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Who benefits from the lie of Denis Pushilin: mayhem or lawlessness?

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For a start, it makes sense to make a short statement. I am not personally acquainted with any of the heroes of the article. Not with Pushilin, nor with Purgin. Therefore, I pretend to some impartiality in assessments and judgments. Nothing personal, just facts.


Who benefits from the lie of Denis Pushilin: mayhem or lawlessness?


So, you can sum up some of the results. Andrew E. Purgin still released. Together with him his wife and Alexandrov Jr. Of course, four days in the premises of the MGB for a person with parliamentary immunity can not be called a good result, but I note, it could be worse. And it happened more than once in the unrecognized republics.

So I am genuinely pleased that this part stories ended in a similar way. But there is no doubt that there will be a continuation.

I will begin, perhaps, with the recording of a very short telephone conversation with the current deputy of the People’s Council of the DPR, Ellada Borisovna Shafner. The conversation turned out to be very short, because I spoke with Hellas Borisovna when she and a group of comrades were waiting for the moment when Purgina had to be released from the MGB. And our conversation was interrupted by this very event.

Later we contacted her again and brought our conversation to the end. But this is a topic for a separate article, which will naturally follow.



Here is the opinion of an eyewitness to the events. How impartial it is - a difficult question, but I have no doubt about the veracity of what she said. For it is best to judge a man by his deeds. And right affairs behind Ellada Borisovna are more than enough.

As an opposite opinion, I will cite the material of Alexander Chalenko (http://ukraina.ru/interview/20150908/1014227438.html).

And here, actually, in these two materials there were a few strange moments, on which I would like to focus everyone’s attention. In general, we are talking about an ordinary lie, performed by, however, not an ordinary person. And clothed with a fair amount of power.

Lie first. "Purgin is my friend, but the truth is more precious"

Quotes from the interview:

- Denis, so what happened with Andrei Purgin there? You seemed to be always friends, participated together in the Russian spring.

- Andrey and I continue to be friends and colleagues.

“Even after what happened?”

- Yes. In all this there is no political motive, there is more organizational, hardware moment. Here the reason is not in Andrei Purgin. All disagreements, all misunderstandings that arose among the deputies of the People’s Council of the DPR, appeared not because of Andrei Yevgenyevich, but directly because of Aleksandrov.

Perfectly! This is for me, so a couple of such friends and comrades like Pushilin and enemies are not necessary. We will talk about Aleksandrov’s “root of evil” a little later, there is material. But here it turns out that because of another person, or rather, because of his statements, the deputy, who has the status of immunity, went to the MGB for four days.

Moreover, his spouse, who definitely had no relation to Alexandrov, went with him. And what is absolutely disgraceful, his son was arrested as a bait in order to catch Alexandrov. Who was forced to call his father to tell him where he is. That is, in the MGB.

Somehow, Joseph Vissarionovich said the historical phrase: "Son for the father is not the defendant."

And Pushilin respondent. Here is a deal.

The second lie. The legitimacy of dismissal of Purgin

Here we turn to the documents that Shaftner promised to send. And sent. Here they are.









Here it is necessary to explain such a moment. It was 28 of August that the vote on the coordinating council was to take place, which could have been removed and appointed to the posts of deputies. Changes in the law on the regulation of the National Assembly of the DPR.

As can be seen from the screenshots, there was no meeting. Accordingly, the bill was not adopted. Accordingly, the September 4 vote on the removal of Purgin was absolutely illegitimate.

Yes, we can say that in the evening, having collected a quorum for voting, the deputies who were displeased with Aleksandrov voted for this bill, approved it, and then, without departing from the ticket office, they also approved Purgin’s resignation. Could this be? Suppose it could.

Here is a link to the People’s Council website: http://dnr-sovet.su/zakonodatelnaya-deyatelnost/prinyatye/zakony/.

I draw attention to the fact that first the law is adopted, then signed by the head of the NPT, then published. And only from the moment of publication it is the law. So it should be according to the Constitution of the DPR. But if you really want, you can not care about her. What, in fact, gentlemen deputies under the leadership of Pushilin did.

Here is a decree signed by Pushilin on that memorable evening.
http://dnr-sovet.su/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Postanovlenie-333P-NS.pdf.

Pay attention to the wording: "Once back off from ..." Enough. The beginning of lawlessness and lawlessness. They retreated once - it will be necessary, and the second and third time will recede. One deputy (about him a little later, I expect to return to a conversation with him) said: "We were told that this was necessary."

No sooner said than done.

But here's another strange thing. The Constitution of the DPR is called. By the way, Pushilin (as the person who signed the document) refers to it in the resolution. What does the 2 part of the 70 article say? I will give the whole.

2. Resolution of the People’s Council of Donetsk People’s Republic:

1) adopts the regulations of the People’s Council of the Donetsk People’s Republic and addresses the internal regulations of its activities;
2) are appointed and dismissed by officials whose appointment and dismissal are under the authority of the People’s Council of the Donetsk People’s Republic;
3) the consent to the appointment of officials is made out if the giving of such consent falls under the authority of the People’s Council of the Donetsk People’s Republic;
4) elections of deputies of the People’s Council of the Donetsk People’s Republic and elections of the head of the Donetsk People’s Republic are appointed;
5) is appointed a referendum of the Donetsk People's Republic;
6) is issued a decision on the dismissal of the head of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as distrust (confidence) in the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Donetsk People's Republic, if the head of the Donetsk People's Republic does not combine his position with the position of the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Donetsk People's Republic;
7) other decisions are made on issues that are referred by this Constitution and the laws of the Donetsk People's Republic to the competence of the People's Council of the Donetsk People's Republic.

