BMP "Dragoon" on RAE-2015

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In Nizhny Tagil, at the RAE-2015 exhibition, the BMP-3M “Dragoon” is presented with an engine over 800 hp. and unmanned combat module, reports Messenger of Mordovia.

BMP "Dragoon" on RAE-2015






Compared with the basic version, the BMP-3M completely redesigned the troop compartment: “it has comfortable ergonomic chairs, and the floor, apparently, has a special anti-explosion coating,” the publication notes.

Existing seat belts should be useful to the personnel, because the machine thanks to the 816-strong turbo diesel engine has outstanding power and mobility.



“The crew of the car is located in the front. The commander and operator’s gunner are at the disposal of standardized automated guidance panels and panel computers, ”Vestnik writes.

The fuel tanks designed by the Steel Research Institute, with a self-covering coating, are located at the stern.





The combat module, isolated from the crew and the assault forces, is larger than the standard BMP-3, “since the 100-mm cannon with the ammunition load is located there, as well as the PKTM X-gun and the PCTM machine gun, of course,” - notes the publication.



According to experts, "Dragoon" can be regarded as a new generation in the family of BMP-3. Fighting vehicles, no doubt, will interest those foreigners who already have experience in operating Russian technology, as well as those who have yet to make their choice.
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  1. +25
    10 September 2015 17: 23
    Here he is, a worthy successor to the 2 BMP tribe. Great car judging by the declared characteristics. They returned the engine forward and rear full-fledged hatches. Conveniently.
    1. +3
      10 September 2015 17: 46
      Quote: RuslanNN
      Here he is, a worthy successor to the 2 BMP tribe. Great car judging by the declared characteristics. They returned the engine forward and rear full-fledged hatches. Conveniently.

      Only the lazy did not break in the bmp 1-2 for extra. tanks in the back doors, and here even kosher - they were completely taken out of the case. How will it drag out after getting from an RPG for example?
      1. +21
        10 September 2015 18: 21
        Quote: lelikas
        How will it drag on after getting from an RPG, for example

        After the RPG, it’s too late to drag out. Yes
        1. -2
          10 September 2015 18: 32
          Quote: Vladimirets
          After the RPG, it’s too late to drag out. yes

          So what am I talking about - even if they just "dry up" - the car will lose its vaunted mobility ...
        2. +1
          10 September 2015 23: 24
          Survivors nervously drag out a cigarette ... if there are any ...
        3. 0
          12 September 2015 09: 42
          An interesting question is how will it drag out? This is my friend’s war, however.
      2. +19
        10 September 2015 18: 35
        If this car has standard armor, then there is no difference where the tanks are located.
        1. -5
          10 September 2015 18: 46
          Quote: kenig1
          If this car has standard armor, then there is no difference where the tanks are located.

          Yeah, the next one will have a trailer with a tank.
        2. 0
          12 September 2015 09: 46
          you are half right, nevertheless, if the tank is at the stern, then the "candle" may bypass the crew .. (I do not approve)
          Although it occurs mainly during the demolition of ammunition
      3. +11
        10 September 2015 18: 57
        Quote: lelikas
        Only the lazy did not break in the bmp 1-2 for extra. tanks in the back doors, and here even kosher - they were completely taken out of the case. How will it drag out after getting from an RPG for example?

        The liquid resists the cumulative jet very well.
        1. -1
          10 September 2015 20: 17
          Quote: professor
          The fluid resists the cumulative flow very well

          And fuel from high temperature just becomes solid! :)
          1. +28
            10 September 2015 20: 24
            Quote: lelikas
            And fuel from high temperature just becomes solid! :)

            I consider the placement of fuel tanks with SOLYARA along the perimeter of the car to be competent. Academician Lavrentiev created a theoretical justification for the formation and distribution of a cumulative jet (including in a liquid), and the engineers on both sides of the Iron Curtain practically confirmed his calculations.

            PS
            Diesel fuel is not a very explosive liquid.
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            2. -2
              10 September 2015 23: 45
              Everything is so, only if the tanks are filled to capacity. A well-known fact. Therefore, the Soviet tankers (WWII) tried to go into battle with the tanks fully filled. If there was enough empty space in the tank ... There is a mass of T-34 photo destroyed by the explosion of fuel vapor . Settled case, sheets of side armor torn out by explosion, etc.
              1. +2
                11 September 2015 02: 23
                Quote: kot stepan
                Everything is so, only if the tanks are filled to capacity. A well-known fact. Therefore, the Soviet tankers (WWII) tried to go into battle with the tanks fully filled. If there was enough empty space in the tank ... There is a mass of T-34 photo destroyed by the explosion of fuel vapor .

