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99 years ago, 6 September 1916, the Bulgarian army invaded Romania and attacked Russian troops, who were there in accordance with the Russian-Romanian alliance treaty. Thus, the Bulgarians once again clearly showed that the theses about the "Orthodox brotherhood", "Slavic unity", and indeed about any "brotherly" peoples are only propaganda deception, or - naive and empty dreams.
As soon as the Germans promised Bulgaria for joining the war, solid chunks of the territories of neighboring states were on their side, as Bulgarian “brothers” without remorse attacked their neighbors, and at the same time those who liberated them from the Turkish yoke. And characteristically - attacked together with the Turks. It is equally significant that just four years before, Bulgaria fiercely fought against Turkey, and Russia provided financial, diplomatic and humanitarian assistance to it.

In general, there is no fraternity between nations divided by lines of state borders; they can only have temporary coincidences of interests, or relations characteristic of vassals and overlords. And this also applies to those peoples who previously lived in the same state, but then decided to disperse and dissociate themselves from each other. I think there is no need to cite modern examples.



"Great Bulgaria" within the boundaries of 1917 of the year, with territories seized from Serbia, Romania and Greece. True, she owned these territories for less than two years, and then, as a result of defeat in World War I, lost not only them, but also a significant part of her own pre-war possessions. This was not the first time when, in strict accordance with the well-known saying, greed killed the Bulgarian fraer, but not the last. In World War II история repeated



At the beginning of World War I, the Bulgarian army in uniform and equipment was very similar to the Russian one.



But then she became more like the German.



German pictures with images of the latter-day Bulgarian "helpers."



Bulgarian soldiers in training for overcoming wire obstacles, 1917 year.



Bulgarian tank crews with a formidable a tank own manufacture.



Bulgarian King Ferdinand and the German Kaiser Wilhelm take the parade of the Bulgarian troops.



The German postcard with a picture of a Bulgarian, entertaining by singing and playing his "brothers on arms"- Turk, Austrian and German.





Two more German propaganda postcards dedicated to the Austro-German-Turkish-Bulgarian military alliance.
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  1. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 12 September 2015 05: 58 New
    +33
    ... there is no brotherhood between nations divided by lines of state borders, they can only have temporary coincidences of interests, or relations.
    Yeah! What once again proves that the Army and Navy of their country are the best allies. And about the Bulgarians ...
    Being a boy is a matter of gender. Being a man is a matter of age. Being a gentleman is a matter of choice. Being mu @ ak is not a question at all.
    1. andrei.yandex
      andrei.yandex 12 September 2015 08: 53 New
      +16
      An Inconvenient Story: Bulgarians vs. Russians?
      Inconvenient story: When did you come up with a pagan god?
    2. War and Peace
      War and Peace 12 September 2015 09: 01 New
      -15
      what arrogations, right from everywhere are pouring in, "BULGARIAN-ENEMIES, SLAVAN OF THE ENEMIES".
      In the 19th century, before leaving the Turkish Empire, the Bulgarian people were really enslaved and did not have the opportunity to develop their own culture and were slaves for the Turks in every sense, why did the Russian Empire start this war leading to the creation of the state of Bulgaria? For the Russian people, it was a liberation war, but for the Romanovs, I think, in order to put their German ruler at the head of the state. And so a new Slavic state appeared with the German rulers.
      That is why this state behaved so aggressively and in politics always adhering not to Slavic, but German interests in Europe. But this is the modern pressure on the consciousness of the Russian people, that it is the Bulgarian people who are traitors, then this is the goal of these “Vyacheslav Kondratyevs” to completely disunite the Slavic peoples, just as the “Ukrainian” and Russian peoples have disagreed. Why is this being done? The question is clearly far-fetched - there is a war against the Russian people and is especially noticeable in the information field ...
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 12 September 2015 11: 36 New
        +30
        Quote: war and peace
        Why is this being done? The question is clearly contrived

        But how could you think up something here. Events speak for themselves - when the Bulgarians had a choice, they always did it strictly against Russia and strictly for its enemies. You can certainly not pay attention to life and indulge in illusions and sweet dreams, or you can carefully get off the rake and do something more interesting.
        For example, see how others live. England - has no fraternal peoples, considers various Scots and Irish m .. mi and with pleasure spread rot for a thousand years. Does it prevent England from being a great country, and its population living well? -No. America, has no fraternal peoples, surrounding, different Canadians with the Meccans considers m..mi and with pleasure uses for their own purposes, it prevents the country and citizens from living well and long - no. Wherever you spit, the brotherly people except Russia have only Germany - the Austrians, it helps Germany to be a great country - and, oh my God, as soon as they unite, they immediately dig out the wort, it’s scary to see. So is Russia, as soon as the Kremlin begins the horror campaign for fraternal people, we immediately have either a muzzle in the blood, or a nabibulin ruble drops out of the blue, or some other misfortune.
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 12 September 2015 12: 14 New
          -4
          Quote: chunga-changa
          Yes, as it were, cho


          the impression is that you could only read this, I see here, I don’t see here, it’s not the whole thing ...
          1. chunga-changa
            chunga-changa 12 September 2015 12: 52 New
            +34
            I just didn’t want to completely copy-paste. As for the rest. Another tricky plan - "the people did not want, the Bulgarian king wanted the king against the wall to kiss with the people." Who fought? Did the "German Tsar" run into attacks himself, or was 500.000 army brought from Mars? And paired with terrible Turks, these are approx. 500.000 ordinary Bulgarian people surrounding the "brothers Slavs" quite successfully and with pleasure genocide. The situation was reproduced in the Second World War, i.e. it was not an accident and not a mistake, but a normal and consistent process. Different generations of the Bulgarian people, in large numbers, in hundreds of thousands, fought with the surrounding Slavs, including and with Russia - on the side of the enemy. T.ch. about "the people did not want", "the brotherhood of the Slavs" and the "German king" is for you to schoolchildren, they have no mind, they believe everything. Now, by the way, the situation is repeating, the Bulgarians in NATO forbid the flight of aircraft and if the war starts, they will again be in the army of enemies. When the occupying Bulgarian troops will be in your city, go to them and push them about the friendship of peoples, they will laugh.
            1. War and Peace
              War and Peace 12 September 2015 15: 46 New
              -11
              Quote: chunga-changa
              Different generations of the Bulgarian people, in large numbers, in hundreds of thousands, fought with the surrounding Slavs, including and with Russia


              what are "different generations"? Bulgarians fought against the Russians only in the 1st World War, in the second they did not fight the USSR ...
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 12 September 2015 17: 33 New
                +13
                They were only allies of Hitler, and each Bulgarian soldier on other fronts is a German soldier near Moscow or Stalingrad.
                1. Babr
                  Babr 12 September 2015 18: 12 New
                  -8
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  They were only allies of Hitler, and each Bulgarian soldier on other fronts is a German soldier near Moscow or Stalingrad.

                  But you forget (or do not want to understand this) that, people have nothing to do with it.
                  Even the yellow media cannot find the atrocities of the Bulgarians in Russia.
                  And if they had found, then they would have tried !!!
                  What about the article? You do not notice that these articles, (of that kind) are more and more in VO? From this I draw a conclusion.
                  Someone really wants to destroy the Russian World.
                  I do not show a finger.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 12 September 2015 18: 38 New
                    +12
                    Quote: Babr
                    Someone really wants to destroy the Russian World

                    Bulgarians are not Russian. The Slavs - yes, but we had no common peace.
                    1. Babr
                      Babr 12 September 2015 19: 16 New
                      -6
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: Babr
                      Someone really wants to destroy the Russian World

                      Bulgarians are not Russian. The Slavs - yes, but we had no common peace.

                      Who knows? After all, we know from Toria. Take a look deeper. There is also an alternative story.
                      Or maybe there is truth?
                      I dont know. And you?
                    2. Konsov02
                      Konsov02 12 September 2015 22: 12 New
                      0
                      Aggressive illiteracy or good troll?
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 12 September 2015 22: 44 New
                        +3
                        Well, when the Bulgarians were Russian, enlighten?
              2. 97110
                97110 12 September 2015 19: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: war and peace
                the second did not fight with the USSR ...

                If you do not have information, this does not mean that it does not exist at all. Leave these Bulgarians with their nat. Here, how to fight off the Ukro-Americans is an urgent issue. Their president, with the full enthusiasm of the "fraternal" people, promised to take Moscow to himself. A little while later, you will have to get another loan. But our trenches are not dug, divisions of the militia have not been created, there is no hope for communists. Work for 8 years. Here we beat off from ukroameri Americans, talk about the Bulgarians.
      2. pytar
        pytar 12 September 2015 12: 48 New
        +23
        hi The last 3-5 days there are some strange events in RuNet. Materials with anti-Bulgarian content in Russian-language resources, a lion! The score is about 4 times larger than usual! Articles are illiterate in their majority and clearly custom-made. Digging out everything that is possible and everything in the negative aspect! A flurry of the same type of curse under the guise of "comments"! Majorities, absolutely identical and even grammatical mistakes in the same places! Designed by very simple principles. For example, the difference between the actions of the Bulgarian authorities and the attitude of the Bulgarian people is deliberately not made! It is not said about the positive that there is, and it is much more than negative! Obvious facts are denied, which are replaced with cliches or the facts themselves are pulled from the context of events. Don't you find it strange? The reason for the attack was the refusal of the bg-authority to allow flights to Syria. Of course, in Bulgaria we do not approve of such a criminal decision of the "Bulgarian" government! Critics are quite logical, but there has still not been such an intensity of anti-Bulgarian hysteria in Russian-language sites! As we understand, the instructions given to American trolls will intensify in this direction too! They didn’t have time to set the Bulgarian people against the Russians, but they are trying to "rebound effect". Anti-Bulgarian propaganda is being launched through Russian sites in the expectation that Bulgarian consumers visiting them will start responding in the same way! Hatred should be provoked at the household level, as in the example of zombie ukrov. I must admit that a lot of Bulgarians know Russian and are consumers of Russian network resources. The trolls that work for Uncle Sema simply take and copy “your statements” in the Bulgarian forums! Poke them in the eyes of people and say, “Here you are who the Russians are and what kind of people they are!” In the Bulgarian Internet resources there is a real informational moment war! Ordinary crawlers against pro-American trolls. A very clear separation and no difficulty makes it clear who is who! I can tell you for sure that in no other eastern European country, there is such a level of pro-Russian sentiment as It’s visible from Washington that informational fighters kicked in from Washington to try to change it into their own crawls. They’re trying to create a virtual ring of enemies around Russia! In reality, Russia has more friends than it looks when you hear Western propaganda! It’s because that every day the friends of Russia are becoming more and more, such a frantic information war is being fanned! Everyone is against everyone, and “Russians are enemies to everyone!” Don’t be bothered by the propaganda of enemies! They and our enemies! And our common enemy is very insidious, you will not say anything!
        1. Shishiga
          Shishiga 12 September 2015 13: 12 New
          +19
          They poke them in the eyes of people and say - "here you are who are the Russians and what kind of people they are!" In the Bulgarian Internet resources themselves in the moment there is a real information war!


          And it seems to me that what you are currently observing and why you are so “genuinely” indignant is a response wave and reaction to the content of the writings of some of your Bulgarian Internet commentators and writers in our direction and about our country.
          You have been striving for this for a long time, you have been trying for a long time to prove that our country is not the same, the history is not that and the population is not right - now do not blame yourself, the answer has gone.
          We ceased to be shy of our common Soviet past, fucked idiocy about fraternity and began to answer in full - interest rushed, it was time to give.
          1. pytar
            pytar 12 September 2015 18: 26 New
            +7
            According to some data published in RuNet, more than 70% of comments on networks are submitted by "information fighters", popular as "trolls". Mashchab information war and misinformation, rolls over! It becomes really difficult to find where the truth is, where the lie. Formed "public opinion" in the direction desired by customers. You probably understand that this happens not only in RuNet, but also in almost all Internet resources, including Bulgarian ones. Ksati in many sites in the Bulgarian language, erase pro-Russian comments and ban their authors. It is known that 80% of all Internet resources in the Bulgarian language, foreign owners ... The story is the same with the media. On our and on your sites, the source of the negative ejection is the same. Washington! Why do I think that guys from Washington stand behind everything? Yes, because only they have the benefit of worsening relations between peoples and states. The states are thwarted, through their fifth pillars and through provocations, and the nations are trying to quarrel at the household level, through the emission of all negative. The principle of such work is elementary. I will give such an illustration: Two neighbors. Comes to the first quartal gossip. Tells him - your neighbor spoke badly of you. Then he comes to a neighbor - He tells him the same thing. You start looking askance with a neighbor and attack each other. Gossip girl, teases you from time to time. The process is running and it is very difficult to stop it. In times of contention, only bandits are good! World Bandit UTB USA!
            1. andj61
              andj61 12 September 2015 18: 38 New
              +3
              Quote: pytar
              The process is running and it is very difficult to stop it. In times of contention, only bandits are good! World Bandit UTB USA!

              good + 100500!!!
            2. but still
              but still 13 September 2015 03: 21 New
              0
              Quote: pytar
              Ksati in many sites in the Bulgarian language, erase pro-Russian comments and ban their authors. It is known that 80% of all Internet resources in the Bulgarian language, foreign owners ...


