German specialists in Izhevsk (1946-1952)

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German specialists in Izhevsk (1946-1952)


“By a surprising coincidence, several hundred of the best German gunsmiths led by the famous Hugo Schmeisser worked in Izhevsk at that time.”
From the statement on the weapons forum


Theme Schmeisser vs Kalashnikov is inexhaustible, like an atom. This time in her noted in his "LJ" the famous Germanophile Vasily Kryukov. He proudly entitled his work “Letter from Hugo Schmeisser to the manufacturers of the Kalashnikov assault rifle about fraud (published for the first time)”. That this letter is already was published I do not care. Some people have known it very well before me, both in Russia and in Germany. The essence is different. After going through the whole set of filthy clichés about the greatness of the gloomy Teutonic genius, Vasiliy this time tries to hang another one. About how poor lamb led to the promises of the treacherous Russian gray wolf, who promised her a salary of 5000 rubles in the distant Russian city of Izhevsk. We will understand. At the same time, and with that one hundred "best German gunsmiths", who worked hard under the wise guidance of the "most famous" ...

There were neither hundreds nor gunsmiths. Sixteen technicians and their families with their own furniture and linens arrived in Izhevsk in October 1946. Altogether, the 32 man arrived with his wives and children, and as many people returned to Germany. The son of Roland was born in the family of Ernst Volkmar. Hans and Christ Ditch entered into marriage. But the chief designer of the company DKW Hermann Weber died in Kazan. While their sons, brothers and husbands were crushing lice in camp barracks and dragging bricks on the construction of residential buildings in Izhevsk, these non-combatants were provided with living conditions that most of the residents of not only Russia but also Germany could dream of. Each family member was provided with a room. So, the Grüner family was located in 4's rooms. Cleaning of rooms and laundry was provided by special staff. Before the cancellation of the rationing system, all were provided with additional food in the store of the commanding staff, after the cancellation they were merged in the same special store. They had gardens, were provided with seed potatoes and conditions for preserving the harvest. With adults and children were conducted classes in the Russian language. Children went to Soviet schools in general classes.



At this place I have no right not to stop and not to recall the fate of Soviet citizens hijacked to Germany for slave labor at German industrial enterprises and agricultural farms. How their food, medical care and education of their children were provided.

So, the delegation of the arrivals included one doctor of science, only two engineers (higher education), seven technicians (secondary) and the rest without education, including the “most famous”.

A core group of ten people was assigned to the motorcycle production department of 27. In this group were the chief designer of the company DKW Hermann Weber and its chief technologist Johann Christianovich Schmidt. And in this motorcycle group there was a subgroup on cold stamping. Perhaps this is where one of the roots of the Schmeisser myth as a specialist in cold stamping grows.

Together with the Germans, wagons with dismantled equipment from DKW came to Izhevsk. This whole group started setting up equipment, developing documentation and creating equipment for the production of the Izh-350 motorcycle, modeled on the German DKW NZ-350. This model was produced until 1951, when it was replaced by Iz-49. And immediately after that, the Germans returned to Germany.


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The armament group of six in Division 58 was led by Karl Augustovich Barnitske (chief engineer at Gustlov Werke). Unlike motorcyclists who left behind hundreds of thousands of Izhevsk motorcycles, this group did not leave anything useful behind them, except for a pile of drawings. If there was a problem with motorcycles in Russia, then Tanks and small weapon at that time we were at the height, unlike those of the Ersatzes, with whom Germany ended the war. This is a paradox: the main group of Germans worked on motorcycles, unlike gunsmiths, did a useful job, and all Germanophiles should have glorified this fact, but they chose Schmeisser’s bogeyman, who turned out to be a mediocre designer, but a successful adventurer as a banner.