                t 34 on a solarium drove laughing
                1. +5
                  11 September 2015 11: 25
                  If someone does not understand, I am writing about this! It is enough to ask about the statistics of losses. For the T-34, the destruction of the car together with the crew as a result of the explosion of the onboard fuel tanks is the most typical picture. Here is the solarium!
                  Although, of course, the so-called. The flash point of diesel fuel is much higher than that of gasoline. But, theory and practice are somewhat different.
                  For what reasons did the Germans ignore the creation of a tank diesel? Wasn’t it smart? And aviation diesels on the Yu-86, for example? And trucks?
                  A diesel in production costs significantly more than a carburetor (at that time it was so for the Germans), given the short life of the tank in battle, the savings in fuel are no longer so obvious. In addition, the Germans on the Tiger, for example, had a good automatic fire extinguishing system (moreover reusable). And again, refer to the statistics. How many times the German car was restored and ours. What is the nature of the losses, how much and why. I think you will be somewhat surprised when you find out how many of our diesel vehicles have died as a result of fuel tank explosions and fires.
                  1. +2
                    12 September 2015 09: 04
                    Your truth, I agree with the same opinion
          2. +6
            10 September 2015 22: 18
            VNIIS steel scientists know that:
            - cumulative jet temperature ~ 250С
            - cumulative jet velocity ~ 8000m / s
            in these milliseconds and at that temperature, the diesel fuel WILL NOT IGNITE
            1. +3
              11 September 2015 00: 05
              There is still a trick about a bucket with a torch. Yes
            2. +2
              11 September 2015 11: 57
              Not so simple. This process is still not fully understood.
              The temperature of the jet at the copper lining of the funnel is slightly higher - about 600 C.
              But, not about this, in general, the speech. The penetration of armor occurs due to enormous pressure (on a very small area, determined by the diameter of the jet). At the same time, the armor metal at the point of penetration acquires a high temperature (sufficient to ignite the vapors of any fuel), in addition, there are other explosion products besides the jet itself (which is also not homogeneous and its various parts have different speeds and temperatures).
              And yet. Armor-piercing subcaliber, caliber, their various forms. All of them, when breaking through the armor, cause an instant increase in temperature at the penetration site. Those. the transition from one form of energy to another is a classic case. Therefore, many WWII photo documents have been preserved, where the T-34 after getting the blanks (and breaking through) into the board is a sad sight: a turned board, sheets of side armor torn off at the seams. A completely destroyed machine. The result of breaking through the side tanks and blowing up the solarium vapor in the side fuel tanks.
              1. 0
                11 September 2015 16: 06
                Quote: kot stepan
                The result of breaking through the onboard tanks and blowing up the solarium vapor in the onboard fuel tanks.

                In general, the summary is: we must translate our armored vehicles to electric traction! And place lithium batteries in the combat module! Instead of ammunition ...
                wassat
                1. 0
                  12 September 2015 06: 26
                  I like this. and also that the tank soared a meter above the ground and shot with plasma. but this is the concern of future generations.
              2. +8
                11 September 2015 21: 17
                "The penetration of the armor occurs due to the enormous pressure ... the metal of the armor at the point of penetration acquires a high temperature." stop Actually a slightly different process ... Analyze for yourself why "soft" copper penetrates "high-hardness" steel request

                Soviet scientist became an academician after discovery = Shell and Armor interact like liquids! A liquid with a higher density pushes a liquid with a lower density. When calculating the armor / projectile, hydrodynamic formulas are used.
                - copper has a density greater than steel and therefore the cumulative stream is made from a copper funnel
                - the Americans make uranium armor, because the density of uranium is several times higher than steel, and therefore all steel shells will "spread" over the armor
                - Americans make uranium-core shells to guarantee the penetration of any steel armor

                what people see on the armor after being hit by a cumulative projectile and mistaken for the result of molten metal are actually splashes and waves of "liquid" as a result of displacement of volume by another body. hi
                1. 0
                  12 September 2015 10: 13
                  Do I really contradict this?
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            3. +1
              13 September 2015 15: 40
              At this speed, the temperature of the jet is a relative concept. When braking from 8 km per second. the temperature of the metal particles of the jet will easily increase by an order of magnitude. The kinetic energy will turn into heat.
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          4. +4
            10 September 2015 23: 22
            Quote: lelikas
            And fuel from high temperature just becomes solid! :)

            When in a technical hut in the winter, in the parking lot, you wait for your plane from flights, there is nothing to warm up with except for kerosene fused with sludge. Well, there is practically no water, so the "experiment" was always clean ..
            So, sometimes a couple of newspapers had to be lime before kerosene in a bowl began to barely make a fire! After all, it’s known that it’s not the fuel itself that burns, but a mixture of its vapor with air!
            About cigarette butts falling in a barrel with a tanning bed, I generally am silent - Trivia. hi
        2. 0
          12 September 2015 09: 53
          I'll argue with you, any liquid depends on the volume and pressure. water yes .. fuel no. Why guess for yourself.
      4. +3
        11 September 2015 06: 16
        a question from the series, "What will happen to the fuel tanks after a 125 mm HE ammunition hits?" or "what will happen to the rear lights when a KAMAZ flies into a standing car at full speed?"
      5. 0
        13 September 2015 13: 22
        At the stern, additional tanks go into battle with empty tanks. This is about bmp 1,2. I think the same for the BMP 3m. For 1,5 years of service fur-water. BMP 1,2 aft tanks did not refuel even once. There is a main fuel tank, in the landing compartment 462 liters.
    2. +4
      10 September 2015 17: 48
      Quote: RuslanNN
      and the back has full hatches. Conveniently.

