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Su-24M worked “Afghan landing” at the airport near Orenburg

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Assistant commander of the Central Military District, Colonel Yaroslav Roshchupkin reported that the crews of the Su-24M front-line bombers had worked out the extreme "Afghan" approach approach during the flight to operational airfields.




“The most difficult types of landings pilots worked during the flight to the Orenburg region. They allow aircraft to be protected from rocket launches of portable anti-aircraft missile systems and were used by Soviet pilots during the fighting in Afghanistan, ”he said. "Reedus".

The colonel noted that the pilots were landing on a steep glide, starting a sharp drop from a height of 3 kilometers, being only 15 kilometers from the airfield. With this maneuver, the vertical speed reaches 20 m / s, and this is more in 4-5 than with standard landing.

In addition, at night, pilots worked landing on a low glide to an unlit aerodrome without the use of aircraft headlights.

The teachings of the Su-24M crews are held as part of a surprise test of the combat readiness of the troops and forces of the Central Military District, announced by Russian President Vladimir Putin on September 7. It employs about 95 thousands of military personnel, more than 7 thousand units of military equipment and weapons, and about 170 aircraft.
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  1. biolant
    biolant 11 September 2015 10: 58 New
    +25
    And the teachings are getting harder and harder!
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 11 September 2015 11: 02 New
      +13
      "hard in learning - easy in battle" Alexander Suvorov
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 11 September 2015 11: 29 New
        +11
        Something seems to me more and more that the TsVO troops are preparing for Syria. Exercises on the transfer of troops and cargo to unfamiliar airfields, landing in difficult conditions, etc. I think that after the GDP trip to New York everything will spin.
        1. twincam
          twincam 11 September 2015 11: 45 New
          +5
          agree with you.
          but I think for a long time everything has been thought out and decided, so that a trip to the GDP in Tan will not change anything globally.
          as a bonus, Putin again zarit "exclusive" nation lol
          1. Bort radist
            Bort radist 11 September 2015 11: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: twincam
            Something seems to me more and more that the TsVO troops are preparing for Syria.

            Quote: twincam
            agree with you.
            but I think for a long time everything has been thought out and decided,

            Quote: g1v2
            that after the GDP trip to New York

            We can assume a statement to the press - "Yes, there are, yes we help in the framework of contracts and agreements, ..."
        2. Sashka
          Sashka 11 September 2015 11: 45 New
          +22
          In his Munich speech, the GDP made a warning once, at the Russia-NATO summit as early as April 4, 2008, it made 2, moreover, it did not predict Wangi’s misfortune:

          Russian President Vladimir Putin at a private meeting of the Russia-NATO Council in Bucharest on April 4 made it clear that if it joins the alliance, Ukraine may cease to exist as a single state, Kommersant claims. And Abkhazia and South Ossetia will be recognized by Russia to create a "buffer zone" between Georgia (as a member of the alliance) and Russia.

          According to the publication, Putin at the meeting confirmed that Moscow sees NATO’s approaching the borders of the Russian Federation as a real threat to the interests of the Russian Federation and promised adequate measures, in particular, hinted that if NATO provides a membership action plan (MAP) to Georgia’s NATO, Russia will recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia, relying on the Kosovo precedent, will thereby create a buffer zone between NATO forces and its borders.

          “However, the Russian president spoke quite calmly about Georgia and, as it were, in passing,” a source in the delegation of one of the NATO countries told the newspaper. “When it came to Ukraine, Putin fell on fire. Turning to Bush, he said:“ You understand, George that Ukraine is not even a state! What is Ukraine? Part of its territories is Eastern Europe, and part, and a significant one, was donated by us! "And here he very transparently hinted that if Ukraine were nevertheless admitted to NATO, this state would simply cease to exist. That is, in fact, it threatened that Russia could start rejection of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. "
          publication time: April 7, 2008 14:46 p.m.
          http://www.newsru.com/russia/07apr2008/annex.html

          Well, in Brussels there will be 3. And then, I think, it will spin, and how !!!
          Everyone understands that there’s nowhere to retreat, and there’s nothing to lose. If the United States bends, it loses its hegemony, if Russia bends, we will be slaves of the West and their values, we will feed the United States, and all sorts of ISIS and others will shine on its territory. So everything is up to victory. Good day.
        3. skifd
          skifd 11 September 2015 12: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: g1v2
          Something seems to me more and more that the troops are preparing to Syria. Exercises on the transfer of troops and cargo to unfamiliar airfields, landing in difficult conditions, etc. I think that after the GDP trip to New York everything will spin.


