

        So, it looks "from the spot" ...
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 14 September 2015 18: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: Tanais
          And now, with the “Minsk”, the question is not just that of New Russia, but the release of the Donbass from occupation, it has “suspended” for an indefinite period ...

          What to say about the liberation of all of Ukraine ... request
        2. Arkon
          Arkon 14 September 2015 19: 15 New
          -2
          And what do you think, would they allow us to build something different from the current Russian political formation?


          And who can allow or forbid you anything? Build what you want. You can not? Then what is it about?

          You see, this is a repetition of "Ukrainian" recent history. When we want to live like in Europe, but we ourselves cannot do this. Therefore, Russia must help us, because Europe does not want to. Well, it will help and can go on ...
          What you say is: we wanted to build Paradise on Earth, but we ourselves can’t, therefore, let Russia help us, and if it helps in a different way than we want, then it went to ...

          Understand already. Russia is as it is. Not better, BUT NOT WORSE. Russia is responsible for the whole world and works in the current framework defined by the whole world situation.
          What can do. What can not - DO IT YOURSELF.

          Well, as children, honestly ...
  10. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 14 September 2015 08: 08 New
    +3
    Here's the news, maybe not in the subject but still.

    Ukrainian army is going
    attack Crimea with support
    USA - Member of Parliament
    Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Igor
    Lutsenko said that the Ukrainian
    army with the help of the US and
    Great Britain being reformed
    to strike at the Donbass and
    Crimea. It is reported
    PolitNavigator.
    “For several years, Ukrainian
    the army has every opportunity
    become more quality
    combat ready than Russian,
    even if it will
    reorganize, arm
    and learn current
    unhurried pace. This is when
    invariance condition
    political course and technical
    US assistance and
    Great Britain. We are not building
    just a defensive army -
    we must create an army
    intended for
    swift offensive
    against Russian troops. In front of us
    the challenge is reconquering
    territories in the East and in the Crimea,
    and for these purposes we are now
    create a war machine
    trained to attack ", -
    quoted by the deputy edition.
    "Undercover American
    military cruise missiles
    US ships, APU fast
    neutralize all "popular
    militias of the Crimea - and possibly
    generally lossless with our
    parties, ”the forecast says
    Lutsenko published on his
    social network page.
    At the same time, the deputy claims that
    at the capture of Crimea and Donbass
    Ukrainian army will not stop.
    “Is that all? No. Recall that
    we will have the biggest moment
    army trained in Europe
    on the offensive, with combat experience.
    Therefore - still only
    begins, ”promises Lutsenko.
    Photo: Ministry of Defense of Ukraine
    Video: Vіyskove TV Tower
    Ukraine / YouTube
  11. Egoza
    Egoza 14 September 2015 08: 17 New
    +6
    Two quotes ....
    On January 8 of 2010, ISD (Industrial Union of Donbass) officially announced that 50% + 2 shares of the corporation (metallurgical assets) were sold to a group of investors headed by the Swiss company Carbofer, owned by Russian businessman Alexander Katunin (is one of the founders of Evraz). In this regard, Vitaliy Gayduk, ex-secretary of the National Security and Defense Council (NSDC), left the ISD shareholders. 49,9% of the shares of ISD remained in the ownership of Sergey Taruta and Oleg Mkrtchan. The amount of the transaction was not announced, but analysts estimated the value of the sold block of shares in the range from $ 1 to $ 3 billion, suggesting that the buyers of the controlling block of ISD most likely acted in the interests of Evraz.


    In the Rostov Region, out of about a hundred mines, four remained, and, by the way, all of them belong to the same Rinat Akhmetov, that is, in the territory of the Russian Federation, the rest were closed

