Military Review

Revival of the military-industrial complex of Russia ("Clarin", Argentina)

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Russia, after many years of reorganization and modernization of production processes, bringing them in line with international standards, as well as reconversion of the military-industrial complex, is beginning to show positive results and participate in the implementation of ambitious projects. The revival of the Russian military-industrial complex is carried out on the basis of Rostec - a giant state corporation in the production and sale weapons, as well as military equipment.

At first glance, the decision by the Russian leadership to establish the state corporation Russian Technologies, to which a significant part of the country's industrial assets has been transferred, may seem illogical. The corporation includes more than 663 organizations that employ 475 thousands of employees. Many regarded this step as a return to the Soviet industrial model of development. In fact, it is not. The Russian leadership has chosen a mixed formula - market relations and a centralized form of planning. Rostec develops, manufactures and distributes high-value-added high-tech products. These are automobiles, airplanes, engines, helicopters, the latest medical devices, biotechnologies, radio electronics, and also military products: missiles, armored vehicles, fighters and helicopters.

Rostec was the result of a post-communist industrial crisis. The giant state corporation was created in 2007 year to save the defense industry, which could not adapt to the market economy. Thanks to the measures taken, the corporation in 2014 delivered 13,2 billion dollars abroad to products and provided Russia with the second place in the world in sales of military equipment and weapons. In addition, Rostec, on the basis of properly built marketing, has managed to preserve such world-famous brands as Lada, Kalashnikov, Russian Helicopters, Tupolev, KamAZ. The corporation was also able to attract partners and investors for the modernization of enterprises.

“We managed to enter the top ten largest companies in the world. We are planning to take the fifth place in the world by 2035, and I am sure that we can do it, ”said Rostec's head of communications service Vasily Brovko.

The state corporation has serious plans to expand cooperation with Latin American countries. Currently, 15% Rostec exports fall to this region. In the segment of home appliances should be noted mobile phone Yotaphone - the world's first phone with two screens, one of which is always in an active state. “We know that we are entering a competitive market, and we are striving, including to conquer the market of China, which consumes 50% of world mobile phone production,” Brovko said.

The reconfiguration of the state mega-corporation is due to the failure of plans for economic liberalization after the collapse of the USSR. According to the decree of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, X-NUMX of strategically important industrial enterprises was transferred to Rostec. According to the information provided by the corporation, of these enterprises around 426 are in a pre-bankrupt state, 148 of enterprises are bankrupt and 28 of enterprises have stopped any activity at all. “Damage to production lines, funds exhausted. Enterprises urgently need more effective management, ”the report states.

Sergei Chemezov, a former colonel general who enjoys Putin’s personal confidence, has been appointed head of the state corporation. Chemezov presented a new strategy to promote the development of Russian industry, including the military-industrial complex, and proposed to modernize the business network to attract Russian and foreign investment.

Currently, Rostec has formed 15 holding companies and is actively engaged in attracting engineers and technicians, graduates of technical schools and universities. Klimov, one of the leading Russian developers of gas turbine engines, has signed several agreements with colleges and polytechnic universities to create specialized departments for training specialists. The average salary is low by Western standards (50 thousand rubles, that is, about 750 US dollars), but the company says that it is the largest in the industry, and 90% of employees approve the goals and objectives of the company.

For young people in Russia, economic factors and income are not the main motives for staying to work in their own country. Young people are interested in getting a profession that would help them make a career in the manufacturing sector (engineering, metallurgy, electronics, chemistry). In addition, young people are very interested in aviation.

In the 700 km east of Moscow, the Kazan Helicopter Plant is located, part of the Russian Helicopters helicopter-building holding Russian State Corporation Rostec. The plant employs 7 thousands of employees, the company competes with American Bell. Kazan Helicopter Plant has customers in 80-ti foreign countries, including Argentina. Last year, the plant earned 1,5 billion dollars.

It should be noted that the Russian military-industrial complex is being revived on the basis of past experience. The stated goal is self-sufficiency and independence from imports, so Rostec enterprises complement each other through globalization of production.
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http://www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/complejo-industrial-Rusia-renace-pasado_0_1426057645.html
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  1. VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 05: 54 New
    +9
    Hey, everyone! It turns out Putin and the team are acting for the good of Russia and its people, that is, you and me.

    Yes, yes, and the economic bloc of the government, and even the Central Bank.
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 12 September 2015 07: 06 New
      +21
      I’m not an all-rounder, I am for healthy criticism. And very, very glad that they act. But so far it’s only in the defense industry, at the direct direction of the President and under his personal control. And about the Central Bank, I'm sorry, I did not find it in the article.
      1. the polar
        the polar 12 September 2015 07: 33 New
        -4
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        I’m not an all-rounder, I am for healthy criticism. And very, very glad that they act. But so far it’s only in the defense industry, at the direct direction of the President and under his personal control. And about the Central Bank, I'm sorry, I did not find it in the article.

        During one of Mr. Rogozin’s “on-camera” meetings with Mr. Putin, Mr. Rogozin was furiously indignant that a spot-check revealed; enterprises inflate the value of defense orders from 4 to 11 times, i.e. an average of seven times the real cost. In other words, this money could have produced seven times more military equipment than planned. Our Mr. Putin, "on camera" indignantly moved his eyebrows and sympathized with Rogozin that this was supposedly not good, it was necessary to convince the owners of enterprises to lay divine prices in contracts. However, it is clear that the goddess is not able to follow the wise advice of our Mr. Putin, because something is not visible, so-called "state enterprises" began to produce seven times more military products.
        1. tronin.maxim
          tronin.maxim 12 September 2015 08: 03 New
          +9
          Compared to 90 years, the situation is good. Not perfect, but not all at once (especially considering that liberals are in power). Finally look at the work done on somewhere in the year 20. By the way, there is media reports that Putin is making a transformation in the government.
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 12 September 2015 09: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: tronin.maxim
            By the way, there is media reports that Putin is making a transformation in the government.