Which is characteristic, neither Vasya Kryukov, nor Norbert Mosharsky, not to mention Ruchko, Kobzev or Kolmykov, you will not find even a mention of the German "motorcyclists". Although story Izhevsk motorcycle creation has never been secret. But "Kalaschnikow" is the fourth word and the first surname which is mentioned in the work of Mosharski "Die Ära der Gebrüder Schmeisser in der Waffenfabrik Fa. CG Haenel Suhl 1921-1948". Mosharsky immediately admits in his work that he is not a techie, so he will not consider the merits of Schmeisser’s designs. Still makes a few blunders. But domestic "historians" do not hesitate to demonstrate their overt stupidity. Phrase Kryukov "... for several decades, he was the author of weapon structures used in the strongest army of Europe" asks in the epigraph of the next article.

Sorry, distracted. Now about the salary. In his mournful letter, Schmeisser does not disclose the amount of 5000 rubles. Only the Russian major is mentioned, who promised that "payment in Russia will not only provide for me and my family, but also significantly improve (!) My position." I do not want to spend time figuring out where this promised amount of 5000 rubles came from, since the discovery of this source does not have any significance for the issue under study. But we will carry out some analysis.

So, the richest man in the city of Zulya, the “ingenious designer”, turned out to be a beggar in May 1945, overnight. Perhaps, the innate Teutonic pride prevented him from changing the director's chair at Hänel to his usual place at the drawing board at the same company, especially since his brother Hans retained the position of chief accountant at the same company. But Hugo begins to work in the Soviet commission on the selection of materials and specialists sent to the USSR on account of reparations. And his salary in this commission was 750 marks, which at the then exchange rate corresponded to 375 rubles. In what this work consisted, not clearly.

The bulk of the German experts belonged to the company DKW, which produced cars and motorcycles. As for gunsmiths, its composition is not even surprising. Why, for example, not to Stange or Vollmer? This is the top of the Sonder Command for Arms of the Infantry, created in 1944 year, which included representatives of small arms enterprises. It included all future Izhevsk prisoners, heads of committees: Gruner (Grossfuss) on machine guns, Schmeisser (Handel) on machine pistols, Barnitskke (Gustlov Werke) on signal pistols and rifles.

In Izhevsk, the wages of German specialists consisted of full-time factory salaries and personal allowances, which were several times higher than official salaries:



After it became clear to the plant management that the bird with the surname Schmeisser arrived in Izhevsk, his personal allowance was reduced, still remaining rather high compared to the wages of Soviet engineers. 3 March 1947, Schmeisser writes a letter to the management of the plant with a request to revise his salary. Without waiting for an answer, 28 March, he writes another question: "... when I get an answer to my letter ..." Schmeisser's argument is interesting in a letter: "... I created debts and am in dire financial straits." What kind of debts can be created in the country with a card product distribution system, where there is nothing to buy? Receiving several times more than ordinary citizens of this country?

However, for those who are already familiar with the administrative and organizational skills of the Schmeisser brothers, this is unlikely to be surprising. Although, perhaps, these debts were created by his wife, who remained in Germany. We will be indulgent, with the rich, even the former, their quirks, including in the creation of debts.

An interesting “world outlook” conclusion that Vasily Kryukov makes from this case: being offended by deception, Schmeisser holds the first “Italian” strike in Izhevsk. This supposedly explains his cool attitude to work in Izhevsk. Let's see which of the sofa quill-drivers is the first to pick up this myth.



Work on the instructions of the Ministry of Arms was carried out by the Germans in 1948. Further, the plant management was invited to use them at their discretion. According to the characteristics written in September 1951 before their return to Germany, you can find out what they were doing. For example, Karl Augustovich Barnitske after carbines and machine guns switched to a sports pistol, Oscar Betzold after working on aviation together with Gruner, the cannon was engaged in a bending machine. Everyone was in business and worked mainly on creating equipment for the production of motorcycles. And only the "famous" was used from time to time. Together with Otto Hoffman, he hung out like something in an ice hole.

So, the main work, which was carried out by German specialists in Izhevsk, including gunsmiths, was the preparation of the production of motorcycles. This explains their return to Germany in 1952 year - the completion of work on mastering the production of model IL-49, and not some mythical indispensability of Schmeisser on the development of forged AK receiver boxes.

