The new gun for the Defense Ministry will begin to experience this year

Testing of the latest gun chambered for 9x21 mm, developed by Klimov TsNIITOCHMASH, will begin this year, reports MIC with reference to a source in the Ministry of Defense.

“The gun is already fully prepared. It is planned that we will complete all of his tests before the end of 2016. After that, a decision will be made on its adoption, ”said the source.

He noted that “a rather rare cartridge 9x21mm, featuring enhanced armor penetration, is used in the new pistol.” Under this cartridge currently only one pistol is manufactured - CP-1 (also known as Serdyukov pistol). He is in service in the special forces of a number of law enforcement agencies.

According to the source, “a new army pistol is not a modernization of the CP-1, but a completely new development”.

He explained that "CP-1 has a flaw, it is quite strong, as they say," throws up "when fired, but thanks to new technical solutions, TsNIITOCHMASH was able to solve this problem."

Comments

[Enot_33]

It is high time. PM is suitable only for the police and similar structures. The army needs something new and more perfect.

[Reserve officer]

“The gun is completely ready. It is planned that we will complete all of his tests before the end of the 2016 year. After which a decision will be made on its adoption "

Somehow it was too confident and categorical. Quite recently on VO there was an article about the pistol of the Concern "Kalashnikov" caliber 9x19mm "PL-14" (Lebedev pistol). Almost ready too.
And if you recall other designs?
Many excellent developments have not been adopted. So wait and see.

[inkass_98]

So is this "Gyurza", or what? She is certainly ready for a long time, 15 years ago ... Her native patron, 9x21. Well, find me ten differences between the new development and the old one. The photo below is just "Gyurza".

[Uncle]

Quote: inkass_98

Well, find me ten differences

I did not find ten, but there is one: the brand of the plant on the handle.

[vkl-47]

Yes, no gyurza will be introduced. The photos showed since the throne is the same
Everyone is aware that they still did 90

[Grandfather Luka]

Gyurza was already at the councils. In the time of Andropov, the Chekists were armed. There was another case, the committee members with garbage, in Moscow, it seems, fired, right at the forecourt, neponyachka came out from them. So the Chekists were just armed with these things, unfortunately cops.

[VP]

And what's the difference to an army officer what is his gun?
They don’t go on the attack with a pistol and they don’t shoot back from the trenches in defense.
But the cops yes, this is essentially the main weapon and much can depend on it.
At specials yet. And it’s more to the platoon for show-offs and status.

[Roman1970]

Quote: VP

And what's the difference to an army officer what is his gun?
They don’t go on the attack with a pistol and they don’t shoot back from the trenches in defense.
But the cops yes, this is essentially the main weapon and much can depend on it.
At specials yet. And it’s more to the platoon for show-offs and status.

It depends on which gun. Let's remember Stechkin. Not show-off at all. Heavy, contagion, but not show-off - that's for sure.

[Arh]

But what about the Kalashnikov and Swift pistols ??? In my opinion they are the best!?!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Roman1970

It depends on which gun. Let's remember Stechkin. Not show-off at all. Heavy, contagion, but not show-off - that's for sure.

There is also Swift-Russian Glock ... a good machine, just to bring to mind ...

[uwzek]

Quote: Roman1970

Let's remember "Stechkin". Not show-off at all. Heavy, contagion, but not show-off - that's for sure.

APS is not a gun, but a submachine gun. Especially with a holster-butt. Without a butt, it is pointless to fire bursts from Stechkin.
All butt holsters have a stupid drawback: their belts have to be fixed on the shoulder with something (since you can’t put a similar construction behind the waist belt - then you won’t get the butt and shoulder). And these long straps interfere everywhere: when you crawl, climb into the hatch of a combat vehicle, get out of it. you can remove weapons with only two hands ...
You can name many more similar reasons without straining. The non-ergonomics of the hard holster-stocks led to the fact that the pistols with their use left the armies of the world, although any well-known brand of the pistol had a similar accessory in options (all armies tried to equip auxiliary personnel with similar devices because of a shortage of main weapon).
If you remove the butt of the APS, the automatic firing mechanism will already be a new pistol. The 9x18 cartridge is weak in terms of armor penetration (like 0.45 APC). Therefore, it makes sense to introduce a new cartridge. It is unlikely that our powerful 9x21 will fit for this role (this is not a "gyurza" because of its shortcomings it jumps when fired, and the powder charge of a cartridge is too strong for most shooters, and a pistol in the army is used as an additional weapon in the hands of a frequently wounded soldier, when and not from my own hand).
Our weapons factories are sitting idle. The employee of the military-industrial complex himself, I know how hard it is. These enterprises have long had no living workers. There were only design bureaus that had not tasted the taste of blood for a long time (not approved nominally, but seriously, designs with an approved state order). The same applies to cartridge factories (claims to fresh calibers were repeatedly discussed on the site). The country does not need new pistols (PMs for a hundred years ahead will be enough). If you do not allow civilian short-barrel, the industry will die unambiguously ...