            Oh well. Just would "sewed" on the "soap" did not change. And then, unfortunately, this happens so often with us. (Chubais, Kiriyenko, well, some more "comrades")
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 12 September 2015 19: 45 New
              +4
              Quote: Kos_kalinki9
              Kiriyenko, well, some more "comrades")
              - I warmly agree about Chubais, but about Kiriyenko ... He has led Rosatom for many years, and somehow Rosatom has not lost to anyone, including even Westinghouse. You can, of course, say that the team of Rosatom, in spite of the wrecking activity of Kiriyenko, is the leader, but will it be true? For political beliefs, you can agree or disagree with Kiriyenko, you may not even like him, but you will not recognize certain results in managing a giant corporation, which is very, very capital and knowledge-intensive, by the way, it won’t work. Let us nevertheless sometimes give up on our feelings and step on the throat of our hostile emotions, if any person is still a professional and gives positive results. The result is EVERYTHING, emotions are empty. IMHO.
        2. smith7
          smith7 12 September 2015 08: 07 New
          +19
          "Rogozin was indignant ... 4-11 times overpriced ..." and who thought this, how many times overpriced? Of course, the defense industry is not holy, but when they talk about price, you need to consider a specific enterprise with a specific order. Many problems with overpricing are associated with underutilization of enterprises by orders and the decline of past years, the need to restore fixed assets. 20 years of devastation killed people’s pride in the profession and saturated the managerial staff with “effective managers” who have no idea about the state diagram of the iron-carbon alloy or the principle of the pn junction in a semiconductor. The salary of the director and locksmith of the 4th category may differ by 60 ... 100 times (guess whose benefit). PS The sarcasm "our lord Putin" is not appropriate. His behavior is not like the master's and the benefits of his work (and in fact hard labor) are more than harm. A person can do anything, but until he starts to do something.
          1. the polar
            the polar 12 September 2015 12: 51 New
            +5
            Quote: smith7
            20 years of devastation killed people’s pride in the profession and saturated the managerial staff with “effective managers”, the salary of the director and locksmith of the 4 rank may differ in 60 ... 100 times (guess whose benefit). PS The sarcasm "our lord Putin" is not appropriate. His behavior is not like the master's and the benefits of his work (and in fact hard labor) are more than harm. A person can do anything, but until he starts to do something.

            But what exactly has Mr Putin been doing all these years?
            And to evaluate its "achievements" we take the period of years in 15, for a better understanding of what can be done over the years. Well, let's say from 1920 to 1935 the year when the USSR, from the ruins of the civil war, built a powerful economy, laid the foundations of a socially just society, where there was no unemployment, everyone had the right to free medical care and universal free education, in the shortest possible time tens of millions of illiterates got the opportunity read and write, participate in public life, pensions for all employees, free kindergartens, free flying clubs and sports sections for young people ...
            Or from 1945 to 1960, when the most industrialized areas were destroyed to the ground during the war, and this is about 50% of all industry. And after 15 years, the factories evacuated to Siberia turned into a powerful industrial cluster. Not only that, and in the areas destroyed by the war, the industrial potential was restored and multiplied and in 1960, the first Soviet cosmonaut Gagarin in the world to fly into space. The people had the idea of ​​building a socially equitable social society, giving a person the opportunity to effectively develop their creative and working abilities.
            And what is Mr. Putin’s idea? What successes has his government achieved in 15 in recent years? What did his "hard labor" bring in the Novo-Ogarevsky and Sochi palaces, not counting other palaces and estates?
            1. Dry_T-50
              Dry_T-50 12 September 2015 19: 42 New
              -4
              Quote: Polar
              fathers, everyone had the right to free medical care and universal free education, in the shortest possible time tens of millions of illiterate people got the opportunity to read and write, participate in public life, pensions for all workers, free kindergartens, free flying clubs and sports sections for young people ...
              Or from 1945 to 1960, when the most industrialized areas were destroyed to the ground during the war, and this is about 50% of all industry. And after 15 years, the factories evacuated to Siberia turned into a powerful industrial cluster. Not only that, and in the areas destroyed by the war, the industrial potential was restored and multiplied and in 1960, the first Soviet cosmonaut Gagarin in the world to fly into space. The people had the idea of ​​building a socially equitable social society, giving a person the opportunity to effectively develop their creative and working abilities.
              And what is Mr. Putin’s idea? What successes has his government achieved in 15 in recent years? What did his "hard labor" bring in the Novo-Ogarevsky and Sochi palaces, not counting other palaces and estates?

              You forget that Russia is not the Soviet Union, our elites are not Stalin’s, and the collapse of the 1920’s was incomparable with Yeltsin’s.
              And yes, what did Stalin and Andropov end up when they tried to go against the rest of the elite? Forget about deoligarchization — the population has been robbed, robbed and will be robbed of the words “always” and “everywhere”.
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 September 2015 22: 25 New
              +7
              Quote: Polar
              everyone was entitled to free medical care

              What is most surprising - there was also the opportunity to get it all. Tsarist education was very good, but the volume of specialists trained by him was small. In the USSR, they managed to solve the problem of education, which was monstrous in its complexity, and although some people now say that education in the early USSR was not as high-quality as it was under the tsar (and it really was), it was IMPOSSIBLE to ensure explosive growth without losing quality .
              And after all, at the same time, the principles were laid down completely correct - after some 25 years there, our Soviet education reached reference heights.
              How many of the same doctors were trained! Such a rate of decline in child mortality, which the pre-war USSR achieved in my opinion, did not exist in the history of mankind.
        3. hrych
          hrych 12 September 2015 09: 20 New
          -2
          Quote: Polar
          Our Mr. Putin, "on camera" indignantly moved his eyebrows and sympathized with Rogozin

          GDP sympathized with Mr. Rogozin in his economic incompetence ...
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 12 September 2015 12: 42 New
            +7
            GDP sympathized with Mr. Rogozin in his economic incompetence ...
            how competent is that. who appoints incompetent?
            1. hrych
              hrych 12 September 2015 13: 07 New
              0
              Rogozin has the function of an overseer with a whip, he copes with this task, but when he crawls into the cost of building a fighter, the GDP frowns ...
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 16: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              how competent is that. who appoints incompetent?

              This is just some kind of holiday! laughing

              So competent that "Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past.»© VseDoFeNi
              1. Dry_T-50
                Dry_T-50 12 September 2015 19: 46 New
                +1
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                So competent that “Today under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past.” © VseDoFeNi

                What Putin brought the country to! In 91, during the crisis, they bought salt and matches, now cars and apartments © Anonymous
        4. Alfizik
          Alfizik 12 September 2015 10: 04 New
          +1
          How do you imagine "seven times more technology?" Power will not allow. But are our planes, machines, etc. more expensive than western? If you do not overstate, then there will be no workers left. Here labor productivity must be tightened. If everything was really cool, then we would not have been shown their meeting, but simply would have kicked someone who needs an ass. But the signal was sent anyway.
        5. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 12: 42 New
          -8
          Quote: Polar
          enterprises inflate the value of defense orders from 4 to 11 times, i.e. an average of seven times the real cost.

          There was no need to pros-riat the USSR. Tell me the corrupt brainless communists who dismembered it.
          Quote: Polar
          However, it’s clear that God is not able to follow the wise advice of our Putin

          I remind the sclerotics that the corrupt brainless communists destroyed the USSR in 1991, tied the RUBLE to the DOLLAR, deprived our enterprises of work and financing ...
          Putin is forced to correct the consequences of this destruction. Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
          And I will repeat it, as long as there are those who do not understand this.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 12 September 2015 12: 46 New
            +2
            Putin is forced
            Firstly, Putin himself is a communist, so what kind of communists are you scolding? And Bohato, this is for Western loans, ask the homeless, how much is BoHat?
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 13: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              so what kind of communists are you scolding?

              Can't you read? It is clearly said.
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              corrupt brainless communists


              Quote: Gardamir
              And Bohato, this is for Western loans, ask the homeless, how much is BoHat?

