Su-24M worked “Afghan landing” at the airport near Orenburg

Assistant commander of the Central Military District, Colonel Yaroslav Roshchupkin reported that the crews of the Su-24M front-line bombers had worked out the extreme "Afghan" approach approach during the flight to operational airfields.

“The most difficult types of landings pilots worked during the flight to the Orenburg region. They allow aircraft to be protected from rocket launches of portable anti-aircraft missile systems and were used by Soviet pilots during the fighting in Afghanistan, ”he said. "Reedus".

The colonel noted that the pilots were landing on a steep glide, starting a sharp drop from a height of 3 kilometers, being only 15 kilometers from the airfield. With this maneuver, the vertical speed reaches 20 m / s, and this is more in 4-5 than with standard landing.

In addition, at night, pilots worked landing on a low glide to an unlit aerodrome without the use of aircraft headlights.

The teachings of the Su-24M crews are held as part of a surprise test of the combat readiness of the troops and forces of the Central Military District, announced by Russian President Vladimir Putin on September 7. It employs about 95 thousands of military personnel, more than 7 thousand units of military equipment and weapons, and about 170 aircraft.

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[biolant]

And the teachings are getting harder and harder!

[Engineer]

"hard in training - easy in battle" Suvorov Alexander Vasilievich

[g1v2]

Something seems to me more and more that the TsVO troops are preparing for Syria. Exercises on the transfer of troops and cargo to unfamiliar airfields, landing in difficult conditions, etc. I think that after the GDP trip to New York everything will spin.

[twincam]

agree with you.
but I think for a long time everything has been thought out and decided, so that a trip to the GDP in Tan will not change anything globally.
as a bonus, Putin will once again dawn an "exceptional" nation

[Bort radist]

Quote: twincam

Something seems to me more and more that the TsVO troops are preparing for Syria.

Quote: twincam

agree with you.
but I think for a long time everything has been thought out and decided,

Quote: g1v2

that after the GDP trip to New York

We can assume a statement for the press - "Yes, they are present, but we help within the framework of contracts and agreements, ..."

[Sashka]

In his Munich speech, the GDP made a warning once, at the Russia-NATO summit as early as April 4, 2008, it made 2, moreover, it did not predict Wangi’s misfortune:

Russian President Vladimir Putin at a closed meeting of the Russia-NATO Council in Bucharest on April 4 made it clear that if it joins the alliance, Ukraine could cease to exist as a single state, Kommersant claims. And Abkhazia and South Ossetia will be recognized by Russia in order to create a "buffer zone" between Georgia (as a member of the alliance) and Russia.

According to the publication, Putin at the meeting confirmed that Moscow sees NATO’s approaching the borders of the Russian Federation as a real threat to the interests of the Russian Federation and promised adequate measures, in particular, hinted that if NATO provides a membership action plan (MAP) to Georgia’s NATO, Russia will recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia, relying on the Kosovo precedent, will thereby create a buffer zone between NATO forces and its borders.

“However, the Russian president spoke about Georgia quite calmly and as if in passing,” a source in the delegation of one of the NATO countries told the newspaper. “When it came to Ukraine, Putin flared up. Turning to Bush, he said:“ You understand, George that Ukraine is not even a state! What is Ukraine? Part of its territory is Eastern Europe, and part, and a significant one, was donated by us! "And then he very transparently hinted that if Ukraine is nevertheless admitted to NATO, this state will simply cease to exist. That is, in fact, he threatened that Russia could start rejection of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine ".
publication time: April 7, 2008 14:46 p.m.
http://www.newsru.com/russia/07apr2008/annex.html

Well, in Brussels there will be 3. And then, I think, it will spin, and how !!!
Everyone understands that there’s nowhere to retreat, and there’s nothing to lose. If the United States bends, it loses its hegemony, if Russia bends, we will be slaves of the West and their values, we will feed the United States, and all sorts of ISIS and others will shine on its territory. So everything is up to victory. Good day.

[skifd]

Quote: g1v2

Something seems to me more and more that the troops are preparing to Syria. Exercises on the transfer of troops and cargo to unfamiliar airfields, landing in difficult conditions, etc. I think that after the GDP trip to New York everything will spin.

