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The “united” Europe makes mutually exclusive statements, thereby confirming that it has no strategy regarding the Middle East and is not expected in the near future. German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier does not allow military intervention in Syria by “partners” (Russia, France, Great Britain), while British Prime Minister David Cameron, on the contrary, calls for “hard” use of “military force”, arguing that "Assad must go."


In addition to Assad, the warlike Mr. Cameron is ready to drive out of Syria and the "Islamic State." Such military tasks to solve - do not shoot defenseless deer, but in the end, it’s not Cameron himself who is going to die in the Middle East. And he will have to pay for this military holiday not from his own pocket.

Speaking on Wednesday in parliament, David Cameron said that in Syria, it would probably be necessary to use "hard military force." The prime minister specified his plans, explaining to whom this force could be applied. “Assad must go. ISIS must go. And what may be needed if necessary is a tough military force ", - quotes Cameron Sputnik Moldova.

Cameron is no accident pushing fiery speeches in front of deputies. The British government has previously requested a mandate to conduct a military operation in Syria (against ISIL), but parliamentarians voted against. However, Mr. Cameron is able to deftly bypass the decisions of deputies: in August, Sputnik reminds, London still carried out an operation with the help of the UAV to destroy the IG militants of British origin.

Cameron’s desire to bomb the IG, along with Assad, clarifies something when it comes to refugees. It turns out that Cameron is not in solidarity with the "united Europe", and with the UN too. This man rejected calls by the EU and the UN to accept more refugees into the country. According to him, the granting of asylum to an increasing number of refugees will not solve the problem. What will solve it? Cameron believes that "establishing peace and stability" in the region itself.

Well, he plans to establish “peace and stability” in unhappy Syria by uprooting the “IS” and the forces of Bashar al-Assad there simultaneously.

The plan, of course, is strange, because hundreds of thousands of refugees will rush to Europe from bombings and missile strikes. And United Europe is fundamentally disagreeing with Cameron. Not that the Europeans rallied around Assad, but they do not smile at war with him and accept endless migrants.

As you know, the decisive voice of Europe is the voice of Germany.

Speaking on the same Wednesday in the Bundestag, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said that additional military intervention in Syria by “important partners” (Great Britain, France and Russia) is now unacceptable.

"It is impossible for the important partners we need to be put on the military map and once again destroy the possibility of reaching a solution through negotiations that first arose," the minister said. RIA News".

“Especially since I’m watching with some frustration today news a picture when Britain and France declare their readiness to intensify military intervention, and Russia, according to press reports, is ready to increase arms deliveries to Syria compared to the past for known purposes, ”said Steinmeier.

“We should not miss the chance of a settlement in Syria for either political or moral reasons,” he added.

As for the increase in Russian activity in Syria, a comment was received from the Russian Foreign Ministry on this topic.

Russia supplies military equipment to Syria in full compliance with international law, explained Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.

“We have never made a secret of military-technical cooperation with Syria,” she quotes. TASS. - We have long been supplying Syria with weapons and military equipment. We do this in accordance with existing contracts and in full accordance with international law. ”



“I can repeat once again that if additional measures are needed from our side in the interest of building up the antiterrorist struggle, then, of course, these issues will be further considered, but exclusively on the basis of international law and Russian legislation,” she said.

In addition, Zakharova confirmed that Russian military specialists are working in Syria: “I can confirm and repeat that there are Russian military specialists in Syria who are helping to master the incoming equipment.”

Also in the evening of September 9, on the website of the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation, a message appeared on S. Lavrov's telephone conversation with US Secretary of State D. Kerry. The conversation took place on the initiative of the American side.

"The focus was on the issue of resolving the conflict in Syria, the path to which, in accordance with the Geneva communiqué of 30 June 2012, is through the establishment of a dialogue between the UAR government and the opposition," the press service of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. - S. V. Lavrov reiterated the need for consolidated resistance to terrorist groups that captured a large part of Syrian territory and threaten international security, the main burden of which is dealt with by the regular Syrian army. ”

It is further noted that during the conversation "some other issues on the international agenda and Russian-American relations" were discussed.

Thus, Lavrov unambiguously made it clear to his American colleague about the need for "consolidated resistance." And he recalled that the "burden of struggle" with the Islamists "is borne by the regular Syrian army." This means, we believe that consolidation of efforts without the participation of the Syrian armed forces is not possible for Russia. But it is precisely to this that Washington is trying to persuade Moscow, wanting to connect it to its “coalition”, whose stated goal is to fight against “IG”, and the hidden goal is the overthrow of B. Assad. Moscow, of course, will not make such deals with a “partner”. American political duplicity with Russian politicians will soon be causing allergies.