I draw your attention to the sub-paragraph 2. Since the deputies were so unhappy with Aleksandrov’s behavior, could they, on the basis of this sub-clause, take and fire him?

Easily.

And for this it was not worth to fence all that we are seeing to this day. Yes, in the Regulations on the Staff of the National Assembly of the DPR (http://dnr-online.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Polozheniye_ob_Apparate_Narodnogo_Soveta_DNR.pdf) it is written that the head of the National Assembly appoints and removes the head. But the Constitution is somewhat higher than this provision.

Of course, I could be wrong. And indeed, the whole People's Council Aleksandrov was "too tough". But here are the points of the documents to which Pushilin refers, they say the opposite.

So not Alexandrov was the first goal. And Alexandrov’s dismissal could have been done with much smaller special effects. And do not wait until he leaves the DNI, in order to impute to him and Purgin an attempt to disrupt the meeting. To which they could not arrive precisely because the MGB, on someone's orders, made every effort to prevent Purgin and Alexandrov from getting on it.

After all, if you really need, you can ...

On this, in fact, everything. More to talk about. It is unlikely that Zakharchenko in the evening of September 4 stood under the doors of the voting hall with a pen in order to pave the changes and additions to the National Assembly's work regulations. There was nothing urgent, the meeting was postponed, as you can see easily and simply. Miner's day was more important. So all this fuss, started by Pushilin - no more than an illegal fiction. Very reminiscent of the event in Kiev from the recent past.

The third lie. Just a working lie

Again, refer to the preservation sent to me. It already concerns that part which is called a simple fake. That is, we are dealing in general with informational crime, nothing more.

Look at the documents again. No one finds it strange that on September 8 National Assembly DNR starts to report on the work done? Yes, there is nothing strange. That just begs the question, was it the August 28 meeting, or not? Previous documents say there wasn’t. Canceled. Sheftner says there wasn’t, preparing for the holidays.







It turns out, was it? Who was present? What did you vote for? Yet the deputies were preparing the upcoming holidays ...

In general, another lie. In the performance of the new Chief of Staff of the National Assembly, appointed by the new President of the National Assembly Pushilin.

With the facts over. Now allow yourself a little personal.

Mr. Pushilin can be congratulated. By his actions, he caused the DPR such damage, which is probably not comparable with the shelling. Damage in the eyes of Russians who sincerely supported the republic.

For more than a year, we, Russians, personally supported, who with what could, the struggle of the people of Donbass for their future. In our understanding - a bright future. Building people's republics

This is not even the case of Andrei Evgenievich Purgin. The fact is that in this situation, tomorrow this can happen again with another person. The point is no law. The fact is that the law was sacrificed in favor of the interests of a single person. For the good of it, in the name of some higher interests, it doesn't matter.

Having well thought over everything seen and heard, I realized one thing - Mr. Pushilin do not care about the law.

If it were otherwise, there would not be all these lies (and I didn’t bring all the facts of Pushilin’s lies), there would be no arbitrariness in relation to a deputy of the People’s Council, there wouldn’t be all this fussing about.

We absolutely sincerely supported the Donbass. Helped from the heart. We want to see in the end the fraternal PEOPLE republics. Where there is law and order.

For now we see lawlessness and lawlessness. The silence of the first person of the DPR and the blatant lie of the second.

Apparently, Mr. Pushilin has not yet realized that education, for the benefit of which he must work, is a state under construction. Donetsk People's Republic.

And not just another branch of "MMM".

* * *

With the end of the summer vacation period, we resume our live broadcasts on Internet radio.

And the first will be devoted to the events taking place in the DPR.

On Thursday, 10 September, Moscow will be broadcast on 19-00 with people who take certain positions in relation to everything that is happening in Ukraine and in the DPR.

These are Yuri / yurasumy and Mikhail / Mikle1, famous columnists.

On the agenda will be issues of the situation in the DPR, Pushilin, Purgin, the struggle for the Russian world.

They will also answer all questions that you have during the transfer.

Questions can be asked in advance in the comments to the topic, marked "question". They will be announced first.

During the broadcast, questions in writing can be asked on Skype radio: topwar_radio.

To hear the broadcast, use the "Radio" button on the top panel.
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  1. simargl
    simargl 9 September 2015 06: 53 New
    +26
    Real fighters for democracy have been eliminated. Remained fighters for power.
    1. vlade99
      vlade99 9 September 2015 08: 33 New
      +12
      Quote: simargl
      Remained fighters for power.

      Surkov sluts remained.
      1. skeptic
        skeptic 9 September 2015 10: 14 New
        +7
        Quote: vlade99
        Quote: simargl
        Remained fighters for power.

        Surkov sluts remained.


        Not a fact - they may be sluts in a different projection. But that whores - I agree. Like almost all deputies in the world.