              Yah! What are these sites? The fact that information with a certain bias is also fed there is true. But you can freely comment - write about anyone and anything - everything passes. By the way, at point bg comments and pluses are some Russophile. The ratio of the so-called sorosoids to Russophiles there is approximately one in ten.
              1. pytar
                pytar 14 September 2015 10: 31 New
                +2
                For example in Vesti.bg. There simply, administrators censored. Many consumers reported being banned for their pro-Russian statements. For the same reason, I was banned and censored dozens of times. As far as I know, this popular Novar site is owned by the same owners, whose email address is 1 on the Bulgarian Internet - abv.bg.
            3. saenara
              saenara 13 September 2015 09: 38 New
              +2
              And how do you order to separate the actions of the authorities from the people, if you choose these authorities? Or do you have a "dictatorship" too?
              1. lexx_sv
                lexx_sv 17 September 2015 19: 52 New
                0
                Kamrad, are you a schoolboy, troll or provocateur?

                You do not know how the system of democratic elections in the conditions of the dictatorship of capital?
        2. Railway
          Railway 12 September 2015 14: 44 New
          +20
          And what magic way did you get into NATO? Against whom did you want to have protection? Turkey is your NATO ally. The NATO bloc was created in opposition to the Warsaw Pact, in which Bulgaria did not feel bad. Or not? The behavior of your elite in Russian is called betrayal !!
          1. War and Peace
            War and Peace 12 September 2015 15: 00 New
            -5
            Quote: Railway
            The knowledge of your elite in Russian is called betrayal !!


            what is this betrayal? then Poland, and the Czech Republic, and Slovakia, and all the rest-all betrayed? -This is not a betrayal -this is following your own interests, that is. the interests of the ruling elites of the countries, well, while the peoples are busy with their own business, they meekly work for a penny and survive as they can ...
          2. AlexVas44
            AlexVas44 12 September 2015 18: 28 New
            +9
            Quote: Railway
            The NATO bloc was created in opposition to the Warsaw Pact,


            And here it is necessary to be precisely expressed. ATS was created 6 years after NATO, so we are not the counterweight ... stop
          3. user1212
            user1212 14 September 2015 05: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Railway
            And what magic way did you get into NATO? Against whom did you want to have protection? Turkey is your NATO ally. The NATO bloc was created in opposition to the Warsaw Pact, in which Bulgaria did not feel bad. Or not? The behavior of your elite in Russian is called betrayal !!

            Do not confuse the story. The creation of the ATS was a response to the accession of Germany to NATO.
        3. avt
          avt 12 September 2015 15: 46 New
          +18
          Quote: pytar
          Do not fall for the propaganda of enemies!

          request ,, By their deeds you will know them "
          Quote: pytar
          They and our enemies!

          Well, what does the leadership of Bulgaria do for its country, it would seem, no enemies are needed, and propaganda is also enough, it’s enough that almost with their own hands the Bulgarians are freeing the country from themselves, at such a rate that if suddenly, by chance, somehow, someone in Russia if he wants to repeat the affairs of Emperor Alexander II, then it will be a direct war with the Turks over Turkish territory, which may retain the name - Bulgaria, but with the FULL PHYSICAL ABSENCE of the Bulgarians as a people in general. Now, maybe the Bulgarians will reflect on the policies of Todor Zhivkov, who forced ethnic Turks accept Bulgarian names and surnames, do you think he did it drunk? But now, with the efforts of the Bulgarians themselves, a situation has developed in relations with Russia that it fully fits into the wording of Emperor Alexander III, the war prince, “All the balkans are not worth the life of a Russian soldier.” Well, we cannot in fact be big Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks than the Bulgarians themselves, Serbs, Greeks. Yes, and NATO countries. So you guys got there in the Balkans in pursuit of European happiness for the most .... Yes, here also the Ukrainians are catching up with you and even overtaking - they started such a war that will hiccup for a long time.
          1. nedgen
            nedgen 12 September 2015 23: 44 New
            +7
            Avt, I completely agree with you. Our own Bulgarian politicians are now the worst enemies of the Bulgarian people, but others are simply not allowed to vote. After all, it is precisely in the ethos that modern democracy is expressed: whoever pays and steers.
        4. War and Peace
          War and Peace 12 September 2015 16: 26 New
          -8
          Quote: pytar
          The last 3-5 days there are some strange events in RuNet. Materials with anti-Bulgarian content in Russian-language resources, a lion! The score is about 4 times bigger than usual! Articles are illiterate in their majority and clearly custom-made. Digging out everything that is possible and everything in the negative aspect! A flurry of the same type of curse under the guise of "comments"! Majorities, absolutely identical and even grammatical mistakes in the same places!


          there is another point, all this anti-Bulgarian hysteria goes almost according to ONE RULE - they recall that the Bulgarians were not for Russia in the wars and EVERYTHING. And hollow and hollow one and the same manner, I think that the administrative resource of the site is used, "as it should." A very suitable time for srach because the rulers of the "Bulgarian" ruin Russia as they can, but they are the same "Bulgarians" - these rulers, like the "Russians" - Russian rulers laughing
          1. victor
            victor 12 September 2015 16: 55 New
            +8
            When the Bulgarians were for Russia ??? Examples.
          2. pytar
            pytar 12 September 2015 18: 35 New
            +4
            Precisely said! In 10-ku! hi Such a massive troll attack was not, as it seems to me ever before! For all resources! The same thing! Here is the proof that the Russians and Bulgarians are fraternal peoples! Otherwise, pendusiki would not have thrown such a huge resource in that direction! Yeti know that it is already difficult to keep the Bulgarian people in enmity with Russia!
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        6. Konsov02
          Konsov02 12 September 2015 16: 48 New
          +6
          Everything is very clear and precise. I’ll only add that Bulgaria from the mid-90s has been fully occupied by the country. This status is guaranteed by the multi-edged Sorovskys and similar NGOs.
          1. victor
            victor 12 September 2015 17: 16 New
            +8
            Well, yes ??? This is the result of a war ??? Or, just like mine, in Ukraine, 80% for the occupation and the ruling ... I have the ode of a nation that has nothing in common with the Ukrainians, I don’t know. BUT! MOST! I repeat - the majority !!! HAS YOUR POPULATION BEEN SUPPORTED THE OCCUPATION ??? Or not? Or just believed, as in 1916, as in 1941 - that it would be better against the Russians than for? By the way, as in 1991 and in 2015 - when 3,14ndos ordered and only 10% were indignant in the kitchens. Again, stsuka, the Russians are to blame - for the Bulgarians do not like the fact that the Russians do not want to repair the MIGs with which the Bulgarians are going to bring down RUSSIAN Sushi ... I’m directly dying of precision ...
            1. Konsov02
              Konsov02 12 September 2015 22: 16 New
              +2
              Very young and hot. When you are wiser. This is the young man's betrayal.
            2. nedgen
              nedgen 12 September 2015 23: 50 New
              +8
              Sorry Victor, but you’ve probably never been to Bulgaria. NOBODY AND NEVER In Bulgaria did not raise the issue of joining NATO and the EU for a referendum. And about the introduction of the currency board i.e. in fact, the external financial management did not even think to question public opinion. And about the occupation. Now in the territory of Bulgaria there are more NATO troops than the entire Bulgarian army. And if this is not an occupation? Firstly, they manage finances from the outside, and secondly, there are more foreign troops than their own army. Here you have the occupation. Although without a war.
              1. saenara
                saenara 13 September 2015 09: 42 New
                +2
                And in the elections, all of Bulgaria, as one, voted against the current authorities. But - scoundrels - the results were completely falsified. So what?
              2. opus
                opus 16 September 2015 01: 49 New
                0
                Quote: nedgen
                NOBODY AND NEVER In Bulgaria raised the issue of joining NATO and the EU for a referendum

                And this was not required by the laws of Bulgaria
                1.NATO: 17 February 1997 People's Assembly Bulgaria almost unanimously decided to join the Alliance. Joining NATO at that time supported 20% of the population of Bulgaria.
                2. On the first of 2007 of the year Bulgaria entered the EEC
                Illuminations were arranged in Sofia: spotlights mounted on the Orthodox Cathedral, Armenian Church, synagogue and mosque illuminated the night sky.


                In the central square of the city, thousands of people rejoiced and hugged each other, waiting for the last blow of the chimes.


                3. For the issue of holding a referendum to be considered in Bulgaria, you need to collect either the signatures of 60 Bulgarian deputies or the signatures of 300 of thousands of people in the country.
      3. Yars
        Yars 12 September 2015 13: 10 New
        +14
        99 years ago, 6 September 1916, the Bulgarian army invaded Romania and attacked Russian troops, who were there in accordance with the Russian-Romanian alliance treaty

        This conviction does not quite correspond to reality, since - “August 27, after long hesitations on the side of the Entente, Romania entered the war, declaring war on Austria-Hungary. In response, the Central bloc countries declared war on Romania, including Bulgaria (September 1 1916 of the year).

        Immediately after this, the Romanian army launched an offensive in Transylvania against the Austro-Hungarian forces. In response to this, the command of the Central Powers developed a plan for the defeat of the Romanian army and the occupation of Romania. A strike from Bulgaria was planned, for which the Danube army was formed under the command of German Field Marshal Mackensen. It consisted of German, Bulgarian and Turkish divisions. The main objective of the Danube army was to strike at the Romanian troops in Dobruja. In addition, the 3-I Bulgarian army was in Dobruja. Also, German and Austro-Hungarian troops launched an offensive from Transylvania, suspending offensive operations in Romania.

        The Danube army crossed the Bulgarian-Romanian border, invaded Romania. For the defense of Dobrudja, the command of the Entente allocated 15 Romanian divisions and the 47 Corps of the Russian army. "

        historical facts of course can not be challenged. But after reading the article, one gets the impression of a “customized article”, the purpose of which is to overgrow the nations, and here it does not matter whether the fraternal or non-fraternal peoples. After all, unfortunately, the common people have no influence on power and, unfortunately, in Bulgaria, people who have been paid by Western structures seize power, and so it was in World War II now! The current government also came after the so-called "color revolution", which is known to be paid for and controlled from outside and all the current media are dancing to the western tune.
        1. Babr
          Babr 12 September 2015 17: 27 New
          0
          Quote: YARS
          But after reading the article, one gets the impression of a "custom article", the purpose of which is to overwhelm peoples, and here it does not matter whether fraternal or non-fraternal peoples. Indeed, unfortunately the common people have no influence on the authorities, and unfortunately in Bulgaria people are seized by the authorities paid for by Western structures, and this was the case in the Second World War by now! The current government also came after the so-called "color revolution", which are known to be paid and managed from the outside and all current media are dancing to the tune of the West.

          Not a judge ... but a great shot! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! hi
      4. nnz226
        nnz226 12 September 2015 15: 53 New
        +12
        "The war was liberating" - whom did Russian soldiers release ?! Russia? Not at all! Bulgarian! And where is the gratitude? Russians shed blood for the liberation of whom they want, but where are all those who are liberated? In the camp of the Americans (NATO, the EU), who didn’t hit a finger in the cause of liberation and didn’t shed blood ... So it’s enough to “liberate, save”, etc.?!
        1. TT1968
          TT1968 12 September 2015 18: 17 New
          0
          "... the Russians shed blood for the liberation of whom they want, but where are all the liberated? In the camp of the Americans (NATO, EU) ..."
          And you do not talk about this fact ??? Maybe there is a share of guilt and the Russian rulers themselves ???
          Note: Not PEOPLE, but - GOVERNORS !!!!!
          1. pytar
            pytar 12 September 2015 18: 58 New
            +2
            TT 1968 - You won’t convince trolls. They do not want to know! And in general, stats like this, they write by order to a certain audience. Ordinary consumers who are not familiar with historical events and who can be influenced. Here they take and write, some kind of moron staty, like etoy! Then begins the production of template comments in the spirit of the same article! Hundreds, if not thousands. Create an illusion for masking and unanimity! Well, it's the same professional! After all, recently in Washington, they said that the United States was losing the information war with Russia! They gave a kick to their dogs and now they “work” from foam to mouth! Despite their professional background, they have many weaknesses! They don’t have imagination and the same stamped postulates march along. They can be recognized! Always put insulting words and curses! They usually expose formal facts taken out of the context of an event, and often change places of events in time. Their greatest, greatest weakness, is that THEIR MATTER IS WRONG! They don’t have a soul, as they say! No wonder they look so much like Robots! And all this rush dictated by the fact that the USA has little time !!! They act nervously like a criminal, for whom the police are already walking! bully
      5. Babr
        Babr 12 September 2015 16: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: war and peace
        The question is clearly far-fetched - there is a war against the Russian people and is especially noticeable in the information field ...