Moscow managed to hide the laws and negotiations necessary for the expedition to Syria with the regional leaders of Africa, the Middle East, the Persian Gulf countries, as well as a whole expeditionary force that had time to prepare, load and go out of the ground with the latest weapons right in front of ISIS positions in Syria.

Russian armored personnel carriers BTR-82 seen in the battle formations of the Syrian army, which is fighting in the area of ​​the city of Latakia. A video appeared on the network in which cars from Arzamas support the actions of government troops. (The news was spread earlier, but the main throw was on 24 of August.)

Russia has been strengthening its position in Syria for several months, transferring specialists and equipment to the country, but leaks about this went only before the Berlin talks, Merkel, Oland and Poroshenko.

The United States, it became clear, they slept through Russia and the "sun" is already burning their units in Syria with a vacuum tan.

An interesting and great article. I recommend to read .

http://cont.ws/post/119955

[Sashka]

Thanks, I read it the other day. Logically ...

[33 Watcher]

They just cook. It’s better to keep the army ready, but we’ll see it in Syria or not. Maybe even where it comes in handy, now there are a lot of divorced ...

[Fight cat]

similarly, taking into account the fact that the digital desert, in large numbers, and sets of equipment for desert coloring came to the warehouses.

[ancient]

Quote: g1v2

landing in difficult conditions

I beg your pardon, but this quote from the "article" - "In addition, at night, the pilots practiced a low glide path landing on an unlit airfield without the use of aircraft headlights."

IS A TOTAL Nonsense or a statement AT ALL, NOT A COMPETENT MAN !!!!

The same must be invented - NIGHT ..... the airfield is not illuminated ....... landing lights are not on .... and more .. "new term" ... "low glide path" ... IS THIS HOW? ????

If further such assistants of the commanders will "speak out", then Parashenko and Klichkr with their "pearls" will quietly rest on the sidelines

[Zaurbek]

A friend said that the SU-24 (Iron) can not fly on 1 engine. Are there any experts? Share your experience.

[Engineer]

Only ignorant bloggers disrespect it as an iron. I haven’t heard this from the pilots themselves. In general, pilots never insult their planes. They even communicate with them before departures. This is especially true for your aircraft. And about the engine: on one it can, but it depends on what speed, what bomb load, there are many factors. Over Donetsk, the Ukrainian Su-24 was damaged and reached the airfield after being hit by a MANPADS engine.

[Aleksandr1959]

About the "exploits" ukroVVS they themselves wrote a lot. And about the Su-24, which with a damaged engine completed the task and pulled 300 km on one engine. All this bullshit. Look at the photos of the aircraft damaged by MANPADS during the Afghan war, the Chechen war, the events of 08.08.08. You will see the Su-25 there ... and that's it.
But in general, ancient appear on the forum today, to clarify the situation and about landing on the Afghan version and about flying on one engine, fortunately, he flew quite a lot on the Su-24.

[ancient]

Quote: Alexander1959

In general, the ancient one will appear on the forum today, will clarify the situation about the landing on the Afghan version

Hello Alexander! Yes, I'm busy with "grandfather's" things ... on the swing, then on the merry-go-round, then on the sea (fortunately, it's not possible now, because everything is stuffed with rotten fish)

Well, now about .. "Afghan landing" As always .... "airspeedy blurted out" without thinking .. well, or again talking to "familiar pilots. depressurization of the cabin .. especially "liked" about .. "bloating" and .. about "sleep in the cabin".
And then they told him the pros ... yes ... the yellow press is resting

Okay ... let's move on to landing on the Su-24M along the .. "Afghan gradient", which does not provide for a descent from a height of 3 km on the landing course, at a speed of 20 m / s, which is NOT POSSIBLE THEREOUTLY or PERSONALLY!
Because in addition to the vertical rate of decline, there is also translational speed (well, they don’t know the "airspeople" from the media that an airplane is not a helicopter and vertically descend .. well, it just cannot, unless in the only case, when it corks and a stake enters the ground .. then yes .. only with vertical speed ).
So 450 km / h (you can’t do less, because this is a minimum on an arrow of 20 g and a maximum speed for the production of wing mechanization )
in 1 minute we walk along the glide path 7,5 km and decrease by 1200 meters in height, in another minute another 7,5 km of the distance traveled along the glide path and another 1200 meters in height, i.e. 15 km have already passed and we have another 800 meters above the runway end
Hello to all new helpers commanders

