How much has the West bought Ukraine

How much has the West bought UkraineThe current situation, when the leadership of Ukraine is full of foreigners who are rapidly acquiring citizenship, is a vivid illustration of the external governance of this country. Talk that these are "effective managers" and they "will overcome corruption" is hanging noodles on the ears. This is very easy to verify.


Ask yourself - what kind of responsibility will a foreigner-manager incur if those who brought Ukraine to the handle of local natives have never been held responsible? Does anyone seriously believe that Saakashvili or other foreigners will be tried in Ukraine if their actions are criminal after five to ten years?

A Ukrainian passport in their pocket will also easily be replaced by a passport of another state, and instead of being tried in Kiev, they will be taught in Ottawa. Ukraine, as a state, was destroyed and bankrupt by all its leaders, and not just Yanukovych. Both Kravchuk, Kuchma, and Yushchenko, during their leadership of the “Square”, did not improve or develop its economy, and they destroyed the army.

They squandered all the great inheritance inherited from the USSR. Having received a share of a great country and part fleet, and even several strategic bombers, the leaders of Ukraine rotted these extremely expensive "toys", making the state a power, not an opaque formation with loud statements and small opportunities.

Ukraine is not ruined by Yanukovych. She was ruined by all who came to power. They all thought about the “golden loaves”, and not about the people of their country.

The current composition of the Ukrainian government was no exception.

Under loud statements about the fight against Russia and the consolidation of the nation, Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk, in fact, sold to the West that they did not manage to plunder or sell their predecessors.

What is happening now in Ukraine has long been described in the book by the American writer Naomi Klein. The book is called “The Doctrine of Shock: The Bloom of Disaster Capitalism” (The shock doctrine).

Reading this book, written in 2007, is extremely helpful.

But today we wanted to talk not so much about the “doctrine”, as about its implementation in modern Ukrainian realities.

What does Naomi Klein write about in her book? What kind of doctrine does she describe?

If you reduce the meaning of the work to several important conclusions, then they will look like this.

In a country that has undergone American aggression through the "shock doctrine," there is a change of power. Very often through a coup d'etat, less often through a peace process.

In any case, blood should be shed, which will enable the new government to quickly start violence and create an atmosphere of fear and uncertainty in the future in society. Society introduced into a state of stress.


How does Russia cope with the crisis - compared to Ukraine

The economy is collapsing, a decline in the standard of living begins, the devaluation of the national currency, job cuts, etc. Under the guise of combating all the "difficulties" specially organized by the new leadership of the country, liberal "reforms" begin.
The West and international financial institutions give loans to the new leadership of the country. The main task of this guide is to steal and spend these loans quickly so that there is no effect for the economy, and the debt to the West remains.

The rapid colossal increase in public debt is the primary task of this puppet leadership. For “stabilization of the situation” and “overcoming the crisis”, “reforms” are carried out. Their meaning is simple - privatization, that is, the sale of the entire wealth of the country for a penny.

This is done quickly, while society is in great shock. Hence the name of the doctrine. Then some improvement begins, but the country is already in full debt bondage, and all its tidbits are privatized for the West.

The first place of application of the "doctrine" was the coup d'état in Chile, carried out by Pinochet. The difference between the deposed president Allende and Yanukovych is that he died in his palace with a gun in his hands. But this does not matter for the further actions of pro-American puppets. Everything is going on one "manuals".

For an example of today's actions of such puppets in Ukraine, we will take and analyze the loudly declared as a great success allegedly writing off part of the national debt of Ukraine.

What you should pay attention to before reading the documents on this topic.

The main creditor of Ukraine is the private American investment fund Franklin Templeton. He gave Ukraine a debt of nine billion dollars. For comparison: Russia - three billion.

Obviously, a low percentage (around 7,22% per annum) is the driving force behind this private “investor”. To risk a large amount for interest? Would you give Ukraine a debt in today's conditions, hand on heart?
And the Franklin Templeton fund decided to lend another five billion dollars to the Ukrainian state, while writing off the 20% of the previous debt to it.