          Moscow managed to hide the laws and negotiations necessary for the expedition to Syria with the regional leaders of Africa, the Middle East, the Persian Gulf countries, as well as a whole expeditionary force that had time to prepare, load and go out of the ground with the latest weapons right in front of ISIS positions in Syria.


          Russian armored personnel carriers BTR-82 seen in the battle formations of the Syrian army, which is fighting in the area of ​​the city of Latakia. A video appeared on the network in which cars from Arzamas support the actions of government troops. (The news was spread earlier, but the main throw was on 24 of August.)


          Russia has been strengthening its position in Syria for several months, transferring specialists and equipment to the country, but leaks about this went only before the Berlin talks, Merkel, Oland and Poroshenko.


          The United States, it became clear that they overslept Russia and the "sun" is already burning a vacuum tan of their units in Syria.


          An interesting and great article. I recommend to read .

          http://cont.ws/post/119955
          1. Sashka
            Sashka 11 September 2015 12: 37 New
            0
            Thanks, I read it the other day. Logically ...
        4. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 11 September 2015 12: 53 New
          +3
          They just cook. It’s better to keep the army ready, but we’ll see it in Syria or not. Maybe even where it comes in handy, now there are a lot of divorced ...
        5. Fight cat
          Fight cat 11 September 2015 13: 26 New
          0
          similarly, taking into account the fact that the digital desert, in large numbers, and sets of equipment for desert coloring came to the warehouses. yes
        6. ancient
          ancient 11 September 2015 20: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: g1v2
          landing in difficult conditions


          I'm sorry, but this quote from the "article" - "In addition, at night the pilots made a low glide path landing on an unlit airfield without the use of aircraft headlights." belay

          IS A TOTAL Nonsense or a statement AT ALL, NOT A COMPETENT MAN !!!! am

          You have to come up with the same thing - NIGHT ..... the airfield is not lit ....... landing lights are not on .... and yet .. "new term" ... "low glide path" ... THIS IS HOW? ???? wassat

          If further such assistants to the commanders will "speak out", then Parashenko and Klitschkr with their "perls" will quietly rest aside wassat
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 September 2015 10: 58 New
    -5
    A friend said that the SU-24 (Iron) can not fly on 1 engine. Are there any experts? Share your experience.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 11 September 2015 11: 08 New
      +25
      Only ignorant bloggers disrespect it as an iron. I haven’t heard this from the pilots themselves. In general, pilots never insult their planes. They even communicate with them before departures. This is especially true for your aircraft. And about the engine: on one it can, but it depends on what speed, what bomb load, there are many factors. Over Donetsk, the Ukrainian Su-24 was damaged and reached the airfield after being hit by a MANPADS engine.
      1. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 11 September 2015 12: 14 New
        +2
        About the "exploits" ukroVVS they wrote a lot. And about that Su-24, that he with a damaged engine completed the task and pulled 300 km on one engine. It's all bullshit. Look at the photo of the planes damaged by MANPADS during the Afghan war, the Chechen events of 08.08.08/25/XNUMX. Su you will see there ... and that's it.
        But in general, ancient appear on the forum today, to clarify the situation and about landing on the Afghan version and about flying on one engine, fortunately, he flew quite a lot on the Su-24.
        1. ancient
          ancient 11 September 2015 19: 33 New
          +5
          Quote: Aleksandr1959
          In general, the ancient one will appear on the forum today, will clarify the situation about the landing on the Afghan version


          Hello Alexander! drinks Yes, I'm busy with "grandfather's" affairs .. either on the rocker, then on the merry-go-round, then at sea (since it’s not possible now, because everything is full of rotten fish) wassat

          Well, now about .. "Afghan landing" wassat As always .... "the airspegs blurted out" without thinking .. well, or again talked with the "familiar pilotsThere read it the other day .. one" airspeed "from Gvarzheisky, as he drove around the" ears "of the forum users .. talking about the" jahisti "during a sudden depressurization of the cabin .. especially "liked" about .. "bloating" and .. about "sleep in the cabin."
          And then they told him the pros ... yes ... the yellow press is resting wassat