As for Mr. Cameron, he undoubtedly plays the Anglo-Saxon dude on the notes of the White House. Germany, however, pretends to be an independent player in the geopolitical arena - in particular, it is not the first time when Herr Steinmeier makes peace-loving diplomatic statements. It is possible that he is counting on the Nobel Peace Prize. Or maybe, to the place of the chancellor (Angela Merkel, generously donating billions of euros of migrants, in the east of Germany earned the nickname "Traitor").

But whatever the Germans and the British may say, the decision will remain with the White House. As you know, Obama is left to sit on the throne for just over a year. Therefore, we can safely assume that it will not expand the military operations of the “coalition” in Syria in order to “leave” Assad. In the end, one of the contenders for the chair in the Oval Office is Hillary Clinton. The copyright to the slogan "Assad must go" belongs to her. So, she and implement bloody plans in life. Obama will quietly write memoirs at this time.

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  1. Darkmor
    Darkmor 12 September 2015 06: 05 New
    +47
    My fifth point very persistently tells me that the intensification of our actions in Syria has been coordinated with the United States.
    Naturally, not officially - otherwise the United States would lose face. But how brazenly we act and how weakly the state establishment makes us think. The United States is by no means weaklings in the political arena; they have a bunch of ways to answer us, right down to military intervention in the conflict zone. And we are clearly shifting the balance of power in the Middle East - this simply cannot be ignored ... unless it is a general plan.
    Indeed, in fact, resolving the Syrian conflict in the hands of the United States will weaken ISIS. Yes, they would like to overthrow Assad - but apparently they realized that they are not able to solve both issues (Assad will fall, ISIS will strengthen). Therefore, they asked (allowed) the Russian Federation to intervene - i.e. solve one of the problems created by their own hands, with the help of someone else's power.
    But the Russian Federation clearly does not expect to give a free gift to the United States (which, moreover, will cost a lot of money for the transfer of troops and equipment) - otherwise we would not have ignored their coalition to combat ISIS for so long. So we will get something in return ... The only thing that comes to mind from the urgent is Ukraine.
    Maybe there was an agreement that we are helping with Iran and are clearing Syria from ISIS, so that these countries will suppress terrorists in Iraq and Libya. And the United States does not bother us in Ukraine.
    This, by the way, would also be in the US’s favor - because would allow to get out of the lost conflict, saving face. The EU would also be pleased.
    As if, everyone is happy - well, except for the government of Ukraine and ISIS, which do not care.
    And immediately makes sense the visits of representatives of the emirates to Moscow, and the "good" to lay the northern stream-2, and the call of Piglet to Brussels, and even the investigation regarding Yaytsenyuk.
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 12 September 2015 06: 26 New
      +8
      And add the upcoming report on MH17. He, too, could be among the goals of exchange.
    2. dsi
      dsi 12 September 2015 06: 37 New
      +26
      Naturally, not officially - otherwise the United States would lose face. But how brazenly we act and how weakly the state establishment makes us think.

      Well, the Syrian Express worked before the sanctions. And the indication of Greece to close the airspace for our transporters is not a sign of mutual, albeit secret, concessions.
      Indeed, in fact, resolving the Syrian conflict in the hands of the United States will weaken ISIS.

      Why do they need it? They need chaos in the Middle East, which will spread to Europe. And the war of all with everyone is a solution to US problems! They will all sell their weapons, their advisers, thereby replenishing their gold reserves, well, etc. etc.
      1. Darkmor
        Darkmor 12 September 2015 06: 51 New
        +13
        Well, the Syrian Express worked before the sanctions.

        So we never recognized him openly.
        Could continue to quietly deliver weapons.
        And the indication of Greece to close the airspace

        These are trifles that do not affect us in any way. It feels like the US is formally trying to show that they do not support us and condemn us.
        Why do they need it? They need chaos in the Middle East

        There is already enough chaos - decades will have to scoop up the consequences. But the influx of refugees into Europe, the latter is clearly not to their liking. So do not like that they begin to look for the guilty and scapegoats.
        And when terrorist attacks begin in Europe, they will very quickly find the perpetrators - and here the United States risks losing all its influence on the EU in general due to a change of politicians.
        1. dsi
          dsi 12 September 2015 07: 23 New
          +1
          So we never recognized him openly.