[va3610]

Yes, permission for a short barrel will provide an opportunity to develop and create competition between developers and it is still necessary to launch Western producers of corbelshafts on the domestic market, this will spur producers to an even greater extent, subject to an adequate price.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: VP

And it’s more to the platoon for show-offs and status.

When I served, the tankers also had, except for machine guns, Makarov pistols, and not just the officers. This weapon is personal for very close combat, when the crew remained alive, and the store in the machine was over.

[VP]

Tankers and pilots need the same pilot, even the short-haul AKSU will not take off.

[Alf]

Quote: VP

And what's the difference to an army officer what is his gun?
They don’t go on the attack with a pistol and they don’t shoot back from the trenches in defense.

So, according to your logic, officers do not need personal weapons at all?
Then tankers and naval officers also do not need personal weapons?

[VP]

Well, explain why motorized infantry or a naval gun?
Riot on the ship to stop or what?
And when did they drag the daggers except when they stopped parades?
Understand, I'm not against guns. Moreover, tradition is sacred. I'm talking about the fact that the army, in addition to special forces, by and large, there is no big difference in which model he has a gun, this is not at all critical.
This was critical in the years of the Second World War when the rate of fire was not enough.

[Hello]

Quote: VP

Well, explain why motorized infantry or a naval gun?
Riot on the ship to stop or what?
And when did they drag the daggers except when they stopped parades?
Understand, I'm not against guns. Moreover, tradition is sacred. I'm talking about the fact that the army, in addition to special forces, by and large, there is no big difference in which model he has a gun, this is not at all critical.
This was critical in the years of the Second World War when the rate of fire was not enough.

Good evening.
It seems to me in the building can very much increase the chances of a fighter to survive. Again, for a sniper, given that he often carries a rifle on his shoulder at the time of battle. Yes, and when carrying the wounded can help

[Juborg]

Quote: Enot_33

It is high time. PM is suitable only for the police and similar structures. The army needs something new and more perfect.

Can't you see that outwardly they only chop nuts, as well as PYa. Well, is it really so difficult at least to "comb" the appearance, I am already silent about the vnutryanka.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: juborg

Well, is it really so difficult at least to "comb" the appearance

And what is wrong with the appearance?

Quote: juborg

I am already silent about the interns.

What are the specific flaws?

[Juborg]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: juborg

Well, is it really so difficult at least to "comb" the appearance

And what is wrong with the appearance?

Quote: juborg

I am already silent about the interns.

What are the specific flaws?

I ALREADY WRITTEN, "THEM ONLY CHECK NUTS".

[Vladimirets]

Quote: juborg

"They ONLY CHECK NUTS".

This is a very reasoned and technically competent answer.

[Alf]

Quote: juborg

Well, is it really so difficult at least to "comb" the appearance, I am already silent about the inside.

Do you need a powerful cartridge or a beautiful appearance? Then you to the Chinese, they are usually beautiful outside, but govenno inside.

[marlin1203]

The police are different. And the weapon is used in practice as often as possible. So that there for the specialists a sensible barrel will definitely not hurt for "dusty work"

[Juborg]

And why they are not satisfied with the submarine from "Kalashnikov"? Can't cut babos? Too cheap turned out ?!

[avt]

Quote: juborg

And why are they not satisfied with the submarine from "Kalashnikov"?

And what does he actually, as well as the notorious "Swift" suit with that? Well, if without an orgasm like

Quote: Arh

But what about the Kalashnikov and Swift pistols ??? In my opinion they are the best!?!

Maybe you have some specific information on testing these samples in accordance with army standards? So enlighten.

Quote: Roman1970

Let's remember "Stechkin". Not show-off at all. Heavy, contagion, but not show-off - that's for sure.

With the presence of PP in the metal and armament, as well as with the initially weak cartridge, that’s what Ponte, you can call it, status. Especially among Caucasians.

[Juborg]

Quote: avt

Quote: juborg

And why are they not satisfied with the submarine from "Kalashnikov"?

And what does he actually, as well as the notorious "Swift" suit with that? Well, if without an orgasm like

Quote: Arh

But what about the Kalashnikov and Swift pistols ??? In my opinion they are the best!?!

Maybe you have some specific information on testing these samples in accordance with army standards? So enlighten.

Quote: Roman1970

Let's remember "Stechkin". Not show-off at all. Heavy, contagion, but not show-off - that's for sure.

With the presence of PP in the metal and armament, as well as with the initially weak cartridge, that’s what Ponte, you can call it, status. Especially among Caucasians.

You respected wounded hand with a loose grip on the handle, squeeze a shot? This is not about a police officer, but an army pistol.

[avt]

Quote: juborg

You respected wounded hand with a loose grip, squeeze a shot?

Quote: juborg

This is not about a police officer, but an army pistol.

Repeat the question on

Quote: juborg

And why are they not satisfied with the submarine from "Kalashnikov"?

Quote: avt

And what does he actually, as well as the notorious "Swift" suit that?

But let's change a little - When, who and where conducted full-fledged tests and revealed outstanding opportunities

Quote: juborg

Submarine from "Kalashnikov"

as a pistol for arming the personnel of the army, Answers ala

Quote: juborg

? (Anything can be in battle, my friend from PM shot with my thumb and middle finger)

Not accepted, well, not interested in an artistic whistle instead of a specific test report, or just a report.