[ancient]

Quote: ancient

Hello to all new assistant commanders

Now, in practice, the "Afghan gradient" is the execution of a maneuver when approaching in such a way that it would descend along a steep downward spiral (roughly speaking, almost a complete turn around the tail with a descent) and jump out onto the DPRM or between the DPRM and the BPRM already at an altitude of 250 meters. 300, with a normal vertical speed of 3-5 m / s and at a speed of 380-400 (depending on the landing weight) and land (all turns are performed with the maximum possible rolls and within the angle of attack), i.e. a short landing is in progress.
And if .. "smeared" as in the article "described", then
By the way, take-offs were carried out in exactly the same way ... almost immediately you perform a combat turn (or something similar), so as to make the turn radius or bend radius as small as possible).

Any aircraft can fly on one engine, only at echelons much lower than planned on two.
For Tu-22-1500 meters, for Tu-22M2 and 3 - 1500-1800 meters, for Su-24 1500-2100 (the lower the better, because less fuel consumption

Well ... if so ... briefly

[Aleksandr1959]

Here the other day I read ... one "air haste" from Gvarzheyskiy, how he drove over the "ears" of forum users ... talking about "zhahisti" in case of sudden depressurization of the cabin ... especially "liked" about .. "bloating" and ... about "sleep in the cockpit ".

In Tu-22M, in my opinion, was the cabin depressurized when entering the zone of possible fire contact in order to avoid explosive decompression?
What about sleep? So, what about the oxygen mask? If the oxygen equipment fails, it may not be a dream but a loss of consciousness. Knyazev E. had a failure of oxygen equipment when he strained the press to squeeze blood to his head and decreased with the maximum possible dive angle. Marina Popovich described this incident and his younger son Konstantin told me.
As for bloating, they told me a case about Poltava. The navigator-operator was not supposed to fly that day, so he ate tightly. I ate Okroshka, I drank some kvask. And then a replacement. In general, he threw his pants after the flight.
On the Su-25T (there were no pressurized cabins on the first machines) they flew to altitudes of more than 7000 m to determine aerodynamic characteristics. They used the technique developed by the Scientific Research Institute of AKM. Half an hour before departure, breathe pure oxygen. Flying is also breathing pure oxygen. No more than three flights a week.

[Aleksandr1959]

And I remembered about the depressurization of the cabin. You must remember this incident. There was an order from either the Commander-in-Chief or the Minister of Defense for this occasion. When depressurization occurred on the An-12 due to crew gouging. The crew and one passenger lost consciousness. The passenger later passed away. The aircraft was uncontrolled in the air for several hours. The right one came in by some miracle, sent a plane down and brought the commander to life.

[ancient]

Quote: Alexander1959

In Tu-22M, in my opinion, was the cabin depressurized when entering the zone of possible fire contact in order to avoid explosive decompression?

Not only on Tu, but on all machines with a sealed cabin there is such a "unit" (system) called ARD (automatic pressure control), so when performing flights on real OBDs, this system is transferred to "Combat mode" (that is, it works half the normal).

I had a case when a Tu-16 target was overtaken from Komsomolsk .. on echelon 11 600 "the blister" was blown away from the second piece of urman and nothing is all alive and well .. no decompression, let alone bloating .. yes .. a lot of noise and dust, but sopkoino pulled up the masks, switched to an emergency oxygen supply and ... with a vertical speed of 150 m / s ... dropped to 1500 meters.
Even nothing sucked out of the navigator's nose .. all the rulers, calculators and maps remained in place .. I really have glass on the commander's watch .. "sucked out".
You had the same case in CPPL .. somehow brought

[Aleksandr1959]

I sent you such a sample of "creativity" in a personal message Taken from one thematic group on aviation in Vkontakte.

[aleks 62 next]

..... A friend said that the SU-24 (Iron) can not fly on 1 engine. Are there any experts? Share your experience ....

.... Maybe ... Poor, but maybe ... For this, multi-engine aircraft are made .... In this case, -2 engines ... Safety standards require this ....

[Ctrannik]

Article about Su24M. Su-24 and Su24M are completely different machines, if not right, the specialists will correct me.