          How so? We send landing ships (without landing) accompanied by destroyers to Syria, through the Bosphorus, which is owned by Turkey, a member of the North Atlantic bloc, But warships do not rely on search, and ... we don’t recognize this?
          These are trifles that do not affect us in any way.

          I doubt it, for the Bulgarians have complied with the decree.
          And when terrorist attacks begin in Europe, they will very quickly find the perpetrators - and here the United States risks losing all its influence on the EU in general due to a change of politicians.

          And this is the point.
          1. jeezar
            jeezar 12 September 2015 16: 33 New
            -2
            When the attacks begin, Europe will very quickly become close to the United States.
        2. Armored optimist
          Armored optimist 12 September 2015 10: 18 New
          +2
          So Russia was again appointed guilty.
      2. 2sila
        2sila 12 September 2015 08: 25 New
        +4
        About Chaos. Now, after the crisis in 2007-2008, the US economy is growing by about 2%, unemployment is declining, jobs are growing, oil is at a minimum. And since internal affairs are much more important to them than foreign policy, why should they change anything? They are satisfied with the chaos in the Middle East.
    3. Tanais
      Tanais 12 September 2015 07: 34 New
      +7
      Quote: Darkmor
      But how brazenly we act and how weakly the state establishment makes us think.


      The US "ruling class" is not homogeneous in its structure, therefore, it is not worth it to say that it is ALL, "weakly reacts" ...

      And in the White House and in the Capitol, there is no longer even fuss, but a real massacre among adherents of one way or another.

      Actually, after all, the USA has not yet outlined its position regarding the actions of Moscow ...
      And so far, only the “echoes” of that rattle with which the American state machine is “digesting” the data on Russian arms (troops?) In Syria are heard before us ...
      1. dsi
        dsi 12 September 2015 07: 53 New
        +5
        And so far, only the “echoes” of that rattle with which the American state machine is “digesting” the data on Russian arms (troops?) In Syria are heard before us ...

        It's just that in social networks they don’t have enough information. But how do you put it! I am impressed... smile
    4. Pavel Vereshchagin
      Pavel Vereshchagin 12 September 2015 08: 14 New
      +6
      “And the USA does not bother us in Ukraine” For some reason, it seems to me that the Americans are already tired of all this canoe with ukrobanderovshchina, the sense is zero, and the hemorrhoids have increased, and they’re thinking how to rebound with minimal losses.
    5. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 12 September 2015 08: 57 New
      +8
      Darkmor
      My fifth point very persistently tells me that the intensification of our actions in Syria has been coordinated with the United States.
      Naturally, not officially - otherwise the United States would lose face. ... understood that they were not able to solve both issues (Assad will fall, ISIS will strengthen). Therefore, they asked (allowed) the Russian Federation to intervene - i.e. solve one of the problems created by their own hands, with the help of someone else's power.

      The reality ... seems like a reality ... S. Lavrov is painfully frank. Syria and I have long had a military-technical cooperation, but before that we tried not to advertise it ... The situation has clearly changed ...
      OBAMA: "Putin, Merkel, Kameron - I caught Mujahideen - igilovets!
      PUTIN, MERKEL: Well done, "tanned" you are ours! Drag him to us soon .... in the tribunal we will judge him!
      OBAMA: I would be glad ... BUT I CAN’T ... GRABBED ME FOR THE THROAT ... PRESSING ... CORNED TO THE CORNER ... AND DOES NOT PUSH !!! HELP!!!"
      When a “tanned cowboy” (contrary to world opinion) decided to stir up a snake ball, fed by him, and indicated a way to crawl and bite someone ... this ball went out of submission and threatens to bite its own “parent” ... then you will involuntarily call for help ..
    6. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 12 September 2015 10: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Darkmor
      And immediately makes sense

