Construction of the most powerful frigate in the world has begun in Germany

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Construction of the most powerful frigate in the world has begun in Germany

At dock 12 of the Hamburg shipyard, the laying ceremony of the first F125 class frigate took place. The ceremony was organized by the ARGE F125 working group consisting of representatives from ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems AG, Blohm + Voss Naval GmbH and Friedrich Lürssen Werft GmbH & Co.

In accordance with the schedule was laid the first section of the frigate. In implementing this project, the German shipbuilders intend to once again demonstrate their high innovative level and production potential. The frigate is designed for deployment in the composition of the coalition forces of defense and crisis prevention, support for humanitarian actions, the fight against terrorism and asymmetric threats. The frigate is one of the most modern ships of this class in the world.

The stunning versatility of the frigate is achieved by applying the latest innovations. Despite a significant reduction in the number of crews, the frigate of this project has capabilities far beyond the capabilities of other ships of this class.

The construction contract was signed in 2007 and provides for the construction of four ships. The commissioning of all ships is scheduled for the 2016-2018 period. The program also aims to save jobs in the German shipbuilding industry.

Certificate of armament frigate class F125

The ship will be armed with an automatic 127 mm artillery unit of Melara, for which, according to Aviation Week, guided munitions with a range of up to 100 kilometers are being developed.

Earlier it was planned to equip this frigate, whose tasks included fire support of the landing (the space for 50 marines was provided on board the ship), installing 270 mm mm 227 MLRS and Kraus-Maffei Wehrmann turret, with the aid of the Kraus-Maffei Wehrmann X-gun, However, according to the NavyWeaps website, they refused these plans.

Each F-125 frigate will carry two helicopters - anti-submarine NH-90 or Tiger type drums.

The frigates are armed with a modular installation of a vertical launch of the MK 41 type, which provides for various combinations of anti-aircraft, anti-ship, anti-submarine and cruise missiles. In particular, the frigate is equipped with Harpoon Block II anti-ship missiles.


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  1. rnb1983
    +1
    7 November 2011 11: 32
    The Germans are doing it honestly !!!!
    1. His
      -2
      7 November 2011 12: 57
      The Germans are great. Only they need to be lured to our side, At least cheap gas
      1. Voodoopeople
        +5
        7 November 2011 13: 33
        Gas for Germans at European prices, there is no "cheap" gas. The courts are now claiming German companies against Gazprom, the European Union is now cowardly of the offices of subsidiaries.
        Northern sweat is not something idealistic, any country will be “in favor” with hands and feet for diversifying the supply of raw materials, and even at the expense of others. Germany is also carrying out a number of alternative energy substitution projects. Germany will also always be a supporter of other alternative suppliers of raw materials, competition always makes the price cheaper.
        So don't idealize or persuade yourself. The Germans have their own policy and there will be no frankly foreign "side". I also doubt that the Germans forgot East Prussia, like other events of the last century.
        1. His
          +5
          7 November 2011 13: 56
          But they I think they know who took Berlin. Not Private Rain
          1. -20
            7 November 2011 14: 11
            When it was, if they didn’t fight in Africa and Europe in parallel with us, the outcome of the 2 world would be different.
            1. +9
              7 November 2011 14: 19
              The result would be the same, only the Second World War would go seven years. Europe just worked for them. Soviet people with children without sleeping at the machines processed the floor of Europe.
              1. Ivan35
                +3
                7 November 2011 17: 55
                Right Alexej! I support! For thousands of years, Europe could never defeat Eurasia and make it a colony. And Hitler, with an all-united Europe, still had no chance - it just might have been longer and the war would have been worse, maybe Moscow would have been surrendered - but we would have resisted.
                1. +5
                  7 November 2011 18: 21
                  Yeah. Besides, Moscow was already taken (Napoleon), but what's the point?
                  1. +1
                    7 November 2011 18: 45
                    I think we’ll not take Berlin for the third time, we’ll just raze it to the ground, as they wanted to do this with Moscow and Leningrad !!!
                    And they know about it !!!
                2. gojesi
                  0
                  2 February 2012 06: 28
                  Quote: Ivan35
                  Right Alexej! I support!