Obviously, political motivation prevails and dominates. If Ukraine is not lent again, it will not be able to repay old debts and the state will go bankrupt. Following the non-payment of pensions and wages, disconnection of electricity and heat supply, and another catastrophic fall in the value of the hryvnia, the puppet power will collapse. The main task of which is to borrow and squander this money without a trace.

In Ukraine, people in power can do it perfectly. The lessons of such a policy can be given in neighboring Moldova, where they have stolen one billion of the three, given in debt to the IMF country.

However, even in the situation of an urgent need to feed the puppet power with money, the West does not make any discounts or favors for Ukraine. Loudly declared by Yatsenyuk as a great victory, Ukraine’s agreement with creditors is in fact a great bondage.

According to independent experts, “having saved” by reducing the state debt of 3,6 a billion dollars, Ukraine will lose at least 2030 billion by the year 20.

How will this work out? That's how.

The entire scheme of the final enslavement of Ukraine is a complete lie and fraud. Yatsenyuk stated that: “No country has received the conditions that Ukraine received, starting with the 2000 year, which did not declare default.

That is, the average amount of write-off, which could be achieved without a default, was no higher than 10%. ” This is a lie. In Greece, in 2011, the same, in fact, creditors "wrote off 50% or more than 100 billion euros from 210 billion of government liabilities to banks."

When the Greek crisis of 2011 was in full swing, it was widely reported that the critical interest rate on debts for Greece (and other European countries) was 7%. It is easy to see that Ukraine’s creditors not only did not reduce its interest rate, but, on the contrary, increased it from 7,22% to 7,75%.

“The yield on Italy's key 10-year bonds has exceeded 7 percent today. For 15.00, the interest rate on them reached 7,039%. Thus, in the financial market of the eurozone continued shocks associated with a severe crisis of public debt.

The level of profitability in 7% is considered by the market as critical for the eurozone countries, after which they can no longer attract loans from the market of private borrowed capital. ”

“Critical mark is considered interest rates within 7%. For comparison: interest rates on ten-year German government bonds are more than twice lower and make up 2,7%. ”

Ask yourself why, if financial experts rate higher than 7% is considered critical, Ukraine’s creditors do not reduce it, but on the contrary, increase it? There is only one answer - so that the shock continues, so that Ukraine does not jump out of debt bondage.

To insure and securely enslave the country, the puppet current government in Kiev signed an agreement with creditors, postponing the repayment period of that part of the debt that will not be written off for four years: from 2015 – 2023 to 2019 – 2027. For this, “Ukraine has promised some compensators to creditors, according to the so-called cost recovery tool, which means“ pay more if it gets better. ”

According to this agreement, “if Ukraine’s GDP from 2021 will grow more intensively than by 3% per year, Kiev will hand over securities to lenders. If the economy grows slower than 3% of GDP, no payments will be made to creditors, with GDP growing from 3% to 4%, lenders will receive 15% of value from percent of GDP growth, with GDP growing above 4%, lenders will receive 40% of each percent growth. "
In practice, this means that if, despite the enslaving interest rates, the Ukrainian economy still miraculously begins to grow and recover, the moneylenders from the West will receive a lot of money. Almost half of the growth of the entire Ukrainian economy!

At the same time, the question: “who will count the growth of GDP”, from which you have to pay, there is only one answer. The American embassy will consider it - it will consider that it is necessary to pay - there will be growth. On paper, of course. Or someone doubts this and believes that Yatsenyuk or Poroshenko can argue with the West?

And finally, returning to the “shock doctrine”. The main thing is to borrow, waste money, plunder loans with the connivance of and on the direct instructions of Western friends. And here is the assessment of an “independent financial analyst from Kiev”: “The main positive of today's decision, in addition to writing off a decent piece of debt, is that Ukraine will be able to re-enter the foreign borrowing markets. Starting to create your credit history from scratch".

Could the West, if it were a “friend of Ukraine” and cared about its interests, give other conditions and write off all the debt or its lion’s share? Of course! The example of Greece is in front of everyone. But the other task is to increase the debt, not to reduce it! This is how the former Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine and the head of the National Bank Sergey Arbuzov describes the situation:

“It’s no secret that Ukrainian securities have been traded on the market for much longer than their nominal levels. And among the lenders there are a lot of those who bought them for 50%. Ie, having written off 20%, they only fixed considerable profit. The postponement of payments on 4 here is not a huge victim compared to what creditors would have had in case of default, ”believes Arbuzov.

