Military Review

Fight for Gaza

43
There is no room for a Palestinian state


Against the background of civil wars in Libya, Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention what is happening in Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan and the Sahel countries, the army’s fight against the Islamists in Egypt, unrest in Lebanon and Turkey’s military confrontation and the Kurds, Palestinian territories seem to observers what they really are: a conflict of low intensity, not distinguished from many in the Middle East (FAS). The postulate that the problems of the region will be resolved, which seemed correct in the 80-s, should be dealt with in the conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis, has long outlived itself.

The then world political establishment believed that the Palestinian problem was the key to resolving internal conflicts in Jordan and Lebanon. Seriously affects the situation in Syria. Affects Egypt, Iraq and Tunisia, where, after the 1982-th lost by the Palestinians of the Lebanese war of XNUMX, Fatah fighters were evacuated and the headquarters of the PLO was relocated. The solution to the problem of international terrorism was seen in the pacification of Yasser Arafat and the partial satisfaction of his demands. Recall - in those years, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al-Shabab, the Taliban, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, and the more so the Islamic State were out of the question. FATH, DFLP, PFLP and other radical Palestinian organizations supported by Damascus, Baghdad, Tripoli and Moscow, which was not a secret, were active at BSV.

The Palestinian national liberation (revolutionary or terrorist - the reader will choose the definition that seems right) the movement seemed to politicians and political scientists the same as the closely related groups in Northern Ireland and Sri Lanka. In the end, the British government managed to reach an agreement with the Irish militants. With the Tamil separatists, the Sri Lankan army ended by force (which was possible in the Palestinian case, while the Israeli leadership in 80-s did not choose a different scenario under the influence of theories prevalent in the West). And the Palestinians, having received a unique chance to build a state, have missed it.

Circling


The fact that the Palestinian state for more than twenty years, during which the entire world community has helped its formation since the establishment of Israel, did not take place, is well known. Tens of billions of dollars were spent on the widely announced process of its creation without any visible result.

There is no end to this process, and the fact that it is the same financial and political scam as many projects born within the walls of the UN is clear to most of its actors and outside observers. Moreover, both Palestinians and Israelis lost from participating in it. Another question, who is more. In any case, the collapse of bilateral relations and the degradation of Palestinian society Arafat and his heirs provided. Those who have earned a Palestinian-Israeli settlement for the third decade, participating in the distribution of funds allocated by sponsors, and making a successful career in the bureaucratic institutions supervising the topic, will not agree with this. Their interest in perpetuating the process, which has long lost all meaning, besides the well-being of those involved in it, is understandable. There is no one to interrupt the senseless walking around the negotiating circle, which cannot end in anything and that is why it ends in nothing. Gordian knot in the very classical understanding of this term. And it seems that until the regional geopolitical catastrophe breaks out, which finally removes the construction of the Palestinian state from the agenda, no one will cut it.

The growing demands of the Palestinians against Israel are called upon to thwart Ramallah’s dialogue with Jerusalem, and not to achieve results. It is clear that if a Palestinian state arises, the flow of money from sponsors will dry up very quickly. The world economic crisis, the disintegration of Syria and Iraq, the problem of Yemen in the Arabian Peninsula, the need for Riyadh to keep afloat the economy of overcrowded Egypt, the disastrous situation with refugees from the BW and from Africa in Europe do not leave the Palestinians any hope of preserving the usual status of first-class refugees . Today, they are dealt with at the UN by a separate agency paying more than thirty rates. Tomorrow they can stand in line with millions of Afghans, Pakistanis, Arabs and Africans who are in much more distressed condition.

Fight for GazaAs a result, the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) based in Ramallah, which is constantly called autonomy (which it is not, since neither Jordan nor Israel does not control it), demands from the world community all the rights and privileges of the state Arafat took over when signing the Oslo Accords. Instead, it is attacking Israel with the support of external allies in international organizations, trying to get from it unilaterally concessions that Jerusalem cannot make - including in matters of security. This is taking into account the fact that since the spring of 1999, the Oslo prisoners and the agreements confirmed at Camp David have lost their force and Israel can denounce them at any time, it is very risky from the Palestinian side.

As a result of the described practice of the Palestinian leadership, the Government of Israel no longer recognizes Raisa PNA Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas) as a real partner and, formally maintaining a dialogue with him, leading him behind the scenes and with the hostile Fatah military movement Hamas hostile to Gaza during the civil war, against which Jerusalem has conducted in recent years three military operations. Israel has not destroyed the Hamas regime in Gaza, as demanded by a number of leading politicians and the population of this country, believing that the future of the PNA is questionable, and not wanting to strengthen Abu Mazen. The alternative was the return of direct control over Gaza, which Jerusalem did not want and does not want.