[ancient]

Quote: Ctrannik

Su-24 and Su24M are completely different machines, if not right, the specialists will correct me.

It’s wrong that there are completely different cars .. there are differences, pus .. not critical .. I liked the simple ones more on piloting ... both in terms of stability and controllability

[Ctrannik]

Article about Su24M. Su-24 and Su24M are completely different machines, if not right, the specialists will correct me.

[Aleksandr1959]

Your clarification is correct. Just out of habit, you write Su-24, Su-25 ... implying all modifications of the aircraft. Although it would probably be more competent to write a plane such as Su-24. Criticism accepted.

[ancient]

Quote: Zaurbek

A friend said that the SU-24 (Iron) can not fly on 1 engine.

In fact, it was never called an iron.
Simple Su-24s (i.e., T-6s) were called suitcases, for the not yet narrowed tail section.
Well, M-ki ... "swallows" or "laibas", MR-ki-"sharks", MP-ki-"pelicans"

Do not fly, but fly! Yes, maybe, but you need to take into account your flight weight at the moment and take the corresponding lower echelon (after all, you will not turn on full afterburner and "saw" at the same echelon, the kerosene will end very quickly and ... then you will go home on foot)

[zao74]

Get ready guys - it is necessary ...

[iliitchitch]

Well done, well, skills are simply vital, we do not regret kerosene at last.

[Engineer]

More than once I saw this over Baltimore, I thought it was regularly included in the pilots flight program.

[morpogr]

It’s hard to learn, easy in battle! Suvorov knew what he was saying.

[your1970]

Suvorov said- "It's hard to learn, easy to camping trip"!!!!
Different things, if that ....

[aviator1913]

Good teachings, the main thing is that everything goes smoothly, without failures and errors, since such perutes of mistakes do not forgive. God forbid another incident ...

[Nord2015]

I respect our pilots for their skill, otherwise yesterday they compared the F-35 with our aircraft and the main advantage of the mattress mats turned out to be in their pilots - aces. Bombing countries that do not have a normal air defense system with impunity is still an ace. And they would have tried like ours "Afghan landing".

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Zaurbek

A friend said that the SU-24 (Iron) can not fly on 1 engine. Are there any experts? Share your experience.

I don’t know about one engine (it’s also not a specialist), but a friend (who flew precisely on the SU-24) said that the machine is difficult to operate, it doesn’t forgive the pilot for mistakes.

[rotmistr60]

All right. Exercises and should be conducted with increasing difficulty in completing training tasks and close to combat conditions.

[reservist]

crews of Su-24M front-line bombers worked out an extreme “Afghan” approach approach

[ancient]

Quote: reservist

and the extreme “Afghan” approach option

Comrade Lieutenant Colonel says everything is correct in tactics, but in practice? Well, of course ... "about Afghan" in a book maybe read or watched a movie.

Spirits as a rule sat in the greenhouse or in the foothills of at least 3-4 km .. well, as well as 7-10 km from the end of the runway.
And the "execution" of the "Afghan gradient" is just the MINIMUM DISTANCE from the runway end, ie. twist the "scheme" 2 by 180 degrees with a radius of no more than 3 km !!!

And here he is .. what a .. "handsome" .. we go higher and from a distance of 15 km .. descend, a little bit more abruptly .... just like in a shooting range.

Or in ZhugaRina they’re already studying database tactics ......I am sad

[Sergey-72]

Well done. And our mechanics-drivers of the BMP trained to overcome obstacle No. 5 "model of a track bridge". Is it their job that the news is over?

[veksha50]

Quote: Sergey-72

Is it their job that the news is over?

Hmm ... It seems that you are right ... But it's one thing when pilots fly "in a box" under favorable weather conditions to fly hours, and it is quite another thing - like this, or "sit down" almost like a bomb, or "sit down" at night also without providing comfortable conditions ...
So without skills, you can kill cars and crews in peace conditions ...
In general, it’s great and good that flyers master such elements ... And for the time being THIS is just good news ...
And when we ALL pilots will be trained in such elements - that will be happiness, then there will be no reason to write about it ...