That is, they could, of course, write off half, and write off much less. At the same time, they raised an already critical, by their own rules, interest rate. And they got an agreement in which they also receive 40% from any growth of the Ukrainian economy.

In any other state, for such a contract, the leadership of the country would call traitors, and the contract itself - the sale of the country's national interests.

In the state-occupied Ukraine of today's Ukraine, this is called upholding the interests of the country and a great achievement.
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  1. mivmim 12 September 2015 06: 08 New
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    Any "freedom" from Russia (the former Soviet republics, in any case) implies a knee-cancer position, which we clearly see in Ukraine.
    With Russia it is certainly much worse than under the pin ... dos.laughing
    1. nils 12 September 2015 06: 39 New
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      Quote: mivmim
      clearly we observe in Ukraine.


      The head of the Odessa region of Ukraine, Saakashvili, on Ukrainian television commented on the current state of affairs in the country's economy. According to him, in terms of per capita GDP, the country can be compared with African Gabon.

      Should Saakashvili offer chewing ties instead of lard?
      1. Tanais 12 September 2015 07: 56 New
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        Quote: nils
        The head of the Odessa region of Ukraine, Saakashvili, on Ukrainian television commented on the current state of affairs in the country's economy. According to him, in terms of per capita GDP, the country can be compared with African Gabon.


        Such "revelations" from Mishiko are nothing more than another attack in the direction of Yaitsenuha, with a claim to the prime minister's chair.
        1. liuk gud 14 September 2015 07: 27 New
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          By the way, look at Sharia. Gabon lives 3 times better compared to Ukraine
      2. gjv
        gjv 12 September 2015 14: 23 New
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        Quote: nils
        Should Saakashvili offer chewing ties instead of lard?

        Well, if Gabon, then not fat in a tie, but a cassava with yams and sugarcane. bully
        1. madjik 12 September 2015 19: 28 New
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          I didn’t even read, zl about this krajina? didn’t you get tired? is everything so subtle in the country? Only Russian capitalism is worse than American capitalism!))) big pasans cannot divide the world. I believe that the LENIN’s cause live !!! me that rockefeller, that Sechin is the same scum!
          1. Absurdidat 13 September 2015 06: 29 New
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            And in Modern Russia, the fashion is so worried about everyone. They litter our brains, taking advantage of the fact that the mentality has been such a messenger from time immemorial. Banal distraction from internal problems. The grub has risen in price? And there is war in Syria. Gasoline rose 3 rubles in a month? And in Greece, defaulted. They steal godlessly in a country where the Presidential Party rules, even though he is cunning, non-partisan, well, the president’s people are in power everywhere, and finally Ukraine will soon tryndets ...
            We generally discussed the initiative to ban in the countryside from keeping in each yard more than 5 cows and 10 sheep? No. But they seriously wanted to drive the entire population to feed in millionaire complexes, which are associated with several of the largest agricultural holdings, half with foreign capital, by the way, and which raise pigs and chicken genetically modified and feeding GMOs with chemical additives, antibiotics. Well this meat stinks naturally, although cheaper than "home". The unemployed village was then supposed to die out altogether, and with a dozen capitalists fill their place with their nonsense and become even more wealthy. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vladimirov, the governor of the Stavropol Territory, through and through, and cattle pancake, who was very much in favor of this initiative. Yes, the villagers only survive due to the subsidiary plots, but he doesn’t give a damn about Agro-Khim, he needs to build complexes for one and a half million chickens in three months, he serves 39 people for a salary of 40 thousand rubles, and Karachai Guberns enrich themselves, in Moscow they carry money to the ministries, and here the villagers compete with their chickens, pigs and cows! Drive them from the market, spread rot! Tkachenko and the company did not pass the trial ball, but they will strain, chip in and buy someone who needs it. Or not, what am I !? Well this is all wrong and bad in Ukraine, we have no problems, sorry comrades ...
          2. larand 13 September 2015 11: 35 New
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            Quote: madjik
            I didn’t even read, zl about this krajina? you weren’t enough? is everything so subtle in the country? only Russian capitalism is worse than American capitalism!)))