Realities and rituals


At the same time, the processes in the disputed territories in Judea and Samaria are developing in parallel, where Israeli settlements are expanding despite the government’s policy, with population growth significantly changing the demographic situation in the area. The United States, the European Union, the United Nations, the domestic Foreign Ministry and all countries of the Islamic world constantly express concern about this process, supporting the PNA administration in the fight against settlements. The Israeli government, verbally expressing its readiness to promote and expand them, as required by the voters of the parties in the ruling coalition, in fact sabotage settlement activities due to the unwillingness to enter into conflicts with its partners in the international arena. But settlements are built contrary to the government of Israel.

Tellingly, they are being built by Palestinian contractors and workers. Palestinians also work in enterprises located in industrial zones of settlements. And the main buyers of settlement shopping centers in Judea and Samaria are they despite the official ban of the PNA administration and the police confiscation of goods that the Palestinian population there acquired. Much of the investment in Israeli settlements is also being made by Palestinian businessmen (for more details, see MIC No. 14, 2015).

The latter explains Ramallah’s anti-settlement policy. The cooperation of the PNA business with the Israeli settlements creates an independent of the distribution channels of financial resources controlled by the Abu Mazen administration, the Palestinian economy. That is, in Judea and Samaria - in the West Bank, wealthy Palestinian clans appear that are not under its direct control, which was also the beginning of the 90's before the appearance of the PLO in the territory. And the first thing that Arafat did there to consolidate his power was the destruction of village elders, mukhtars, and their family clans, who for decades effectively collaborated with the Israeli authorities, as before with the authorities of Jordan, the British and Turkish administrations.

For the time being, the PNA irreversibly loses influence and turns from a factor of real politics into a ritual element of the geopolitical space. Hamas, in contrast, converts its weakness into its own strength, balancing between its opponents (Egypt, Israel) and its hostile patrons (Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia), betraying one or the other of them. The government of Israel chooses between a war with Hamas and a long truce with it. Representatives of the left-wing opposition demonstrate their commitment to peace by visiting Ramallah and meeting with the PNA leaders. Consider these processes, based on the research of experts IBI E. A. Yakimova and Yu. B. Shcheglovina.

In March 2015, representatives of the United Arab List (SLA) arrived to meet with Abu Mazen. The delegation included the chairman of the faction A. Ude, the deputies D. Zahalku, M. Ganaim and U. Saadi. The subject of discussion was the discussion of pre-election statements of Prime Minister Netanyahu and the electoral success of the list. On August 18, the head of the parliamentary opposition and the leader of the Zionist camp, Yitzhak Herzog, met with Abbas. The purpose of the negotiations, he outlined the need to combat the increased terrorist threat. In August, the head of the Meretz party, Zahava Gallon, was in Ramallah, discussing “Jewish terror” against the Palestinians with Abbas. She arrived in the delegation, which included current deputies and representatives of the party list, who were not included in the KNSET of the 20.

A series of attacks for the Israelis were a series of terrorist attacks and negotiations between Silvan Shalom and Saib Ariqat, which took place in the Jordanian capital Amman in July. They had experience with the Palestinian leader. I. Herzog laid great hopes on the visit from the point of view of the development of the situation on the Palestinian-Israeli track and his political future, stressing that he is even more radical than Netanyahu in the fight against terrorism. The interest of the representatives of Meretz and the “Zionist camp” to interact with Abbas shows that the Palestinian-Israeli peace process has given rise to a struggle within Israel for the opportunity to play a leading role.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confined himself to telephone calls with the PNA’s rais, followed by a meeting of the main negotiators. According to Israeli media reports, the government is close to concluding a long-term truce with Hamas, one of the conditions of which could be the improvement of the economic situation in Gaza. In this regard, the Duke hastened to entrust himself with the task of convincing the Israelis of a possible triumph of peace in the region. Gallon was more restrained in ambitions, preferring to focus on counter-terrorism actions.

Similar motives underlie Mahmoud Abbas’s interest in the deputies of the Israeli Knesset. Concerned about the rumors about an agreement between Israel and Hamas, reproached for the illegitimacy of his power, he made contact with those of them who would not complicate his political position. An additional factor that caused Abbas’s interest in the Israeli parliamentarians was the difficulties of the PNA in the Iranian direction after, according to regional media, he was denied a visit to Tehran. Not being able to participate directly in a key process for the region related to reaching an agreement on the Iranian nuclear program, he attempted to draw attention to the PNA conflict with Israel, which always brought him political dividends.

We note, however, that the contacts of the PNA leadership with representatives of the opposition do not help to reach agreements with Israel, which require cooperation with the leadership of this country. By attacking Netanyahu before the elections, the Duke could not ensure the success of his party bloc. It is difficult to believe that by stating a tougher stance against terror than the Prime Minister, he will be able to convince the Israelis that the peace process has a future. However, the center of gravity in the confrontation between Hamas and the PNA, in any case, lies in the intra-Palestinian relations and competition between the sponsoring countries, and not in the opposition of the ruling coalition and the opposition of Israel.