          Okay .. let's move on to landing on the Su-24M along the .. "Afghan gradient", which does not imply a decrease from the height of the 3rd km on the landing course at a speed of 20 m / s, which is NOT THEORETICAL, or PRACTICAL, possible!
          Because in addition to the vertical rate of decline, there is also translational speed lol (well, they don’t know the “airspeeds” from the media that this plane is not a helicopter and it’s going down vertically .. well, it just can’t, unless in the only case when it’s corkscrews and a stake enters the ground .. here then yes .. only with vertical speed wassat).
          So 450 km / h (you can’t do less, because this is a minimum on an arrow of 20 g and a maximum speed for the production of wing mechanization soldier )
          in 1 minute we walk along the glide path 7,5 km and decrease by 1200 meters in height, in another minute another 7,5 km of the distance traveled along the glide path and another 1200 meters in height, i.e. 15 km have already passed and we have another 800 meters above the runway end wassat
          Hello to all new helpers belay commanders wassat fool
          1. ancient
            ancient 11 September 2015 19: 34 New
            +3
            Quote: ancient
            Hello to all new assistant commanders


            Now, in practice, the “Afghan gradient” is the execution of a maneuver when approaching in such a way as to carry out a descent in a steep downward spiral (roughly speaking, almost a complete bend around the tail with a decrease) and jump out on the ballast or between the ballast and ballistic registers already at a height of 250 meters 300, with a normal vertical speed of 3-5 m / s and at a speed of 380-400 (depending on landing weight) and make a landing (all turns are performed with the maximum possible rolls and within the angle of attack), i.e. short landing is in progress.
            And if .. "smear" as described in the article, then fool
            By the way, take-offs were carried out in exactly the same way ... almost immediately you perform a combat turn (or something similar), so as to make the turn radius or bend radius as small as possible).

            Any aircraft can fly on one engine, only at echelons much lower than planned on two.
            For Tu-22-1500 meters, for Tu-22M2 and 3 - 1500-1800 meters, for Su-24 1500-2100 (the lower the better, because less fuel consumption wink

            Well ... if so ... briefly drinks
          2. Aleksandr1959
            Aleksandr1959 11 September 2015 19: 52 New
            +2
            Then I read the other day .. one "airspeed" from Gvarzheisky, as he drove on the "ears" of the forum users .. talking about the "jahi" with a sudden depressurization of the cabin .. I especially "liked" about .. "bloating" and .. about "sleep in the cockpit. "

            In Tu-22M, in my opinion, was the cabin depressurized when entering the zone of possible fire contact in order to avoid explosive decompression?
            What about sleep? So, what about the oxygen mask? If the oxygen equipment fails, it may not be a dream but a loss of consciousness. Knyazev E. had a failure of oxygen equipment when he strained the press to squeeze blood to his head and decreased with the maximum possible dive angle. Marina Popovich described this incident and his younger son Konstantin told me.
            As for bloating, they told me a case about Poltava. The navigator-operator was not supposed to fly that day, so he ate tightly. I ate Okroshka, I drank some kvask. And then a replacement. In general, he threw his pants after the flight.
            On the Su-25T (there were no pressurized cabins on the first machines) they flew to altitudes of more than 7000 m to determine aerodynamic characteristics. They used the technique developed by the Scientific Research Institute of AKM. Half an hour before departure, breathe pure oxygen. Flying is also breathing pure oxygen. No more than three flights a week.
            1. Aleksandr1959
              Aleksandr1959 11 September 2015 20: 02 New
              +3
              And I remembered about the depressurization of the cabin. You must remember this incident. There was an order from either the Commander-in-Chief or the Minister of Defense for this occasion. When depressurization occurred on the An-12 due to crew gouging. The crew and one passenger lost consciousness. The passenger later passed away. The aircraft was uncontrolled in the air for several hours. The right one came in by some miracle, sent a plane down and brought the commander to life.
            2. ancient
              ancient 11 September 2015 20: 31 New
              +3
              Quote: Aleksandr1959

              In Tu-22M, in my opinion, was the cabin depressurized when entering the zone of possible fire contact in order to avoid explosive decompression?