      And in my opinion, in comparison with the BMP-1/2, there is no difference in the speed of leaving the car, here they sit facing each other - there will be one exit, but there it is just cramped, but the exit is twos. Moreover, the "three", although the exit through the engine, but the hatches also open upwards - it will turn out even faster to dump.

      12 seconds - at C grade wink
      1. +3
        10 September 2015 21: 54
        Quote: GRAY
        Quote: RuslanNN
        and the back has full hatches. Conveniently.

        And in my opinion, in comparison with the BMP-1/2, there is no difference in the speed of leaving the car, here they are sitting facing each other - there will be one way out, wink

        Yeah, sideways, side by side, one at a time, ugh, got out ... Yes, on your BMP-1/2 on all fours, just not to break your arms and legs before the fight. And from "three" in such a gate will get enough sleep in two seconds.
    3. +43
      10 September 2015 18: 15
      The designers definitely pleased !!! good
      Want a crewless combat module?
      -You are welcome! fellow
      Do you want the main and auxiliary gun 100 / 30mm as on the BMP-3?
      -You are welcome! fellow
      Want a 57mm main gun?
      -You are welcome! fellow
      Do you want a stern exit as in the "bury" military equipment?
      -You are welcome! fellow
      Want ergonomic landing seats?
      -You are welcome!
      In my opinion, they completed all Wishlist Internet experts.
      I don’t even know to invent yet? what
      1. +29
        10 September 2015 18: 21
        Ask for a photon engine, an electromagnetic gun, a cold plasma generator, a color that mimics the surrounding area, and also a car park (so that the mechanic does not suffer, driving the car into the box in reverse). I think that's it! laughing drinks hi
        1. +16
          10 September 2015 18: 52
          Quote: Alexander72
          I think that's it!

          Yes, right now! What about a coffee machine? And a titanium tank under anobtanium? And the rear wing? What about a street racing sticker?
          1. +7
            10 September 2015 19: 39
            Quote: Vladimirets
            What about a street racing sticker?


            It is impossible - unmasks. laughing
          2. +5
            10 September 2015 19: 45
            Quote: Vladimirets
            What about a street racing sticker?

            what Damn, Vladimir is right: you definitely won’t go without it .. laughing
          3. +6
            10 September 2015 20: 21
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Yes, right now! What about a coffee machine? And a titanium tank under anobtanium? And the rear wing? What about a street racing sticker?

            Sockets for charging mobile phones. Restroom. Sleeping area.
            1. +3
              10 September 2015 22: 21
              Sockets for charging mobile phones. Restroom. Sleeping area.
              And ba ... that is, women have forgotten
            2. +3
              10 September 2015 23: 12
              it is already implemented in Kurgan ..
            3. snc
              +1
              12 September 2015 08: 07
              There is a toilet in Kurgan))
        2. +5
          10 September 2015 21: 13
          Quote: Alexander72
          Ask for a photon engine, an electromagnetic gun, a cold plasma generator, a color that mimics the surrounding area, and also a car park (so that the mechanic does not suffer, driving the car into the box in reverse). I think that's it! laughing drinks hi

          Again, air conditioning about * b * li! wassat laughing
        3. +2
          10 September 2015 22: 56
          Condition forgot ...
          Yes, and anti-theft.
      2. -3
        10 September 2015 18: 30
        Quote: prosto_rgb
        Do you want the main and auxiliary gun 100 / 30mm as on the BMP-3?
        -You are welcome! fellow

        I'm more interested in how they tricked physics? How is Karl! ??? How did you shove it into a fairly compact turret, a bk for two guns? , okay, the tape for the "little thing" was put on the floor - but a 100 mm unitary is not a pound of raisins! And also gun aiming mechanisms. Seems to me, gentlemen, someone is fooling us a little.
        1. +2
          10 September 2015 18: 44
          I'm more interested in how they tricked physics? How is Karl! ??? How did you shove it into a fairly compact turret, a bk for two guns? , okay, the tape for the "little thing" was put on the floor - but a 100 mm unitary is not a pound of raisins! And also gun aiming mechanisms. Seems to me, gentlemen, someone is fooling us a little.


          It seems to me that the BC was in the case, it’s just that the gunner is not sitting in it now. Though....
          The roof of the airborne compartment is now continuous, without a reclining part - you can push the AZ and ammunition into the aft niche and abandon the carousel type.
          1. +1
            10 September 2015 18: 49
            Quote: Sukhoi
            It seems to me that the BC was in the case, it’s just that the gunner is not sitting in it now.