        I fully support.
        And those who are farther than their nose and do not try to peep will pass.
        This applies to Belarus and even Ukraine. If in Ukraine wound up, artificially grown Bandera, then all of Ukraine, Bandera.
        If in Belarus sympathizers for Bandera appear, then Belarusians go the wrong way. So do the Bulgarians, Poles, and ... generally Slavic peoples.
        We got a duck like that, "Politics is a dirty business, don't do it."
        And the people do not deal with it. It works, plows.
        But when the showdown begins, it turns out that the people are to blame, although he is not with the bows.
        So in the article, it’s not the politicians who are to blame, but the people (I didn’t see a single politician’s name)

        "Bulgaria invaded" Mean all the Bulgarian people "guno", as conceived by the author.
        1. perm23
          perm23 12 September 2015 17: 56 New
          +8
          But Bandera and traitors, they are not people. The people are also to blame for allowing this
          1. Babr
            Babr 12 September 2015 19: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: perm23
            But Bandera and traitors, they are not people. The people are also to blame for allowing this

            So, I was waiting for exactly what such a question would arise.
            90s, I am a simple hard worker. Home, work. There are no other interests.
            And suddenly, fuck-bang, perestroika.
            What could I contrast this with?
            Never mind.
            We weren’t taught that there is this

            You see, you will understand a lot
        2. saenara
          saenara 13 September 2015 09: 46 New
          0
          And what, only the government invaded? All the people and their army stood aside and were indignant?
    3. Talgat
      Talgat 12 September 2015 09: 03 New
      +11
      Quote: s.melioxin
      once again proves that the Army and Navy of their country are the best allies

      I disagree - this is an isolationist policy

      Allies and Alliances Always Need

      You just need to understand who your natural allies are and who are possible temporary partners and who are historical opponents

      We must understand, as I have repeatedly written, that the ideas of "Slavic brotherhood" or "pan-Turkism" have no real basis and can only be used in the short term to achieve opportunistic goals (for example, to strengthen the Warsaw Pact - such as Bulgarians and Russian brothers, or promote Turkey to the place of Russia in Central Asia and Kazakhstan - such as pan-Turkism, etc.)

      The real basis is described by geopolitics - from world stars such as Mack Kinder and ending with Gumilev - but everyone is talking about the same thing. There are several civilizations: the West - the sea, the Eurasian world - land, China (also the sea by the way), etc.

      And it turns out not the Bulgarian and not the Serb and not the Orthodox Greek closest ally to the Russian people - but the peoples of the Golden Horde, who grew up in it with the Russians, in tsarist Russia (the heiress of the Golden Horde) they were "foreigners" and even enjoyed privileges and did not were offended, it must be admitted, the USSR continued the tradition of abandoning the colonial western model and also created an equal hostel for all the peoples of Eurasia

      And such a policy is natural - it has always been since the time of the Great Steppe and Attilla - and as a result during the aggression from the west, all the peoples of Eurasia stood up together and always, to the great surprise of Europe, it was defeated - although their "GDP was always greater" always - but it’s not in technology and not in GDP

      The Eurasian peoples are not even allies - they are one with the Russian people - therefore, “liberal Russian nationalism” is dangerous - like, let’s close ourselves in the framework of the “gold ring” -

      And there are also allies - this is a more external concept - China, Iran, Latinos ALBA and Argentina, Vietnam, possibly countries like Algeria India South Africa Brazil and now Pakistan, etc.
      1. Shishiga
        Shishiga 12 September 2015 13: 15 New
        +1
        once again proves that the Army and Navy of their country are the best allies


        I disagree - this is an isolationist policy

        Allies and Alliances Always Need

        You just need to understand who your natural allies are and who are possible temporary partners and who are historical opponents


        Do not confuse allies and partners
      2. andrei.yandex
        andrei.yandex 12 September 2015 13: 48 New
        +7
        The army and navy are of course allies, but depending on when. Unfortunately, they did not save both the collapse of the Russian Empire and the collapse of the USSR.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 12 September 2015 14: 04 New
          +15
          Oh, just do not "about the people", but. I've seen enough of how, this "simple people" in Bulgaria just licks assholes from the Germans and other EU-Soviets. I was at a hotel in Varna, so none of the staff paid any attention to us Russians, they didn’t change the towels, they didn’t clean the room, they just made the bed, etc. But the Fritz there simply didn’t know how to please, they were too curious about everything, maybe gentlemen need it or this. Already disgusting. It’s the same in restaurants and in live communication, as they learn that we Russians immediately make a muzzle with a brick and begin to poke something there about Ukraine, about how we deprived them of profitable trade and a pipeline with gas. Yeah. Only one Bulgarian, honestly, said honestly: “And what do you want, we are those who are richer and who are more profitable to be friends with, and now to be friends with Russia is not profitable ...”
          1. War and Peace
            War and Peace 12 September 2015 15: 03 New
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            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Oh, just do not "about the people", but. I've seen enough of how, this "simple people" in Bulgaria just licks assholes from the Germans and other EU-Soviets. I was at a hotel in Varna, so none of the staff paid any attention to us Russians, they didn’t change the towels, they didn’t clean the room, they just made the bed, etc. But the Fritz there simply didn’t know how to please, they were too curious about everything, maybe gentlemen need it or this. Already disgusting. It’s the same in restaurants and in live communication, as they learn that we Russians immediately make a muzzle with a brick and begin to poke something there about Ukraine, about how we deprived them of profitable trade and a pipeline with gas. Yeah. Only one Bulgarian, honestly, said honestly: “And what do you want, we are those who are richer and who are more profitable to be friends with, and now to be friends with Russia is not profitable ...”



            are you lying, in hotels you don’t pat on your head for not fulfilling your duties and doesn’t it depend on your nationality, or didn’t you pay money?
          2. pytar
            pytar 13 September 2015 01: 21 New
            +5
            Monster, lied totally! I can say that every year I receive guests from Russia. None of them left with a bad impression and always want to come dreamy and sleepy! For your information, in Bulgaria have already acquired real estate and live more than 330 thousand. Russian! UTB, something you have to say! When you decide again, “speak out”, get better prepared.
            1. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat 13 September 2015 08: 03 New
              +1
              "Russians", you say, they live there ... 330 thousand ... No, not Russians, then "cosmopolitans" - without clan and tribe, their slogan "the fish lives, where it’s deeper, and the man-where it's better". Found the "Russians", yeah.
              1. The stranger
                The stranger 13 September 2015 10: 59 New
                -1
                Do you know them? How is the story? :)) Is that all traitors? Those who know themselves, something like the rootless Ivanovs who do not remember kinship are not like ...
                People are like people. In the summer, their truth is more than 300 thousand. They have their own apartments here, they spend their holidays, they give their apartments to their friends as well. In winter - more elderly people with diseases. Most of them hide here from winter, who are shown a milder climate, or use different balneological procedures. And in the summer they often leave for Russia to do local affairs.
                1. Monster_Fat
                  Monster_Fat 13 September 2015 13: 37 New
                  +4
                  Oh come on. Something my parents could not save for a “flat” or “house” in Bulgaria, obviously they worked “poorly”, or maybe they lived on the principle: “where I was born, it worked out there.” And they did not prepare “alternate airdromes” in a foreign land, for they did not consider it necessary, for they always thought that everything with the Motherland should be transferred: both good and bad. I did not believe and I will not believe the "patriots" with the "alternate airfields" abroad, I will always consider them as pravokators and traitors.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 13 September 2015 16: 06 New
                    +2
                    What are the "emergency aerodromes" ??? By your logic, patriots are only those who sit in Russia and do not go out with a hut? Russians buy apartments and settle in Bulgaria for several reasons. 1. In Bulgaria, everything is cheaper than in Russia, except gasoline, gas and current. 2. The climate is good and vocal. Many coming here get rid of the disease from which they suffered for many years. 3. There is no language barrier and there are no big cultural differences. Russians and Bulgarians get along easily. We do not consider Russian strangers. 4. Bulgaria has a very beautiful nature and a large concentration of attractions. All on the "one hand distance". 5. There are very many displaced marriages. Bulgarians with Russians create strong families that, according to statistics, are divorced 10 less often than those in Russia. 6. Russians have been living in Bulgaria for a long time. Russian emigrants came back with the revolution. 7. In general, Russians like Bulgaria in Bulgaria! ... much more, but I think that's enough. Russians, for whom all these arguments were decisive, all provocateurs and traitors ??? Is her head ok ???
              2. TT62
                TT62 13 September 2015 13: 32 New
                0
                Absolutely in the hole!
              3. pytar
                pytar 13 September 2015 16: 21 New
                +1
                Ksati, I have a question for you, Monster! Russians buy real estate and also live in Serbia, and in Montenegro, and in Greece! They, in your opinion, also fall into the category of "traitors, cosmopolitans without a clan without a tribe," like those Russians living in Bulgaria ?????? Or is it a different category?
                1. Monster_Fat
                  Monster_Fat 13 September 2015 18: 36 New
                  +1
                  Of course, the same cosmopolitans, no difference.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 13 September 2015 19: 43 New
                    +2
                    It is unlikely that you would have so boldly told them if you had personally sat in front of them. Would get "health difficulties." People like you are very brave when you sit at a computer. And in real life, you live differently.
      3. avt
        avt 12 September 2015 15: 32 New
        +5
        Quote: Talgat
        I disagree - this is an isolationist policy

        Yah ?? And for me it’s the very thing that you can eat real, open to the whole World, and even contributing to general prosperity. But when in Russia with these two everything is in order, then the second half of the emperor’s expression -, all the rest will fall upon us as soon as possible "as it does not come true and the same Europe is waiting for the Russian Tsar to fish, in the literal sense.
        Quote: Talgat
        Allies and Alliances Always Need

        Allies and alliances are completely different things.
        Quote: Talgat
        You just need to understand who your natural allies are.

        Army and Navy.
        Quote: Talgat
        and who are possible temporary partners and who are historical opponents

        Actually, all the others smoothly flowing from enemies to partners and vice versa, depending on the state of the two main Russian allies - the army and navy and their own interests.
        Quote: Talgat
        We must understand, as I have repeatedly written, that the ideas of "Slavic brotherhood" or "pan-Turkism" do not have a real basis

        I really wrote and clashed with yours and, in particular, with Marek Rozny. Throw off your reference, otherwise you have never heard of this from Kazakhstan.
        Quote: Talgat
        The Eurasian peoples are not even allies - they are one with the Russian people - therefore, “liberal Russian nationalism” is dangerous - like, let’s close ourselves in the framework of the “gold ring” -

        laughing laughing But do you want to add local and former Soviet republics to ,, liberal Russian "nationalism ??? Nothing that Russia is not built on a national basis, unlike ALL newly created states from the Union republics of the USSR? It is the" elite "of the new states that spins nationalism and contrasting the common past, exposing it as the continuous oppression of the national suburbs "in the" prison of peoples "in the interests of maintaining personal power. Dignified students of all possible universities of Marxism-Leninism and school desks - clearly memorized the wording Lenin threw about the Empire in pursuit of the world revolution.
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          1. avt
            avt 12 September 2015 18: 52 New
            +5
            Quote: Semurg
            New Kazakh Ompertsa

            A-I-I-st! As from one word, the empire contorts that? laughing In vain they called him imperial, Talgat still didn’t understand what he wanted, perhaps except one -
            Quote: Semurg
            about equal union with the great.
            Well here yes - there can be no equality between different quantities - a mathematical fact. Gumilev will not help here. But the medical fact is that the Russian Empire / USSR, although not perfect, adhered to the principle that “there is neither Greek nor Jewish”, of course, in a truncated version and with a settled line and with a column in the questionnaire, not nationality, but religion "in the Empire and ,, nationality" in the USSR. Again, the fact that the Russian Empire was created in symbiosis with the Horde is also a medical fact, as well as the fact that the principality of Moscow in this symbiosis, which does not exclude bloody war and mutual massacre, replayed and Tver, and the Chernihiv branch of the Rurikovich, and even the imperial project of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, started quite successfully.
            Quote: Talgat
            and the peoples of the Golden Horde, who grew up with the Russians in it, in tsarist Russia (heiress of the Golden Horde) they were "foreigners" and enjoyed even privileges and were not offended at all, admittedly, the USSR continued the tradition of abandoning the colonial Western model and also created equal residence of all the peoples of Eurasia
            Naturally with costs and not ideally, but also a fact - actually even formed the elite. Both at court, and cultural and scientific in all forms. However, everything fell apart again on small-town nationalism, which, after the collapse of the USSR, was covered by the local power of the "elite" on a chopped ulus, cultivating the antiquity and greatness of the nation, which is quite well supported by the "universal people" not wanting to suddenly lose the empire No. 1 gained in the World. Ukraine is the clearest example of this, it simply ruined its starting capabilities, inherited from the collapsed USSR, and they were better in comparison with other nationalities, solely because of animalistic nationalism.
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      4. victor
        victor 12 September 2015 17: 27 New
        +2
        Dear Russophobe Churchill, remember - England has no friends (brothers, sisters, nephews) and permanent allies - only temporary. Not entirely from the source, but explain << one whole >> to Georgians, gangs, Galicians, Kazakhs (by the way, the new nation, only a few decades older than the nation of dill) ...
        1. avt
          avt 12 September 2015 17: 51 New
          +6
          Quote: victor
          , Russophobe Churchill remember

          And I’m missing Alexander III, especially since, as he said, this is what happens to Russia in life, be it the tsarist Empire, be the USSR, or in the current federal state ---- ,, Russia has no friends. “They are afraid of our vastness.” And ,, ,, In the whole world, Russia has only two faithful allies - our army and navy. All the others, at the first opportunity, will take up arms against us. ” And for Churchill, and in general the Aglitsky one, about the fact that England has only her interests, this is at Europa, who, “will wait until the Russian tsar is fishing.”

          Quote: victor
          Kazakhs (by the way, a new nation, just a few decades older than the nation of dill) ...

          Well, I didn’t hear this, as long as no one from the Great Ukry claimed pyramids in Egypt, only a kinship with Genghis Khan. But this is normal. Tajiks are almost all the ancestors of Iskender Macedoni - such as the intact Macedonians from the Balkans laughing .And President Rakhmonov did become Rakhmon. Probably the ancient Aryan lost in the Pamirs.
    4. Konsov02
      Konsov02 12 September 2015 17: 50 New
      -4
      Quote: s.melioxin
      Yeah! What once again proves that the Army and Navy of their country are the best allies.