A characteristic feature of the modern stage of the internal struggle of the Palestinian elites was the decision of the Hamas leadership in the Gaza Strip to create a special service that could compete with the PNA special services, primarily with the Preventive Security Service (SPB), headed by Majid Faraj. The new structure will be headed by the former inspector of the Ministry of the Interior of the PNA Sami Naufal. It will consist of two departments: external intelligence and internal security. Experts believe that this decision was caused by serious disagreements on the issue of secret negotiations with Israel, affecting the leadership of the Palestinian power bloc.

The mediators in the negotiations were German and Qatari special services. Qatar's head of state security, Ghanem Al-Kubeisy, contacted the Israeli leadership through German colleagues about a construction agreement outside the Gaza Strip of a seaport that would be controlled by NATO forces. In addition to Qatar, this project was actively supported by Ankara. It was assumed that Hamas will help Egypt to neutralize the Islamist groups in the Sinai Peninsula and enter into a long-term truce agreement with Israel. Cairo was supposed to ease the economic blockade of Gaza. The Qataris acted as mediators in the consultations between the “man number two” in Hamas Abu Marzouk and the head of the Egyptian secret service H. Fawzi.

Iranian umbrella


These consultations caused a sharp rejection of the PNA leadership and its special services, which, according to rumors, led eventually to the resignation of the PLO head Mahmoud Abbas from his post, at which he was replaced by Palestinian diplomat Saib Arikat. The confusion also began in Hamas, which was divided into “Qatari” and “Gazian” segments, the latter also splitting. In the Gaza Strip, the deal was supported by Mahmoud al-Zahar, who was closely associated with the power unit, including the Izzeddine al-Qassam Brigade. Ismail Haniyeh and the political wing came out against her. It initiated the creation of a new special service of Hamas, subordinating only to the political wing and not “clogged” by supporters of al-Zahar.

If we consider the motivations of the participants in this process, we will see disagreements for more important reasons than the desire to conclude a long-term truce with Israel. In recent months, Hamas from the Gaza Strip have been actively trying to re-establish contact with Iran in order to renew Tehran’s sponsorship, which was interrupted due to the intrigues of the Hamas leadership in the person of Khaled Mashal and his supporters in connection with the events in Syria. The terms of the new union were agreed. Hamas supporters took part in the defense of Aleppo, while the Iranians promised to ship to Gaza new types of missile weapons and renew financial support. Hamas members were invited after a long break to a “prayer breakfast” in Lebanon, which took place during the Ramadan period in Beirut on the initiative of the Iranians.

Thus, the political wing and a part of the military structures of Hamas abroad set their sights on returning the organization to the “Iranian umbrella”. Qatar decided to seize the initiative by connecting the Turks and the Germans to it. Breakthrough was difficult to wait. Doha’s argument in the form of Hamas ARE’s help to eliminate the insurgent movement in Sinai looked weighty, but Cairo did not believe it. It was Doha that stepped up the subversive actions of terrorists in Sinai and in Egyptian cities in response to the military coup and repression against the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas, however, provided it with advisers and rear bases in Gaza for the militants of the Islamic State. For this, there was urgently created a group of "Partisans of Jerusalem", positioning itself as supporters of the IG.

In Cairo and Riyadh, which responded to Qatar’s steps, after an unsuccessful attempt to reach an agreement with Mashal during his visit to Saudi Arabia, they had no illusions about Doha’s intentions. That is why there is no progress either in easing the blockade of the Gaza Strip, or in reducing terrorist activity in Sinai and in Egypt as a whole. At the same time, the requirements of Doha extended not only to the construction of the port. She needed Cairo's consent to incorporate the Brothers into the country's political life. Judging by the death sentences of the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood, Cairo rejects this opportunity in principle. Since this could not have been foreseen in Doha, there is reason to believe that the Qatari initiative was only a smoke screen in order to cause a systemic crisis in the Gaza Strip and the PLO as a whole. What the Qataris have achieved.

The emergence of alternative intelligence services of Hamas indicates a growing split in the Gaza Strip with unpredictable consequences. The interests of Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel and Iran met there. The fight for Gaza for Doha is of key importance: through it, until recently, there was an supply of Islamists in Sinai. Today there is an alternative sea route from Libya, but it is not as efficient and easier to block. The ARE and Saudis have the same reasons, but with the opposite sign. Iran wants to restore influence there, as it gives him a chance to negotiate with the Arab Republic of Egypt on the Syrian conflict. It is not by chance that Bashar Asad said that the Egyptian-Syrian alliance could be a reliable barrier to the expansion of Islamists in the region. In this case, the Syrian President was referring to the "Islamic State", which for Damascus, Cairo and Tehran is a common enemy.