            In the past discussion, they thought so too - but the photo clearly shows the "through" salon and the enclosed hatch to the tower, at first I thought there was a carousel behind it - but it's just a hatch.
            1. +2
              10 September 2015 23: 27
              For the blind, I give links to photos http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/148/ishk420.jpg on the left is an insulated AZ with all the shells, on the right there is a passage to the driver’s drive. First, the gun there is low-pulse ...
              Secondly, the tower was made higher and the gun was raised higher
              Thirdly, they set up a more advanced system for extinguishing returns
              profit ...
              1. 0
                11 September 2015 16: 51
                Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                For the blind, I give links to photos http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/148/ishk420.jpg on the left is an insulated AZ with all the shells, on the right there is a passage to the driver’s drive. First, the gun there is low-pulse ...
                Secondly, the tower was made higher and the gun was raised higher
                Thirdly, they set up a more advanced system for extinguishing returns
                profit ...

                Let's use the arrows, for the blind - I rubbed this picture to the holes - and there is nothing but a passage there.
      3. +1
        10 September 2015 20: 33
        Quote: prosto_rgb
        I don’t even know to invent yet?

        Not a ride in the army - no toilet.
      4. +1
        10 September 2015 21: 03
        I don’t even know to invent yet?

        There is no body kit. Then you have to cook the grilles in the field. It's not a BMD damn it.
      5. +2
        10 September 2015 22: 00
        Quote: prosto_rgb

        I don’t even know to invent yet? what

        Force field so that enemy shells and ATGMs bounce off ...
      6. +6
        10 September 2015 22: 38
        Quote: prosto_rgb
        I don’t even know to invent yet?

        -Mini bar with cola
        -Wi-Fi
        -Massage chairs
        -Mine mine protection
        -Sanruf
        1. +3
          10 September 2015 22: 59
          Stewardess ...
    4. +1
      10 September 2015 18: 25
      Quote: RuslanNN
      Here he is, a worthy successor to the 2 BMP tribe. Great car judging by the declared characteristics. They returned the engine forward and rear full-fledged hatches. Conveniently.

      Here's another interesting thing - even though with an increase in the size of the module, they were able to push the ammunition into it, moreover, to both 100mm and 30mm guns.
      1. 0
        10 September 2015 18: 39
        Quote: Albert1988
        Here's another interesting thing - even though with an increase in the size of the module, they were able to push the ammunition into it, moreover, to both 100mm and 30mm guns.

        Question - Could LEE - for no one even saw an approximate layout scheme, in contrast to the over secret boomer with Kurgan.
        1. 0
          10 September 2015 19: 05
          Quote: lelikas
          Question - Could LEE

          that is, you seriously assume that there is no BC? Question then where is he?
          1. +2
            10 September 2015 19: 52
            Quote: Albert1988
            Quote: lelikas
            Question - Could LEE

            that is, you seriously assume that there is no BC? Question then where is he?


            Yes, he is not at all and the cardboard gun. wassat
            1. +2
              10 September 2015 19: 56
              Quote: skeptic
              Yes, he is not at all and the cardboard gun.

              Just about, it remains to wait for the "cardboard" shots with "cardboard" shells and the penetration of the "cardboard" targets into the bull's-eye, as with rebar laughing
              1. +1
                10 September 2015 20: 10
                Quote: Albert1988
                Just about, it remains to wait for the "cardboard" shots with "cardboard" shells and the penetration of the "cardboard" targets into the bull's-eye, as with rebar

                Simple enough scheme. If there is at least one idea, as everything that was described above is posted there, I will listen to it with pleasure.
          2. +1
            10 September 2015 20: 13
            Quote: Albert1988
            that is, you seriously assume that there is no BC? Question then where is he?
            Just in case, suddenly who does not remember the size of the shells - have any ideas where they are? I don’t, although I am distinguished by a certain inquiring mind.
            1. +5
              10 September 2015 22: 09
              in your photo there is a man-made tower on - a man and a carousel most likely there is a horizontal conveyor machine like on a fifty-seventh mm cannon which can also be placed on a dragoon; as a result, we have a conveyor under the thirty gun belt laying is compact and there aren’t a lot of space for about twenty twenty shells to a hundredth somewhere the photo came across with an experimental uninhabited tower under the fifty-seventh caliber for a promising bmp and an armored personnel carrier the campaign was brought to mind
    5. -1
      10 September 2015 18: 36
      The fuel tanks developed by NIIstal, with a self-tightening coating, are located at the stern.


      As far as I know, the Ka-50 Black Shark is the same. That is, ours back in the 90s had those technologies that Americans are yelling loudly about now.
      Self-tightening armor (well, or coating) is cool.
      1. +6
        10 September 2015 20: 50
        Self-tightening fuel tanks were used on British and American aircraft during World War II. Maybe in the Soviet ones, as well as the S-47, which was produced under the name Li-2 in the USSR, already had such tanks. Yes, and Bell P-39 Airacobra (D series), also equipped with such tanks, etc. etc.
        Mr. Dmitry Toderese.
        I’m even somehow uncomfortable reading your comment:
        “As far as I know, the Black Shark is the same on the Ka-50. That is, ours back in the 90s had the technologies that the Americans are loudly yelling about now.
        Self-tightening armor (or cover) is cool. "
        And what do the stars give you?
        1. +3
          10 September 2015 22: 21
          Have you heard about IL-2?
  2. +1
    10 September 2015 17: 24
    Type of export option?
    1. +4
      10 September 2015 17: 29
      Quote: biolant
      Type of export option?