PS Comrade Stalin's wages at that time were 10000 rubles. According to unverified data.










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  1. +13
    15 September 2015 06: 55
    Our psvdo historians again do not know who to pour more dirt on. They would go to work already, parasites.
    1. +3
      15 September 2015 19: 47
      Very interesting investigation.
      The author has a thousand thanks and "local likes" (+ pluses).
      ps Seriously, great article.
      1. +3
        15 September 2015 19: 59
        Quote: mirag2
        A thousand thanks to the author


        Serving the Fatherland!
  2. +5
    15 September 2015 07: 20
    Theme Schmeisser vs Kalashnikov is inexhaustible, like an atom.

    Why's that. The issue is resolved quite simply. The development of any weapon is accompanied by a mass of documentation, from purely administrative to concrete drawings of units, parts, etc. Enough to declassify them and EVERYTHING! questions will automatically be removed. There can be nothing really secret in those documents because AK has been studied up and down; even under artisanal conditions, Afghans are sculpting it on their knees. Already there is not a single person standing at the origins of its development, so what's the matter?
    1. +6
      15 September 2015 08: 12
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Already there is not a single person standing at the origins of its development, so what's the matter?

      Once again, another "scoop exposer" will light up in the hope that he will be noticed by the chubys, khodor, vekselbergs and other evil spirits ...
    2. +3
      15 September 2015 17: 19
      Mera jota

      Somehow I do not care what the role of H. Schmeiser in the development of AK. To be honest, I do not see any special role in this matter.

      Sewing machines have been functioning for 100 years. Is there really a big difference? Well, maybe the materials.

      AK-47 Soviet weapons. Will anyone argue? And if not, then why push the water in the mortar?
  3. +19
    15 September 2015 08: 07
    Quote: Mera Joota
    Enough to declassify them and EVERYTHING!

    Declare a fake in a pinch. All documents have been declassified for a long time - see the latest scan in my article. The characteristics and lists themselves were also closed, although they did not have a neck. Case for publication.
    When I was transferred to the Kalashnikov Museum, drawings of his first samples with his signatures for deposit, ask, they will show.
    Quote: Mera Joota
    Already there is not a single person standing at the origins of its development, so what's the matter?

    Alexander Alexandrovich Malimon is alive, healthy and is preparing to celebrate his 100 anniversary. In his book, everything is described in detail.
    1. avt
      +8
      15 September 2015 09: 22
      Quote: bunta
      All documents have been declassified for a long time - see the latest scan in my article. The characteristics and lists themselves were also closed, although they did not have a neck. Case for publication.

      Thank you for not letting the "historians" get off the ground! good It is necessary to push at the first creep of these authors fantasy!
      1. +4
        15 September 2015 09: 55
        Quote: avt
        Thank you for not letting the "historians" get off the ground!


        And you know, Vasily Kryukov, not so bad. Together with him we fought against the demolition of the Izhevsk plant management building - an object of cultural and historical significance in 2010, against the destruction of the main building of Izhmash. For the history of Izhevsk, Vasily really did a lot. Until he "suffered" for his nationalist views bordering on Nazism. I told him that by holding on to Schmeisser he was only hurting himself. I would have raised Gruner (after all, there is a reason!). No. Doesn't want or don't allow.
        I think he is a hostage to the situation in which he found himself. The West strongly supports the ideological duck about the greatness of Schmeisser and his alleged participation in the creation of AK. This can be seen even in the photo that Vasily sent from Suhl. If Vasily does not support this duck, and suddenly begins to speak to Grüner, a figure a cut above Schmeisser, a man who really was a bridge of two cultures, his life will change very quickly. And instead of Bavarian sausages, he will have to be content with a prison jabber in the Izhevsk pre-trial detention center. Sorry man.
        1. 0
          15 September 2015 17: 27
          If only Hugo Schmeiser knew that his "greatness" lies in the creation of a pathetic semblance of a Singer machine. He would have strangled himself in 10 minutes.