Is there a place for a Palestinian state in all the above-described domestic and international intrigues? The author does not see it. Does it need Cairo, Tehran, Doha, Riyadh and Jerusalem, who are disappointed in the Middle East settlement, to which the Palestinian leaders have made every effort? Not. So ultimately, everything will, as always, be reduced to a struggle for influence on the Palestinians, primarily those living in Gaza, in the own interests of each of the competing parties ...
Author:
Originator:
http://vpk-news.ru/articles/26916
43 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Professor
    Professor 9 September 2015 06: 42 New
    +9
    Today, they are handled by a separate agency at the UN that pays over thirty rates.

    Typo. Thirty THOUSAND rates.
    1. anokem
      anokem 9 September 2015 08: 00 New
      +8
      If the Palestinian leadership would need a state NEXT to Israel, it would have long been created. The tragedy of the Palestinians lies in the fact that they want a state INSTEAD of Israel, but we can’t explain it in any way)))
      1. Professor
        Professor 9 September 2015 09: 24 New
        0
        Quote: anokem
        The tragedy of the Palestinians is that they want a state INSTEAD of Israel, and we can’t understand this

        You are mistaken. The "Palestinians" do not want a state at all, otherwise they either went to live in the Palestinian state of Jordan or have already created another Palestinian state in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. However, then they will cease to feed, and they do not want to work and do not know how.
        1. gregor6549
          gregor6549 9 September 2015 09: 44 New
          +3
          I agree with the Professor. Gaza benefits from its current state. she receives awesome help from around the world, including from Israel, including free energy and water. An uncountable number of fighters for the rights of the “unfortunate Palestinians” also feed on this assistance. The presence of unfortunate Gaza also helps the rulers of some Arab countries to solve their selfish problems, which are commonly called national interests. At the same time, no one wants to take the Palestinians under their wing, bearing in mind that they tried to perpetrate in Jordan when, by naivety, they let the unfortunates into their territory. And now for the fun part. I visited once in those parts and expressed my naivety about how all Palestinians are buried when they create their own highly independent state. They looked at me like an idiot and proudly declared that the Palestinians are free people, they never paid taxes to anyone and are not going to pay. On the other hand, as it is known, no state can exist without taxes, and no one will support it either. So Gaza is a thing in itself and a simple mind is incomprehensible.
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 9 September 2015 09: 18 New
      +2
      Yes. To understand the intricacies of politics in the BV, you need to be at least a Muslim or an Israeli. what
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 9 September 2015 11: 51 New
        -4
        To understand the intricacies of politics


        And why understand there, it is enough to have just a good memory, who started killing whom first. Israel is a state with a short history. Where only a few can boast of a life from the beginning of existence, and in Palestinian families, in every family, there is a murdered Jew. I even know families where more than five have been killed. Who to try on with?

        I agree with anokem, the Palestinians want a state instead of Israel, partially with professor but in the case when the Palestinians firmly believe that the Israelis should pay them for everything. I have always been interested in Jews, they, like seasoning, made any nation an exquisite dish, but the concentrated mass of "this seasoning", in my opinion, did not give the desired result. Moreover, in a region where almost all the people believe in the coming of the prophet before the end of the world and the emergence of Israel. Who wants such a quick end of the world ?! laughing

        But you can’t argue with the obvious, the creation of Israel doomed this country to eternal war with the outside world. Well, unless the Jews invent a way to make all Muslims Semites. Ha ha ha I can not wish the Jews good luck, but in no way wish the Palestinians any success. But watching is interesting.
        1. Egor65g
          Egor65g 9 September 2015 12: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: Asadullah
          Where only units can boast of a life from the beginning

          You are deeply mistaken.
          And about the dead, in each FYLYSTIN family, so openly lying.
          Laughs the one who laughs last, all Arabs and so Semites laughing
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 9 September 2015 19: 49 New
            -3
            so frankly lying


            In general, I never lie, for it is labor, and I am a lazy person. Take those who participate in the intifada, because in New York there can be even more Palestinians. Will it be okay?

            all Arabs and so the Semites


            laughing , Not all. Sorry, the Jews. Amendment.
            1. Egor65g
              Egor65g 9 September 2015 20: 03 New
              +2
              Quote: Asadullah
              Never lie

              Again lying, denying your previous lie.

              Quote: Asadullah
              in Palestinian families, in every family, there is a murdered Jew
              -your words? And now you begin to mumble something obscene about New York, etc.
              If you have nothing to say essentially, better keep silent. There is an excellent Russian proverb in this regard: silence is gold.
              1. Asadullah
                Asadullah 9 September 2015 20: 27 New
                +1
                If you have nothing to say essentially, better keep silent. There is an excellent Russian proverb in this regard: silence is gold.


                Do you want to offer me gold !? Are you from Israel?