              Bohato the homeless let him say thanks that he does not sit on article 209 of the Criminal Code of the USSR for avoiding socially useful work aka for parasitism.
              You need to work, uncle, and not mess around in landfills and offices.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 12 September 2015 14: 10 New
                +3
                Putin himself is a communist,
                corrupt brainless communists

                the homeless let him say thank you for not sitting under article 209 of the Criminal Code of the USSR
                And what is so easy to find a job in bourgeois-liberal Russia and pay? And not 10 thousand, but the one that the president of Crimea promised.
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 16: 42 New
                  -5
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  And what is so easy to find a job in bourgeois-liberal Russia and pay?

                  There is such an organization - the employment service. Refer to them. fool

                  But judging by the influx of migrant workers in this we have problems, if any, are not very great.
                  In general, the very first request in Yandex "the salary of a welder in Nizhny Novgorod," so that it is not Moscow, shows that it is easy. wink

                  Tynts.
                  NAKS welder for those. pipelines and metal structures

                  from 80 000 to 90 000 rub.
                  NAKS welder for those. pipelines and metal structures
                  City: Nizhny Novgorod
                  Employment: Shift
                  Experience: Over 6 years
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 12 September 2015 17: 51 New
                    +5
                    so that it’s not Moscow,
                    e.g. Yarvnsk.
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 18: 08 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      e.g. Yarvnsk.

                      You still ask about the village of Bakhta, Krasnoyarsk Territory of the Turukhansky District, sickly. fool
                      He said clearly -
                      Quote: VseDoFeNi
                      There is such an organization - the employment service. Refer to them.

                      Something you do not hold more than one phrase in your head. bully

                      And in general, instead of sucking the accusations of an "anti-popular regime" out of your finger, give a hint about the topic. Why would it be the West, which praised Gorbachev, Yeltsin, decided not to scold, but almost curse Putin? And that you howl to the west. what

                      1. Babr
                        Babr 12 September 2015 18: 46 New
                        +4
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        And that you howl to the west.

                        You, (noticed, wrote with a capital letter, although I accept, more on you) always start, first for health, then for peace (noticed from your past lives) slipping into banal rudeness.
                        Nothing personal. Notes, so to speak.
                        And Gardamir is laconic. Nothing extra.
                        Well, that's me, I walked by.
                        At least I could argue, but without it .... boor ...
                      2. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 13 September 2015 07: 28 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Babr
                        At least I could argue, but without it .... boor ...

                        They don’t understand, they don’t want to understand.
                        As one friend of mine says: all around kinesthetics, until you give a turnip, they don’t understand. Although I strongly suspect that this will not help. Vaughn, Ukraine, dances on a rake and continues to curse Russia in all troubles.
                    2. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 12 September 2015 20: 58 New
                      +5
                      sickly
                      instead of sucking out a finger
                      but almost curse Putin?

                      I am healthy!
                      I tell only examples from my personal life, and not from the TV. By the way, the Yaran employment service will send you to an entrepreneur. who will constantly forget to pay the salary on time, and it will turn out to be less than he will promise. It seems that recently Western articles have been fashionable in which they constantly praise the self-aware.
                    3. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 22: 04 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      I am healthy!

                      There were more than a thousand such “healthy” ones on Bolotnaya.

                      Quote: Gardamir
                      By the way, the Yaran employment service will send you to an entrepreneur. who will constantly forget to pay the salary on time, and it will turn out to be less than he will promise.

                      I told you about the community. Create a community with fair business conduct, with good salaries and without pseudo-political fantasies.

                      Quote: Gardamir
                      It seems that recently Western articles have been fashionable in which they constantly praise the self-aware.

                      It seems to be baptized.
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        6. the polar
          the polar 12 September 2015 14: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          Putin is forced
          Firstly, Putin himself is a communist, so what kind of communists are you scolding? And Bohato, this is for Western loans, ask the homeless, how much is BoHat?

          Well, that’s enough for you, "Putin himself is a communist." He exchanged his party membership card for the "golden buns". Moreover, he was an officer of the KGB and took the oath to defend the socialist Motherland "to the last drop of blood", after which he wiped his boots on this oath and went to serve the dog and Yeltsin. This is a historical fact and you can’t get anywhere.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 12 September 2015 14: 52 New
            0
            Quote: Polar
            . Moreover, he was an officer of the KGB and took the oath to defend the socialist Motherland "to the last drop of blood", after which he wiped his boots on this oath and went to serve the dog and Yeltsin.

            And you do not allow the thought that it was simply introduced there?
            1. the polar
              the polar 12 September 2015 16: 08 New
              +4
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Quote: Polar
              . Moreover, he was an officer of the KGB and took the oath to defend the socialist Motherland "to the last drop of blood", after which he wiped his boots on this oath and went to serve the dog and Yeltsin.

              And you do not allow the thought that it was simply introduced there?

              Where is it implemented in kgb or something? Or in the Communist Party? Then the question is, Who implemented it?
              Expand your mind wider
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 12 September 2015 16: 57 New
                0
                Quote: Polar
                Where is it implemented in kgb or something? Or in the Communist Party? Then the question is, Who implemented it?
                Expand your mind wider

                Why would he infiltrate the KGB if everyone knows that there are no former “committee members”.
                At the expense of the CPSU, are you sure that Putin really quit the party? You did not ask yourself: why is our president not a member of any party? He is not even a member of EDR. How could a person positioning himself with the Communist Party be elected a presidential candidate (under Yeltsin)? Do you think he would be allowed to become president? Remember the all-powerful "family" at that time - it would not allow this.
                So everything speaks for the fact that Putin became president for a reason. There is an opinion that the oligarchs promoted him, but again - if Putin continued to remain in the Communist Party, then his candidacy would hardly have been considered by them. Therefore, there was a rumor that Putin left the party - otherwise there was no way to get to the authorities.
                But I am of the opinion that Putin’s rise to power is a very finely played combination of his colleagues in the “former” work.
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 17: 23 New
                  +2
                  Quote: SRC P-15
                  He is not even a member of EDR. How could a person positioning himself with the Communist Party be elected a presidential candidate (under Yeltsin)?

                  Look, think and come to understand why Putin is outside the parties and over the parties. wink

                2. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 12 September 2015 17: 48 New
                  0
                  Quote: SRC P-15
                  Therefore, there was a rumor that Putin left the party - otherwise there was no way to get to the authorities.

                  Quote: SRC P-15
                  But I am of the opinion that Putin’s rise to power is a very finely played combination of his colleagues in the “former” work.

                  Do you think "Mole" ?!
                  Are you really writing this? belay
                  http://to-name.ru/biography/vladimir-putin.htm
                  1. SRC P-15
                    SRC P-15 12 September 2015 18: 42 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Do you think "Mole" ?!

                    "Mole" is when they work for the enemy, and Putin worked and works for Russia! Feel the difference. The minus is not mine.
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 12 September 2015 18: 52 New
                    0
                    Quote: SRC P-15
                    and Putin worked and works for Russia!