        1. severniy
          severniy 9 September 2015 11: 07 New
          -18
          Quote: Mig-29
          That's interesting ... The author of the article is not familiar with Pushilin, not with Purgin. Why, then, dissolve gossip, speculation? And the comments went: power struggle, marmots! Do you know this for sure? Do you take part in events? Understand all the intricacies of geopolitics? Guys, calm down and stop being driven on dill and evil propaganda. Whoever is against Pushilin is against Putin - that’s what I advise you to understand.

          I completely agree ... How to judge without knowing ... But I liked this phrase:

          "Joseph Vissarionovich also said the historical phrase:" The son is not the defendant for the father "

          Yosya, the other specialist in the game with words was ... It was said that this was applied to his beloved. And the lope was planted and shot for his father, son, brother ....
          1. severniy
            severniy 9 September 2015 12: 53 New
            -10
            Uuuuuh, how red, but it’s on your conscience, and I had my great-grandfather (Soviet officer) in the Crimea shot just for the surname, didn’t you know you had to evacuate the prisoners before retreating and leave the enemy ... And his family (wife and two daughters) to Bashkiria! So what are your minuses, and Dzhugashvilli hi fiery ...
          2. Tambov Wolf
            Tambov Wolf 9 September 2015 13: 10 New
            +12
            Read about Yakov Stalin and why Stalin did not change the soldier for the general. And it may be enough to pour the false fabrications of the enemies of the people on I.V. Stalin. Who can now sacrifice children for the good of the country? Can you tell me.
    2. Mig-29
      Mig-29 9 September 2015 09: 11 New
      -1
      That's interesting ... The author of the article is not familiar with Pushilin, not with Purgin. Why, then, dissolve gossip, speculation? And the comments went: power struggle, marmots! Do you know this for sure? Do you take part in events? Understand all the intricacies of geopolitics? Guys, calm down and stop being driven on dill and evil propaganda. Whoever is against Pushilin is against Putin - that’s what I advise you to understand.
      1. user
        user 9 September 2015 09: 50 New
        +7
        Who is against Pushilin, he is against Putin — I advise you to understand.


        By the way this news was presented in the media (well, at least in Russia 24), this is not entirely true, it is especially strange when they were wrapped up at the border (and not Russian border guards), and even for further coverage of these events. All the same, I think they want to confront everyone with a fait accompli, and this is not gut (especially for those who follow events in one way or another, I’m not talking about those who participate in them, it reminds me of the time of Berezovsky’s untimely departed - who has a muzzle wider and right).
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 9 September 2015 09: 54 New
        +3
        I didn’t read the article. Things happening in the structure called, according to the Minsk agreements, "Separate areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions with special stasus", ORDILOSOS in an abridged version, I have not been very interested in recently.
        Roman, for whom? For Pushilin or for Purgin?
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 9 September 2015 10: 06 New
          +6
          Quote: baltika-18
          Roman, for whom? For Pushilin or for Purgin?


          Author in "drift" ...

          This is a classic characterizing this behavior, when you don’t quite understand what is what, and you want to be a participant ...



          In general, I would like to "hold out" to the so-called "local elections" scheduled for October 18. Maybe even then, somehow (I don’t know if it’s possible ...), we’ll deal with the GKChP and the Pushilov’s ...
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 9 September 2015 11: 21 New
            +7
            Quote: Tanais
            Author in "drift" ...

            The author, by the way, many times “went” there with the “humanitarian aid” that we gathered here long before your appearance here, and personally met with those who fought for New Russia. (This is so, for your horizons)
            1. Tanais
              Tanais 9 September 2015 11: 52 New
              +3
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              The author, by the way, many times “went” there with the “humanitarian aid” that we gathered here long before your appearance here, and personally met with those who fought for New Russia. (This is so, for your horizons)


              Before writing anything, I somewhat “broadened my horizons” by going into the author’s profile and reading his KEY PUBLICATIONS ...

              Frankly, the “early” Skomorokhov, with his admiration for individuals in New Russia, quickly underwent certain transformations, which often turned into personal hostility, and attempts at a “journalistic investigation” ...

              But at the same time, now more "fresh" publications, about the same personalities, say something completely different.

              Well then ... The old Slavic tradition: "About the deceased is either good or nothing."

              It would be better NOTHING. And then, somehow it turns out dually ...
              1. Banshee
                9 September 2015 19: 39 New
                +3
                Question: what is your right to float here? My opinion is my opinion, and it is not for you from Odessa to either condemn or blame him.

                You all showed yours. In May last year.
          2. Buffalo
            Buffalo 9 September 2015 15: 56 New
            +1
            This is unlikely to figure it out.
            Current election technologies have been worked out to the finer points.
            You don’t catch the helm by the hand. In the USA, for example, two games are played and, in my opinion, there was not a single failure, except for the killed John Kennedy.
          3. Banshee
            9 September 2015 19: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Tanais
            This is a classic characterizing this behavior, when you don’t quite understand what is what, and you want to be a participant ...


            This applies primarily to you, Mr. Odessa, who is trying hard to impersonate a Donetsk citizen.