            Yes, our gangster and thief is worse and more impudent. Gates and other local brains used to get rich, and the Reff bourgeoisie thrived on stolen state property.
  2. Same lech 12 September 2015 06: 17 New
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    And the Franklin Templeton fund decided to lend another five billion dollars to the Ukrainian state, while writing off the 20% of the previous debt to it.


    Steal the lads while there is an opportunity .... you have always succeeded perfectly with RUSSIA .... now milk the USA and the EU.
    1. Tanais 12 September 2015 08: 05 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      Steal the lads while there is an opportunity .... you have always succeeded perfectly with RUSSIA .... now milk the USA and the EU.



      So you wrote so that it appears from the text that you (Russia) are “washing your hands” and are ready to forget everything and everything that you owe ...

      Based on modern history, we, alas, know that the United States, "just like that", "from nothing to do," did not give anything to anyone and does not give ... And we do not intend to forgive anything.
      1. sl22277 12 September 2015 11: 32 New
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        In Washington, they decided to harm Russia with the hands of Ukraine. This is perhaps one of the main reasons. I am sure that there would be no such situation if there were no common border between Ukraine and Russia.
        1. marlin1203 12 September 2015 11: 47 New
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          This is a deep thought! laughing Geopolitical competition has no borders at all. It will be necessary to strangle Australia. soldier
          1. sl22277 12 September 2015 11: 57 New
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            I agree. But in this situation there is a "Customer" and there is a "Contractor". And there is Russia, which Washington considers "Aggressor." Only the "customer" is located across the ocean, and Ukraine is dissolving this mess.
    2. Aleksandr72 12 September 2015 14: 22 New
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      How much did the West buy Ukraine? - At the cost of the cookies that Victoria Nuland distributed on the Maidan.
      Why does the West (and the USA) need Ukraine? - The answer (clearly). Moreover, it is Ukraine as a country, the people are going to the load and it is desirable to shorten it. True, they have already requested Crimea ..., in general, they have lost:
  3. s.melioxin 12 September 2015 06: 27 New
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    In the state-occupied Ukraine of today's Ukraine, this is called upholding the interests of the country and a great achievement.
    Not when and no one will force me to do what "I" do not want to do. They chose their path. They like it. How long? We will see. I think that I myself will still find it to be seen and heard, as once again creeps up to Russia "this is a miracle country." The main thing is not to fuss. The mutts bark loudest. Silence and endurance are a sign of breed.
    1. Dryuya2 12 September 2015 09: 31 New
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      Quote: s.melioxin
      I think that I myself will still find it to be seen and heard, as once again creeps up to Russia "this is a miracle country." The main thing is not to fuss. The mutts bark loudest. Silence and endurance are a sign of breed.

      winked yes
      23:4911.09.2015
      Foreign investors advised Ukraine to stop begging
      At the international forum YES in Kiev ....
      Former US Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers said Congress is unlikely to approve additional assistance to Kiev. "In Washington, everyone who cares about Ukraine has already done everything necessary for the government to allocate money. There is no one to persuade anyone except those who are not interested," he said. Summers advised Kiev to convince the West that financial assistance to Ukraine "is not charity, but investment."
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      “I have no idea how this economy can attract investors,” said Ronnie Chan, head of Hang Lung Properties. According to him, Kiev should first restore order in the country, and rely on Europe or China is not worth it. "Instead of being dependent on others, rely on yourself," the investor emphasized.
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      "Ukraine cannot become a strong country without a strong economy, and ultimately it must take care of itself without asking the rest of the world for help," said American economist Arthur Laffer, head of Laffer Associates and Laffer Investments
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  4. northerner lech 12 September 2015 06: 30 New
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    Yes, and Husim, you will not be forcibly sweet. Let them jump on.
  5. Kos_kalinki9 12 September 2015 06: 31 New
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    Do not offend Senya the rabbit. He is a dick. He's overpowered, and you're all criticized !!!
    Moreover, the passport of the city of Canada has long been in your pocket.
    Glory to the great Economist Seine egg.
  6. siberalt 12 September 2015 06: 34 New
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    There are no charitable creditors. Any cancellation of debts is secured by other assets or liabilities. Providing a loan to pay the previous one with a loan interest is an obvious enslavement. In December of this year Ukraine should return Russia 3 lard on Eurobonds (before that it paid interest). And how can she do it? laughing
    1. Kos_kalinki9 12 September 2015 07: 13 New
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      Well, like, they still hope-
  7. apro 12 September 2015 06: 43 New
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    The name amused why the West bought Ukraine, and why Russia did not buy Ukraine? There’s no reason to solve this problem so they would have bought, the lost should be returned for money so for money, and so the amers of the Bob’s flow were answered just like that and don’t want to?
    1. AID.S 12 September 2015 07: 31 New
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      And then read on?
    2. populist 12 September 2015 09: 26 New
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      why Russia did not buy Ukraine

