Divided people. Once again about the correct formulation of the Ukrainian question

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... In fact, after seeing several analytical programs (not the worst ones, by the way) on domestic television and having familiarized with a whole bunch of printed and Internet materials, I still cannot understand why questions about the unfortunate Ukrainian territory are still considered exclusively as an attempt to understand some kind of “Ukrainian choice”, although there is no “Ukrainian choice” there and there cannot be just, forgive, by definition.

Let's start with the simplest, i.e. from the very beginning, excuse me, please, for the tautology.

So.

Who and for what, pardon MUA for my French, “rode on the Maidan” ?!

And the answer here is ugly banal and extremely simple. And it is given, as they say, "by analogy."

It was done by the same people with the same convictions and following the same templates that went with the plaques, shouted and clapped at rallies and tried to just "go to the night", "put up tents" and "burn tires" somewhere on Sakharov and Bolotnaya in the hero-city of Moscow.

And it is not by chance that all of this domestic swamp from the land of native aspens has been visited, noted, envied, and in part even “jumped” later in Kiev.

And, by the way, it looked there - from Andrei Makarevich and Ksenia Anatolyevna Sobchak to, rest in peace to him. Boris Efimovich Nemtsov - quite a organically.

And that’s why I don’t need to talk about any independent “Ukrainian European choice” from which the current Ukrainian mess began together with the notorious “Euro-Association”. For this “choice” is absolutely analogous to the “choice” of our “creative democrats”. And there is no doubt that if some kind of shit miracle happened and this public somehow came to political power in Moscow, then it would have bombed some “Vatnikov from Uralvagonzavod” or burned “Colorado from the Kuban” is no less cruel what the Kiev “Zhibobanderovtsy” are doing now. To verify this, it is not necessary to go to Ukraine and / or Donbass. It is enough to go on some Facebook and read what these cute intelligent people write in their “branches”. If they’re for some fucking pardon, “jamon”, eighty-five percent of their compatriots are ready to drive, then you can imagine what kind of “check” they would have made, stupidly seizing upon the authorities and feeling like gauleiters ?!

I personally have quite a rich fantasy.

I can.

And then they didn’t win in Moscow at all, not because they didn’t have a “combat squad” represented by any nationally concerned “zapadentsy”: the role of this public in Ukrainian events is generally fairly exaggerated. They won even stishat about "we will never be brothers" in the great and mighty Russian literary language sprinkled. And the rating of the same “Freedom” there, in Ukraine, even after the “victory of the national revolution” is lower than that of the radical deviants of Lyashko. They did not win in Moscow for one simple and extremely primitive reason: in the Russian Federation at the time of the “swamp rebellion”, at the very least, there was a real and legitimate state power in the eyes of the people. She understood, albeit not completely, that (except for the “property and resources’ deriban ’habitual for all without exception) she must in one way or another defend the interests of that very majority of her own people, on whose behalf, according to the Constitution, she controls this territory. And everything that a loud and not very legitimate minority with “nice, intelligent people” can do in the event of seizure of power is to act as a colonial administration representing the interests of “democracy leaders”: for they simply do not have any other legitimate “authorities”.

But in Ukraine, there was no such state power, and that’s all for you.

And therefore it is extremely naive to view the current situation in Ukraine as a conflict between the “Ukrainian (it’s European) choice” and the “Russian world”: this is one and the same purely civil conflict as in Malaya that in Great Russia. And now the “separatists” in Ukraine are not in the Crimea and / or in the Donbass: real separatists are now “colonially administering” in the interests of their English-speaking sovereigns in the occupied Russian city of Kiev, and this is necessary, at least at the level of conceptuality, very clearly understood.
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  1. +2
    11 September 2015 14: 22
    The dark and light side of the Force? laughing
    1. +14
      11 September 2015 15: 08
      Rather, it is the alignment: who is the STRENGTH and who is the STRONG. In this particular case, in the territory of Ukraine (NESIL), different forces find out the relationship. Plus a bunch of hyenas and jackals that loot not the battlefield.