      Everything is supposedly logical. Moreover, both options are beneficial to us, it is not only beneficial to the United States that they are generally for the destabilization of everyone and everywhere. Most likely they have something with feberger!
    7. mealnik2005
      mealnik2005 12 September 2015 10: 28 New
      +4
      Why then did the states ask to ban the passage of our aircraft? What would not lose face? So after all anyway flew, albeit in a roundabout way. Your fifth point doesn’t mean anything over the campaign ...):
    8. kot stepan
      kot stepan 12 September 2015 10: 55 New
      +6
      Yes, that's it. Poroshenko already mournfully noted that the help of the Ukrainian army was refused. They began to transfer the "vacationers" to Syria - they are slowly returning to LNR the "local" commanders who have shown themselves well.
      States are obstructing, but this is all a bargaining chip. They are gaining weight before negotiations.
      Perhaps there are some agreements. Not without reason, the French said that Assad is a lesser evil compared to ISIS and, they say, it is necessary to fight on its side (forcedly, for now). Well, the tone in the media is gradually changing both in us and in them.
      And, in general, treaties are treaties, but our Syria’s air defense system (precisely the system) seems to be being strengthened qualitatively. What would not have happened, like the 91st in Iraq. Our “partners” are great specialists in air terror. Especially when they believe that their loss level will be acceptable. Well, and when they believe that it will be unacceptable (the Israelis have already flown "for intelligence"), they grit their teeth, shit in every possible way, but begin to negotiate.
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 13 September 2015 17: 51 New
        +2
        where are the firewood from? If you really know something, share it. I believe that all the hysteria with Russian troops in Syria is an attempt to provoke Islamic terrorist forces against Russia. It is unlikely that Russia is fighting for Assad, the maximum is the provision of air defense and some anti-terrorism experience is being transmitted. In general, Russia in this conflict should be engaged in the consolidation of all anti-ISIS forces. It would be huge and success and a blow to all sorts of Euros
        1. kot stepan
          kot stepan 13 September 2015 21: 03 New
          +1
          "... some anti-terrorist experience passes." Very nice polite people go to share their experiences with Syrian comrades. No, well, really, addresses, passwords, appearances
          surnames?
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    10. marlin1203
      marlin1203 12 September 2015 11: 30 New
      +2
      Trade is the engine of progress! Everything for sale, the question is price? So Assad "bargained." laughing
    11. Alex1313
      Alex1313 12 September 2015 13: 19 New
      0
      You are right, it all fits together
    12. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 12 September 2015 14: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Darkmor
      My fifth point very persistently tells me that the intensification of our actions in Syria has been coordinated with the United States.

      Yes, in general the topic is muddy.
      But I probably agree with you, there are some agreements. Although verbal and informal, they agreed on something.
      It is not clear what is happening in the states themselves ?. This is the recent scandal that the President was allegedly brought EDITED intelligence data, which had little to do with reality. Suddenly, Obama says that he is not aware of what the state department is doing, and why he demanded that a number of countries ban the passage of Russian transporters to Syria. The question arises: who is RULIT there at all, if you don’t understand who decides such crucial foreign policy issues, and the president essentially does not know the actual situation in the world.
    13. 222222
      222222 12 September 2015 14: 13 New
      +1
      Darkmor RU Today, 06:05 AM
      My fifth point tells me very strongly that the intensification of our actions in Syria has been agreed with the United States. "
      ... General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Committee of Chiefs of Staff of the United States Armed Forces, said that NATO could simultaneously focus on Russia and ISIS. "NATO has the opportunity to simultaneously focus on two issues facing the alliance - Russia and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant," he said.
      According to him, "Russia took advantage of the military potential, and if it had intentions to harm the alliance, then it would have the opportunity to do so."
      Dempsey believes that NATO is large and powerful enough to deal with both threats at the same time.
      At the same time, he noted that at the moment, NATO pays attention to one threat for a while, and then looks at another.
      “We must keep track of both threats for a long time,” the general said.
      (September 11, 2015, Istanbul Turkey)
      http://www.defense.gov/News-Article-View/Article/616956/dempsey-nato-can-focus-o
      n-both-isil-and-russia
      ..example how to solve the strategic tasks of the United States at the hands of Europeans ..
      1. 222222
        222222 12 September 2015 14: 42 New
        0
        September 11-13, 2015 In Istanbul, a session of the NATO military committee is held at the level of defense ministers of the bloc countries.
        Questions will be considered:
        Challenges and threats to international security
        -fulfillment of the "Readiness Action Plan" -the road to Warsaw ".. Readiness Action Plan (RAP) - Road to Warsaw
        future structure of NATO
        questions of the upcoming block exercises
        Regional Security in the Western Balkans and Challenges for the Alliance Mission in Kosovo
        status and future development of operations in Afghanistan
        -Election of a new chairman of the international military committee.
    14. gunya
      gunya 12 September 2015 14: 54 New
      0
      Maybe there was an agreement that we are helping with Iran and are clearing Syria from ISIS, so that these countries will suppress terrorists in Iraq and Libya. And the United States does not bother us in Ukraine.
      This, by the way, would also be in the US’s favor - because would allow to get out of the lost conflict, saving face. The EU would also be pleased.
      As if, everyone is happy - well, except for the government of Ukraine and ISIS, which do not care.