      For Russia, buying Ukraine in such conditions is like throwing money away. Even worse. It will be just help to the enemy.
  8. Mountain shooter 12 September 2015 07: 43 New
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    Dill has yet to taste the "paradise apples" of European integration. The people can do absolutely nothing. He is being led like rams to a slaughterhouse, and they are still happily bleating and jumping, jumping ...
  9. RiverVV 12 September 2015 07: 50 New
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    The author is naive. Remember the old Hochma: how is a crest different from a Ukrainian? Answer: the Ukrainian lives in Ukraine, and the crest - anywhere. So there are no contradictions. Saakashvili, Yaresko, Gaidar, or a tipus with an indecent Georgian surname - these are all typical Ukrainians and they have a place in Europe’s sump.
  10. rotmistr60 12 September 2015 07: 58 New
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    According to independent experts, “having saved” by reducing the state debt of 3,6 a billion dollars, Ukraine will lose at least 2030 billion by the year 20.

    And no wonder. Observing from the side, I really did not want Ukraine to write off debts - she died, she died. But when you think about it, you begin to understand that the West, and especially the United States, just doesn’t do anything. And as a result: they seem to have extended a "helping hand", but in fact they drove us into even greater bondage. Ukraine itself did not just go to this, but fled.
  11. Karabin 12 September 2015 08: 04 New
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    How much has the West bought Ukraine

    How much did the Kremlin sell Novorossia? How much did the rag and prostitute Yanukovych cost Russia? Who did not notice and sold the Russians of Little Russia? Who will be responsible for the criminal mediocrity of foreign policy? Who justifies this in their "analytics"? It would be known to these questions to get an answer from Kolya, and it is known that the Yankees do what they want on the Russian land of Ukraine and the Russian city of Kiev.
    How does Russia cope with the crisis - compared to Ukraine

    And just like any third world country. Pays the costs of the western world.
  12. akudr48 12 September 2015 08: 46 New
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    "How much did the West buy Ukraine."

    This title seems to me not quite right.

    Not the West was asking for a price that was independent, but she herself was running around the market in a multi-vector mode, trying to sell herself more expensively.

    Therefore, it should be said more precisely, "how much do u.k.r.p. have once again sold l.a.h.a.m."

    Of course, the main beneficiaries of the purchase - sale of Nenko were, as usual, the French.
    1. FID
      FID 12 September 2015 09: 18 New
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      trying to sell yourself more expensively.

      Maybe just SELL YOURSELF, without more expensive ... Let at least someone give money ...
  13. olimpiada15 12 September 2015 09: 06 New
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    How much did the west buy Ukraine?
    If the Yankees used to pay with glass beads for gold,
    Now it’s easier - they give paper candy wrappers, which is cheaper than beads and more effective for America.
    In fact, the dollar is a debt obligation of states that live beyond their means
    and receiving such "help" means
    that the country, at the expense of its internal resources, fills a useless, but authoritative piece of paper, with real goods, the first time it is accepted and
    the second time it gives, and with interest.
    Approximately such a mechanism works when countries take dollars into circulation, they haven’t received anything, but have to stay.
  14. mihasik
    mihasik 12 September 2015 09: 26 New
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    I still can’t understand how they generally consider these statistics in the tables!
    1.In 2014, the ruble was worth 34-37 rubles / dollar, now 68 rubles / dollar. What the hell 51%?
    2. Unemployment 5,3% - and who gives these percentages, Rosstat? What about employment centers for him? And who goes there and for what? For a penny allowance? Alms and more are served.
    3. Inflation is 20,8%, and most of the products have risen in price by 100%. What the fuck do you think? And this is not to mention manufactured goods, especially imported ones.
    4. The average salary. Is that from that joke? Does an official receive a million a month, 30 hard workers per ruble per month, an average of 33000 rubles / month in the country?)
    I wonder who makes this crap, do they even go outside?
    And about Ukraine in general I am silent. There is a complete P .... c!
    1. yuriy55 12 September 2015 10: 25 New
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      4. The average salary. Is that from that joke? Does an official receive a million a month, 30 hard workers per ruble per month, an average of 33000 rubles / month in the country?)