      And the article contains the correct thought: Ukraine is not a subject of international relations. She is the object of this relationship. And at the moment it (as an object) is "attributed" to the full by the real subjects of international relations (Russia, USA, Europe, Israel, etc.).
    2. +1
      12 September 2015 01: 50
      So much hatred was poured both on our side and on the part of Ukraine ... right up to tears .. they themselves killed their stray, except the nats
  2. +6
    11 September 2015 14: 23
    In some ways, the author distorts, here and there in the text in the definitions of land it would be worth changing "fluff" to "glass wool", but in general, everyone understands what the Maidans with liberal clowns lead to.
  3. +6
    11 September 2015 14: 27
    Everything is said correctly, this is a diagnosis, but now the prognosis and treatment plan are important. Earlier, in my youth and in my own childhood, I did not understand why the state needed a party. Now I don’t know what to do, but if there was a suitable party, it would have figured it out, unfortunately it is not visible.
  4. +11
    11 September 2015 14: 28
    Simplified but quite true, thanks to the GDP that I didn’t act as a liberal democrat in the swamp .. article plus of course, readably
  5. +1
    11 September 2015 14: 32
    Madly plus! good
  6. +11
    11 September 2015 14: 35
    And, by the way, it looked there - from Andrei Makarevich and Ksenia Anatolyevna Sobchak to, rest in peace to him. Boris Efimovich Nemtsov - quite a organically.


    The article is correct, although it is very obvious.

    PS
    For me, this is how Nemtsov looks the most organic at the moment. And others there. In organics. You look, it would become easier to breathe.
  7. +2
    11 September 2015 14: 36
    Fairly reasonable article, thanks.
  8. +18
    11 September 2015 14: 36
    Maidan, not supported by the US Embassy, ​​is illegitimate. Beware of fakes.
  9. +12
    11 September 2015 14: 39
    Who and for what, pardon MUA for my French, “rode on the Maidan” ?!
    Klitschko was jumping for a place in the government, though he had just jumped to the mayor, Yatsenyuk for the prime minister, and so on, but at least I can’t understand why these people were jumping, and according to him, it’s a pity only normal people who are forced to live in this madhouse.
  10. +6
    11 September 2015 14: 46
    === would she bomb some “quilted jackets from the Uralvagonzavod” or burned “colorado from the Kuban” no less cruelly than the Kiev “Zhidobandera” are doing now ===

    I am tormented by vague suspicions that these "Judeo-Bandera" are exactly the same Jews - internationalists who made the revolution in 17 years, staged the Bolshevik terror and reprisals, and then calmed down under the threat of an ice pick, took root in capitals and megacities and were just waiting for their historical moment, the offensive of which is increasingly being pushed back into a hazy distance against the background of the quite obvious strengthening of Putin and "quilted jackets with Colorado".
    Maybe you don’t need to hang a 5th column, maybe they themselves emigrate?
  11. +5
    11 September 2015 14: 49
    Quote: Stiletto
    In some ways, the author distorts, here and there in the text in the definitions of land it would be worth changing "fluff" to "glass wool", but in general, everyone understands what the Maidans with liberal clowns lead to.

    The author just said everything right. This demonstrates our moral superiority over belolentochnye. They are not capable of this.
  12. +7
    11 September 2015 14: 52
    Of course, if you remove the pan from your head, then it is completely unclear why Putin is to blame.
    1. +5
      11 September 2015 16: 06
      Quote: KRIG55
      Of course, if you remove the pan from your head, then it is completely unclear why Putin is to blame.

      funny banter of Americans over pots and maidan:
    2. +2
      11 September 2015 20: 14
      Quote: KRIG55
      Of course, if you remove the pan from your head, then it is completely unclear why Putin is to blame.

      The pan is needed for cooking the soup, cabbage is the main ingredient of the soup. The presence of a pot on the head, therefore, indicates that this is not the head, but a head of cabbage. Is it logical? Dialectics!
      Or just deduction? ...
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  14. -5
    11 September 2015 15: 26
    We seem to understand everything about the Maidan. But on the other hand, dissatisfaction is ripening with the standard of living today. Prices are rising, salaries are either not rising or are being cut. When trimming hint: Well, you understand. We help Ukraine, it needs money. People think, and what for us this suburbs? Let them boil in their juice. We help Crimea, but why do we need this Crimea? Let yourself get out. This is us here in the Patriots. And when you talk with people, many people think differently than in VO. It is likely that on this wave the continuation of tape (directly association with the tapeworm living in the body) performances. What do you think about this?
    1. +6
      11 September 2015 18: 04
      Quote: Region 34
      the salary either does not grow or is cut. When trimming hint: Well, you understand. We help Ukraine, it needs money.

      your employer is funny. What does he say directly - "part of your salary will go to help xoxlam ..."?
      Quote: Region 34
      We help Crimea, but why do we need this Crimea?

