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The first show of the upgraded BMP-3M "Dragoon"

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Having a lot of positive features, the infantry fighting vehicle BMP-3 could not avoid criticism. One of the main reasons for claims is considered to be the specific layout of the corps, which makes it difficult for some of the processes during the combat work. Unlike previous domestic infantry fighting vehicles, the Troika has aft engine compartment. For this reason, the landing is located in the middle part of the hull, and two places for soldiers are located in the control section. Because of this, the landing force has to leave the car through special tunnels above the engine compartment and hatches in the roof, which was the reason for the claims.


It is known that, at least in one case, such claims almost reached the creation of a new project. A few years ago, the armed forces of the United Arab Emirates, having several hundred BMP-3, considered the option of re-assembling this technology in order to transfer the engine and transmission to the front of the hull. To develop a new project was one of the German defense companies. Nevertheless, then the work ended at the stage of studying the prospects and working out the general appearance of the promising modification of Russian technology.

The first show of the upgraded BMP-3M "Dragoon"


At the Russia Arms Expo 2015 exhibition now taking place in Nizhny Tagil, the concern Tractor Plants presented a new modification of the infantry fighting vehicle BMP-3, which differs from the basic version in the arrangement of the power plant. Seeing the needs of some armies in the world, the Russian designers decided to develop an updated version of the armored vehicle, which has a different layout. In order to increase combat effectiveness, it was proposed to use a classic layout for modern armored vehicles with a front engine compartment and a troop compartment in the stern.

The new project of the revised infantry fighting vehicle was called the Dragoon. The base for this vehicle was taken BMP-3M, which is a further development of the basic "Troika". The project "Dragoon" meant a serious change in the location of the units inside the body, in addition, it was proposed to use a new combat module. Thus, the BMP-3M "Dragoon" is a deep modernization of the base machine. Moreover, some features of the project allow us to consider it a new development, created using the developments of the previous BMP-3.



Unlike the base machine, the Dragoon has a classic layout for modern infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. In front of the case is now located engine compartment with the engine and other units. The basis of the power plant, according to advertising materials, is a multi-fuel engine UTD-32 with the power of 816 hp. Engine-coupled manual transmission, transmitting torque to the front drive wheels.

Directly behind the engine compartment is the control compartment. Due to the use of new weapons and the need to create a reserve for modernization, it was decided to place the entire crew of a combat vehicle, consisting of three people, side by side, shoulder to shoulder. Behind the engine are the driver (in the center), the commander and gunner-operator of weapons (on the sides). Their jobs are equipped with all necessary equipment to monitor the situation, control the machine and use weapons. All three crew members have their own hatches in the roof of the hull, equipped with periscopic viewing devices. Moreover, in the case of the driver, periscopes are the main way of tracking the road.



The base BMP-3 on the sides of the driver are places for two paratroopers who could not fit into the main troop compartment. In the hull of the Dragoon, this part of the habitable volume is given to the crew. The two paratroopers, in turn, are now offered to be transported on the seats located behind the control compartment, in front of the tower and the fighting compartment.

The middle part of the body of the upgraded machine is given under the combat module. According to the advertising materials presented at the exhibition, the BMP-3M “Dragoon” can be equipped with three types of combat modules, each of which has its own weaponry structure and differs from the others in the configuration of submachine units. In the case of the sample currently being demonstrated, the units of the fighting compartment, located inside the vehicle body, are placed in a rectangular casing. On the sides of the casing there are small passages that can be used by paratroopers in the front seats.


Crew Jobs. In the foreground post control


The entire aft of the hull, located behind the shoulder strap of the tower, is given for the placement of the landing force. The dimensions of this compartment allowed the installation of six seats, three on each side. The seats are attached to the sides, the fighters must sit facing each other. Access to the troop compartment is carried out using a stern ramp. A large door with a lowered ramp is provided in the hull stern sheet. This unit allows you to land fighters both during a stop and in motion at low speed. An important feature of the new layout of the troop compartment is the fact that when dismounting, the fighters hide behind the body of their armored vehicles. In addition, on the side they are protected by special armored boxes, in which some units of the machine are located.