            Quote: Tanais
            Maybe even then, somehow (I really don’t know if it is possible ...), let’s look at the “GKChP” and “Pushilivschyna” ...


            Oh yes, you figure it out ... With Mishiko, figure it out first.
            1. Tanais
              Tanais 10 September 2015 22: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Banshee
              This applies primarily to you, Mr. Odessa, who is trying hard to impersonate a Donetsk citizen.

              The degree of your defilement, knows no bounds in the perception of realities ... If I am "Odessa", then you are at least a goose dill ...

              And I’m not a “Donetsk citizen”, as you stubbornly want to introduce me, but a “miner”, the city of Shakhtyorsk, 70 km east of Donetsk ...

              Quote: Banshee
              Oh yes, you figure it out ... With Mishiko, figure it out first.



              If we plow too deeply, then RUSSIA should deal with Mishiko on the FIRST TIME, sir, your new avatar, BUNSHA ... yes
        2. Banshee
          9 September 2015 19: 34 New
          0
          Quote: baltika-18
          Roman, for whom? For Pushilin or for Purgin?


          For Purgin unequivocally.
      3. fif21
        fif21 9 September 2015 10: 17 New
        -7
        Quote: Mig-29
        Why, then, dissolve gossip, speculation?
        This is annoying. There is a process of formation of the republics. Some politicians come, others leave. It is naive to believe that the DPR and LPR will be independent republics. And whoever pays the money and orders the music. And to arrange tantrums in the VO is unnecessary. The decision was made on the basis of the military-political situation, and we have no right to decide whether it is right or not.
        1. dmb
          dmb 9 September 2015 10: 46 New
          +9
          Tantrums generally do not need to be arranged anywhere. But it is possible and necessary to evaluate decisions, otherwise one day, it may turn out that the "wise decisions" were not so wise, or even stupid. At the same time, you will pay for these stupid decisions personally, and not the “sage" who accepted them at all.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 9 September 2015 15: 40 New
            0
            Quote: dmb
            Tantrums generally do not need to be arranged anywhere. But it is possible and necessary to evaluate decisions, otherwise one day, it may turn out that the "wise decisions" were not so wise, or even stupid. At the same time, you will pay for these stupid decisions personally, and not the “sage" who accepted them at all.

            I got the impression that you, DMB, in some incomprehensible way, looked into the future. My applause. hi
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      5. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 9 September 2015 13: 16 New
        -1
        Do you think that Putin is the Lord God, untouchable and doing everything right and not subject to any criticism. Yes, dear, you create an idol in the form of God. Read the Bible at your leisure so that after the departure of your idol, you do not have to change your mind, which fluctuates along with the party line.
      6. hrych
        hrych 9 September 2015 14: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Mig-29
        power struggle, marmots ... Whoever is against Pushilin is against Putin

        Immediately the headline does not leave Pushilin a chance. Lies and everything. I agree that we do not have enough information. But the fact that only thanks to the leadership of the Russian Federation, the DNI and LNR exist is unambiguous. For the sake of this, let it be, marmots, not marmots, but at least someone, if only there was help and people were paid pensions and salaries, and still they gave everyone passports of the Russian Federation. With all due respect, the merits of the same Strelkov (whom Surkov allegedly leaked), but military operations to defeat tens of thousands of heavily armed regular units in boilers do not belong to his merits. And about Purgin, you need to look at the investigation materials in order to draw conclusions, and Pushilin is nevertheless a direct participant in the Minsk talks and there is a lot of him that is held in this scheme and his discrediting is unacceptable.
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 9 September 2015 14: 49 New
          0
          Quote: hrych
          With all due respect, the merits of the same Strelkov (whom Surkov allegedly leaked), but military operations to defeat tens of thousands of heavily armed regular units in boilers do not belong to his merits.


          You do not own the completeness of the information. During the liquidation of the "Southern Cauldron", after the Riflemen had left Slavyansk, he personally, as the Minister of Defense of the DPR, coordinated the actions of the militia near Saur Mogila, on the "corridor", under Snezhniy ...

          Of course, it’s not surprising, time will pass, and the “commanders I-la Pushilin” will come out in the first roles ...
          1. hrych
            hrych 9 September 2015 20: 34 New
            0
            Firstly, Strelkov is a citizen of another state, and there, as a public person, there was no longer any place for him, hence figures from local ones, including Zakharchenko, were taken. I hope this is clear and true. Secondly, we will be frank, the level of a field commander, albeit a symbol of insurrection, is one thing, but partisanism is one, and military operations using armored vehicles, artillery and air defense systems are the prerogative of specialists at the General Staff level. Pushilin is not a military leader, (as Purgin actually is) and does not pretend to be a command, this is a political figure, but I repeat in Minsk he is irreplaceable, well, actually the coordination with the Kremlin is bad or good, but who pays, he orders the music, that’s law.
        2. Banshee
          9 September 2015 19: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: hrych
          And about Purgin, it is necessary to look at the materials of the investigation in order to draw conclusions, and Pushilin, nevertheless, is a direct participant in the Minsk talks and has a lot on it, which is kept in this scheme and its discredit is unacceptable.


          Applause.

          What investigation materials do you need to look at?

          Would you read some documents ... interviews to which there were links.