      Neither the fleet, nor the army, nor nuclear weapons saved the USSR. So it is beautifully said but ... nothing more!
      1. avt
        avt 12 September 2015 21: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: Konsov02
        Neither the fleet, nor the army, nor nuclear weapons saved the USSR. So it is beautifully said but ... nothing more!

        If by the fleet and army we mean only iron, then yes, iron will not save anyone anywhere. But the Army and Navy are primarily people whom the country takes under a solemn oath of oath in the hope that they will fulfill their solemn oath in conditions of mortal danger. Well, something like this Well, the example of the USSR is a classic example of apostasy and betrayal of the "elite" by force that introduced the ideals of life arrangement and who themselves betrayed for the opportunity to cash power into a very specific loot. So the hunchback and the top of the Central Committee of the CPSU almost completely repeated the feat "Judah, only for much more money than the pathetic 30 pieces of silver. But at the same time, the remnants of the army, navy, and especially nuclear weapons allowed Russia to be saved from the planned collapse of 90 states in Africa. So we lost the ideology as a primogeniture, but Russia - NO. But ,, Only when everyone dies, only then will the Big Game end "and Russia in the Game as a Player, and not the Game Figure, and even more so the Cell on the Game Board, like it or not, is objective reality.
      2. brutal true
        brutal true 12 September 2015 22: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: Konsov02
        Neither the fleet, nor the army, nor nuclear weapons saved the USSR. So it is beautifully said but ... nothing more!

        The army and navy save from physical destruction. And believe me, if the West had the opportunity to destroy Russia physically, they would have done so. But the army and navy can not save from the traitors and mediocre management of the elites. From economic and financial wars, too. Like in chess, every piece plays a role. But in recent years, Russia has learned a lot.
      3. TT62
        TT62 13 September 2015 13: 39 New
        0
        Thanks to the top of the traitors. Nothing will save you from a stab in the back.
  2. igorra
    igorra 12 September 2015 06: 13 New
    +12
    Just an inferiority complex, only the whole nation. If we somehow defeated our invaders, then the Bulgarians, the British, etc. no, here and rushing them from envy and hatred towards us.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 12 September 2015 07: 49 New
      +9
      Quote: igorra
      Just an inferiority complex, only the whole nation.

      The inferiority complex of the Poles.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 September 2015 06: 28 New
    +11
    . And that is characteristic - they attacked together with the Turks.


    No flag, no honor! They talk about such "little brothers."
    May Satan be their brother to them !!!
    1. perm23
      perm23 12 September 2015 17: 58 New
      +2
      For all of them there is a song Shopoklyak. Who helps people spends time in vain. It is necessary to behave with them as Americans, Then they will love and respect and respect.
  4. Basil50
    Basil50 12 September 2015 06: 30 New
    +14
    Bulgarians Turkic blood. Part of the Turks, * Bulgars *, settled in the Volga region and many times, along with * Tatars * participated in raids on Russia. The other part * of the Bulgars * reached Byzantium, where they settled. At the same time, the local population was slaughtered. By the way, as part of the Turkish army, the Bulgarians participated in all wars and were greatly appreciated by the Turks for recklessness and stamina. During WWII in Yugoslavia, the Bulgarians showed such cruelty that there is still no hatred for them. Words about * bros * in Bulgaria are used only in anticipation of a gift from RUSSIA. The Turks are very close to their mentality and blood. their ancestors are common.
    1. Fox
      Fox 12 September 2015 07: 47 New
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      Quote: Vasily50
      Part of the Turks, * Bulgars *, settled in the Volga region and many times, along with * Tatars * participated in raids on Russia. The other part * of the Bulgars * reached Byzantium, where they settled. At the same time, the local population was slaughtered.

      where does such knowledge come from? how and where are the Bulgarians on the Volga?
      1. loki-reyngard
        loki-reyngard 12 September 2015 08: 05 New
        +12
        Read the story-Volga Bulgars ...
      2. RiverVV
        RiverVV 12 September 2015 08: 16 New
        +4
        Not “Bulgarians”, but “Bulgars”. They are there now, have not gone anywhere.
        To be absolutely precise, they did not participate in Batu’s campaigns, because there wasn’t much to do. Volga Bulgaria was defeated by the Tatars and again could not rise. The people left miserable remnants.
        1. Aleksandr72
          Aleksandr72 12 September 2015 12: 34 New
          +16
          I would advise you to carefully use such words as miserable remnants of an entire nation, especially if you don’t know its full story.
          For information:
          Tatars, Tatars (self-name), people in Russia, the main population of Tatarstan. The number in Russia is 5522 thousand people, including 1765,4 thousand people in Tatarstan, 1120,7 thousand people in Bashkiria, 110,5 thousand people in Udmurtia, 47,3 thousand people in Mordovia, 43,8 thousand in the Mari Republic people in Chuvashia 35,7 thousand people, as well as in the regions of the Volga-Ural region, Western and Eastern Siberia and the Far East. 327,9 thousand people also live in Kazakhstan, 467,8 thousand people in Uzbekistan, 72,2 thousand people in Tajikistan, 70,5 thousand people in Kyrgyzstan, 39,2 thousand people in Turkmenistan, 28 thousand people in Azerbaijan, 86,9 thousand people in Ukraine, about 14 thousand people in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. The total number of 6 thousand people.
          They are divided into three main ethno-territorial groups: Volga-Ural Tatars, Siberian Tatars and Astrakhan Tatars. The most numerous are the Volga-Ural Tatars, including the subethnos of the Kazan Tatars (your humble servant also refers to them - my ancestors were exiled from Kazan to Siberia under Alexander III, by the way, the Volga Bulgars are one of the ancestors of the Kazan Tatars), Kasimov Tatars and Mishars, and also a subconfessional community of Kryashen (baptized Tatars). Among the Siberian Tatars, Tobolsk, Tara, Tyumen, Baraba and Bukhara (ethnosological group of Tatars) stand out. Among the Astrakhan - Yurt, Kundra Tatars and Karagash (in the past, Tatars of the “three yards” and Tatars “land” stood out). Lithuanian Tatars were a special ethnic group of the Golden Horde-Turkic ethnos that disappeared as a result of the ethnic and political processes of the 2thth centuries. This group in the XNUMXnd half of the XIX - beginning of XX centuries. experienced to a certain extent the process of integration into the Tatar ethnic community.
          And so we Tatars look:
          1. Aleksandr72
            Aleksandr72 12 September 2015 12: 39 New
            +12
            And in continuation of the theme of the origin and ethnonym of the Tatar people and what relation the Volga Bulgars have to us:
            The ethnic basis of the Volga-Ural Tatars was made up of the Turkic-speaking tribes of the Bulgarians (Bulgars), who created in the Middle Volga region (no later than the beginning of the 1236th century) one of the early states of Eastern Europe - the Volga-Kama Bulgaria, which existed as an independent state until 1438. As part of the Volga-Kama Bulgaria out of many tribal and post-tribal formations formed the Bulgarian nationality, in the pre-Mongol time, undergoing the process of consolidation. The inclusion of its territories in the Golden Horde led to significant ethno-political changes. On the site of the former independent state, one of the ten administrative divisions (iklim) of the Golden Horde was formed with the main center in the city of Bulgaria. In the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, separate principalities with centers in Narovchat (Mukshy), Bulgar, Dzhuketau and Kazan were known on this territory. In the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, the Kipchak, including Nogai, groups entered the ethnic environment of the population of this region. In the XIV - mid XVI centuries. The ethnic communities of Kazan, Kasimov Tatars, and Mishars took shape. The Kazan-Tatar people formed in the Kazan Khanate (1552-80), which was one of the significant political centers of Eastern Europe. The ethnic appearance of the Mishars and Kasimov Tatars was formed in the Kasimov Khanate, dependent on Muscovite Russia from the middle of the 2th century (it existed in a very changed form until the XNUMXs of the XNUMXth century). Mishars until the middle of the XNUMXth century experienced the process of becoming an independent ethnos. The Kasimov Tatars, which had some ethnic characteristics, were in fact the social elite of the Kasimov Khanate and ethnically formed a group that was transitional between the Kazan Tatars and Mishars. In the XNUMXnd half of the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries as a result of the mass migrations of the Tatars in the Volga-Ural region, a further rapprochement of the Kazan, Kasimov Tatars and Mishars took place, which led to the addition of the ethnic group of the Volga-Ural Tatars.
            I could write in more detail, but firstly - the allowable size of the comment does not allow, and secondly, I have concerns that this is not interesting to anyone.
            I have the honor.
            PS You should not mix the Tatars themselves and the Crimean Tatars. These are completely different peoples, with different historical roots and cultural and historical traditions. We have only a common name and religion - Islam. And also partly the language. The Crimean Tatar and Tatar languages ​​are related, since both belong to the Kypchak group of Turkic languages, but are not the closest relatives within this group. Because of the quite different phonetics, Crimean Tatars understand by hearing only certain words and phrases in Tatar speech and vice versa (I checked it personally, communicating with the local Tatars in Crimea last year). The closest to the Crimean Tatar are from the Kypchak Kumyk and Karachai languages, and from the Oguz languages ​​are Turkish and Azerbaijani.
            1. arrows
              arrows 12 September 2015 16: 30 New
              +2
              Thanks for the educational program !!!
            2. RiverVV
              RiverVV 12 September 2015 17: 10 New
              0
              Actually, it was not about the Tatars, but about the Bulgars.
              1. Aleksandr72
                Aleksandr72 12 September 2015 18: 53 New
                +7
                Before expressing an opinion, to which you undoubtedly have a right, nevertheless read the comment completely and then all questions will disappear themselves ... along with the minuses.
                Personally for you I repeat:
                The ethnic basis of the Volga-Ural Tatars was made up of the Turkic-speaking tribes of the Bulgarians (Bulgars), who created in the Middle Volga region (no later than the beginning of the 1236th century) one of the early states of Eastern Europe - the Volga-Kama Bulgaria, which existed as an independent state until XNUMX.

                Believe me, I know the history of the formation of the ethnos of my people. And if you do not trust my opinion, the Internet will help you.
                I will not pass you, because I repeat
                express an opinion to which you are undoubtedly entitled

                I have the honor.
                1. RiverVV
                  RiverVV 13 September 2015 17: 18 New
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                  No, you know, I don’t trust. After all, historians believe that the Tatar ethnic group is only six hundred years old, and we, ignoramuses, can doubt a little ...

                  In fact, the Volga Bulgaria is also not just like that, "it took and was created." Behind the formation of the state there is always a very long history and it is foolish to say that before the Bulgars created their state in the Volga region, only wild animals ran there. Similarly, the origin of the Tatars is a very complex issue. Too many sub-ethnic groups, too many wars, and who lived there a hundred years earlier and who later lived in darkness. Actually, very developed tribes lived in the Volga region and 2 thousand years ago. Ceramics, metals ...

                  And if you turn on the brain, it becomes clear: a group of immigrants (even a large one) does not immediately form a state. That is, the Bulgars could sail, they could build cities along the river, but multiply so much that there is a need for statehood - this is unlikely. There should have been a confusion with the local population. In principle, there was nothing complicated in this: the same Türks.
                  1. Basil50
                    Basil50 14 September 2015 14: 59 New
                    0
                    Tatars are the collective name of their close neighbors, but not by RUSSIAN blood. In the West, everyone was Germans, well, only if someone does not stand out in particular sadism, then they would become: peshkami, ball-skiers, or something else.
                    1. RiverVV
                      RiverVV 14 September 2015 17: 57 New
                      -1
                      How it all starts ... Maybe you should study the ethnogenesis of the Slavs for a start? Well, there are Scythians, Huns, Goths, Antes, Sarmatians ... Which one of them and in what sequence has replaced whom and chopped into cabbage.
                      Everything is very complicated there.
                      1. Basil50
                        Basil50 14 September 2015 20: 56 New
                        0
                        The Americans have already planted a pig * for * official * demographers and * historians * when they posted the genetic research data for RUSSIA. RUSSIAN quite a nation and genetic inclusions in an established nation are tracked very clearly. And genetics confirms this with high accuracy. By the way, only the Polish papacy claim * Sarmatians *. All names of the listed peoples are conditional, because are not self-names. Until now, the word RUSSIAN in different languages ​​sounds differently, even in the CIS, sometimes it sounds very * exotic *.
                      2. RiverVV
                        RiverVV 15 September 2015 11: 55 New
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                        So all the same: a nation, a nation, or an ethnic group? You already decide. In fact, these are different concepts. In particular, a nation is a socio-economic concept and to study its gene pool is about how to study the chemical composition of sand, based on the selection of a whole pair of grains of sand from a pile.
                        Your posts are funny to read. :)
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                    2. Basil50
                      Basil50 15 September 2015 14: 55 New
                      0
                      Take it for granted - RUSSIAN is a nation with its own culture and long-standing traditions of government. The church and all sorts of * tiligents * professionally lie and make fake * antiquities * in confirmation of the wretchedness of those living in RUSSIA. Our ancestors had several types of writing and were able to record music, on this basis a musical notation was born. Yes, and much of the trade penetrated the neighbors. And in confirmation of the viability of RUSSIANs as a nation, I advise you to read all the same American research. They are open. And available.
                    3. RiverVV
                      RiverVV 15 September 2015 15: 15 New
                      -1
                      Okay. Are the Tatars a nation?
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      4. 97110
        97110 12 September 2015 20: 23 New
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        Quote: Aleksandr72
        I have concerns that this is not interesting to anyone.