                Dear, with regard to Palestinian families, it is probably better for you to talk to those yourself. But for me it’s not speculation or speculation. Using sophistry is just as stupid, because we are not at a public debate, and it is impossible to influence the opinions of others in this way. Teach me the cons? laughing For heaven’s sake, I’ll give you a plus for this person for this person now, and if you tell me how, I’ll transfer all my titles to your epaulets laughing The question is in the feedback, and not in increasing the sense of self-worth in the wilds of the Internet, in my life this importance is enough for me. Thank you from that!)
                1. Egor65g
                  Egor65g 9 September 2015 20: 44 New
                  +1
                  Dear, I lived and worked side by side with FILYSTINS for more than a dozen years. With real people, not invented ones, as in your case. Of course, there are families from which Muslim terrorists crawl out. And in such families there are both "reassured" and self-exploded ...
                  But your statement about killed by the Jews in each Fylistin family, I repeat — a blatant and unprincipled lie.
                  We are not at a public debate, we are just exchanging opinions. And we are trying to substantiate our point of view.
                  1. Asadullah
                    Asadullah 9 September 2015 21: 12 New
                    0
                    I repeat, a blatant and unprincipled lie.


                    Well, is there a difference between Palestinians living on either side of the wall? Is there a difference between Palestinians living in other countries? How old is Al-Aqsa Intifada? Where did it start? What is the name of an Arab who does not support the intifada? How many victims in the history of the conflict?

                    And again, I have no bias, for I do not stand on the side of either the Arabs or the Israelis.
                    1. Egor65g
                      Egor65g 9 September 2015 21: 32 New
                      +2
                      So you admit that there was a lie on your part? If yes, it makes sense to continue communication.
                      By the way, there are about a million Israeli Arabs.
        2. Professor
          Professor 9 September 2015 12: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Asadullah
          And why understand there, it is enough to have just a good memory, who started killing whom first. Israel is a state with a short history. Where only units can boast of a life from the beginning

          And how many Jews lived before the formation of Israel? The mind is incomprehensible.

          Quote: Asadullah
          and in Palestinian families, in every family, there is a murdered Jew.

          Right Hebron pogrom stands out as a result of which 67 Jews living in Hebron were killed and the rest were expelled or fled from the city.

          Quote: Asadullah
          I have always been interested in Jews, they, like seasoning, made any nation an exquisite dish, but the concentrated mass of "this seasoning", in my opinion, did not give the desired result.

          Forgive us. We will correct and give a result. Give us one more chance. Pliz Pliz wassat

          Quote: Asadullah
          Well, unless the Jews invent a way to make all Muslims Semites.

          We are dealing with scholars and intellectuals. fool
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 9 September 2015 20: 09 New
            -2
            And how many Jews lived before the formation of Israel? The mind is incomprehensible


            Incomprehensible! I will say even more, before the advent of Islam there were many times more of them. Ten times.

            Right Hebron pogrom stands out as a result of which 67 Jews living in Hebron were killed and the rest were expelled or fled from the city.


            I recognize the Jew, your sensitivity to your own pain, allows you not to see the grief of all those around you. No offense. But this feeling allows you to hear music.

            Forgive us. We will correct and give a result. Give us one more chance. Pliz Pliz


            Yes, waking you, Asadullah just joked, I swear by your mother!

            We are dealing with scholar and intellectual fool


            Already fixed. Is it good? Alas, you are dealing only with a nickname that annoys you. Which as it quietly appeared on the resource, so quietly and leave, leaving no trace on your sensitive soul. I’m much more interested in discussing exceptions with Pauline in principle with a smart person than pouring salt on your angry wounds.) Regards.
            1. Egor65g
              Egor65g 9 September 2015 20: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: Asadullah
              imperceptibly appeared on the resource, so imperceptibly and will leave

              Ahhh ... Well then, everything becomes clear, come, put a bunch and quietly dumped laughing
              Very strong move wassat
              1. Asadullah
                Asadullah 9 September 2015 21: 14 New
                0
                Yes, yes, have mercy, as much as you can’t succeed!
                1. Egor65g
                  Egor65g 9 September 2015 21: 34 New
                  +1
                  It seems you have recently spoken out against sophistry, eh?
            2. Professor
              Professor 10 September 2015 06: 38 New
              -1
              Quote: Asadullah
              I recognize the Jew, your sensitivity to your own pain, allows you not to see the grief of all those around you. No offense. But this feeling allows you to hear music.

              ... and therefore We treat both Syrians and "falestinay".

              Quote: Asadullah
              Yes, waking you, Asadullah just joked, I swear by your mother!

              You and your mom will figure it out first and then you will remember the opponents' moms.

              Quote: Asadullah
              Alas, you are dealing only with a nickname that annoys you.