The chassis of the upgraded BMP-3M has undergone some changes directly related to the processing of the hull layout. The machine still has six road wheels on each side. Skating rinks have an individual torsion suspension. In addition, two front and one aft pair of rollers are equipped with additional shock absorbers. For the correct distribution of the load on the chassis, the road wheels of the new machine are uneven. So, the third, fourth and fifth pairs of rollers are shifted to each other, because of which the gaps between the second and third pairs, as well as the last two pairs, have increased. In connection with the transfer of the engine, the drive wheels are now located in the front of the hull, the guides in the stern. According to the composition of the used components and assemblies of the chassis, the modernized machine, apparently, is unified with the basic “Troika”.



Despite serious improvements and rearranging, the Dragoon has approximately the same dimensions as the base BMP-3M. The chassis length is 6715 mm, the width of the wings - 3,4 m (3,15 m tracks). The maximum height on the roof of the tower (probably the most significant combat module is meant) - 2570 mm. The total combat mass of the new chassis, excluding the turret with weapons, is 15,5 t. The vehicle’s own crew is three people. In the configuration of the infantry fighting vehicle chassis can carry eight soldiers with weapons: two behind the crew and six in the stern.

Engine UTD-32 power HP 816 should provide a new combat vehicle with a high specific power and, as a result, good mobility regardless of the type of installed combat module. Thus, the average speed when driving on a highway is declared at the level of 60 km / h. If necessary, the machine will be able to cross the water obstacles by swimming, moving with the help of jet propulsion. The maximum speed on the water does not exceed 10 km / h. The declared fuel range on the highway is 600 km. On the water, the Dragoon will be able to move for 7 hours.

At the exhibition Russia Arms Expo 2015 presented a sample of the BMP-3M "Dragoon" with a remote-controlled cannon-machine-gun combat module. In promotional materials, this system is referred to as BM 100 + 30. Such a combat module is a tower of a characteristic form with beveled front sheets, in which a full set of weapons is installed. The module has turret devices: a part of its units is located inside the base of the base machine, in a rectangular casing. The dimensions of this casing allowed to leave small aisles at the sides of the machine, which should be used by paratroopers.



The BM 100 + 30 combat module is equipped with an 2-70 launcher with a 100 caliber mm. 30-mm automatic gun 2А72 is paired with this tool. Finally, to defeat manpower and unprotected targets, the combat module carries a PKTM 7,62 mm machine gun. Guidance of all receiver systems is carried out using common drives. Armament is equipped with a stabilizer. On the left cheekbone and on the roof of the turret of the module there are two sights connected with the commander and gunner control panels. On the right cheekbone of the tower mounted smoke grenade launcher.

The dimensions of the turret and under-turret units of the module allow to transport rather large ammunition. In the automatic loader for the 2-70 launcher, 22 shots are located, as well as 3 guided missiles. The ammunition of the automatic gun 2А72 consists of 500 shells. The use of armor-piercing tracer, frag-tracer and high-explosive-incendiary shots is possible. According to the developer’s advertising materials, the standard 2А72 cannon ammunition consists of 305 fragmentation and 195 armor-piercing shells. In the boxes for the machine gun is placed up to 2000 cartridges.

It is noteworthy that the combat module presented at the exhibition is not different in composition from weapons of the BMP-3 turret. However, unlike it, the new module is made uninhabited and equipped with remote control systems. Thus, in terms of combat characteristics, it hardly differs from the base tower, but has the advantage of being smaller and reducing risks for the crew, which is now protected by the vehicle’s armored hull.