          H. Schmeiser is primarily a production worker. This is a hundred times more important than dealing with such a mouinne as it is sprayed on trifles.

          For example, I didn’t know that he had raised the production of IL-49. This news is interesting.
          Yes, and in the photo he looks very happy. He was engaged in the usual business and the money paid was not bad.
          1. +1
            15 September 2015 18: 08
            Quote: gladcu2
            For example, I did not know that he raised the production of IZH-49.

            in which place? :)
        2. 0
          15 September 2015 17: 31
          bunta

          Many are burning because of their beliefs. According to Orthodox morality, this is a matter of honor.

          The rest is not a decree for us.
    2. +3
      15 September 2015 11: 23
      As these "historians" are tired of all want to ... well, the State Department lick the State Department. My father participated in the adoption of the Kalashnikov assault rifle into service. I saw the Designer, talked to him and signed a decision on the recommendation of adopting the machine gun for service as part of the commission. He told me about this many years ago. There are no words about Hugo Schmeisser, because he simply was not there.
    3. +2
      15 September 2015 11: 23
      As these "historians" are tired of all want to ... well, the State Department lick the State Department. My father participated in the adoption of the Kalashnikov assault rifle into service. I saw the Designer, talked to him and signed a decision on the recommendation of adopting the machine gun for service as part of the commission. He told me about this many years ago. There are no words about Hugo Schmeisser, because he simply was not there.
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 17: 29
        Quote: tank64rus
        As these "historians" are tired of all want to ... well, the State Department lick the State Department. My father participated in the adoption of the Kalashnikov assault rifle into service. I saw the Designer, talked to him and signed a decision on the recommendation of adopting the machine gun for service as part of the commission. He told me about this many years ago. There are no words about Hugo Schmeisser, because he simply was not there.

        Is the State Department here? He doesn’t give a damn about this story.
    4. 0
      16 September 2015 07: 05
      Quote: bunta
      Declare a fake in a pinch.

      This is another question. There is always a hypothetical black cat who is doubting and looking for a dark room, but they are a minority.
      Quote: bunta
      see the latest scan in my article

      Documents about the work of Germans in the USSR have been known for a long time (not exactly the ones that are presented by you), there are books on this topic. Not in this case.
      Quote: bunta
      When I was transferred to the Kalashnikov Museum, drawings of his first samples with his signatures for deposit, ask, they will show.

      I am from such documents. Not only drawings, but all documents must be published, orders, orders, invoices, etc. It’s not enough for me from Siberia to get to the museum, as well as many lovers of the history of weapons.
      Agree, a book that would describe the process of creating an AK with the application of all documents would remove 90% of all questions that arise.
      1. +1
        16 September 2015 08: 56
        Questions remained only for those for whom the published is not enough. For such scans of invoices, they are not proof, they don't even need proofs, a pack of haloperidol. Chetrezh can only be read by a techie, and all the "doubters", either botanists or trivial trolls, are not proof of them.
        For example, the sketch of a submachine gun made by Schmeisser in Izhevsk says a lot. For 100% nerds and trolls nothing. I agree with you that the documents should be digitized and laid out, but not from the point of proof of authorship of the MTK. They are simply not there. But the cognitive interest is huge. Anyone who knows how to read blueprints will understand me. Question - who will pay?

        Quote: Mera Joota
        Agree, a book that would describe the process of creating an AK with the application of all documents would remove 90% of all questions that arise.