[bistrov.]

As I understand it, two fuses, both automatic, eliminating spontaneous firing even when dropped. It would be interesting to get acquainted with his performance characteristics. Judging by the look, automation is based on the principle of recoil of a heavy shutter, similar to PM. And the cartridge, so very short, uses the latest high-energy gunpowder?

[Reserve buildbat]

Automation - semi-free shutter. And the cartridge, if you think it is short, look at the NATO 9x19 "parabellum"))) That one will be shorter)))

[bistrov.]

The first digit in any cartridge means caliber, the second cartridge length. What is such a short cartridge?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: bistrov.

And the cartridge is already very short

9x21? Hmm, at PM 9x18, parabellum - 9x19. Well, not with Naganovsky you compare?

[RUSS]

Quote: Enot_33

It is high time. PM is suitable only for the police and similar structures. The army needs something new and more perfect.

The pistol PL-14 was developed by designer Dmitry Lebedev, working in the Kalashnikov concern. Dmitry is a student of the legendary designer of sports weapons Efim Khaidurov, and has been developing experimental pistols for many years. The development of the PL-14 pistol was launched in 2014 with the active participation of the famous shooter Andrei Kirisenko, multiple Russian champion in practical shooting. The aim of the development of the new pistol is to create a service (combat) pistol for the police, army and special services, as well as options based on it for sports practical shooting. The new pistol was based on a number of basic concepts, namely: optimal ergonomics, safe handling, high reliability with any 9x19 cartridges, full "double-sided", high resource (at least 10 shots when using 000N7 reinforced armor-piercing cartridges; with "ordinary »The resource should be much more ammo).
You need to understand that at the moment (summer 2015) this gun is still at the prototype testing stage. Ready for mass production should be expected no earlier than the beginning of 2016, and during this time the gun will necessarily undergo significant changes compared to the prototype shown here. In particular, it is planned to switch from an aluminum frame to a polymer one. Below is a description of the experimental Lebedev PL-14 pistol in the form in which it was first shown to the public in June 2015.

The Lebedev pistol PL-14 uses automation using the recoil of the bolt engaged with the barrel, with a short stroke of the barrel. The lowering of the breech when unlocking is carried out by a curly tide under the breech. The barrel is locked when the protrusion in the upper part of the barrel engages with a window for ejecting sleeves in the bolt. The frame of the gun is made of aluminum alloy, in the future it is planned to use a frame of impact-resistant polymer. The shape of the handle of the weapon provides a comfortable and natural grip of the weapon, while the maximum thickness of the handle is only 28mm.
Trigger trigger, with a hidden trigger and inertial hammer. Shooting is carried out in self-cocking mode for each shot (trigger only double action), while the pulling force is 4 kg, and the full stroke of the trigger is only 7 mm. In addition, a manual fuse is introduced into the design, when you turn it off, release the trigger with the trigger and having two flat, conveniently located levers on both sides of the weapon. The design provides a pointer to the presence of a cartridge in the chamber, made in the form of a pin protruding from the rear end of the bolt in the presence of a cartridge in the barrel. The slide stop levers are also two-way, as is the magazine latch button. Cartridges are fed from detachable double-row magazines with cartridges output in one row. Sights are open, unregulated, mounted in dovetail-type grooves. On the frame under the barrel, a Picatinny rail is made for installing additional equipment (LCC, flashlight).

[Now we are free]

Tests of the latest pistol under cartridge 9x12 mmdeveloped by Klimovskiy TsNIIITOCHMASH will begin this year, the military-industrial complex reports citing a source in the Ministry of Defense.

The site administration edit the article before posting it on a rather respected VO resource ... In the same article, the correct caliber is listed below, but the precipitate, as they say, remains ...
He noted that “the new pistol uses a rather rare 9x21mm cartridge

With regards to the "New" pistol itself, here is Serdyukov's pistol better known as SPS "Gyurza" (see photo) and find, as they say, 10 differences with "Novinka" ...

In addition to tossing as indicated in the article, "Gyurza" has another drawback, one of the fuses located in the rear of the pistol grip when firing strongly gives the shooter into the palm. With intense shooting, the factor is very unpleasant, which is not surprising if you also take into account the power of the 9x21mm ammunition. As you can see from the photo, the "Novinka" fuse remained in the same place ...

In general, having eliminated the same shortcomings of the "Novinka" it could / would have to arm the Armed Forces and Explosives, but the PL-14 would be suitable for the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Yes, these pistols have different calibers, but you must admit that the tasks that the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Armed Forces / VV solve are slightly different ...

Another question arises by itself when adopting a new ammunition for it, both the PP and the pistol are being developed, examples of well-proven "Partners":
1) .PP MP5 and Glock / Beretta pistol for 9 × 19 mm cartridge.
2) .PP UMP and HK Mk.23 mod pistol chambered for 11,43 × 23 mm caliber
2) .PP FN P90 and FN Five-seven pistol under a cartridge of caliber 5,7 × 28 mm.

