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At the Izhevsk plant spent upgrading SAM "Wasp"

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The Electromechanical Plant Kupol (Izhevsk) offers the Russian Defense Ministry and foreign customers an upgraded version of the Osa-AKM1 anti-aircraft complex, reports MIC with reference to one of the managers of the company Igor Ivanov.




“Experimental design work was carried out and a prototype of the new“ Wasp ”was created. Improved a number of combat and operational characteristics. The complex is made on the basis of modern electronic database. Thanks to all this, the life of the "Wasps" was able to extend at least 15 years. ”- said Ivanov, recalling that "Wasp" was created 45 years ago.

“The long service life of this complex is due to the fact that it was created by ingenious designers who laid down weapon great modernization potential, ”he said.

“Both in the Russian Armed Forces and in a number of foreign countries, the Osa is still actively exploited and participates in some military conflicts,” Ivanov noted.
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  1. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 12 September 2015 11: 58 New
    +9
    Wasp, she and in Africa Wasp, and work it until the end of the century.
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 12 September 2015 12: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      Wasp, she and in Africa Wasp, and work it until the end of the century.


      It’s a pity that they didn’t indicate exactly what they had finalized and improved. It’s interesting. And spies already know everything, for that they are spies. But to know is not enough, to be able to repeat it is still necessary to be able to! I remember that there was a story with the abduction of BMP, which was dismantled on the cogs, but could not be copied.
    2. vodolaz
      vodolaz 12 September 2015 12: 48 New
      +3
      Brilliant designers have developed it, since their creation is still relevant.
      1. remy
        remy 12 September 2015 14: 52 New
        +1
        in general, it’s not really!
        We are moving actively to the air defense system Tor
        1. Ajent cho
          Ajent cho 12 September 2015 19: 14 New
          +2
          in general, it’s not really!
          We are moving actively to the air defense system Tor
          Remember, Thor can swim?
      2. Zigmars
        Zigmars 12 September 2015 17: 40 New
        +1
        One of them is Benjamin Efremov, who is the bright head!
    3. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 12 September 2015 14: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      Wasp, she and in Africa Wasp, and work it until the end of the century.

      Until the end of the 21 century? wassat Even if it will be possible to replace all lamp units with modern electronics, where to take missiles, the production of which stopped 25 years ago. Currently, all missiles have expired service life. The complex itself, the production of which began 40 years ago, is hopelessly outdated and no modernization will help it. request It is better to spend limited financial resources on new complexes.
      1. shans2
        shans2 12 September 2015 17: 57 New
        +4
        expired missiles are not being exploited in Russia (this is not a degraded Ukraine with expired Soviet missiles), no need to push everyone here, everything is still being done.
        1. Finkelstein
          Finkelstein 12 September 2015 20: 22 New
          -7
          Aha laughing

          And most importantly, what is the organization of the soldiers and the reaction

          1. Days
            Days 12 September 2015 20: 44 New
            +7
            Failure and expiration are two different things.

            I don’t even know what the Israelis will say, for example, about the F-35 accident, whose engine caught fire during take-off. Probably the same as about the downed Israeli plane: "but this was not and cannot be!"
            1. Finkelstein
              Finkelstein 12 September 2015 20: 58 New
              -4
              According to experts of the independent Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), Russia practically did not use expensive high-precision weapons during the conflict (war with Georgia). Experts emphasize that Russian troops used conventional shells and bombs, including those whose service life has already expired.
          2. TOR2
            TOR2 12 September 2015 22: 56 New
            +4
            Quote: Finkelstein
            And most importantly, what is the organization of the soldiers and the reaction

            Why didn’t you like the reaction? Someone was scared there, panic started? In general, all ammunition produced in the 90s needs to be withdrawn from circulation.
        2. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 13 September 2015 01: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: shans2
          expired missiles are not being exploited in Russia (this is not a degraded Ukraine with expired Soviet missiles), no need to push everyone here, everything is still being done.

          Do not mind the big mind fool Where is it produced? If only in your fantasies? The production of the most recent modification, Osa-AKM and ZUR 9K33M3, was completed in 1988. However, except for “Wasps”, the deadlines for the Strela-10 and C-300PS missiles are overdue. Only minus-minders are not aware negative
      2. opus
        opus 15 September 2015 02: 13 New
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        Quote: zyablik.olga
        where to get missiles, the production of which ceased 25 years ago.