              Not only on Tu, but on all machines with a pressurized cabin there is such an “aggregate” (system) called an automatic pressure regulator (automatic pressure regulator), so when performing flights with real databases, this system is transferred to “Battle mode” (ie it works half normal from Normal).

              I had a case when a Tu-16 was surpassed by a target from Komsomolsk..on the echelon 11, the “blister” was blown off the second piece of urman and nothing is all alive .. there is no decompression and especially bloating .. yes .. a lot of crashing and dust, but sopkoyno pulled up the mask, switched to an emergency supply of oxygen and .. with a vertical speed of 600 m / s .. decreased to 150 meters.
              Even nothing was sucked out of the nose of the navigator .. all the lines, meters and maps remained in place .. I really have glass on the commander’s watch .. "sucked out."
              You had the same case in CPPL .. somehow brought wink
          3. Aleksandr1959
            Aleksandr1959 11 September 2015 19: 58 New
            +1
            I sent you a sample of "creativity" in PM wassat Taken from one aviation theme group in Vkontakte.
    2. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 11 September 2015 11: 23 New
      +4
      ..... A friend said that the SU-24 (Iron) can not fly on 1 engine. Are there any experts? Share your experience ....

      .... Maybe ... Poor, but maybe ... For this, multi-engine aircraft are made .... In this case, -2 engines ... Safety standards require this .... lol
    3. Ctrannik
      Ctrannik 11 September 2015 13: 35 New
      0
      Article about Su24M. Su-24 and Su24M are completely different machines, if not right, the specialists will correct me.
      1. ancient
        ancient 11 September 2015 19: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Ctrannik
        Su-24 and Su24M are completely different machines, if not right, the specialists will correct me.


        It’s wrong that there are completely different cars .. there are differences, pus .. not critical .. I liked the simple ones more on piloting ... both in terms of stability and controllability soldier
    4. Ctrannik
      Ctrannik 11 September 2015 13: 35 New
      0
      Article about Su24M. Su-24 and Su24M are completely different machines, if not right, the specialists will correct me.
      1. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 11 September 2015 15: 07 New
        +1
        Your clarification is correct. Just out of habit, you write Su-24, Su-25 ... implying all modifications of the aircraft. Although it would probably be more competent to write a plane such as Su-24. Criticism accepted.
    5. ancient
      ancient 11 September 2015 19: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      A friend said that the SU-24 (Iron) can not fly on 1 engine.


      In fact, it was never called an iron. request
      Simple Su-24s (i.e., T-6s) were called suitcases, for the not yet narrowed tail section.
      Well, M-ki ... "swallows" or "Laibes", MP-ki - "sharks", MP-ki - "pelicans" soldier

      Do not fly, but fly! Yes, it can, but you need to take into account your flight weight at the moment and take the corresponding flight level lower (because you won’t cut the fast and the furious and “saw” on the same flight level, kerosene will end very quickly and then go home on foot) lol
  3. zao74
    zao74 11 September 2015 10: 59 New
    +3
    Get ready guys - it is necessary ...
  4. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 11 September 2015 10: 59 New
    +1
    Well done, well, skills are simply vital, we do not regret kerosene at last.
  5. Engineer
    Engineer 11 September 2015 11: 01 New
    +1
    More than once I saw this over Baltimore, I thought it was regularly included in the pilots flight program.
  6. morpogr
    morpogr 11 September 2015 11: 02 New
    0
    It’s hard to learn, easy in battle! Suvorov knew what he was saying.
    1. your1970
      your1970 11 September 2015 17: 59 New
      0
      Suvorov said, "It’s hard to learn, easy to camping trip"!!!!
      Different things, if that ....
  7. aviator1913
    aviator1913 11 September 2015 11: 02 New
    +4
    Good teachings, the main thing is that everything goes smoothly, without failures and errors, since such perutes of mistakes do not forgive. God forbid another incident ...
  8. Nord2015
    Nord2015 11 September 2015 11: 03 New
    +5
    I respect our pilots for their excellence, because yesterday they compared the F-35 with our airplanes and the main advantage of the mattresses was in their pilots, the Aces. With impunity to bomb countries that do not have normal air defense, you still have to be an ace. And they would try as our "Afghan landing".
  9. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 11 September 2015 11: 03 New
    +3
    Quote: Zaurbek
    A friend said that the SU-24 (Iron) can not fly on 1 engine. Are there any experts? Share your experience.