    Where the interests of the oligarchs agreed, there is no and will not be the support of the people who tried to free themselves from them.
  12. Agent 008
    Agent 008 14 September 2015 08: 28 New
    +3
    I think that Poroshenko will not be satisfied with the option that the Kremlin, through LDNR, will control the processes in Ukraine, especially since the mental gap between western and eastern Ukraine is widening more and more, and the hatred of young people (and behind it, as we know - future) of the western regions of Ukraine to the inhabitants of Donbass is growing exponentially! It seems that Poroshenko, in order to "integrate" with Europe, there are only two options: 1. Go on the offensive on LDNR, hoping to defeat the republics. 2. To isolate oneself from LDNR with barbed wire and completely abandon Donbass ... The option with a “frozen” conflict is not for long, because this is the worst option for Poroshenko ...
  13. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 September 2015 08: 41 New
    +1
    Still, I think most of Ukraine will go to Russia .. There will be no New Russia, etc. Well, here's another
  14. RiverVV
    RiverVV 14 September 2015 08: 45 New
    -2
    As usual hohlokamement amuse. No, seriously, nothing has changed in a year. All the same: “Putinslil”, “Novorossiinet”, “oligarchs forever” - and the like. Ukrainians can not understand a simple thing: the new state does not appear instantly, with ready-made bureaucrats, the army and bankers. It always takes time to become one.

    So: when compared with the October Revolution, Novorossia is now somewhere in 1919. There is already a state apparatus, there is an army, and there are even some sort of diplomatic relations (in this regard, everything is unique in general). But Ukraine safely got stuck in the 17th year, safely consuming the Soviet legacy. The same rallies, treason all around, the army is decomposing, the bloc of Socialist-Revolutionaries, Anarchists and Communists (fascists, adjusted for mentality) is in power.

    The funniest thing will be if in Ukraine an analogue of the Bolshevik party comes to power. The gap of the template at the American ambassador is guaranteed.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 14 September 2015 08: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: RiverVV
      The funniest thing will be if in Ukraine an analogue of the Bolshevik party comes to power. The gap of the template at the American ambassador is guaranteed.

      Will not work. At the moment, only Nazi nationalists will come to power, and the United States will support them. Another thing is that the Nazis will arrange such a merry life, that the people will finally rise and will sweep them away. Given the fact that Europe will try to push us part of the Arabs, but when dividing property and land on the memory .... Everything is just beginning. hi
      1. RiverVV
        RiverVV 14 September 2015 10: 47 New
        -1
        And why I wrote: "analogue." Take a closer look at Hitler’s NSDAP. She has the same social composition as the CPSU (b) and the same program was before the beer coup. If necessary, fascism (not to be confused with Nazism and nationalism) mutates into social democracy with ease. And in Ukraine, the Nazis are already in power, that is, it is also easier to crank.
        Nazism ... Well, what kind of Nazism in Ukraine? There is only one laugh. Tattooed Clowns.
      2. Arkon
        Arkon 14 September 2015 19: 29 New
        0
        that the people will finally rise and sweep them away.


        Shaw again ?? !!! Do I have one hundred and thirty-eighth deja vu? belay
  15. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 08: 56 New
    -10
    the people do not need this noorosia, they have agitated the people, they have driven us to death for death.
    Threat many believe go with your Russian world into the furnace.
    1. RiverVV
      RiverVV 14 September 2015 10: 48 New
      +3
      You use Google translator for nothing, my little American friend. You post such nonsense ... :))))
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 14 September 2015 18: 26 New
        0
        Quote: RiverVV
        You use Google translator for nothing, my little American friend.

        Look, I’ve disguised myself as a cunning. "The daughter of a Russian officer, a native Crimean ...". laughing
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    3. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 14 September 2015 16: 47 New
      -1
      .... of course .... what the hell are you with? You would lick and bounce the holes for the Hebrews, gallop, gallop, gallop ....... wassat
    4. avt
      avt 14 September 2015 17: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: goshaam
      the people do not need this noorosia, they have agitated the people, they have driven us to death for death.

      Ltd! Fresh Svidomo drew! And even if it’s boring without banderlogus, Svidomikus vulgaris (ordinary), our Crimea has become practically without any death, compared with Maidan Nashki.
      Quote: goshaam
      Threat many believe go with your Russian world into the furnace.