Options weapons "Dragoon"


BMP-3M "Dragoon" has a standard shoulder strap diameter, which allows equipping this vehicle with other types of combat modules. So, on the poster with information about the project the possibility of using the BM 57 and BM 125 modules is indicated. The BM 57 system is also known as AU-220M. This module with a 57-mm automatic gun was first introduced at the beginning of this year, and at the current Russia Arms Expo exhibition it is demonstrated as part of the BMP-3 Derivation combat vehicle. The BM 125 product is proposed to be equipped with a 125 mm smoothbore tank the gun. Thus, the new chassis based on the Troika can be the basis for both infantry fighting vehicles and light tanks or specialized self-propelled guns.

According to domestic media reports, the experimental model of the BMP-3M "Dragoon" will have to go through the entire test cycle. In this case, there are grounds for assumptions about the imminent start of the mass production of such equipment. The news agency "Lenta.ru," with reference to an unnamed source in the military, writes that the Ministry of Defense has already become interested in "Dragoon". The specific forms of such interest, however, are not yet specified. Any conclusions about the prospects of the new technology will be possible only after the completion of the tests.

Officially, an infantry fighting vehicle created as part of the Dragoon project is considered an upgraded version of the BMP-3M serial. Nevertheless, the main features of the project allow us to talk about the creation of a completely new machine, in the design of which existing components and assemblies are widely used. One way or another, the Dragoon project is of great interest from a technical point of view, as a result of which it can have great prospects in the international market of armaments and military equipment.



Currently, infantry combat vehicles BMP-3 existing modifications are in service with foreign 11 countries. The appearance of a modification with a modified layout may increase this list. In addition, countries already operating the Troika may show interest in the Dragoon, which will contribute to a high degree of unification of the two machines. Thus, the project of modernization of the existing BMP-3М over the next few years may become one of the most interesting and promising Russian proposals on the international market for weapons and military equipment.

However, the upgraded BMP must first go through a full cycle of tests. Checks of the updated car will start in the foreseeable future and take some time. According to their results, the Russian ministry will have to draw certain conclusions. In addition, the completion of the inspection will allow to introduce a new car to potential customers from foreign countries. Thus, the serial production of the "Dragoon" - if it starts - starts only in a few years. In the meantime, it remains to study the submitted materials and make our assumptions about the future of an interesting project.


On the materials of the sites:
http://lenta.ru/
http://tvzvezda.ru/
http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/
http://vestnik-rm.ru/
https://vk.com/tankspub
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Vestnik-rm.ru, Vk.com/tankspub
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  1. podgornovea
    podgornovea 11 September 2015 06: 44 New
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    57-mm tanks on 6km, judging by the picture? Doubtful effectiveness even on surveillance devices with ammunition 80 shells.
    1. 31rus
      31rus 11 September 2015 07: 29 New
      +1
      Dear not in tanks, but in lightly armored vehicles, I have another doubt, why there is no Ptur, at least 2, I consider it a big drawback of both Dragoons and Derivation
      1. vkl-47
        vkl-47 11 September 2015 10: 11 New
        +4
        So there guided missiles are launched through the bore
    2. Engineer
      Engineer 11 September 2015 09: 12 New
      +1
      Aft and board 40mm Abrams easily.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 11 September 2015 12: 09 New
        +2
        In my opinion, another modification of the BMP-3 suggests itself (and as an option for upgrading the old BMP-3):
        everything installed on the BMP-3m +
        remotely controlled combat module BM 100 + 30,
        the commander with the gunner is sitting to the right and left of the driver (where there were 2 paratroopers), and
        the vacated seat in the combat (BM 100 + 30 module is smaller than the regular one in size) is assigned to paratroopers (under backpacks, etc.)
    3. Juborg
      Juborg 11 September 2015 11: 55 New
      +1
      Here, what attracts this arrangement is the increased caliber, with an automatic, ammunition inside and the autonomy of the module, in addition, in my opinion, a more convenient way out for dismounting the assault. But what about feed tanks? Flammability and explosiveness are now reduced to zero (well, they don’t explode, there’s nothing there, no fumes!).
      1. max702
        max702 12 September 2015 09: 55 New
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        Quote: juborg
        ? Flammability and explosiveness are now reduced to zero (well, they don’t explode, there’s nothing there, no fumes!).