      It is interesting to get an average of 33000 with established from some categories from 100 to 000 how many people should receive the very minuscule minimum wage so that the numbers "settle down"?

      The same interest arose with a sudden increase in the life expectancy of the male population of Russia from 59 to 65,6. Right in 2-3 years. How is this possible? ... The hungry man does not speak ... laughing
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    3. NEMO 12 September 2015 12: 17 New
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      I still can’t understand how they generally consider these statistics in the tables! I wonder who makes this crap, do they even go outside?

      What the fuck is their street ...
      - Politically reasoning, honestly. Do not understand the political situation.
      You only see life from the window of my personal car, I swear, honestly ... (Caucasian captive).
  15. Vega 12 September 2015 09: 39 New
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    I wanted to ask a question to the author of the article: did the West buy Ukraine or enslave? And these are very different concepts.
  16. German Titov 12 September 2015 09: 53 New
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    Maybe not "in the subject." But sometimes I get "fed up" when my friends (no longer friends) return with Russian citizenship and try to teach life. I’m not talking about those who have been with me “side by side” for more than a year (guys from different regions of the State). I’m talking about those who "screwed up" when Donbass was "unbearable" - now they have "returned" for portfolios. They didn’t collect fragments of bodies “in puzzles” (in order to put at least something in the coffin). I also had the option to “sit out in Russia and obtain citizenship” (I sometimes dream of Khabarovsk Krai at night (in my youth I worked for BAM). For these "individuals", I think, patchport "citizen of Russia" as a pass. Adapted ...
  17. yuriy55 12 September 2015 10: 13 New
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    There is a saying that a spoonful of tar spoils a barrel of honey. Let, in someone's opinion, the author is wrong. But I really like the comparison pictures with the labels "ally of the West" - "under Western sanctions." Does anyone have any other reasons? No? I do not argue, you just need to swallow a bitter pill and recover sooner.

    There were also problems in Russia during the collapse of the USSR, Russia took upon itself all the obligations of the USSR (and everyone agreed with this), there were also its own Gorbachev-Yeltsins ...
    It is incredible, but the fact that the RSFSR never strained about exchanging a "communal apartment" for a separate "living space". Moreover, she warned some who craved independence, matured "brothers" and "sisters." But ... What happened is what happened. Pern, you will not return back.
    We can only assume that if at the beginning of the divorce the issues of Crimea (which was hardly possible with the ambitions of the Presidents of that time) and the belonging of the pipelines and communications of the gas pipeline (they would spit on everything and all the agreements, and determine the territorial division border). Perhaps there would be no talk now about gas transit and the need to build new branches bypassing. They would train the US Navy somewhere in the Caribbean ...
    And, about that, they sold, they didn’t sell, and for what ... Maybe, in a frenzy, it seemed to someone that jumping higher would gain more? Someone saw their future in tights and with gingerbread in their hands, someone was tired of raking the oligarchic. Maybe sick hands swung in brawls in the Rada and on the Maidan. Only the thinking, gathered people to live for a long time needed to understand:
    old friend (Russia) - better than the new two (USA and Europe). yes
  18. roskot 12 September 2015 10: 27 New
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    Senya Rabbit made a lot of efforts for the collapse of Ukraine. And he will go down in history like others - destroyers of Ukraine.
  19. Straight 12 September 2015 11: 47 New
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    In Russia, the average salary is 33 thousand rubles? Is this if we divide the incomes of the capitalists into all? Well, let's share! This is folk money, right? When they shared everything in the 90s, they did not ask us!
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      mihasik 12 September 2015 12: 30 New
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      Quote: Direct
      In Russia, the average salary is 33 thousand rubles? Is this if we divide the incomes of the capitalists into all? Well, let's share! This is folk money, right? When they shared everything in the 90s, they did not ask us!