      But Svidomo rogues are going into the firebox for the time being, according to the calculations of the USA controlled by Germany, 50000 goals have already been tracked a year ago and another 90000 are waiting in the Donbass, but only Putin with the Minsk format doesn’t let them go. But don’t worry - your brothers and sisters will wait in the wings and will certainly go to the furnace.
  16. Das Boot
    Das Boot 14 September 2015 09: 00 New
    +1
    "The fact that we still have a mess here is known to everyone, or I hope that it is known. But it is very important to know what you see and understand what is happening here."
    funny phrase. It is interesting to learn from the authors - how many inhabitants of the republics call their region "Novorossia". I’m talking about autochthons, and not about fans from Russia and network keyboard fans. Or is it just a sort of toponymic mythologem, such as Eldorado?
  17. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 September 2015 09: 09 New
    +1
    We look forward to continuing. Akhmetov’s ears are obliged to stick out in the Donbass because of each bush. Well, there are no miracles for the richest man of dill to "merge" unnoticed, but I do not see him anywhere, and they do not write anything about him. In the Donbass, he is the main puppeteer, simply by definition. I would not be surprised if the militia bought heavy weapons from the Armed Forces for its money. Not all, but much.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 14 September 2015 12: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Akhmetov’s ears are obliged to stick out in the Donbass because of each bush. Well, there are no miracles for the richest man of dill to "merge" unnoticed

      and he is still the master there. So far, the processes of re-privatization and nationalization of part of its assets have not been launched by xoxlami, sort of.
  18. Averias
    Averias 14 September 2015 09: 10 New
    +2
    What happens there, I have not liked for a long time and questions arise more and more. One of the questions that surprised me to the impossibility (some time ago) is why the LPR and the DPR will not combine efforts to protect, coordinate, and so on. Agree that fighting back together is better than singly.
    The answer is obvious - power. Let even unsteady and ephemeral - but still power (with all that it implies ..). While someone, in the mud and under shelling, with a machine gun in their hands, defended, others, those in suits and good cars, talked to the camera about ... (well, you yourself know what). But in fact, what? But in fact, we see what is written in the article.
    Yes, and not such a long-standing example with a water treatment plant (who read, then in the know) - what is this? I think I have a lot of such examples at my respected Banshee. In principle, the article says this, there is something to say, but it is better to remain silent. In my subjective opinion, TAM has already divided everything, I won’t be surprised that there are behind-the-scenes conversations with the oligarchy on both sides and not only.
    Even the impossible happens and Novorossia gets independent status, who will restore everything? They need investments and not small ones. And who has the money? And most importantly - they do not smell. And what about the "drain" by Russia of New Russia, and where is it written or said that we accepted them (after all, in order to merge, you must first accept it)? We do not need Ukraine (we need it — this is not in the sense of the Russian Federation) in parts, Ukraine must be holistic, with normal power (which is what it is in modern realities).
  19. Das Boot
    Das Boot 14 September 2015 09: 29 New
    +3
    Quote: Averias
    The answer is obvious - power. Even shaky and ephemeral

    but for me it’s not at all obvious. What kind of power? Virtual? They whipped up some imperious pseudo-institutes - and so what? Isn't it funny for you to read about the MGB and the LDNR Prosecutor's Office? What gave the charm of civilization a mess?
    Quote: Averias
    but still power (with all that it implies ..)

    and what exactly follows? What will this “power" give the former electrician? Authority? It is doubtful. Bird feeder? Also hardly. Unless recovery injections from the Russian Federation begin, which is unlikely. Touching a future career in any scenario? Nope, usually losers of this scale drown in obscurity. Even memoirs with "sensational revelations" do not save. Maybe instructions from Moscow were written by unreadable scribbles?
    but in general I agree with your comment.
    1. Averias
      Averias 14 September 2015 13: 41 New
      +1
      So I’m talking about this, only a little tongue-tied (it’s difficult to write a comment on the bus without being distracted. I wrote while I was driving to work, and the epistolary genre is not my thing). And so I completely agree with you.
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 14 September 2015 13: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Averias
        (it’s hard on the bus to write a comment without being distracted ...

        a fig! such a comment on the bus! I take off my hat and plus)))
        a flat road and instead of a chanson drove the third concert of Prokofiev? .... fellow
        1. Averias
          Averias 14 September 2015 14: 04 New
          +1
          The “Dire straits” headphones and the Windows tablet do wonders :-).
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 14 September 2015 14: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Das Boot
      Quote: Averias
      The answer is obvious - power. Even shaky and ephemeral

      but for me it’s not at all obvious. What kind of power? Virtual? They whipped up some imperious pseudo-institutes - and so what? Isn't it funny for you to read about the MGB and the LDNR Prosecutor's Office? What gave the charm of civilization a mess?
      Quote: Averias
      but still power (with all that it implies ..)

      and what exactly follows? What will this “power" give the former electrician? Authority? It is doubtful. Bird feeder? Also hardly. Unless recovery injections from the Russian Federation begin, which is unlikely. Touching a future career in any scenario? Nope, usually losers of this scale drown in obscurity. Even memoirs with "sensational revelations" do not save. Maybe instructions from Moscow were written by unreadable scribbles?
      but in general I agree with your comment.