      HZ, but for some reason it seems to me - for some time now, for the same reason why everything else.
      Quote: Region 34
      This is us here in the Patriots.

      apparently, not all. "Stop feeding Crimea!", Right? You know, young lady, hard times are coming, so start tearing the pillowcases into white ribbons right now, if it is tight.
      1. -4
        11 September 2015 22: 19
        Das Boot! 18 04. Where do you live? Directly hinted. You do not communicate with people or what? Or you do not come across such.
        1. +1
          12 September 2015 11: 42
          At 10%, the minimum salary was cut off from prosecutors, the Investigative Committee, and the Ministry of Emergencies. Also, like, in administrations. So what to do?
          They did not touch the dull budget employees. But there is nowhere to go. With the declared prosperous average s / n, the majority of the load is such that you can’t breathe, therefore it only survives.
          The girlfriend swore the first 3 months: she has a husband in the Ministry of Emergencies, so there seems to have almost officially transferred part of the salary to the indicated accounts. Then she waved her hand: what to do? We rested in the Crimea in the summer
          Most people are still patriots of their country. WWII population survived. Can’t we survive any sanctions?
          An example of Ukraine is a good science. We draw conclusions. We laugh at sworn friends at the Baltic states. And the rest .... All This makes us stronger and, most importantly, smarter.
          We no longer admire the West. We are not squealing about American "democracy". "Partners" can no longer deceive us with assurances of friendship.
          We are rediscovering the facets of the concepts of Honor, Conscience and Homeland.
          We are beginning to despise the very concept of Tolerance in the form in which it exists.
          "Sex-with-nar.kotiki-alcohol" are not the slogans of today's enlightened youth.
          You will remember your dreams in the 80s, life in the 90s.
          To hell with them, with sanctions. The people are not fooled by fairy tales about "Western values". We will stand.
          10% of liberals will not do the weather. Po.reschat and leave.
          The main thing that would not be forgotten. Neither in 50, nor in 100 years.
          To be remembered. And Donbass, and Odessa.
          And we will not forget the revolution in Russia, both its organizers and sponsors.
          Then everything will be fine with us.
  15. +4
    11 September 2015 15: 43
    Quote: 34 region
    What do you think about this?

    I think (judging by myself) that no Crimea and Ukraine would have affected the discontent of the people if there had been no scandals within our sovereign. What is more annoying is not the price increase, but the fact that asking people to tolerate our power to tighten their belt is not in a hurry. The scandal with Peskov, Vasilyeva, etc. is a spit in the face of the Russians, regardless of their political orientation. IMHO.
    1. +3
      11 September 2015 18: 08
      Quote: Xocelolprox
      that no Crimea

      famously ... I do not belong to shi3 patriots, but even yours somewhat distorted me
      Quote: Xocelolprox
      Crimea
  16. 0
    11 September 2015 16: 45
    unusual opinion
  17. +2
    11 September 2015 17: 02
    complete nonsense! just out of the kindness of their soul - either they did not pay attention or - they considered this rotten gene pool, which has matured like a pimple for more than 20 years, as "brothers" and then just burst through!
    How can you talk about anything serious about the "country of Ukrainians" when they are physically incapable (and most likely not striving) to any statehood ?! "farm-garden-nearest fair" - that's the whole horizon !!! this does not fit in my head - for all 23-24 years of nezalezhnost - there was not enough time (mind) to build the coat of arms of the country ... but most of all, the feeling of disgust is caused by the fact that - no matter how puffed up, but nothing good on your move-hair dryer - they cannot create! as soon as it comes to something deeper than a garden-garden, the discussion is immediately conducted in Russian! why shouldn't it be a compass if you just can't do without the Russian language? Beggars in washed embroidered shirts ... but a decent person will not be with them on the same hectare ***!
    1. +2
      11 September 2015 18: 17
      Quote: isker
      this rotten gene pool, which has matured like a pimple, is more than 20 years old and only then it has broken through!

