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99 years ago, 6 September 1916, the Bulgarian army invaded Romania and attacked Russian troops, who were there in accordance with the Russian-Romanian alliance treaty. Thus, the Bulgarians once again clearly showed that the theses about the "Orthodox brotherhood", "Slavic unity", and indeed about any "brotherly" peoples are only propaganda deception, or - naive and empty dreams.
As soon as the Germans promised Bulgaria for joining the war, solid chunks of the territories of neighboring states were on their side, as Bulgarian “brothers” without remorse attacked their neighbors, and at the same time those who liberated them from the Turkish yoke. And characteristically - attacked together with the Turks. It is equally significant that just four years before, Bulgaria fiercely fought against Turkey, and Russia provided financial, diplomatic and humanitarian assistance to it.
In general, there is no fraternity between nations divided by lines of state borders; they can only have temporary coincidences of interests, or relations characteristic of vassals and overlords. And this also applies to those peoples who previously lived in the same state, but then decided to disperse and dissociate themselves from each other. I think there is no need to cite modern examples.



"Great Bulgaria" within the boundaries of 1917 of the year, with territories seized from Serbia, Romania and Greece. True, she owned these territories for less than two years, and then, as a result of defeat in World War I, lost not only them, but also a significant part of her own pre-war possessions. This was not the first time when, in strict accordance with the well-known saying, greed killed the Bulgarian fraer, but not the last. In World War II story repeated



At the beginning of World War I, the Bulgarian army in uniform and equipment was very similar to the Russian one.



But then she became more like the German.



German pictures with images of the latter-day Bulgarian "helpers."



Bulgarian soldiers in training for overcoming wire obstacles, 1917 year.



Bulgarian tank crews with a formidable a tank own manufacture.



Bulgarian King Ferdinand and the German Kaiser Wilhelm take the parade of the Bulgarian troops.



The German postcard with a picture of a Bulgarian, entertaining by singing and playing his "brothers on arms"- Turk, Austrian and German.





Two more German propaganda postcards dedicated to the Austro-German-Turkish-Bulgarian military alliance.
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  1. +33
    12 September 2015 05: 58
    ... there is no brotherhood between nations divided by lines of state borders, they can only have temporary coincidences of interests, or relations.
    Yeah! What once again proves that the Army and Navy of their country are the best allies. And about the Bulgarians ...
    Being a boy is a matter of gender. Being a man is a matter of age. Being a gentleman is a matter of choice. Being mu @ ak is not a question at all.
    1. +16
      12 September 2015 08: 53
      An Inconvenient Story: Bulgarians vs. Russians?
      Inconvenient story: When did you come up with a pagan god?
    2. -15
      12 September 2015 09: 01
      it is necessary what assaults, right from everywhere pouring in, "BULGARIANS-ENEMIES, SLAVS ENEMIES".
      In the 19th century, before leaving the Turkish Empire, the Bulgarian people were really enslaved and did not have the opportunity to develop their own culture and were slaves for the Turks in every sense, why did the Russian Empire start this war leading to the creation of the state of Bulgaria? For the Russian people, it was a liberation war, but for the Romanovs, I think, in order to put their German ruler at the head of the state. And so a new Slavic state appeared with the German rulers.
      That is why this state is so aggressively behaving itself in politics, always adhering to not Slavic, but German interests in Europe. But this modern pressure on the consciousness of the Russian people that it is the Bulgarian people who are traitors, then this is the goal of these "Vyacheslavs Kondratyevs" to finally quarrel the Slavic peoples, just as the “Ukrainian” and Russian peoples quarreled. Why is this done? The question is clearly far-fetched - there is a war against the Russian people and is especially noticeable in the information field ...
      1. +30
        12 September 2015 11: 36
        Quote: War and Peace
        Why is this being done? The question is clearly contrived

        But how could you think up something here. Events speak for themselves - when the Bulgarians had a choice, they always did it strictly against Russia and strictly for its enemies. You can certainly not pay attention to life and indulge in illusions and sweet dreams, or you can carefully get off the rake and do something more interesting.
        For example, see how others live. England - has no fraternal peoples, considers various Scots and Irish m .. mi and with pleasure spread rot for a thousand years. Does it prevent England from being a great country, and its population living well? -No. America, has no fraternal peoples, surrounding, different Canadians with the Meccans considers m..mi and with pleasure uses for their own purposes, it prevents the country and citizens from living well and long - no. Wherever you spit, the brotherly people except Russia have only Germany - the Austrians, it helps Germany to be a great country - and, oh my God, as soon as they unite, they immediately dig out the wort, it’s scary to see. So is Russia, as soon as the Kremlin begins the horror campaign for fraternal people, we immediately have either a muzzle in the blood, or a nabibulin ruble drops out of the blue, or some other misfortune.
        1. -4
          12 September 2015 12: 14
          Quote: chunga-changa
          Yes, as it were, cho


          the impression is that you could only read this, I see here, I don’t see here, it’s not the whole thing ...
          1. +34
            12 September 2015 12: 52
            I just didn't want to copy-paste completely. About the rest. Another cunning plan - "the people did not want, the Bulgarian tsar wanted, the tsar to the wall, to kiss the people." Who fought? Did the "German tsar" run in the attack himself, or was the 500.000 army brought from Mars? And together with the terrible Turks, these approx. 500.000 common Bulgarian people surrounding the "brothers of the Slavs" quite successfully and gladly committed genocide. The situation was reproduced in World War II, i.e. it was not an accident or a mistake, but a normal and consistent process. Different generations of the Bulgarian people, massively, in hundreds of thousands, fought with the surrounding Slavs, incl. and with Russia - on the side of the enemy. Incl. about "the people did not want", "brotherhood of the Slavs" and "the German tsar" this is for you to the schoolchildren, they have no mind, they believe everything. Now, by the way, the situation is repeating itself, the Bulgarians are in NATO, they prohibit the passage of aircraft and if a war starts, they will again be in the army of enemies. When the occupying Bulgarian troops will be in your city, go to them and push about the friendship of peoples, they will laugh.
            1. -11
              12 September 2015 15: 46
              Quote: chunga-changa
              Different generations of the Bulgarian people, in large numbers, in hundreds of thousands, fought with the surrounding Slavs, including and with Russia


              what "different generations"? Bulgarians fought against Russians only in World War I, in the second they did not fight with the USSR ...
              1. +13
                12 September 2015 17: 33
                They were only allies of Hitler, and each Bulgarian soldier on other fronts is a German soldier near Moscow or Stalingrad.
                1. -8
                  12 September 2015 18: 12
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  They were only allies of Hitler, and each Bulgarian soldier on other fronts is a German soldier near Moscow or Stalingrad.

                  But you forget (or do not want to understand this) that, people have nothing to do with it.
                  Even the yellow media cannot find the atrocities of the Bulgarians in Russia.
                  And if they had found, then they would have tried !!!
                  What about the article? You do not notice that these articles, (of that kind) are more and more in VO? From this I draw a conclusion.
                  Someone really wants to destroy the Russian World.
                  I do not show a finger.
                  1. +12
                    12 September 2015 18: 38
                    Quote: Babr
                    Someone really wants to destroy the Russian World

                    Bulgarians are not Russian. The Slavs - yes, but we had no common peace.
                    1. -6
                      12 September 2015 19: 16
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: Babr
                      Someone really wants to destroy the Russian World

                      Bulgarians are not Russian. The Slavs - yes, but we had no common peace.

                      Who knows? After all, we know from Toria. Take a look deeper. There is also an alternative story.
                      Or maybe there is truth?
                      I dont know. And you?
                    2. 0
                      12 September 2015 22: 12
                      Aggressive illiteracy or good troll?
                      1. +3
                        12 September 2015 22: 44
                        Well, when the Bulgarians were Russian, enlighten?
              2. +2
                12 September 2015 19: 18
                Quote: War and Peace
                the second did not fight with the USSR ...

                If you do not have information, this does not mean that there is none at all. Leave these Bulgarians with their nat. Here, how to fight back from ukroamerikantsev-an urgent question. Their president, with the full enthusiasm of the "brotherly" people, promised to take Moscow for himself. A little later, as the next loan will need to be received. And we have not dug trenches, divisions of the people's militia have not been created, there is no hope for the communists. Works for 8 years. Here we’ll fight back from the Americans, we’ll talk about the Bulgarians.
      2. +23
        12 September 2015 12: 48
        hi The last 3-5 days, some strange events have taken place in the Russian Internet. Materials with anti-Bulgarian content in Russian-language resources, lion! The bill is about 4 times more than usual! The states are illiterate in their majority and are clearly ordered. Digging up everything that is possible and everything in a negative aspect! A flurry of similar curses under the guise of "comments"! Most, absolutely the same and even grammatical mistakes in the same places! Designed according to very simple principles. For example, deliberately no difference is made between the actions of the Bulgarian authorities and the attitude of the Bulgarian people! It is not said about what is positive and it is much more than negative! Obvious facts are denied, which are replaced with clichés, or the facts themselves are pulled out of the context of events. Don't you think it's strange? The reason for the attack was the government’s refusal to allow flights to Syria. Of course, in Bulgaria we do not approve of such a criminal decision of the "Bulgarian" government! Critics are quite natural, but such intensity of anti-Bulgarian hysteria has never been seen on Russian-language sites! As we understand, the instructions given to the American trolls will intensify in this direction! They didn’t have time to incite the Bulgarian people against the Russians, but they were trying the “ricochet effect”. Anti-Bulgarian propaganda is spread through Russian websites in the expectation that Bulgarian consumers visiting them will start responding in the same spirit! Hatred should also be provoked at the household level, following the example of the “zombie ukrov”. It must be admitted that a lot of Bulgarians know Russian and are consumers of Russian network resources. The trolls who work for Uncle Sema simply take and copy “your statements” in the Bulgarian forums! war! Ordinary users against pro-American trolls. A very clear division and no difficulty is to single out who is who! I can tell you for sure that in no other Eastern European country there is such a level of pro-Russian sentiment as in Bulgarian society. Seen from Washington gave a kick to their information fighters to try to change it in their crawl. They are trying to create a virtual ring of enemies around Russia! In reality, Russia has much more friends than it looks if you hear Western propaganda! Precisely because every day Russia’s friends become more and more, such a frenzied information war is being kindled! All against all, and "Russians are enemies to all"! you are on the propaganda of enemies! They are our enemies too! And our common enemy is very insidious, you will not say anything!
        1. +19
          12 September 2015 13: 12
          They poke them in the eyes of people and say - "Here are you who the Russians are and what kind of people they are!" There is a real information war on the Bulgarian Internet resources themselves!


          And it seems to me that what you are now observing and what you are so "sincerely" indignant with is a response wave and reaction to the content of the writings of some of your Bulgarian Internet commentators and writers in our direction and about our country.
          You have been striving for this for a long time, you have been trying for a long time to prove that our country is not the same, the history is not that and the population is not right - now do not blame yourself, the answer has gone.
          We ceased to be shy of our common Soviet past, fucked idiocy about fraternity and began to answer in full - interest rushed, it was time to give.
          1. +7
            12 September 2015 18: 26
            According to some data published in the Russian net, more than 70% of comments on the networks are submitted from "information fighters", popular as "trolls". Mashab information war and misinformation is off scale! It becomes really difficult to find where the truth is, where the lie is. The "public opinion" is formed in the direction desired by the customers. You probably understand that this happens not only in Ru-net, but also in almost all Internet resources, including Bulgarian ones. Ksati to many sites in Bulgarian, erase pro-Russian comments and ban their authors. It is known that 80% of all Internet resources are in Bulgarian, foreign owners ... The story is the same with the media. On our and on your sites, the source of the negative emission is the same. Washington! Why do I think the guys from Washington are behind all this? Yes, because only they can benefit from the deterioration of relations between peoples and states. The states litter, through their fifth columns and through provocations, and the nations are littered at the everyday level, through the emission of any negativity. The principle of such work is elementary. I will give this illustration: Two neighbors. Comes to the first quortal gossip. Tells him - your neighbor spoke badly about you. Then he comes to a neighbor - He says the same thing to him. You start to look askance from a neighbor and pounce on each other. The gossip girl teases you from time to time. The process has started and it is very difficult to stop it. In times of strife, only bandits are good! World bandit is the USA!
            1. +3
              12 September 2015 18: 38
              Quote: pytar
              The process is running and it is very difficult to stop it. In times of contention, only bandits are good! World Bandit UTB USA!

              good + 100500!!!
            2. 0
              13 September 2015 03: 21
              Quote: pytar
              Ksati in many sites in the Bulgarian language, erase pro-Russian comments and ban their authors. It is known that 80% of all Internet resources in the Bulgarian language, foreign owners ...


              Yah! What are these sites? The fact that information with a certain bias is also fed there is true. But you can freely comment - write about anyone and anything - everything passes. By the way, at point bg comments and pluses are some Russophile. The ratio of the so-called sorosoids to Russophiles there is approximately one in ten.
              1. +2
                14 September 2015 10: 31
                For example in Vesti.bg. There simply, administrators censored. Many consumers reported being banned for their pro-Russian statements. For the same reason, I was banned and censored dozens of times. As far as I know, this popular Novar site is owned by the same owners, whose email address is 1 on the Bulgarian Internet - abv.bg.
            3. +2
              13 September 2015 09: 38
              And how do you order to separate the actions of the authorities from the people, if you elect these authorities? Or do you have a "dictatorship" too?
              1. 0
                17 September 2015 19: 52
                Kamrad, are you a schoolboy, troll or provocateur?

                You do not know how the system of democratic elections in the conditions of the dictatorship of capital?
        2. +20
          12 September 2015 14: 44
          And what magic way did you get into NATO? Against whom did you want to have protection? Turkey is your NATO ally. The NATO bloc was created in opposition to the Warsaw Pact, in which Bulgaria did not feel bad. Or not? The behavior of your elite in Russian is called betrayal !!
          1. -5
            12 September 2015 15: 00
            Quote: Railway
            The knowledge of your elite in Russian is called betrayal !!


            what is this betrayal? then Poland, and the Czech Republic, and Slovakia, and all the rest-all betrayed? -This is not a betrayal -this is following your own interests, that is. the interests of the ruling elites of the countries, well, while the peoples are busy with their own business, they meekly work for a penny and survive as they can ...
          2. +9
            12 September 2015 18: 28
            Quote: Railway
            The NATO bloc was created in opposition to the Warsaw Pact,


            And here it is necessary to be precisely expressed. ATS was created 6 years after NATO, so we are not the counterweight ... stop
          3. +1
            14 September 2015 05: 09
            Quote: Railway
            And what magic way did you get into NATO? Against whom did you want to have protection? Turkey is your NATO ally. The NATO bloc was created in opposition to the Warsaw Pact, in which Bulgaria did not feel bad. Or not? The behavior of your elite in Russian is called betrayal !!

            Do not confuse the story. The creation of the ATS was a response to the accession of Germany to NATO.
        3. avt
          +18
          12 September 2015 15: 46
          Quote: pytar
          Do not fall for the propaganda of enemies!

          request "By their deeds you will recognize them"
          Quote: pytar
          They and our enemies!