                  No, it’s not right Alex, I don’t support it! By the 43rd year, the entire Russian defense industry was restored beyond the Urals. Tanks and planes went daily to the front HUNDREDS. There were plenty of human resources. The military ice rink of Russia dispersed and balanced. The Germans no longer had ammunition by May 45, zinc with ammunition and boxes with shells and mines, directly from the factories went to the front line. Fight the Germans only one front, against Russia, the war would have lasted a month or three longer by force! I think from strength until August! So do not be clever and do not humiliate my ancestors ... clever people ...
            2. Voodoopeople
              -8
              7 November 2011 14: 52
              And Rain was against them, and Rain could take Berlin first.
              1. +1
                7 November 2011 15: 12
                Who managed, he ate. And Rain is the one (Save Private Rain), they saved him ??)
                1. +3
                  7 November 2011 18: 50
                  Friend is Hollywood!
                  In fact, in the beginning, their Fritzes tore to pieces !!
                  Only a threat from the east forced the Germans to transfer part of their forces to the EAST to the detriment of the western direction!
                  1. -2
                    7 November 2011 18: 55
                    Friend, I know. This is a joke, so, purely neighing)
                  2. gojesi
                    +1
                    2 February 2012 06: 33
                    Quote: submariner
                    Friend is Hollywood!

                    submariner, you that a fleecy propindosnik from the fifth column FRIEND ???
                    But I don’t, I know that I and my grandson will have to fight with him and I won’t convert him in my faith, I will betray! Passed by! Better - I'll kill you!
              2. +3
                7 November 2011 18: 47
                You judge these Yankees in Hollywood !!!
                Did he serve in the army?
                If he served, then surely he would not "screw up" !!!
            3. 0
              7 November 2011 18: 42
              Moron, do you doubt the strength of our men?
              The happiness of your "poop" is that you are hiding under a nickname !!!
              1. +2
                8 November 2011 00: 34
                Is that me?
          2. 0
            7 November 2011 18: 38
            And remember !!!!!
            Here is the MOST IMPORTANT !!!
        2. 0
          7 November 2011 18: 37
          And East Prussia is no more and never will be !!!!
          Köningsberg will be forever KALININGRAD !!!
          1. gojesi
            -1
            2 February 2012 06: 38
            Quote: submariner
            And East Prussia is no more and never will be !!!!

            wink Well, as there is no friend ???
            So it is all there is and lies and has not gone anywhere, we all even remember the original name. The ancient Slavic territories that the liquid Bolsheviks renamed Kaliningrad, and as it was in Russia, Porussia remained ... We study the mat-part of Ur together!
        3. +1
          8 November 2011 19: 52
          somehow you do not write in Russian, where will you be a stranger from?

          So we did not forget Stalingrad.
      2. gojesi
        -1
        2 February 2012 06: 19
        Quote: Own
        The Germans are great. Only they need to be lured to our side, At least cheap gas

        this is Russian well done! We drowned them and the Nimitians and Tirpitans, already forgot about Marinesco or didn’t know? So learn the mate!
        And they, like all that is not with us, Europe, they will buy gas at the full price !!! Like metal, and soon drinking water and the rest of the periodic table! And what kind of servility is this! Look!
        It’s better to stop drinking beer with your wives, use foul language, learn Russian, and work as the Germans work and everything will appear for us, and children will not be born! Hooray!
      3. gojesi
        -1
        2 February 2012 07: 46
        Quote: Own
        The Germans are great. Only they need to be lured to our side, At least cheap gas