        Vain fear. Interestingly, I read it with pleasure. Already wrote here as my chap. Engineer (Tatar) crossed paths with a Bulgarian from Balkankar. After the second glass they forgot about the loaders and quickly agreed that they are one people.
    2. pytar
      pytar 13 September 2015 19: 46 New
      +4
      Very beautiful photo, Alexander! Colorful national costumes have! Respect! good
  5. arrows
    arrows 12 September 2015 16: 25 New
    +1
    Not the French, but the Franks, not the Norwegians, but the Normans, not the English but the Saxons, not the Russians and the Russians, not the Belarusians and the meadow, and you can still go on for many, many, but the essence is one.
  • Shishiga
    Shishiga 12 September 2015 13: 18 New
    +4
    where does such knowledge come from? how and where are the Bulgarians on the Volga?


    Bulgars, Bulgarians (Latin Bulgares, Greek Βoύλγαρoί, Bulgarian prabulgari, Tat. Bolğarlar, Chuvash. Polkharsem) - tribes that inhabited the steppes of the Northern Black Sea coast from the 2th century to the Caspian and the North Caucasus of the XNUMXnd and XNUMXnd centuries and the Caucasus partially in the Subunavia, and later in the Middle Volga region and a number of other regions.

    They participated in the ethnogenesis of such modern peoples as Bulgarians, Tatars, Chuvashs, Bashkirs [1] [2], Balkars, Karachais, and transferred their name to the state of Bulgaria. In modern historiography, the terms protobolgars, prabolgars, and ancient Bulgarians are also used.
  • arrows
    arrows 12 September 2015 16: 21 New
    +3
    I do not propose to read the story, I see that it will not help
  • Wildcat-731
    Wildcat-731 12 September 2015 17: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: Fox
    Quote: Vasily50
    Part of the Turks, * Bulgars *, settled in the Volga region and many times, along with * Tatars * participated in raids on Russia. The other part * of the Bulgars * reached Byzantium, where they settled. At the same time, the local population was slaughtered.

    where does such knowledge come from? how and where are the Bulgarians on the Volga?

    At school, "History of the USSR (!)" Or "History of Russia," at least occasionally it was necessary to teach, my friend. wink
    But he, from what, it’s important that there are four stars on the chase ... what
  • TT62
    TT62 13 September 2015 13: 43 New
    0
    From where, from the same beech.
  • andrei.yandex
    andrei.yandex 12 September 2015 08: 48 New
    +2
    But about the Turks, it’s hard to agree, because science gives a dubious definition of who they are, because you can’t dispute that the Kazakhs are significantly different from the Turks or Turkmens. But the Bulgars and Bulgarians, the child sees that this is not the same thing. I am not very strong in this issue.
    But I will present the opinion of the Bulgarian researcher Plamen Paskov, please look through to the end, maybe something in your worldview will change.
    An Inconvenient Story: Bulgarians vs. Russians?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl3iNgFzy5I
    Inconvenient story: When did you come up with a pagan god?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=oLvUeArCqSY
  • War and Peace
    War and Peace 12 September 2015 09: 11 New
    -2
    Quote: Vasily50
    Bulgarians Turkic blood.


    Well, you give a friend "Turki by blood"!?! Do you know who the TURKS are? How many people are all and all different, Kazakhs, Yakuts, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Tatars, Crimean Tatars, Kyrgyz, Turks - THESE ARE ALL DIFFERENT PEOPLES by blood all have different haplogroup genes.
    The fact that the Bulgarians are similar to the Turks, says one thing these peoples lived together for a long time and therefore there was a mutual penetration of the genomes of the peoples. But the Bulgarians love and respect the Russian people-the liberator, and this is what makes modern puppeteers play off the Russian and Bulgarian peoples. And the government of these states is pursuing such a policy ...
  • Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 12 September 2015 11: 30 New
    +11
    You are right, but not in everything:
    Bulgarians (Bulgarian. Bulgari) - the South Slavic people that arose in the early Middle Ages as a result of the merger of the Balkan Slavs and the Bulgarians of Khan Asparuh with the remnants of the local population of the Balkans, especially the Thracians. There was such an ancient people. They lived in the Balkans from the Neolithic era. The culmination of the development of this people came in the 200th century BC, when the Kingdom of Odris was created. It was a powerful, if not to say, most powerful state in the Balkans, but it lost its power quite quickly due to clashes with the Greeks. However, the state existed until the arrival of the Romans in the XNUMXst century BC, who completely annexed Thrace, making it their province. When the Thracians as a people began to disappear, at the moment it is unknown. Partially, they began to assimilate already under the Romans, but excavations show that the Thracian tribes existed in later periods. The final and actual assimilation of the Thracians did not occur under the Greeks and Romans, but with the arrival of the Slavs and Bulgars in the Balkans. Who are the Bulgars? Bulgars are the tribes that inhabited the steppes from the Black Sea to the Caspian and part of the North Caucasus. In the middle of the VII century, the Bulgars formed a fairly powerful tribal association, known as Great Bulgaria. The heyday of this formation came during the reign of Khan Kubrat. under him Great Bulgaria or Great Bulgaria was independent of neither the Khazars nor the Avars, had a friendly agreement with Byzantium. But, by historical standards, the state lost its significance almost instantly with the death of Khan Kubrat. The reason is typical - the sons began to quarrel with each other, as a result of which part of the Bulgars moved north, to the Volga region subsequently, forming such peoples as Tatars, Bashkirs and Chuvashs, and part headed by Khan Asparuh to the west, where they met with the Slavs who by then already lived in the Balkans. Here it is more attentive! Imagine a well-armed horse army comes across people with hoes and does not destroy it, but begins to live in peace, forming a fairly powerful state formation. Moreover, after about XNUMX years, the Slavs assimilate the Bulgars almost completely, and since then the history of Bulgaria is the history of the Slavic state. Paradox? But the fact!
    As for the "little brothers," in the family, even siblings often do not get along, because they compete with each other and because they live side by side. What to say about the peoples. So everything is relative. And therefore expect from the Slavic brothers that they will stick to your point of view in everything and be grateful to you, at least naive, if not stupid! This has been proven more than once by history.
    I have the honor.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 12 September 2015 14: 10 New
      +4
      By the way, there’s a good movie, it’s called “Khan Asparuh”. http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/66634/ True, it is "tolerant" "sleek", but there are many interesting places, and the battle scenes were shot well. By the way, the music is good there.
  • stoqn477
    stoqn477 12 September 2015 13: 06 New
    +2
    Let’s give an example when the Bulgarians were part of the Turkish army? And what kind of local population did the horsemen of the Kan Asparuh massacre? Asparuh entered into an alliance with the local Slavic tribes. Together they entered into the forefather of Bulgaria.
    Well, you may recall that the Russian army, together with Byzantium, destroys the First Bulgarian Power.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 12 September 2015 14: 25 New
      0
      Let’s give an example when the Bulgarians were part of the Turkish army?Janissaries, recruited from Christian boys, brought up in the Ottoman spirit .. all were there, who were under the Ottoman Empire ...
      1. stoqn477
        stoqn477 12 September 2015 16: 55 New
        +6
        Janissaries, recruited from everything from the Ottoman Empire! Not only from the Bulgarian guys, but from everyone. If the Turkish empire was on the borders of the Urals, your guys would also be in the Janissaries corps, does this mean that they could be called Russians with brainwashed? I don’t think so. Only the united country, the Ottoman Empire and one sovereign, the Sultan, have Yanichirs. They are not Bulgars, Serbs, Greeks, Vlachs, Albanians. They are Janissaries! They are the property of the Sultan!
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 13 September 2015 00: 19 New
          +3
          If the Turkish empire was on the borders of the Urals, your guys would also be in the Janissaries corps,... Yes, somehow they didn’t allow it, it was Ottoman to its borders .. all the more to the Urals ... By the way, earlier, the Janissaries were the property of the Sultan, and now Bulgaria is the property of the USA .. And it behaves like the property of the USA ..
      2. Jmbg
        Jmbg 13 September 2015 10: 56 New
        0
        Veziri, including the great vezir, the second in the empire after the Sultan, and the actual operational ruler of the Ottoman state were from the Janissaries corps. It follows from your logic that the Ottoman Empire was a Bulgarian state! Or about Croatian, since Ibrahim, the great Vezir of Suleiman, was a magnificent Croatian.
    2. 97110
      97110 12 September 2015 20: 29 New
      0
      Quote: stoqn477
      Well, you can remember

      Well, remember. A familiar Greek said that in their history there is nothing of the kind. Looks like the German bastards again tweaked the story a little.
  • TT1968
    TT1968 12 September 2015 18: 37 New
    0
    I don’t know how many “local population” our ancestors massacred, but the fact that the mother of Kan Kubrat, who defeated the Arab troops at the walls of Constantinople, was from the Slavs, let’s say anything!
    And what to speak of another fact - that after the capture of Silistria by the Byzantine mercenary, Prince Svyatoslav, HE CERTAINLY slaughtered more than 300 boyars like cattle ??? Maybe about Christian love for neighbor ???
    And the events that are being talked about in the stats take place on the territory of the BULGARIAN Dobrudge occupied Romania after the Second Balkan War of 1913. What kind of affairs does Russia have on the BULGARIAN territory ???
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 12 September 2015 20: 07 New
      +2
      . What kind of affairs does Russia have on the BULGARIAN territory ??? ,,
      But do you know that there was a World War I? that the Romanians were allies of Russia? and that intelligence was working at that time, which reported that Bulgaria would soon join the internal union? This is not an excuse, but the essence of the politics of those times.
      1. TT1968
        TT1968 13 September 2015 11: 41 New
        +3
        Do you know that only two years ago the Second Balkan War ended, as a result of which BULGARIAN Dobrudja was occupied by Romania ??? Therefore, it is quite logical to expect the participation of Bulgaria in the war AGAINST Romania with the goal of returning the lost territories inhabited by the Bulgarians. Moreover, the Romanian occupation authorities did not behave there like brothers in faith and ethnic cleansing also took place. And the fact that Russia was an ally of Romania in this business also does not add to the Bulgarians' love for "little brothers."
        ".. then intelligence worked, which reported the imminent entry of Bulgaria on the side of the internal union?" -and the Russian politicians did nothing to attract the "bros" to their side - well, and who is to blame for this after that ??
        By the way - after the WWII, Romania grabbed Moldova for itself, then entered into an alliance with Hitler and REALLY participated in battles on the Eastern Front, including - at Stalingrad, it regularly supplied the Wehrmacht with fuel from the refinery in Ploiescht, after the Victory, during the social camp, Romania also behaved separately, but now it has very specific appetites for Moldova and Transnistria, but no one yells, they say, Romanians are traitors and generally untrue
        Again double standards or something else ???
        1. slovak
          slovak 13 September 2015 21: 36 New
          +1
          What was the ethnic composition of southern Dobrudja before joining Romania and how many Bulgarians left it after ethnic cleansing?
          1. but still
            but still 14 September 2015 04: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: Slovak
            Slovak SK Yesterday, 21:36 p.m. ↑

            What was the ethnic composition of southern Dobrudja before joining Romania and how many Bulgarians left it after ethnic cleansing?



            According to statistics from 1910, 282 people lived in South Dobrudja, of which:

            Bulgari 134 355, or 47,6%

            Turkey 106 568, or 37,8%

            cygani 12 192, or 4,3%

            Tatars 11 718, or 4,2%

            Romanian 6 348, or 2,3%

            Gagauzi 4 912, or 1,7%

            armenzi, jews and herozi about 1,5%

            These data are also confirmed by the 1919 commission. In 1913, Romania received an area of ​​7630 square kilometers with a population of 273 people, of which only 090 are Romanians.

            How many Bulgarians left Southern Dobrudja can not find.
            I can only add that upon the return of the South Ossetia in 1940, an exchange of people took place (after 1913 they began to populate this area with Romanians, and, by agreement with Turkey, some Turks were resettled from there) - 88000 Bulgarians moved from North Dobrudzhi to the South, and resettled from the South to the North 68000 Romanians.
            1. slovak
              slovak 14 September 2015 22: 08 New
              0
              Thanks for the answer. Perhaps, there is evidence, what was the ethnic composition of Northern Dobrudja at that time?
    2. 97110
      97110 12 September 2015 20: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: TT1968
      What kind of affairs does Russia have on the BULGARIAN territory ???