          Well, what the leadership of Bulgaria is doing for its seemingly own country is that no enemies are needed and propaganda, too, it is enough that with their own hands the Bulgarians liberate the country from themselves, but at such a pace that if suddenly, by chance, somehow someone is in Russia wants to repeat the deeds of Emperor Alexander II, then in fact it will be a direct war with the Turks for Turkish territory, which may and will retain the name - Bulgaria, but with a COMPLETE PHYSICAL ABSENCE of Bulgarians as a people in general. Maybe now the Bulgarians will think about the policy of Todor Zhivkov Turks to take Bulgarian names and surnames, do you think he did it while drunk? But now, thanks to the efforts of the Bulgarians themselves, such a situation has developed in relations with Russia that it fully fits into the formulation of Emperor Alexander III, the Tsarevich who went through the war - “All the Balkans are not worth the life of one Russian soldier.” Well, we cannot in fact be big Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks than the Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks themselves. And even the NATO countries. So you guys got there in the Balkans in pursuit of European happiness at the very ... But also the Ukrainians are catching up with you and even overtaken - they started such a war that will hiccup for a long time.
          1. +7
            12 September 2015 23: 44
            Avt, I completely agree with you. Our own Bulgarian politicians are now the worst enemies of the Bulgarian people, but others are simply not allowed to vote. After all, it is precisely in the ethos that modern democracy is expressed: whoever pays and steers.
        4. -8
          12 September 2015 16: 26
          Quote: pytar
          For the last 3-5 days, some strange events have taken place in the ru-net. Materials with anti-Bulgarian content in Russian-language resources, lion! The bill is about 4 times more than usual! The states are illiterate in their majority and are clearly ordered. Everything that is possible is dug out and everything is in a negative aspect! A flurry of similar curses under the guise of "comments"! Most, absolutely the same and even grammatical mistakes in the same places!


          there is one more thing, all this anti-Bulgarian hysteria goes practically according to ONE RULE - they remember that the Bulgarians were not for Russia in the wars and EVERYTHING. And they hammer and hammer the same thing in the same manner, I think that the administrative resource of the site is used "as it should". It's a very good time for srach, because the "Bulgarian" rulers are doing dirty tricks on Russia as much as they can, but they are the same "Bulgarians" - these rulers are just like the "Russians" - Russian rulers laughing
          1. +8
            12 September 2015 16: 55
            When the Bulgarians were for Russia ??? Examples.
          2. +4
            12 September 2015 18: 35
            Precisely said! In 10-ku! hi Such a massive troll attack was not, as it seems to me ever before! For all resources! The same thing! Here is the proof that the Russians and Bulgarians are fraternal peoples! Otherwise, pendusiki would not have thrown such a huge resource in that direction! Yeti know that it is already difficult to keep the Bulgarian people in enmity with Russia!
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        6. +6
          12 September 2015 16: 48
          Everything is very clear and precise. I’ll only add that Bulgaria from the mid-90s has been fully occupied by the country. This status is guaranteed by the multi-edged Sorovskys and similar NGOs.
          1. +8
            12 September 2015 17: 16
            Well, yes ??? This is the result of a war ??? Or, just like mine, in Ukraine, 80% for the occupation and the ruling ... I have the ode of a nation that has nothing in common with the Ukrainians, I don’t know. BUT! MOST! I repeat - the majority !!! HAS YOUR POPULATION BEEN SUPPORTED THE OCCUPATION ??? Or not? Or just believed, as in 1916, as in 1941 - that it would be better against the Russians than for? By the way, as in 1991 and in 2015 - when 3,14ndos ordered and only 10% were indignant in the kitchens. Again, stsuka, the Russians are to blame - for the Bulgarians do not like the fact that the Russians do not want to repair the MIGs with which the Bulgarians are going to bring down RUSSIAN Sushi ... I’m directly dying of precision ...
            1. +2
              12 September 2015 22: 16
              Very young and hot. When you are wiser. This is the young man's betrayal.
            2. +8
              12 September 2015 23: 50
              Sorry Victor, but you’ve probably never been to Bulgaria. NOBODY AND NEVER In Bulgaria did not raise the issue of joining NATO and the EU for a referendum. And about the introduction of the currency board i.e. in fact, the external financial management did not even think to question public opinion. And about the occupation. Now in the territory of Bulgaria there are more NATO troops than the entire Bulgarian army. And if this is not an occupation? Firstly, they manage finances from the outside, and secondly, there are more foreign troops than their own army. Here you have the occupation. Although without a war.
              1. +2
                13 September 2015 09: 42
                And in the elections, all of Bulgaria, as one, voted against the current authorities. But - scoundrels - the results were completely falsified. So what?
              2. 0
                16 September 2015 01: 49
                Quote: nedgen
                NOBODY AND NEVER In Bulgaria raised the issue of joining NATO and the EU for a referendum

                And this was not required by the laws of Bulgaria
                1.NATO: 17 February 1997 People's Assembly Bulgaria almost unanimously decided to join the Alliance. Joining NATO at that time supported 20% of the population of Bulgaria.
                2. On the first of 2007 of the year Bulgaria entered the EEC
                Illuminations were arranged in Sofia: spotlights mounted on the Orthodox Cathedral, Armenian Church, synagogue and mosque illuminated the night sky.


                In the central square of the city, thousands of people rejoiced and hugged each other, waiting for the last blow of the chimes.


                3. For the issue of holding a referendum to be considered in Bulgaria, you need to collect either the signatures of 60 Bulgarian deputies or the signatures of 300 of thousands of people in the country.
      3. +14
        12 September 2015 13: 10
        99 years ago, 6 September 1916, the Bulgarian army invaded Romania and attacked Russian troops, who were there in accordance with the Russian-Romanian alliance treaty

        This belief is not entirely true, since - "On August 27, after long hesitation on the side of the Entente, Romania entered the war, declaring war on Austria-Hungary. In response, the countries of the Central Bloc declared war on Romania, including Bulgaria (September 1, 1916 of the year).

        Immediately after this, the Romanian army launched an offensive in Transylvania against the Austro-Hungarian forces. In response to this, the command of the Central Powers developed a plan for the defeat of the Romanian army and the occupation of Romania. A strike from Bulgaria was planned, for which the Danube army was formed under the command of German Field Marshal Mackensen. It consisted of German, Bulgarian and Turkish divisions. The main objective of the Danube army was to strike at the Romanian troops in Dobruja. In addition, the 3-I Bulgarian army was in Dobruja. Also, German and Austro-Hungarian troops launched an offensive from Transylvania, suspending offensive operations in Romania.

        The Danube army crossed the Bulgarian-Romanian border, invaded Romania. The Entente command allocated 15 Romanian divisions and the 47th corps of the Russian army for the defense of Dobrudja. "

        historical facts, of course, cannot be disputed. But after reading the article, one gets the impression of a "custom article", the purpose of which is to poison the peoples, and here it does not matter whether fraternal or non-fraternal peoples. After all, unfortunately, ordinary people have no influence on power and, unfortunately, in Bulgaria, power is seized by people paid for by Western structures, so it was in World War II and it is now! The current government also came after the so-called "color revolution", which, as you know, are paid for and controlled from outside, and all the current media are dancing to the Western tune.
        1. 0
          12 September 2015 17: 27
          Quote: YARS
          But after reading the article, one gets the impression of a "custom article", the purpose of which is to poison the peoples, and here it does not matter whether fraternal or non-fraternal peoples. After all, unfortunately, the common people have no influence on power and, unfortunately, in Bulgaria, power is seized by people paid for by Western structures, so it was in the Second World War and it is now! The current government also came after the so-called "color revolution", which is known to be paid for and controlled from outside, and all the current media are dancing to the Western tune.

          Not a judge ... but a great shot! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! hi
      4. +12
        12 September 2015 15: 53
        "The war was liberating" - whom did the Russian soldiers liberate ?! Russia? Far from it! Bulgarians! And where is the gratitude? Russians shed blood for the liberation of whom they want, and where are all the liberated? In the camp of the amerikosov (NATO, EU), who didn’t hit a finger in the liberation business and didn’t shed a pint of blood ... So maybe it’s enough to “liberate, save”, etc.?!
        1. 0
          12 September 2015 18: 17
          "... the Russians shed blood for the release of whoever they want, and where are all the liberated? In the camp of the Americans (NATO, EU) ..."
          And you do not talk about this fact ??? Maybe there is a share of guilt and the Russian rulers themselves ???
          Note: Not PEOPLE, but - GOVERNORS !!!!!
          1. +2
            12 September 2015 18: 58
            TT 1968 - You can't convince trolls. They don't want to know! And in general, statues like this are written by order to a certain audience. Ordinary consumers who are not familiar with historical events and who can be influenced. Here they take and write, what a moronic state, like this! Then the production of stereotyped comments in the spirit of the same station begins! Hundreds, if not thousands. They create an illusion for disguises and one-thinking! Well, these are the same professionals! Indeed, recently in Washington, they said that the United States was losing the information war with Russia! They kicked their dogs and now they "work" with foam on their mouth! Despite their professional training, they have many weaknesses! They have no imagination and copy the same stamped postulates. They can be recognized! They always put hurtful words and swear words! Usually, formal facts are presented, taken out of the context of the event, and often change the places of events in time. Their biggest weakness is that THEIR WORK IS WRONG! They have no soul, as they say! It is not for nothing that they are so much like Robots! And all this haste is dictated by the fact that the United States has little time !!! They act nervously like a criminal, for whom the police are already following! bully
      5. +1
        12 September 2015 16: 30
        Quote: War and Peace
        The question is clearly far-fetched - there is a war against the Russian people and is especially noticeable in the information field ...

        I fully support.
        And those who are farther than their nose and do not try to peep will pass.
        This applies to Belarus and even Ukraine. If in Ukraine wound up, artificially grown Bandera, then all of Ukraine, Bandera.
        If in Belarus sympathizers for Bandera appear, then Belarusians go the wrong way. So do the Bulgarians, Poles, and ... generally Slavic peoples.
        We were injected with just such a duck "Politics is a dirty business, don't do it"
        And the people do not deal with it. It works, plows.
        But when the showdown begins, it turns out that the people are to blame, although he is not with the bows.
        So in the article, it’s not the politicians who are to blame, but the people (I didn’t see a single politician’s name)

        "Bulgaria has invaded" The meaning of the entire Bulgarian people is "guno", as conceived by the author.
        1. +8
          12 September 2015 17: 56
          But Bandera and traitors, they are not people. The people are also to blame for allowing this
          1. +2
            12 September 2015 19: 54
            Quote: perm23
            But Bandera and traitors, they are not people. The people are also to blame for allowing this

            So, I was waiting for exactly what such a question would arise.
            90s, I am a simple hard worker. Home, work. There are no other interests.
            And suddenly, fuck-bang, perestroika.
            What could I contrast this with?
            Never mind.
            We weren’t taught that there is this

            You see, you will understand a lot
        2. 0
          13 September 2015 09: 46
          And what, only the government invaded? All the people and their army stood aside and were indignant?
    3. +11
      12 September 2015 09: 03
      Quote: s.melioxin
      once again proves that the Army and Navy of their country are the best allies

      I disagree - this is an isolationist policy

      Allies and Alliances Always Need

      You just need to understand who your natural allies are and who are possible temporary partners and who are historical opponents

      You have to understand, as I have already written many times, that the ideas of "Slavic brotherhood" or "Pan-Turkism" have no real basis and can only be used in a short-term period to achieve opportunistic goals (for example, to strengthen the Warsaw Pact - like the Bulgarians and Russian brothers, or to promote Turkey to the place of Russia in Central Asia and Kazakhstan - such as pan-Turkism, etc.)

      The real basis is described by geopolitics - from world stars such as Mack Kinder and ending with Gumilev - but everyone is talking about the same thing. There are several civilizations: the West - the sea, the Eurasian world - land, China (also the sea by the way), etc.

      And it turns out not a Bulgarian and not a Serb and not an Orthodox Greek who is the closest ally of the Russian people - but the peoples of the Golden Horde, who grew up in it together with the Russians, in Tsarist Russia (the heiress of the Golden Horde) they were "aliens" and even enjoyed privileges and never were offended, I must admit, the USSR continued the tradition of rejecting the Western colonial model and also created an equal community of all the peoples of Eurasia

      And such a policy is natural - it has always existed since the times of the Great Steppe and Attila - and as a result, during the times of aggression from the west, all the peoples of Eurasia stood together and, to the great surprise of Europe, it always suffered defeat - although their "GDP was always greater" - but it was not in technology and not in GDP

      Those peoples of Eurasia are not even allies - they are one whole with the Russian people - therefore, "liberal Russian nationalism" is dangerous - like we will close ourselves within the framework of the "gold ring" -

      And there are also allies - this is a more external concept - China, Iran, Latinos ALBA and Argentina, Vietnam, possibly countries like Algeria India South Africa Brazil and now Pakistan, etc.
      1. +1
        12 September 2015 13: 15
        once again proves that the Army and Navy of their country are the best allies


        I disagree - this is an isolationist policy

        Allies and Alliances Always Need

        You just need to understand who your natural allies are and who are possible temporary partners and who are historical opponents


        Do not confuse allies and partners
      2. +7
        12 September 2015 13: 48
        The army and navy are of course allies, but depending on when. Unfortunately, they did not save both the collapse of the Russian Empire and the collapse of the USSR.
        1. +15
          12 September 2015 14: 04
          Oh, just don't "about the people", eh. I've seen enough of how this "common people" in Bulgaria just lick the asses of the Germans and other EU-Soviets. I was in a hotel in Varna, so none of the staff paid any attention to us-Russians, they did not change the towels, they did not clean the room, only made the bed, etc. masters need this or this. It's disgusting. The same is true in restaurants and in live communication, as they find out that we are Russians, they immediately make a face with a brick and start babbling about Ukraine, about how we deprived them of profitable trade and a pipeline with gas. Yeah. Only one Bulgarian, already at an age, said honestly: "What do you want, we are with those who are richer and with whom it is more profitable to" be friends ", but now" to be friends "is not profitable with Russia ..."
          1. -3
            12 September 2015 15: 03
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Oh, just don't "about the people", eh. I've seen enough of how this "common people" in Bulgaria just lick the asses of the Germans and other EU-Soviets. I was in a hotel in Varna, so none of the staff paid any attention to us-Russians, they did not change the towels, they did not clean the room, only made the bed, etc. masters need this or this. It's disgusting. The same is true in restaurants and in live communication, as they find out that we are Russians, they immediately make a face with a brick and start babbling about Ukraine, about how we deprived them of profitable trade and a pipeline with gas. Yeah. Only one Bulgarian, already at an age, said honestly: "What do you want, we are with those who are richer and with whom it is more profitable to" be friends ", but now" to be friends "is not profitable with Russia ..."



            are you lying, in hotels you don’t pat on your head for not fulfilling your duties and doesn’t it depend on your nationality, or didn’t you pay money?
          2. +5
            13 September 2015 01: 21
            Monster, totally lying! I can say that every year I receive guests from Russia. None of them went away with a bad impression and always want to come sleepy! For your information, in Bulgaria have already purchased real estate and live over 330 thousand. Russians! You have something to say! When you decide to "speak" again, prepare better.
            1. +1
              13 September 2015 08: 03
              "Russians", you say, you live there ..., as much as 330 thousand ... No, then, not Russians, then "cosmopolitans" - without clan and tribe, their slogan "fish lives where deeper, and man where better". Found "Russians", yeah.
              1. -1
                13 September 2015 10: 59
                Do you know them? How is the story? :)) Is that all traitors? Those who know themselves, something like the rootless Ivanovs who do not remember kinship are not like ...
                People are like people. In the summer, their truth is more than 300 thousand. They have their own apartments here, they spend their holidays, they give their apartments to their friends as well. In winter - more elderly people with diseases. Most of them hide here from winter, who are shown a milder climate, or use different balneological procedures. And in the summer they often leave for Russia to do local affairs.
                1. +4
                  13 September 2015 13: 37
                  Oh, come on. Something my parents could not save up for an "apartment" or "house" in Bulgaria, obviously "badly" worked, or maybe they lived according to the principle: "where I was born, I fit in there." And they did not prepare "spare airfields" in a foreign land, for they did not consider it necessary, for they always thought that everything should be transferred with the Motherland: both good and bad. I did not believe and will not believe the "patriots" with "alternate airfields" abroad, I will always consider them lawyers and traitors.
                  1. +2
                    13 September 2015 16: 06
                    What are the "spare aerodromes" ??? According to your logic, are the only patriots who sit in Russia and do not leave the hut? Russians buy apartments and settle in Bulgaria for several reasons. 1. Everything is cheaper in Bulgaria than in Russia, except for gasoline, gas and electricity. 2. The climate is good and zrovoslovny. Many people come here to get rid of the diseases from which they have suffered for many years. 3. No language barriers and no big cultural differences. Russians and Bulgarians get along easily. We do not consider Russians as strangers. 4. Bulgaria has a very beautiful nature and a large concentration of attractions. All on "one hand of distance". 5. There are very many misaligned marriages. Bulgarians and Russians create strong families, which, according to statistics, get divorced 10 times less often than those in Russia. 6. Russians have been living in Bulgaria for a long time. Russian emigrants came from the revolution. 7. In general, Russians like it in Bulgaria! ... a lot more, but I think that's enough. Russians, for whom all these arguments turned out to be decisive, all provocateurs and traitors ??? Her head is okay ???
              2. 0
                13 September 2015 13: 32
                Absolutely in the hole!
              3. +1
                13 September 2015 16: 21
                Ksati I have a question for you, Monster! Russians buy real estate and also live in Serbia, Montenegro, and Greece! In your opinion, they are also included in the category of "traitors, cosmopolitans, without family, without a tribe", like those Russians living in Bulgaria ?????? Or are they different categories?
                1. +1
                  13 September 2015 18: 36
                  Of course, the same cosmopolitans, no difference.
                  1. +2
                    13 September 2015 19: 43
                    It is unlikely that you would so boldly tell them this if you were sitting in front of them in person. I would get "health problems". People like you are very brave when you sit at the computer. And in real life, you live differently.
      3. avt
        +5
        12 September 2015 15: 32
        Quote: Talgat
        I disagree - this is an isolationist policy

        Yah ?? And for me, it’s the most real thing to eat, open to the whole World, and even contributing to the general prosperity. So when in Russia with these two everything is in order, the second half of the emperor’s expression - “all the rest will turn against us at the first opportunity” it does not come true and the same Europe is waiting for the Russian tsar to fish, in the literal sense.
        Quote: Talgat
        Allies and Alliances Always Need

        Allies and alliances are completely different things.
        Quote: Talgat
        You just need to understand who your natural allies are.