        these are Russian fellows! What kind of servility? Gas exclusively at world market prices! Freestuff nishtyaki finished! The corvette is clearly for a showdown in the Arctic, but we and their Tirpitz drowned, remember Marinesco? and this one will sink to the bottom even more, but it would be better, of course, to have Germany in allies, against England and the USA
    2. +1
      7 November 2011 18: 03
      Tirpitz, too, was worked conscientiously ... And, moreover, I was touched by several expressions in the list of missions and future tasks - "supporting humanitarian actions, combating terrorism and asymmetric threats." It sounds so positive and so reassuring ... smile Not far off, you see, another mess related to the protection of civilians and "free expression of will" ...
    3. korotkov_rostov
      +1
      8 November 2011 19: 33
      They do, and our government is finishing its own shipbuilding, a treacherous tandem!
  2. +4
    7 November 2011 11: 44
    yes - undoubtedly - the Germans know how to do it conscientiously, and ours could - only other "ours" have long ago blamed sad
  3. Thunder512
    +2
    7 November 2011 11: 45
    "A people who have been brought up in a certain spirit from time immemorial cannot change, even if they succumb to self-deception for a while." O. Spengler. The militarization of Germany is evident!
    1. +6
      7 November 2011 11: 57
      And they will call him "TYPRIC" or "BISMARK"!
      What they have every right to!
      1. nnnnnnnnn
        +5
        7 November 2011 15: 00
        "TIRPITZ"
        1. +2
          7 November 2011 18: 52
          Yes, I made a mistake. Thank you for correcting it.
        2. Voodoopeople
          +2
          7 November 2011 20: 54
          Yes, and the Germans killed by stupidity, but that's another story
  4. LESHA pancake
    -2
    7 November 2011 11: 54
    TELL ME WHY GERMANY THE MOST POWERFUL FRIGATE IN THE WORLD? IT WHAT THE LIFE SPACE HAS GONE TO CONQUER?
    1. +5
      7 November 2011 14: 21
      Duck now everyone is preparing for war, arming themselves - the time is turbulent.
      1. +3
        7 November 2011 18: 53
        Well, it’s necessary to bring Britain to its knees someday!
        And do not be surprised !!!
    2. gojesi
      0
      2 February 2012 06: 47
      Quote: LYOKHA damn
      TELL ME WHY GERMANY THE MOST POWERFUL FRIGATE IN THE WORLD?

      why in the 90s was the Baltic shipping company killed? Why in Poland in Gdansk, shipbuilding was completely killed ???
      Yes, just the Germans freed up a place for themselves! Well, they’ve released, and now they are preparing to defend that they have grabbed unrighteously! The cat feels whose meat was illegally eaten! And now, here you are, 20 years have passed and Russia begins to build its fleet powerfully, and the fifth column, with bulk evil hamsters, is going through Germany, England, like - we are building it undemocraticly ..., are furious! Hooray!
  5. 0
    7 November 2011 11: 58
    Germany again decided to conquer the whole world smile
    1. Voodoopeople
      +3
      7 November 2011 12: 13
      There are certain parallels with events a hundred years ago. Europe, in the person of Germans, Angles, French, in the spirit of events in the world and the weakening of the Eurasian region - revived.
      Apparently - a big divide is brewing.
    2. KASKAD
      0
      2 February 2012 00: 50
      Well, at least there will be norms for grandchildren to tell, but it would be necessary to quickly and then a boring machine gun was put on the pickup roof last year, but it didn’t work out.
      1. gojesi
        -1
        2 February 2012 06: 51
        Quote: KASKAD
        , only it would have to be faster, and then a boring machine gun was put on the roof of a pickup last year, but it didn’t work out

        ... I don’t even know what to say ... My head completely flew to the side from beer ??? War buddy, this is not only shooting from the roof of a pickup truck, it is still very, very much blood and deaths! And the car, so it only in Hollywood from the bullets covers reliably, in fact I assure you, they are deceiving it! Doesn't cover at all wink
  6. Voodoopeople
    +5
    7 November 2011 12: 16
    Krasava Germany - here's a frigate with the properties of a destroyer and "assault assault". Oto Melara 127mm super - 100 km this is how Melara Volcano will be
    - Landing, MLRS, the best howitzer in the world - I suppose they remembered Konensberg ...