        In Afghanistan, 1,2 BMPs flashed only on the road .. the feed tanks were a very controversial decision, but apparently there was nowhere else to shove
    4. Ruslan
      Ruslan 12 September 2015 01: 49 New
      0
      good thought comes afterwards. after all, bmp-3 had to be done this initially, but the engineers decided to create. cool car. everything is as it should.
  2. andrei.yandex
    andrei.yandex 11 September 2015 08: 53 New
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    Judging by the engine power and the likely not high weight of this modification, the dynamic movement indicators are expected to strike, but fuel consumption is alarming, which should affect the cruising range.
    1. ermak.sidorov
      ermak.sidorov 11 September 2015 09: 46 New
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      800 horses at 15 tons !!! I would look like she kneads mud on the intersection =)
      1. marshes
        marshes 11 September 2015 12: 27 New
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        Quote: ermak.sidorov
        800 horses at 15 tons !!! I would look like she kneads mud on the intersection =)

        It surprises me the most. It’s like in the automotive industry, power characteristics are drawn out from engines, especially from small models, the bazaar is jock smile they will be valid while the car is under warranty, on average 5 years or 100t / km. , then "crap" on these engines climbs out.
        1. max702
          max702 11 September 2015 15: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: marshes
          It surprises me the most. It’s like in the automobile industry, power characteristics are drawn out from the engines, especially from small models, they will operate the bazaar while the car is under warranty for an average of 5 years or 100t / km. , then "crap" on these engines climbs out.

          What surprises you? Do you know that the volume of UTD-32 is 26.5l? And what is the difficulty at the present level of removing 30.7 l / s from a liter of volume from this engine? For example, in a modern YaMZ-536 diesel engine, 7l / s was removed from 450 liters, and this is 64l / s from a liter of volume ... So there is nothing beyond natural in this achievement ..
          pc: As for me, it would be possible to put two in-line YaMZ-536 sixes of 450 l / s each on the back side, synchronizing with a torque converter will give a plus in ease of control, this unit can be borrowed from Belarusians with the MZKT. The dimensions of these engines make it possible to arrange between them a passage of about 1 meter, which is enough for an amphibious assault .. this spark can later be applied to the Kurgan and boomerang using the same principle, 900l / s is enough for these platforms for the eyes, and the presence of 2 motors it will give the necessary survivability, one engine will be removed or out of order it will completely take out the second one .. The civilian engine is a large series, therefore the price is moderate, and the consumption for two engines with a total volume of 14 liters should be less than that of the monster of the 70th UTD-32 in 26.5l, the resource is also not comparable ..
          RS: In dreams, it is seen that each engine is aggregated through a flywheel variator with a generator. and those through the switch supply current to the wheel motor and other consumers .. But this is a matter of the distant future, although ALL technologies allow this today, the question is apparently in money and inertness of thinking ..
          1. marshes
            marshes 11 September 2015 15: 42 New
            -1
            Just want to ask not so much for the BMP-3D two engines?
            Just about the info-0 engine.
            At the expense of pulling out power, I judge by auto. I bought something, private, boring, unscrewing, grinding ... CNC, CHINA, Expensive. smile
            On the other hand, if the state. repair order ...
            And so there is HOVO, 40-80 tons. Kamazs-20 tons ... So little things.
      2. andrei.yandex
        andrei.yandex 11 September 2015 19: 17 New
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        Actually 15 + excluding turrets with weapons = total mass?
  3. GOgaRu
    GOgaRu 11 September 2015 08: 55 New
    -8
    Why crew 3 people? Could the commander boldly cross out.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 11 September 2015 09: 14 New
      +1
      And who will command? The commander and the commander is that he is senior in rank and makes decisions.
      1. GOgaRu
        GOgaRu 11 September 2015 12: 01 New
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        And who will command? The commander and the commander is that he is senior in rank and makes decisions.