[Bort radist]

Quote: veksha50

veksha50 (1) SU Today, 11:28 ↑

Quote: Sergey-72
It's their job that the news is over

Hmm ... It seems that you are right ... But it's one thing when pilots fly "in a box" under favorable weather conditions to fly hours, and it is quite another thing - like this, or "sit down" almost like a bomb,

It is necessary to sit down from the first "approach", almost having fallen from a height and it is dangerous to go to the second circle.

[Voha_krim]

Quote: veksha50

Hmm ... You seem to be right ... But it's one thing when pilots fly "in a box" under favorable weather conditions to fly hours, and quite another thing - like this ...

It’s like the drivers: there are newcomers who know how to ride and know the rules (what else is needed?), And there are professionals who know the technique of extreme driving (they will be more alive!). And these exercises seem to be a set off !!!

[ancient]

Quote: veksha50

But it's one thing when pilots fly "in a box" under favorable weather conditions to fly hours,

Let me note that in "small" aviation they do not fly in a large box (this is only for VTA and for strategists with long-range aircraft), but we have only 2 turns of 180 degrees
No one likes favorable conditions .. only SMU and MINIMUM!
In the area of ​​the airfield, the clock does not fly over.
When flying in the area of ​​the aerodrome, various exercises are practiced (closed cockpit, landing on one interfaced engine, not fully released by mechanization, etc.)

Psadka at the alternate aerodrome (when leaving the strike, during relocation or when leaving for the alternate aerodrome) is all NORMAL WORDS!

So there is nothing NEW in this!

Everything else ..... about the descent and landing "as a bomb" that's all .... "for people" .. above wrote how it is "executed" in fact

[Aleksandr1959]

Let me note that in "small" aviation they do not fly in a large box (this is only for VTA and strategists with long-range aircraft), and we only have 2 turns of 180 degrees

Deinekin, when he flew B-90B in the United States in the 1s, noted that the Americans make a landing approach without a "box".

[ermak.sidorov]

In addition, at night, the pilots worked landing on a low glide path to an unlit airfield without the use of aircraft headlights.

- it's simple iron guys !!!

[roskot]

Good. You will be surprised at an unlit airport with the headlights off.

[ancient]

Quote: roskot

Good. You will be surprised at an unlit airport with the headlights off.

If there are no blind flight systems (and we don’t have ... except for night vision goggles), then ... this is respected only with them.
And with us, or be kind to the spotlight on the runway or with the landing lights turned on (the STO of the airfield is naturally included).
In another night .. you will not sit

[veksha50]

"In addition, at night, the pilots practiced landing on a low glide path to an unlit airfield without the use of aircraft headlights" ...

I like the fact that the level of complexity of both exercises in general and in terms of elements is increasing all the time, and the tasks necessary are being worked out NOT for ticking the box in the plan of the exercise "complete", but for teaching practical things necessary for survival and victory ...

PS But the commander of the unit probably felt uncomfortable when they set such a task - to land planes at night, without lighting ...

[ancient]

Quote: veksha50

when they set such a task - to land planes at night, without illumination ...

What you quote .. is complete nonsense!
Do not believe it ... you can try ...: the conditions are NIGHT .. the unfamiliar road (to be somewhere there ) not lit naturally (who will put the lighting in the field) and you ..without headlights ... well, where will you .. "go".
Or even easier .. blindfold, sit on the bike and they say to you .. well, go and push forward

If there is no possibility yourself (for some reason) try to contact your friend who has a car and ask .. and let's carry out an "excursion" on your car, we will go out at night somewhere in a field where you can't see a fig and let's go ..without light

I want to guess from one time .. where is your friend ..you .. will send?

[veksha50]

Quote: ancient

I want to guess from one time .. where is your friend ..you .. will send?

Hmm ... I quoted - seemingly - a phrase from a review article ...

I will not hide, she surprised me myself ... And mind you, in my comment postscript-PS that the commander of the unit with this formulation of the problem could have trouble with the psyche ...

[ancient]

Quote: veksha50

Hmm ... I quoted - seemingly - a phrase from a review article ...

So I wrote .... "What you are quoting ..." (and further in the text), so to you .. no complaints, +!

Quote: veksha50

that the commander of the unit with such a formulation of the problem could have trouble with the psyche ...

This cannot be the same, because no one could pose such a task.