    Nevertheless, the ship has great landing capabilities, and special attention should be paid to this. If they build it, then they build it not for show-offs, but for goals.
    1. 0
      7 November 2011 21: 18
      Battle for the Arctic?
      1. Chamberlain
        -1
        7 November 2011 21: 23
        for Antarctica)))
  7. +3
    7 November 2011 12: 19
    Inters project is for sure. But the air assault is too sure. And to conduct special operations just right. And helicopters can be called up if anything.
    1. Voodoopeople
      0
      7 November 2011 12: 27
      Oto Melara - accurately removes all tactical targets within a radius of 100 km - radar, tanks, airfields, aviation, air defense systems, headquarters, etc. And it’s very fast, cheap and effective.
      Self-propelled guns - also toluo (how many there are) - like up to 30 km.
      MLRS - iron shore for landing for the same and other purposes.
      “This is an amphibious assault ship.”
      1. His
        0
        7 November 2011 13: 03
        100 km is nonsense. Tomahawks hit 600 - 700 km. They will blow you up, and you won’t even know where it came from
        1. Voodoopeople
          +1
          7 November 2011 13: 42
          Quote: Own
          Tomahawks hit 600 - 700 km

          - And even much further. But all right - what relation is one related to the other?
        2. Jaguar
          0
          7 November 2011 23: 27
          "As part of the German naval forces, RBS15 will be installed on corvettes of the Braunschweig class. In the future, such missiles are planned to be included in the armament of frigates of the F125 project and the Brandenburg class. At present, Saab is developing RBS15 Mk.IV missiles, which will differ in an increased range of up to a thousand kilometers, a dual guidance head and a new feedback system. The German Navy is also planning to purchase these ammunition. "
        3. gojesi
          0
          2 February 2012 07: 00
          Quote: Own
          100 km is nonsense

          Talk nonsense? and she has a rate of fire of 3 rounds per minute, and for 100 km he launches the first projectile on a high path, the second on the middle and the third on the lay, and all three shells fly at the same time, and this is 100 kg of armor-piercing brisant. And, mind you, completely silently, in full radio mode. Tomahawk gets off even with a simple air defense for 100 km on approach, and these shells are not a single air defense of the world, and even ours is powerless, so I think that these shells are a very, very big PROBLEM And a headache for our ships! Neither his rocket, nor his cannon ... You need to think something ... Hooray!
      2. +3
        7 November 2011 15: 17
        MLRS and howitzer decided not to put. The text says so.
      3. 0
        7 November 2011 18: 56
        And are you surprised by this?
        1. +1
          7 November 2011 19: 32
          No, I had a conversation with Voodoopeople if the frigate can be considered an amphibious assault. I say that 50 Marines, this is a special operation, and he is an airborne assault. And he was going to clear the coast for landing on this frigate with a howitzer with MLRS, and I wrote to him that we decided not to put them.
      4. Jaguar
        0
        7 November 2011 23: 19
        Quote: Voodoopeople
        Self-propelled guns - also toluo (how many there are) - like up to 30 km.

        "The howitzer holds a world record - at a training ground in South Africa, she fired a specially designed V-LAP projectile at 56 km."
        1. gojesi
          0
          2 February 2012 07: 04
          Quote: Jaguar
          The howitzer holds a world record - at a training ground in South Africa, it fired a specially designed V-LAP projectile at 56 km. "

          our double-barreled Coalition, works quietly for 50 km, with two barrels ... shoots Krasnopol "in the stake" at 50 km
  8. Voodoopeople
    0
    7 November 2011 13: 01
    Here 76mm 30km, and it will be 127 per 100km.
    Here's how it will work:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckj3Cc1fACc

    In general, the ideology of OTO MELARA VULCANO is super. What for RCC then needed in that radius.
    By the way, for 127mm goals - we add more ships and boats.
    "Terminator of the Baltic Seas" turns out, wow.