          Eh ... read everything through the paragraph.
          1. hrych
            hrych 9 September 2015 20: 47 New
            0
            It’s politics, that Purgin, that Pushilin are politicians, I personally don’t care much about their problems, there’s a war going on and it matters what the General Staff decided, and the politicians who started fussing in the rear, and Purgin and Aleksandrov, nevertheless, fussing, should be subjected to obstruction. At one time, in the besieged Slavyansk, Strelkov arrested Mayor Ponomarev and rightly so, there is no place for politicians at the front.
            1. hrych
              hrych 9 September 2015 21: 53 New
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        3. Mig-29
          Mig-29 10 September 2015 00: 55 New
          -1
          Immediately the headline does not leave Pushilin a chance. Lies and everything. I agree that we do not have enough information. But the fact that only thanks to the leadership of the Russian Federation, the DNI and LNR exist is unambiguous. For the sake of this, let it be, marmots, not marmots, but at least someone, if only there was help and people were paid pensions and salaries, and still they gave everyone passports of the Russian Federation. With all due respect, the merits of the same Strelkov (whom Surkov allegedly leaked), but military operations to defeat tens of thousands of heavily armed regular units in boilers do not belong to his merits. And about Purgin, you need to look at the investigation materials in order to draw conclusions, and Pushilin is nevertheless a direct participant in the Minsk talks and there is a lot of him that is held in this scheme and his discrediting is unacceptable.

          It's nice to communicate with a smart and thinking person.
      7. Banshee
        9 September 2015 19: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Mig-29
        Who is against Pushilin, he is against Putin — I advise you to understand.


        Well, where is Putin saying that he is for the gun? You spread gossip yourself.

        Quote: Mig-29
        Do you know that for sure? Do you take part in events? Understand all the intricacies of geopolitics?


        Affirmative answer And I know how to use my head, unlike you.
        1. Mig-29
          Mig-29 10 September 2015 00: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Banshee
          Well, where is Putin saying that he is for the gun? You spread gossip yourself.

          To paraphrase: forces opposing Pushilin on a par with forces opposing Putin. These forces may have different leaders, but they are doing one destructive thing.
          And there is no need to twist the words that they say Putin for the Gun.
          “Unlike me, you know how to use your head” - to where the proletarian is to me, I can only beat the muzzle with my head.
        2. Tanais
          Tanais 10 September 2015 23: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Banshee
          Affirmative answer And I know how to use my head, unlike you.


          Yes, not HEAD ... ... A WORD ...
      8. alone
        alone 9 September 2015 20: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Mig-29
        Who is against Pushilin, he is against Putin — I advise you to understand.

        Haha !! you haven’t laughed at that for a long time))) You have just put the President of the Russian Federation on a par with the average fraudster, a man who was an MMM-scammer (read a swindler). We all know that swindlers are a special caste. swindler)))). Unforgivable caution))

        PS With such figures as Pishulin, these peoples of the republic will go far))) hi
        1. Mig-29
          Mig-29 10 September 2015 00: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: lonely
          Quote: Mig-29
          Who is against Pushilin, he is against Putin — I advise you to understand.

          Haha !! you haven’t laughed at that for a long time))) You have just put the President of the Russian Federation on a par with the average fraudster, a man who was an MMM-scammer (read a swindler). We all know that swindlers are a special caste. swindler)))). Unforgivable caution))

          PS With such figures as Pishulin, these peoples of the republic will go far))) hi


          You Nostradumus know better where the republics will go. I do not argue.
          The one who amused me was the people who twisted my words into the fact that "Putin is for Pushka, the RF Supreme Court, is defending a swindler, he has created idols for himself, etc." Ugh!
    3. sherp2015
      sherp2015 9 September 2015 11: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: simargl
      Real fighters for democracy have been eliminated. Remained fighters for power.

      Quote: vlade99
      Surkov sluts remained.


      Yes ... Pushilen did something ugly somehow ... rotten!
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt 9 September 2015 13: 23 New
      +11
      Thanks to the author! No arguing against the facts. Already on the program "Sunday evening with Solovyov" it sounded that the resignation of Purgin - the usual procedure. Nichrome itself ordinary !? If the second person in the state is first not allowed into their own republic, and then, together with his wife, they drag him into the basement for kitsch for four days! In any case, Purgin was obliged to attend this meeting personally, but someone did not need this. They decided behind the scenes, illegally and using violence in the form of illegal arrest without trial. Or will someone say that this is not a coup?
      So Roman was right when he compared this action with the Civil Code emergency.
      1. Banshee
        9 September 2015 19: 42 New
        -1
        Quote: siberalt
        Against the facts you will not trample. Already on the program “Sunday evening with Solovyov,” it sounded that Purgin’s resignation was a normal procedure.


        Yes. That's just for the implementation of this "normal procedure" required a "one-time deviation" from the Constitution.
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 10 September 2015 23: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Banshee
          Yes. That's just for the implementation of this "normal procedure" required a "one-time deviation" from the Constitution.