        ?
        SAM 9M33 (modifications) Kirov Machine-Building Plant named after The 20th Party Congress (VMP "AVITEK), since 2002 of the year, has been a member of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern.

        simulator of an air target (missile target) "Saman" 9Ф41, the same as SAM "Osa-AKM" (9М33)

        SAM 9K33-1Т "Wasp-1Т" of Belarus and SAM 9М33М2 (3).
        Releases Tetrahedron









        If the composition of the SAM 9K33-1T "OSA-1T" includes anti-aircraft guided missiles , then this SAM is designated T38 STYLE.


        SAM Z382 (produced by the Ukrainian state-owned company Artem)



  2. kimyth1
    kimyth1 12 September 2015 12: 01 New
    +11
    the glory of Soviet designers will not fade for many more years !!! drinks
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 12 September 2015 12: 08 New
      +12
      They knew how to do hell ...
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 12 September 2015 20: 42 New
        0
        Meehan, special for you to shoot, blockage of the western carcass. And nothing that it is not homing. It's just beautiful good . [media = http: // https: //youtu.be/zBWcsJxiLqk])))
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 12 September 2015 20: 43 New
          +3
          ........................................
          1. tchoni
            tchoni 12 September 2015 21: 38 New
            +1
            where did you get such a movie nonsense? and why posted?
          2. STALGRAD76
            STALGRAD76 13 September 2015 00: 25 New
            0
            What Hollywood doesn't do
    2. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 12 September 2015 12: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: kimyth1
      the glory of Soviet designers will not fade for many more years !!!


      "Do not fade." "Soviet" - with a small letter. "Design Engineers" in this case. "Years," not "years." Respect the hell Russian language, especially if you are him carrier!
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 12 September 2015 13: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        "Do not fade." "Soviet" - with a small letter. "Design Engineers" in this case. "Years," not "years." Respect the devil, the Russian language, especially if you are a native speaker!

        Glory, then, also with a capital letter. laughing
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 12 September 2015 14: 34 New
          -1
          Quote: lelikas
          Glory, then, also with a capital letter.


          Fact!
      2. kotvov
        kotvov 12 September 2015 18: 58 New
        +1
        Respect the hell Russian language, especially if you are a native speaker! ,,
        it depends on what context to lay, so I do not agree with you.
        1. kimyth1
          kimyth1 12 September 2015 19: 52 New
          +3
          damn some teachers or something today on VO. !!! ??? laughing
  3. SSR
    SSR 12 September 2015 12: 01 New
    +12
    I think these complexes in Donbass helped the militia very well and not without reason recently the air defense exercises were in the DPR ... Maybe polite experts raised the level of skill in using the complex?
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 September 2015 12: 01 New
    +3
    I wonder how much the new "Wasp" sting has become longer? One and a half times, probably.
  5. roskot
    roskot 12 September 2015 12: 03 New
    +2
    This wasp stings mortally. The sting has become longer. And lives for a long time in spite of enemies.
  6. SAG
    SAG 12 September 2015 12: 04 New
    +3
    Honestly did not expect. It seems that shell-2 was already firing at the exercises and the new torus and beech-m3 were already promised to the troops, and then there was a wasp ... winked
  7. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 12 September 2015 12: 08 New
    +5
    Surely an inexpensive complex, in comparison with the new ones, of course. A good remedy for the poor from peacekeeping bombings.
  8. tchoni
    tchoni 12 September 2015 12: 13 New
    0
    Damn, to be honest, the idea of ​​combining the means of destruction and means of detection in one machine has outlived itself. Complexes like the "axis" can only work effectively when they are inside the zone of responsibility of long-range complexes or an additional powerful long-range radar. Otherwise, if the enemy has effective means of destroying radar, the fate of such stations is an ambush tactic with visual detection of targets and turning on the radar only if the enemy is in the zone of confident destruction of their own missiles
    1. Anton56
      Anton56 12 September 2015 12: 46 New
      +7
      I do not agree with you. A fully autonomous combat unit is right. Take the same “beech” - the JMA can work both independently and as part of the battery, and as part of the division.
      The maximum launch range of modern anti-radar missiles exceeds the firing range of medium-range air defense systems such as beech and wasp. (although 300 is also formally medium-range, but my opinion is that it is long-range) But, firstly, in case of enemy use of PRR and interference, there are special modes of operation. And, secondly, 300-current and 400-current are not enough for everyone, we need more mobile relatively inexpensive systems that can operate close to the leading edge, including and not in the full division. If the guidance station fails in the same circle, then the remaining units are eliminated from the battle. Universals are deprived of this drawback.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 12 September 2015 21: 33 New
        0
        Quote: Anton56
        A fully autonomous combat unit is right.