        Army and Navy.
        Quote: Talgat
        and who are possible temporary partners and who are historical opponents

        Actually, all the others smoothly flowing from enemies to partners and vice versa, depending on the state of the two main Russian allies - the army and navy and their own interests.
        Quote: Talgat
        You need to understand, as I have already written many times, that the ideas of "Slavic brotherhood" or "Pan-Turkism" have no real basis

        I really wrote and clashed with yours and, in particular, with Marek Rozny. Throw off your reference, otherwise you have never heard of this from Kazakhstan.
        Quote: Talgat
        Those peoples of Eurasia are not even allies - they are one whole with the Russian people - therefore, "liberal Russian nationalism" is dangerous - like we will close ourselves within the framework of the "gold ring" -

        laughing laughing And do you want to add local and former Soviet republics to the "liberal Russian" nationalism ??? Is there anything that Russia is not built on a national basis, unlike ALL newly created states from the Soviet Union republics? It is the "elite" of the new states that spins nationalism and opposing the common past, exposing it as the continuous oppression of the "national outskirts" in the "prison of peoples" in the interests of retaining personal power. Worthy students of all possible universities of Marxism-Leninism and school parties - clearly memorized the formulation thrown by Lenin about the Empire in the pursuit of world revolution.
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          1. avt
            +5
            12 September 2015 18: 52
            Quote: Semurg
            New Kazakh Ompertsa

            A-I-I-st! As from one word, the empire contorts that? laughing In vain they called him imperial, Talgat still didn’t understand what he wanted, perhaps except one -
            Quote: Semurg
            about equal union with the great.
            Well, yes - there can be no equality between different quantities - a mathematical fact. No Gumilev will help here. But the medical fact is that the Russian Empire / USSR, albeit not ideal, but adhered to the principle "there is neither Greek nor Jew", of course in a truncated version and with the Pale of Settlement and with a column in the questionnaire, not a nationality, but, religion "in the Empire and" nationality "in the USSR. Again, the fact that the Russian Empire was created in symbiosis with the Horde is also a medical fact, as well as the fact that the principality of Moscow in this symbiosis, which does not exclude bloody wars and mutual massacre, outplayed and Tver, and the Chernigov branch of the Rurikovichs, and even the imperial project of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which started quite successfully.
            Quote: Talgat
            and the peoples of the Golden Horde, who grew up in it along with the Russians, in Tsarist Russia (the heiress of the Golden Horde) they were "foreigners" and even enjoyed privileges and were not offended in any way, it must be admitted, the USSR continued the tradition of abandoning the colonial Western model and also created equal community of all peoples of Eurasia
            Naturally with costs and not ideally, but also a fact - in fact, they even formed the elite. Both at court, and cultural and scientific in all forms. However, everything shattered again into small-town nationalism, which, after the collapse of the USSR, cover up the power of the local "elites" on the sliced ​​ulus, cultivating the antiquity and greatness of the nation, which is quite well supported by "common people" not wishing to lose the suddenly acquired empire number 1 in the World. The brightest example of this is Ukraine, which simply missed its starting capabilities, inherited by the collapsed USSR, and they were the best in comparison with other national entities, solely because of bestial nationalism.
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      4. +2
        12 September 2015 17: 27
        Dear, Russophobe Churchill, remember - England has no friends (brothers, sisters, nephews) and permanent allies - only temporary. Not exactly according to the original source, but explain "one whole" to Georgians, gangs ..., Galicians, Kazakhs (by the way, a new nation, only a few decades older than the nation of dill) ...
        1. avt
          +6
          12 September 2015 17: 51
          Quote: victor
          , Russophobe Churchill remember

          But Alexander III is enough for me, especially since, as he said, this is what happens to Russia in life, be it the Tsarist Empire, be the USSR, or in the current federal state ---- “Russia has no friends. They are afraid of our enormity. "And," In the whole world, Russia has only two loyal allies - our army and navy. All the rest, at the first opportunity, will take up arms against us. " And for Churchill and generally English about the fact that England has only her interests - this is Europu, who "will wait until the Russian Tsar is fishing."

          Quote: victor
          Kazakhs (by the way, a new nation, just a few decades older than the nation of dill) ...

          Well, I didn’t hear this, as long as no one from the Great Ukry claimed pyramids in Egypt, only a kinship with Genghis Khan. But this is normal. Tajiks are almost all the ancestors of Iskender Macedoni - such as the intact Macedonians from the Balkans laughing .And President Rakhmonov did become Rakhmon. Probably the ancient Aryan lost in the Pamirs.
    4. -4
      12 September 2015 17: 50
      Quote: s.melioxin
      Yeah! What once again proves that the Army and Navy of their country are the best allies.

      Neither the fleet, nor the army, nor nuclear weapons saved the USSR. So it is beautifully said but ... nothing more!
      1. avt
        +3
        12 September 2015 21: 20
        Quote: Konsov02
        Neither the fleet, nor the army, nor nuclear weapons saved the USSR. So it is beautifully said but ... nothing more!

        If by the navy and army we mean only iron - then yes, iron will not save anyone and anywhere. But the Army and the Navy are first of all people to whom the country swears weapons under a solemn oath in the hope that they will fulfill their solemn oath in mortal danger. Here's something like this Well, the example of the USSR is a classic example of apostasy and betrayal of the "elite" by force introducing the ideals of life and which they themselves betrayed for the opportunity to cash out power into a very specific loot. "Judas, only for much more money than the pitiful 30 pieces of silver. But at the same time, the remnants of the army, navy, and especially nuclear weapons allowed to save Russia from the planned collapse of 90 states like in Africa. So we lost the ideology as a primogeniture, and Russia - NO. But "Only when everyone dies, only then the Big Game will end" and Russia in the Game as a Player, and not a Game Figure, and even more so a Cell on the Game Board, whether someone likes it or not, is an objective reality.
      2. +4
        12 September 2015 22: 10
        Quote: Konsov02
        Neither the fleet, nor the army, nor nuclear weapons saved the USSR. So it is beautifully said but ... nothing more!

        The army and navy save from physical destruction. And believe me, if the West had the opportunity to destroy Russia physically, they would have done so. But the army and navy can not save from the traitors and mediocre management of the elites. From economic and financial wars, too. Like in chess, every piece plays a role. But in recent years, Russia has learned a lot.
      3. 0
        13 September 2015 13: 39
        Thanks to the top of the traitors. Nothing will save you from a stab in the back.
  2. +12
    12 September 2015 06: 13
    Just an inferiority complex, only the whole nation. If we somehow defeated our invaders, then the Bulgarians, the British, etc. no, here and rushing them from envy and hatred towards us.
    1. +9
      12 September 2015 07: 49
      Quote: igorra
      Just an inferiority complex, only the whole nation.

      The inferiority complex of the Poles.
  3. +11
    12 September 2015 06: 28
    . And that is characteristic - they attacked together with the Turks.


    No flag, no honor! They talk about such "brothers".
    May Satan be their brother to them !!!
    1. +2
      12 September 2015 17: 58
      For all of them there is a song Shopoklyak. Who helps people spends time in vain. It is necessary to behave with them as Americans, Then they will love and respect and respect.
  4. +14
    12 September 2015 06: 30
    Bulgarians Turkic blood. Part of the Turks, * Bulgars *, settled in the Volga region and many times, along with * Tatars * participated in raids on Russia. The other part * of the Bulgars * reached Byzantium, where they settled. At the same time, the local population was slaughtered. By the way, as part of the Turkish army, the Bulgarians participated in all wars and were greatly appreciated by the Turks for recklessness and stamina. During WWII in Yugoslavia, the Bulgarians showed such cruelty that there is still no hatred for them. Words about * bros * in Bulgaria are used only in anticipation of a gift from RUSSIA. The Turks are very close to their mentality and blood. their ancestors are common.
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      -15
      12 September 2015 07: 47
      Quote: Vasily50
      Part of the Turks, * Bulgars *, settled in the Volga region and many times, along with * Tatars * participated in raids on Russia. The other part * of the Bulgars * reached Byzantium, where they settled. At the same time, the local population was slaughtered.

      where does such knowledge come from? how and where are the Bulgarians on the Volga?
      1. +12
        12 September 2015 08: 05
        Read the story-Volga Bulgars ...
      2. +4
        12 September 2015 08: 16
        Not "Bulgarians", but "Bulgars". They are there now, they have not gone anywhere.
        To be absolutely precise, they did not participate in Batu’s campaigns, because there wasn’t much to do. Volga Bulgaria was defeated by the Tatars and again could not rise. The people left miserable remnants.
        1. +16
          12 September 2015 12: 34
          I would advise you to carefully use such words as miserable remnants of an entire nation, especially if you don’t know its full story.
          For information:
          Tatars, Tatars (self-name), people in Russia, the main population of Tatarstan. The number in Russia is 5522 thousand people, including 1765,4 thousand people in Tatarstan, 1120,7 thousand people in Bashkiria, 110,5 thousand people in Udmurtia, 47,3 thousand people in Mordovia, 43,8 thousand in the Mari Republic people in Chuvashia 35,7 thousand people, as well as in the regions of the Volga-Ural region, Western and Eastern Siberia and the Far East. 327,9 thousand people also live in Kazakhstan, 467,8 thousand people in Uzbekistan, 72,2 thousand people in Tajikistan, 70,5 thousand people in Kyrgyzstan, 39,2 thousand people in Turkmenistan, 28 thousand people in Azerbaijan, 86,9 thousand people in Ukraine, about 14 thousand people in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. The total number of 6 thousand people.
          They are divided into three main ethno-territorial groups: Volga-Ural Tatars, Siberian Tatars and Astrakhan Tatars. The most numerous are the Volga-Ural Tatars, including the subethnos of the Kazan Tatars (your humble servant also refers to them - my ancestors were exiled from Kazan to Siberia under Alexander III, by the way, the Volga Bulgars are one of the ancestors of the Kazan Tatars), Kasimov Tatars and Mishars, and also a subconfessional community of Kryashen (baptized Tatars). Among the Siberian Tatars, Tobolsk, Tara, Tyumen, Baraba and Bukhara (ethnosological group of Tatars) stand out. Among the Astrakhan - Yurt, Kundra Tatars and Karagash (in the past, Tatars of the “three yards” and Tatars “land” stood out). Lithuanian Tatars were a special ethnic group of the Golden Horde-Turkic ethnos that disappeared as a result of the ethnic and political processes of the 2th-XNUMXth centuries. This group in the XNUMXnd half of the XIX - beginning of XX centuries. experienced to a certain extent the process of integration into the Tatar ethnic community.
          And so we Tatars look:
          1. +12
            12 September 2015 12: 39
            And in continuation of the theme of the origin and ethnonym of the Tatar people and what relation the Volga Bulgars have to us:
            The ethnic basis of the Volga-Ural Tatars was made up of the Turkic-speaking tribes of the Bulgarians (Bulgars), who created in the Middle Volga region (no later than the beginning of the 1236th century) one of the early states of Eastern Europe - the Volga-Kama Bulgaria, which existed as an independent state until 1438. As part of the Volga-Kama Bulgaria out of many tribal and post-tribal formations formed the Bulgarian nationality, in the pre-Mongol time, undergoing the process of consolidation. The inclusion of its territories in the Golden Horde led to significant ethno-political changes. On the site of the former independent state, one of the ten administrative divisions (iklim) of the Golden Horde was formed with the main center in the city of Bulgaria. In the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, separate principalities with centers in Narovchat (Mukshy), Bulgar, Dzhuketau and Kazan were known on this territory. In the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, the Kipchak, including Nogai, groups entered the ethnic environment of the population of this region. In the XIV - mid XVI centuries. The ethnic communities of Kazan, Kasimov Tatars, and Mishars took shape. The Kazan-Tatar people formed in the Kazan Khanate (1552-80), which was one of the significant political centers of Eastern Europe. The ethnic appearance of the Mishars and Kasimov Tatars was formed in the Kasimov Khanate, dependent on Muscovite Russia from the middle of the 2th century (it existed in a very changed form until the XNUMXs of the XNUMXth century). Mishars until the middle of the XNUMXth century experienced the process of becoming an independent ethnos. The Kasimov Tatars, which had some ethnic characteristics, were in fact the social elite of the Kasimov Khanate and ethnically formed a group that was transitional between the Kazan Tatars and Mishars. In the XNUMXnd half of the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries as a result of the mass migrations of the Tatars in the Volga-Ural region, a further rapprochement of the Kazan, Kasimov Tatars and Mishars took place, which led to the addition of the ethnic group of the Volga-Ural Tatars.
            I could write in more detail, but firstly - the allowable size of the comment does not allow, and secondly, I have concerns that this is not interesting to anyone.
            I have the honor.
            PS You should not mix the Tatars themselves and the Crimean Tatars. These are completely different peoples, with different historical roots and cultural and historical traditions. We have only a common name and religion - Islam. And also partly the language. The Crimean Tatar and Tatar languages ​​are related, since both belong to the Kypchak group of Turkic languages, but are not the closest relatives within this group. Because of the quite different phonetics, Crimean Tatars understand by hearing only certain words and phrases in Tatar speech and vice versa (I checked it personally, communicating with the local Tatars in Crimea last year). The closest to the Crimean Tatar are from the Kypchak Kumyk and Karachai languages, and from the Oguz languages ​​are Turkish and Azerbaijani.
            1. +2
              12 September 2015 16: 30
              Thanks for the educational program !!!
            2. 0
              12 September 2015 17: 10
              Actually, it was not about the Tatars, but about the Bulgars.
              1. +7
                12 September 2015 18: 53
                Before expressing an opinion, to which you undoubtedly have a right, nevertheless read the comment completely and then all questions will disappear themselves ... along with the minuses.
                Personally for you I repeat:
                The ethnic basis of the Volga-Ural Tatars was made up of the Turkic-speaking tribes of the Bulgarians (Bulgars), who created in the Middle Volga region (no later than the beginning of the 1236th century) one of the early states of Eastern Europe - the Volga-Kama Bulgaria, which existed as an independent state until XNUMX.

                Believe me, I know the history of the formation of the ethnos of my people. And if you do not trust my opinion, the Internet will help you.
                I will not pass you, because I repeat
                express an opinion to which you are undoubtedly entitled

                I have the honor.
                1. 0
                  13 September 2015 17: 18
                  No, you know, I don’t trust. After all, historians believe that the Tatar ethnic group is only six hundred years old, and we, ignoramuses, can doubt a little ...

                  In fact, the Volga Bulgaria also did not just "took and created". There is always a very long history behind the formation of the state and it is foolish to say that before the Bulgars created their state in the Volga region, there were only wild animals running. Likewise, the origin of the Tatars is a very difficult question. Too many sub-ethnic groups, too many wars, and who lived there a hundred years earlier, and who later is covered in darkness. In fact, very developed tribes lived in the Volga region 2 thousand years ago. Ceramics, metals ...

                  And if you turn on the brain, it becomes clear: a group of immigrants (even a large one) does not immediately form a state. That is, the Bulgars could sail, they could build cities along the river, but multiply so much that there is a need for statehood - this is unlikely. There should have been a confusion with the local population. In principle, there was nothing complicated in this: the same Türks.
                  1. 0
                    14 September 2015 14: 59
                    Tatars are the collective name of their close neighbors, but not by RUSSIAN blood. In the West, everyone was Germans, well, only if someone does not stand out in particular sadism, then they would become: peshkami, ball-skiers, or something else.
                    1. -1
                      14 September 2015 17: 57
                      How it all starts ... Maybe you should study the ethnogenesis of the Slavs for a start? Well, there are Scythians, Huns, Goths, Antes, Sarmatians ... Which one of them and in what sequence has replaced whom and chopped into cabbage.
                      Everything is very complicated there.
                      1. 0
                        14 September 2015 20: 56
                        The Americans have already planted a pig * for * official * demographers and * historians * when they posted the genetic research data for RUSSIA. RUSSIAN quite a nation and genetic inclusions in an established nation are tracked very clearly. And genetics confirms this with high accuracy. By the way, only the Polish papacy claim * Sarmatians *. All names of the listed peoples are conditional, because are not self-names. Until now, the word RUSSIAN in different languages ​​sounds differently, even in the CIS, sometimes it sounds very * exotic *.
                      2. -1
                        15 September 2015 11: 55
                        So all the same: a nation, a nation, or an ethnic group? You already decide. In fact, these are different concepts. In particular, a nation is a socio-economic concept and to study its gene pool is about how to study the chemical composition of sand, based on the selection of a whole pair of grains of sand from a pile.
                        Your posts are funny to read. :)
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                      4. 0
                        15 September 2015 14: 55
                        Take it for granted - RUSSIAN is a nation with its own culture and long-standing traditions of government. The church and all sorts of * tiligents * professionally lie and make fake * antiquities * in confirmation of the wretchedness of those living in RUSSIA. Our ancestors had several types of writing and were able to record music, on this basis a musical notation was born. Yes, and much of the trade penetrated the neighbors. And in confirmation of the viability of RUSSIANs as a nation, I advise you to read all the same American research. They are open. And available.
                      5. -1
                        15 September 2015 15: 15
                        Okay. Are the Tatars a nation?
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            4. +1
              12 September 2015 20: 23
              Quote: Alexander72
              I have concerns that this is not interesting to anyone.

              In vain fear. Interesting, I read it with pleasure. Already wrote here, as my ch. an engineer (Tatar) crossed paths with a Bulgarian from "Balkancar". After the second glass, they forgot about the loaders and quickly agreed that they were one people.
          2. +4
            13 September 2015 19: 46
            Very beautiful photo, Alexander! Colorful national costumes have! Respect! good
        2. +1
          12 September 2015 16: 25
          Not the French, but the Franks, not the Norwegians, but the Normans, not the English but the Saxons, not the Russians and the Russians, not the Belarusians and the meadow, and you can still go on for many, many, but the essence is one.
      3. +4
        12 September 2015 13: 18
        where does such knowledge come from? how and where are the Bulgarians on the Volga?


        Bulgars, Bulgarians (Latin Bulgares, Greek Βoύλγαρoί, Bulgarian prabulgari, Tat. Bolğarlar, Chuvash. Polkharsem) - tribes that inhabited the steppes of the Northern Black Sea coast from the 2th century to the Caspian and the North Caucasus of the XNUMXnd and XNUMXnd centuries and the Caucasus partially in the Subunavia, and later in the Middle Volga region and a number of other regions.