    Now we can state that according to marine powder and promising electromagnetic artillery - all Soviet developments - are hopelessly outdated.
    1. Voodoopeople
      0
      7 November 2011 13: 46
      There is an American railgun in the world, and the European Super-Otomelar series.
      1. His
        -1
        7 November 2011 21: 01
        Type in the "Railgun. Railgun" u-tube and you will be pleasantly surprised. Russia already has this weapon !!!
        1. gojesi
          0
          2 February 2012 07: 07
          Quote: Own
          Type in the "Railgun. Railgun" u-tube and you will be pleasantly surprised. Russia already has this weapon !!!

          this weapon was abandoned in Russia in the 60s, and we were the initiators of this "weapon". Then they leaked to the Yankees, do it, keep on ... Pure crap! Hooray!
    2. 0
      7 November 2011 15: 41
      And the system is a class, but with a conventional projectile at what distance does it shoot?
      1. Voodoopeople
        -3
        7 November 2011 20: 58
        No, but more precisely. This is not her class
    3. +2
      7 November 2011 18: 58
      I ask if you do not know about the development of our weapons, DO NOT CLAIM !!!
      1. Voodoopeople
        0
        7 November 2011 21: 02
        And what is there like that?
  9. +2
    7 November 2011 14: 23
    The new Bismarck? wink The main thing is that fate does not repeat it.
  10. 0
    7 November 2011 14: 48
    "The larger the cabinet, the louder it falls ..." - an unknown author. wink
  11. fedora
    +6
    7 November 2011 15: 36
    For me, so the ship is not better than others, modern.
    High-precision weapons operating at ranges up to 100 km are certainly good, but you need to provide them with target designation, and the ship itself with all types of combat support (air defense, missile defense, anti-aircraft defense, air defense, reconnaissance, etc., etc.). For this, Germany has not enough forces and means.
    Consequently, the ship is intended for operations as part of a combined NATO group. Does this need Germany today?
  12. Chamberlain
    0
    7 November 2011 16: 54
    the ship was not impressed at all ...
  13. nickname bj
    +1
    7 November 2011 17: 06
    Well, it’s time for the Germans to arm themselves again, after all, the Aryan race ...
    1. gojesi
      0
      2 February 2012 07: 14
      Quote: nickname b
      Well, it’s time for the Germans to arm themselves again, after all, the Aryan race ...

      how did they turn your brains out ... and who are you ??? Not Aryan? and which one? created, jewish ??? So here actually Slavs, warriors, past and future. We are talking about Russian weapons, about feats, about valor about glory ... if you know what I mean ... I was especially touched by your p ... ALREADY TIME AGAIN ... What did you mean ... if it doesn’t make it difficult of course?
  14. +3
    7 November 2011 18: 28
    Germany drags a bunch of parasites across Europe. The construction of such a ship is flying at a pretty penny. Here again Greece is stirring up water, grandmas can come in handy!
  15. Anatoliy
    +7
    7 November 2011 19: 31
    Quote: Own
    The Germans are great. Only they need to be lured to our side, At least cheap gas

    The Germans are now the most reliable political ally of Russia in Europe. This can be seen both in economic activity and in the reaction of Germany to the most pressing political issues related to Russia. Germany was the country that actually blocked Ukraine’s entry into NATO under Yushchenko. At the same time, Germany is the most influential player in the EU, a real locomotive of the European economy.

    Quote: Joker
    Germany again decided to conquer the whole world

    Information is out of date for 60 years. Germany is now cutting, and significantly reducing military spending.


    Quote: rnb1983
    The Germans are doing it honestly !!!!