        What does Malimon not like? And all the documents in TsAMO and in Izhevsk. I tried to contact people who have access to TsAMO. They refused me even for the money. Guess why?
  4. +3
    15 September 2015 10: 05
    Motorcycles from the Germans turned out to be quite good, their descendants, the Izh-Planeta family, were appreciated not only in the USSR, but also abroad, durable, maintainable, unpretentious equipment, like the Minsk motorcycles, the origin of which is from the same DKW company
    1. +1
      15 September 2015 21: 56
      Quote: Gray 43
      Motorcycles from the Germans turned out to be quite good, their descendants, the Izh-Planeta family, were appreciated not only in the USSR, but also abroad, durable, maintainable, unpretentious equipment, like the Minsk motorcycles, the origin of which is from the same DKW company

      You did not mention the "Dnepr" prototype of BMW, well, we must not forget our motorcycles, namely the products of the Kovrov plant K-175, Voskhod, Voskhod-2 (2M, 3,3M)
  5. +3
    15 September 2015 10: 36
    The article is definitely a plus. But someone put a minus.
  6. +5
    15 September 2015 10: 42
    Quote: Mera Joota
    The issue is resolved quite simply. The development of any weapon is accompanied by a mass of documentation, from purely administrative to concrete drawings of units, parts, etc. Enough to declassify them and EVERYTHING! questions will automatically be removed.


    The question is removed even easier - from the already open documents it is known that the machine, which later became the AK-47, was presented to the competition in 1946 by a designer from M. Kovrov. Kalashnikov and in December already passed tests at the training ground. Mikhail Timofeevich moved to Izhevsk only in early 1949, when production was launched.
  7. +5
    15 September 2015 10: 43
    In Germany, they adopted PPS-43, as the best machine gun. And still variations on the theme of PPP-43 around the world. And now these losers are predicted in * genius *, they would be ashamed. Losers and also with claims. That in tanks, that in planes, that in artillery, German losers tried to copy and even this turned out to be inaccessible. And now they are trying on Kalashnikov *. Compare engineering developments, because everything is very clear, just do not be confused with design * refinements *. Looking at this, well, you can’t believe in the honesty of such writings, only for the fee you can lie like that. I can not believe in the disinterestedness of lies of such proportions.
    1. -1
      15 September 2015 17: 32
      Vasily 50.

      Maybe in the GDR?
      1. 0
        15 September 2015 19: 16
        There is no Federal Republic of Germany, with a different finish and marking, but it is PPS-43 (SUDAEVA submachine gun).
  8. +4
    15 September 2015 13: 01
    All these insinuations with Schmeisser and German specialists come from the West, and our pro-Western "historians" willingly push all this through. In response to this, it would not be bad for our historians to remind the West and all pro-Westerners how the Americans and the British were taking away German specialists and equipment from Germany. Suffice it to recall that the American space program and rocket technology, together with NASA, was created by Wernher von Braun, Hitler's designer. He almost became the head of NASA, but the Americans did not want the scandal that NASA is headed by Hitler's designer. It is worth publishing an article on the forum on this topic, how the Germans worked for America and what equipment and technologies the Americans managed to get in Germany. But without all this and the captured German specialists, the Americans hardly made progress, they appropriated all the achievements of the Germans.
    1. -1
      15 September 2015 17: 39
      Geser.

      You understand. For you, conviction in a lie is a trampled honor. For others, these are just empty words.

      Orthodox morality works only on the territory of the former USSR. Hope it still works. Since capitalism adheres to morality, put yourself in the knee of an applied position in advance.
  9. +3
    15 September 2015 13: 48
    Izhevsk motorcycles, for all their merits, were not a breakthrough in the global motorcycle industry. therefore, it’s not enough honor to join oneself in their birth.
    but to admit that the Russians are capable of something brilliant is beyond the forces of a Western liberal. which means: "the machine is rubbish, but a German invented it. or not: a German is rubbish, but he invented it ... damn it! .. oh rashka, it's time to bring down, cotton wool, cotton wool !!! 1111"
  10. 0
    15 September 2015 14: 46
    - It is strange to read about it, knowing that only the lazy one does not produce Kalashnikov assault rifles!
    And how much energy was spent on this cp-a4! Yes, with such zeal and evidence base could "bend" all manufacturers of "left" AK!
  11. +3
    15 September 2015 14: 50
    In reality, ideas and technologies flow according to the law of communicating vessels. Here are just communication channels in different historical eras have different bandwidth. We can say that Russian specialists created the basis of aircraft and television in the United States, and the Germans implemented the US space program. Of course, the necessary and accessible knowledge and technology from Germany after the victory were taken out. However, this is not unusual.
    After their victory over us after 1991, thousands of the best specialists of the USSR left for the USA. But they are silent about this and the consequences of this.
  12. +1
    15 September 2015 15: 59
    All these .... no longer know where to bite the Russian people. They use hackneyed tales about borrowing and almost theft of ideas. For grandmas lick their masters to shine. In my opinion, all these critics have a place in the trash.
  13. -4
    15 September 2015 17: 58
    I would like to put dots over i.