                    I understood you.....
                    For some reason I thought so wink
              2. the polar
                the polar 12 September 2015 18: 47 New
                0
                Quote: SRC P-15
                Therefore, there was a rumor that Putin left the party - otherwise there was no way to get to the authorities.

                Are you all right with your health?
                1. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 12 September 2015 19: 01 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Polar
                  Are you all right with your health?

                  And what, do you earn extra money at your leisure as a doctor? what
                  Thank you, I somehow folk remedies ... drinks
                2. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 12 September 2015 19: 03 New
                  0
                  Quote: Polar
                  Are you all right with your health?

                  Comrade, believe me, there’s something else, simple to the mind .... lol
                3. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 12 September 2015 19: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Comrade, believe me, there’s something else, simple to the mind ....

                  That's for sure, especially after watching the video from your link. wink
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    2. efimich41
      efimich41 13 September 2015 14: 24 New
      0
      ask the homeless person how much he is BoHat?

      In the USSR, there were also homeless people and scourges. This is a person’s lifestyle. He likes it so much and everything suits him. It is useless to re-educate him, he tried it himself, the result is negative. Therefore, blaming Putin for the presence of homeless people is simply incorrect.
  2. the polar
    the polar 12 September 2015 13: 01 New
    +5
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
    And I will repeat it, as long as there are those who do not understand this.

    You are copying this paragraph from topic to topic, copying word for word for the hundredth time, like a parrot, because you feed from this, in the absence of another job?
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 12 September 2015 13: 09 New
      +6
      Quote: Polar
      You are copying this paragraph from topic to topic, copying word for word for the hundredth time, like a parrot, because you feed from this, in the absence of another job?

      good drinks
      he invigorates himself in this way laughing
      Sugar, sugar .., sugar ..., self-hypnosis ..., be careful, otherwise the thread will stick together wink
      But to explain the differences between GDP and DAM request
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 18: 20 New
        -2
        Quote: Stroporez
        Sugar, sugar .., sugar ..., self-hypnosis ..., be careful, otherwise the thread will stick together

        So you can not refute my words.

        Only you are angry against your country, citizen is embittered. It is with your rhetoric that color revolutions are created all over the world.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 12 September 2015 18: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          So you can not refute my words.

          And if you don’t accept arguments request laughing
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Only you are angry against your country

          Nonsense! Persons are not a Country.
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Citizen

          Labels ...., epithets ..., well ... well ...
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          It is with your rhetoric that color revolutions are created all over the world.

          Again rubbish .., Bolshevism-Stalinism-this is my political credo. yes
          Zy. Well, when do you reasonably distinguish between GDP and DAM?
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 19: 03 New
            -3
            Quote: Stroporez
            And if you do not accept the arguments laughing laugh

            That is, you again, how enchanted will you claim that the CPSU Central Committee were not communists? laughing

            Quote: Stroporez
            Again rubbish .., Bolshevism-Stalinism-this is my political credo.

            Your credo is to scold your country. Maidanut always do this. Yanukvich recently scolded ...

            Quote: Stroporez
            Well, when did you reasonably distinguish between GDP and DAM?

            By what criteria, by weight and size?
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    3. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 13: 17 New
      -6
      Quote: Polar
      You are copying this paragraph from topic to topic, copying word for word for the hundredth time, like a parrot, because you feed from this, in the absence of another job?

      I formulated this paragraph on my own, first typed it with pens, then began to COPY as if it did not reach you. And even if I fed, defending my country, which I do, that would be right. But unlike liberoid nits, fed by the State Department, I write this on a voluntary basis.
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        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 17: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Polar
          Well, you are protecting not a country, but a specific character, and these are two "big differences".

          It is the country. Selling brainless TWICE already in the last century destroyed it.

          Quote: Polar
          But Medvedev, Naibulin, Rotenbergs, Kudrin, Chubais, Gaidar, Shuvalov, Gref, Vekselberg, Yakunin, the hunger, Serdyukov, Sobchak dad, are they liberoid nits or what?

          So, once again ... "In 1991, corrupt brainless communists dismembered the USSR ..." © VseDoFeNi
          How tight it reaches you. laughing

          People, well, at least write a chronology of events on a piece of paper for clarity. laughing
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 12 September 2015 17: 55 New
            +3
            in the last century it was destroyed.
            This century is constant. in addition to eat, there are such things as culture, traditions. Around the dominance of the American language, people simply no longer notice. Their holidays. But what do you explain you live with a belly BoHato, but the soul of the Putriots does not care.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 18: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              This century is constant. in addition to eat, there are such things as culture, traditions.

              Create a community. Instead of treading the loaves, get down to business.



              Quote: Gardamir
              But what do you explain you live with a belly BoHato, but the soul of the Putriots does not care.

              How do you know how I live? You do not care about the soul more than others, you are offended by your belly, well-fed, but it seems to you deprived. You have no idea that it’s not a shame for someone who is being offended, but for someone who considers himself offended.

              Quote: Gardamir
              Around the dominance of the American language, people simply no longer notice.

              You recall how this dominance began and when exactly in Viskuly one document was signed? wink I told you - make a chronology on a piece of paper. laughing
            2. Dry_T-50
              Dry_T-50 12 September 2015 19: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              the soul of the putriots does not care.

              Patriots will tolerate any excesses for the good of the Motherland, and not arrange Maidan.
              We, the Soviet generation, already exhausted material, ourselves broke our fates when we exchanged our country for food in the 1991 year. Maybe we won’t break the fates of our future, our children?
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            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 20: 10 New
              -3
              Quote: Polar
              and answer loud and distinctly, Medvedev, Naibulin, Rotenberg, Kudrin, Chubais, Gaidar, Shuvalov, Gref, Vekselberg, Yakunin, the hunger, Serdyukov, Sobchak dad, are they liberoid nits or who?

              Once again, nits are those who dismembered the USSR in 1991 and made it possible for today's nits to come to power.
        2. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 12 September 2015 19: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Polar
          But Medvedev, Naibulin, Rotenbergs, Kudrin, Chubais, Gaidar, Shuvalov, Gref, Vekselberg, Yakunin, the hunger, Serdyukov, Sobchak dad, are they liberoid nits or what?

          Nits: But open nits are much less dangerous than nits mowing down as patriots and preparing for a color revolution in Moscow
          1. the polar
            the polar 13 September 2015 10: 32 New
            +1
            So, in your opinion, only nits gathered in Moscow, open nits + hidden nits-patriots, and above them our great and adored Mr. Guarantor Putin soared. One like a finger. And somewhere deep below, in a fog, something like the rest of the Russian people looms.
            You urgently need to cast in granite.
  3. andrew42
    andrew42 12 September 2015 13: 08 New
    +5
    1) "This suggests that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay." 2) "many of which were purchased with overpayment on credit." You yourself realized that the contradiction in your thesis? They don’t live from a large income on credit :)
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 13: 18 New
      -4
      Quote: andrew42
      They don’t live from a large income on credit :)

      From big stupidity. There is money to repay the loan and purchase with an overbought, but there is no mind to save and buy.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 13 September 2015 06: 14 New
        -1
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Quote: andrew42
        They don’t live from a large income on credit :)

        From big stupidity. There is money to repay the loan and purchase with an overbought, but there is no mind to save and buy.