      Well, why not ask. They asked and even offered). For a voucher of ten thousand rubles, they officially gave 10 rubles. When the money depreciated (approximately as it is now), vouchers were replaced instead of money by the people in the form of compensation, but the vouchers offered to "give" voluntarily, i.e. at their own discretion, the gopniks liked more in exchange for "shares" such as "MMM", "ABBA", "HOPPER", etc. The people independently privatized state assets for the Gopnik oligarchs by giving vouchers in the hope of profit. And what to do, waiting for a freebie- Achilles heel of Loch!)
  20. Friends 12 September 2015 11: 58 New
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    Quote: apro
    The name amused why the West bought Ukraine, and why Russia did not buy Ukraine? There’s no reason to solve this problem so they would have bought, the lost should be returned for money so for money, and so the amers of the Bob’s flow were answered just like that and don’t want to?


    Surely they tried, and in 2012-2013, apparently, they intensified and obviously not unsuccessfully - given that the West was forced to act quickly and openly, almost forgetting about the basic norms of diplomatic ethics.
  21. Rigla 12 September 2015 14: 15 New
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    Enough of illusions, they say they are our brothers.
    They have always been like that. Is always. And at the turn of the 80s - 90s and a quarter century later. I’m not talking about Western Ukraine now, everything is clear there - slaves who have been washing pots for their masters over the centuries (Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, Austrians, etc.), I’m talking about central Ukraine, they hate us. Sometimes I go to the Kharkov forum, and so there 99% of forum users are frank Nazis, but a city-wide forum with hundreds of thousands of forum users is an ideal sample! IMHO you need:
    1). The wall on the border, so that the mouse does not slip.
    2). Block all roads, no cars, trains, buses, planes, communication only through third countries.
    3). The most severe visa regime. Do you want to communicate with your relatives in Belarus, etc.
    4). Deep relations without ambassadors, only a few diplomats at the embassy and consulate.
    5). FULL RIP of all relations (economic, cultural, social, etc.), leave the pipe only until 2019.
    6). To deport all citizens of Ukraine in a short time, to remove from all gates, to expel all within a month (except for political refugees, refugees from the Donbass, give them Russian citizenship).
    7). All residents of Ukraine who wished to leave for the Russian Federation immediately be granted citizenship of the Russian Federation (!!!!! subject to a full-scale survey, including a lie detector - whether he was on the Maidan, whether he participated in the ATO, if he sympathized with the current authorities and other Bandera people, did he help them, how do you feel about Russia, etc.). Thus, all the normal will leave for the Russian Federation, and the mad Nazis will die in Bandera.
    8). All you can help Donbass.
  22. roskot 12 September 2015 15: 14 New
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    The West bought Ukraine for a dummy. He promised to go on a trip to Europe. The tour did not take place.
    1. Aleksandr72 12 September 2015 19: 40 New
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      Yes, in principle, everything is as in life: for the entrance - the ruble (in the sense of the hryvnia), the exit - three! But in the case of Ukraine, they didn’t even let it into Europe, they only promised it, but at the same time the ruble (in the sense of the hryvnia) and the exit were torn off at the same time. Moreover, the European Union for this promise (!) To accept someday (in the next life) Ukraine in the EU is trying to hang "refugees" from North Africa on its neck. No, but so what - but there will be someone to ride on the Maidan. True, apparently, the new “black clappers” will not yell for “fat Ukraine”, because most of them are Muslims (and among them there are probably enough radical Islamists). So there is a good chance that in such situations, the national product of Ukraine - fat will disappear along with unfortunate pigs, because this is haram. Well, along with the bacon, Country 404 will disappear. And the Ukrainians themselves will flee (faster than their own squeal) from new settlers and most likely to neighboring Russia.
      PS Do not take my words at face value - I'm exaggerating. But in my opinion, no one will dispute the fact that Ukraine itself is in full swing into the abyss, except perhaps for Ukraine itself.
      I have the honor.
  23. pts-m 12 September 2015 15: 54 New
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    as usual in life ... sold their freedom for 1 hryvnia, but it is impossible to redeem it even for 1000 hryvnias ...
  24. DobryAAH 12 September 2015 16: 19 New
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    No, Ukraine will not give debts to the West. She’s lucky, the creditor’s Russia will jam by this time.
  25. PValery53 12 September 2015 16: 56 New
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    When in 2019 they completely block the freebies of Banderland, they will immediately become “good” (“good” - according to the “White Sun of the Desert”). Ukrainians must understand that they themselves are to blame for their own fate, and begin to build their lives in a new way, from the very bottom.
  26. Reptiloid 12 September 2015 18: 44 New
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    Quote: Rigla
    Enough of illusions, they say they are our brothers.
    They have always been like that. Is always. And at the turn of the 80s - 90s and a quarter century later. I’m not talking about Western Ukraine now, everything is clear there - slaves who have been washing pots for their masters over the centuries (Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, Austrians, etc.), I’m talking about central Ukraine, they hate us. Sometimes I go to the Kharkov forum, and so there 99% of forum users are frank Nazis, but a city-wide forum with hundreds of thousands of forum users is an ideal sample! IMHO you need:
    1). The wall on the border, so that the mouse does not slip.
    2). Block all roads, no cars, trains, buses, planes, communication only through third countries.
    3). The most severe visa regime. Do you want to communicate with your relatives in Belarus, etc.
    4). Deep relations without ambassadors, only a few diplomats at the embassy and consulate.
    5). FULL RIP of all relations (economic, cultural, social, etc.), leave the pipe only until 2019.
    6). To deport all citizens of Ukraine in a short time, to remove from all gates, to expel all within a month (except for political refugees, refugees from the Donbass, give them Russian citizenship).
    7). All residents of Ukraine who wished to leave for the Russian Federation immediately be granted citizenship of the Russian Federation (!!!!! subject to a full-scale survey, including a lie detector - whether he was on the Maidan, whether he participated in the ATO, if he sympathized with the current authorities and other Bandera people, did he help them, how do you feel about Russia, etc.). Thus, all the normal will leave for the Russian Federation, and the mad Nazis will die in Bandera.
    8). All you can help Donbass.