If with the PL-14 using the world wide, albeit outdated (let's be honest) 9 × 19 mm in Russia as partners there are many good PPs of domestic production, then the question about the PP partner for the pistol "Novinka" under 9x21 mm remains open ...

[Assistant]

then the question about the partner PP for the pistol "New" under 9x21mm remains open ...

TSNIITOCHMASH SR-2 "Veresk".

[siberalt]

Good gun. Killing him is much better.

[siberalt]

What is the institute minus Then what’s the use of weapons for women? Here just would not mind discussing stopping properties. It is not a fact that it hit the target, but the target should not have the physical ability to respond to the shot right there.

[War and Peace]

it’s time to stop at something. PM ​​has been escorting them for 30 years and everything has been offered and everything is new and new. GREATER SHIPUNOV WITH DIRT made GSh18 - he didn’t like the military, then the CP1 GYURZA was too heavy, then Yarygin, about 3 years back, was STRIZH-our- Italian, then Lebedev, it seems to be good at everything, now it is a modification of the GYURZA, and the military still can’t choose what they need ...

[sharp-lad]

Probably hand lasers are waiting.

[avt]

Quote: War and Peace

THE GREAT SHIPUNOV WITH DREAM made GSH18 - the military did not like him, then the CP1 GYURZA was too heavy, then Yarygin,

CP-1 was it on the topic "Rook" passed ??? Actually, I always thought that his KGB / FSB for themselves with 9x21 and PP "Veresk" did. Well, I don't want to talk about PY at all - the campaign was pushed to the detriment same OTs-27 and GSh-18, and "Strizh" Well, everyone who is not lazy is sleeping with him according to Rogozin’s testament, and there’s no time for any trials, much less a series. That's how the submarine was blown away quietly and some army version of the SR is announced We’ll wait and see, but for now there will be enough Soviet PMs in the warehouses, but for now, big uncles are playing pistol games.

[War and Peace]

Quote: avt

CP-1 unless on the topic "Rook" took place ??

gyurza
http://topwar.ru/34729-samozaryadnyy-pistolet-sr-1mp-gyurza.html

[avt]

Quote: War and Peace

gyurza

I know about his klikuha from the exhibition, I’m talking about something else - about the competition for an army pistol under the code "Grach", similar to "Abakan".

[IS-80]

Quote: avt

OZ-27

OTs-33 is cooler. And if with two hands as in "Equilibrium" so generally fantastic. And most importantly, it is heavy, iron, reliable, if anything can be used in hand-to-hand combat. And all these plastic Glock-17s are all nonsense.

[Batia]

PM is morally obsolete, I agree, but in capable hands he is quite a formidable weapon. I liked him.

[Felix-A]

For the police, this sample is also not in any gate.

[romanru4]

It is precisely the police that most often use personal service weapons. This subject is much more important to them than to the officer of the Armed Forces.

[Su24]

How much more powerful is 9x21 than 9x18?

[gjv]

Quote: Su24

How much more powerful

PM against the first class of armor protection.
CP1M against the second class of armor protection, i.e. will be more powerful.

[VP]

The main thing in the gun is not penetration but the stopping action of the bullet.
Because of what, the TT was replaced at the time by Makar, although the TTshnik has a better penetration.

[Assistant]

The main thing in the gun is not penetration but the stopping action of the bullet.

Now every self-respecting professional criminal (not to be confused with amateur criminals) can be expected to have light body armor under clothing.

Because of what, the TT was replaced at the time by Makar, although the TTshnik has a better penetration.

In the 1950s, secretive wearing bulletproof vests were a little less common than nothing. Then high penetration was not required.

[gjv]

Quote: Su24

How much more powerful is 9x21 than 9x18?

Quote: VP

The main thing in the gun is not penetration but the stopping action of the bullet.

There is a quantitative measure - the muzzle energy of a bullet.
CP1 cartridge 9x21 - 635 J, against PM 9x18 - 300 J.

[VP]

But this is an argument, and very weighty.

[afdjhbn67]

Yes, and this one also looks like an overly complicated PM .. obviously they have not yet decided what to put into service, and a new and perfect one is not always good and reliable

[Tor5]

He held it in his hands (did not shoot), as it does not "lie down".

[Kolka82]

What kind of test program is this up to the end of 2016?

[AdekvatNICK]

and the owl’s head on the handle?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

and the owl’s head on the handle?

Yes. yes, a symbol of the bohemian grove. Freemasons without symbols anywhere!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Ingvar 72

(also known as Serdyukov’s pistol)

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: AdekvatNICK

and the owl’s head on the handle?

Yes. yes, a symbol of the bohemian grove. Freemasons without symbols anywhere!

Not our trunk ...
I like this one ...

[img] http://kolanews.ru/f2/iskkra/thumbnail/article-wide?URL=news-may/3428.jpg [/
img]

According to the general director of the company Alexey Krivoruchko, the versatility of the PL-14 will allow it to be used not only as a military weapon for the army and police, but also as a sports pistol for competitions of various classes.