      Unfortunately, yes. But the issue is being resolved. It is possible that it will be solved positively and then a series of different BMs based on it, from ARVs to self-propelled guns and ZSU, and PTSAU will go to the troops ...
      In any case, this is so far the most thoughtful and well-developed modification of the BMP3 in terms of the protection of the crew and the landing force, and the powerful engine makes it also very maneuverable. Before the appearance of "Kurganets", it would have to be supplied to the troops.
      1. avt
        +3
        10 September 2015 18: 03
        Quote: svp67
        Unfortunately, yes. But the issue is being resolved.

        Well, if only with "Kurganets" there will be insoluble problems, and so they will most likely drive into the troops something with = that is mass-produced, but of course I would like ours to get it too.
        Quote: svp67
        Before the appearance of "Kurganets", it would have to be supplied to the troops.

        They didn’t have to stop the treshka, and those governors who did the trick-suck, give away their cap and pensions! am
        1. +2
          10 September 2015 18: 40
          Quote: avt
          They didn’t have to stop the treshka, and those governors who did the trick-suck, give away their cap and pensions!

          So, "Dragoon", the same "treshka", only turned upside down on the front and now it, well, very much resembles a "mini-Kurganets" ...
          1. avt
            +1
            10 September 2015 20: 23
            Quote: svp67
            So, "Dragoon", the same "treshka"

            request That, but not that. That's what you need to put a new version on the conveyor and how much it will cost and take until a rhythmic release appears ??? I don't know, that's why I believe that if it's far from Kurganets, it makes sense, but if not - that would be quite suitable for hundreds of commercials ..... be modernized equipment classic treshki.
          2. +1
            10 September 2015 22: 10
            the one and the wrong engine costs 800 horses and the 450 treshki feel the difference
            1. +1
              10 September 2015 23: 32
              Quote: avt
              That, but not that.

              Changes in the production process, in principle, are not significant, the main thing is that their production can be established both on the old line and where Kurgantsy will be produced.
              Quote: LPR Insurgent
              the one and the wrong engine costs 800 horses and the 450 treshki feel the difference

              It’s not even a matter of engine power, although this is not unimportant, and by the way, power is indicated on the stand less than in the article
              there armor protection from shells and mines is better and the possibility of landing is much better,
              than the original model, and with a weapon module equipped with a 57mm automatic cannon, it will be "VOSCHE" good
  3. +4
    10 September 2015 17: 24
    Such a machine is needed !!!
  4. 0
    10 September 2015 17: 25
    We’ll go to Kiev on it. And then a tour of Europe. soldier
    1. +2
      10 September 2015 17: 29
      maybe right at washington? fool
  5. +4
    10 September 2015 17: 29
    Somehow, it’s a little annoying to the abundance of various infantry fighting vehicles pretending to be put into serial production: they would arrange at least comparative competitions, or something ...
    Otherwise, it is very difficult to imagine the work of brigade teams in the near rear with entire mobile warehouses of spare parts.
    1. +3
      10 September 2015 17: 41
      So they are all based on BMP-3, different weapons, and only, not counting the layout of the "Dragoons".
      BMP-3M "Dragoon", BMP-3125 "Sprut" with a 125 mm 2A75 gun and BMP-357 "Derivation" with an automatic 57 mm rapid-firing gun AU220M.
      Also at RAE-2015 showed BMP-3 with the system "Vityaz". These combat vehicles are capable of waging network-centric wars and remotely controlled without the participation of the crew.
  6. 0
    10 September 2015 17: 33
    By the way, if the military approves the new layout, then when upgrading serial BMP3s, they will be converted into "Dragoons".
    1. +4
      10 September 2015 17: 50
      Where does this information come from? how do you convert the BMP-3 into this? there you have to digest the body, chassis, but in general everything! it will be cheaper to make a new one. Where did you get this?
      1. 0
        10 September 2015 18: 39
        This was reported by the specialists of the Tractor Plants corporation to the RG correspondent.
        http://www.rg.ru/2015/09/09/traktory-site.html#/10894_9aeb5976/1/
    2. +1
      10 September 2015 17: 51
      Quote: Laksamana Besar
      By the way, if the military approves the new layout, then when upgrading serial BMP3s, they will be converted into "Dragoons".

      What for ? Then it's really better to go to "Derivation" - and there will be more space in the fighting compartment.
    3. 0
      10 September 2015 18: 16
      Quote: Laksamana Besar
      By the way, if the military approves the new layout, then when upgrading serial BMP3s, they will be converted into "Dragoons".