        oh? By combining the machine, we make it excessively complex. And this complexity is not always justified.
        For the task of escorting columns in the absence of a global air defense system, in my short-range radar all-round radar is simply an additional intelligence sign. It does not provide a sufficient viewing radius (16-30 km is not a distance for modern aviation), while it itself is well detected by means of electronic intelligence.
        This argument makes me think that a low-altitude air defense system should work from an ambush and have a good complex of passive target detection (thermal imaging channel, the ability to work in diversity radar mode using other, more powerful stations as a radiation source, a radio intelligence complex that can detect the operation of UAV reconnaissance and communications equipment, it’s not necessary to implement all these channels, I just listed the possibilities) and a good electronic warfare station. At the same time, the functions of hitting targets can be given to another technique that follows in a collon. (fighter with MANPADS, BMP artillery and other means).
        Or, the option of combining, again, a powerful passive reconnaissance complex of targets with a high-performance (multi-channel, all-aspect) fire weapon controlled by an effective (also all-aspect and multi-channel) radar should be implemented.
    2. VP
      VP 12 September 2015 12: 55 New
      +11
      Yes, this is a low-altitude complex of mobile cover for columns and small objects, what is the diversity there?
      With its characteristics, it is against helicopters and drones, to whom it hunts.
      For more serious tasks, more serious complexes.
      1. Locksmith
        Locksmith 12 September 2015 16: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: VP
        who is hunting for him

        For NIMI, a colleague, for NIMI, their legion in the army — you can’t catch and kill every one, and she can very well “snap” back. wink
      2. tchoni
        tchoni 12 September 2015 20: 31 New
        -2
        Quote: VP
        Yes, this is a low-altitude complex of mobile cover for columns and small objects

        For a low-altitude complex, enough guns (like shilka) or MANPADS in general.
        1. VP
          VP 12 September 2015 22: 26 New
          +2
          Shilka 1,5-2 km (in memory)
          Wasp to tens. A serious technique can go from 15. There is already work for Bukov and Esok.
          Wasp is not an object cover, it is a front-line mobile installation.
      3. tchoni
        tchoni 12 September 2015 21: 34 New
        0
        I agree with this 100 percent.
    3. Kurou
      Kurou 12 September 2015 13: 06 New
      +8
      She is good at that ...
      That the system uses different types of machines and meditation guidance-neutralization
      Even if individual links are blocked, others will not lose effectiveness.

      Yes, and as noted above ... to use large systems against unmanned vehicles?
      Why shoot sparrows from a cannon ...
      Let them be demolished by a small mobile installation that does not unmask the positions of a serious air defense system ahead of schedule
    4. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 12 September 2015 14: 04 New
      +8
      Quote: tchoni
      Damn, to be honest, the idea of ​​integrating the means of destruction and means of detecting oneself in one machine has become obsolete.

      It is difficult to agree with this. no For military air defense systems operating directly in the combat orders of the ground forces, such a scheme is optimal.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 12 September 2015 20: 30 New
        0
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        For military air defense systems operating directly in the combat orders of the ground forces, such a scheme is optimal.

        For the military air defense system, MANPADS are enough and it is not worth complicating this link by stuffing sophisticated equipment into it. There is enough hemorrhoids.
        1. Parsec
          Parsec 12 September 2015 21: 39 New
          +5
          Amazing arrogance, along with profound ignorance.

          Well, you can’t do it this way - no comment, by and by.