It is specified that "PL-14" has a uniquely small thickness in comparison with analogues of this class: 28 millimeters in the area of ​​the handle and 21 millimeters in the front of the pistol. In addition, the double-sided arrangement and configuration of the PL-14 controls allows the pistol to be used with both right and left hands, which makes it convenient to carry and use.

"Particular attention is paid to the safety of the weapon: the applied solution of the trigger mechanism guarantees the impossibility of spontaneous firing of a loaded pistol, even when falling from a great height onto a hard surface. In addition, in the basic version, the trigger is deliberately made longer and with greater force than usual. , which will save the shooter from an accidental shot in a stressful situation while holding the finger on the trigger ", - the message says.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: MIKHAN

I like this one ...

Something link is incomprehensible, please duplicate.

[sedoj]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Something link is incomprehensible, please duplicate.

Try it here:
http://kolanews.ru/f2/iskkra/thumbnail/article-wide?URL=news-may/3428.jpg

[gjv]

Quote: MIKHAN

I like this one ...

So after all, this Browning cannot be put into the arsenal of the Russian army.

Sanctions, you know ...
And the muzzle energy of the bullet is still weaker, at the PM level.

[gjv]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

and on the hilt the head of an owl

Yes, owl head - logo FSUE "TSNIITOCHMASH".
From options:

Selected this

Products that can "bear"this logo:
Small arms:
Self-loading pistol SR-1M "Gyurza"
SR-2M "Veresk" submachine gun
Small-sized machine gun SR-3M "Whirlwind"
Silent machine "Val"
Sniper rifle "Vintorez"
Silent gun PSS
APS submarine
Submarine gun SPP-1M
Army machine gun "Pecheneg"
Cartridge SP4
Cartridges SP5, SP6
Cartridges SP10, SP11
IPS cartridge
SPS cartridge
Artillery weapons:
120mm NONA-SVK. Self-propelled gun / mortar
120mm VIENNA. Automated self-propelled howitzer / mortar
120-mm semi-automatic breech-loading mortar "Nona-M1"
Intelligent weapons systems:
Shooting simulators:
Shooting simulator 1U35M
Shooting simulator 1U35
Shooting simulator TRAK-1
Equipment and equipment:
"Barmitsa" - protection system
"Barmitsa" - defeat system
"Barmitsa" - power supply system
"Barmitsa" - control system
"Barmitsa" - life support system
Special use containers and cases:
Universal dustproof, moisture-proof boxes, packaging, containers, cases
Lodgment shock absorbers
Fiberglass crates over 30 sizes: include fiberglass casing, fittings and gaskets
Fiberglass packaging more than 130 items: boxes with shock absorbers-lodges installed in them
5-pack satchel bags: packs designed for carrying on the back include a suspension system
Transport and operational containers of 4 sizes: packages containing means for deploying field workplaces for working with equipment complexes
Combined packaging systems: include backpacks, trunks, bags, cases, additionally placed in fiberglass boxes and packages
Lodges shock absorbers: made of foam materials according to customer drawings, laser cutting and pouring methods
Accessories for packaging and containers: suspension systems, bags, backpacks, covers, etc.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: gjv

Products that may "bear" this logo:

It’s probably not worth it to reduce everything to conspiracy theories, but nevertheless, who initiated the choice of this logo? Not with the participation of those same Chubais aides was an owl chosen?

[IS-80]

Quote: gjv

Yes, the head of an owl is the FSUE TsNIITOCHMASH logo.

I wonder who drew? That looks like it.

[saygon66]

- Iver Johnson rolled over in his grave! Well, plagiarism all around ...

[Des10]

"Tests of the newest pistol chambered for 9x12 mm, developed by the Klimovsky TsNIITOCHMASH, will begin this year, the military-industrial complex reports, citing a source in the Ministry of Defense."
Well, at least then they specified - 9x21 , but I already thought --- they invented something special.

[st25310]

Tests of the latest pistol chambered for 9x12 mm. is there no mistake? can 9X21 mm.

[This]

In the picture - SR-1, "Gyurza"

[gjv]

Quote: Taka

In the picture - SR-1, "Gyurza"

The visible difference between the presented picture of the new pistol from the CP1M in the handle area and the absence of a fuse button. And where is the snake?

[Fibrizio]

The return will be decent. Although it is not clear what they like 45 caliber did not please. Enough dope. Or standard 9x19. Why fence a garden with a new cartridge? Existing few?

[yuriy55]