        They participated in the ethnogenesis of such modern peoples as Bulgarians, Tatars, Chuvashs, Bashkirs [1] [2], Balkars, Karachais, and transferred their name to the state of Bulgaria. In modern historiography, the terms protobolgars, prabolgars, and ancient Bulgarians are also used.
      4. +3
        12 September 2015 16: 21
        I do not propose to read the story, I see that it will not help
      5. +2
        12 September 2015 17: 49
        Quote: Fox
        Quote: Vasily50
        Part of the Turks, * Bulgars *, settled in the Volga region and many times, along with * Tatars * participated in raids on Russia. The other part * of the Bulgars * reached Byzantium, where they settled. At the same time, the local population was slaughtered.

        where does such knowledge come from? how and where are the Bulgarians on the Volga?

        At school "History of the USSR (!)" Or "History of Russia" at least occasionally it was necessary to teach, my friend. wink
        But he, from what, it’s important that there are four stars on the chase ... what
      6. 0
        13 September 2015 13: 43
        From where, from the same beech.
    2. +2
      12 September 2015 08: 48
      But about the Turks, it’s hard to agree, because science gives a dubious definition of who they are, because you can’t dispute that the Kazakhs are significantly different from the Turks or Turkmens. But the Bulgars and Bulgarians, the child sees that this is not the same thing. I am not very strong in this issue.
      But I will present the opinion of the Bulgarian researcher Plamen Paskov, please look through to the end, maybe something in your worldview will change.
      An Inconvenient Story: Bulgarians vs. Russians?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl3iNgFzy5I
      Inconvenient story: When did you come up with a pagan god?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=oLvUeArCqSY
    3. -2
      12 September 2015 09: 11
      Quote: Vasily50
      Bulgarians Turkic blood.


      Well, you give a friend of "Turkic blood"!?! Do you even know who TURKI are? How many peoples are there and all are different, Kazakhs, Yakuts, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Tatars, Crimean Tatars, Kirghiz, Turks - THESE ARE ALL DIFFERENT PEOPLES by blood, all have different genes - haplogroups.
      The fact that the Bulgarians are similar to the Turks, says one thing these peoples lived together for a long time and therefore there was a mutual penetration of the genomes of the peoples. But the Bulgarians love and respect the Russian people-the liberator, and this is what makes modern puppeteers play off the Russian and Bulgarian peoples. And the government of these states is pursuing such a policy ...
    4. +11
      12 September 2015 11: 30
      You are right, but not in everything:
      Bulgarians (Bulgarian. Bulgari) - the South Slavic people that arose in the early Middle Ages as a result of the merger of the Balkan Slavs and the Bulgarians of Khan Asparuh with the remnants of the local population of the Balkans, especially the Thracians. There was such an ancient people. They lived in the Balkans from the Neolithic era. The culmination of the development of this people came in the 200th century BC, when the Kingdom of Odris was created. It was a powerful, if not to say, most powerful state in the Balkans, but it lost its power quite quickly due to clashes with the Greeks. However, the state existed until the arrival of the Romans in the XNUMXst century BC, who completely annexed Thrace, making it their province. When the Thracians as a people began to disappear, at the moment it is unknown. Partially, they began to assimilate already under the Romans, but excavations show that the Thracian tribes existed in later periods. The final and actual assimilation of the Thracians did not occur under the Greeks and Romans, but with the arrival of the Slavs and Bulgars in the Balkans. Who are the Bulgars? Bulgars are the tribes that inhabited the steppes from the Black Sea to the Caspian and part of the North Caucasus. In the middle of the VII century, the Bulgars formed a fairly powerful tribal association, known as Great Bulgaria. The heyday of this formation came during the reign of Khan Kubrat. under him Great Bulgaria or Great Bulgaria was independent of neither the Khazars nor the Avars, had a friendly agreement with Byzantium. But, by historical standards, the state lost its significance almost instantly with the death of Khan Kubrat. The reason is typical - the sons began to quarrel with each other, as a result of which part of the Bulgars moved north, to the Volga region subsequently, forming such peoples as Tatars, Bashkirs and Chuvashs, and part headed by Khan Asparuh to the west, where they met with the Slavs who by then already lived in the Balkans. Here it is more attentive! Imagine a well-armed horse army comes across people with hoes and does not destroy it, but begins to live in peace, forming a fairly powerful state formation. Moreover, after about XNUMX years, the Slavs assimilate the Bulgars almost completely, and since then the history of Bulgaria is the history of the Slavic state. Paradox? But the fact!
      And as for the "brothers" - in a family, even siblings often do not get along, because they compete with each other and because they live side by side. What to say about the peoples. So everything is relative. And therefore, expecting from the Slavic brothers that they will adhere to your point of view in everything and be grateful to you is at least naive, if not stupid! History has proven this more than once.
      I have the honor.
      1. +4
        12 September 2015 14: 10
        By the way, there is a good movie called "Khan Asparukh". http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/66634/ True, he is "tolerantly" "slicked", but there are many interesting places, and the battle scenes were filmed well. By the way, the music is good there.
    5. +2
      12 September 2015 13: 06
      Let’s give an example when the Bulgarians were part of the Turkish army? And what kind of local population did the horsemen of the Kan Asparuh massacre? Asparuh entered into an alliance with the local Slavic tribes. Together they entered into the forefather of Bulgaria.
      Well, you may recall that the Russian army, together with Byzantium, destroys the First Bulgarian Power.
      1. 0
        12 September 2015 14: 25
        Let’s give an example when the Bulgarians were part of the Turkish army?Janissaries, recruited from Christian boys, brought up in the Ottoman spirit .. all were there, who were under the Ottoman Empire ...
        1. +6
          12 September 2015 16: 55
          Janissaries, recruited from everything from the Ottoman Empire! Not only from the Bulgarian guys, but from everyone. If the Turkish empire was on the borders of the Urals, your guys would also be in the Janissaries corps, does this mean that they could be called Russians with brainwashed? I don’t think so. Only the united country, the Ottoman Empire and one sovereign, the Sultan, have Yanichirs. They are not Bulgars, Serbs, Greeks, Vlachs, Albanians. They are Janissaries! They are the property of the Sultan!
          1. +3
            13 September 2015 00: 19
            If the Turkish empire was on the borders of the Urals, your guys would also be in the Janissaries corps,... Yes, somehow they didn’t allow it, it was Ottoman to its borders .. all the more to the Urals ... By the way, earlier, the Janissaries were the property of the Sultan, and now Bulgaria is the property of the USA .. And it behaves like the property of the USA ..
        2. 0
          13 September 2015 10: 56
          Veziri, including the great vezir, the second in the empire after the Sultan, and the actual operational ruler of the Ottoman state were from the Janissaries corps. It follows from your logic that the Ottoman Empire was a Bulgarian state! Or about Croatian, since Ibrahim, the great Vezir of Suleiman, was a magnificent Croatian.
      2. 0
        12 September 2015 20: 29
        Quote: stoqn477
        Well, you can remember

        Well, remember. A familiar Greek said that in their history there is nothing of the kind. Looks like the German bastards again tweaked the story a little.
    6. 0
      12 September 2015 18: 37
      I do not know how many "local population" our ancestors cut out, but the FACT that the mother of Kan Kubrat, who defeated the Arab troops at the walls of Constantinople, was from the Slavs, say something!
      And what to speak of another fact - that after the capture of Silistria by the Byzantine mercenary, Prince Svyatoslav, HE CERTAINLY slaughtered more than 300 boyars like cattle ??? Maybe about Christian love for neighbor ???
      And the events that are being talked about in the stats take place on the territory of the BULGARIAN Dobrudge occupied Romania after the Second Balkan War of 1913. What kind of affairs does Russia have on the BULGARIAN territory ???
      1. +2
        12 September 2015 20: 07
        . What kind of affairs does Russia have on the BULGARIAN territory ??? ,,
        But do you know that there was a World War I? that the Romanians were allies of Russia? and that intelligence was working at that time, which reported that Bulgaria would soon join the internal union? This is not an excuse, but the essence of the politics of those times.
        1. +3
          13 September 2015 11: 41
          Did you know that only two years ago the Second Balkan War ended, as a result of which the BULGARIAN Dobrudja was occupied by Romania ??? Consequently, it is quite logical to expect the participation of Bulgaria in the war AGAINST Romania with the aim of returning the lost territories inhabited by Bulgarians. Moreover, the Romanian occupation authorities did not behave there like brothers in faith, and ethnic cleansing also took place. And the fact that Russia was Romania's ally in this matter also does not add to the Bulgarians' love for "brothers".
          "..that time the intelligence was working, which reported the imminent entry of Bulgaria on the side of the internal union?" -and Russian politicians did nothing to attract the "brothers" to their side - well, who is to blame for you after this ??
          By the way - after the WWII, Romania grabbed Moldova for itself, then entered into an alliance with Hitler and REALLY participated in battles on the Eastern Front, including - at Stalingrad, it regularly supplied the Wehrmacht with fuel from the refinery in Ploiescht, after the Victory, during the social camp, Romania also behaved separately, but now it has very specific appetites for Moldova and Transnistria, but no one yells, they say, Romanians are traitors and generally untrue
          Again double standards or something else ???
          1. +1
            13 September 2015 21: 36
            What was the ethnic composition of southern Dobrudja before joining Romania and how many Bulgarians left it after ethnic cleansing?
            1. +2
              14 September 2015 04: 26
              Quote: Slovak
              Slovak SK Yesterday, 21:36 p.m. ↑

              What was the ethnic composition of southern Dobrudja before joining Romania and how many Bulgarians left it after ethnic cleansing?



              According to statistics from 1910, 282 people lived in South Dobrudja, of which:

              Bulgari 134 355, or 47,6%

              Turkey 106 568, or 37,8%

              cygani 12 192, or 4,3%

              Tatars 11 718, or 4,2%

              Romanian 6 348, or 2,3%

              Gagauzi 4 912, or 1,7%

              armenzi, jews and herozi about 1,5%

              These data are also confirmed by the 1919 commission. In 1913, Romania received an area of ​​7630 square kilometers with a population of 273 people, of which only 090 are Romanians.

              How many Bulgarians left Southern Dobrudja can not find.
              I can only add that upon the return of the South Ossetia in 1940, an exchange of people took place (after 1913 they began to populate this area with Romanians, and, by agreement with Turkey, some Turks were resettled from there) - 88000 Bulgarians moved from North Dobrudzhi to the South, and resettled from the South to the North 68000 Romanians.
              1. 0
                14 September 2015 22: 08
                Thanks for the answer. Perhaps, there is evidence, what was the ethnic composition of Northern Dobrudja at that time?
      2. +3
        12 September 2015 20: 31
        Quote: TT1968
        What kind of affairs does Russia have on the BULGARIAN territory ???

        Indeed, what kind of affairs does Russia have on the fronts of World War I? Sow little, a fighter for the Bulgarian against the Russian.
      3. 0
        15 September 2015 21: 24
        Yeah, call Svyatoslav the mercenary, oh Bulgarian. I don’t write about shame, it’s not for you, but you don’t have to lie, and so finely.
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  6. +3
    12 September 2015 07: 02
    Maybe the genes are to blame for the corrupt guys. Facts are more important. And therefore the attitude should be not according to genes, but according to actions. It is time to master the sentiment mood in dealing with such and similar "brothers".
    1. 0
      12 September 2015 07: 45
      TVM-75
      Yes, I agree! But only our "nasalniks" are guided by their own criteria and our opinion is sideways to them. For a long time they have stepped on the same rake, but ... to this time they continue to push us the idea of ​​"brothers and other brothers" and "sisters".
      It would be long ago to stop pushing these ideas of fraternal peoples, but to transfer relations into the plane of profitable money for their country. There will be a prosperous "country and people, respectively, there will be" brothers ". They themselves will come running and play around and look into the eyes and no one dares to bark.
      And now ... Wed ... Th :-) they wanted on the graves of our soldiers that they were being released.
      1. +1
        12 September 2015 18: 00
        There is only one people here and it is necessary to think about it. And the rest just live nearby.
    2. -3
      12 September 2015 16: 59
      Do you know how many Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and other peoples of the USSR fought on the side of Germany in the Great Patriotic War? But the Bulgarians did not fight the USSR.
      1. +1
        13 September 2015 00: 35
        And the Bulgarians did not fight the USSR... They didn’t fight .. jackal in trophy teams in the territory occupied by the Germans .. Such a team, in Vyshesteblievskaya stood ..
      2. +1
        13 September 2015 14: 02
        But tell us about this in more detail, the version of the Bulgarian side. And how many days did you confront fascist Germany.
  7. +6
    12 September 2015 07: 48
    Bulgars are Turks, but when they came to the Balkans, they massacred not the entire local Slavic population, but only the "elite", taking its place and becoming the rulers of the Slavic majority. Over time, assimilated and the name "Bulgarians" passed to the entire population. So to say that today they are purebred Turks is an exaggeration ... As for brotherhood, then look at the Serbs and Croats, genetically one people, differing only in religion and the fact that some of my language I call Serbo-Croatian, the second Croatian-Serbian and piut in Cyrillic and Latin, respectively. And how they periodically cut each other!
    1. +7
      12 September 2015 13: 03
      Not the Türks definitely! The thesis, which has existed for many years, has been refuted categorically by the Muscovite EU study conducted in the last 3 years. It is proved categorically: 1. The modern Bulgarian people are SLAVIC with pra-Bulgarian and Thracian impurities in an approximate ratio of 70%, 25%, 5%. 2. Proto / great / -bulgars DO NOT ARE TURKISH PEOPLE AND DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING WITH TURKS. 4. The origin of the great-Bulgarians is still unexplored, but the Iranian-Aryan version is supposed to be as likely. 3. No impurities found from the Tükkic peoples, despite 5 centuries of Ottoman slavery. Explanation - the Turks took Bulgarian girls for harem and Bulgarian boys for the Yanichar corps. Bulgarians did not marry for the Turks. When, as a result of the rape, the Bulgarian women became pregnant, a frequent case was a suicide that affected the child. Bulgarian society was very conservative and strictly guarded its cleanliness. In Bulgarian folklore such scenes are often described.
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    2. 0
      15 September 2015 19: 10
      The Bulgarians slaughtered the local population in the Balkans, and talking about the assimilation of survivors is nothing more than fairy tales. Maybe someone survived, but only by accident, or much later appeared there. But the indigenous population was destroyed. Traditions of Turks without slavery do not work. After all, even relatives are robbed, and then suddenly enslaved * are taken care of *.
  8. +3
    12 September 2015 08: 16
    forgot Shipka .......... forgot very quickly.
  9. +4
    12 September 2015 08: 24
    In principle, it’s not so critical for me who they are to us.
    We have a dime a dozen "friends" who betray us at an enviable frequency.
    Only here, after all, this is the matter, friend, he is neither a relative nor a cellmate, nor a work colleague; he is not imposed on you by anyone other than your personal desire.
    It makes sense to think not about the fact that they threw us so many times, and then ran to us in search of protection, but about that - why the heck do we need all this?
    It's just some kind of masochism, if you look from the side, one betrays the other, and the second, every time generously forgives him.
    Maybe we are a little more? Maybe we do not need these "brothers" (I don't care about them, my country is self-sufficient), maybe we need to know how innocent we are, once again deceived, and how much noble and forgiving?
    It's just that normal logic cannot explain such "strange" centuries-old relations, to put it mildly.
    Or is it true that not only they us, but we also used them in our own interests, and when one of the "partners" benefited in another place, he merged his partners?
    In fact, it is foolish to look for signs of morality or spirituality in the international politics of two states - only business. And until we understand this, and do not start living according to this principle, we will be "used" by all and sundry.
    1. -1
      12 September 2015 08: 45
      "Seven seven times, forgive your brother if he asks for forgiveness." Proverbs.
    2. +2
      12 September 2015 10: 29
      This question is for the autocrats of all Russia. For example, I never understand which x we ​​participated in the Napoleonic wars (before the invasion). In the Seven Years' War ... Well, at least from the North, for example, everything is clear.
      1. +1
        12 September 2015 13: 26
        This is when Napoleon and I fought with someone ??? Dates and places of battles - pliz in the studio.
    3. -1
      12 September 2015 20: 37
      And you never left anyone and betrayed anyone. They never betrayed themselves. Your oligarchs are real patriots :)
  10. +18
    12 September 2015 08: 48
    Fyodor Dostoyevsky, who noted in 1877, held roughly the same opinion.