          War is a science, air defense is a complex science, and then they famously shouted and looked victoriously. You would have to MANPADS and the task of providing cover for at least five battalions during the day, and then ask for the results. If you will ask anyone.
        2. VP
          VP 12 September 2015 22: 28 New
          +3
          MANPADS are powerless if they begin to shave the convoy from 5-7 km.
          Moreover, MANPADS can work when a raid has already begun, it can’t be detected on approach.
  9. onix757
    onix757 12 September 2015 12: 16 New
    0
    Whose target designation systems?
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 12 September 2015 21: 41 New
      0
      Please open a question.
  10. BOB044
    BOB044 12 September 2015 12: 27 New
    +3
    May the land of Russia not be impoverished by the talents of weapons designers. good
  11. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 12 September 2015 12: 38 New
    +3
    that is what the correct design idea means - modernization is again relevant.
  12. Makarov
    Makarov 12 September 2015 15: 18 New
    0
    Epic old woman ... the idea takes root in air defense for a long time ...
  13. muhomor
    muhomor 12 September 2015 15: 33 New
    -4
    On the Wasp, there are enough electronics for the battery, enough for the battery (5 antennas hangs and one sighting device), and efficiency is frail (in range, in height, in speed). In short, it's time to move on to the Shell and Torah.
  14. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 12 September 2015 15: 33 New
    +4
    I think that in addition to people like some "couch experts", the RF Armed Forces have experts of a higher class! But do you not allow, dear ones, that during the modernization they installed new electronics and a new rocket (cooler than the previous one), modernization is therefore called modernization from the words "MODERN" (I hope it is not necessary to interpret the meaning)!
  15. Parsec
    Parsec 12 September 2015 16: 40 New
    +9
    Surprisingly decisive commentators on issues unknown to them.
    Antenna on the Axis 9 for the radar and 2 for the radio, a total of 11, but not 5. Perfect electronics - a must. One combat vehicle solves all shooting tasks - detection, tracking, missile launch, guidance.
    In the regiment (division) one type of machine is used. What is meant by neutralization?
    "Complexes like the" axis "can only work effectively when they are inside the zone of responsibility of long-range complexes or an additional powerful long-range radar." The Osa SAM system has a high-potential radar with a detection range of 45 km and a three-beam survey. In terms of potential - the ratio of transmitter power / receiver sensitivity - the detection station is capable of detecting a target like a fighter at a distance of 250 km. But 45 km have been made to increase the pace of the review. A typical target for an air defense system is a tactical fighter. Attempts to establish principles of use by people who have no idea about weapons are annoying in places.
  16. vobels
    vobels 12 September 2015 17: 34 New
    0
    Glad for our designers and manufacturers, well done! So there is still creativity and working hands are growing from the right place.
  17. Old26
    Old26 12 September 2015 18: 33 New
    -1
    Quote: shans2
    expired missiles are not being exploited in Russia (this is not a degraded Ukraine with expired Soviet missiles), no need to push everyone here, everything is still being done.

    The complex was discontinued in 1988. And until what time were rockets produced?

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    I wonder how much the new "Wasp" sting has become longer? One and a half times, probably.

    In the same dimensions and in the same TPK - hardly. Then there must be other rockets
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 12 September 2015 19: 07 New
      +4
      The main method of pointing the Osa air defense system is three-point, and the launch angle of the rocket is constant. Launching a rocket after launch to the line of sight requires vigorous maneuvering. Changing the guidance method in the initial section allows you to increase the range of one and a half times. Perhaps a change in the rocket engine, and possibly a combination of options.
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 13 September 2015 07: 20 New
        -1
        The first 300 m fly stupidly "blank", then captured by a "wide" beam, then "medium", then "narrow". What is maneuvering here?
        No wonder the "Thor" appeared. We "pissed boiling water" as we wanted to get on it.
        1. Parsec
          Parsec 13 September 2015 11: 41 New
          0
          You do not know the work of the complex and have not seen the launches. Sorry.

          In a wide beam, the rocket will always be, regardless of launch conditions.
          The response of the rocket is captured at a distance of 150 m, and from that moment the middle beam is turned on and the rocket control in the corners begins. But in order to bring a rocket into the beam of the target tracking station, it is also a narrow beam, the corresponding commands are issued, hence the energetic maneuvering.
          1. Barakuda
            Barakuda 13 September 2015 18: 14 New
            -2
            I made fun of it, I didn’t see any launches, especially in Kazakhstan, I “pressed” the buttons myself, but oh well, let it be as it is. winked
  18. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 13 September 2015 01: 49 New
    0
    It’s even wonderful that the designers do not rest on their laurels, but earn.
  19. Barakuda
    Barakuda 13 September 2015 06: 56 New
    -2
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    I wonder how much the new "Wasp" sting has become longer? One and a half times, probably.