        The crew commander may well be a gunner-operator. Each vehicle has its own motorized rifle division. When a combat unit is assembled: crew + landing, the general leadership is carried out by the motorized rifle division commander. The crew commander is clearly an excess position, it’s more logical to introduce another paratrooper instead.
        1. ermolai
          ermolai 11 September 2015 16: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: GOgaRu
          The crew commander is clearly a redundant post,

          I don’t think so, the operator works for specific goals, the commander identifies the others, sorts them according to the degree of danger, and then in a situation where one 300th, two will always be able to evacuate him. when one crew member is knocked out, the third one will be able to replace him, and continue to carry out the task, but with a two-carriage it won’t work out like that
          1. GOgaRu
            GOgaRu 11 September 2015 17: 47 New
            -8
            In Word of tanks, one person per mechanic, operator, and commander. And nothing cope. And as for the 300th: they are sitting shoulder to shoulder there, and if they hit it, the crew most likely will not be able to get out on their own.
            1. grigoriy
              grigoriy 11 September 2015 18: 51 New
              +2
              baby how old are you ?? in battle conditions, when one pair of eyes is “reduced” in terms of Waldofak terms, the other should look at the situation to receive orders from the link / unit commander, and give orders to the crew. besides, if you recall the experience of the beginning of World War II, for example, the French B2 tanks, for example, were better protected by the German ones, but the tank commander who was assigned the duties of a gunner and loader just didn’t have time to either look for targets or directly command the tank ..
              1. Sukhoi
                Sukhoi 11 September 2015 19: 01 New
                +2
                In Word of tanks, one person per mechanic, operator, and commander. And nothing cope.

                The most epic phrase. Catch an honestly earned minus.

                Quote: ermolai
                Quote: GOgaRu
                The crew commander is clearly a redundant post,

                I don’t think so, the operator works for specific goals, the commander identifies the others, sorts them according to the degree of danger, and then in a situation where one 300th, two will always be able to evacuate him. when one crew member is knocked out, the third one will be able to replace him, and continue to carry out the task, but with a two-carriage it won’t work out like that


                In principle, everything is true, but provided that the commander has his own panoramic sighting system. And even better combined with PKMT in the form of a turret a la T-90MS or T-14.
                1. GOgaRu
                  GOgaRu 11 September 2015 22: 21 New
                  -3
                  The most epic phrase. Catch an honestly earned minus.

                  This is a minus you can put the operator of the American shock drone. I hope the idea is clear?
                  1. Sukhoi
                    Sukhoi 13 September 2015 02: 26 New
                    +3
                    This is a minus you can put the operator of the American shock drone. I hope the idea is clear?

                    The operator does not need to monitor the situation at 360 degrees, the operator controls an expensive toy flying in the air. He doesn’t have grenade launchers in bushes or windows, he has no trenches, trenches, ruins of houses and other rubbish on his way, he doesn’t need to maneuver, fire and search for potential tank-dangerous targets. The operator sits in a chair in front of the computer and is not responsible for the life of the crew and landing.
                    I hope the idea is clear, wise guy?
                    1. GOgaRu
                      GOgaRu 13 September 2015 08: 54 New
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                      Quote: Sukhoi
                      This is a minus you can put the operator of the American shock drone. I hope the idea is clear?

                      The operator does not need to monitor the situation at 360 degrees, the operator controls an expensive toy flying in the air. He doesn’t have grenade launchers in bushes or windows, he has no trenches, trenches, ruins of houses and other rubbish on his way, he doesn’t need to maneuver, fire and search for potential tank-dangerous targets. The operator sits in a chair in front of the computer and is not responsible for the life of the crew and landing.
                      I hope the idea is clear, wise guy?