      ===
      pensions are paid, no taxes are collected, banks, social services are working, roads / railways, etc., etc. are being restored. was this possible without power? and what it is called is not so important. at the very least, but the republics took place, had they been located somewhere between Georgia and the Russian Federation, then they would have long since healed quietly and independently
  20. Foul skeptic
    Foul skeptic 14 September 2015 09: 32 New
    0
    I’m reading comments and I can’t figure out for myself that the word "Novorossia" (in relation to Ukraine of the 2015 flood) is invested by people who unsubscribe here.

    And, well, if, the authors of the article, indicating such a title, imply a reverse response from readers, then mine is not to be.
  21. Das Boot
    Das Boot 14 September 2015 10: 04 New
    0
    Quote: A vile skeptic
    then mine is not to be.

    The last cycle of Roman's articles dealt with the topic of hardware rat racing in the DPR. I also do not understand - what does all this promiscuity have to do with the question of "to be or not to be"? But, if this is some kind of indicator, then - no, "not to be."
  22. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 14 September 2015 10: 38 New
    +7
    (despite the fact that this term gradually goes out of use, or it is derived)

    namely, they are specially “taken out” of everyday life.
    I am shocked by the constant use on the Russian television channels of the expression - "self-proclaimed"republics.
    I believe that we all need to use the name in our comments: New Russia and People’s Republics.
    Water sharpens a stone!
    For me, this is an indicator of a person’s attitude to the Free Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk.

    Py.Sy. If the comments use the expression "in Ukraine" and not - "in Ukraine" this also says a lot.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 14 September 2015 12: 33 New
      0
      Quote: kunstkammer
      It disturbs me from the constant use on the Russian television channels of the expression “self-proclaimed” republics.
      I believe that we all need to use the name in our comments: New Russia and People’s Republics.

      all these are emotions. Hashtags do not play any decisive role. Khokslov over who just do not call, but you go ...
      Quote: kunstkammer
      If the comments use the expression "in Ukraine" and not - "in Ukraine" this also says a lot.

      and what does it mean? About it:??
  23. Egoza
    Egoza 14 September 2015 11: 01 New
    +4
    My former student contacted me ... they called him recently ...
    "They taught us how to drive and shoot tanks, then they sent us to the duty station - it turned out that we were anti-aircraft gunners. They gave us a choice of uniforms - a second-hand American thin, summer and ours ... most of them took ours, it’s warmer ... dry rations they gave it out, but what was handed over from the house is enough for three days, they drink everything in black, while there is where to buy .... "well, etc.
    With THIS APU - Novorossiya BE!
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 14 September 2015 11: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: Egoza
      With THIS APU - Novorossiya BE!

      that is, the question of being HP or not being dependent on the level of mess in the APU? For some reason, I thought that state-building mechanisms are somewhat different.
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 14 September 2015 11: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      With THIS APU - Novorossiya BE!

      With such "leaders" and the absence of a program -.... In general, God forbid.
  24. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 11: 30 New
    -4
    It is not the people of Donbass who decides what will happen, PR managers embody, the Kremlin decides, pursuing strategic goals.
    PS and the people ..... it’s good that he is Russian, it’s easier to work with such material.
  25. tyzyaga
    tyzyaga 14 September 2015 11: 39 New
    +4
    New Russia: to be or not to be?

    This is unlikely! Russia made it clear immediately after the Crimean referendum that Novorossia was unnecessary to her. Yes, and Lavrov always says that Donbass is Ukraine.
  26. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 11: 40 New
    -3
    Zzy Khokhl, like an ordinary layman, I want to raise children and eat .....
    It’s just that the Russians still have a state.
    And the Donbass, or rather the philistine of the Donbass, between two fires of illusions.
  27. friend of animals
    friend of animals 14 September 2015 11: 57 New
    +5
    What is New Russia? 2 pieces of Donetsk and Lugansk regions? If such a task was set, then, following the example of the Crimea, these areas would be taken, plus at least Kharkov. And now there are a lot of victims, refugees, and a couple of bits of the DNI, LC, which are not even officially recognized by Russia. The conflict is frozen, which means that local residents live in this ass of uncertainty like Transnistria.
  28. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 12: 12 New
    -3
    Abkhazia is the struggle and victory of the people.
    we, like the people of the Dnieper Lnr, are forced to endure an experiment on ourselves.
    zzy Thank you and Crimea did not set us up, but according to the documents we were Russians before that.