I don’t understand something, I’m probably going to the optometrist. There is such material:
http://gunsite.narod.ru/gurza.htm
The pistol complex "Gyurza" was created for special armament. units of the army and militia, designed to defeat living targets in body armor up to the third class of protection, as well as various technical equipment (vehicles, cabins and antennas of radar systems, missile bodies, etc.) at ranges up to 100 m. The complex consists of developed at TsNIITOCHMASH, the SR-1 pistol designed by Peter Serdyukov and the SP-10 (RG-052) cartridge designed by Alexey Yuriev. ATThe first prototype of the complex was introduced in 1991. The complex was adopted by the Russian power structures in 1996 under the name CP-1. The complex is also sold abroad under the trade name SR-1 "Vektor".
Automatic pistol "Gyurza" works due to the short stroke of the barrel. Shock - trigger mechanism of hammer type, double action. The pistol has two automatic safety locks. One is located at the back of the pistol grip and turns off when you grip the pistol grip with your hand. The second fuse is located on the trigger and turns off when you pull the trigger with your finger. Sights are not adjustable. The gun body is made of durable plastic. The trigger guard has a protrusion under the finger of the second hand when firing with two hands.
An important part of the Gyurza pistol complex is special cartridges 9x23 mm. For shooting from the Gyurza pistol, the following nomenclature of cartridges is used:
cartridge SP-10 - cartridge design A. Yuryev, the second name is RG-052. The shell bullet contains a tungsten carbide core with exposed core in the bullet head. These design features give the SP-10 cartridge increased armor penetration. At a distance of 100 meters, the SP-10 bullet is guaranteed to break through class III body armor, and at a distance of 70 meters, the head of the car’s cylinder block.
cartridge SP-11 - a shell bullet with a lead core.
cartridge SP-12 - with an expansive action bullet
cartridge SP-13 - with an armor-piercing tracer bullet.

[hellriker]

It looks like a rezinostrel "under the PM". And what about the PL-14? It seems like the tests were planned?

[TOZ-34]

Error 9x12? And throws up a lot?

[SibSlavRus]

Something tells me that in the photo there is a 9-mm self-loading pistol SR-1 "Vector".
Created in the mid 90's. lead designer TsNIITochMash P. I. Serdyukov on the basis of the gun RG055, previously developed by him, which received the informal name "Gyurza".
This barrel is in service with special units. And it really has a 9x21 mm cartridge. Capacity = 18pcs

Now the Rook (Yarygin’s pistol) is used under the 9x19 mm cartridge “parabellum” in the troops and services, and (especially impressing me) army GSh-18 pistol.
But if there are complaints about the "Rook" (especially in terms of biting the cartridge case when thrown away), then GSh-18, in my opinion, is the best "barrel" in its class. And it was developed, if I'm not mistaken, later than the rest of the presented samples.
By the way, work on the topic "Rook" was carried out in several design bureaus. At present, only two pistols remain: the first - from the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant, designed by V. Yarygin, the second - by TsNIITochMash, designed by P. Serdyukov (the one that 9x21 "Vector" was also developing).
GSH-18, for me, is just a "fairy tale". And his ammunition.

[eyed]

I remember, I was smacking from "Stechkin" in bursts, and even with a wooden holster. It was a good gun.

[Vladimir 1964]

This is not the first model to replace the old PM, only the use of pistols by combat officers is really extremely insignificant. So the question arises, do you need so many, plus a new cartridge?

[Vladimir]

Why do they need two fuses in an army pistol? They won’t save a fool, but in innovation such an innovation may not be too much to argue. In general, in an army battle, a gun is needed not to hit the enemy, but to reach the machine gun.

[SibSlavRus]

You can't even imagine, but in the same GSH there are already four different safety systems (!). And to the question "why", probably, as they say in army circles: "there were precedents."

[LEVIAFAN]

and who knows what TT was bad? if anyone knows why it was removed, write. thanks in advance.

[Army soldier2]

There are several reasons. 1. Significantly more complicated incomplete disassembly (in comparison with PM). 2. The actual absence of a fuse, as such. 3. Small resource of the firing mechanism. TT "aged" can shoot in bursts. 4. Small stopping effect of a bullet.
At URE in the beginning of the 80's, the TT was in service with us. It shoots well, though often in bursts. Accuracy is high (even with worn trunks).

[Sochi]

I will add that in severe frosts it "froze" even with minimal lubrication.

[vkl-47]

Yes, no gyurza will be introduced. The photos showed since the potron is the same
Everyone is aware that the gyurzu still made 90 [/ quote]
Read the article carefully

[tol100v]

Talk about replacing PM-ma has been going on for two decades, but things are still there! And the proposed option is not a fact that will be implemented. That's when they will adopt, then another conversation will be, and so, one projection!

[eyed]

Quote: LEVIAFAN

and who knows what TT was bad? if anyone knows why it was removed, write. thanks in advance.

TT - heavy, in the hand lies uncomfortable, throws it cool because of the shutter. And the present-day bullet will not be enough - IMHO.

[Uzer 13.]

The cartridge did not correspond to the new post-war ideas about the properties of personal weapons, and even when it was turned out by the machine tools, they apparently acquired what the Walters did on it. But the main reason is considered to be the unreliable coil spring of the trigger. during the war years and even more so. Alloying additives were brought from America by Lend-Lease.

[bish]

I did not shoot many of the Gyurza, but there were definitely a couple of magazines, I did not notice either the barrel toss or the recoil of the fuse in the hand. Only the "Gyurza" from which it fired had a slightly different fuse in the handle.
And when shooting with the same cartridge from "Veresk" everything flies very well, it turned out to put growth targets at 300 m.

[Watchman]

It would be better if Yarygin was finalized.