                      In the city, on the BMP, with the landing inside? I wish you good luck. You’ll go around looking for tank-dangerous targets, even with four eyes. Because for aluminum armor almost any target is tank-dangerous. And about the forest, field, etc., this is not a breakthrough vehicle, but an infantry support vehicle.
                      Finally, this situation: two grenade launchers, one spotted operator, the second commander. What to do?
                      1. Sukhoi
                        Sukhoi 13 September 2015 12: 04 New
                        +1
                        In the city, on the BMP, with the landing inside? I wish you good luck. You’ll go around looking for tank-dangerous targets, even with four eyes. Because for aluminum armor almost any target is tank-dangerous. And about the forest, field, etc., this is not a breakthrough vehicle, but an infantry support vehicle.
                        Finally, this situation: two grenade launchers, one spotted operator, the second commander. What to do?

                        It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines. For that matter, the BMPs act in the same order as the tanks. And in the city they howl, and provide support to the infantry, and the rivers are forced to occupy the bridgehead. Do not confuse with an armored personnel carrier - this is in theory a clean transporter.
                        As for the proposed situation, here the commander of the machine appears in all its glory. It determines the priority target for the gunner, gives the command to the mechanic commander about the maneuver to leave the second grenade thrower from the line of fire. If you have your own means of firing - destroys the target. His task is to control the situation and manage the crew. Plus extra hands in case of emergency.
                        If you want with the example of computer games, you will most likely get a distant understanding with the example of Armagh. But this is just a game, they don’t kill there.
              2. GOgaRu
                GOgaRu 11 September 2015 22: 18 New
                -6
                Old man, do you know that the 1st century is in the yard. It’s good that you still didn’t remember the 4st World War. Why did they push so many sensors, cameras and touch panels there? This machine, I hope, is the machine of the future, not the past, that's you need to look at the prospect. And about the tanks ... Your brain probably explodes when you think that, for example, there are XNUMX crew members in Abrams, and we have three. SO SAME ?!
                1. grigoriy
                  grigoriy 13 September 2015 13: 46 New
                  +2
                  "learn materiel" .. as one of the heroes of one famous film would say ..
            2. leyurtim
              leyurtim 12 September 2015 08: 27 New
              +2
              In-in, let's continue to think that war and play are one and the same. What a paintball, the storming of Grozny, what a reflection of the dushman’s attack on the Moscow border post in Tajikistan - one crap, cool, and nothing more! Cool to fight while sitting at the computer! Even the pilots say that when they strike on the ground, they see one thing, and when they happen to visit the place of their work right away, they experience emotional shock! And so, why the company commander, let one of the machine gunners command it! And others command platoons and squads. And the grenade launchers then, let them replace the medical instructors and ammunition carriers, but instead of the signalmen, let them run around the battlefield and look for breakages in communication. Cool will be war!
              1. GOgaRu
                GOgaRu 12 September 2015 09: 54 New
                -5
                Yes, you are a noble demagogue. The conversation is about reducing the post of commander in the new BMP and replacing it with a motorized infantry. And then you sculpt your snot and drool. Do not confuse red with sour. If you are not in the know, the military plans to robotize the car with the transfer of control functions to one operator. Do you hear Carl ?! One operator.
              2. aws4
                aws4 13 September 2015 04: 55 New
                +3
                I am surprised not by the nonsense that he writes but the fact that he got so few minuses .... in theory, he should have set a record))))))))))))))))))
                1. GOgaRu
                  GOgaRu 13 September 2015 07: 16 New
                  -2
                  You do not pop an hour? fool fool fool
  4. avt
    avt 11 September 2015 09: 40 New
    +1
    Yesterday, we briefly discussed it - it has the right to life as an export option, it is desirable to supply the army with a serious delay with Kurganets and at an uncritical cost of time and money when setting up the series. But the time factor increases due to mandatory tests. treshka "c ,, Bakhchei" is needed as air in the troops against the backdrop of "twos" and even even running, "cents".
    1. insafufa
      insafufa 11 September 2015 11: 06 New
      +2
      For a long time it was possible to replace running copecks with deuces in reserve, there are more of them than existing copecks
  5. 1234567890
    1234567890 11 September 2015 09: 53 New
    +1
    Why not name the BMP-4?
  6. snc
    snc 11 September 2015 12: 01 New
    +2
    To quickly equip your army, it is better to order the classic triples in the maximum configuration: thermal imager, ballistic computer, cactus, arena. And already in service to bring to this level. Ideally, screw a remote detonation for the 2A70. And for the future to finish Kurganets.
  7. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 11 September 2015 12: 37 New
    +2
    The coming years of Kurganets’s appearance are not expected, and when it becomes mass in the army it’s generally unknown but not earlier than in 5-7 years. The old BMPs 1 and 2 are hopelessly outdated and here they’re deeply modernized with the main disadvantage of the rear-wheel drive plus the increased crew protection and interesting promising combat module (all the same, 100mm for a BMP is a bit much and not enough for a tank smile ) so 37-57mm just right, of course, a couple of ATGMs for protection against tanks. Thus, there are no options left, forward to the conveyor! Well, do not stay the same for 10 years armed with 1i2BMP, this is not serious.
  8. marshes
    marshes 11 September 2015 12: 39 New
    +3
    As I understand it, the samples are index D, dragoons, derivation- "We have no money" -want to participate, order.
    According to Dragoon, in principle, it is interesting. It can be and easier to do with 30 coys, the same 2k but with good protection. It will be interesting.
    And then Armata, Kurganets, Boomerang, when will it be?, Parade- PR course, BMP-3- not everyone has water barriers, or even neighbors bought, Azerbaijan? And they basically exploit 1,2, even install “distortions” "Cornflower" as a standard weapon.
    1. avt
      avt 11 September 2015 17: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: marshes
      , BMP-3- not everyone has water barriers