          WHAT ?, CONSTITUTIONS, YOU PERSONALLYrecognized? If the constitution would have been recognized, probably the state, would have at least some status .... "slip" on a level ground, Mr. House Manager ...
  2. Sasha75
    Sasha75 9 September 2015 06: 59 New
    0
    Purely my opinion is more visible to them there that they took power to do, and this business is not as easy as it seems let them learn.
  3. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 9 September 2015 07: 16 New
    +7
    no law, no state
  4. soldner
    soldner 9 September 2015 07: 23 New
    +4
    Emotionally, hastily. Well, there is so far no clearly charismatic leader in the Donbass, after all, neither people nor curators choose him. Apparently the time has not come.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 9 September 2015 08: 49 New
      +13
      Quote: soldner
      Apparently the time has not come.

      already gone. There will be no charismatics. There will be routines.
    2. avt
      avt 9 September 2015 09: 03 New
      +21
      Quote: soldner
      Emotionally

      Well, yes, of course emotionally.
      Quote: soldner
      hastily.

      Well, here you can agree, although if instead of the initial talk about the “coup” to begin with this, you could probably speak promptly. The exact conclusion was reached with which I will absolutely not argue, Mr. Pushilin can be congratulated. By his actions, he inflicted such a damage on the DPR that is probably not comparable to the shelling. Damage in the eyes of the Russians who sincerely supported the republic. "------ Again, ---- ,, In the meantime, we see lawlessness and lawlessness. The silence of the first person of the DPR and the outright lie of the second. "---- Does not add authority to the leadership. They decided to wait for the campaign - it will resolve itself, well, this story - yes. Does it look like we were coded and silent in anticipation of the reaction - it will be rolled or punished? But where is the guarantee against repetition ??? request “Apparently, Mr. Pushilin has not yet realized that the education for the benefit of which he must work is a state under construction. Donetsk People's Republic.

      And not another branch of "MMM". "----- Well, Roman - you won’t drink skill. laughing Pushilin clearly, like the builder of the pyramid, goes only upward without regard to circumstances and those around him, such is the algorithm of ANY pyramid’s work - to hit the jackpot, and there’s at least a flood ... although I had enough of that - I look back at the circumstances of my own safety - when I need to leave the line of fire , and in the literal sense, too. The main mistake of Purgin is that he personally did not lead the Minsk talks. But Pushilin clearly calculated that this was his chance to sparkle his face in front of the powers that be, and they wouldn’t forget. , well, in its place.
      1. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 9 September 2015 09: 29 New
        +14
        Quote: avt
        , Mr. Pushilin can be congratulated. By his actions, he inflicted damage to the DNI, which is probably not comparable to the shelling. Damage in the eyes of Russians sincerely supporting the republic. "



        What is true is true. All these semi-criminal showdowns make you wonder: where did the ideas about the "Russian world" go if the struggle for power and redistribution of property came first.
        1. Tambov Wolf
          Tambov Wolf 9 September 2015 13: 20 New
          +3
          You have already answered Article 282 about the Russian world.
    3. Warrior Hamilton
      Warrior Hamilton 10 September 2015 09: 49 New
      0
      Charismatic leaders were shot or racketed. Less charismatic shut up. By the fact that Moscow is persistently silent, it is clear that it is “unknowing”, and Petya Gilt is “unknowing”. No one is "tasteful" In the DPR, ongoing evolutionary processes are taking place! Everything is going right, according to the laws of the historical development of human society, without any intervention from “Outside”. So, if “suddenly” it doesn’t work out, you can honestly, without looking away, say with confidence: “They drowned”!
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 September 2015 07: 31 New
    +1
    In a situation of civil war, personal disagreement on certain issues, this is inevitable. Let's see how events will develop further.
    1. Apsit
      Apsit 9 September 2015 10: 24 New
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      In a situation of civil war, personal disagreement on certain issues, this is inevitable. Let's see how events will develop further.

      All right
  6. Tktyfern
    Tktyfern 9 September 2015 07: 51 New
    +8
    Strong is the devil, great human weakness. The trunks have not had time to cool down yet, but they are already dismissing true ideologists and defenders. So it was and will be. On the patriotic popular wave, patriots, not businessmen, come to power. Pushilin plays by someone’s rules.
  7. azbukin77
    azbukin77 9 September 2015 08: 10 New
    +14
    Mr. Pushilin can be congratulated. By his actions, he inflicted damage to the DNI, which is probably not comparable to the shelling. Damage in the eyes of the Russians, sincerely supporting the republic. This is a quote from the article-do not diminish not add!
  8. RiverVV
    RiverVV 9 September 2015 08: 26 New
    0
    I read hohlokammenty. Pinned. Ukrainians did not appreciate the main thing: one pawn at the request of the grandmaster moved and another place took its place. No noise and dust. What is this talking about? On the absolute controllability of the governments of the LPR and the DPR. Ukrainians can’t do this even at the command of the American ambassador. Give them all the Maidan.
    Svidomye.
  9. oracul
    oracul 9 September 2015 08: 34 New
    +4
    I don’t know what to comment on here, I read the information on one side (albeit with reservations) and I consider it clearly not complete to draw far-reaching conclusions. The rhetorical question: What else had to be done to Gorbachev (Yeltsin, Khrushchev, Trotsky, etc.) so that their supporters disappeared? Alas! They are and do not want to see in their idols the dark sides of their activity, since they personally received from them (with them) what was in their understanding the most expensive and important. No matter what the majority has lost.
  10. Yurmix
    Yurmix 9 September 2015 09: 58 New
    +1
    They say that spies poisoned the moonshine, but bread bread made from fish scales.
    And like flies here and there rumors go home, and toothless old women carry them to their minds.
    (V.S.V) recourse
    1. fif21
      fif21 9 September 2015 10: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: YURMIX
      And like flies here and there rumors go home, and toothless old women carry them to their minds.