    Serbia, Pristina airport ...... we love zilch, but we are afraid of the real deal ...... there according to the documents ....))))
  29. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 12: 14 New
    -1
    remove the pink glasses, the country would not merge.
    do not even try to take someone else's.
  30. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 12: 50 New
    -1
    Quote: RiverVV
    You use Google translator for nothing, my little American friend. You post such nonsense ... :))))

    Russia is simply obliged to support the people who stand in front of the buffer in front of the Crimea.

    opinion of the local population.

    PS do not jump, speak or deny the case.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 14 September 2015 13: 02 New
      0
      Quote: goshaam
      contain people standing with a buffer in front of Crimea.


      WTF?
  31. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 13: 16 New
    -3
    Now on TV and on the Internet they talk a lot about
    "Feats of militias", field commanders
    type motorol-brain-gyrkin (which,
    By the way, they are promoting by PR technology
    "Star factories") and the so-called "New Russia". But
    completely absent information about simple
    civilians of Donbass far from war
    and abandoned to their own devices. And I'm interested in
    banal question: did anyone think
    which one? How do they live? What do they eat? how
    they belong to the "militia" and ideology
    "New Russia"? After all, these propagandists
    writers do not care about this. Yes and
    why is this? After all, civilians can
    say to the camera ...
  32. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 13: 23 New
    +1
    In the Donbass, it becomes more and more at first sight incomprehensible.
    It is not clear why the LPR army helped the DPR army in the case of Debaltseve, remember, but now it does not help.
    In the LPR, there is probably no war, while in the DPR we observe bloody shelling of the city of Donetsk, and just
    we observed the bloody battles for Maryinka, in fact, the suburb of Donetsk, this Maryinka.
    The hopes expressed by representatives of both republics for a change in the Constitution of Ukraine are not clear.
    so that the regions occupied by the DPR and LPR would have a "special status as part of Ukraine." What special status yes
    Why are you, thousands of corpses who forgive each other?
    If "as part of Ukraine" is written and spoken only so that the Verkhovna Rada does not approve such a status, then
    this is too tricky a combination for the minds of ordinary citizens of the rebel republics. Image loss of governments
    DNI and LC in this case is large, the population of the republics does not understand such subtle maneuvers.
    Now they have slipped with Crimea, designating it "as part of Ukraine." This is absolutely no good.
    They understood, they said that they were mistaken.
    Yesterday it was announced that they want the republics to be part of Russia.
    Hello, you’ve already been refused and referenda have passed for independence.
    Part of these absurd actions is explained by the fact that Russia stands behind the backs of the Donetsk republics (officials,
    the military, the FSB, they say that Surkov), and this Russia is not always, and honestly not often, it’s smart and clear,
    level of "polite people".
    But part of the incomprehensible, for example, is that the LPR does not fight, and the Donetsk Republic only manages to brush aside
    enemies, and suffers losses, perhaps it should be attributed to some already local hostility and disagreement. To me
    they said that customs were established on the border of the LPR and the DPR. And what! Customs, like strangers ...
    We look, love, lament, cheer for. In powerlessness (we are repelled, everyone knows ...) we swear out loud.
    Would be cleaner! And, of course, 29 Russian humanitarian convoys are good, but there would be better help tank
    columns and recall Surkov and similar Jesuits and diplomatic savages.
    I, - Eduard Limonov.
  33. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 14 September 2015 14: 50 New
    +1
    I really want Novorossia to become the way it was conceived last year. I think it "leaked" - "it did not" leaked either wrecking or hysteria. I wanted to quickly, simply and clearly, as with the Crimea. Trying old articles on V.O. read about 1917 and onward. There was so much that it was amazing what happened. Maybe those who talk about the long process of the formation of New Russia may be right. They were silent and understated, it was not clear. On "Kramole" article about the symbols of Ukraine ---- everything works .
    Thanks so much for the article.
  34. Archon
    Archon 14 September 2015 15: 00 New
    0
    The article is hard to read. Meaning is one thing, but perception is another.
  35. Kingdino
    Kingdino 14 September 2015 16: 01 New
    -3
    New Russia: to be or not to be?