      Actually, the main thing is caterpillars, I think you have a lot of places where caterpillars are preferable to wheels.
      Quote: marshes
      According to Dragoon, in principle, it is interesting. It is possible and easier to do with 30 coys, the same 2k but with good protection.

      What for ? Well then, Berezhok "put on a deuce - a completely normal modernization will be. And ,, Triplet" then why neutered? Moreover, the module was modernized.
      Quote: marshes
      And then Armata, Kurganets, Boomerang, when will it be?

      Certainly not soon, the trials have not yet been fully tested, and the Kurgan’s are going to be turned over at all - it has already slipped into the media.
      1. marshes
        marshes 11 September 2015 18: 25 New
        -1
        And what at the request of customers, these machines appeared, you can tell the people of the tale that this is their own invention, in fact, "the request of customers."
        Am I losing weight, is it not so that your people have become so stellar in a short time?
        PS, seriously, maybe it’s time for others to reunite with others? smile
  9. Sukhoi
    Sukhoi 11 September 2015 13: 43 New
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    In the last picture, the BM 125 has a rear engine. Wai
  10. psiho117
    psiho117 11 September 2015 17: 44 New
    +2
    on the last poster, she smiled at a range of 8 km from helicopters and especially drones. what
    And what will it be to detect and accompany at such a range? with binoculars?
    Here, at a specialized "Shell" with all its radars and at a minimum distance - and then the plug went out, I had to bring down the UAV with missiles, and then the BMP could suddenly ...