[reklats34]

it's time to do machine guns

[gjv]

Quote: reklats34

it's time to do machine guns

From the same factory TsNIITOCHMASH products:
SR-2M "Veresk" submachine gun
Small-sized machine gun SR-3M "Whirlwind"
Silent machine "Val"
Sniper rifle "Vintorez"
Silent gun PSS
APS submarine
Submarine gun SPP-1M
Army machine gun "Pecheneg"

[Svetovod]

Quote: Su24

How much more powerful is 9x21 than 9x18?

In terms of speed, it is 100m / s faster, in terms of muzzle energy it is almost 2 times more powerful (300J against 580J).
Here is the topic http://topwar.ru/20384-patrony-9h21-i-oruzhie-dlya-nih-statya-i.html

Under this case, automation is also needed with a clutch of the shutter and the barrel. In "Gyurza" it seems like the same locking scheme as in "Walter-P38" and "Beretta F92" - a swinging wedge stumbling over a steel cylinder. A reliable scheme like. Not as open to all sands as that of the GSh-18, and not as limited in development as the pistol of the Rook with a swinging barrel. You can grow the barrel, on the frame in front of the bracket, make a fastening influx for all sorts of different lights, laser marks, handles and bipods. Whether someone needs it or not, the cartridge makes it possible to meaningfully achieve the characteristics of the carbine with the proper butt, long barrel and sight. But it's just a gun.

[gjv]

Quote: Svetovod

You can grow the trunk, on the frame in front of the bracket to make a mounting influx for all sorts of different lights, laser marks, handles and bipods. It is necessary for someone or not, but the cartridge allows you to consciously achieve the characteristics of a carbine with a proper stock, a long barrel, and an aim. But this is just a gun.

Somewhere there was information that on the new pistol there will be a Picatinny rail for everything that Ivan listed. However, I do not see something in the picture

[WUA 518]

Quote: gjv

Picatinny rail for everything

It was realized on "Gyurza". If desired, you can hang it without problems.

[Sochi]

There is also (ATP) a spring-loaded shutter on the shutter frame, which greatly softens the return ...

[WUA 518]

[[/ Center]

Quote: Svetovod

You can grow the trunk, on the frame in front of the bracket to make a mounting influx for all kinds of different lights

Yes, you don’t even have to do anything, enough fasteners.

[castle]

And you offer these bells and whistles to army men, for daily service in the fields? Guys, until April 1, another six months with a hook.
And if to be honest about the photo at the beginning of the article - the trunk is short, the "nose" is light. Throwing up will be very significant. Not good for a good fight. Unless, as in the shooting range, there is a lot of time and the target does not run and does not respond with fire. Then the PM is a good machine. For a paper target.

[WUA 518]

Quote: hrad

And you offer these bells and whistles to army men, for daily service in the fields?

God forbid.

Quote: hrad

Throwing up will be very significant.

Little blood can be solved by installing the DTK (muzzle brake compensator) But the designers know better.

[Mitrich76]

It seems that we will not wait for the PM replacement ... Already so much has been developed, released, tested, and things are still there.
And it’s hardly a matter of performance characteristics. More like knocking out funds by various design bureaus and industries. Apparently, again someone's willful decision is needed, after which, as always, the weapon is accepted, diseases are cured and "a weapon with an exceptional combination of reliability, ease of use, fighting qualities and low cost in production" is obtained.
If I find myself wrong, it will be great, but somehow not our way.

[SSeT]

Already make a clone of glock on a good line of production and do not have a brain, resources and means. if you yourself can’t bring pl-14 or gsh-18 to mind

[Massik]

All this is useless, still no one wants to build a production line, and if they do, they will produce the same slag in quality.

[Strashila]

If I am not mistaken, all these creations came out of the Grach project in the 90s.
There, the initial versions of Serdyukov and Yarygin and others took part in the competition ... by defeating Makarov ... PMM in a bitter struggle. Berdysh was not a bad run with Stechkin’s participation, there are variations under virtually any cartridge from PM to TT.
The fact that the PMM is in service with the FSO is the highest indicator for weapons.
All these annual pistol contests look more and more like an attempt to cut the budget than real concern for arming the army.

[SSeT]

PMM is such a palliative in the absence of a normal personal pistol, a dozen options are normal - NO! it is necessary to invent his mountain, from .. the bad, but his !!! SO !!

[Uzer 13.]

Only the cartridge can be called new here, but it can be called the cartridge for special forces rather than the army. The best option would be the well-known 9 * 19 Para and the Beretta 92 gun as an example. This is where a good ratio of weapon weight and cartridge power is achieved, quality and cost. It has long been known that you need to make a cartridge first, and then a gun. If these cartridges are made a few hundred a year, what more can I talk about? The quality is also known, with the old releases PM can not be compared. So and everything goes on behind the other results in a small amount of useless quality, which in turn leads to a lack of demand.

[Evilcat]

Quote: bistrov.

The first digit in any cartridge means caliber, the second cartridge length. What is such a short cartridge?

The second digit indicates the length of the sleeve, not the cartridge.

[Evilcat]

Sorry, but I have not seen a more full-time system. Pimps on the back of the handle and on the trigger. apparently automatic fuses? Do you think a fuse of this size is very convenient? Well, compare similar ones with grandparents. Colt 1911 on the handle and Glock 17 on the trigger. And subsequent imitators. Were they all there? I don’t believe in it and that’s all.