      Scary already horror! drinks I love Vysotsky.
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  11. Belarus
    Belarus 9 September 2015 10: 15 New
    +7
    The good news is that the person is alive. It’s hard to say what’s going on there. Pushilin certainly hit it hard. If I wanted to take it off I would have done it quietly. And so I put him in the basement and held some kind of “vote” to remove , some jamb with documents. And the fact that he is Akhmetov’s man confuses me a little.
    As the saying goes, let's see what comes of all this, but the Kiev authorities are clear from this indescribable enthusiasm, and if the whole Donbass is drained, it’s just not GDP, but such tricks and the consequences that follow.
    And now, if someone does not agree, you can kick.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 9 September 2015 13: 42 New
      +2
      The silence of Zakharchenko is eloquent and mysterious. winked
  12. Egoza
    Egoza 9 September 2015 10: 18 New
    +4
    Question. In this situation, can we assume that Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky were indeed elected by the people? Plotnitsky’s “everything is quiet,” because he immediately obeyed “someone” and does what the “interested parties dictate?”
    Are new fair elections possible?
    1. avt
      avt 9 September 2015 10: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      Are new fair elections possible?

      And this is actually what - ,, fair elections "???? wassat I’m recalling the beginning of the 90s and the rallies in Moscow with shouts - “Boris!” Fight! "I won’t take it into my mind - EBON ,, honestly" won the election? For the 96th I do not ask. So what actually ,, fair elections "? request Sorry, but such statements about ,, fair elections "are more like adjusting the result to your own desires, but taking into account the desires of every single person, these same elections will never be" honest "anywhere. So it’s better to talk about very specific manipulations of words in election campaigns and quite specific technologies for achieving election results. Actually, the term “fair elections” in Russia is thrown into the USA-fed, non-systemic opposition, although it is fully integrated into the USA system , in order to discredit ANY result that doesn’t suit her, what Bush did in Ukraine, declaring in advance that the elections were not fair "if they didn’t choose Yushchenko and made, contrary to the constitution," independent ", the most funny thing is that the people in the crowd considered this action - ,, fair elections " wassat , accepted and did not blather, even rejoiced ...... not for long though.
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  14. Gardamir
    Gardamir 9 September 2015 10: 31 New
    +11
    First, the change in tone of Putin’s speeches in June 2014, then the murder of Mozgovoy put an end to dreaming of New Russia. So this case does not show anything. It’s just that Pushilin can be friends with Kiev. Maybe Zakharchenko still interferes?
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 9 September 2015 11: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      then Mozgovoy’s murder put an end to dreaming of New Russia.

      initially there were doubts about the viability of the HP project. Now the advantage is on the xoxlov side. They need a little patience - the militia will scatter around the houses and no military operation will be needed. Rotting from the head has already begun.
  15. wild
    wild 9 September 2015 11: 14 New
    0
    DNR and LC turn into Ukraine 2.0. It’s a pity, offensively all right, from our interpreters the sense is all the same zero. We will look, they live there. Let the Maidan go overthrow the government and choose others. And do not drive Pushilin, he is just a pawn in the calloused hands of the puppeteer, the surname could be any. And he was moved initially, and to Minsk and beyond.
  16. pexotinec
    pexotinec 9 September 2015 11: 22 New
    +9
    I don’t know why Pushilin from the very beginning does not inspire confidence. I don’t know why, some kind of sweet one. In their situation, people need time and battle tested.
  17. bobba94
    bobba94 9 September 2015 11: 28 New
    +3
    Funny article. The author speaks in all seriousness about the constitution of the DPR, laws, deputies, and the people's council. All this is strange.
  18. vyinemeynen
    vyinemeynen 9 September 2015 11: 56 New
    +4
    very sensible article and without hysteria the author respects!
  19. Yarik
    Yarik 9 September 2015 12: 01 New
    +1
    In Donetsk they say. that Dvorkovich’s people are behind Pushilin’s back, so he won’t let anyone into the trough
  20. Black
    Black 9 September 2015 12: 37 New
    +4
    ..... shame, just SHAME !!!!
    Zakharchenko wouldn’t be a PR person with a gun - and here he should show his will and strength and authority! But no, it’s easier to "run away to the Winter" as a sailor.
  21. Vladimir Vasilich
    Vladimir Vasilich 9 September 2015 12: 56 New
    +2
    I completely agree with the Author - the Law is violated and not even the Form, but the Ethics of the Law. And we want to BELIEVE (ethical category) in justice and nobleness of the Donbass struggle for their independence
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 9 September 2015 13: 46 New
      +1
      When they trample down the law, this is no longer ethics, but pure criminality!
  22. provincial
    provincial 9 September 2015 13: 02 New
    0
    And what do you think, a new state is being created, so there is a war of struggle, people will have to wait until they decide who will be the king, father, who will be the rest slaves, the war is possible at the end, and life goes on, who managed to not be late.
  23. Captain45
    Captain45 9 September 2015 13: 53 New
    0
    Here is another interesting version of Purgin’s resignation -http: //ru-an.info/author.php? Rid = 1314, and to be honest, the devil will figure them out who is right and who is to blame. A muddy thing, we must wait for the final result. The lack of accurate information, the presence of conflicting points of view on what is happening, sometimes imposed by the media-information warfare, do not give the right conclusion. To accurately understand and evaluate the situation, you must be at the center of things yourself, cook in this boiler, and without it all the ratings expressed in the comments empty concussion not affecting the end result. m to wait, as they say, the war plan will show
  24. Bvg132
    Bvg132 9 September 2015 14: 48 New
    +5
    To detain a deputy who has immunity, to keep him in custody for several days and at the same time to take some kind of resolution against him. Don't you think that smells bad?
  25. Buffalo
    Buffalo 9 September 2015 16: 04 New
    +4
    I agree with the author of the article - Purgin was removed illegally. And local government officials caved in under pressure from the Kremlin. Remember how Kurginyan barked at Purgin when he arrived in the LPR! And how to explain the removal of Strelkova? Yes, the same lawlessness and administrative pressure, using humanitarian aid ...
    And this is in the hands of enemies. Now Novorossia is opposed by superior enemy forces, and here - civil strife, artificially created internal warfare.
    Whatever take from the leadership of the LPR, with the exception of the carpentry-furry bureaucrats and swindlers, all either survived or were killed.
  26. Burmistr
    Burmistr 9 September 2015 17: 48 New
    +1
    Well, just the Zhidomordovsky lawlessness, well-known
    sorry to get away
  27. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 9 September 2015 19: 22 New
    0
    Another mess in another country.
  28. fa2998
    fa2998 9 September 2015 19: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Chen
    .... shame, just SHAME !!!!