    I don’t know about one engine (it’s also not a specialist), but a friend (who flew precisely on the SU-24) said that the machine is difficult to operate, it doesn’t forgive the pilot for mistakes.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 September 2015 11: 07 New
    +1
    All right. Exercises and should be conducted with increasing difficulty in completing training tasks and close to combat conditions.
  11. reservist
    reservist 11 September 2015 11: 09 New
    +8
    crews of Su-24M front-line bombers worked out an extreme “Afghan” approach approach

    1. ancient
      ancient 11 September 2015 19: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: reservist
      and the extreme “Afghan” approach option


      Says Comrade Lieutenant Colonel, everything is correct in tactics, but in practice? Well, I see ... "about Afghanistan" in a book maybe I read or watched a movie.

      Spirits as a rule sat in the greenhouse or in the foothills of at least 3-4 km .. well, as well as 7-10 km from the end of the runway.
      And the "fulfillment" of the "Afghan gradient" is precisely the MINIMUM DISTANCE from the end of the runway, i.e. twist the "scheme" of 2 180 g with a radius of not more than 3 km !!!

      And here he is ... about what .. "handsome" .. we go higher and from a distance of 15 km .. we are going down, a little more abruptly .... just like in a dash.

      Or in ZhugaRina they’re already studying database tactics belay ......I am sad crying
  12. Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 11 September 2015 11: 10 New
    +6
    Well done. And here, the BMP driver mechanics trained to overcome obstacle No. 5 "the model of the gauge bridge". Is it their job that the news is over?
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 11 September 2015 11: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey-72
      Is it their job that the news is over?



      Hmm ... It seems that you’re right ... But it’s one thing when the pilots “fly by the box” under favorable weather conditions fly for flying hours, and it’s quite another thing - like this or “sit down” almost like a bomb or "crouch" at night also without providing comfortable conditions ...
      So without skills, you can kill cars and crews in peace conditions ...
      In general, it’s great and good that flyers master such elements ... And for the time being THIS is just good news ...
      And when we ALL pilots will be trained in such elements - that will be happiness, then there will be no reason to write about it ...
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 11 September 2015 12: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: veksha50
        veksha50 (1) SU Today, 11:28 ↑

        Quote: Sergey-72
        It's their job that the news is over


        Hmm ... It seems that you’re right ... But it’s one thing when pilots “fly by the box” under favorable weather conditions fly for a flight of hours, and it’s a completely different thing - like this or “sit down” almost like a bomb,

        It is necessary to sit down from the first “approach”, having almost fallen down from a height and it is dangerous to leave the second circle.
      2. Voha_krim
        Voha_krim 11 September 2015 12: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: veksha50
        Hmm ... It seems that you are right ... But it’s one thing when pilots fly “in a box” under favorable weather conditions for flying hours, and it’s quite another thing - like this ...

        It’s like the drivers: there are newcomers who know how to ride and know the rules (what else is needed?), And there are professionals who know the technique of extreme driving (they will be more alive!). And these exercises seem to be a set off !!!
      3. ancient
        ancient 11 September 2015 19: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: veksha50
        But it’s one thing when pilots “fly by the box” under favorable weather conditions fly for flying hours,


        Let me note that in the “small” aviation they don’t fly in a big box (this is only for BTA and strategists with long-range gears), and we only have 2 turns of 180 g soldier
        No one likes favorable conditions .. only SMU and MINIMUM!
        In the area of ​​the airfield, the clock does not fly over.
        When flying in the area of ​​the aerodrome, various exercises are practiced (closed cockpit, landing on one interfaced engine, not fully released by mechanization, etc.)

        Psadka at the alternate aerodrome (when leaving the strike, during relocation or when leaving for the alternate aerodrome) is all NORMAL WORDS! soldier

        So there is nothing NEW in this!