[castle]

My home appliance is the CZ 75 BD POLICE. There is also an interesting internal fuse system. And not any discomfort with active shooting.

[SSeT]

Great example. He and his later mods are one of the best examples of personal weapons in the world. What for do you need to reinvent the wheel in the 21st century?

[WUA 518]

Quote: hrad

My home appliance is the CZ 75 BD POLICE. That

Honestly, I envy. They were selling at a rifle club, but the price ..........., and it should have been stored anyway at the club. But her hands were scratched by her God.

[WUA 518]

Now they’re tearing the soul.
Glock 17 *. Austrian pistol developed by Glock for the needs of the Austrian army.
* There is no discount on loyalty cards for this gun model.
Country of manufacture: Austria
Caliber: 9x19
Weapon length: 186 mm
Barrel length: 114 mm
Weight: 625
Storage at the club.
85 –P

[corporal]

Again, our designers are engaged in masturbation of the brain, it would be better if the ZIG ZAUER PRO were copied and remade under the 9x21 cartridge.
IMHO of course, as a former policeman I express my wish.

[Alf]

Quote: Corporal

Again, our designers are engaged in masturbation of the brain, it would be better if the ZIG ZAUER PRO were copied and remade under the 9x21 cartridge.
IMHO of course, as a former policeman I express my wish.

And who will give it to copy?
Take someone else's pistol, created under one cartridge and remake under a completely different cartridge? Do you understand what you said? It's easier to make a new one.
Imagine the picture. At your home, Horizon CRT, fully released by us. You are going to put in it a kinescope from Panasonic. Try to do it, then report the result.
If you do not want to experiment with a zombie, try putting a drawer from another wall in your furniture wall.
If you do not want to experiment with the wall, try to stick 12 cylinders with a Ferrari instead of a four-pot motor in your car. Just, again, report the result.
You, although a policeman, must think. (No offense)

[SSeT]

Do not be stupid, being not in the know. SiG quite calmly sells production licenses. For any models, any cartridges that they have mastered (almost everything on the market) Yes, they are not the cheapest on the market, well, they don’t sell Ketai iPhones. The problem is that it will be necessary to invest in production (machines), you don’t sharpen files with sheds in the sheds, you won’t get too much on rollbacks

[Evilcat]

According to the source, “a new army pistol is not a modernization of the CP-1, but a completely new development”.

But what about the name of the gun? SR-1M?

[Evilcat]

Quote: bish

I did not shoot many of the Gyurza, but there were definitely a couple of magazines, I did not notice either the barrel toss or the recoil of the fuse in the hand. Only the "Gyurza" from which it fired had a slightly different fuse in the handle.
And when shooting with the same cartridge from "Veresk" everything flies very well, it turned out to put growth targets at 300 m.

9x21 by 300 meters? Are you confusing anything?

[anatoliy73]

Citizens are comrades! Explain to me - dilettante, ethno that, less than twenty years have passed - and we again decided to revive Gyurza / Vector? And again change the 'orientation' from 9x19 to 9x21? Al there will be one small-scale caliber for 'specialists'? It's just that since the beginning of the XNUMXs I have been following the shooters

[Evilcat]

Quote: uzer 13

The cartridge did not correspond to the new post-war ideas about the properties of personal weapons, and even when it was turned out by the machine tools, they apparently acquired what the Walters did on it. But the main reason is considered to be the unreliable coil spring of the trigger. during the war years and even more so. Alloying additives were brought from America by Lend-Lease.

The specialist is immediately visible. Spring steel contains up to 0,25% nickel and the same amount of chromium, however, some grades of steel up to 1% chromium. What is such a rare steel? And what is the relationship between the properties of the cartridge and the material of the spring?

[Gunther]

Quote: VP
The main thing in the gun is not penetration but the stopping action of the bullet.

Well, it’s like someone, sometimes a lethal ending is required.

Quote: VP
Because of what, the TT was replaced at the time by Makar, although the TTshnik has a better penetration.

Everything changes over time - reliable body armor appeared and the makar was "outdated", and therefore TT was in demand.

[Stoler]

What we only "did not experience and did not take into service", And as we walk with the PM and "Kalash" we will continue to walk.

[Wolka]

this device is not new, it’s being finalized, but it’s being finalized, and the main drawback is that the weapon is not balanced, which causes the barrel to be thrown at the time of the shot, the ammunition with -21 is very powerful, not akin to the PM, there is still a short barrel, compensators partially solve the problem, but solve I’d like it ... it’s better for me Stechkin, well, or the TT with its ammunition, to slightly change the external design, ergonomics, so to speak, to solve the problem with the additional fuse, but without prejudice to the balance of weapons and the total weight of the weapon and on the go, it’s really army pistol ... but generally for a long time it’s time to set a goal to create a short-barreled weapon based on the metered removal of part of the powder gases from the bore, the scheme for rolling the free shutter and the short stroke of the barrel, although the optimal, but not quite the best solution ...