      God grant that at least partially consistent with the truth.
      Then everyone comes out with the least loss. If only the Westerners had the intelligence not to "force peace" Syria.
    15. siberalt
      siberalt 12 September 2015 17: 43 New
      0
      Europe has lost the genetic matrix of social consciousness. It looks like there will be a short-circuit laughing
    16. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 12 September 2015 18: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Darkmor
      My fifth point very persistently tells me that the intensification of our actions in Syria has been coordinated with the United States.
      .... and hereinafter ..
      With your fifth point, everything is clear - but where is the LOGIC?
      Quote: Darkmor
      But how brazenly we act and how weakly the state establishment makes us think.

      There is no arrogance - there is the execution of previously signed contracts, which by the way were concluded before the beginning of the b / d in Syria. The fact that they had not been fully implemented before, just indicates that there was a hope to "agree". It didn’t come to an agreement, fulfillment of obligations began.
      Quote: Darkmor
      The United States is by no means weaklings in the political arena; they have a bunch of ways to answer us, right down to military intervention in the conflict zone.

      And what have they been doing there until today? Flowers planted?
      Quote: Darkmor
      And we are clearly shifting the balance of power in the Middle East - this simply cannot be ignored ...

      Here to the point ... +
      Quote: Darkmor
      Indeed, in fact, resolving the Syrian conflict in the hands of the United States will weaken ISIS. Yes, they would like to overthrow Assad - but apparently they realized that they are not able to solve both issues (Assad will fall, ISIS will strengthen).

      ????? One contradicts the other. They created ISIS to solve a number of tasks in the region, one of which is to use ISIS as an assault force on Assad, so as not to get involved in a ground operation.
      Quote: Darkmor
      But the Russian Federation clearly does not expect to give a free gift to the United States (which, moreover, will cost a lot of money for the transfer of troops and equipment) - otherwise we would not have ignored their coalition to combat ISIS for so long.

      The troops of the Russian Federation are not there !!! There are advisers and instructors who teach the Syrians how to handle the supplied equipment and weapons. If the Russian Federation gets involved in a ground operation with the participation of a limited military contingent, it will automatically be drawn into a war to deplete its own resources. Do we need it?
      Quote: Darkmor
      - otherwise we would not have ignored their anti-ISIS coalition for so long

      The Russian Federation will continue to ignore their coalition, since it was created to fight Assad under the banner of fighting ISIS. As recently as yesterday, American drones struck at Syrian government forces.
      Quote: Darkmor
      As if, everyone is happy - well, except for the government of Ukraine and ISIS, which do not care.

      I grieve and cry. There is only a question - why the hell did the USA pump billions of dollars into these two projects, what would they spit on them?
      So dear, from your point of view, about the "agreement" I strongly disagree. On the contrary, they didn’t agree, and hence a new round of aggravation.
      1. kot stepan
        kot stepan 12 September 2015 20: 50 New
        +1
        He put a plus. Perhaps there is no direct agreement with the "official structures". Perhaps Russia is trying to seize the initiative. Our troops ... The so-called hybrid war ... Russia is doing well. What is it now - the "troops"? It seems to me that the old definition is somewhat outdated, while the new one is only looming. But, officially, of course - what kind of troops are May? Who said?
    17. user
      user 12 September 2015 20: 15 New
      +1
      Indeed, in fact, resolving the Syrian conflict in the hands of the United States will weaken ISIS.


      It’s interesting at hand how, given that ISIS itself is one of the US projects to redraw the entire Middle East (I want to draw your attention to one of many).
    18. boruta
      boruta 12 September 2015 23: 54 New
      0
      The problem is that if the Americans give Putin Ukraine the Russian army is too small to occupy the whole country. Who will guard the borders in Asia and control the Caucasus at this time? In addition, the Americans went bankrupt as a result of the occupation of Iraq. And Russia is not America. Russia is a poor country and the occupation of Ukraine is a way to quickly bankrupt Russia. Even if the Ukrainians voluntarily agreed to return to the arms of Russia, Russia does not have the money to pay for the return of the prodigal daughter.
    19. and why
      and why 13 September 2015 01: 05 New
      0
      You say so, as if to cleanse Syria from Igil is a simple matter and "everyone is happy - well, except for the government of Ukraine and ISIS, who do not care." And for the hundreds of Russian soldiers who might die in these "sweeps" in an unfamiliar and foreign country, do not care? I am sure that ours were sent to Syria to protect Latakia and the surrounding area for the uninterrupted supply of Syrian troops and no more. And to receive in return Ukraine - yes, indeed, a great gift. We don’t know what to do with our skinheads, we’ll add Ukrainian ones too.
  2. Sirocco
    Sirocco 12 September 2015 06: 08 New
    +19
    David Cameron said that in Syria, it will probably be necessary to use “hard military force.”