              Great honor. I am dealing with a fat troll.
              hi
        3. The comment was deleted.
  2. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 9 September 2015 07: 00 New
    +5
    Palestine is a huge gathering of parasites, as if the "progressive" public did not start cheering, moreover, dangerous and aggressive ..
    1. Egor65g
      Egor65g 9 September 2015 07: 48 New
      +6
      And all this crowd is densely seasoned with Islamic fanaticism. In addition, it is not a feeble feeder of all kinds of European "peacekeeping" parasite organizations.
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 9 September 2015 10: 38 New
      +1
      Judging by the estimates, the opinions of Russians and Israelis do not differ for ever - with regards to Palestine .. laughing
  3. Revolver
    Revolver 9 September 2015 07: 18 New
    +6
    Palestinians, having a unique chance to build a state, missed it

    this is just a special case of the rule formulated by the former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Israel Abba Eban:
    Arabs never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity

    Modera, do not execute, well, he has such a name, in kind: Abba Eban
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abba_Eban
    1. Professor
      Professor 9 September 2015 07: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Nagan
      Modera, do not execute, well, he has such a name, in kind: Abba Eban

      I think it’s more correct to pronounce his name Aba Even.

      PS
      They say that when he spoke at the UN, the local people pulled out the Oxford dictionary.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 September 2015 07: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        I think

        Vika will not lie wassat
        1. Professor
          Professor 9 September 2015 07: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Vika will not lie

          1. I myself write in Wiki from boredom. wink
          2. And you see the transcription אבא אבן
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 September 2015 07: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            אבא אבן

            I look and what?
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 9 September 2015 19: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            And you see the transcription אבא אבן
            Of course, in Hebrew I don’t have any ears or snouts, but it seems like your vowels are finally not provided, so I didn’t understand how transcription will help. And surely his surname in Hebrew does not mean at all what some people think about when they look at Russian transcription.lol
            At one time (I had not heard about him for a long time), some Chinese politician flickered in the press, whose name was spelled "Hui" in Russian sources, apparently from modesty, and in English simply "Hui" was written, and pronounced accordingly. And what does it mean in Chinese, hell knows.lol
            1. Professor
              Professor 9 September 2015 20: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: Nagan
              Of course, in Hebrew I don’t have any ears or snouts, but it seems like your vowels are finally not provided, so I didn’t understand how transcription will help.

              Not really. There are a couple of vowels, but all vowels are sounds.

              Quote: Nagan
              And surely his surname in Hebrew does not mean at all what some people think about when they look at Russian transcription.

              Even means stone.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 9 September 2015 19: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        I think it’s more correct to pronounce his name Aba Even.

        From English it is still read Eban - (Aubrey Solomon Eban)
        1. Kaiten
          Kaiten 9 September 2015 22: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          From English it is still read Eban - (Aubrey Solomon Eban)

          And the Russian “Ivan” in English reads like “Ivan” and now what?
          English is generally far from the best language for transliteration.
  4. as150505
    as150505 9 September 2015 07: 51 New
    +5
    During a tour in Jerusalem, the Temple of the Nativity of Christ came to Palestine, the impression is depressing. A lot of people selling junk and pestering tourists to buy something. Stalking like flies. Barely struggled. Desire to go there completely disappeared.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 9 September 2015 11: 09 New
      +4
      Regular propaganda article - For the Great Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates.
      In fact, the Jews seized the land of Palestine and terrorize the local population, taking away their territory and sometimes the lives of the Arabs. And as far as humanitarian assistance from them is all about - nonsense all supplies go there at the UN expense and the Israeli regime certainly ascribes this to itself, however, no one believes in Tel Aviv’s “generosity” except Israel knows how to lie and beg for handouts.
      Israel is a drone country that lives by someone else’s mercy and at the expense of others at the same time mercilessly killing its neighbors and destroying their homes.
      1. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 9 September 2015 15: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: quilted jacket
        In fact, the Jews seized the land of Palestine and terrorize the local population, taking away their territory and sometimes the lives of the Arabs. And as far as humanitarian assistance from them is all about - nonsense all supplies go there at the UN expense and the Israeli regime certainly ascribes this to itself, however, no one believes in Tel Aviv’s “generosity” except Israel knows how to lie and beg for handouts.

        Everyone who somewhere has any territories once seized and destroyed someone, Israel exists and it took place, Jews can also blame the Arabs for how many hundreds of years ago they took these lands from them and they just returned them, one must be realistic, and the search for justice in international politics is the path to nowhere forever. Israel has a good economy, and indeed participates in assistance programs for Palestine, it is forced to do so because such a bomber near by, otherwise completely from the hopelessness of the coast will lose, but the Arabs will not work, they have never been famous for this
        1. Egor65g
          Egor65g 9 September 2015 15: 07 New
          +2
          I will support, land :)
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 9 September 2015 19: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Kyrgyz
          Everyone who somewhere has any territories when someone captured them and exterminated someone

          What are you! It turns out we Tatars, Evenks, Chukchi destroyed all? belay
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 9 September 2015 21: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            What are you! It turns out we Tatars, Evenks, Chukchi destroyed all?