    “... According to my inner conviction, the most complete and insurmountable - Russia will never have, and never have had, such haters, envious people, slanderers, and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe agrees to recognize them as released! ”
  11. +5
    12 September 2015 09: 00
    Fraternal peoples are one thing, and interstate relations are another.
  12. 0
    12 September 2015 09: 27
    This suggests one thing: how spiritually weak is a person. Yes
    In situations where the question of life and death arises, and survival at someone else’s expense, I don’t presume to assume how someone else will lead, if I don’t know how I will behave myself. Therefore, hardness of spirit cannot be equated with nationality.
    PS History, however, says that some have betrayal and treason in the blood. Well, everything can be. Some were born warriors, others - farmers, others - traders, and some - traitors ... what
  13. +12
    12 September 2015 09: 43
    We, the Bulgarians, believe that they are not ours .. The Russian princes loved in the 8th-11th centuries ... pinching the Byzantine empire ... gold, silk, wine ... But usually the success of the campaign was in surprise ... But as our PVL writes, the Russian gathered the prince on a campaign, yes the Bulgarians of the Greeks warned, and so it was more than once, and that the Bulgarians themselves were quite tense with Byzantium, it would seem that the Russians would help you ... so no .. About cultural ties .. in modern times, the Bulgarians preferred to study in the West, the universities of the Republic of Ingushetia did not suit, they say there wasn’t enough free thinking in the schools .. and there were few who studied, although the Republic of Ingushetia provided benefits for the Bulgarians .. And most importantly, this is the latest time .. the Bulgarians, wishing for Schengen visas and lace underpants, voted in a referendum for joining the EU, now hungry, poor, but all without exception in lace shorts and a Schengen visa .. but that’s okay .. god is with you .. but the referendum on joining NATO .. ​​it's just an ax in the back of Russia. .This is a country that revived the state reality ... in Soviet times, she lived like a god-in-bosom, decided that Russia was the main aggressor .. well, a secret thought, and suddenly in the event of a NATO war with Russia, Bulgaria, something would break off .. As I dreamed, a Bulgarian warrior from backers, I told my grandmother, here Hitler will defeat Russia (this is in 1942), I will take land in Vyshesteblievskaya, build a hotel, and I will grow watermelons .. I don’t argue .. there are in Bulgaria, brothers .. but they are few .. and very much. .And what is characteristic, these brothers are called fascists there in Bulgaria ... Something like this ...
    1. -4
      12 September 2015 11: 21
      Quote: parusnik
      ..but a referendum on joining NATO .. ​​it's just an ax in the back of Russia


      Well, why is lying so cheeky? Not the Bulgarian people approved the entry into NATO, but those scum who usually gather in all the talking places of the states wanted this and achieved it.
      On March 18, 2004, the Bulgarian Parliament ratified the agreement on the accession of the Republic of Bulgaria to NATO.

      http://www.aboutbulgaria.biz/bulgaria/foreign_affairs/bulgaria_nato/
      NO REFERENDUM WAS
      and there was a great desire to become a member of the European Union, but the West does everything according to the cunning FIRST IN NATO, THEN IN THE EU, Bulgaria was taken to the EU in 07g.
      Therefore, not the Bulgarian people, but all the trash that governs the state pursues a policy of pushing away from Russia, as indeed in Russia ...
      1. +7
        12 September 2015 12: 10
        War and Peace On March 18, 2004, the Bulgarian parliament ratified the agreement on the Republic of Bulgaria joining NATO. Why is it so cheeky to lie? It’s not the Bulgarian people who approved joining NATO, but those scum who usually gather in all the talking places of the states and wanted to achieve this .... I agree, there was no referendum ... who the scumbags chose? .. some other people, not Bulgarian. .or these bastards, promised not to join NATO .. ​​and insidiously deceived, kind and naive Bulgarian people ..? By the way, for leaving the EU and NATO .. ​​the Tokmo-Russophile party Attack in Bulgaria campaigns, and for it only 10% of the population, the rest .. apparently like to be poor and walk in silk shorts, with a Schengen visa .. And do not talk about the cunning The West ... you deceived, the Bulgarian people who voted for trash ...
        1. -3
          12 September 2015 12: 20
          Quote: parusnik
          I agree, there was no referendum ... who the scum who chose? .. some other people, not Bulgarian .. or these scum, promised not to join .. and insidiously deceived, kind and naive Bulgarian people ..


          Do you still believe in "democracy"? that in Russia, that in Bulgaria, that especially in Ukraine, it is very clear there that the parliament is not "elected representatives", but those who have a wider face and a thicker wallet ie. one thief in Russia is a party of crooks and thieves. They pass the most anti-popular laws, and in Bulgaria it is even worse. Russians are one people, and governments are another people ...

          Quote: parusnik
          And do not talk about the cunning West .. you see, the Bulgarian people who voted for trash ...


          why is this "not necessary"? when exactly it is NECESSARY. The political systems of the modern world are built in such a way that the peoples, ordinary people, do not decide anything, even during popular indignations, as last year in Ukraine, people spoke out against corruption, but the puppeteers turned everything upside down and turned the country into Banderland and against mos_kaly, and you are here reasoning about the "will of the people", it is not, everything is decided by the elites ...
          1. +4
            12 September 2015 14: 30
            and you are here talking about the "will of the people" - no... Just about you about your will, I don’t argue .. you don’t have it ... hi
            1. 0
              12 September 2015 15: 58
              Quote: parusnik
              and you are here talking about the "will of the people" - no... Just about you about your will, I don’t argue .. you don’t have it ... hi


              whoever said it, always in the first line, always his nose in the wind, always with pluses, or an empty man, or always lying ... laughing
              1. -1
                13 September 2015 00: 46
                always with pluses..Do not envy .. laughing
                1. -1
                  13 September 2015 08: 14
                  Quote: parusnik
                  always with pluses..Do not envy .. laughing


                  to envy an undeservedly created reputation? -It's not for me, the fact that people like you use the administrative resource is visible with the naked eye, your "historical strengthening" of anti-Bulgarian hysteria is akin to your knowledge of modern history. And no Jewish attempts by government officials and their ass licking can break the friendship of the Russian-Bulgarian peoples ...
            2. 0
              12 September 2015 17: 04
              Do not argue Comrade Marshal. Reasoning is a delicate matter. You have neither the knowledge of history nor the intellectual potential for this.
              1. +2
                13 September 2015 00: 40
                You can not refute the facts .. but do not argue everything there .. smile
            3. +8
              12 September 2015 18: 54
              And where was the "will of the RUSSIAN people" at the time of Mishka Gorbaty, Bori Alcoholik, Gaidar, Chubais, etc., etc. DE * R * MA ???? Has anyone grumbled ???
              I well remember the tanks shooting the White House and the crowd of onlookers staring at the free disgrace !!!
              So, before you poke your finger into a straw in someone else's eye, allow me to notice the LOGS in your eye !!!
              1. +1
                13 September 2015 00: 44
                I well remember the tanks shooting the White House and the crowd of onlookers staring at the free disgrace !!!..Those. were you in the crowd of onlookers ..?And where was the "will of the RUSSIAN people" at the time of Mishka Gorbaty, Bori Alcoholik, Gaidar, Chubais, etc., etc. DE * R * MA ???? Has anyone grumbled ??? .. A counter-question, and where was the will of the Bulgarian people who supported perestroika? .. Nose downwind kept where the wind would blow ..?
                1. -2
                  13 September 2015 11: 52
                  The Bulgarian people BELIEVED in MIND and GOOD WILL coming from the Big Brother - the USSR. And this faith came to us sideways. And not only to us, the entire social camp!
                  By the way, there are recollections of the participants in the overthrow of the General Sec. Of the BKP T. Zhivkov about the ACTIVE participation of the KGB residency in the preparation and organization of the Coup.
                  1. 0
                    14 September 2015 03: 43
                    So we got to the main thing: again, the Russians are to blame for everything :-)
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          3. +2
            12 September 2015 20: 17
            as last year people in Ukraine opposed corruption, but the puppeteers turned everything upside down and turned the country into banderland,
            I put before you (under the article) a plus, well, you’ve already turned down. The Ukrainians have come out for gay-European underpants, hiding behind the fight against corruption. The majority supported the zavarushka precisely after refusing to sign the European integration.
        2. 0
          12 September 2015 17: 02
          You are here again Comrade Marshal, Commander-in-Chief of the Anti-Bulgarian Front. Pay well?
          1. +1
            13 September 2015 00: 53
            You are here again, Comrade Marshal,Yes, I'm here again, as Georgy Dimitrov at the Leipzig trial ... and they don’t pay me .. wink
      2. +4
        12 September 2015 22: 24
        You just told them one fact! A referendum on NATO has not been held. We know why! According to the results of opinion polls, more than 80% of Bulgarians were AGAINST! And you put a bunch of cons! belay Do you understand what is happening here? fool
        1. 0
          13 September 2015 09: 54
          And where are the protests against joining NATO? Since the whole country is against?
    2. +2
      12 September 2015 15: 23
      Quote: parusnik
      We, the Bulgarians, believe we are brothers, we didn’t love them .. Russian princes loved in the 8-11 centuries .. pinch the Byzantine empire ..

      maybe Kiev knights? True, I studied history with the union, maybe now in the Russian Federation they write Russian knights instead of Kiev knights. And then, after all, the Bulgarians completely reject the Bulgars of Khan Asparuh and write about their Slavic purity, which could only be achieved by the complete destruction of the men of the soldiers of Khan Asparuh so that they would not have time to pass on their gene to their descendants. Or you can allow another option: the Bulgars themselves were divided into a Slavic and Turkic branch and, during the partition, the Bulgars-Slavs went to the Balkans where they disappeared into other Slavs and Bulgars-Turks that went to the upper Volga and Kama where they gave rise to several Turkic peoples of the Volga region (this version is reinforced dividing the Bulgars into two tribal unions of the Unnogurs and Kuttogurs according to which the Bulgars split before their migration to the Balkans and the Volga region). opinion hi .
  14. +8
    12 September 2015 11: 21
    Quote: parusnik
    I don’t argue .. there are brothers in Bulgaria .. but there are few of them .. and quite .. And that’s typical, these brothers are called fascists in Bulgaria ... Something like this ...

    As long as there is at least one Bulgarian in Bulgaria who loves Russia and is ready to stand for it (and I am familiar with this), then I will never insult and humiliate the whole Bulgarian nation, I will never say that if you are Bulgarian (German, Ukrainian , Jew ...), then you are by definition bad, a traitor, ... In general, I think that work with our supporters abroad is not well done, you need to immediately activate the support of our supporters, otherwise they are sometimes practically abandoned.
    1. +3
      12 September 2015 22: 41
      For many years, the Russian cultural information center in Sofia spent only taxpayer money.
      1. 0
        13 September 2015 00: 55
        For many years, the Russian cultural information center in Sofia spent only taxpayer money..Those. You didn’t get over .. or a little bit got ..
    2. 0
      14 September 2015 03: 46
      Nobody says that Bulgarians are bad. Just do not expect fraternal acts from them. Only pragmatic. And act the same way.
  15. +1
    12 September 2015 11: 26
    An interesting question: during the Russian Empire, they talked about helping brothers on Vera. In Soviet times, they talked about internationalism, saying that they should help the proletarian brothers. Now they are again talking about brothers, a single people, helping dill and trading with it, as well as giving discounts on gas, coal, etc. But never in its history has any brother ever helped Russia in the most difficult or in the happiest times. We always succeed in everything we owe and owe. The thought creeps in, why is it always like this? And gradually you begin to realize that we are ruled and ruled by people who follow someone’s instructions, let's call them someone’s world government or freemasons. Then everything fits in bricks in a neat row. And the collapse of the Russian Empire and the collapse of the USSR and the current policy of selling everything and the whole of the country and a step forward and five back and first - You give the Russian World, and after shouting from the outside - grave silence and a heel backward trip. The country was and is under external control. There were some moments, for example under Stalin, but what started after his death or murder. It’s the same with kings. And as long as this external control remains, brains about the international, fraternities, allies will always soar to us and milk and milk our country under this brand.
    1. +5
      12 September 2015 12: 22
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      But never in its history has any brother ever helped Russia either in the most difficult or in the happiest times.

      Remember the article on "VO" dated May 13, 2015 "Help of the steppes. The Mongols are loyal allies of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War." Unfortunately, I cannot give any other examples.
      1. +1
        12 September 2015 20: 44
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        Mongols - faithful allies of the USSR

        And the Mongols were never called the brotherly people. Faithful allies - and that’s it.
    2. +1
      12 September 2015 20: 40
      Do not be ashamed of the general life is so illiterate? Tens of thousands of Bulgarians died in World War II fighting against the Nazis.
      1. +3
        13 September 2015 10: 02
        Why should the general be ashamed? As far as everyone knows, the Finns, the Hungarians, the Romanians, and even the Italians, etc., lost thousands of people killed fighting the Germans, but ... you just need to understand one "nuance" - all these "deserters" began to "fight" with the Germans only when Soviet and allied troops piled on them. And they themselves, for anything, would not turn their bayonets against the Germans, hoping to the end to profit from the USSR. All these "allies" betrayed their "friends" the Germans. And they don't like traitors anywhere-betrayed once, betrayed another time, and the third.
    3. +1
      12 September 2015 22: 08
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      But never in its history has any brother ever helped Russia either in the most difficult or in the happiest times.


      In Bulgaria, struck and bloodless by several Balkan wars and World War I, when hundreds of thousands of Bulgarian refugees arrived from the lost Bulgarian territories, in the early 20s 30000-35000 Russians arrived (part of the Wrangel army and civilians), to whom the Bulgarian government allocated budgetary funds, financial and charitable organizations helped, including Russian emigrant ones. 3000 orphans were accepted (transportation from Russia was coordinated and funded by the Bulgarian government). Veterans of the Russian-Turkish war and Russian disabled people were paid a pension from the budget. Russian schools were created and everything necessary was done as far as possible for the adaptation of Russian refugees. I personally know several Bulgarians whose grandfathers are White Guards, they proudly and willingly talk about it.
    4. -3
      12 September 2015 22: 32
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      But never in its history has any brother ever helped Russia in the most difficult or in the happiest times


      And now I give an example of the help of the Bulgarians in happy times:

      Bulgarian alphabet, Cyrillic, created by Clement of Ohrid and named after one of his teachers - Cyril.

      The Orthodox Christian faith with the help of numerous liturgical literature in Bulgarian, understandable for Russian and thanks to representatives of the Bulgarian clergy, which rallied people and determined the spiritual, cultural, historical development of Russia.

      During the CMEA and the Warsaw Pact, Bulgaria was one of the most loyal allies of the USSR.
      1. +7
        12 September 2015 22: 49
        The first atomic bombs from the Soviet Union made with Bulgarian uranium. At that time, this was of vital importance! The USSR did not have developed uranium finds, but did. Until the end of the 90s, all Bulgarian uranium was exported to the USSR. And in general, only malicious people can repeat, such nonsense as the "Tambov wolf"! 50 years of BNA, guarded the southern borders of the Warsaw Pact! We stood shoulder to shoulder against our common enemies! All Bulgarian industry and agriculture worked for the USSR, and he gave us harshness and various industrial products. Mutually beneficial cooperation in all spheres of economy, politics, science, culture and ... hundreds of thousands of mixed Russian-Bulgarian families! Great, isn't it? good
    5. +3
      13 September 2015 01: 35
      Eeeh Tambovsky, Tambovsky ... Doesn’t fit with you, brick! Crookedly put, crookedly worth it! Do you even know that Russia fought against the Ottomans for 300 years? And do you know why? To get to the Straits! PMV is 14 - the thirteenth consecutive war with the Turks. As a result of all these wars, they gained statehood on the Balkan Peninsula directly or indirectly, Greece, Serbia, Cerna Gora, Romania, Bulgaria ... maybe someone else missed it ?! We are grateful and will never forget who freed us and who owe their existence! For Russia, the war in 1877 was another step towards the Straits, and for us there was a Long-awaited Salvation! But let's honestly admit - if the Bulgarians did not live in the Bolkans, but for example in the central Anadol, would Russia come to free us? Hardly ... Emperors, and gosudarstveniki always put their interests first. It happens, though rarely, and these interests coincide with noble aspirations! Then the war is fair! The war in 1877 was fair for Russia! But PMV, not really ...
      1. +2
        13 September 2015 14: 56
        When do you answer the question? Why didn’t they become a neutral country? I ask for the third time. I don’t hear a reply. There’s nothing more to say. And about Bulgarian uranium you will fill in Geyropa. And we used it from Andijan, then formerly in the USSR.
        1. +2
          13 September 2015 15: 37
          Neutral country? Do not understand what period you are asking? In WWI, WWII or after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact? Uranus, strategic harsh. Ego can always be sold and there will always be buyers. In the first few years, after the end of WWII, when the nuclear monopoly possessed SASH, the USSR faced the vital question of the speedy creation of nuclear weapons. Locations of uranium in their territory, until they were developed and at the time needed. And time was short ... Bulgaria helped, which already had developed sites containing high-quality uranium ore. Of course, in the aftermath of the USSR, he developed his finds and problems with the severity were resolved. Despite this, all Bulgarian uranium was supplied to the USSR until the end of the 90.
  16. +1
    12 September 2015 11: 54
    The Bulgarian-Phobic campaign launched in the Russian media after December 1, 2014 continues at full speed:) Now I'm going to rest. I will unsubscribe in the evening. In facts and figures. By the way, yesterday when visiting Berlusconi in Crimea, he was promised to build a monument to the fallen Italian soldiers - this under the condition that Italy was an adversary of Russia in both the first and second world. By the way, in 2011, Italy took an active part in the liquidation of Gaddafi - then Berlusconi was still the Prime Minister. So here - the momentary policy sets the tone for the coverage of historical events :)
    1. +8
      12 September 2015 13: 09
      In World War I, Italy was not an adversary of the Entente, and consequently of Russia. 2 by history.
      1. -2
        12 September 2015 20: 57
        I accept a well-deserved deuce smile Although Italy was a member of the Triple Alliance, in World War I she went over to the side of the Entente. But, nevertheless, this does not change the essence of the question - well, if not in the First, then in the Crimean and Second World War Italy opposed Russia. Today she is in the EU, NATO and supports sanctions against Russia. But there is no Italianophobic hysteria in the Russian media, is there? Berlusconi set foot in the Crimea - and the monument is immediately offered to the fallen soldiers (I have nothing against the monument). And Bulgaria did not play the role of the "Trojan horse" of Russia in the EU - so immediately and cries: "Pre-yes-te-liii! They would-s-liiiii in two wars against us!"
        1. +7
          12 September 2015 22: 56
          Quote: but still
          But there is no Italian hysteria in the Russian media, is it?