    The ak-47 itself is an ordinary ordinary invention. Dear Kalashnikov, it was lucky once again that his name was in a row with a million-strong circulation of soldiers' trust in their weapons. Could B name this machine Type-47. And no one would have remembered neither about Kalashnikov, much less about Schmeiser.

    After all, the creation of a clutch on IL-49 is much more complicated than making an AK. Well, who remembers that student mechanic.
    1. +3
      15 September 2015 18: 17
      Quote: gladcu2
      AK-47 itself is an ordinary ordinary invention


      I have to disagree with you.
    2. +1
      15 September 2015 20: 19
      Quote: gladcu2
      The ak-47 itself is an ordinary ordinary invention.


      Well, of course, these are only sun-kissing inventors from the west ....

      Ahhh ... Man, you won’t keep up ... you’re sitting there laughing and sit, why are you here? belay
      1. +1
        16 September 2015 20: 03
        It is strange that you do not see the most important thing.

        The value of the AK-47 is not that it is a super technological breakthrough.

        Its value is in the justifiable trust of soldiers to their weapons.

        The AK-47 has nothing to invent. This simplest product is akin to a toilet latch. Forget the word invent in relation to any small arms.

        To raise the name of the inventor of weapons is nonsense in relation to modern time. There are much more important products manufactured by the names of the inventors which are not deservedly ignored. Although the story should certainly remember its names.
      2. -1
        16 September 2015 20: 21
        Dali

        Name at least one sunshine inventor of the West, as applied to modern small arms.

        There, their names for tailor scissors do not catch air drills.
    3. +1
      15 September 2015 20: 24
      Quote: gladcu2
      I would like to put dots over i.


      By the way, don't you want to put "dots" over xy from xy? laughing

      Yes, how much now do your mattress owners pay for the comments? Beneficial though not ?! laughing
      1. 0
        16 September 2015 20: 08
        They don’t pay me anything.

        When I make my comments, I use logic based on general knowledge and common number.
        1. +1
          16 September 2015 21: 51
          Quote: gladcu2
          When I make my comments, I use logic based on general knowledge and common number.


          You have some strange selective common sense ... laughing
  14. +1
    15 September 2015 18: 16
    they love us all liberal scum before the West they bow themselves can not do anything but always find fault
  15. 0
    15 September 2015 18: 45
    The dispute is about nothing, "Kalash" was piled in Kovrov, in Izhevsk, the release was established, already put into service. Kalashnikov himself, in Izhevsk, arrived only in 48.
  16. +1
    15 September 2015 18: 46
    Correct article. Easy to understand, documented. Chatterboxes and spreads of various rumors have a lesson in how to back up their "opuses" with facts.
  17. 0
    16 September 2015 10: 31
    More about Schmeiser than about Werner von Braun. Although the second has done much more.
  18. 0
    16 September 2015 15: 23
    We must pay tribute to Schmeiser, he was not so mediocre
    as believed in the city of Izhevsk.
    Hugo Schmeiser created in 1943 a nice little thing: MP 43.
    Later the name was changed to Stg-44.
    1. -1
      16 September 2015 20: 16
      Voyaka

      You will be surprised how much more he could technologically equip and ordinary hard workers came up with so that in general that ordinary product could be launched into the series.