        Everything else ..... about the descent and landing "as a bomb" wassat that's all .... "for people" .. the above wrote how it is "performed" in fact soldier
        1. Aleksandr1959
          Aleksandr1959 11 September 2015 20: 05 New
          +1
          Let me note that in the "small" aviation they don’t fly in a big box (this is only for BTA and strategists with long-range gears), and we only have 2 turns on 180 g

          Deinekin, when he flew a B-90B in the United States in the 1s, noted that the Americans made a landing approach without a “box”.
  13. ermak.sidorov
    ermak.sidorov 11 September 2015 11: 18 New
    +1
    In addition, at night, the pilots worked landing on a low glide path to an unlit airfield without the use of aircraft headlights.
    - it's simple iron guys !!!
  14. roskot
    roskot 11 September 2015 11: 19 New
    0
    Good. You will be surprised at an unlit airport with the headlights off.
    1. ancient
      ancient 11 September 2015 19: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: roskot
      Good. You will be surprised at an unlit airport with the headlights off.


      If there are no blind flight systems (and we don’t have ... except for night vision goggles), then ... this is respected only with them.
      And with us, or be kind to the spotlight on the runway or with the landing lights turned on (the STO of the airfield is naturally included).
      In another night .. you will not sit soldier
  15. veksha50
    veksha50 11 September 2015 11: 23 New
    +1
    "In addition, at night the pilots made a low glide path landing on an unlit airfield without the use of aircraft headlights" ...

    I like the fact that the level of complexity of both exercises in general and in terms of elements rises all the time, and the tasks necessary NOT to tick the plan are completed, the teaching is “completed”, but to learn practical things necessary for survival and victory ...

    PS But the commander of the unit probably felt uncomfortable when they set such a task - to land planes at night, without lighting ...
    1. ancient
      ancient 11 September 2015 20: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: veksha50
      when they set such a task - to land planes at night, without illumination ...


      What you quote .. is complete nonsense!
      Do not believe it ... you can try ...: the conditions are NIGHT .. the unfamiliar road (to be somewhere there wassat ) is not naturally lit (who will put the lighting in the field) and you .. without headlights ... well, where are you .. "stop by".
      Or even easier .. blindfold, sit on the bike and they say to you .. well, go and push forward lol

      If it’s not possible yourself (for some reason) try to contact your friend who has a car and ask .. and let's have an “excuse” on your car, go out at night somewhere in a field where you can’t see a fig and go ahead ..without light wassat

      I want to guess from one time .. where is your friend ..you .. will send? wassat
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 11 September 2015 21: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: ancient
        I want to guess from one time .. where is your friend ..you .. will send?


        Hmm ... I quoted - seemingly - a phrase from a review article ...

        I will not hide, she surprised me myself ... And mind you, in my comment postscript-PS that the commander of the unit with this formulation of the problem could have trouble with the psyche ...
        1. ancient
          ancient 11 September 2015 21: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: veksha50
          Hmm ... I quoted - seemingly - a phrase from a review article ...


          So I wrote .... "What you quote ..." (and hereinafter), so to you .. no complaints, +! drinks

          Quote: veksha50
          that the commander of the unit with such a formulation of the problem could have trouble with the psyche ...


          This cannot be the same, because no one could pose such a task.

          Take an interest in Alexander 1959, he just .. participated in this topic, when Bachurin and (who I didn’t remember on the right) worked out this approach, while working out the landing method on Buran (Tu-22M3 on a wing of 65 grams was very suitable for characteristics), so here they went almost the same to the DPRM and from there .. they "dived" ... so the plane with its PCC got to the concrete and the "mirrors" on the racks completely closed (I can only guess about the overload, I didn’t watch K3-63) soldier
          So there, sorry the strip was 4 km long, with a width of 70 meters wink There is where to "roll" if ... "fly" wink
          1. Aleksandr1959
            Aleksandr1959 11 September 2015 23: 31 New
            +2
            Take an interest in Alexander 1959, he just .. participated in this topic, when Bachurin and (who I didn’t remember on the right) worked out this approach, while working out the landing method on Buran (Tu-22M3 on a wing of 65 grams was very suitable for characteristics), so here they went almost the same to the DPRM and from there .. they "dived" ... so the plane with its PCC got to the concrete and the "mirrors" on the racks completely closed (I can only guess about the overload, I didn’t watch K3-63)