Ask Alexander 1959, he just ... took part in this topic when Bachurin and (I don't remember who was on the right) practiced such an approach, when working out the landing technique on Buran (Tu-22M3 on the wing 65 gr was very suitable for characteristics), so that's where they approached almost to the DPRM and from there .. "dived" ... so the plane reached the concrete with its PCHK and the "mirrors" on the racks were completely closed (I can only guess about the overload, the K3-63 itself did not look)
So there, sorry the strip was 4 km long, with a width of 70 meters There is where to "roll" if ... "fly over"

[Aleksandr1959]

Ask Alexander 1959, he just ... took part in this topic when Bachurin and (I don't remember who was on the right) practiced such an approach, when working out the landing technique on Buran (Tu-22M3 on the wing 65 gr was very suitable for characteristics), so that's where they approached almost to the DPRM and from there .. "dived" ... so the plane reached the concrete with its PCHK and the "mirrors" on the racks were completely closed (I can only guess about the overload, the K3-63 itself did not look)

Topic "Plane" ("Investigation of the possibility of using the Tu-22M3 aircraft for training cosmonauts in the final atmospheric phase of the flight, IIF35 edition." The first flight on the left cup was performed by Ivan Ivanovich Pokovnik Bachurin. And on the left on the first flight, in my opinion, was Mosolov. Of those whom I remember, ours from 8 GNIKI flew, from LII - from the Wolf team. I remember that I put Scheffer, Shchukin in the cockpit. From the CPC Volkov Sr. (now his son flew to the ISS for the third time). Refueling is minimal, the climb is about 12 thousand m, maximum wing sweep, engine operating mode “Small gas.” Landing speed during these experiments I don’t remember. But very decent. Interestingly, thanks to the highest qualifications of the flight crew, not a single pneumatic of the main landing gear was replaced. at such landing speeds, a one-time use of braking parachutes was put in. The pilots were covered with sensors and two video cameras took the readings of the instruments and the pilot's eyes (distribution of attention). I'm landing ... a scary sight. It feels like from the ground that the plane is falling. Before the runway trim, Bachurin worked a little with engines, and then passed over the runway edge at a height of 1,5-2 meters. We were just standing nearby ... something suddenly became scary. '' When Bachurin went down the ladder, his eyebrow twitched. And there was more than one such landings.
After the first landing. Colonel General Agurin, who was then our Head of the 8th STCI named after Chkalov, who saw her, immediately banned the continuation. and only the intervention of Leonov, who was also present at the first landings, made it possible to continue this topic and successfully complete it.

[castle]

All planes, including civilians from around the world, which land in Kabul or take off from KAIA and carry material or people, use a "tactical" method of landing and takeoff, in Russia it is called "Afghan landing". They know how, however, infections. And at night.
And where were they taught, and why didn’t they write laudatory articles in newspapers and on TV? Well, they just don’t know how to PR, capitalists rrrenovy.

[Black Colonel]

But was the Soviet Su-24 based in Afghanistan?

[ancient]

Quote: Black Colonel

But was the Soviet Su-24 based in Afghanistan?

Not only we (Karshi and Kokaity in 1984) and already alone Kokaites since 1988

[BOB044]

Well done boys. The teachings are becoming more and more complicated. It means that not everything is so simple in the world. Our safety depends on your skill.

[bober1982]

they flew from the territory of the Union to Afghanistan (Su-24), and they never called it "iron", except that the IBA-shniki (Su-7, Su-17) sometimes teased, who painfully experienced the transition to the Su-24, but then calmed down , I liked the plane.

[Yarik]

Engineer RU Today, 11:02 ↑ New

"hard in training - easy in battle" Suvorov Alexander Vasilievich

"hard to learn, easy to HIKE" used to say.

[bober1982]

and the high accident rate of the Su-24 never differed (which is always scary), the plane is very reliable. Very high accident rate was when they began to master in the regiments, but then the plane was brought, we can confidently say, to perfection. About its complexity, since 1985. they immediately began to retrain the lieutenants-graduates of the glorious Yeisk VVVAUL. "The old man" will still serve, and will bring a rustle.

[Aleksandr1959]

During the Chechen war, Tu-154, which flew twice a week to Chkalovskaya and flew back, with the "Afghan" take-off and landing (climb and descent over the point) in Akhtubinsk. True, the crew was military.