      It will be impractical.
    4. 0
      10 September 2015 22: 14
      it makes no sense for the price will come out like a new dragoon re-arranging the housing is a completely different engine tower and sight
  7. 0
    10 September 2015 17: 33
    but what about the UNIFICATION of combat platforms based on "Armata" and "Kurganets" ???
    or .. again each MTS produces its own tractor ?! belay
    1. +1
      10 September 2015 17: 38
      Tse for export :) Or an option to upgrade the BMP-3 of the RF Armed Forces to the Dragoon option.
    2. +1
      10 September 2015 17: 47
      PQ-18
      but what about the UNIFICATION of combat platforms based on "Armata" and "Kurganets" ???


      The lion is not a comrade to the tiger. This is when it was said about the unification of Almaty and Kurgan? Urals and Kamaz are not unified, but why?
  8. 0
    10 September 2015 17: 37
    Impressed the workplace of the operator and the driver. I hope it will be convenient to use. And the uninhabited tower (combat module) will increase the survivability of the crew. good
  9. +17
    10 September 2015 17: 40
    And I liked Derivation more. 57 mm cannon, good rate of fire, penetration against LMWs, there are no 100mm shells inside the car, and shells with remote detonation (against infantry in shelters and trenches) will come up soon.



    1. +4
      10 September 2015 18: 31
      Still a couple of ATGMs from the sides of the tower, and .... good
      1. +1
        10 September 2015 18: 41
        Exactly, I forgot to write about the shortcomings. You can also use the Cactus DZ and hang the grates.
    2. +1
      10 September 2015 19: 47
      Also liked the machine! however, I get along I feel that even a first-stage BC (they declare 80 sl.) and even with AZ do not physically push it into such a turret. MOCKET with a margin from reality?
      1. 0
        10 September 2015 21: 14
        It looks like it is an old Soviet anti-aircraft gun (barrel). Did you get it from the warehouses? The photo does not show the automatic programming system for the fragmentation projectile fuse "(against infantry in shelters and trenches)." and against aircraft (the possibility of hitting a helicopter with a direct projectile shot without shrapnel or shrapnel action, at a distance of more than 3000 meters is very unlikely), but helicopters shoot at long distances on the principle of fire and forget. If there is no such system, there will be few orders. Install such a system, orders will be worth billions. (True, it will be necessary to upgrade the shells too)
        1. 0
          10 September 2015 21: 39
          You are right, this is a relative of S-60 smile

          Here is a closer photo that I found ... They just wrote that there is a software fuse, and you write that it is not observed. Perhaps the module has not been finalized; it was introduced this year.
          Photo links:
          https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/elberet545/album/226264/view/1294108

          https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/elberet545/album/226264/view/1294105
  10. +4
    10 September 2015 17: 58
    Quote: hydrox
    Somehow, a bit annoying is the abundance of various types of infantry fighting vehicles pretending to be put into serial production: they would have arranged at least comparative competitions, or something ..

    In addition, I personally, for example, have a number of questions. Although, of course, the article is very brief and there are no technical details.
    But ...
    1. Why such a powerful motor for this car? BMP is not an MIG-25 interceptor. If there was a heavy car with anti-ballistic armor, a high-power motor is needed .. And so ... Any engine engineer will confirm that a high degree of forcing (as well as for everything in this world Yes ) you need to pay: resource, reliability, whimsicality to fuel and lubricants, fuel consumption, maintainability, price, the need to strengthen or change transmission units and chassis.
    2. Uninhabited weapons module is larger and heavier than inhabited. If it were separated from the crew by an armored partition, gave mass-dimensional advantages, it was simpler, cheaper, yes.
    And in this case it looks like an unreasonable bloat, for "show-off".
    However, Kurganets should go for the RA, and if foreigners will take the BMP-3 of this modification, then okay!
    1. 0
      10 September 2015 18: 30
      Quote: Alekseev
      And in this case, it looks like an unreasonable twist,

      Reasonable consideration, join.
      The main purpose of an infantry fighting vehicle is to deliver or evacuate an airborne assault, and protecting this airborne assault is the main purpose of the armor, and only in second place is the mission of an infantry fighting vehicle as an independent combat unit, but then this vehicle does not need an airborne compartment.
      Somewhere there should be a concept for the construction of a BMP with a list of tasks to be solved and their ranking, and no economy can sustain all the samples in a row.
    2. 0
      10 September 2015 21: 52
      Quote: Alekseev
      1. Why such a powerful motor for this car? BMP is not an MIG-25 interceptor. If there was a heavy vehicle with anti-ballistic armor, a high-power motor is needed ..