          Because Italy has always been a stranger to us. Never and nowhere did we save them, and they never entered the fraternal nations. The point is not that the Bulgarians are so and so, but that there are no "brothers".
          Having business with Bulgaria given its political interests is normal.
          To have any common business is also normal.
          But you need to remember that:
          ... theses about "Orthodox brotherhood", "Slavic unity", and indeed about any "brotherly" peoples are just propaganda trick, or - naive and empty dreams ...
          1. 0
            14 September 2015 04: 56
            Quote: Dart2027
            and they never recorded in fraternal peoples


            Yes, this is so, but it was Russia that "wrote down" the Slavs among the fraternal peoples, it developed all these ideas of Pan-Slavism and the creation of a South Slavic federation (and Stalin later wanted Bulgaria to be thrust into Yugoslavia - it's good that Tito had moved away from Stalin, or even the Bulgarians would have got in the Yugoslav wars of the 90s). Why did all these brotherhood ideas develop? You yourself answered this question - it was a propaganda trick and a means of influencing the rulers, but for intellectual writers - naive and empty dreams.
          2. 0
            14 September 2015 05: 18
            Quote: Dart2027
            Because Italy has always been a stranger to us. We have never saved them anywhere.


            Saved from Napoleon, although he rallied them, but okay. Please make a list of whom you saved (the list will be long) and who "enrolled" in your brothers.
            And then a list of who "betrayed" whom when.

            The first country that came to mind - Serbia - fits all the criteria of brotherhood - Slavic, Orthodox, they saved it. Here in the column "betrayal" at the rates of forum prosecutors, Russia should be entered (the Americans were given to bomb it), right?
        2. -3
          13 September 2015 01: 01
          And Bulgaria did not play the role of the "Trojan horse" of Russia in the EU - so immediately and cries: "Pre-yes-te-liii!.. That's right, both in two wars, and now ..
    2. +4
      12 September 2015 20: 47
      Quote: but still
      that in the first and second world Italy was an opponent of Russia

      About the first explain, please. Is it the Russian Italians who beat Caporetto? And have Monte Clara been taken from them? Or are the Austrians, after all?
  17. +6
    12 September 2015 11: 59
    Quote: Anatole Klim
    Quote: parusnik
    I don’t argue .. there are brothers in Bulgaria .. but there are few of them .. and quite .. And that’s typical, these brothers are called fascists in Bulgaria ... Something like this ...

    As long as there is at least one Bulgarian in Bulgaria who loves Russia and is ready to stand for it (and I am familiar with this), then I will never insult and humiliate the whole Bulgarian nation, I will never say that if you are Bulgarian (German, Ukrainian , Jew ...), then you are by definition bad, a traitor, ... In general, I think that work with our supporters abroad is not well done, you need to immediately activate the support of our supporters, otherwise they are sometimes practically abandoned.

    And with what I insulted, and humiliated the whole Bulgarian nation ..? The Russophile Ataka party, in Bulgaria, is considered fascist, for some reason .. The Bulgarian rear guard, who collected leftovers after the Germans, and sent them to Bulgaria .. to dream of building a hotel in Vyshesteblievskaya after the victory
    Nazi Germany over the USSR ..? I will not hide, he swore love for the Russian people .. said that he didn’t shoot at Russians .. He promised how to build a hotel, to take his grandmother and children to work .. Thank you, brother Bulgarian for taking care, in case of victory by Nazi Germany .. Yes Germany did not grow together .. hi
    1. +3
      12 September 2015 12: 18
      Quote: parusnik
      And with what I insulted, and humiliated the whole Bulgarian nation ..?

      In no way did I mean your comment, it concerned the statements above, but on the contrary I supported and quoted you, where you wrote that there are few of our supporters and they are called fascists, but we actually do not support them.
      1. +2
        12 September 2015 13: 41
        That’s for sure, we don’t support it ... Attack ... it is considered by the nationalist party .. But nevertheless, vague doubts torment it ... even about it .. Sarisa, or as it is, the one that is in power in Greece today .. well .. promised a lot and swore in many ways .. but as it turned out, it is understandable not all at once .. step by step .. and yet ..
  18. +5
    12 September 2015 12: 20
    Quote: but still
    Bulgarianophobic campaign

    And where do you see the Bulgarianophobic company ... Question..for the Russophile party Attack, voted
    395 733 people, for pro-Western Citizens for the European development of Bulgaria 1 people Movement for rights and freedoms 678 people, the Blue Coalition 641 ... that is, this choice of Bulgarians can be safely called Russophobic ..
    1. -2
      13 September 2015 04: 58
      Quote: parusnik
      Quote: but still
      Bulgarianophobic campaign

      And where do you see the Bulgarianophobic company ... Question..for the Russophile party Attack, voted
      395 733 people, for pro-Western Citizens for the European development of Bulgaria 1 people Movement for rights and freedoms 678 people, the Blue Coalition 641 ... that is, this choice of Bulgarians can be safely called Russophobic ..



      In the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev, uncle
      1. 0
        13 September 2015 09: 58
        And to clarify? Or do not condescend?
  19. +3
    12 September 2015 12: 51
    Rummage around in history, you will not find big prostitutes than Bulgarians among Slavs.
  20. 0
    12 September 2015 13: 00
    And you, gentlemen, lovers of Bulgarians, go to rest in Bulgaria and see with your eyes the love of "brothers" for Russians.
    1. -2
      13 September 2015 05: 10
      Quote: arrow keys
      And you, gentlemen, lovers of Bulgarians, go to rest in Bulgaria and see with your eyes the love of "brothers" for Russians.


      what Are you working on advertising a discount in a Bulgarian hotel?
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  22. +4
    12 September 2015 13: 22
    Quote: War and Peace
    The question is clearly far-fetched - there is a war against the Russian people

    Of course! Russia put several hundred thousand soldiers' lives in the liberation of the Bulgarians. And the Bulgarians, in response, fought against Russia in both world wars! And now the frenzy has not passed, the South Stream project has not passed, then the planes with humanitarian aid are not allowed through. and the USA. negative fool hi
  23. -1
    12 September 2015 13: 25
    So, for joining NATO, the decision was taken by our politicians, there was no referendum. Since in 1944, the decision to join the socialist bloc was taken in Moscow. The referendum was not again. The referendum was to replace the monarchy from the republic, but there can be doubts about the results.
    For WWI, yes we are opponents. It seems that Nikakov does not have the norm for entering into an alliance with opponents from the Balkan War (Greece, Serbia, Romania).
    Can the author remember which fleet flew its sea capital Varna with volleys? Is it not the Russian imperial fleet? Date October 14.10.1915, 1916. Ahead of September XNUMX. Your fleet attacked Varna more than once, and Balchik was wiped out of the face of the earth.
    1. +5
      12 September 2015 14: 20
      Can the author recall which fleet flew its own sea artillery with its volleys, our sea capital Varna? Bulgaria entered the First World War on October 14, 1915 on the side of Germany, Turkey, and Austria-Hungary, declaring war on Serbia.Your fleet has attacked Varna more than once, and Balchik has been wiped out of the face of the earth.... What cunning and cynical crime on the part of Russia .. Statehood, who restored you? England? .. France? ... no? Ahhh ... friends from Turkey? During the war years, the soldiers from the Bulgarian trophy team, my grandmother ... in Vyshestlebievskaya, liked them ... our land, swore love for the Russian people, one promised, after the war, when Hitler wins, and gives him land ... a hotel build, take a grandmother with children to work .. Yes, somehow it didn’t grow together ... And so you look, and saved from destruction .. would be like inferior, probably ...
    2. +3
      12 September 2015 16: 37
      Or can the author recall on whose side Bulgaria fought in the World War II ?? !!
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    3. +2
      12 September 2015 20: 27
      Ahead of September 1916. Your fleet attacked Varna more than once, and Balchik was wiped out of the face of the earth. ,,
      that’s why I got out in NATO. What did you decide now to answer in the Crimea, along with the “valiant” nata? I personally do not have against the Bulgarian people (I understand the situation), but against people like you, I am ready to repeat the attack of the fleet.
  24. +2
    12 September 2015 13: 50
    Brotherhood happens and is, just politicians spoil everything.
  25. +9
    12 September 2015 14: 07
    Quote: pytar
    Materials with anti-Bulgarian content in Russian-language resources, a lion!

    Oh how! Bulgaria in the WWI, fought with the Turks, Germans against Russia, during the Second World War was on the side of Nazi Germany, Bulgaria is a member of NATO, a military alliance against Russia, about 3 million .. Bulgarians voted for pro-Western parties .. .Russia, offered Bulgaria South Stream, real money .. Bulgaria, in favor of Western countries and the Nazi Ukraine, proudly refused, Bulgaria closed the airspace, even promised to shoot down for Russian planes delivering humanitarian aid to Syria .. Is it anti-Bulgarian propaganda? ..
    1. -5
      12 September 2015 16: 15
      Quote: parusnik
      Quote: pytar
      Materials with anti-Bulgarian content in Russian-language resources, a lion!

      Oh how! Bulgaria in the WWI, fought with the Turks, Germans against Russia, during the Second World War was on the side of Nazi Germany, Bulgaria is a member of NATO, a military alliance against Russia, about 3 million .. Bulgarians voted for pro-Western parties .. .Russia, offered Bulgaria South Stream, real money .. Bulgaria, in favor of Western countries and the Nazi Ukraine, proudly refused, Bulgaria closed the airspace, even promised to shoot down for Russian planes delivering humanitarian aid to Syria .. Is it anti-Bulgarian propaganda? ..


      you are probably not Russian, do not understand Russian, Bulgarian too ...
      1. +3
        12 September 2015 21: 05
        Quote: War and Peace
        you’re probably not Russian, don’t understand Russian,

        And you probably are not Russian, do not understand Russian, English (USA) is closer ... And you can do without weeping.
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    3. -2
      12 September 2015 17: 44
      ... the years of World War II Bulgaria was on the side of Nazi Germany ...

      ..............................
      All clear. In the Second World War you are completely illiterate young man. Earn money if you pay but also learn more.
      1. 0
        12 September 2015 21: 09
        Quote: Konsov02
        In World War II, you are completely illiterate

        Not for you, dear to talk about the Second World War. Our people paid tens of millions of lives for knowledge, yours received a price for the sale in 6-ton Vickers, Skodas, I remember, even Tiger was not spared for your corruption.
      2. +2
        13 September 2015 01: 08
        All clear. In the Second World War you are completely illiterate young man. Earn money if you pay but also learn more.In the spring and summer of 1944, the Soviet government repeatedly appealed to the Bulgarian government with a proposal to break the alliance with Germany and maintain neutrality.
        Thus, on May 18, 1944, the government of the USSR demanded that the government of Bulgaria stop providing assistance to the German army.
        On August 12, 1944, the government of the USSR repeatedly demanded that the government of Bulgaria cease providing assistance to the German army. As of September 5, 1944, there were 30 German troops in Bulgaria, the government of the USSR on September 5, on the other hand, regarded the activities of the government of Muraviev as a continuation of foreign policy Bagryanov’s government (despite a statement of neutrality) and announced that he was at war with Bulgaria.
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  26. 0
    12 September 2015 14: 47
    The reason for the attack was the government’s refusal to allow flights to Syria. Of course, in Bulgaria we do not approve of such a criminal decision of the "Bulgarian" government!

    And what nat. Do you have the government in quotation marks? Hesitate laughing
  27. 0
    12 September 2015 15: 13
    In general, there is no brotherhood between nations divided by lines of state borders
    We do not have a common border with the Serbs, but who doubted that they are not our brothers? We have a common border with Dill, but who will now call those brothers for whom traitors and criminals such as Mazepa, Petliura and Bandera with Shukhevych have become national "heroes"? If the Ukrainians have gone beyond reason, their memory has erased, so take offense at the Bulgarians now ...
    1. -2
      12 September 2015 19: 06
      "We do not have a common border with the Serbs, but who doubted that they are not our brothers?"
      And by what you judge that the Serbs consider YOU brothers. And even if they think, this did not stop RUSSIA from betraying Serbia in 1999, as well as Bulgaria in the past!
      And after all this still REQUIRES loyalty! ???
      1. +2
        12 September 2015 20: 30
        And after all this still REQUIRES loyalty! ??? ,,
        we are not a sash to demand something. it’s just that we have a good memory, you have to pay for everything once.
      2. 0
        13 September 2015 10: 03
        Nobody requires anything from you.
        It’s just that it is very unpleasant for us Russians every time to convince ourselves that the peoples that we considered fraternal are abandoning and betraying us as soon as possible.
        We know, remember, but still, we plunge into it again and again. And we will, apparently.
  28. 0
    12 September 2015 16: 01
    But no one is offended by the Bulgarians, you can be offended by someone you respect, but here only statements of historical realities.
    1. +1
      12 September 2015 17: 47
      And can we say how many tens of thousands of Bulgarian soldiers were killed in battles with the Nazis? Do you have enough knowledge and literacy? Young man, why do you know the history of the Second World War so poorly?
      1. +1
        12 September 2015 21: 13
        Quote: Konsov02
        And you can say how many dozens
        MILLIONS of Soviet people gave their lives for the Bulgarian, including the opportunity to dodge the German "new order". Do you know arithmetic? So shut up the fountain.
  29. +3
    12 September 2015 16: 38
    Bulgarians and Russians - one blood, one faith, one language - one people !!!
    1. +3
      12 September 2015 19: 24
      I fully support! good No real Russian or Bulgarian can be against it! By minus, we find out how many Pin-dos trolls "live" here! bully And suddenly shut up! After all, they will blow it out in sight! laughing
      1. +7
        12 September 2015 20: 35
        By minus, we find out how many Pin-dos trolls "live" here,
        trolls don’t linger here, let alone pin..ie. but there’s a grudge, of course. We don’t understand what and how, but YOUR government does EVERYTHING so that it (grudge) grows. You still haven’t answered why the support of the gay parties Bulgarian people are so big.
        1. 0
          13 September 2015 10: 12
          I do not think that there should be an insult. Just a memory. So that next time, when the brothers once again put a knife in the back, it would not be so painful, unpleasant and incomprehensible.
    2. 0
      13 September 2015 10: 09
      When the Bulgarians it is beneficial.

      Which, however, is unlikely to prevent the Russians from coming to your aid again when you call.
  30. +3
    12 September 2015 17: 53
    Quote: Pavel Gusterin
    Fraternal peoples are one thing, and interstate relations are another.

    It turns out that as a result of these interstate relations imposed by the top, the attitude of the fraternal people changes. Question of time. I have a positive attitude towards those Bulgarians who are upholding their position here, but look around me. Do you have a lot of like-minded people in your country? for sure. Adult people and trolls would not have noticed at all if it weren’t for the affairs of your government and the monuments in the previous article. Moreover, due to a lack of facts, it began: And you yourself ....
  31. -1
    12 September 2015 19: 41
    - -Cho, however, is being done ... Click on the button: and the Bulgarians are already historically formed enemies ... Click on the other: the Czechs, Poles, Serbs are the original scoundrels ... According to the third: "Beat h-oh-lov ! "- there are no Ukrainians in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and never have been ... The fourth button is" passionate "friendship with the Caucasus! Another worn-out button: "Israel is the eternal enemy." Take the remote control from your uncle urgently! Head spin...
  32. +3
    12 September 2015 19: 49
    Quote: avt
    Quote: pytar
    Do not fall for the propaganda of enemies!

    request "By their deeds you will recognize them"
    Quote: pytar
    They and our enemies!

    Well, what does the LEADERSHIP of Bulgaria seemingly be for their country ..... it’s enough that practically with their own hands the BULGARIANs are freeing the country from themselves .... Yes, here also the UKRAINIANS are catching up with you and even overtaking - they started a war at home such that will hiccup for a long time.

    Here is a classic example when a person writes in bad faith! He intentionally does not make a difference between power and people! About the mention of the Bulgarians and Ukrainians in one perspective, I will write a separate comment! bully
  33. 0
    12 September 2015 19: 49
    The issue of the brotherhood of peoples is a purely political dummy. Well, why did the descendants of the great Bulgars brought to the present land by Khan Asparuh suddenly become Russian little brothers? Or did they forget their ancestors? It all started in the Turkish war, when the Russian Tsar desperately needed to screw the Turks. So the Bulgarians who got on the road became brothers. And now? Ethnically, the Bulgarians are dearer to the Turks, they are the Turks. The fact that they are Orthodox, they speak Slavic, it certainly brings together. But the Poles are also in Slavic verbs. However, they tortured Susanin. No matter how much they dreamed, they did not become brothers. Who are your brothers? Kazakhs. Of course the Kazakhs. More fraternal bed than our common border of 6000 km. you’ll find horseradish. Here, brothers we are involuntarily. Like it or not. drinks
  34. +2
    12 September 2015 19: 58
    In short. People.
    Do not need all the people under one comb. There are elites and common people.
    Rested in Turkey. Somehow it happened that it was nice to communicate with 2 Polish families and 1 Bulgarian. Not all Russophobes are there. Although there are enough of them.
    1. 0
      13 September 2015 10: 14
      Not all, I agree. Just the majority.
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  36. +3
    12 September 2015 20: 39
    Quote: arrow keys
    Or can the author recall on whose side Bulgaria fought in the World War II ?? !!