        What, citizens are minusers, they have picked up loans themselves, but are you minusting the minuses? laughing
        So this only confirms my words about your mental. Well done! Keep it up! laughing
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    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 21: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Kuzyakin15
      Whom do you think the Communists say that everything ... is it?

      The Communist differed from the non-Communist only in the presence of a party card and nothing more. Accordingly, the entire Central Committee of the CPSU, all regional, township, republican, etc., etc. bodies of the CPSU were communists. The honor of them, and not small, was corrupt and brainless. This is clear?
      And whether someone likes my words or not, the tenth thing, I’m telling the truth, only the truth and nothing but the truth. At least sincerely try to do it.
  • SPACE
    SPACE 12 September 2015 08: 00 New
    0
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Hey, everyone! It turns out Putin and the team are acting for the good of Russia and its people, that is, you and me.

    These croaking clowns are so stupid ... that even Crimea is not enough for them to understand this simple truth. And Crimea is not ours bad, and the price of oil and the ruble has fallen in your pocket, it’s also crap and Crimea is no longer needed. These imbalances do not even notice the cognitive dissonance tearing their manuals, templates, faith. But Baba Yaga, even without intruding, is still against Putin, what to do is the meaning of their meaningless existence under the rim of the toilet bowl.
    1. Schulz
      Schulz 12 September 2015 08: 36 New
      -4
      Quote: SPACE

      These croaking clowns are so stupid ... that even Crimea is not enough for them to understand this simple truth. And Crimea is not ours bad, and the price of oil and the ruble has fallen in your pocket, it’s also crap and Crimea is no longer needed.

      Hey, thinker, what did people say to Putin: “Vladimir Vladimirovich, let's take the Crimea, but there’s no way to grow grass! If something happens, we will starve to death and wear clothes for older brothers if you need to do this?”
      Well, about the fact that wars are declared and territories join in order for the country to benefit and prosper, I will not even speak to such an expert. This is all probably, only for the "mattress" is applicable. It's because they are fighting, overthrowing and occupying to boost their economy. Why is this for Russia? After all, everyone knows that Russia has a “special way”.
      1. hrych
        hrych 12 September 2015 09: 37 New
        +7
        Quote: Schulz
        that wars are declared and territories join in order for the country to benefit and prosper


        Territories join in and wars are not waged to saturate hail even more, but for example (08.08.08) to take control of the fortress wall thousands of kilometers high, like the Caucasus Range, so that the enemy’s army could not freely enter the plains of our country, where our political and economic centers and the main population are concentrated, and more wars are fought to control the sea from a huge island, so that the enemy’s army could not calmly piracy at the same centers. And there are also millions of people who have shared the same DNA with us and who have been building our civilization for thousands of years, and with the stroke of a pen find themselves in the grip of an enemy who has prepared them for slavery with genocide and sometimes wars are waged to save and return them. There are religious wars, there are wars for independence, there are dynastic wars. There are many kinds of wars. And far not all for the sake of profit.
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    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 12 September 2015 12: 49 New
      +5
      Crimea is not enough for them
      If our Crimea name at least one Russian bank present in the territory of Crimea, the terminals do not count. And that they decided to exchange Crimea for Transbaikalia, only idiots can talk about rent.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 14: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: Gardamir
        And that they decided to exchange Crimea for Transbaikalia, only idiots can talk about rent.

        I here many times gave a link to a petition to Putin AGAINST the transfer of these lands for rent. Have you signed up for it?
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 12 September 2015 14: 13 New
          +2
          Have you signed up for it?
          Yes! And spread further.
    4. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 13: 23 New
      0
      Quote: SPACE
      These clowning clowns are so dumb ...

      Their name is Legion. This is an ideal clay for sculpting maidanutyh.
      It’s just a crowd.

      By definition of V.G. Belinsky:

      «A crowd is a collection of people living according to tradition and reasoning according to authority ...»

      The main quality of the crowd is unwillingness and inability to think independently and come to opinions that correspond to the real state of affairs and the direction of the course of events.


      They do not know how and do not want to think, and here they poke in minuses. Morons, sir.
      1. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 12 September 2015 20: 03 New
        -2
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Their name is Legion. This is an ideal clay for sculpting maidanutyh.
        It’s just a crowd.

        Yeah, consider themselves Lenins and Kirovs

        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        They do not know how and do not want to think, and here they poke in minuses.

        It’s true that apparently they’re very used to the USSR and the Soviet way of life. Such people should often poke a physiognomy on the toilet so that they don’t particularly clever
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Morons, sir.

        Biomass, her mother, sir.
    5. andrew42
      andrew42 12 September 2015 13: 29 New
      +5
      Crimea is an asset. A strategic asset that can only be re-calculated empirically in finance, and even then in the long run. The military security of the state is an axiom of ensuring economic development. It has been so for thousands of years, and it will be so. This asset has now been returned. And thank God that we could afford it, and the moment was successful - the former "holder" of the asset, which he got free then (Ukradina) - actually started the "liquidation of the enterprise." If you don’t know how to use someone else’s good, and even use it in order to destroy the donor (to give Crimea to NATO), blame yourself. And there is nothing to whine about what Crimea costs. As much as needed. Crimea is a military fortress, and its attitude should be the same as the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation.
  • Schulz
    Schulz 12 September 2015 08: 17 New
    +4
    Quote: Kos_kalinki9
    And very, very glad that they act. But so far only in the defense industry, at the direct direction of the President and under his personal control.

    Great for you (for such "non-sepals") it turns out. As something positive happens in the country, then of course Putin’s merit is in this. After all, he is not some sort of "hired manager", as in puppet Europe. Not to mention America. A figure comparable in scale to De Gaulle, Peter the Great and Alexander Nevsky.
    But if something bad happened in the country (like Serdyukov / Vasilyeva, theft on the East or the fall of the ruble), then the brilliant Putin seems to have nothing to do with it. It all turns out to be a "liberal government", unprincipled oligarchs and others, to blame. And Putin: “he can’t keep track of everything,” “forced to look around,” and as one analyst genius wrote, “an ordinary lumberjack”.
    You already decide on Putin, who is he? A figure or so, "went out for a walk"?
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 12 September 2015 08: 43 New
      +3
      In fact, the overstatement of products at state-owned enterprises several times does indeed exist and this is due to the "tricky" position of these enterprises themselves. If you look at it, then all defense enterprises are not actually unitary, and through various "tricky" schemes belong to at least one or several intermediary organizations that do nothing, but simply shear money from the enterprise, in addition to such forms of ownership as OJSC, CJSC - the lion's share of the profit goes to the "owners" of blocks of shares that have nothing to do with the enterprise, and are sitting somewhere in Cyprus, Seychelles ... and in Moscow. And these "owners" must live according to the "highest" standard. Hence the price increase. But this is on the one hand. On the other hand, I want to eat well for the heads of the enterprise itself and they create, already inside the enterprise, all sorts of cunning schemes of interconnection, mutual settlements, etc. of individual links of the enterprise itself in order to "cut" money in your pocket here too. Well, for example, some "empty" workshop of a cunning office is for sale, and then this workshop is already rented from it. Or a road is being built inside the enterprise, but this road is no longer the property of the enterprise itself and the company pays for the use of this road to some "cunning" company. There are many different schemes to "cut" the budget. And all this affects the final cost of production.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 13: 00 New
        -4
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        In fact, the overstatement of products at state-owned enterprises several times does indeed exist and this is due to the "tricky" position of these enterprises themselves.