      Indeed, what kind of affairs does Russia have on the fronts of World War I? Sow little, a fighter for the Bulgarian against the Russian.
    3. Basil50
      Basil50 15 September 2015 21: 24 New
      0
      Yeah, call Svyatoslav the mercenary, oh Bulgarian. I don’t write about shame, it’s not for you, but you don’t have to lie, and so finely.
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  • TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 12 September 2015 07: 02 New
    +3
    Maybe the genes are to blame for the corrupt guys. The main thing is the facts. And therefore, the attitude should not be according to genes, but according to actions. It’s time to master the messenger mood in dealing with such and similar “brothers”.
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 12 September 2015 07: 45 New
      0
      TVM-75
      Yes, I agree! But only our "rapids" are guided by their own criteria and our opinion doesn’t matter to them. They have long been stepping on the same rake, but ... until now they continue to push us the idea of ​​"brothers and other brothers" and "sisters."
      It would be a long time ago to stop pushing these ideas of fraternal peoples, and to translate relations into a profitable monetary plane for their country. There will be a prosperous "country and people, respectively, there will be, and little brothers." They themselves will come running and bustle and will look into the eyes and no one will dare to yap.
      And now ... Wed ... Th :-) they wanted on the graves of our soldiers that they were being released.
      1. perm23
        perm23 12 September 2015 18: 00 New
        +1
        There is only one people here and it is necessary to think about it. And the rest just live nearby.
    2. Konsov02
      Konsov02 12 September 2015 16: 59 New
      -3
      Do you know how many Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and other peoples of the USSR fought on the side of Germany in the Great Patriotic War? But the Bulgarians did not fight the USSR.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 13 September 2015 00: 35 New
        +1
        And the Bulgarians did not fight the USSR... They didn’t fight .. jackal in trophy teams in the territory occupied by the Germans .. Such a team, in Vyshesteblievskaya stood ..
      2. TT62
        TT62 13 September 2015 14: 02 New
        +1
        But tell us about this in more detail, the version of the Bulgarian side. And how many days did you confront fascist Germany.
  • AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 12 September 2015 07: 48 New
    +6
    Bulgars are Turks, but when they came to the Balkans they did not slaughter the entire local Slavic population, but only the "elite", taking its place and becoming rulers of the Slavic majority. Over time, they assimilated and the name "Bulgarians" passed to the entire population. So to say that today they are purebred Türks is an exaggeration ... As for fraternity, look at the Serbs and Croats, genetically one people, differing only in religion and what I call my own language Serbian-Croatian, the second Croatian-Serbian and Pjut in Cyrillic and Latin letters, respectively. And how periodically they cut each other!
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 September 2015 13: 03 New
      +7
      Not the Türks definitely! The thesis, which has existed for many years, has been refuted categorically by the Muscovite EU study conducted in the last 3 years. It is proved categorically: 1. The modern Bulgarian people are SLAVIC with pra-Bulgarian and Thracian impurities in an approximate ratio of 70%, 25%, 5%. 2. Proto / great / -bulgars DO NOT ARE TURKISH PEOPLE AND DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING WITH TURKS. 4. The origin of the great-Bulgarians is still unexplored, but the Iranian-Aryan version is supposed to be as likely. 3. No impurities found from the Tükkic peoples, despite 5 centuries of Ottoman slavery. Explanation - the Turks took Bulgarian girls for harem and Bulgarian boys for the Yanichar corps. Bulgarians did not marry for the Turks. When, as a result of the rape, the Bulgarian women became pregnant, a frequent case was a suicide that affected the child. Bulgarian society was very conservative and strictly guarded its cleanliness. In Bulgarian folklore such scenes are often described.
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    2. Basil50
      Basil50 15 September 2015 19: 10 New
      0
      The Bulgarians slaughtered the local population in the Balkans, and talking about the assimilation of survivors is nothing more than fairy tales. Maybe someone survived, but only by accident, or much later appeared there. But the indigenous population was destroyed. Traditions of Turks without slavery do not work. After all, even relatives are robbed, and then suddenly enslaved * are taken care of *.
  • Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 12 September 2015 08: 16 New
    +3
    forgot Shipka .......... forgot very quickly.
  • 205577
    205577 12 September 2015 08: 24 New
    +4
    In principle, it’s not so critical for me who they are to us.
    "Friends" who betray us with enviable frequency, we have a dime a dozen.
    Only here, after all, this is the matter, friend, he is neither a relative nor a cellmate, nor a work colleague; he is not imposed on you by anyone other than your personal desire.
    It makes sense to think not about the fact that they “threw us” so many times, and then they ran to us in search of protection, but about that - why the heck do we need all this?
    It's just some kind of masochism, if you look from the side, one betrays the other, and the second, every time generously forgives him.
    Maybe we lightly? Maybe we don’t need these "bros" (I need them on the drum, my country is self-sufficient), maybe we need to know how innocent we are, once again deceived, and what terrible noble and forgiving?
    Just normal logic, to put it mildly, "strange" centuries-old relationships can not be explained.
    Or is it true that they not only us, but we also used them in our interests, and when one of the “partners” benefited in another place of the star, did he merge with his comrade?
    In fact, it is stupid in the international politics of two states to look for signs of morality or spirituality - only business. And until we understand this, and begin to live on this principle, we will be "used" by all and sundry.
    1. taram taramych
      taram taramych 12 September 2015 08: 45 New
      -1
      "Family seven times, forgive your brother if he asks for forgiveness." Parables.
    2. dimosh
      dimosh 12 September 2015 10: 29 New
      +2
      This question is for the autocrats of all Russia. For example, I never understand which x we ​​participated in the Napoleonic wars (before the invasion). In the Seven Years' War ... Well, at least from the North, for example, everything is clear.
      1. Shishiga
        Shishiga 12 September 2015 13: 26 New
        +1
        This is when Napoleon and I fought with someone ??? Dates and places of battles - pliz in the studio.
    3. Konsov02
      Konsov02 12 September 2015 20: 37 New
      -1
      And you never left anyone and betrayed anyone. They never betrayed themselves. Your oligarchs are real patriots :)
  • provincial
    provincial 12 September 2015 08: 48 New
    +18
    Fyodor Dostoyevsky, who noted in 1877, held roughly the same opinion.

    “... According to my inner conviction, the most complete and insurmountable - Russia will never have, and never have had, such haters, envious people, slanderers, and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe agrees to recognize them as released! ”
  • Pavel Gusterin
    Pavel Gusterin 12 September 2015 09: 00 New
    +5
    Fraternal peoples are one thing, and interstate relations are another.
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 12 September 2015 09: 27 New
    0
    This suggests one thing: how spiritually weak is a person. yes
    In situations where the question of life and death arises, and survival at someone else’s expense, I don’t presume to assume how someone else will lead, if I don’t know how I will behave myself. Therefore, hardness of spirit cannot be equated with nationality.
    PS History, however, says that some have betrayal and treason in the blood. Well, everything can be. Some were born warriors, others - farmers, others - traders, and some - traitors ... what
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 September 2015 09: 43 New
    +12
    We, the Bulgarians, believe that they are not ours .. The Russian princes loved in the 8th-11th centuries ... pinching the Byzantine empire ... gold, silk, wine ... But usually the success of the campaign was in surprise ... But as our PVL writes, the Russian gathered the prince on a campaign, yes the Bulgarians of the Greeks warned, and so it was more than once, and that the Bulgarians themselves were quite tense with Byzantium, it would seem that the Russians would help you ... so no .. About cultural ties .. in modern times, the Bulgarians preferred to study in the West, the universities of the Republic of Ingushetia did not suit, they say there wasn’t enough free thinking in the schools .. and there were few who studied, although the Republic of Ingushetia provided benefits for the Bulgarians .. And most importantly, this is the latest time .. the Bulgarians, wishing for Schengen visas and lace underpants, voted in a referendum for joining the EU, now hungry, poor, but all without exception in lace shorts and a Schengen visa .. but that’s okay .. god is with you .. but the referendum on joining NATO .. ​​it's just an ax in the back of Russia. .This is a country that revived the state reality ... in Soviet times, she lived like a god-in-bosom, decided that Russia was the main aggressor .. well, a secret thought, and suddenly in the event of a NATO war with Russia, Bulgaria, something would break off .. As I dreamed, a Bulgarian warrior from backers, I told my grandmother, here Hitler will defeat Russia (this is in 1942), I will take land in Vyshesteblievskaya, build a hotel, and I will grow watermelons .. I don’t argue .. there are in Bulgaria, brothers .. but they are few .. and very much. .And what is characteristic, these brothers are called fascists there in Bulgaria ... Something like this ...
    1. War and Peace
      War and Peace 12 September 2015 11: 21 New
      -4
      Quote: parusnik
      ..but a referendum on joining NATO .. ​​it's just an ax in the back of Russia


      Well, why is lying so cheeky? Not the Bulgarian people approved the entry into NATO, but those scum who usually gather in all the talking places of the states wanted this and achieved it.
      On March 18, 2004, the Bulgarian Parliament ratified the agreement on the accession of the Republic of Bulgaria to NATO.

      http://www.aboutbulgaria.biz/bulgaria/foreign_affairs/bulgaria_nato/
      NO REFERENDUM WAS
      and there was a great desire to become a member of the European Union, but the West does everything according to the cunning FIRST IN NATO, THEN IN THE EU, Bulgaria was taken to the EU in 07g.
      Therefore, not the Bulgarian people, but all the trash that governs the state pursues a policy of pushing away from Russia, as indeed in Russia ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 12 September 2015 12: 10 New
        +7
        War and Peace On March 18, 2004, the Bulgarian parliament ratified the agreement on the Republic of Bulgaria joining NATO. Why is it so cheeky to lie? It’s not the Bulgarian people who approved joining NATO, but those scum who usually gather in all the talking places of the states and wanted to achieve this .... I agree, there was no referendum ... who the scumbags chose? .. some other people, not Bulgarian. .or these bastards, promised not to join NATO .. ​​and insidiously deceived, kind and naive Bulgarian people ..? By the way, for leaving the EU and NATO .. ​​the Tokmo-Russophile party Attack in Bulgaria campaigns, and for it only 10% of the population, the rest .. apparently like to be poor and walk in silk shorts, with a Schengen visa .. And do not talk about the cunning The West ... you deceived, the Bulgarian people who voted for trash ...
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 12 September 2015 12: 20 New
          -3
          Quote: parusnik
          I agree, there was no referendum ... who the scum who chose? .. some other people, not Bulgarian .. or these scum, promised not to join .. and insidiously deceived, kind and naive Bulgarian people ..


          Do you still believe in "democracy"? that in Russia, that in Bulgaria, and especially in Ukraine, one can see very sharply that in parliament there are not "people's representatives", but those who have a wider face and a thicker wallet i.e. one thief in Russia is a party of crooks and thieves. They adopt the most anti-people laws, and in Bulgaria it is even worse. Russians are one people, and governments are another people ...

          Quote: parusnik
          And do not talk about the cunning West .. you see, the Bulgarian people who voted for trash ...


          why is it "not necessary"? when it is just NECESSARY. The political systems of the modern world are built in such a way that simple people do not decide anything, even during popular uprisings, as last year people in Ukraine opposed corruption, but the puppeteers turned everything around and turned the country into banderland and against mos_kale, and here you argue about the "will of the people" -not it, everything is decided by the elites ...
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 12 September 2015 14: 30 New
            +4
            and here you are arguing about the "will of the people" -no it... Just about you about your will, I don’t argue .. you don’t have it ... hi
            1. War and Peace
              War and Peace 12 September 2015 15: 58 New
              0
              Quote: parusnik
              and here you are arguing about the "will of the people" -no it... Just about you about your will, I don’t argue .. you don’t have it ... hi


              whoever said it, always in the first line, always his nose in the wind, always with pluses, or an empty man, or always lying ... laughing
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 13 September 2015 00: 46 New
                -1
                always with pluses..Do not envy .. laughing
                1. War and Peace
                  War and Peace 13 September 2015 08: 14 New
                  -1
                  Quote: parusnik
                  always with pluses..Do not envy .. laughing


                  jealous of an unjustly created reputation? -It’s not for me, that people like you using the administrative resource are visible to the naked eye, your “historical strengthening” of anti-Bulgarian hysteria is akin to your knowledge of modern history. And no Jewish attempts by government officials and their licking can break the friendship of the Russian-Bulgarian peoples ...
            2. Konsov02
              Konsov02 12 September 2015 17: 04 New
              0
              Do not argue Comrade Marshal. Reasoning is a delicate matter. You have neither the knowledge of history nor the intellectual potential for this.
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 13 September 2015 00: 40 New
                +2
                You can not refute the facts .. but do not argue everything there .. smile
            3. TT1968
              TT1968 12 September 2015 18: 54 New
              +8
              And where was the "will of the RUSSIAN people" at the time of Mishka Gorbaty, Bori Alcoholic, Gaidar, Chubais, etc., etc. DE * R * MA ???? Has anyone complained ???
              I well remember the tanks shooting the White House and the crowd of onlookers staring at the free disgrace !!!
              So, before you poke your finger into a straw in someone else's eye, allow me to notice the LOGS in your eye !!!
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 13 September 2015 00: 44 New
                +1
                I well remember the tanks shooting the White House and the crowd of onlookers staring at the free disgrace !!!..Those. were you in the crowd of onlookers ..?And where was the "will of the RUSSIAN people" at the time of Mishka Gorbaty, Bori Alcoholic, Gaidar, Chubais, etc., etc. DE * R * MA ???? Has anyone complained ??? .. A counter-question, and where was the will of the Bulgarian people who supported perestroika? .. Nose downwind kept where the wind would blow ..?
                1. TT1968
                  TT1968 13 September 2015 11: 52 New
                  -2
                  The Bulgarian people BELIEVED in MIND and GOOD WILL coming from the Big Brother - the USSR. And this faith came to us sideways. And not only to us, the entire social camp!
                  By the way, there are recollections of the participants in the overthrow of the General Sec. Of the BKP T. Zhivkov about the ACTIVE participation of the KGB residency in the preparation and organization of the Coup.
                  1. saenara
                    saenara 14 September 2015 03: 43 New
                    0
                    So we got to the main thing: again, the Russians are to blame for everything :-)
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          3. kotvov
            kotvov 12 September 2015 20: 17 New
            +2
            as last year people in Ukraine opposed corruption, but the puppeteers turned everything upside down and turned the country into banderland,
            I put before you (under the article) a plus, well, you’ve already turned down. The Ukrainians have come out for gay-European underpants, hiding behind the fight against corruption. The majority supported the zavarushka precisely after refusing to sign the European integration.
        2. Konsov02
          Konsov02 12 September 2015 17: 02 New
          0
          You are here again Comrade Marshal, Commander-in-Chief of the Anti-Bulgarian Front. Pay well?
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 13 September 2015 00: 53 New
            +1
            You are here again, Comrade Marshal,Yes, I'm here again, as Georgy Dimitrov at the Leipzig trial ... and they don’t pay me .. wink
      2. pytar
        pytar 12 September 2015 22: 24 New
        +4
        You just told them one fact! A referendum on NATO has not been held. We know why! According to the results of opinion polls, more than 80% of Bulgarians were AGAINST! And you put a bunch of cons! belay Do you understand what is happening here? fool
        1. saenara
          saenara 13 September 2015 09: 54 New
          0
          And where are the protests against joining NATO? Since the whole country is against?
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 12 September 2015 15: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      We, the Bulgarians, believe we are brothers, we didn’t love them .. Russian princes loved in the 8-11 centuries .. pinch the Byzantine empire ..