    Sorry, but no. The missile reaches 10300 m. Although even the documentation indicates 10 km. But the instructor officers gave us little jokes verbally.
    OSA has one big minus - active interference. When the indicator is stupidly lit, only operator intuition can help. Maybe in the modernized part they compensated .. In general, the life of the machine depends on the operator (only vision sets quickly) - you still need to see the anti-radiation separating from the carrier, and YELL “HIGH”, there is such a button, and drove through the gases, otherwise after 10 seconds the funnel is in place .
    By the way, Belarusians have carried out modernization for a long time.
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 13 September 2015 11: 57 New
      +1
      Active interference affects any complex.

      The Osa anti-aircraft missile immunity is ensured by narrow radiation patterns, manual adjustment of the receiver gain and group protection - frequency spacing in the battery. Shooting on the carrier of noise interference is elementary. What does the operator with his intuition, it is not clear. Wasp is one of the most noise-resistant complexes, provided that trained people work. Although the operator’s training requirement applies to both the hammer and the crowbar.

      Shouting is not High, but Equivalent, and consider the range, and then as indicated in the Shooting Rules. Someone told you tales, and you took it uncritically.

      The life of the machine depends on the head of the calculation. There are three operators on the Wasp, which one do you mean?
  20. Barakuda
    Barakuda 13 September 2015 17: 54 New
    -2
    Quote: Parsec
    Shouting is not High, but Equivalent, and consider the range, and then as indicated in the Shooting Rules. Someone told you tales, and you took it uncritically.

    What is the "Equivalent"? ! Here it is in seconds! What are the calculations? You can’t cut down a high one - an ass and a coffin with lamps .. And the IKO operator - god and mother in one person, when they attack you, the commander only looks at the buttons in front, and the hat speaks to the mats.
    I am writing as a commander in the former AKM Wasp. And no fucking forgive me "treat" smart tirades.
    Or should I tell you how a stable local oscillator works ... with waveguide formulas ..?
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 13 September 2015 19: 15 New
      +2
      You also do not know the firing in the conditions of anti-radar missiles, and you have not seen the rules of firing.
      "IKO operator" is called the search operator. The former in Russian will be "in the past." What was your position called when you were the commander of Wasp AKM?
      It is understandable, people far from real weapons often want to show involvement in it, especially in critical situations, such as when they attack and the count goes on for seconds, and then some kind of "IKO operator" mother and god all rolled into one. In real work, this is not so at all, and two other operators provide shooting at the PRR.
  21. Barakuda
    Barakuda 13 September 2015 17: 57 New
    -2
    Quote: Parsec
    and count range

    You can see the range on the grid (when capturing, it’s clear that there is a tricky handle, combine the strobe), will you forgive me even in the car? And what doors they jump into there. And what is a "wave reflector", a question for de.bi.lov 1st year.
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 13 September 2015 19: 18 New
      +2
      There is no grid on any indicator. There are circular range marks on the IKO.
      Well, the tricky pen is the crown.
      You do not know the car.
      Do not aggravate.
  22. sivuch
    sivuch 15 September 2015 16: 22 New
    0
    SW.Parsec
    Could you answer a few questions about Wasp?
    I always thought that its main drawback was a long reaction time. Could you clarify how it is determined and how much it can be reduced during modernization?
    Did you (i.e., your air defense system) mainly work autonomously or from the table?
    In general, the PU-12 (and ASPD in the first place) in your regiment was used for its intended purpose? I heard a lot of negativity about the PU-12, but maybe this only applies to the earlier versions
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 16 September 2015 17: 27 New
      0
      I saw your question only today.

      But why do you need in Israel the prospect of modernizing an air defense system that is armed with the enemy?

      Quote: sivuch
      its main disadvantage is a long reaction time
      - the parameter is defined as a disadvantage, while the definition of the parameter is unknown?

      What was meant by "stand-alone or from the table"?

      Who heard "A lot of negativity about PU-12"?

      Leave your mail. Volumetric questions and with limitations are not answered in detail here.
  23. sivuch
    sivuch 17 September 2015 08: 19 New
    0
    I’ll try to write in the near future. But maybe not right away, I have problems with the computer
  24. sivuch
    sivuch 18 September 2015 11: 54 New
    0
    sent in a personal