            Nevertheless, the Tatars celebrate the anniversary of the capture of Kazan by Ivan the Terrible is not at all like a national holiday. As for the Chukchi, few people will go to live in Chukotka on their own, not in stages, and they themselves never tried to seize the Russians into slavery, nor did they try to occupy the markets in Russian cities, because they didn’t need to exterminate or assimilate them. They live for themselves - and let them live.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 10 September 2015 06: 21 New
              0
              Quote: Nagan
              They live for themselves - and let them live

              Indians also did not climb into the cities, how about this?
      2. Hello
        Hello 9 September 2015 15: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Regular propaganda article - For the Great Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates.
        In fact, the Jews seized the land of Palestine and terrorize the local population, taking away their territory and sometimes the lives of the Arabs. And as far as humanitarian assistance from them is all about - nonsense all supplies go there at the UN expense and the Israeli regime certainly ascribes this to itself, however, no one believes in Tel Aviv’s “generosity” except Israel knows how to lie and beg for handouts.
        Israel is a drone country that lives by someone else’s mercy and at the expense of others at the same time mercilessly killing its neighbors and destroying their homes.

        The land of Palestine was divided. The fact that Egypt, Syria and Jordan captured the Arab part is their problem.
        As for the UN, I wonder at whose expense Israel supplies autonomy to water and electricity?
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 9 September 2015 12: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: as150505
      Desire to go there completely disappeared.

      Right, you don’t have to go to Israel Jews earned on tourists money will buy weapons for the killing of Palestinians.
      Israel - The death of a 12-year-old Palestinian boy, Al-Doura, filmed by a reporter for the French television station France 2 at the time he was shot dead by Israeli soldiers in the hands of his father. aired in September 2000. the boy’s father was injured, and his son was killed by the Israeli military in front of him.
      1. Tjeck
        Tjeck 9 September 2015 13: 52 New
        0
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Quote: as150505
        Desire to go there completely disappeared.

        Right, you don’t have to go to Israel Jews earned on tourists money will buy weapons for the killing of Palestinians.
        - pah, after a quick reading, I thought about what kind of panties? recourse as for tourism, you don’t really take a walk in Israel if you are an average citizen, but for so-called “tourism-for tourism” there are much more attractive countries.

        Ps: with all due respect, but I wouldn’t trust all these videos, and I don’t advise you .. there’s a difficult situation. on the one hand, yes - the behavior of the Israeli authorities and the army is immoral and vile, the crematorium cried somewhere. but on the other hand, for all sorts of extremists, they often deliberately drag civilians and even children into similar provocative situations in order to resonate.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 9 September 2015 14: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Tjeck
          Ps: with all due respect, but I wouldn’t trust all these videos, and I don’t advise you .. there’s a difficult situation. on the one hand, yes - the behavior of the Israeli authorities and the army is immoral and vile, the crematorium cried somewhere. but on the other hand, for all sorts of extremists, they often deliberately drag civilians and even children into similar provocative situations in order to resonate.

          I agree everything happens and it happens.
  5. testerman
    testerman 9 September 2015 12: 37 New
    +2
    Loafers, therefore, do not want to work and problems. Every second is looking for a freebie instead of working and earning. Is it really easier for them to rob, to steal and kill than to work ?????
    Now all this unaccustomed to work Kaka will fall on the heads of Europeans.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 9 September 2015 13: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: testerman
      Loafers, therefore, do not want to work and problems. Every second is looking for a freebie instead of working and earning. Is it really easier for them to rob, to steal and kill than to work ?????

      That's why I just look for how they could steal the land and another from the unfortunate Arabs of Israel, the state that built its "welfare" on the blood and "graves" of the Palestinian people.
      Jerusalem Muslims were outraged that a park had been set up on the site of an ancient Muslim cemetery

  6. regdan
    regdan 9 September 2015 12: 54 New
    +2
    I think it is necessary to transport the "refugees" who are now eager for Europe to Palestine. For fun it will be ....
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 9 September 2015 13: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: regdan
      I think it is necessary to transport the "refugees" who are now eager for Europe to Palestine. For fun it will be ....

      Let the refugees from Syria go to “prosperous” Europe a little wrong. But the “friends” of the Israeli regime supporters of the Islamic State, Al-Nusra and other bandits let them go on “excursions” to Israel. And very soon, the Mossad feeding up the terrorists will be very close to you so rejoice.
      IS aimed at the Palestinians: open your hearts and borders to us
      “Ultimately, an Islamic state will be created throughout the country, including the Al-Aqsa Mosque,” ​​say militants in masks in masks on frames. “Our Palestinian brothers. We’re fighting not for the land, but for the march through the path of Allah. All lands are Islamic "From our point of view, there is no difference between the land ruled by the Jews, the land ruled by the authorities of the Palestinian Authority and the land dominated by the unfaithful Hamas. We have one goal - that Allah rule over all Palestine."
      http://9tv.co.il/news/2015/09/03/212324.html
      This is how Jews citizens played out with terrorists and murderers. Wait for them to visit soon.
  7. Sobol
    Sobol 9 September 2015 13: 59 New
    0
    Another first intifada. Yitzhak Rabin “Beat them. Break their bones. We will leave scars for the rioters for life”
    Israeli soldiers carried out the order in good conscience:
    1. Professor
      Professor 9 September 2015 14: 19 New
      -2
      Quote: SoboL
      Another first intifada. Yitzhak Rabin “Beat them. Break their bones. We will leave scars for the rioters for life”
      Israeli soldiers carried out the order in good conscience:

      And during the first intifada in Chechnya, no one was breaking their hands. They simply demolished the city with the arms and legs of their inhabitants. Israel probably should have done the same
      1. Sobol
        Sobol 9 September 2015 15: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: SoboL
        Another first intifada. Yitzhak Rabin “Beat them. Break their bones. We will leave scars for the rioters for life”
        Israeli soldiers carried out the order in good conscience:

        And during the first intifada in Chechnya, no one was breaking their hands. They simply demolished the city with the arms and legs of their inhabitants. Israel probably should have done the same

        Even before this, as you put it, the “intifada” in Chechnya was cut out by tens of thousands of Russians, after which they began to glance at the neighboring regions. At the expense of the hands and feet of residents, are you, by any chance, not about those whom you usually call bearded?
        1. Professor
          Professor 9 September 2015 17: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: SoboL
          Even before this, as you put it, the “intifada” in Chechnya was cut out by tens of thousands of Russians, after which they began to glance at the neighboring regions. At the expense of the hands and feet of residents, are you, by any chance, not about those whom you usually call bearded?

          Of course, you turned down about tens of thousands, but on the whole the situation is the same as ours. Arabs terrorize us, have patience, and then run to complain.
          1. Sobol
            Sobol 9 September 2015 23: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: SoboL
            Even before this, as you put it, the “intifada” in Chechnya was cut out by tens of thousands of Russians, after which they began to glance at the neighboring regions. At the expense of the hands and feet of residents, are you, by any chance, not about those whom you usually call bearded?

            Of course, you turned down about tens of thousands, but on the whole the situation is the same as ours. Arabs terrorize us, have patience, and then run to complain.

            I agree with you. I would not even say about Arabs only, but about Islamists in general. This is a threat not only to Israel, but also to Russia. And here it would not be bad for our specialists to work together.
  8. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 9 September 2015 14: 51 New
    +1
    Maybe they would somehow figure it out themselves? There is no interesting sales market; there are no resources needed; there are no interesting ways; what should we do there? We will wait until interest manifests then and we climbed in, otherwise we’ll go reconcile captivity to Africa so soon. What are some obscure for Russia benefits from these Euro-Arab disassemblies.
    Quote: Professor
    And during the first intifada in Chechnya, no one was breaking their hands. They simply demolished the city with the arms and legs of their inhabitants. Israel probably should have done the same

    Chechnya's internal affair is not an intervention or a disputed territorial affiliation, disputed moments during the operation were but whatever this internal affair is, and where they are not shot for a year, and the winners are not judged.
    Maybe Israel should have done so, but they didn’t, and now it’s too late and it would have been harder for Israel to hush up such a thing, the country is certainly influential but much more vulnerable, and the situation has a number of differences, and too many people crawl into the situation.
    1. Professor
      Professor 9 September 2015 14: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Kyrgyz
      Chechnya's internal affair is not an intervention or a disputed territorial affiliation, disputed moments during the operation were but whatever this internal affair is, and where they are not shot for a year, and the winners are not judged.

      Judea and Samaria is also an internal affair of Israel. Neither Turkey, nor Britain, nor Jordan previously owned this territory make any claims against it.

      Quote: Kyrgyz
      Maybe Israel should have done so, but they didn’t, and now it’s too late and it would be harder for Israel to hush up such a thing,

      Not yet evening. Vacationers can also be found in Israel, and then the "Palestinian" parliament will proclaim self-dissolution and the "Palestinians" will hold a referendum on their voluntary return to Arabia. bully
  9. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 9 September 2015 15: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Not yet evening. Vacationers can also be found in Israel, and then the "Palestinian" parliament will proclaim self-dissolution and the "Palestinians" will hold a referendum on their voluntary return to Arabia.

    Who will give you)))) this topic warms so many people, and many have become the elite of the "civilized world" with it.
    Wait for some sort of big dribbling under his noise, but you need to lighten it up for 2 weeks no more, and then, after the fact of the current situation, update the borders, listen to the mats, of course, they will spit, but it will be too expensive to win back.
    1. Professor
      Professor 9 September 2015 17: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Kyrgyz
      Who will give you))))

      Who will we ask when we want to do this?

      Quote: Kyrgyz
      Wait for some big dribbling

      I feel it and everything goes.