            The theme is “Plane” (“Research on the possibility of using the Tu-22M3 aircraft to train cosmonauts in the final atmospheric section of the flight, edition IIF35.” The first flight on the left cup was carried out by Pokovnik Ivan Ivanovich. And on the left on the first flight, in my opinion, was Mosolov. Of those whom I remember, ours flew from 8 GNIKIs, from LII from the Wolf team. I remember Schaeffer and Schukin put him in the cockpit. From the CPC Volkov Sr. (now his son flew to the ISS for the third time). Minimum refueling, climb 12 thousand meters, the maximum sweep of the wing, the mode of operation of the Small Gas engine. I don’t remember landing speed during these experiments. But it’s very decent. Interestingly, thanks to the highest qualification of the flight crew, not a single pneumatics of the main chassis was replaced for the topic. at such landing speeds, a one-time use of brake parachutes was required.The pilots were surrounded by sensors and two video cameras took readings of the instruments and the pilot’s eyes (distribution of attention). I'm landing ... a scary sight. It feels like a plane crashes from the ground. Before the edge of the runway, Bachurin earned a bit of engines, and then he went over the edge of the runway at a height of 1,5-2 meters. We were just standing nearby ... something suddenly became scary. When Bachurin came down the ladder his eyebrow twitched. And there were more than one such landing.
            After the first landing. Colonel General Agurin, who was then our Head of the 8th STCI named after Chkalov, who saw her, immediately banned the continuation. and only the intervention of Leonov, who was also present at the first landings, made it possible to continue this topic and successfully complete it.
  16. castle
    castle 11 September 2015 11: 38 New
    -5
    All planes, including civilians from around the world that land in Kabul or take off from the KAIA and transport material or people, use the "tactical" method of landing and take-off, in Russia this is called the "Afghan landing". Able, however, infection. And at night.
    And where were they taught, and why didn’t they write laudatory articles in newspapers and on TV? Well, they just don’t know how to PR, capitalists rrrenovy.
  17. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 11 September 2015 11: 42 New
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    But was the Soviet Su-24 based in Afghanistan?
    1. ancient
      ancient 11 September 2015 20: 45 New
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      Quote: Black Colonel
      But was the Soviet Su-24 based in Afghanistan?


      Not only we (Karshi and Kokaity in 1984) and already alone Kokaites since 1988 soldier
  18. BOB044
    BOB044 11 September 2015 11: 47 New
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    Well done boys. The teachings are becoming more and more complicated. It means that not everything is so simple in the world. Our safety depends on your skill.
  19. bober1982
    bober1982 11 September 2015 11: 54 New
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    they flew from the territory of the Union to Afghanistan (Su-24), and they never called him an "iron", except that the IBA officers (Su-7, Su-17) were sometimes teased, who were painfully worried about the transition to Su-24, but then calmed down I liked the plane.
  20. Yarik
    Yarik 11 September 2015 12: 00 New
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    Engineer RU Today, 11:02 ↑ New

    "hard in learning - easy in battle" Alexander Suvorov

    "hard to learn, easy to HIKE" yes used to say.
  21. bober1982
    bober1982 11 September 2015 12: 13 New
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    and the Su-24 never had a high accident rate (which is always frightening), the aircraft was very reliable. A very high accident rate was when they began to develop it in the shelves, but then the aircraft was brought, we can say with confidence, to perfection. About its complexity, so since 1985. he immediately began to retrain the lieutenants-graduates of the glorious Yeisk VVVAUL. "The old man" will still serve, and bring rustle.
  22. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 11 September 2015 12: 18 New
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    With the “Afghan” version of take-off and landing (climb and descent above the point) in Akhtubinsk during the Chechen war, the Tu-154, flying twice a week to Chkalovskaya and back flew. True, the crew was military.
  23. marshes
    marshes 11 September 2015 12: 21 New
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    They drove the Su-25 from Kant there, then the Su-24s are learning.
    And soon the military joint exercises of the Russian Federation KZ in that region in the south is not calm.
  24. mosquit
    mosquit 11 September 2015 12: 36 New
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    Exercise - "Tin" ...
    Beautiful plane ...
  25. Bort radist
    Bort radist 11 September 2015 12: 38 New
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    Quote: ermak.sidorov
    ermak.sidorov RU Today, 11:18

    In addition, at night, pilots worked landing on a low glide to an unlit aerodrome without the use of aircraft headlights.
    - it's just iron men !!!