        And again we will return to 1991, when, having divided the USSR, we changed the system from socialism to capitalism.



        And they seized our industry for the benefit of the West.

      2. the polar
        the polar 12 September 2015 13: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        There are many different schemes to "cut" the budget. And all this affects the final cost of production.

        In fact of the matter. And everyone knows this, including Mr. Rogozin, who has solid blocks of shares in the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, and Mr. Guarantor Putin knows about this for sure.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 18: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Polar
          In fact of the matter.

          Sir is a budget cut specialist? laughing
    2. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 12 September 2015 09: 17 New
      0
      For Schulz. And here is your lie. I wrote about healthy criticism, including the actions of the President. You apparently did not pay attention. Well, the fact that the government operates in a "manual" control is an obvious fact. And it is also outraged in relation to Vasilyeva and Taburetkin.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 12 September 2015 09: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: Schulz
      You already decide on Putin, who is he? A figure or so, "went out for a walk"?

      Putin is a man, just like you and I. The only difference is that this person is doing something for the country, but do not criticize him. A puppet man can only cause pity or, at worst, a grin that you can never do in regarding GDP. And for all, no matter how you try, you won’t be good anyway. Put Serdyukov, Vasiliev, solve issues with the Mistrals and deal with Vostochny cosmodrome is not his direct responsibility, for this there are completely different people who get Putin needs this or that ... Guys, do you think that all issues in the country, from drunken plumbers to the country's defense, should be decided by ONE person.
      I do not defend Putin, but I do not blame him. One I know for sure that this person makes the history of the world, and that he is a person, unlike many who talk about failures in the country.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 12 September 2015 09: 43 New
        +6
        It is a pity that there is only one +. Weighted, reasonable opinion.
    4. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 13: 30 New
      -4
      Quote: Schulz
      And Putin: “he can’t keep track of everything,” “forced to look around,” and as one analyst genius wrote, “an ordinary lumberjack”.
      You already decide on Putin, who is he?

      Putin is neither a goldfish nor a god. And Putin is not even a Balu bear, whom the banderlogs "almost torn into a thousand little cubs." Even being torn into 140 million parts, he would not keep track of each of the 140 million inhabitants of Russia. And there are also adversaries, whom Putin must also follow ...
    5. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 12 September 2015 20: 16 New
      -1
      Quote: Schulz
      But if something bad happened in the country (like Serdyukov / Vasilyeva, theft on the East or the fall of the ruble), then the brilliant Putin seems to have nothing to do with it.

      Under Stalin, who was very beloved here, there were also Tukhachevsky / Vlasov / Khrushchev, but they adore him now.
      Do you still decide whether Russia is a mate or not? If you mate, you will have to adapt to the Western system in order to survive. ), and Maidan on Red Square threatens with the final collapse of Russia. Demography, sir, and people will protest against military communism
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 12 September 2015 22: 29 New
        +1
        It’s interesting that you have virtually put Kadyrov to the presidency. He would have ministers in the ring every day so that he could run away from the government. In general, there is something to it. Already one order imposed in the republic is expensive.
  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 12 September 2015 09: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: Kos_kalinki9
    And very, very glad that they act.

    But still not enough, it would be better!
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 12 September 2015 10: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Oleg147741
      But still not enough, it would be better!

      That's what I'm talking about. More and more in the defense industry, which is certainly good, because if you do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else’s, but agriculture? And industry? And housing and communal services?
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 13: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        and agriculture? and industry? And housing and communal services?

        You remind with whom it all began ??? fool laughing laughing laughing
        PEOPLE !!! Well, when do you start thinking with your head ??? wassat
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 12 September 2015 11: 43 New
    +1
    Well .. than we can ... request
  • VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 12: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Kos_kalinki9
    I’m not an all-rounder, I am for healthy criticism.

    And for healthy praise? Scolding out and liberals trying tirelessly, but for foreign grants.
    Scolding the Russian Empire, the prison of nations, etc., it was successfully destroyed in 1917, and then a sea of ​​more than ten million of our citizens was shed by the people's blood.
    Scolding the USSR, corruption, the shadow economy, etc., it was successfully dismembered in 1991, then Chechnya, Georgia unleashed a war against us, the Balts joined us in NATO, Ukraine is trying to drag us into the third world war.

    Something like that.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 12 September 2015 08: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Hey, everyone! It turns out Putin and the team are acting for the good of Russia and its people, that is, you and me.
    Yes, yes, and the economic bloc of the government, and even the Central Bank.

    Look at the structure of budget revenues, as we were dependent on oil and gas revenues, we are still dependent on it. This is a global understanding of the problems of the economy.
    Yes, the country had a respite, population incomes increased, but the problems didn’t go away and they became even greater. All of the country's successes are more likely associated not with the economic genius of the government, but with higher prices for resources.
    Where industry plays a leading role, there is economic growth even in times of crisis.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 13: 42 New
      -2
      Quote: APASUS
      Look at the structure of budget revenues, as we were dependent on oil and gas revenues, we are still dependent

      You, too, recall how the problems of Russia and the rest of the CIS began, and how did it come about and from what? Remind about Friendship-2, Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod? ..

      Quote: APASUS
      This is a global understanding of the problems of the economy.

      But what about the economic war unleashed by the West against Russia?

      Quote: APASUS
      All the successes of the country are rather associated not with the economic genius of the government, but with an increase in the price of resources.

      And why do other countries of oil exporters not succeed in raising prices? smile

      Quote: APASUS
      Where industry plays a leading role, there is economic growth even in times of crisis.

      Truth. truth? That is, you believe that the constancy of the growth of something in a closed system is normal?



      We will soon squeeze out and die a planet with the constant growth of ICanomics.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 12 September 2015 12: 39 New
    +1
    It turns out Putin and the team are acting for the good of Russia and its people, that is, you and me.

    Yes, yes, and the economic bloc of the government, and even the Central Bank.
    But why is it visible from Argentina?
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 13: 46 New
      +1
      Patamushta - “Big is seen in the distance” (C) S. Yesenin.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 12 September 2015 06: 08 New
    +2
    Sergei Chemezov, a former colonel general who enjoys Putin’s personal confidence, has been appointed head of the state corporation.


    Where such people are placed there serious business is planned.

    But whose man is MEDVEDEV and his team ??? I doubt Putin?