[marshes]

They drove the Su-25 from Kant there, then the Su-24s are learning.
And soon the military joint exercises of the Russian Federation KZ in that region in the south is not calm.

[mosquito]

Exercise - "Tin" ...
Beautiful plane ...

[Bort radist]

Quote: ermak.sidorov

ermak.sidorov RU Today, 11:18

In addition, at night, pilots worked landing on a low glide to an unlit aerodrome without the use of aircraft headlights.
- it's just iron men !!!

The headlights on landing do not shine much, we are talking about the strip illumination. In combat conditions, they bring the plane to the runway and turn on the "Ray" system before landing - the lights are turned off.
PS We had a case, they cut a beam, and on the strip elk, from the executive prompted the men went to the second round.

[ancient]

Quote: Bort Radist

The headlights on landing do not shine very much,

Well yes .. but what about ... landing without spotlights? I don’t know about you, but our headlights are in Landing mode.

[Bort radist]

Quote: ancient

I don’t know about you, but we have headlights in Landing mode

It was thought that probably now the headlights are more powerful, in my time they helped at taxiing, and now cars shine more strongly.

[Polite Moose]

I wish all crews to whom the type of manned aircraft allows them to work out this skill to perfection, but never feel the need to use it.

[Navuxonastupil]

For a couple of weeks, these "Irons" have been taking off and landing from the Sokol airbase (a suburb of Perm). Previously, we did not see them and the MiG-31 was enough for our eyes! From time to time the question of moving the base away from the city appears in the press, but it all ends with gurgling and promises of the governor to raise this issue "at the very top" ...

[iouris]

Take-off and landing, of course, are important elements of flight, however, as a rule, insufficient time is allotted to the formation and maintenance of skills to use the entire arsenal of weapons in real conditions. We need a good simulator and experience, because what conditions will be difficult to say.

[Zaurbek]

Interestingly, there were cases of the use of the gun GS-6-23 for real purposes? I read that when firing equipment could be turned off. In Su 24 M, it seems to have been fixed. The gun, of course, is powerful!

[vlad7777kul]

This approach has all been forgotten.

[Vasily V]

Such approaches were never completed on the Su-24, because this aircraft does not work along the front edge of the enemy, the airfield is quite far from the front line (according to the operational use of the front-line bomber). For such approaches, there is a Su-25, this is its bread. And if some morons want to check the strength of the Su-24 chassis for strength, there are tons of other ways to do this.

[ancient]

Quote: Vasily V

Such calls have never been made on the Su-24

Absolutely, set, +! What is written in the article .. complete nonsense and not knowledge of the materiel!
Vladimir Nikolaevich Kondaurov conducted flights on the topic of "landing" at an increased speed ahead of the front pillar ..... made 3 flights .... that was all, because. according to eyewitnesses ... this topic was ... "a direct path to the grave."
The plane was then leveled and .. "written off", which is natural!
so MINUSES ... before minus ... how about what to think about ... not to mention ... what to know.

735-th They were completing them right in Khanabad ... after all, this is the former APIB Yes, and the planes gave them all the T-6s old, who have already retrained for M-ki.
But the men were flying ..

[totsamy]

Ancient, why are you lying about sweep and speed? Is it a lack of memory or just ignorance of the materiel, it kicked-type people? I talked with a classmate flying that glide path that day :-) Answer me one question, but can I fly with the mechanization released more than 450? Well, and so, on trifles, the profile is there: DPRM pass 750m, BPRM 200m. To the far one you have to practically dive from distance 15 :-) A creative approach in terms of speed.

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So 450 km / h (it’s impossible to do less, because it’s a minimum of 20 g on the boom and a maximum speed for the production of wing mechanization) for 1 minute we walk along the 7,5 km glide path and decrease by 1200 meters in height, another 7,5 more in a minute, 1200 km of distance traveled along the glide path and another 15 meters in height, i.e. 800 km have already passed and we have another XNUMX meters above the end of the runway. Hello to all new assistant commanders.

[totsamy]

But don’t tell me how it passes BPRM within 350-370, and DPRM 400-420, if the minimum speed according to your statement is 450 :-)

[Oberon 1]

Americans trembled when such a bird flew over their little box in the Black Sea. Then they wrote about the dismissal report