    The headlights on landing do not shine much, we are talking about highlighting the strip. In combat conditions, the aircraft is brought to a runway and before landing they turn on the Luch system, and the light is cut down.
    PS We had a case, they cut a beam, and on the strip elk, from the executive prompted the men went to the second round.
    1. ancient
      ancient 11 September 2015 20: 48 New
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      Quote: Bort Radist
      The headlights on landing do not shine very much,


      Well yes .. but what about ... landing without spotlights? wink I do not know about you, but we have lights in the "Landing" mode .. hoo wink
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 12 September 2015 05: 00 New
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        Quote: ancient
        I don’t know about you, but we have lights in "Landing" mode

        It was thought that probably now the headlights are more powerful, in my time they helped at taxiing, and now cars shine more strongly.
  26. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 11 September 2015 12: 53 New
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    I wish all crews to whom the type of manned aircraft allows them to work out this skill to perfection, but never feel the need to use it.
  27. Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 11 September 2015 12: 53 New
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    For a couple of weeks, these "Irons" take off, land from the Sokol air base (a suburb of Perm). Previously, we did not observe them and the MiG-31 was enough for our eyes! Periodically, the question of moving the base away from the city appears in the press, but it all ends with the gurgling and promises of the governor to raise this issue "at the very top" ....
  28. iouris
    iouris 11 September 2015 15: 42 New
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    Take-off and landing, of course, are important elements of flight, however, as a rule, insufficient time is allotted to the formation and maintenance of skills to use the entire arsenal of weapons in real conditions. We need a good simulator and experience, because what conditions will be difficult to say.
  29. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 September 2015 15: 58 New
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    Interestingly, there were cases of the use of the gun GS-6-23 for real purposes? I read that when firing equipment could be turned off. In Su 24 M, it seems to have been fixed. The gun, of course, is powerful!
  30. vlad7777kul
    vlad7777kul 11 September 2015 16: 17 New
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    This approach has all been forgotten.
  31. Vasily V
    Vasily V 11 September 2015 17: 40 New
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    Such approaches were never completed on the Su-24, because this aircraft does not work along the front edge of the enemy, the airfield is quite far from the front line (according to the operational use of the front-line bomber). For such approaches, there is a Su-25, this is its bread. And if some morons want to check the strength of the Su-24 chassis for strength, there are tons of other ways to do this.
    1. ancient
      ancient 11 September 2015 20: 59 New
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      Quote: Vasily V
      Such calls have never been made on the Su-24


      Absolutely, set, +! soldier What is written in the article .. complete nonsense and not knowledge of the materiel! soldier
      Vladimir Nikolaevich Kondaurov carried out flights on the topic of "landing" at high speed ahead of the front desk ..... made 3 flights .... that’s all ended, because. according to eyewitnesses .. this topic was ... "a direct path to the grave."
      The aircraft then leveled off and .. "decommissioned," which is natural!
      so MINUSES ... before minus ... how about what to think about ... not to mention ... what to know.

      735-th wink They were completing them right in Khanabad ... after all, this is the former APIB wink Yes, and the planes gave them all the T-6s old, who have already retrained for M-ki.
      But the men were flying .. soldier
  32. totsamy
    totsamy 15 September 2015 11: 06 New
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    Ancient, why are you lying about sweep and speed? Is it a lack of memory or just ignorance of the materiel, it kicked-type people? I talked with a classmate flying that glide path that day :-) Answer me one question, but can I fly with the mechanization released more than 450? Well, and so, on trifles, the profile is there: DPRM pass 750m, BPRM 200m. To the far one you have to practically dive from distance 15 :-) A creative approach in terms of speed.
    Quote: ancient
    So 450 km / h (it’s impossible to do less, because it’s a minimum of 20 g on the boom and a maximum speed for the production of wing mechanization) for 1 minute we walk along the 7,5 km glide path and decrease by 1200 meters in height, another 7,5 more in a minute, 1200 km of distance traveled along the glide path and another 15 meters in height, i.e. 800 km have already passed and we have another XNUMX meters above the end of the runway. Hello to all new assistant commanders.
  33. totsamy
    totsamy 15 September 2015 11: 28 New
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    But don’t tell me how it passes BPRM within 350-370, and DPRM 400-420, if the minimum speed according to your statement is 450 :-)
  34. oberon 1
    oberon 1 15 September 2015 13: 53 New
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    Americans trembled when such a bird flew over their little box in the Black Sea. Then they wrote about the dismissal report laughing