    And to sing that everything is fine, beautiful marquise ... heh heh, I would beware .... the example with SERDYUKOV clearly showed that on the way to the goal you can break firewood mom do not worry.
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 12 September 2015 07: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: The same Lech
      But whose man is MEDVEDEV and his team ??? I doubt Putin?

      But did Medvedev come from St. Petersburg with GDP?
      Quote: The same Lech
      And to sing that all is well beautiful marquise ... hehe heh I would beware ....the example with SERDYUKOV clearly showed that on the way to the goal you can break firewood mom do not cry.
      the example of Serdyukov is just differently directed. He and his team broke a lot of things, but he did a lot of useful things.
    2. Schulz
      Schulz 12 September 2015 07: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      Sergei Chemezov, a former colonel general who enjoys Putin’s personal confidence, has been appointed head of the state corporation.


      Where such people are placed there serious business is planned.

      Can you tell me about the previous achievements of "such" people? That would not only you, but I could be happy for them.

      The corporation includes more than 663 organizations with 475 thousand employees.

      “We managed to enter the top ten largest companies in the world. We are planning to take the fifth place in the world by 2035, and I am sure that we can do it, ”said Rostec's head of communications service Vasily Brovko.

      So you transfer ALL enterprises in Russia to this wonderful state corporation and you can take fifth place even before 2035.

      The average salary is low by Western standards (50 thousand rubles,

      Incidentally, Chemezov’s own salary is not included in this “average” salary?
      Why didn’t they write easier: the turner's salary is 47 tr, the salary of an engineer is 53 tr? Yes, because they will immediately ask: “Why, why? Some of such a turner have 47, and an engineer has 53 TR. Show me some notes. Even I doubt very much!”
      Therefore, they write - "average".
      1. Slavin
        Slavin 12 September 2015 08: 13 New
        +5
        +++ From Argentina everything seems prettier
      2. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 12 September 2015 08: 19 New
        +10
        The Minister is eating meat.
        Locksmith eats cabbage.
        And in the AVERAGE, they eat STEWS.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 12 September 2015 12: 57 New
      +5
      But whose man is MEDVEDEV and his team ??? I doubt Putin?
      why can’t you swear. I’ve recently posted a video about one team.
  • znorick
    znorick 12 September 2015 08: 59 New
    +5
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Hey, everyone! It turns out Putin and the team are acting for the good of Russia and its people, that is, you and me.

    Yes, yes, and the economic bloc of the government, and even the Central Bank.


    Those. when the Central Bank raises the key rate to 17%, and only currency speculation becomes profitable, when the tax maneuver creates unbearable conditions for petrochemical production, it remains only to raise prices within the country (yes, gasoline and diesel fuel prices), when there is a total reduction in the social sector and at the same time, 9 trillion rubles are idle in the treasury when they reformed to the point that they closed rural schools of the type because of unprofitability - THIS IS ALL, YOU, FOR THE SIR? (There are many more examples of outright betrayal)
    You are either blind or do not live in Russia !!!
    PS I support Putin - he is an excellent strategist, but "his" team is a rabble of liberal killers. The government, in addition to the power ministers and the Foreign Ministry, Medinsky, can also be left — resigned, urgently! Putin has an adviser - Glazyev, Doctor of Economics, a professional - at the head of the government, and let him choose for himself a team that will save Russia.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 12 September 2015 12: 58 New
      +1
      he is a great strategist, but "his" team -
      What a strategist, such a team.
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 13: 49 New
      0
      Quote: znorick
      Those. when the Central Bank raises the key rate to 17%

      You need to explain what will happen to our economy a year after the Central Bank lowers the dollar to 10 rubles and the rate to zero?
    3. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 12 September 2015 20: 21 New
      -2
      Quote: znorick
      Putin has an adviser - Glazyev, Doctor of Economics, a professional - at the head of the government, and let him choose for himself

      Walk the forest. To see, the experience of the planned economy of the USSR does not teach anything.
      What kind of people are they that do not even learn from their mistakes?
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  • akudr48
    akudr48 12 September 2015 09: 13 New
    +3
    "Revival of the military-industrial complex of Russia"

    I wonder who killed the military-industrial complex of Russia.

    Are not the very people who are now reviving the damned liberal caste of thieves and looters?
    They received huge personal benefits in the destruction of the military-industrial complex, and now, through a cut-roll-drift, they seem to be reviving.

    And before you revive, you should punish those who destroyed. Then it will be good.

    Otherwise, we will destroy and revive, as in bad infinity, while the people will degrade, and the country will lose historical time ...
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 13: 53 New
      -1
      Quote: akudr48
      I wonder who killed the military-industrial complex of Russia.

      You ask yourself - Who killed the USSR?
  • Talgat
    Talgat 12 September 2015 09: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: akudr48
    I wonder who killed the military-industrial complex of Russia.
    Is it not the very people who are reviving now,


    The military-industrial complex didn’t suffer from the action of any defense ministers or the leaders of the complex - it was a systemic “death” as a result of the betrayal of Gorbachev Shevardnadze and their team and the destruction of the USSR

    That military industrial complex simply could not survive - and even the names of the smaller jackals "gnawing a corpse" are not important - all the same, under those conditions of Yeltsin’s collapse, everything would fall apart

    Now it’s clear to the “hedgehog” that completely different people came to power, and Putin, Shoigu, Sergey Ivanov, Lavrov, Bortnikovs with the Patrushevs, etc. are not the Gaidars and the Nemtsovs and Chubaisamy Yeltsins.
    1. onix757
      onix757 12 September 2015 16: 39 New
      +3
      it was a systemic “death” as a result of the betrayal of Gorbachev Shevardnadze and their team and the destruction of the USSR

      Someone is in no hurry to stop this systemic death. During the reign of the “adored” more enterprises disappeared than under ebn
      1. Talgat
        Talgat 13 September 2015 11: 33 New
        0
        I do not idealize GDP and its team, but it is obvious that they did not make decisions on collapse and destruction

        This is the inertia adopted by the team of Yeltsin liberals decision

        Therefore, from the first year of arrival, GDP simply could not physically stop this inertia. But when they "deployed" we all clearly see the restoration of the military-industrial complex and the armed forces
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 12 September 2015 10: 06 New
    +5
    Gentlemen and comrades. Recently, the Higher School of Economics has either raised the gross national product to heaven or persuaded it not to stand on ceremony in expressions. Let's not be likened to people who look at everything in black or white. The prosecutor’s office, the FSB ECONOMIC SERVICE and so on, the same can be said about Manka bonds (that is, about Vasilyeva). According to the Mistrals, there is a state department, Moscow region, etc., whose duties include the resolution of such issues, the same story on the East ... A man accusing Putin of of all mortal sins ... maybe the President can do your job and do your job, or sit behind the wheel for you and earn more than you get? It happened to us that we blame one person for everything, not thinking that he just a Man who can be mistaken, doubt, think ...
    If you talk about the incompetence and corrupt nature of an official, sit in his place and do better. Can this anger, personal insults and elementary stupid gloating be enough? Maybe everyone just needs to work well, and then there will be less stories with Serdyukov, East and Sakhalin governor- a thief? If everyone begins to do their job without looking at the other, the country will rise much earlier and become prosperous.
    Criticism is good when you know and understand the subject matter, and not one of those present knows the whole truth.
    I am not for or against Putin, but I remember the 90s and look at what is happening now, and just make a conclusion that it has become better. Which means Putin is doing his job well ... otherwise it would not be Russia but a bunch of secession now republics and autonomies.
    My regards hi
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 12 September 2015 13: 05 New
      +2
      sit in his place
      I’ll go from Monday to the place of Minister of Culture.
      a bunch of separated republics and autonomies.
      I have the impression that Chechnya has never joined us, the autonomous president with his army, and presidential spells about a multinational country will play a role in the future.
    2. onix757
      onix757 12 September 2015 16: 30 New
      +4
      The story of Serdyukov should be decided by the Prosecutor's Office, the FSB, the ECONOMIC SERVICE, etc., the same can be said about Manka bonds (that is, about Vasilyeva)