      Well, I believe that you are a representative of a healthy seed gene pool, if you already switched to the language of vegetable depots. The crown of eugenics, so to speak. Not?
      Quote: isker
      not physically capable of any statehood ?!
      Nda ... The Berlin Bundesarchiv contains letters from Hitler Youth pupils to the Fuehrer of the German nation ... Your comment is quite consistent in their style.
  18. +2
    11 September 2015 18: 47
    Quote: Das Boot

    Well, I believe that you are a representative of a healthy seed gene pool, if you already switched to the language of vegetable depots. The crown of eugenics, so to speak. Not?

    Eugenics is not eugenics, but my mentality is definitely not compatible with "Ukrainians"!
    "Yak live, live and live with skilki the Burkans to the European Union?" - if this local mentality is closer to you, this is your choice ... but do not force it on everyone! and your Hitler Youth is past the box office: the Ukrainians themselves admit their 300-year stateless history, so there is a hat for Senka!
    1. +1
      11 September 2015 18: 57
      Quote: isker
      a local mentality is your choice ... but don’t force it on everyone!

      yes hohls, it seems, do not impose on anyone but themselves. This is the meaning of all this affair with the search for a national idea and identity.
      Quote: isker
      my mentality is definitely not compatible with the "Ukrainians"!

      oh? And how much does the mentality of their layman differ from, say, yours (only without culinary and historiographic affiliations)?
    2. 0
      11 September 2015 19: 19
      Quote: isker
      местиsensory mentality

      and this is generally to Tevye the Milkman, I think.
  19. +3
    11 September 2015 20: 06
    Well, they rested against Khokhlov. A little article is about us. Imagine just such a scenario. Putin wouldn’t squeeze and disperse seven-boyars, oligarchs (like theirs) would become gray cardinals and what would happen to Russia (at that time half-fragmented (they took sovereignty as much as possible) and not as economically developed as it is now. I think it was It’s worse than in Ukraine. ”The Russian revolt was said well and clearly.
    1. 0
      11 September 2015 22: 12
      Quote: Bvg132
      And the little article is about you and me ...


      There will be no words ...
  20. +1
    11 September 2015 20: 24
    What happens in / in Ukraine is a signal to the Ukrainian people: if you continue to vote for kg of buckwheat (sugar, flour, etc.) or 200 hryvnias, you will inevitably return to the primitive communal system, and then a small part.
  21. +1
    11 September 2015 20: 49
    Article bold +! Collaborationists sit in Russian Kiev, manipulate the country, kill their people! Patriots in the Donbass advocate independence and suffer hardship from the blockade.
  22. 0
    11 September 2015 21: 50
    land him rest in peace. Boris Efimovich Nemtsov - quite organically.
    I hope the topolin rest in peace for him?
  23. 0
    12 September 2015 04: 20
    Quote: PENZYAC
    The pan is needed for cooking the soup,

    Most likely not for cabbage soup. There was Noodle, so that not only on the ears, but the whole head of cabbage (here I agree) covered noodleslaughing
  24. +1
    12 September 2015 11: 38
    Everything is correctly said, but one more important factor must not be overlooked. Like our "Bolotnaya", and "Maidan" had the banner of the fight against the stealing authorities. And those who carried this banner and led the people had instructions from the State Department and dollars with euros in their pockets. I must admit - the simple and effective work of the CIA. However, the factor of the stealing power is not only not eliminated, but even more strengthened, even, as it were, confirmed by the Serdyukov-Vasilyeva case. So the disease has worsened and there is no need to blame external enemies for everything, internal ones are worse ...
  25. 0
    13 September 2015 14: 31
    Once again about the correct formulation of the question. What is the GOAL (1,2) of the separation of the people? What GOAL (3) will unite the people. Who formulated this goal? Who needs to be eliminated here and there in order to go towards a common goal. Who should get started?
  26. 0
    13 September 2015 21: 25
    The title of the article, unfortunately, turned out to be retouched by well-stated emotional reasoning with an emphasis on the liberal community as the main reason for the current events. But it seems that modern "skirmishers" with the liberal ins and outs are just a well-fed and little needing operational tool in the hands of completely different forces , which have tools of a different kind, but the author, unfortunately, is silent about them and the real reasons.