    “Moreover, I’m watching with some frustration about today's news picture, when the UK and France declare their readiness to intensify military intervention,

    and Russia, according to press reports, is ready to increase arms supplies to Syria compared to the past for well-known purposes, ”said Steinmeier.

    Thus, Lavrov made it clear to his American colleague about the need for a “consolidated rebuff”.



    Well, and most importantly, after all these statements, this is the statement of Mr. Obama, I would call it not a statement, but a veiled threat.

    In addition, the US president advised Russia to behave "a little smarter" in the negotiations on a political settlement of the situation in Syria. According to Obama, the Islamic State terrorist group, whose activities in the Russian Federation is prohibited, poses a much greater threat to Russia than to the United States.

    The head of the White House called the Assad’s support and strengthening strategy, which Russia chose, the “big mistake”.
    As they say, Papa Carlo, who created this wooden miracle, to destabilize the situation in the east, with a view to the future in Russia, openly declares that other options are possible with the wooden ISIL terminator.
    Although my opinion is that all this muddiness in the east was originally prepared against Russia, they decided to come to our rear from the distance, so to speak. I read about the fact that the EU is trying in every way to get rid of all dependence on the Russian Federation, but it doesn’t work out, well, Syria, this is an attempt to pipe the Brothers, Saudis and Co. in the EU and Assad the villain does not give them gas dependence on the Russian Federation to remove. And these migrants in the future will be used against the Russian Federation, how to drink, the EU and its people are poured into the toilet, and at hour X the elite will dump over the hill, so as not to get kneaded.
    All, scribe, there is no Europe in the form in which it was, we can say a living corpse on a dropper with glucose.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 12 September 2015 06: 11 New
    +13
    “Assad must leave. ISIS must go. And what may be required if necessary is a tough military force. ”


    And I can juggle with these words, taking them into service with our potential enemies ....

    "POROSHENKO should go. The Kiev junta should go. And what may be required if necessary is a tough military force. ”
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 12 September 2015 11: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech

      And I can juggle with these words, taking them into service with our potential enemies ....

      "POROSHENKO should go. The Kiev junta should go. And what may be required if necessary is a tough military force. ”


      Actually, you have played political ping-pong now ...
  4. dsi
    dsi 12 September 2015 06: 13 New
    +5
    As you know, the decisive voice of Europe is the voice of Germany

    Who knows? We know that only 3,14ndos possess this voice.
  5. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 12 September 2015 06: 14 New
    +7
    Yesterday I looked at the map posted here on the VO, it turns out that the opposition, which occupies territories that are not continuous, but located southeast of the government forces, is preventing Yigil Assad from fighting.
    It turns out the opposition, the vanguard of Igilovtsev?
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 12 September 2015 17: 53 New
      0
      Quote: olimpiada15
      It turns out the opposition, the vanguard of Igilovtsev?

      And you still thought that each of them plays an independent role ??? !!!
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 September 2015 06: 18 New
    +2
    “Assad must leave. ISIS must go. And what may be required if necessary is a tough military force, ”Sputnik Moldova quoted Cameron as saying.


    Nothing new in the politics of Euro-democrats.
    War and devastation.
    New crowds of refugees.
    But no matter how much the shit-racers themselves had to dump from the settled refugees.
    And then we will take the Anglo-Saxons who fled from their lands, somewhere in the depths of the Siberian taiga.
    So that life does not seem to be honey.
  7. northerner lech
    northerner lech 12 September 2015 06: 20 New
    +17
    I fully agree with Lavrov. Morons b ... t.
  8. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 12 September 2015 06: 29 New
    +9
    Quote: northerner lech
    I fully agree with Lavrov. Morons b ... t.