    Or maybe I recall on whose side Russia fought in the WWII? Yes, and in WWII! what If I am not mistaken, on the side of my worst enemy - the British Empire ??? Something I can’t remember for myself, and the French, like your great friends ?! Here, Russia from Germany before that time, it seems to me there weren’t any big mess! It is strange, because suddenly Germany and Russia became enemies and mutually exterminated in two world wars. ... and at that time, the Anglo-Saxons were pretty rubbing their hands ... bully
    1. +3
      12 September 2015 23: 19
      The point is not who fought with whom, the point is that the Russians are ready to shed their blood for their brothers. And brothers cannot do little in return. Because of this, you see so many negative statements, which, among other things, are dictated by an emotional series. You and one of your compatriots were right when you said that we, the Russians, are ourselves largely to blame for the current situation. Do you know why they call us quilted jackets? Not because we are a worthless nation, but because we ourselves wear kirzachs and quilted jackets, while others are trying to build heaven and change the world for the better. We were responsible for those whom we tamed, in contrast to the Western countries, which the peoples who joined them mercilessly exploited, plundered, suppressed, and often simply destroyed. But the image of Europe as a conglomerate of prosperous and prosperous countries, formed by Western propaganda, lures countries such as Bulgaria, and in general the former Soviet republics and countries of the former Warsaw Pact, to the EU, like the light of the fire of moths. This is our fault. Naturally, the image of our country and the people in the world suffers as a result, and enemy propaganda actively uses various clichés. Naturally, all countries that choose their allies and partners do not want to exist with "dirty and stupid" Ivan. My opinion is that first we need to make our country attractive for cooperation and alliance, so that we would not run and call, but what other peoples would see in practice what Russia is and who the Russian people are. Countries that have opted for European cooperation should sip on their fill. Just like the Ukrainians should drink the cup of Bandera and Svidomo to the bottom, and understand what it is. I think our president also thinks something like this. In general, the expansion of the borders of the so-called "Russian world" was initially dictated by the need to surround Russia with buffer states to protect it from raids by enemies of all stripes. Later, these buffer states merged into Russia, and the peoples assimilated, but at the same time retained their national identity, culture, and language. This is a radically different approach, in contrast to Western countries. In the modern world, Russia is capable of defending its borders and projecting its interests without many buffer states. Let such states as Bulgaria have their own headache for their fate. Russia will no longer sacrifice its own well-being. All Russia's relations with other countries should be conditioned by the benefit for the interests of Russia and the peoples of Russia, with the goodwill of the partner and mutual respect, of course. And excuse me, talking about brotherhood in interstate affairs is absurd. And so, yes, Bulgarians are a brotherly people in blood and faith, and Bulgaria is a beautiful and hospitable country. I wish you happiness and prosperity.
      1. -1
        13 September 2015 12: 08
        ".... the fact is that the Russians are ready to shed their blood for their brothers."
        Well, let's - pour! Here in New Russia, the Russians are fighting for their ideas, and the state of Russia is in no hurry to pour blood helping them ??? Do not rush to pour blood and to the aid of the ONLY remaining ally in the Middle East - Syria.
        How did not shed blood and for the Serbs in 1999. and gave Yugoslavia to be torn to pieces.
        And in general - stop telling tales. When Russia is FOLLOW-UP and LOYALNA to its ALLIES, then it will be possible to make claims to their disloyalty !!!
        1. +1
          16 September 2015 01: 12
          Without Russia's support, the so-called Novorossia would be crushed in a few days. And Syria would no longer be there. In Ukraine, everything was started for one purpose: to draw Russia into conflict, to expose it in the eyes of the world community as a brutal aggressor. There is a saying: guns are the last argument of kings. This means that if you use guns, then you have already lost in more advanced methods of warfare: informational, economic, political. And the soldiers in New Russia are missing in Syria. Russia bears enormous costs in this war. No other country could withstand such pressure, and collapsed economically. And you, apparently, give mountains of corpses of Russian soldiers? From one drug trafficking from Afghanistan, with the direct support of the United States, 30000 people die in Russia every year. For 10 years of the presence of Soviet troops in Afghanistan, 10000 soldiers died, and there was no Afghan heroin. And what was Yugoslavia to help if the army was already gone? And there were enough men with machine guns in Yugoslavia. Think with your head, and not with what you have in her place on her shoulders. So this is your chatter about loyalty and consistency.
  37. +3
    12 September 2015 21: 03
    I began to relate very very ambivalently to Bulgaria and the Bulgarians. Several times since the mid-90s and after resting on the coast of Bulgaria. More often he lived with Bulgarians in private hotels in Sozopol, Pomorie, Burgas, etc. Those. in the thick of the Bulgarians. I always felt comfortable there.
    But here are the decisions of the Bulgarian authorities, that for NATO, for South. the flow and prohibition of passage grew. aircraft shows a petty desire to bite them Russia. Vile attempts.
    And since the Bulgarians themselves chose such leaders, the conclusion is sad ...
    1. +1
      12 September 2015 21: 32
      Quote: xomaNN
      And since the Bulgarians themselves chose such leaders, the conclusion is sad ...

      And we have elections on Sunday. I guess. "Edro" will win. Moreover, it is convincing! The conclusion will be also sad ...?
      Do you approve of the decisions of our government, our "leaders", especially in the economic and social sphere?
      Quote: pytar
      ... STARTED STILL STRONGER THAN I AM BULGARIN!

      +++!!!
      1. -1
        13 September 2015 23: 53
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        And we have elections on Sunday. I’ll guess ....

        You guessed it! "Edro" in Ryazan-70%. Give rise to prices and retirement age!
    2. +2
      13 September 2015 12: 14
      But Gorbachov and Yeltsin, the Russians themselves chose ??? And what conclusions after this ???
      In general - it’s your happiness that such a MUZHIK as Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is in power.
      I don't want to think about what will happen when he leaves. Or if he is "gone" ...
  38. +1
    12 September 2015 21: 28
    Quote: Volga Cossack
    forgot Shipka .......... forgot very quickly.

  39. -2
    12 September 2015 21: 29
    This article is taken out of the context of previous events. And they are as follows:

    1915 - The Russian fleet in the territorial waters of Bulgaria smashes Varna and wipes Balchik off the face of the earth. Kavarna got less.
    1913 - as a result of the inter-allied war, the neighbors took away from Bulgaria the original Bulgarian territories with the Bulgarian population (including the DOBRUJU mentioned in this article)
    1878 - Berlin Congress - Russia takes the lands of Bessarabia and Moldova (Romania claimed for them) and COMPENSES Romanians with the historical and ethnic lands of the Bulgarians - ARBWA. Moreover, Romanian politicians did not initially want to accept the lands of DOBRUJA, because knew that they are historically and ethnically Bulgarian.
    DOBRUJA - I will not list which peoples lived on this earth in the ancient period. In medieval, a Bulgarian state was formed there. The Bulgarians Asparuh together with the local population defeated the Byzantine forces at the end of the 7th century and founded the state of Bulgaria there in 681, the first capital of Bulgaria - Pliska (there were no Romanians there, there were no Vlachs and Moldavians - their principalities were formed only in The 14th century, and even before the 19th century they used the Cyrillic alphabet, were Orthodox and used the Bulgarian language in worship). Even without taking into account the historical aspect, by 1878 Dobrudja was inhabited mainly by Bulgarians.
    CONCLUSION: On the basis of the doctrine of the rulers of Russia, Moscow - the Third Rome (after the fall of Constantinople) and the desire to go to the warm seas and straits during the numerous Russian-Turkish wars in 1878, Russia reserves Bessarabia and Moldova, in whose territory Romania claimed compensating for it with Bulgarian lands, laying a time bomb with this, which resulted in numerous wars, one of which is described in this article.
    1. +4
      12 September 2015 22: 39
      The station is so biased and sewn with white ropes that it clearly smells on order! And the subsequent flurry of "comments" in the same spirit will leave no doubt that there is a question of deliberate provocation! We are Bulgarians, too Russophile people and are a threat to the plans of the United States, regarding Russia. That is why, on the last day, there has been a massive dumping of anti-Bulgarian materials all over the ru-net! This happened immediately after the criticism in the American Congress that the United States is losing the information war against Russia! They want to pit us against the Russians!
  40. +1
    12 September 2015 21: 44
    Bulgaria’s refusal to let in Russian airplanes with humanitarian aid for Syria through its airspace was commented in the State Duma, promising to find an adequate response to such actions.

    The position of Bulgaria, which suddenly suspected that Russian planes could carry weapons to Syria, was considered unfriendly in the Russian parliament.

    According to State Duma Deputy Speaker Nikolai Levichev, the Bulgarian leadership, by whatever decision it dictated, joined the camp of opponents of the current system of international relations. And the refusal of Russian planes to fly over humanitarian aircraft with humanitarian aid is an inhuman and short-sighted move, he said.
    "Other flight routes have already been found for Russian aircraft, but the path of confrontation with Russia, which the official Sofia has taken, will definitely not benefit the Bulgarian people. We will remember such an unfriendly step and find an adequate response to it," said the vice speaker.
  41. +2
    12 September 2015 22: 09
    Quote: RUSNAC
    In 1914 there was no choice - Germany declared war on the Russian Empire, I had to fight. Bulgaria had such a choice. If the Bulgarians did the right thing, then Adrianople was rightfully annexed in 1918, but the hatred of Serbia turned out to be stronger.

    Russia had a choice! Russia is a great country! She herself can choose friends and allies! In small countries, the choice is always limited, and often there is no choice! We never needed Adrianople! We do not need anything else! We want our own and we will not give our own to anyone! These are the ONE RIGHT choice for us! Our attitude towards Serbia is really ambiguous. Especially after she attacked us in the back in 1885, and even later in the Balkan war, being in conspiracy with Greece, she occupied Macedonia. Often, the significance of Macedonia for Bulgaria is compared with the significance of Ukraine, for Russia. This is not entirely true. For Bulgaria, Macedonia is something much more important! Eto like Petersburg, for Russia! The second heart of the Bulgarian soul! Sobirayus write a article on these issues. nadyus will find time. Ksati, you write RUSNAK, Bulgaria, Bulgaria, as if in Bulgarian, and not in Russian! What nationality are you, if not a secret?
    1. 0
      13 September 2015 15: 12
      Why did you kick Serbia and Macedonia badly in the 90s. To write about the distant past, you had to live then, write about the fact that you have lived.
  42. +2
    12 September 2015 22: 25
    Quote: Konsov02
    Aggressive illiteracy or good troll?

    E that and that. good
  43. +2
    12 September 2015 23: 02
    Let's summarize ... We were brothers ... When, all of Russia was collecting help, to the Bulgarian rebels, in 1876, when Bulgaria was liberated in 1877-78, the brotherhood was sealed with blood ... During the period of "totalitarianism" .. Russia is accused that the USSR in Gorbachev's era betrayed everyone, but there was such a thing ... But that all the Slavic brothers ... did not take the initiative ... to convene the Communist Parties, to get together and discuss, to tell Gorbaty what you were doing? But they supported perestroika ... The Eastern Germans held out to the end ... the only ones of all .. Well, okay .. It seems to me that we will again become brothers, Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, Bulgarians, Yugoslavs, when rotten Europe will simply abandon these countries, due to their problems .. and they will be annually grow ... so the world, from a unipolar, again becomes multipolar ... And Eastern Europe will turn, again to face Russia, in silk panties, but without a Schengen visa ... Poland will say, I remember here, we once built ships for the CMEA, maybe you can order it? And then Europe turned out to be unnecessary .. Hungarians, they will declare and we did Ikuras .. maybe again .. Bulgarians, do you remember we had joint projects in radio electronics ... and we developed computers together, or maybe all over again ...? AND?
    1. 0
      13 September 2015 00: 01
      I approve. The world should not be unipolar - there must be a balance. But still, I am for the friendly and partnership relations of ALL Europe and Russia, i.e. EU and EAEU.
    2. 0
      13 September 2015 10: 20
      Exactly. Where it is more profitable - there are brothers.
      And no one will remember about "a friend in trouble".
    3. +1
      13 September 2015 15: 22
      Only business, nothing personal. Not any "brothers", we go around the market looking for where gas and other sweets are cheaper, we do not offer sex.
  44. +2
    12 September 2015 23: 21
    Quote: DJDJ GOSHA
    In World War I, Italy was not an adversary of the Entente, and consequently of Russia. 2 by history.

    During WWI, Italy, until the last possible moment, hesitated on whose side to participate and where it could receive more dividends. Finally, she entered Entente, but the Italian soldiers with no military feats were not noted. Ksati here on the site there is a very detailed and interesting article on this issue.
  45. 0
    12 September 2015 23: 24
    http://birserg-1977.livejournal.com/422075.html

    On September 6, 1916, the Bulgarian units entered into battle with the 61st Infantry Division of the Russian Army in Dobrudja. “On this day, once and for all, the legend was buried that the Bulgarian troops would not fight against their Russian liberators,” General Toshev, commander of the 3rd Bulgarian Army, wrote on this occasion.
    From the military journal of the 243-th Kholmsky regiment: “In the bayonet battle, the rank and file of the 14-th company Goryainov, who killed the 4’s Bulgarians and Corporal Utkin, who killed the Bulgarian, wounded Goryainov, was also killed, but also killed
    Historian Astashov A. B. on the assessment of Bulgarians by Russians.


    1. 0
      12 September 2015 23: 48
      Yes, they fought with the Russian-Romanian troops when they crossed the border. And they drove them to the border (Russian-Romanian troops). There they stopped, although they could not stop.