      Everything has already been decided without us.
  • roskot
    roskot 12 September 2015 10: 22 New
    0
    The flywheel of the state, albeit with a creak, but began to spin. Therefore, Ukraine caught fire and sanctions to contain Russia are included. But Russia is no longer the turn of the 2000s. Therefore, the screech is worth it. And we would like that all at once. This does not happen.
  • akudr48
    akudr48 12 September 2015 12: 19 New
    +5
    Quote: Talgat
    Now it’s clear to the “hedgehog” that completely different people came to power,


    Hedgehog m. and it’s understandable, but the Russian people do not understand. And a mobile phone with a used Hyundai can’t get off here.
    Outwardly, other people came, and poverty, as it was, has remained, for 15 years of unprecedented dollar gas and oil abundance in Russia's history.
    The rich - get rich, the poor - get poorer, if you look at the situation without illusions.

    Since people in power, in power and in power are all the same from Yeltsin’s grandfather, although they are not always similar by last name, but in essence, loyal liberals, naibulins, urinsons, ulyukemy, kudrins, chuybasy, little-mereds are still , Friedman, Deripaska with Rotenbergs that joined them.

    And it’s not Shoigu with Bortnikov who runs the money, and even more so not Lavrov.

    The worst thing is that after sitting at the trough of about 20 years, having filled their own pockets, they are going to continue to remain at the trough. None of them will depart. Slightly only sanctions are strained due to the difficulties of acclimatization in the west with the stolen. But this is not for everyone. The rest of Londongrad will accept ...

    The management vertical with the horizontal is so ossified and shaken, it works on itself, that now it can only fall apart on its own.

    This vertical is not at all a pity, but the collapse of the vertical can overwhelm Russia, since all the country's safety systems, in the sense of an alternative to rowers, are destroyed or strangled.

    This is the problem.
    1. onix757
      onix757 12 September 2015 16: 15 New
      +6
      The worst thing is that there has been a substitution of values. What was accessible under the Union now leaves the lion's share of the population’s income, and social goods have been replaced by consumer goods and, moreover, they are poked by these people.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 12 September 2015 13: 21 New
    +5
    Firstly, something recently, many articles appeared overseas, where Russia and personally Vladimir Vladimirovich are constantly praised. Aren't you all shouting here, "if we are scolded abroad, then we are doing everything right"? Inconsistent and looks like double standards.
    God bless them with foreign ones. You gentlemen, what are you measuring? Everything is 90mi, and there is nothing more to compare with something, forget the liberal propaganda of the 90s, it turns out that we lived in the USSR much better than now. You, Putin’s supporters, you don’t agree to admit that then the sanctions against the USSR were tougher than against today's Russia, but you got it. The dominance of communist ideology, you say, means you like house-2 more. And back in 1985-87 I was working on a computer, so we wouldn’t have killed the USSR, if we had sat at our computers.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 18: 57 New
      -2
      Quote: Gardamir
      Firstly, something recently, many articles appeared overseas, where Russia and personally Vladimir Vladimirovich are constantly praised.

      Not the State Department praises the case?

      Quote: Gardamir
      Aren't you all shouting here, "if we are scolded abroad, then we are doing everything right"?

      Whether we, whether we shouted about the West. That is, Western officials.

      Quote: Gardamir
      that in the USSR we lived much better than now

      Let's define in terms so that there are no misunderstandings.
      And do not forget who destroyed it in 1991.

      Quote: Gardamir
      that then the sanctions against the USSR were tougher than against today's Russia, but they got out.

      There were, but the USSR had FULL sovereignty, and did not print rubles under dollars. The USSR had 15 republics, and not one. The USSR had much more that was deprived of its dismemberment in 1991. Well, this is OBVIOUS !!! It is simply unbelievable that such simple things do not reach you!
      It’s the same as comparing a division with a regiment! Don't you really understand that Russia is a PART of the former USSR ???
  • onix757
    onix757 12 September 2015 15: 06 New
    +5
    How can there be a revival at 2% of global GDP? For comparison, the USSR has never been less than 30
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 19: 48 New
      0
      Quote: onix757
      How can there be a revival at 2% of global GDP? For comparison, the USSR has never been less than 30

      The whole USSR, ALL 15 republics.
      In 1990, the Soviet Union delivered $ 58 billion to 16 countries around the world, with real income of several hundred million dollars.


      One Russia without the remaining 14 republics.
      “According to last year’s results, the export of Russian military products exceeded $ 15,5 billion; over the past three years, it has been stably at this mark. Russia confidently takes the second place in the list of world leaders in the supply of weapons, military equipment, and this, of course, is a major achievement in such a complex and dynamically developing market. According to international institutions, the United States takes first place, they have 31 percent of the market, Russia is in second place, as I said, 27 percent of the market. All other participants are noticeably behind. "
  • iouris
    iouris 12 September 2015 17: 27 New
    +2
    The main question is "revival of the military-industrial complex" occurs on what technological basis: own or through the procurement of critical technologies, machine tools and equipment, as well as products (components and components) in the West?
    For example, are hard drives for PCs or smartphones for presidents made in Russia? What operating system are used in state institutions of the Russian Federation?
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 17: 46 New
      -3
      Quote: iouris
      or through procurement of critical technologies, machines and equipment,

      GAZ to remind who built us? WHA?

      Quote: iouris
      What operating system are used in state institutions of the Russian Federation?

      Through the efforts of pirates, we have spawned Windows admin-coekaker.
      You will now be able to deliver you an open source office package, but you will howl after the small-scale office package, which infuriates me, by the way, starting from 2007.

      But more importantly, the same Sukhoi began to make civilian aircraft. That is, military technology went into the national economy.
      1. the polar
        the polar 12 September 2015 19: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        That is, military technology went into the national economy.

        Aha ha! Are you sick or have you had this since childhood?
        What "national economy" did you find in the liberal-capitalist economy?
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 12 September 2015 19: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Polar
          What "national economy" did you find in the liberal-capitalist economy?

          What is the economy?