    Finally, our diplomacy spoke in the right language.
    1. Volga Cossack
      Volga Cossack 12 September 2015 08: 08 New
      +3
      I support, with them the only way!
  9. B- 3ACADE
    B- 3ACADE 12 September 2015 06: 30 New
    +15
    Ah Cameron. Cameron. Cameron!
    music. songs. intrigues and dances. The gentlemen were deceived and are now looking for someone from the servant .... Well, just like in a joke;
    Cameron wakes up after a party; the uniform is torn from the boon by the head of a bobo in a kaka company. It’s embarrassing for the valet. To save face.
    And the servant in return; HE is a real bastard sir. He also did not give a shit about you.
  10. digo
    digo 12 September 2015 06: 33 New
    +4
    Well, he plans to establish “peace and stability” in unhappy Syria by uprooting the “IS” and the forces of Bashar al-Assad there simultaneously.

    In ur.od - to "eradicate" all, i.e. KILL and there will be peace ?! fool B. is worse than a jackal. I would start with myself an English speaker. angry
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  12. B- 3ACADE
    B- 3ACADE 12 September 2015 06: 46 New
    +6
    When Cameron goes on ... ISIS.
    let him take the gun from Lyashka
    1. Mik-51
      Mik-51 12 September 2015 14: 34 New
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      Quote: B- 3ACADE
      When Cameron goes on ... ISIS.
      let him take the gun from Lyashka



      He can take a pitchfork only forks in Vyshivank's painting with rubber tips lubricated with Polish lard ...
      Something like this ...
  13. staryivoin
    staryivoin 12 September 2015 06: 47 New
    +5
    Quote: The same Lech
    “Assad must leave. ISIS must go. And what may be required if necessary is a tough military force. ”


    And I can juggle with these words, taking them into service with our potential enemies ....

    "POROSHENKO should go. The Kiev junta should go. And what may be required if necessary is a tough military force. ”


    Or maybe better. "The Nobel peacekeeper must leave. Cameron must leave. Poroshenko must be imprisoned with the Kiev junta. The authors of the crash MH17 must be found and imprisoned. And all this requires a tough stance of the entire world community." It seems something like this.
  14. yuriy55
    yuriy55 12 September 2015 07: 04 New
    +4
    There is not even the thought that Russia's actions in Syria have been coordinated with the US leadership. At world races, they don’t put on a messed-up gelding (Obama, whose term of office ends next year). As for the unrest in different countries of Europe for various reasons, then, excuse me, everyone wants to have a satisfying meal and sleep sweetly, and those responsible for the troubles and inconveniences, the people living in these countries quickly determine and deserve what they deserve. Russia is a lesser evil to the West than Western media represent it. The policy of prudent intervention and assistance in the affairs of the mournful-state and everyday life is supported despite ... and contrary to ...
    The main thing in all this fuss is to decide on your internal problems and remember the principle of SDD. yes
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 September 2015 07: 39 New
    +2
    “Assad must leave. ISIS must go. And what may be required if necessary is a tough military force. ”

    Everyone to whom he was speaking heard him and, frightened by “hard military power”, they ran to leave. Now in those parts of the world it’s not a dust storm, it's the IS fighters who are fleeing from Cameron’s words.
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 12 September 2015 07: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Everyone to whom he was speaking heard him and, frightened by “hard military power”, they ran to leave. Now in those parts of the world it’s not a dust storm, it's the IS fighters who are fleeing from Cameron’s words.


      Unfortunately, on the contrary ... More precisely, the ISIS gangs took advantage of the impossibility of using aviation due to the storm, and began active operations against government troops ...
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 12 September 2015 08: 07 New
        +1
        Well, you understand what I wrote with irony.
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 12 September 2015 08: 17 New
          +4
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Well, you understand what I wrote with irony.

          Alas, to blame, did not understand what , did not appreciate ...