      maybe Kiev knights? True, I studied history with the union, maybe now in the Russian Federation they write Russian knights instead of Kiev knights. And then, after all, the Bulgarians completely reject the Bulgars of Khan Asparuh and write about their Slavic purity, which could only be achieved by the complete destruction of the men of the soldiers of Khan Asparuh so that they would not have time to pass on their gene to their descendants. Or you can allow another option: the Bulgars themselves were divided into a Slavic and Turkic branch and, during the partition, the Bulgars-Slavs went to the Balkans where they disappeared into other Slavs and Bulgars-Turks that went to the upper Volga and Kama where they gave rise to several Turkic peoples of the Volga region (this version is reinforced dividing the Bulgars into two tribal unions of the Unnogurs and Kuttogurs according to which the Bulgars split before their migration to the Balkans and the Volga region). opinion hi .
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 12 September 2015 11: 21 New
    +8
    Quote: parusnik
    I don’t argue .. there are brothers in Bulgaria .. but there are few of them .. and quite .. And that’s typical, these brothers are called fascists in Bulgaria ... Something like this ...

    As long as there is at least one Bulgarian in Bulgaria who loves Russia and is ready to stand for it (and I am familiar with this), then I will never insult and humiliate the whole Bulgarian nation, I will never say that if you are Bulgarian (German, Ukrainian , Jew ...), then you are by definition bad, a traitor, ... In general, I think that work with our supporters abroad is not well done, you need to immediately activate the support of our supporters, otherwise they are sometimes practically abandoned.
    1. Konsov02
      Konsov02 12 September 2015 22: 41 New
      +3
      For many years, the Russian cultural information center in Sofia spent only taxpayer money.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 13 September 2015 00: 55 New
        0
        For many years, the Russian cultural information center in Sofia spent only taxpayer money..Those. You didn’t get over .. or a little bit got ..
    2. saenara
      saenara 14 September 2015 03: 46 New
      0
      Nobody says that Bulgarians are bad. Just do not expect fraternal acts from them. Only pragmatic. And act the same way.
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 12 September 2015 11: 26 New
    +1
    An interesting question: during the Russian Empire, they talked about helping brothers on Vera. In Soviet times, they talked about internationalism, saying that they should help the proletarian brothers. Now they are again talking about brothers, a single people, helping dill and trading with it, as well as giving discounts on gas, coal, etc. But never in its history has any brother ever helped Russia in the most difficult or in the happiest times. We always succeed in everything we owe and owe. The thought creeps in, why is it always like this? And gradually you begin to realize that we are ruled and ruled by people who follow someone’s instructions, let's call them someone’s world government or freemasons. Then everything fits in bricks in a neat row. And the collapse of the Russian Empire and the collapse of the USSR and the current policy of selling everything and the whole of the country and a step forward and five back and first - You give the Russian World, and after shouting from the outside - grave silence and a heel backward trip. The country was and is under external control. There were some moments, for example under Stalin, but what started after his death or murder. It’s the same with kings. And as long as this external control remains, brains about the international, fraternities, allies will always soar to us and milk and milk our country under this brand.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 12 September 2015 12: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      But never in its history has any brother ever helped Russia either in the most difficult or in the happiest times.

      Remember the article on VO dated May 13, 2015, “Help from the steppes. Mongols are faithful allies of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War”. Unfortunately, I can not give other examples.
      1. 97110
        97110 12 September 2015 20: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Anatole Klim
        Mongols - faithful allies of the USSR

        And the Mongols were never called the brotherly people. Faithful allies - and that’s it.
    2. Konsov02
      Konsov02 12 September 2015 20: 40 New
      +1
      Do not be ashamed of the general life is so illiterate? Tens of thousands of Bulgarians died in World War II fighting against the Nazis.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 13 September 2015 10: 02 New
        +3
        And why should the "general be ashamed"? As far as everyone knows, Finns, Hungarians, Romanians, and even Italians and others have lost thousands of people killed while fighting the Germans, but ... you just need to understand one “nuance” - all these “defectors” began to “fight” with the Germans only when Soviet and allied troops piled on their cap. And they themselves, for no reason, would not have turned their bayonets against the Germans, hoping to the end hoping to profit at the expense of the USSR. Betrayed all these "allies" of their "friends" of the Germans. And they do not like traitors anywhere — betrayed once, betrayed another time, and the third.
    3. but still
      but still 12 September 2015 22: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      But never in its history has any brother ever helped Russia either in the most difficult or in the happiest times.


      In Bulgaria, struck and bloodless by several Balkan wars and World War I, when hundreds of thousands of Bulgarian refugees arrived from the lost Bulgarian territories, in the early 20s 30000-35000 Russians arrived (part of the Wrangel army and civilians), to whom the Bulgarian government allocated budgetary funds, financial and charitable organizations helped, including Russian emigrant ones. 3000 orphans were accepted (transportation from Russia was coordinated and funded by the Bulgarian government). Veterans of the Russian-Turkish war and Russian disabled people were paid a pension from the budget. Russian schools were created and everything necessary was done as far as possible for the adaptation of Russian refugees. I personally know several Bulgarians whose grandfathers are White Guards, they proudly and willingly talk about it.
    4. but still
      but still 12 September 2015 22: 32 New
      -3
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      But never in its history has any brother ever helped Russia in the most difficult or in the happiest times


      And now I give an example of the help of the Bulgarians in happy times:

      Bulgarian alphabet, Cyrillic, created by Clement of Ohrid and named after one of his teachers - Cyril.

      The Orthodox Christian faith with the help of numerous liturgical literature in Bulgarian, understandable for Russian and thanks to representatives of the Bulgarian clergy, which rallied people and determined the spiritual, cultural, historical development of Russia.

      During the CMEA and the Warsaw Pact, Bulgaria was one of the most loyal allies of the USSR.
      1. pytar
        pytar 12 September 2015 22: 49 New
        +7
        The first atomic bombs from the Soviet Union made with Bulgarian uranium. At that moment, it was of vital importance! The USSR did not have developed uranium deposits, but there were. Until the end of the 90, all Bulgarian uranium was exported to the USSR. And in general, only malicious people can repeat such stupidity as the "Tambov Wolf"! 50 years of SUA, guarded the southern frontiers of the Warsaw Pact! We stood shoulder to shoulder against our common enemies! All Bulgarian industry and agriculture worked for the USSR, and he gave us severe and various industrial products. Mutually beneficial cooperation in all areas of economics, politics, science, culture and ... hundreds of thousands of mixed Russian-Bulgarian families! Great, isn't it? good
    5. pytar
      pytar 13 September 2015 01: 35 New
      +3
      Eeeh Tambovsky, Tambovsky ... Doesn’t fit with you, brick! Crookedly put, crookedly worth it! Do you even know that Russia fought against the Ottomans for 300 years? And do you know why? To get to the Straits! PMV is 14 - the thirteenth consecutive war with the Turks. As a result of all these wars, they gained statehood on the Balkan Peninsula directly or indirectly, Greece, Serbia, Cerna Gora, Romania, Bulgaria ... maybe someone else missed it ?! We are grateful and will never forget who freed us and who owe their existence! For Russia, the war in 1877 was another step towards the Straits, and for us there was a Long-awaited Salvation! But let's honestly admit - if the Bulgarians did not live in the Bolkans, but for example in the central Anadol, would Russia come to free us? Hardly ... Emperors, and gosudarstveniki always put their interests first. It happens, though rarely, and these interests coincide with noble aspirations! Then the war is fair! The war in 1877 was fair for Russia! But PMV, not really ...
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 13 September 2015 14: 56 New
        +2
        When do you answer the question? Why didn’t they become a neutral country? I ask for the third time. I don’t hear a reply. There’s nothing more to say. And about Bulgarian uranium you will fill in Geyropa. And we used it from Andijan, then formerly in the USSR.
        1. pytar
          pytar 13 September 2015 15: 37 New
          +2
          Neutral country? Do not understand what period you are asking? In WWI, WWII or after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact? Uranus, strategic harsh. Ego can always be sold and there will always be buyers. In the first few years, after the end of WWII, when the nuclear monopoly possessed SASH, the USSR faced the vital question of the speedy creation of nuclear weapons. Locations of uranium in their territory, until they were developed and at the time needed. And time was short ... Bulgaria helped, which already had developed sites containing high-quality uranium ore. Of course, in the aftermath of the USSR, he developed his finds and problems with the severity were resolved. Despite this, all Bulgarian uranium was supplied to the USSR until the end of the 90.
  • but still
    but still 12 September 2015 11: 54 New
    +1
    The Bulgarian-Phobic campaign launched in the Russian media after December 1, 2014 continues at full speed:) Now I'm going to rest. I will unsubscribe in the evening. In facts and figures. By the way, yesterday when visiting Berlusconi in Crimea, he was promised to build a monument to the fallen Italian soldiers - this under the condition that Italy was an adversary of Russia in both the first and second world. By the way, in 2011, Italy took an active part in the liquidation of Gaddafi - then Berlusconi was still the Prime Minister. So here - the momentary policy sets the tone for the coverage of historical events :)
    1. DJDJ GOSHA
      DJDJ GOSHA 12 September 2015 13: 09 New
      +8
      In World War I, Italy was not an adversary of the Entente, and consequently of Russia. 2 by history.
      1. but still
        but still 12 September 2015 20: 57 New
        -2
        I accept a well-deserved deuce smile Although Italy was a member of the Triple Alliance, in the First World War it crossed over to the Entente. But, nevertheless, this does not change the essence of the issue - well, even if not in the First, so in the Crimean and Second World Italy opposed Russia. Today it is in the EU, NATO and supports sanctions against Russia. But there is no Italian hysteria in the Russian media, is it? Berlusconi set foot in the Crimea - and the monument is immediately offered to the fallen soldiers (I have nothing against the monument). And Bulgaria did not play the role of the “Trojan horse” of Russia in the EU - and at once they cried out: “Pre-yes-te-lii! They are in two wars against us, were they!”
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 12 September 2015 22: 56 New
          +7
          Quote: but still
          But there is no Italian hysteria in the Russian media, is it?

          Because Italy has always been a stranger to us. We never rescued them anywhere, and they never enrolled in fraternal peoples. The point is not that the Bulgarians are such and such, but that there are no "brothers".
          Having business with Bulgaria given its political interests is normal.
          To have any common business is also normal.
          But you need to remember that:
          ... the theses about "Orthodox brotherhood", "Slavic unity", and indeed about any "brotherly" peoples are only propaganda trickery, or - naive and empty dreams ...
          1. but still
            but still 14 September 2015 04: 56 New
            0
            Quote: Dart2027
            and they never recorded in fraternal peoples


            Yes, that’s true, but it was Russia that “wrote down” the Slavic peoples to the fraternal peoples, it developed all these ideas of pan-Slavism and the creation of a South Slavic federation (and Stalin later wanted to push Bulgaria into Yugoslavia - it’s good that Tito was estranged from Stalin, and even the Bulgarians would have gotten in the Yugoslav wars of the 90s). And why did all these ideas of brotherhood develop? You yourself answered this question - it was a propaganda trick and a means of influence of the rulers, and for intellectual writers - naive and empty dreams.
          2. but still
            but still 14 September 2015 05: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Dart2027
            Because Italy has always been a stranger to us. We have never saved them anywhere.


            Saved from Napoleon, although he rallied them, but okay. Please make a list of whom you saved (the list will be long) and who "enrolled" as brothers to you.
            And then the list of who when whom "betrayed".

            The first country that came to mind - Serbia - fits all the criteria of fraternity - Slavic, Orthodox, saved it. Here in the column "betrayal" at the rates of forum prosecutors, you should enter Russia (they gave the Americans to bomb it), right?
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 13 September 2015 01: 01 New
          -3
          And Bulgaria did not play the role of the “Trojan horse” of Russia in the EU - so immediately and screaming: “Pre-yes-te-liiii!.. That's right, both in two wars, and now ..
    2. 97110
      97110 12 September 2015 20: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: but still
      that in the first and second world Italy was an opponent of Russia

      About the first explain, please. Is it the Russian Italians who beat Caporetto? And have Monte Clara been taken from them? Or are the Austrians, after all?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 September 2015 11: 59 New
    +6
    Quote: Anatole Klim
    Quote: parusnik
    I don’t argue .. there are brothers in Bulgaria .. but there are few of them .. and quite .. And that’s typical, these brothers are called fascists in Bulgaria ... Something like this ...