    this is how His Excellency the Herr Prince of All Russia will wish, wants to sell, does not want not to sell but trades ...
  36. Neputin
    Neputin 14 September 2015 16: 23 New
    -3
    What we observe during the year is the "drain" of the "NEW RUSSIA" project. A quick drain was not possible due to a wave of euphoria and a patriotic orgasm that swept many. In order to start the drain, it is necessary to tire the average person, to make once sharp news routine, to show the negative on both sides of the conflict, which was done. In this situation, the rating of "great Pu .." and its party "Eat Russia" will not suffer as much as it could in the event of an instant discharge in 2014. I am sincerely sorry for the honest honest, but simple-minded people who were led to a "patriotic orgasm" and as a result lost their health or life in the struggle, it is not known for what. Very bitter and disgusting .... So with the introduction you are a little late. It's time to write an afterword ...
  37. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 14 September 2015 16: 48 New
    +2
    Domokl, Banshee, guys, thank you for what you did and continue to do the right thing. Many people warn you about the Ukrainian, LDNR threat that everything can be. This is so. But it seems to me that the biggest threat to your activity will come from the Russian authorities. Therefore, be careful and attentive, especially to new acquaintances. Who knows whose order they are fulfilling. They are simply tormented by vague doubts.
  38. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 14 September 2015 17: 25 New
    +1
    I DO NOT AGREE to represent simple and honest people under the influence of orgaz.m., even political.
    THEY defended others from death, defended their homeland, their beliefs, they are warriors worthy of respect. We must continue to support them !!
  39. samarin1969
    samarin1969 14 September 2015 18: 34 New
    +2
    “Yes, a certain change of direction has taken place.” ... the non-publicity of the “tower” policy is just going through the roof. Honest people write in "Aesopian" language, ..... have come ...
  40. wiwa
    wiwa 14 September 2015 22: 03 New
    0
    veils cool- generally hell to understand what to say something like this article like? Well, oh well, let's wait for the continuation, we can clearly understand ...
  41. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 22: 09 New
    0

    Threat ****** ***** ******** *********** Ukrainians .......
  42. RRR
    RRR 14 September 2015 23: 04 New
    +2
    My personal opinion:

    IMHO from the point of view of a logically minded person, to whom politicians and the military consider themselves, getting anything (ORDILO) it makes no sense to give it back - will cost more.

    On the other hand circumstances may arise when it will be more profitable to give received, and then reflect on the need to return the given.

    At present, the ORDiLO seems to be a politically relatively stable structure, but with flaws in the economy and ideology. Actually IT is just one of the forms of a buffer zone between opponents, for the maintenance of which absolutely miserable means are allocated. Therefore, it will hover in the present borders.

    Let's just say: in the field of economics, practically nothing works and there is no reason to restore it for someone, in the military it is a good way to dispose of old ammunition and weapons, in the field of ideology no one has stated any state IDEA in both the LPR and the DPR. How could Russia (in the person of its leadership) recognize the states whose only idea was joining Russia?

    I do not like? Me too. What can you do? I cannot do anything at all in the LPR - neither to earn a living, nor to influence what is happening.

    Will you start to salivate about the “ideas of the Russian world”, “the ideas of New Russia”?
    Calm down!
    Where did the “idea of ​​the Russian world” come from? - From the Russian media. How did she get there? No one knows.
    With the "idea of ​​Novorossia" it’s easier - this is the favorite child of the weather vane of Ukrainian politics from Dnepropetrovsk.

    In the meantime, you will sprinkle with saliva, we will store food for the winter as far as possible. Or do you think that humconvoys reach people in LDNR and we only eat that? Ha ha ha Children, try to live for 2500 rubles a month at prices twice as high as Russian, then your skeleton will tell you how it turned out. And while we do not lose the presence of mind.

    Does everyone understand the content of the above? If not, first read a few more times and comprehend, then start scribbling comments and putting cons.