          Like "compensation" +
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 September 2015 08: 27 New
    +1
    Thank you for understanding hi
  17. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 12 September 2015 09: 46 New
    +2
    DIRECTLY like some spells, everyone should. Just like a pig: “do not let these, do not show others.” AS in the old evil times --- to bind both together, let them be pleased.
  18. HAM
    HAM 12 September 2015 10: 58 New
    +1
    Everyone wants to fight, but not a single h (m) attack from the West proposed to restore peace in the Middle Eastso that there are no victims, there are no refugees, there are no wars. Cameron from these eccentrics .....
  19. LMaksim
    LMaksim 12 September 2015 11: 22 New
    +7
    Assad must leave. Why shouldn't Obama leave? Or should McCain not leave? Why shouldn't Hollande, Cameron and many others leave? Many have not liked them for a long time, so why don’t they leave? Say they were chosen by their people? Yes, but Assad was also chosen by his people. Or are the peoples of America, England, France and Germany more correct? They choose as they should and their leaders are impeccable. But the people of Syria, Russia and all the rest are somehow different and choosing something wrong? This is already similar to fascism.
  20. onix757
    onix757 12 September 2015 11: 43 New
    +2
    Good afternoon, dear forum users! Please accept me in your community. For a long time I was a passive reader, but recently I felt that something was wrong and decided to register. I am writing from my ip, and therefore explain "down to earth" for what they can punish me.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 12 September 2015 12: 05 New
      +1
      for what they can punish me. ,,
      There are site rules, read them.
  21. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 12 September 2015 12: 16 New
    +2
    am It seems to me that everything is going to the war. The NATO bases are already everywhere, in Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia. Now they are building in Georgia. Look around us, surrounded by exclamations of peace !!! According to the laws of strategy, a blow will follow simultaneously from all sides! The Japanese adopted a law on the use of their aircraft abroad. And which of the local “generals” and “marshals” will run a 10 km march? None! All the best here to fight!
    1. Kolesnikoff.dmitr
      Kolesnikoff.dmitr 12 September 2015 15: 36 New
      +1
      I’ll run, and if the Motherland orders to stand up again.
    2. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 12 September 2015 19: 14 New
      +2
      Well, what should I do now if the age is far from youthful, and health is no longer good? Leave the site?
  22. YohanPalych
    YohanPalych 12 September 2015 12: 54 New
    +6
    One of the quotes from Bashar al-Assad

    “Russian-Syrian relations have many points of contact. The first of them - Russia experienced occupation during the Second World War, and Syria was also occupied several times. Secondly, Russia, like Syria, suffered from numerous attempts to intervene in its internal The third is terrorism. We in Syria understand what killing of civilians means by the hands of militants in the North Caucasus, we remember the hostage-taking in Beslan and the musical “Nord-Ost" in Moscow. Thus, the Russians understand what we have to have it’s the case in Syria, because they themselves experienced terrorism on their own. Therefore, when a Western person comes in who says that there is a bad terrorist and there is a moderate terrorist, the Russians don’t believe it. "
  23. exalex2
    exalex2 12 September 2015 15: 43 New
    +1
    I read the headline and thought it was about "our" "government." But no .. However, the picture does not change from this .. The same "h (m) blows" ..
  24. X Y Z
    X Y Z 12 September 2015 17: 02 New
    +1
    Assad must leave, Putin must leave, refugees must leave. Cameron is simple - everyone must leave, except for his beloved. And maybe the simplest and most effective way to put world affairs in order is that Cameron should leave, taking with him Obama and mother Merkel. The world will become radically cleaner and the fight against terrorism will be much easier.
  25. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 12 September 2015 22: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Kos_kalinki9
    Well, what should I do now if the age is far from youthful, and health is no longer good? Leave the site?

    I respect age! You will forge victory in the rear! wink
  26. Vasisualiy
    Vasisualiy 12 September 2015 22: 22 New
    +1
    Oma Merkel, Cameron, Hollande, etc. can also leave. In their place will come the same merkel, cameron. He who feeds the girl dances her. It is naive to dream of the arrival of smart and fair. Reread Grandfather Nekrasov. Geyropeytsy forgot how to think oligophrenically. True rulers-owners of the world think for them in the silence of bank accounts. And the monkey in Fashington doesn’t decide anything. However, I am tormented by the thought that in Moscow it is not possible without “world chess masters”. Or am I mistaken? Old age...
  27. GDV
    GDV 12 September 2015 23: 04 New
    +1
    Congratulations to all, we entered a new cold war with mattress.
    The mattress is smelly, old, full of fleas, but do not have to build the illusion that it itself will fall apart, by the way what do they do with old mattresses? many stinks are burned correctly, while it’s ensured that it’s time for the whole civilized world to think about how to dispose of this junk and not to be consumed with half-life products, it would be smarter if we could poison black fleas and white ones but somehow it’s not luck, domestic dry cleaning does not itch, narrow-eyed the allies are chugging more somewhere around the back door, fussing does not bring harm is a fact, advise people what to do with the mattress, which side I don’t know about?
  28. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 13 September 2015 21: 25 New
    0
    You are welcome ! Let everyone leave, about Russia, - you are!
  29. Elena2013
    Elena2013 14 September 2015 02: 02 New
    0
    The Trojan horse of Britain. News of the Slavs 99
  30. aurano
    aurano 16 September 2015 20: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Elena2013
    The Trojan horse of Britain. News of the Slavs 99

    Great end to the discussion