    Oh, these storytellers ...
  11. Olezhek
    Olezhek 11 September 2015 20: 08 New
    +1
    At the Russia Arms Expo 2015 exhibition now taking place in Nizhny Tagil

    By the way, yes - notes from the "exhibition".
    Toko returned from there.
    From the positive, I saw Armata and two cars on its base.
    BMP and SAU.
    Go down a double fence and security!
    Of the minuses.
    The exhibition is essentially designed for specialists.
    The reason is simple - the complete absence of open parking.
    FULL !!!!!
    Yes, there is a parking lot digging a hundred in the direction of travel to the landfill. But 1 is tears for a major exhibition.
    2 They are not allowed in it either. 3 From it to the exhibition kilometer 4-5 ... belay
    And there is a large and good parking with special passes.
    Next to the exhibition

    What do people do ???? you ask - people survive as they can.
    They throw cars on the side of the road in front of the first gate.
    Traffic cops run and they are fined ... Lyapota !!!
    Drive cars deep in the FOREST !!!
    (Then the hacking slips crawling out of the thicket)
    By the way, thanks to the HONEST GAI officer who did NOT penalize me for broaching under the sign "stop prohibited" car ... There are honest and decent people in the traffic police !!!!!!!!!
    If someone does not understand the exhibition IN THE FOREST and no “shuttles” go there !!!
    Nizhny Tagil factory workers stupidly GO ON FOOT ... Fun - a crowd with jokes and songs ...
    In short - an ambush of all ambushes ..
    1. common man
      common man 11 September 2015 22: 51 New
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      Quote: Olezhek
      If someone does not understand the exhibition IN THE FOREST and no “shuttles” go there !!!

      Why lie? Free parking at the shopping center tape. Buses from Tape to the exhibition, in principle often.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 12 September 2015 09: 11 New
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        There is no need to lie.
        Once again - notes from the exhibition.
        Arrived there (for the exhibition) around 14 30.
        It was not the show that was interested in the stands.
        I feel that you are a tagilchanin, and you all know everything.
        I am not a tagilchanin and the exhibition is like a baie not only for tagilchan.
        What is a shopping center Ribbon, I do not know and do not know.
        I never saw any shuttles (in action)
        Yes, in a closed parking lot of buses stood.
        When I went to 17 50 most of them left (apparently ORGANIZED GROUPS)
        Even on the way to the exhibition I remember a mini parking (a poster "for guests of the exhibition" !!!) and a good traffic cop who popped me out.
        GAI officers yes - hundred.
        Stood in each 50 meters.
        PARKING NO.
        The exhibition in the forest is true.
        If you like long walks in the autumn rain - then you should go there!
        And a massive fine marathon for guests of the exhibition ..
        Such is the "tagil hospitality"
        Something will be on the Sabbath when on a day off the people will trample upon the masses ..
        I took a ticket on Friday to Friday.
        Saturday was not.
        There are no parking tickets ... no bloat ..
    2. Olezhek
      Olezhek 12 September 2015 09: 35 New
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      If that shuttle, he is on the shuttle and to ply CONSTANTLY.
      They were not.
      Autumn, pine forest, rain drizzles ..
      And a long long road ...
      In the city of n Tagil yes - there is no parking there - but then you will need a taxi.
      Which is not allowed to the exhibition itself. (external gates - further bidlo goes on foot) Let a mile and a half but on foot.
      But you decided to leave the exhibition by taxi
      Funny - in front of the external gate. STOP IS FORBIDDEN AT ALL.
      Where will the taxi be waiting for you ????
      Why do you have to pay for it ????
      Eight years ago (the exhibition was then called differently)
      We drove to the exhibition on a microbass without any passes and looked at it.
      So from that time on, she didn’t become bigger and more representative. request
  12. tchoni
    tchoni 11 September 2015 20: 22 New
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    The concept of a single light chassis should justify itself. I think there will be a worthy alternative to the "Kurgan".
  13. tchoni
    tchoni 11 September 2015 20: 24 New
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    And by the way, it seems to me, or did you use a new solution for placing BC for pairing 100 ki and 30 ki? in the commander and gunner’s drawer dividing?
  14. gallville
    gallville 13 September 2015 02: 11 New
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    Interestingly, but the "centering" of the car did not suffer?
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  16. Photon
    Photon 26 October 2018 23: 59 New
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    In the stories about tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, I am surprised at the complete lack of mention of combat control systems. I was a gunner in the late 70s. And what, nothing has changed since then?