    The enemy is mocking on their land! We so hoped for a “Russian spring"! There must be unity, and they are torn apart! It affects the defense ability very badly, many will end up in Rostov, spit on everything. negative hi
  29. galakt
    galakt 9 September 2015 20: 26 New
    0
    The devil himself cannot understand them there, let them figure it out themselves. We all have heard only power-sweetness and dibs, preferably green. Look at the news of the media, to the peak of every day, the yellow press and something else, like a review of our vast country, look at the "social networks [Russia] ^ MediaMetrics, your mother! Well, the" on-line part "is direct.
  30. sergeysergey69
    sergeysergey69 10 September 2015 01: 22 New
    +3
    I rarely comment on articles, but I decided - I liked the phrase - we all worried about the Donbass, I’ll add on my own — not only worried, but also helped, I personally helped the refugees first, starting in July last year, then to the militia, the last time I drove in January just before the Debaltsev events, 20 sets - thermal underwear, berets, slides, sweaters and so on, then there was the murder of Batman, Ishchenko, Mozgovoy, it sprang to the DPR, besides, I saw strange things - there were dirty fighters in the trenches who had a pack of cigarettes for 2 days at the same time, representatives of the people’s government are being cut off by new cars, mostly off-road vehicles, a train of coal cars going around the clock to Russia, on the other hand, Russia has not been letting our cars with humanitarian aid into LDNR for a year now, we had to ship all the cargo in private cars and on the other side only White Kamazes pass them, such an indication, on the one hand, our volunteers who didn’t get a penny for participating, on the other hand, 3 km The lineup of Ukrainian vehicles entirely with young people on the border fleeing both the Ukrainian and the LDNR mobilization, I myself am from Rostov - there are so many Ukrainian cars here that sometimes you think I’m definitely in Russia ?! On Sunday, by chance, in “Rice” I came across Gubarev - he smoked peacefully with a hookah with 2 friends, in the spring a lot of volunteer patriots left LDNR - I talked with some - they say - 2nd Transnistria will be very dissatisfied, in general summing up personal impressions, I came to the conclusion that the current situation - this will be a long time, the conflict will be intensely frozen, and on both sides, the reason is Business, nothing more, the staff will be cleaned up further, the romantic revolutionaries will go — whoever — to Russia, the prison, the cemetery — to whom it will be lucky, because it’s profitable 2 to both sides in Russia and Ukraine is a kind of big, black Hole where you can write off everything and at the same time earn money, as they say - to whom war, to whom mother is dear! Russia's policy in this regard is inconsistent, unpredictable - short what is unclear, my opinion - of our government's greatest fear - is real Democracy and really people's republics - without oligarchs and corrupt officials - this does not fit into their dogma - our elite that is in power, and in their ideas about the world order - how so - they here they lived quietly, they shared petrodollars, and here - People, of course, are scared, they will agree faster with Akhmetov, Poroshenko and Tymoshenko, as in the saying - a raven, a crow ,,,,,,,, like this, we felt a rush after Crimea patriotism, and then a bummer - the elite is not ready, they put us back in place, well, don't get used to it!
  31. kig
    kig 10 September 2015 02: 36 New
    +1
    All this has already been in history. The revolution devours its heroes. It’s good that they were released alive, and apparently quite healthy.