    SUPER !!! Many Russians think like you! One can only add ---- So far, these items have not yet come into effect --- control over money from the Russian Federation - Ukraine. Taxes from them are here, control over those who are earnings
  27. Vasisualiy 12 September 2015 18: 59 New
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    About the statistics plate:

    Samuel Clemens (M. Twain) said that there is a lie, a diabolical lie and statistics.

    Or: In the class, Vasya has five apples, Lena has three, and Sasha has one, and on average they have three apples. Officials and oligarchs are eating meat, and we are cabbage, on average, we all eat stuffed cabbage. The wife of the director of the enterprise sleeps with everyone, and the guard does not give anyone. On average, they are all bl..di.
  28. IAlex 12 September 2015 19: 01 New
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    Ukraine is a historical territorial misunderstanding, and the environment and time always correct errors by erasing periodically misunderstandings ...

    In fact, Ukraine today is just another territory such as the Kulikovo field, on which another analogue of the “Don Battle” takes place again, where the Russian army throws off another Anglo-Saxon yoke of the 20th and 21st centuries and this action is the first step towards the liberation of Russian lands from Anglo-Saxon dependence.
  29. trofy 12 September 2015 19: 16 New
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    In fact, in terms of GDP per capita, Gabon surpasses Ukraine by 3 (THREE !!!) times.
    Вот ссылка: http://knoema.ru/atlas/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0?compareTo=GA
  30. NordUral 12 September 2015 23: 44 New
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    Almost for nothing.
  31. iouris 14 September 2015 17: 56 New
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    And I have a question: how much did the West buy the USSR and the countries that were part of the Warsaw Treaty Organization. This question does not give me rest.
  32. Olegater 14 September 2015 20: 50 New
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    How much has the West bought Ukraine - inexpensively.