      Schmeiser is primarily a good producer. A good producer does not hesitate to make any simple products such as small arms.
      1. +3
        16 September 2015 21: 56
        Quote: gladcu2
        When I make my comments, I use logic based on general knowledge and common number.


        Quote: gladcu2
        Schmeiser is primarily a good producer. A good producer does not hesitate to make any simple products such as small arms.


        This is common sense ... but I thought ... for what we designers, manufacturers of small arms themselves come up with, construct ... laughing laughing laughing
    2. +1
      16 September 2015 23: 13
      In 43, XIII was no longer a designer, but an administrative director. He was replaced by Stumpel. Stg-44 and Mkb-42 (h), to which Schmeisser really could have been, are two different types of weapons. Although even before the 43 of the year XIII was more involved in administrative matters than in construction, he sued the Vollmerov, Bergman, handled business with the Udet, and created an enterprise for the production of air machine guns. Before storming, was he honestly speaking?
      This is the first. And the second is that the Stg-44 is an ersatz weapon. In 45, the Germans were already looking for a replacement.
      1. 0
        17 September 2015 13: 57
        ". And the second is that the Stg-44 is an ersatz weapon" ////

        This ersatz managed to fight in general. And at the beginning of 44 years
        get into Soviet trophies, where he was tested at the training grounds.
        The term "assault rifle" Assault Rifle, used in the West, is a literal translation of "assault rifle". Those. The Stg-44 gave its name to an entire class of small arms.
        Its main drawback was not poor fighting qualities, but
        the complexity and complexity of manufacturing.
        1. +1
          17 September 2015 19: 09
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And already at the beginning of the 44 year
          get into Soviet trophies, where he was tested at the training grounds.

          Not 44, but 43. And not Stg-44 but Mkb-42.
          Its main disadvantage is high weight and low reliability.
          Unsubscribe somehow on this issue.
  19. RRR
    +3
    16 September 2015 18: 39
    bunta!
    Thanks for the article, separately for the scans. Especially for the scan of Schmeisser's characteristics.
    This is what I usually lacked to convince supporters of the "AK made Schmeisser" version. Man sabotaged ALL could not even over a 10-year period, design and bring the machine to a delivery condition.
    I am writing this to you all as a mechanical engineer with many years of experience developing custom equipment.

    One more. Children! (And here the majority are) Until you learn how to work, and not drive the hell out of your computer, CAREFULLY read what experienced people write in your field, remember this because you yourself will not reach this very soon.
    1. +1
      16 September 2015 23: 30
      Dear RRR! Accept the assurances of the utmost respect for you as a fellow man. Indeed, for those whose ability to create something ends at the level of a skein of blue electrical tape, it is difficult to understand the features of engineering. Only those who created something for others can truly appreciate and judge us.
  20. -3
    16 September 2015 21: 56
    I want to pay attention to the following.

    The epithet "created" refers to more essential things. For example, to create an automobile industry, to create a Proton rocket.

    The epithet "invented" refers to products using a new or some kind of principle in the basis. For example a wheel, a propeller, a worm gear.

    The epithet "made" just refers to the AK-47 and other simple things.

    Kalashnikov was lucky that in the USSR it was customary to tie small arms to the name, it is appropriate to say, of the inventor, since this word is a common cliche.

    Sincerely.
    1. +1
      16 September 2015 22: 03
      Quote: gladcu2
      The epithet "made" refers to the AK-47 and others simple things

      Well, I don’t know .. like an engineer, like not a white-handed person .. but I would not dare to say that the Kalash is "an easy thing".

      And somehow I (foolishly) did a complete disassembly of Nagan .. damn it, shut up to collect it later (there the fighting spring is not very conveniently inserted into place, yes) .. just collect it, ready already .. and come up with something like that - Nah .. not to me, definitely laughing

      PS - cons - not mine No.