    Yes, they do and have always done, it is not for nothing that the concept of "German quality" was introduced. But the Russian school of shipbuilding has always had great authority. And with the creation of appropriate conditions for designers and scientists, competent management and sustainable financing, it has every chance to win back positions.
    1. 0
      7 November 2011 19: 41
      Respect and respect !!!!!
  16. -4
    7 November 2011 19: 39
    What kind of political partnership between Germany and Russia can we talk about? In Germany, in your opinion, they do not understand where the money of the Russian political elite is? They do not understand in whose mainstream Russia's policy is going (on whose mill our "leaders" are pouring water)? Germany is a stable member of the Alliance (and, by the way, a loyal partner of the United States) and its frigates are a contribution to interspecific groupings of troops (forces) to defend coalition interests. Moreover, the interest of each member of this "club" is satisfied in proportion to the contribution made to the common cause. Germany did not climb into Libya, so we have not heard of its claims to this jackpot. That's it.
    1. Anatoliy
      +3
      7 November 2011 20: 43
      Let's talk the facts ..
      1. Germany is the main trade and economic partner of Russia.
      2. It’s not my idea, but it’s actually that Russia has a number of problems with the countries of Eastern Europe, Georgia, and Great Britain. There are no similar problems with Germany.
      3 .. 2003 was declared the Year of Russia in Germany, and 2004 - the Year of Germany in Russia. It seems to be a trifle. But it is impossible to imagine that in the current situation the Great Britain or Georgia would declare the year of Russia in their country. Such trifles do not directly affect in any way, but only fix the current relationship. They are not the worst.

      Yes, Germany is a NATO member. But this is a NATO member who has brains, and which does not have the complex "enslaved by the empire" that the countries of Eastern Europe have, and this despite the difficult, at times tragic history between the countries.

      Medvedev around the world is rushing with the idea of ​​modernization like Lenin with the idea of ​​world revolution. To all appeals: to the USA, the EU, etc. But there is a case in point. When the decision was made to sell the Opel plant, Germany lobbied for this idea, but the deal fell through because The United States considered that the transfer of modern technology, even production in Russia, is harmful and dangerous.

      Quote: Strategia
      In Germany, in your opinion, they do not understand where the money of the Russian political elite is

      In my opinion, they understand perfectly. And this is understood not only in Germany, but everywhere in the world, and even in Russia itself. But dear Strategia, the corruption of the current Russian elite is well known in Belarus and Armenia, which does not prevent them from establishing partnerships with the Russian Federation.

      And what does Germany have to do with it, besides the fact that the Russian government and the oligarchs (it is difficult to carry out a separation) keep their accounts in Western banks? This is an exclusively internal Russian problem. Germany has nothing to do with it. Yes, they laid down the most powerful frigate in the world. And who is stopping the laying of such a Russia? NATO occupied Russian shipyards? An important point - Russia has already laid down the most powerful frigate in the world, Novik, at the Yantar plant. Only construction has been frozen. Perhaps forever. And it was not frozen at the request of Germany. Who prevented NATO from concluding contracts for the construction of Project 955 and 885 submarines? Or maybe you think that the appointment of Serdyukov as Minister of Defense was a secret Putin-Schroeder pact with the aim of weakening the defense capability of the Russian Federation? No, it was Russian stupidity.

      You just need to make competent decisions, give clearly calculated expert assessments, build a strategy for the development of the armed forces and implement it. Then the construction of a series of new super-frigates in Germany will not be scary.
      1. Chamberlain
        +4
        7 November 2011 20: 52
        It is what it is...
        Almost all space rockets used to be built at the YUMZ plant (Dnepropetrovsk) .. The legendary "Satan" is from these design bureaus ... BUT damn !!!
        Wait, everything is sold out there, rented out, and Ukraine (the only dibilogo state in the world that, on its own initiative, destroyed its nuclear weapons, the Dnieper is a Ukrainian city) has ... a bread shop and a bazaar about its awesome independence ....
        Idiocy! There are no words!
        Although that is Russia, that Ukraine has just LLC Ohhhhhhuuuu ..... a powerful brain-resource-production potential ....

        No words - only emotions ...
        1. Voodoopeople
          -3
          7 November 2011 21: 26
          It’s better to treat yourself - otherwise it’s impossible to read.
          1. Chamberlain
            -2
            7 November 2011 21: 28
            Check with your optometrist
            maybe you sat out in front of the computer?
  17. Chamberlain
    +2
    7 November 2011 20: 10
    nickname b,
    Well, it’s time for the Germans to arm themselves again, after all, the Aryan race ...