      Well, power, like ammunition, is always small .. I'm wondering what kind of engine it is? Mark, character-ki .. I heard from my ear that an imported MTU, and therefore only for a foreign customer, is in doubt .. As for me, it would be possible to put two in-line six YaMZ-536s on 450l per second on the sides , synchronized using a torque converter, this will give a plus in ease of control, this unit can be borrowed from Belarusians with the MZKT. The dimensions of these engines make it possible to arrange between them a passage of about 1 meter, which is enough for an amphibious assault .. this spark can later be applied to the Kurgan and boomerang using the same principle, 900l / s is enough for these platforms for the eyes, and the presence of 2 motors it will give the necessary survivability, one engine will be removed or out of order it will completely take out the second one .. The civilian engine is a large series, therefore the price is moderate, and the consumption for two engines with a total volume of 14 liters should be less than that of the monster of the 70th UTD-32 in 26.5l, res pc identity is not comparable ..
      RS: In dreams, it is seen that each engine is aggregated through a flywheel variator with a generator. and those through the switch supply current to the wheel motor and other consumers .. But this is a matter of the distant future, although ALL technologies allow this today, the question is apparently in money and inertness of thinking ..
    3. 0
      11 September 2015 07: 04
      Quote: Alekseev
      Quote: hydrox
      Somehow, a bit annoying is the abundance of various types of infantry fighting vehicles pretending to be put into serial production: they would have arranged at least comparative competitions, or something ..

      In addition, I personally, for example, have a number of questions. Although, of course, the article is very brief and there are no technical details.
      But ...
      1. Why such a powerful motor for this car? BMP is not an MIG-25 interceptor. If there was a heavy car with anti-ballistic armor, a high-power motor is needed .. And so ... Any engine engineer will confirm that a high degree of forcing (as well as for everything in this world Yes ) you need to pay: resource, reliability, whimsicality to fuel and lubricants, fuel consumption, maintainability, price, the need to strengthen or change transmission units and chassis.
      2. Uninhabited weapons module is larger and heavier than inhabited. If it were separated from the crew by an armored partition, gave mass-dimensional advantages, it was simpler, cheaper, yes.
      And in this case it looks like an unreasonable bloat, for "show-off".
      However, Kurganets should go for the RA, and if foreigners will take the BMP-3 of this modification, then okay!

      It's like an armored and armed lamborghini for an Arab sheikh, and even tuned.
      :-)
    4. 0
      12 September 2015 10: 55
      Here the specialists gathered, huh? Why do we need a powerful engine? We’ll supply 200 forces, let it accelerate for half an hour, even if it doesn’t overpower even at 10 degrees, let it be 10 km / h, but it’s cheap. A bullet from an RPG will burn, etc. They would go, out, to the design bureau and there would push their ideas there. Stupid ideas, to say the least.
  11. +2
    10 September 2015 19: 41
    To Syria for practical work.
  12. +3
    10 September 2015 20: 01
    And in my opinion this is a concept / demonstrator - they say if you want a triple so "we will sabatsa" - you will pay. And Kurganets is more likely to me, do not you find the similarity of the layout? Remaining current, determine to whom which module. We have 3 platforms in the future: Kurganets, Armata and Boomerang.
  13. 0
    10 September 2015 20: 22
    Well, it looks like a good car. We will wait for her deliveries to the troops.
  14. 0
    10 September 2015 20: 59
    What to break a copy and arrows. The Arabs will probably buy the car, so the designer will look at all the pros and cons. I do not think that such a "raw" car will be acquired by the Russian Defense Ministry.
  15. 0
    10 September 2015 21: 11
    Quote: Albert1988
    Quote: lelikas
    Question - Could LEE

    that is, you seriously assume that there is no BC? Question then where is he?

    So in a hurry to catch that forgot to put?
  16. 0
    10 September 2015 21: 15
    Yes, what progress has come! Modern Russian BMPs have supernatural firepower. The variant with 57 mm automatic is very impressive. I can imagine getting a burst from such a cannon even into a modern tank. The armor may not penetrate, but the entire "attachment", including antennas, sights, active protection systems, and tracks, probably.
    1. 0
      11 September 2015 14: 32
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Yes, what progress has come! Modern Russian BMPs have supernatural firepower. The variant with 57 mm automatic is very impressive. I can imagine getting a burst from such a cannon even into a modern tank. The armor may not penetrate, but the entire "attachment", including antennas, sights, active protection systems, and tracks, probably.

      I wonder what kind of outboard will survive a 30mm hit? on the tests it was everything as you described, but after getting 30mm .. And the tank will disassemble a 57-4 tank with a 5 mm burst of shells ..
  17. 0
    10 September 2015 21: 47
    With this build, this vehicle can only be used as an Infantry Support Vehicle. It’s necessary to push the BC somewhere. There will not be much space left for the landing. The line from this gun means that the second shell is flying not know where. Recoil, however, will bring down a tip.
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  19. 0
    10 September 2015 22: 31
    Quote: prosto_rgb
    The designers definitely pleased !!! good
    Want a crewless combat module?
    -You are welcome! fellow
    Do you want the main and auxiliary gun 100 / 30mm as on the BMP-3?
    -You are welcome! fellow
    Want a 57mm main gun?
    -You are welcome! fellow
    Do you want a stern exit as in the "bury" military equipment?
    -You are welcome! fellow
    Want ergonomic landing seats?
    -You are welcome!
    In my opinion, they completed all Wishlist Internet experts.
    I don’t even know to invent yet? what