      Read everything, boy, do not rush, life is long drinks
    2. +5
      13 September 2015 00: 09
      And you do not ask yourself the question, WHY did the Bulgarian soldiers fight so fiercely? Did not give up, did not retreat, were not afraid of death? Why fought so stubbornly? The answer is exactly on the fourth line in the scanned sheet above! ARRIVAL! Because they fought in their own land and for their own land, against the invaders and occupiers! It can be seen that you do not know where Dobruzhda is located and what is the first piece of Bulgarian land on the Balkan Peninsula, where Bulgarians have been living for 1300 years! When someone comes to my house to kill my children, wife, father and mother, and I will fight, to the last! PMV is for us a FAIR, DOMESTIC WAR! For that, all the Bulgarian people fought as one! We did not come to you, but you come to us with unkind intentions! You came to help Romanians, Serbs, Greeks, who a year ago / In 1913 / occupied a third of Bulgaria and sowed my sonarodniki! Not us, but you were on the wrong side! WE WERE NOT WAR AGAINST YOU, AND YOU WAR AGAINST US! We liberated the same lands that RUSSIA had already RELEASED in 1978, and then, upon compulsion and under the threat of a new war, returned to the Turks, following the results of the Berlin Treaty! People! Calm down! Stop writing all sorts of nonsense! You are Russian! How are you so brainwashed? fool What is happening ?! belay
      1. +1
        13 September 2015 15: 30
        What did Russia release in 1978 and return? Mistakes in words are forgiven, but there is no forgiveness for such a "history lover" like you.
        1. 0
          14 September 2015 05: 46
          Well, why do you use letters?
        2. +2
          14 September 2015 11: 02
          Especially for the "history professional" TT62:
          Map of Bulgaria under the Sanstefan Peace Treaty - 03.03.1878
          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Sanstefanska_Bulgaria.png
          The territory almost completely coincides with the territory of the Bulgarian Orthodox Exarchy, according to the plebiscite held in the Ottoman Empire in 27.02.1870. The people in this territory self-identified as the Bulgarian Orthodox people! And down, a map of what remains of Bulgaria, after the Berlin Treaty - 13.07.1878. Deputy: East Rumelia - the Ottoman province remains with an autonomous status.
          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Bulgaria_after_Congress_of_B
          erlin_in_1878.png
    3. 0
      13 September 2015 00: 12
      Well, of course, "the Romanian troops did not show the due stubbornness" - they were not fighting for their land!
    4. -1
      13 September 2015 01: 33
      And you ask the British and French what they had when they fought with ours on the Southern Front. They still cannot forgive. This was a massacre, although all the time superiority in forces and means was with them. Horror went crazy with their mouths.
      1. +2
        13 September 2015 01: 51
        My child fought there. The French led their Moroccan corps. Wild Africans, they sowed terror among the local population. When the Bulgarian soldiers found out what these creatures were doing, they asked their commanders to give the order to attack. Finally, the order was given, and ours crushed the Moroccans wherever they had combat contact. After that, the surviving Chernozhoptsy only heard that the Bulgarians would come, left their positions and fled in horror. There was a rumor among them that bullets did not "catch" Bulgarians. FACT: HUNDREDS IN BULGARIAN MUSEUMS HAVE CONSERVED HUNDREDS OF FOLLOWED ALIEN BANNERS, BUT NEVER, NEVER, None OF THE BULGARIAN MILITARY BANNERS HAVE BEEN FOUND AT THE ENEMY!
  46. +3
    13 September 2015 00: 02
    Now, with regard to historical memory .... I will say about myself .. I appreciate the help of the Yugoslav partisans, who pulled off several German divisions, during the Great Patriotic War, the military alliance of Polish, Czechoslovak, Romanian military units created on the territory The USSR, who fought shoulder to shoulder with Soviet soldiers, the invaluable help of the anti-fascist underground in Bulgaria ... Together, Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, the USSR ... defeated the Ukronazis ... Bandera ... But to each country in Eastern Europe ... I have a separate account ... Here the Bulgarian "brothers" impute Russia, accusations of the "barbaric" shelling of Varna, Balchik in 1916 ... they say they had no right, we are "brothers" .. Only the "brothers" .. forgot on whose side they were, and in whose German submarines and cruisers Goeben and Breslau were based in ports .. This is by the way .. I don’t like alternatives, but just imagine, "brothers", if Bulgaria, took the side of the Entente .. Invaluable help to the Serbs .. in their confrontation with Austria-Hungary .. and most importantly e, the Bulgarian army, from the land, and the Russian Black Sea Fleet from the sea ... at the gates of Istanbul ... it would be symbolic ... But alas, this did not happen ... Instead, they gave shelter to the German robbers who fired at the Black Sea cities of Russia ... and here your conscience does not torment you .. It's the Germans who fired at you, you have nothing to do with it .. you are "brothers" ... And finally, "brothers" .. do not forget to whom you owe, the restoration of your statehood, which you did not have 500 years ... and who are you now accusing of all mortal sins and who are you crap ... About the fact that you crap, too, do not forget .. And do not say that your government is to blame .. you chose it ..
    1. +2
      13 September 2015 00: 34
      Did you read Peter's comment that the First World War was a Patriotic War for the Bulgarians? I fully support Peter's opinion. And on my own behalf I will add - Bulgaria fought only for its Bulgarian lands, taken from her by her neighbors under the patronage of Russia. Do you call Germans German robbers? Whatever to say, but the Germans are correct to their allies, and in general they have a strong sense of justice. The fact that Hitler confused the Germans - that is, that is. And there is a background to this. As is the prehistory of the revolution / coup in Russia and the subsequent regime. And Russians in many wars kissed the gums with the Germans! And you know that very well! What is the only thing worth the joint parade of friendship, which the Germans called the "Parade of Victors" in Brest in 1939 ?!
      1. +1
        13 September 2015 01: 49
        Do you call Germans German robbers? Say what you like, but the Germans are correct towards their allies, and indeed their sense of justice is highly developed..Oh yeah! During the Great Patriotic War, the Bulgarian trophy part stood in Vysheteblievskaya, the Germans didn’t take it for themselves, the Bulgarians cleaned up .. Two Bulgarians, they lodged with my grandmother .. I promised one when Germany defeats Russia, I’ll return to Vysshebelievskaya, open a hotel with a restaurant, grandmother to take with his children the older uncle Stefan, he promised the managers to do it, they say his eyes were honest .. But somehow it didn’t grow together .. Nooo they swore love for the Russian people, they said we don’t shoot Russians .. And in many wars, the Russians kissed the gums with the Germans!.. Well, list? I'll name one .. the border campaign of the Russian army, opposite Napoleon, but then they kissed .. "brothers" in arms were .. True, a year earlier, the same Germans were beaten as part of Napoleon's army .. Parade in Brest? The official procedure for the transfer of the city of Brest and the Brest Fortress to the Soviet side during the invasion of Poland by German troops. The procedure ended with the solemn descent of the German and the raising of the Soviet flags. In the federal military archive in Germany, in the documents of the top leadership of the second tank group there is a document "Vereinbarung mit sowjetischen Offizieren über die Überlassung von Brest-Litowsk" ("Agreement with Soviet officers on the transfer of Brest-Litovsk" ), dated 21.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX. It, in particular, indicates:
        14:00: Beginning of the passage of the ceremonial march (Vorbeimarsch) of Russian and German troops in front of the commanders of both sides, followed by a change of flags. During the change of flags, music plays national anthems. The event was filmed by the German propaganda service Die Deutsche Wochenschau. The event was filmed by the German propaganda service Die Deutsche Wochenschau. You tell me other wars, tell me where we still kissed the gums with the Germans .. By the way, the Russian army twice took Berlin in 1760 and in 1945 ..
  47. +2
    13 September 2015 00: 03
    Yeah, how did the territories taken from the neighboring Balkan countries. And nothing that these countries took these lands from Bulgaria, moreover, in a place with Turkey during the second Balkan war, and this despite the fact that together they defeated Turkey during the first Balkan. But the Romanians, before joining the Entente first, sold all their crops to the Triple Alliance, and then demanded that they be supplied with everything the Russian Empire needed.
  48. +2
    13 September 2015 00: 16
    Exactly! good Respect! hi
  49. -1
    13 September 2015 00: 37
    Yes sir! Respect! Yes
  50. +2
    13 September 2015 00: 45
    My grandfather, along with all his 7 brothers, fought in WWI, on the Macedonian front. When the war was declared, he was still a minor. And his brothers go and sign up! We agreed and deceived the commission to increase. Here he entered and he volunteered! When they entered Macedonia, the people were so happy that the streets were sent with flowers! Grandfather told me that he did not see where he was stepping because of the colored "carpet". And those Bulgarian soldiers and officers who were natives of the same Macedonia led their colleagues and showed them where their houses and fields were. The bones of their relatives killed by Serbs a year ago had not yet been buried. Burnt, destroyed houses .... 1913 How then will these soldiers not fight to the last, and how will the Serbs and Greeks not hate after what they have done?
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  52. +1
    13 September 2015 00: 57
    Good conversation guys, sincere, how homely it turned out. Only something was missing, if only someone had poured 100 grams, then they stood wall to wall, waved a couple of times.... Then they hugged and went home. And on good for the soul...
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  53. +2
    13 September 2015 01: 08
    First Balkan War. The Serbian army advances into Macedonia. On October 14, 1912, the Serbian heir to the throne and leader of the Serbian army, Aleksandar Karađorđevich, enters the stone bridge in Prilep. The townspeople greet the Serbian heir to the throne, and local children bring him flowers. Karađorđević asks 7-year-old Vaska Zoicheva - “Pa shta si ti?” (“What are you?”) The girl answers: “Bugarka!” (“Bulgarian!”) The future king is enraged and slaps the child. This is how the “victorious” march of the Serbian and Greek armies takes place throughout Macedonia in 1912-1913.
  54. +2
    13 September 2015 02: 02
    Quote: but still
    I approve. The world should not be unipolar - there must be a balance. But still, I am for the friendly and partnership relations of ALL Europe and Russia, i.e. EU and EAEU.

    For such naive fantasies about the friendship of Russia and the whole of Europe, the Russian Federation paid very dearly in the 90s, and continues to pay now. The last 1,5 years have brought complete clarity, the Russians began to understand this, the events in the Donbass are an indicator.
    1. 0
      17 September 2015 15: 56
      What about V.V. Putin’s famous statement about the zone from Lisbon to Vladivostok? So Merkel, despite all these stories with Ukraine and sanctions, said this spring: “Step by step we are doing everything to get closer to the common economic space - as Vladimir Putin once said - from Vladivostok to Lisbon,” the president was quoted as saying Merkel of Russia." “Speaking about the situation in Ukraine, the Chancellor once again emphasized the importance of compliance by all parties with the Minsk agreements.”
  55. +2
    13 September 2015 07: 55
    Isn't this true? (--) This is a very clear answer when there is nothing to say.
  56. +2
    13 September 2015 09: 41
    There is a lot to be said for and against. But we must judge by deeds. And the facts show that no matter how individual Bulgarians confessed their love to us, they always fought against the Russians. Yes, if I communicate with one or ten Bulgarians, they will tell me. that they love Russia and will not fight against it. But if tomorrow Bulgaria goes to war against us. I will see in the ranks of her troops the same Bulgarians who confessed their love for Russia. People are just like that, they try to survive by any means possible, regardless of how they look in front of others. But it’s okay, soon the Muslims will level them all...
  57. +2
    13 September 2015 11: 09
    I think that all this anti-Bulgarian hysteria is based on purely economic principles, so to speak. Russian tourists decreased by 2-3 times. The fight is merciless for them. They need to be taught that Bulgaria is hostile, that Bulgaria is an enemy, that Russians are hated in Bulgaria. I won't try to convince you otherwise. Read the forums of your own, those who came, those who saw.
    1. +1
      13 September 2015 18: 54
      To paraphrase Gleb Zheglov, “hysteria does not happen without a reason, the fact that this country is in the opposite “trench” will outweigh hundreds of good statements from those who came and who saw it.”
  58. 0
    13 September 2015 12: 09
    No, thank God, only 20%. The other day I spoke with a Muscovite about this issue. This decrease in tourists fits well with unfavorable exchange rates, nothing more. Which irritates them greatly.
    Crimea is also being added - now everyone is rushing to look at it, of course. Some will stay there, of course, and some will return to Bulgaria. The warm sea is good, everyone wants it.
    But I really don't understand what's going on. This can lead to a bad attitude among the Bulgarians towards the Russians, which is terrible madness. Neither the Germans nor the Americans succeeded in this; the only ones who can, in principle, are the Russians themselves. I just don’t understand why they need this.
    Moreover, I have not heard of anyone canceling the will of Catherine II, and in matters of the Black Sea straits there are basically no other allies to come from.
    1. 0
      14 September 2015 04: 03
      In this matter, the Bulgarians have succeeded very well and are doing well themselves. Russians are your brothers only when it is beneficial. But if it’s not profitable, you easily send us away, or even kill us when the opportunity arises.

      These are the brothers...
  59. +2
    13 September 2015 16: 38
    Quote: Alien
    But I really don't understand what's going on. This can lead to a bad attitude among the Bulgarians towards the Russians, which is terrible madness. Neither the Germans nor the Americans succeeded in this; the only ones who can, in principle, are the Russians themselves. I just don’t understand why they need this.

    That's the point! The Americans did not have time to influence the attitude of the Bulgarians towards the Russians, so they began to attack from the other side! If the Russians do not realize what is happening, it will be bad for them and for us too. Only Uncle Sam will be good.
    1. 0
      14 September 2015 04: 07
      We won't feel bad without you. And you are here only because of tourists and the purchase of property in Bulgaria by our rich officials.

      And when it comes to fraternal reciprocity, you join NATO, block South Stream, and don’t let planes through. Or, as the article says, you simply shoot at the “Russian brothers.”

      It’s not for nothing that even under socialism it was customary among the military to call “brotherly countries” bl..s. I served there and observed all the brotherhood with my own eyes.
      1. -1
        17 September 2015 16: 28
        Quote: saenara
        We won't feel bad without you. And you are here only because of tourists and the purchase of property in Bulgaria by our rich officials.


        Why should we “scream” when, despite political events, Russians are buying real estate in Bulgaria, and your pensioners are happy to live with us all year round. And this happens not because of the fraternal feelings of Russians towards the Bulgarians, but because our prices are low, the nature is beautiful, the climate is mild, there are many attractions and the attitude of the Bulgarians towards Russians is friendly. And Russian tourists have indeed declined, but not because of politics, but because of falling oil prices, which led to a fall in the ruble and a decrease in the purchasing power of Russians.
      2. -1
        17 September 2015 16: 38
        Quote: saenara

        It’s not for nothing that even under socialism it was customary among the military to call “brotherly countries” bl.., served there, we observed all the brotherhood with our own eyes.


        Are you the spouse of a military member who served in the Warsaw Pact countries? How is it that your services didn’t eliminate your family for such statements? In order to serve in friendly countries, a strict selection of personnel and their families was carried out.
  60. +2
    15 September 2015 17: 31
    You are confusing two concepts - ACTIONS and CONSEQUENCES! Putting Action before Consequence and then you get Logic. Ksati Logic in Russia's Actions began to appear only under Putin. Gorbachev and Yeltsin acted according to some kind of crazy anti-logic! As a result, Russia and Bulgaria and many other countries and peoples suffered. Fact? 1. It was not us who destroyed the Socialist Commonwealth and the Warsaw Pact Organization. Russia left and the United States entered. Throughout Eastern Europe and a number of countries of the former USSR! In nature, an empty space does not last long. The law is nature! Entry into NATO occurred against the wishes of the Bulgarian people. You have already been told 100 times that there was no REFERENDUM! Apparently you cannot accept any facts that contradict your opinion. 2. 3. and 53... The United States created in Bulgaria / and in all countries where it sets foot / such a control system in which only pro-American forces can rule. And it doesn’t matter that they are 10-15% of society! The system is very clever and effective! Russia needed enormous efforts and good luck to somehow get out from under the similar “umbrella” of Uncle Sam! It’s downright crazy to talk about “the benefit for the Bulgarians to submit to the United States”! The question is not about benefit, but about the impossibility of such a small country as Bulgaria being freed from US protectorate. The forces are incomparable as 1:10000000. I’m tempted to ask - WHAT’S INCOMPLETE FOR YOU HERE??? Most likely the problem is with you personally. Don't be offended, but think carefully.
    1. +1
      16 September 2015 04: 59
      Yes, everything is clear with you, “the Russians are to blame for everything, and the Bulgarians are all in white.” You spit at us, and then you are surprised that - no, they don’t hate you (!) - they don’t consider you brothers.

      And every, every post of yours only confirms this.

      Live happily and get away from us.
      1. -1
        16 September 2015 18: 23
        Quote: saenara
        Live happily and get away from us.


        Wow?! Who brought this to you to “fuck off”?! Who considered Bulgaria as a territory and a means of achieving their goals (the Black Sea and access to the straits)? WHO called Bulgaria “our Trojan horse in the West,” which angered the West, which began putting intense pressure on Bulgaria to prevent Russian influence? We found a whipping boy! Both the West and Russia have made a punching bag out of Bulgaria! WHO is “leaning towards WHO”? And stop speculating on your fraternity, taking advantage of the kind-hearted attitude of the Bulgarians towards the Russians, accusing them of guilt in order to achieve their geopolitical goals! Russia in political games does not do anything to its own detriment, just like Western countries. So, if you want a good relationship - behave well, without harassment, insults and accusations - then you will receive reciprocity.
  61. +2
    16 September 2015 09: 48
    Quote: saenara
    Yes, everything is clear with you, “the Russians are to blame for everything, and the Bulgarians are all in white.” You spit at us, and then you are surprised that - no, they don’t hate you (!) - they don’t consider you brothers.
    And every, every post of yours only confirms this.
    Live happily and get away from us.

    How strange it is that you understand everything! I re-read ALL the comments already 10 times! Where did you see the Bulgarians “spitting” against the Russians??? There is indeed criticism, but it is quite well-intentioned! There are mistakes and blunders in both Russian policy towards Bulgaria and Bulgarian policy towards Russia. No one is all white and fluffy. It all depends on who ruled and when. Quite the contrary, most “Russian” comments are full of spitting against the Bulgarians. According to my personal impressions, this only happens in the virtual space of the Internet. An information war is being waged, the purpose of which is to disgrace our peoples at the everyday level. This will not succeed, no matter how much someone wants... In real life, the situation, fortunately, is completely different. I can say this for sure, since I communicate and be friends personally with hundreds of Russians. Negative things are written in forums, usually by people who have never been to Bulgaria and don’t know anything about Bulgarians. In addition, pro-Pindov trolls have become very active. But their work is so dirty. “Live happily and get away from us” - For some reason everyone got away from you. All former socialist countries, and many countries of the former USSR. Doesn't it seem strange to you? Maybe there were quite a few mistakes in Russian politics, but this was the result? It’s worth thinking about it, and not yelling at everyone “aaah how righteous we are, and everyone else is fools”! So Putin understands and is making great efforts to restore Russia’s influence in the world. He is a great guy and the best statesman in the modern world. And your “reasonings” directly contradict the political line pursued by Putin.
  62. 0
    16 September 2015 19: 45
    Quote: saenara
    Nobody says that Bulgarians are bad. Just do not expect fraternal acts from them. Only pragmatic. And act the same way.

    Although the Georgian USSR was part of the country, we did not consider them a fraternal people. Right? And we are not surprised at anything. But with the Bulgarians it is completely different. Therefore, how not to revive -----people still have their own opinion.
    1. +2
      16 September 2015 22: 00
      Yeah... I'll give up trying to bring to your consciousness what seemed to me to be simple things. For example, that our peoples, as they were and remain, are fraternal. And what, Bulgaria is under external control. And that this management is in no way different from pragmatism (with very rare exceptions), and even less from brotherhood! OK. Time will put everything in its place. Sooner or later, Bulgaria will free itself from the protectorate of the West and will be friends with Russia, as they were friends 50 years ago. I think that this will not only be in the interest of our states, but also responds to the desires of our fraternal peoples. I wish you all the best!
  63. 0
    17 September 2015 20: 05
    Maybe stop confusing the BULGARIANS and the Government of Bulgaria, like the Verkhovna Rada and the people of Ukraine, THE TASK OF ANY GOVERNMENT IS TO BREAK PEOPLES IF THEY ARE TOGETHER, THEY HAVE ONLY ONE CHIEF LEADER, and what should the rest do if they are apart - a bunch of princelings and a shitload of feeders
  64. -1
    20 October 2015 16: 16
    That special warmth for the supposedly “little brothers” in Bulgaria, which we absorbed with mother’s milk, is in fact little based on. On the contrary, the participation of this country in both world wars in coalitions hostile to Russia suggests that only Orthodoxy unites us, and even then conditionally. In today's world, common faith is not a sufficient basis for allied relations. An example of two World Wars.
    As, however, it was before. They say that when in the XIX century our troops passed through the liberated Bulgarian villages, the soldiers had to buy water from local residents in order to get drunk. Bulgarians never felt gratitude for their release - and one should not rebuke them for this. You just need to take note: they - such and others will not. And they do not want to be indebted to us, and do not consider themselves obligated to Russia.

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