    HA!!!
    Damn, I’m banned from all German portals for the phrase White Power, what’s next to think?
    Today Germany is not at all the same ... And finally, as I see, the whole "European Union" is gradually rolling into "F"
    And our ships are better! (at least in terms of price and quality)
    The Americans, with their billions of projects, have not achieved anything in the end
    The most rational developments will win - that is, ours;)
  18. Tyumen
    +1
    7 November 2011 20: 47
    We will wait for Mouse-2.
  19. +1
    7 November 2011 21: 40
    Pedantic Germans have always been masters in such matters. Honestly, it’s nice for them that you can do good fellows. For whom, for whom, and the Germans, in my opinion, are the warmest of us from all Europeans.
    1. Chamberlain
      -1
      7 November 2011 21: 43
      If only according to the example of Fgancii they didn’t drag Islamists into the parliament ....
    2. gojesi
      0
      2 February 2012 07: 25
      Quote: Max79
      , and the Germans in my opinion of all Europeans are the warmest

      ... I do not understand and do not accept any servility! minus Learn the mat part!
      We always beat them in all fields and beat them in skill too ... And it was not our fault that the Jews seized power and stopped the country in development for almost 90 years. And in 1907, Russian merchants wrote a petition to the Emperor that Japanese merchants for their goods hang Russian labels and sell them under the guise of Russian goods. And in 1913, when the "dry law" was introduced by Nicholas, Russia was in second place in terms of alcohol consumption from the end! only the Norwegians drank less than us in the world "And now you are crazy about your beer, you can't see anything at your nose, you can't make the simplest correct conclusions ... A cigarette on your lip, a beer in your hand, in your thirties - a complete television impotent, children - And the Germans do not "love" us, and they do not treat us warmly! How would you treat the crowd of drunk, unwashed, smelling, dirty white gypsies who came to your city and began to behave drunkenly, dirty, and defiantly, whose women dressed and made up in the morning like whores ??? How would you treat them, just tell me honestly ??? Nowhere in Europe, and not only in Germany, they do not like us, they consider us miserable and drunk and filthy. west, I assure you, and I know what I'm talking about, it's just that there is no work for me in Russia ...
      So such are the things Mach 79 year of birth ... Or am I wrong ??? Hooray!
  20. 0
    7 November 2011 22: 25
    While Russia and Germany are on friendly terms, there will be no big war.
    1. His
      -2
      7 November 2011 22: 25
      Is not a fact. Usa rules the world
      1. gojesi
        0
        2 February 2012 07: 35
        Quote: Own
        Is not a fact. Usa rules the world

        England rules the world.
  21. 0
    7 November 2011 22: 26
    I wonder when the name of MO Serdyukov will appear in Forbes, some will still consider him a non-professional ?!)))
  22. 0
    8 November 2011 04: 08
    "When it was, had they not fought in Africa and Europe in parallel with us, the outcome of World War II would have been different." joker you are also dumb ??? !!!
  23. Mr. Truth
    +1
    8 November 2011 09: 57
    The Germans never cease to amaze me, there was an APC of 5 million euros each, and now a frigate with a displacement of a destroyer ...
  24. lokdok
    +1
    8 November 2011 09: 57
    I don’t understand what everyone admires so much .... An ordinary ship for colonial wars. And our weapons are not worse, but often better. And warships in Russia are now laid more than in Germany.
    1. Mr. Truth
      0
      8 November 2011 12: 54
      I agree, there is nothing to admire with this ship, the Russian project 22350 surpasses it in many ways, with a displacement of less than 2500 tons.
    2. gojesi
      0
      2 February 2012 07: 38
      Quote: lokdok
      And our weapons are not worse, but often better.

      name at least something that they have better !!! Well, I mean from the combined arms ??? And this despite the fact that we were knocked out of the arms race for 20 years, survived the terrible war of liberalism! What do they have better ???
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        25 February 2012 19: 37
        Management systems, reconnaissance, target designation, support, basing, information support and cover ... continue?