    only catapult is missing winked
  20. +1
    10 September 2015 22: 56
    Excellent BMP. We would still have to buy this from you.
  21. 0
    11 September 2015 01: 24
    And should welds be so obvious?
  22. +2
    11 September 2015 02: 12
    When I first saw how welders cook full containers of fuel, losing their hair on end in front, and God forbid, you have a half of a tank of gasoline or it spread after the first hit, the second hit is an explosion. Now about the explosion of fuel tanks on thirty-fours. Laughter and lies, and there are many photographs of 76s destroyed by an internal explosion, but these are explosions of ammunition, not explosions of fuel.
  23. +1
    11 September 2015 02: 16
    Do you think you have to close the aft hatch manually?
  24. +1
    11 September 2015 05: 29
    indeed, in my opinion, it would be preferable to close the ramp with a spring-loaded hydropneumatic ramp ...
  25. 0
    11 September 2015 07: 00
    Quote: kot stepan
    Everything is so, only if the tanks are filled to capacity. A well-known fact. Therefore, the Soviet tankers (WWII) tried to go into battle with the tanks fully filled. If there was enough empty space in the tank ... There is a mass of T-34 photo destroyed by the explosion of fuel vapor . Settled case, sheets of side armor torn out by explosion, etc.

    In general, usually this picture arose after the detonation of ammunition, and not as if after ignition of fuel vapor.
  26. 0
    11 September 2015 07: 09
    Why is my state flag flashing?
  27. +1
    11 September 2015 08: 34
    Judging by the photo, the ramp does not have any devices for raising and lowering, i.e. they stupidly dropped it (well, at least they didn’t crush anyone at the same time), but how will they close it, again the soldiers will grumble ... ???

    PS: the cars are still raw, everywhere the wiring sticks out, a bunch of imperfections, in short, as usual, they hurried to the exhibition like then we will finish it if they let go into the series ...
  28. +2
    11 September 2015 11: 39
    I was surprised by the statements about EXCESSIVE engine power. From what couch, gentlemen, did you get into the near-army forum ?? And let's instead of this mechanism stick the engine from the Druzhba chainsaw? No excess power, as a landing we will be able to plant legless invalids right in wheelchairs - there will be a lot of space, without an engine ... Here's an opinion about the "excess" power of our fellow forum member Rosomaha67: "... excellent maneuverability of the BTR-80 and its acceleration dynamics, our mechanics staged whole "dances" under fire due to the power characteristics of the armored personnel carrier, there was a car with a MAZ engine, so that was always put in the tail of the column because if at the beginning it was worth it, you would drive away. Urus-Martan to the "Chekhov" post with a stationary DShK, they were so crazy that we managed to turn around and run away while they were scratching their turnips, the only thing they prayed for was that the mechanic turned around in one go. It is also necessary to note the ease of maintenance and repair. the engine was produced by their own platoon, under the guidance of native mechanics, in a field park in a day, tested by practice ... "
    Enchanting optimists propose to put two YaMZ - you would be forced to memorize the whole list of problems that was identified on twin-engine bets in military operation. Here is one quote: "... A major design flaw of the BTR-60PB and BTR-70 armored personnel carriers is their equipping with two low-powered engines, which complicated their operation and excluded the use on steep climbs, passes and on the road ..." - this is from the analysis of the fighting 40- th Army of the Soviet troops in the DRA in 1979-1980 years.
    Okay, let's forget the experience, let's go further - put two engines with a serious synchronization device, let's not talk about the complication of the design, supposedly it will "overlap" with a margin of reliability and redundancy, but ask about the weight and size limitations. What weighs less, two YaMZ with two gearboxes and a synchronizer, or one new power unit? This is how we heroically overcome the limitations on the mass of the BTT, right? The analysts on the couches are ANALYTICS ...
  29. 0
    11 September 2015 16: 42
    Quote: SmileSimple
    VNIIS steel scientists know that:
    - cumulative jet temperature ~ 250С
    - cumulative jet velocity ~ 8000m / s
    in these milliseconds and at that temperature, the diesel fuel WILL NOT IGNITE


    Well, my amateurish knowledge still tells me that the ignition temperature of diesel fuel is 200-210g C, there are brands which are lower. You seem to be confused with the auto-ignition temperature, which is somewhere around 300g C.
  30. 0
    11 September 2015 23: 21
    nice machine. if only all of this had not sunk into oblivion - we'll see. I want to believe in the best.
  31. 0
    12 September 2015 04: 23
    Is Bucky the two stern boxes over there? Indeed, it is somehow not very optimistic. Or is it for young drivers so as not to get bored - a sledgehammer in their hands and periodically level the tanks)))
  32. 0
    12 September 2015 16: 43
    Obama's head will soon swell from our new products
  33. 0
    12 September 2015 17: 11
    See how the T-34 has ammunition and tanks placed. And the article does not indicate the placement of the engine in the BMP.
  34. 0
    13 September 2015 16: 24
    Well, a VERY interesting model ...

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