    As long as there is at least one Bulgarian in Bulgaria who loves Russia and is ready to stand for it (and I am familiar with this), then I will never insult and humiliate the whole Bulgarian nation, I will never say that if you are Bulgarian (German, Ukrainian , Jew ...), then you are by definition bad, a traitor, ... In general, I think that work with our supporters abroad is not well done, you need to immediately activate the support of our supporters, otherwise they are sometimes practically abandoned.

    And with what I insulted, and humiliated the whole Bulgarian nation ..? The Russophile Ataka party, in Bulgaria, is considered fascist, for some reason .. The Bulgarian rear guard, who collected leftovers after the Germans, and sent them to Bulgaria .. to dream of building a hotel in Vyshesteblievskaya after the victory
    Nazi Germany over the USSR ..? I will not hide, he swore love for the Russian people .. said that he didn’t shoot at Russians .. He promised how to build a hotel, to take his grandmother and children to work .. Thank you, brother Bulgarian for taking care, in case of victory by Nazi Germany .. Yes Germany did not grow together .. hi
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 12 September 2015 12: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      And with what I insulted, and humiliated the whole Bulgarian nation ..?

      In no way did I mean your comment, it concerned the statements above, but on the contrary I supported and quoted you, where you wrote that there are few of our supporters and they are called fascists, but we actually do not support them.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 12 September 2015 13: 41 New
        +2
        That’s for sure, we don’t support it ... Attack ... it is considered by the nationalist party .. But nevertheless, vague doubts torment it ... even about it .. Sarisa, or as it is, the one that is in power in Greece today .. well .. promised a lot and swore in many ways .. but as it turned out, it is understandable not all at once .. step by step .. and yet ..
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 September 2015 12: 20 New
    +5
    Quote: but still
    Bulgarianophobic campaign

    And where do you see the Bulgarianophobic company ... Question..for the Russophile party Attack, voted
    395 733 people, for pro-Western Citizens for the European development of Bulgaria 1 people Movement for rights and freedoms 678 people, the Blue Coalition 641 ... that is, this choice of Bulgarians can be safely called Russophobic ..
    1. but still
      but still 13 September 2015 04: 58 New
      -2
      Quote: parusnik
      Quote: but still
      Bulgarianophobic campaign

      And where do you see the Bulgarianophobic company ... Question..for the Russophile party Attack, voted
      395 733 people, for pro-Western Citizens for the European development of Bulgaria 1 people Movement for rights and freedoms 678 people, the Blue Coalition 641 ... that is, this choice of Bulgarians can be safely called Russophobic ..



      In the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev, uncle
      1. saenara
        saenara 13 September 2015 09: 58 New
        0
        And to clarify? Or do not condescend?
  • arrows
    arrows 12 September 2015 12: 51 New
    +3
    Rummage around in history, you will not find big prostitutes than Bulgarians among Slavs.
  • arrows
    arrows 12 September 2015 13: 00 New
    0
    And you, gentlemen, lovers of Bulgarians, go to Bulgaria to relax and look in person for the love of the "little brothers" to the Russians.
    1. but still
      but still 13 September 2015 05: 10 New
      -2
      Quote: arrow keys
      And you, gentlemen, lovers of Bulgarians, go to Bulgaria to relax and look in person for the love of the "little brothers" to the Russians.


      what Are you working on advertising a discount in a Bulgarian hotel?
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  • fa2998
    fa2998 12 September 2015 13: 22 New
    +4
    Quote: war and peace
    The question is clearly far-fetched - there is a war against the Russian people

    Well, of course! Russia put several hundred thousand lives of soldiers in the liberation of the Bulgarians. And the Bulgarians in response, both world wars fought against Russia! And now the burnout didn’t pass, they turned the South Stream project on, or humanitarian planes didn’t let it through. German litter and the USA. negative fool hi
  • stoqn477
    stoqn477 12 September 2015 13: 25 New
    -1
    So, for joining NATO, the decision was taken by our politicians, there was no referendum. Since in 1944, the decision to join the socialist bloc was taken in Moscow. The referendum was not again. The referendum was to replace the monarchy from the republic, but there can be doubts about the results.
    For WWI, yes we are opponents. It seems that Nikakov does not have the norm for entering into an alliance with opponents from the Balkan War (Greece, Serbia, Romania).
    Can the author remember which fleet flew its sea capital Varna with volleys? Is it not the Russian imperial fleet? Date October 14.10.1915, 1916. Ahead of September XNUMX. Your fleet attacked Varna more than once, and Balchik was wiped out of the face of the earth.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 12 September 2015 14: 20 New
      +5
      Can the author recall which fleet flew its own sea artillery with its volleys, our sea capital Varna? Bulgaria entered the First World War on October 14, 1915 on the side of Germany, Turkey, and Austria-Hungary, declaring war on Serbia.Your fleet has attacked Varna more than once, and Balchik has been wiped out of the face of the earth.... What cunning and cynical crime on the part of Russia .. Statehood, who restored you? England? .. France? ... no? Ahhh ... friends from Turkey? During the war years, the soldiers from the Bulgarian trophy team, my grandmother ... in Vyshestlebievskaya, liked them ... our land, swore love for the Russian people, one promised, after the war, when Hitler wins, and gives him land ... a hotel build, take a grandmother with children to work .. Yes, somehow it didn’t grow together ... And so you look, and saved from destruction .. would be like inferior, probably ...
    2. arrows
      arrows 12 September 2015 16: 37 New
      +3
      Or can the author recall on whose side Bulgaria fought in the World War II ?? !!
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    3. kotvov
      kotvov 12 September 2015 20: 27 New
      +2
      Ahead of September 1916. Your fleet attacked Varna more than once, and Balchik was wiped out of the face of the earth. ,,
      that’s why I got out in NATO. What did you decide now to answer in the Crimea, along with the “valiant” nata? I personally do not have against the Bulgarian people (I understand the situation), but against people like you, I am ready to repeat the attack of the fleet.
  • Medvedb
    Medvedb 12 September 2015 13: 50 New
    +2
    Brotherhood happens and is, just politicians spoil everything.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 September 2015 14: 07 New
    +9
    Quote: pytar
    Materials with anti-Bulgarian content in Russian-language resources, a lion!

    Oh how! Bulgaria in the WWI, fought with the Turks, Germans against Russia, during the Second World War was on the side of Nazi Germany, Bulgaria is a member of NATO, a military alliance against Russia, about 3 million .. Bulgarians voted for pro-Western parties .. .Russia, offered Bulgaria South Stream, real money .. Bulgaria, in favor of Western countries and the Nazi Ukraine, proudly refused, Bulgaria closed the airspace, even promised to shoot down for Russian planes delivering humanitarian aid to Syria .. Is it anti-Bulgarian propaganda? ..
    1. War and Peace
      War and Peace 12 September 2015 16: 15 New
      -5
      Quote: parusnik
      Quote: pytar
      Materials with anti-Bulgarian content in Russian-language resources, a lion!

      Oh how! Bulgaria in the WWI, fought with the Turks, Germans against Russia, during the Second World War was on the side of Nazi Germany, Bulgaria is a member of NATO, a military alliance against Russia, about 3 million .. Bulgarians voted for pro-Western parties .. .Russia, offered Bulgaria South Stream, real money .. Bulgaria, in favor of Western countries and the Nazi Ukraine, proudly refused, Bulgaria closed the airspace, even promised to shoot down for Russian planes delivering humanitarian aid to Syria .. Is it anti-Bulgarian propaganda? ..


      you are probably not Russian, do not understand Russian, Bulgarian too ...
      1. 97110
        97110 12 September 2015 21: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: war and peace
        you’re probably not Russian, don’t understand Russian,

        And you probably are not Russian, do not understand Russian, English (USA) is closer ... And you can do without weeping.
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    3. Konsov02
      Konsov02 12 September 2015 17: 44 New
      -2
      ... the years of World War II Bulgaria was on the side of Nazi Germany ...

      ..............................
      All clear. In the Second World War you are completely illiterate young man. Earn money if you pay but also learn more.
      1. 97110
        97110 12 September 2015 21: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Konsov02
        In World War II, you are completely illiterate

        Not to you, dear talk about the Second World War. Our people paid tens of millions of lives for their knowledge, yours received a price for the sale in the 6-ton Vickers, Skoda, I remember, even the Tiger was not regretted for your venality.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 13 September 2015 01: 08 New
        +2
        All clear. In the Second World War you are completely illiterate young man. Earn money if you pay but also learn more.In the spring and summer of 1944, the Soviet government repeatedly appealed to the Bulgarian government with a proposal to break the alliance with Germany and maintain neutrality.
        Thus, on May 18, 1944, the government of the USSR demanded that the government of Bulgaria stop providing assistance to the German army.
        On August 12, 1944, the government of the USSR repeatedly demanded that the government of Bulgaria cease providing assistance to the German army. As of September 5, 1944, there were 30 German troops in Bulgaria, the government of the USSR on September 5, on the other hand, regarded the activities of the government of Muraviev as a continuation of foreign policy Bagryanov’s government (despite a statement of neutrality) and announced that he was at war with Bulgaria.
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  • Railway
    Railway 12 September 2015 14: 47 New
    0
    The reason for the attack was the refusal of the bg-authority to allow flights to Syria. Of course, in Bulgaria we do not approve of such a criminal decision of the "Bulgarian" government!

    And what nat. Do you have the government in quotation marks? Hesitate laughing
  • Per se.
    Per se. 12 September 2015 15: 13 New
    0
    In general, there is no brotherhood between nations divided by lines of state borders
    We do not have a common border with the Serbs, but who doubted that they are not our brothers? We have a common border with Dill, but who will now call the brothers those for whom traitors and criminals such as Mazepa, Petlyura and Bandera with Shukhevych became national "heroes"? If the Ukrainians lost their minds for reason, their memory was erased, so now they’re offended by the Bulgarians ...
    1. TT1968
      TT1968 12 September 2015 19: 06 New
      -2
      “We do not have a common border with the Serbs, but who doubted that they are not our brothers”
      And by what you judge that the Serbs consider YOU brothers. And even if they think, this did not stop RUSSIA from betraying Serbia in 1999, as well as Bulgaria in the past!
      And after all this still REQUIRES loyalty! ???
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 12 September 2015 20: 30 New
        +2
        And after all this still REQUIRES loyalty! ??? ,,
        we are not a sash to demand something. it’s just that we have a good memory, you have to pay for everything once.
      2. saenara
        saenara 13 September 2015 10: 03 New
        0
        Nobody requires anything from you.
        It’s just that it is very unpleasant for us Russians every time to convince ourselves that the peoples that we considered fraternal are abandoning and betraying us as soon as possible.
        We know, remember, but still, we plunge into it again and again. And we will, apparently.
  • arrows
    arrows 12 September 2015 16: 01 New
    0
    But no one is offended by the Bulgarians, you can be offended by someone you respect, but here only statements of historical realities.
    1. Konsov02
      Konsov02 12 September 2015 17: 47 New
      +1
      And can we say how many tens of thousands of Bulgarian soldiers were killed in battles with the Nazis? Do you have enough knowledge and literacy? Young man, why do you know the history of the Second World War so poorly?
      1. 97110
        97110 12 September 2015 21: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Konsov02
        And you can say how many dozens
        MILLIONS of Soviet people gave their lives and for the Bulgarian including the opportunity to dodge the German "new order". Do you know arithmetic? So plug the fountain.
  • Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 12 September 2015 16: 38 New
    +3
    Bulgarians and Russians - one blood, one faith, one language - one people !!!
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 September 2015 19: 24 New
      +3
      I fully support! good No real Russian or Bulgarian can be against it! By minus, we find out how many pin-dos trolls "live" here! bully And suddenly shut up! After all, they will blow it out in sight! laughing
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 12 September 2015 20: 35 New
        +7
        By minus, we find out how many pin-dos trolls "live" here ,,
        trolls don’t linger here, let alone pin..ie. but there’s a grudge, of course. We don’t understand what and how, but YOUR government does EVERYTHING so that it (grudge) grows. You still haven’t answered why the support of the gay parties Bulgarian people are so big.
        1. saenara
          saenara 13 September 2015 10: 12 New
          0
          I do not think that there should be an insult. Just a memory. So that next time, when the brothers once again put a knife in the back, it would not be so painful, unpleasant and incomprehensible.
    2. saenara
      saenara 13 September 2015 10: 09 New
      0
      When the Bulgarians it is beneficial.

      Which, however, is unlikely to prevent the Russians from coming to your aid again when you call.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 12 September 2015 17: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: Pavel Gusterin
    Fraternal peoples are one thing, and interstate relations are another.

    It turns out that as a result of these interstate relations imposed by the top, the attitude of the fraternal people changes. Question of time. I have a positive attitude towards those Bulgarians who are upholding their position here, but look around me. Do you have a lot of like-minded people in your country? for sure. Adult people and trolls would not have noticed at all if it weren’t for the affairs of your government and the monuments in the previous article. Moreover, due to a lack of facts, it began: And you yourself ....
  • saygon66
    saygon66 12 September 2015 19: 41 New
    -1
    - -Cho, however, it’s done ... Clicking the button: and the Bulgarians are historically established enemies ... Clicking on the other: the Czechs, Poles, Serbs are the original scoundrels ... According to the third: “Hit x-oh-oh-lov ! "- it seems that there are no Ukrainians from the Donetsk region and Lugansk region and there never has been ... The fourth button is friendship" fucking up "with the Caucasus! Another jammed button: "Israel is an eternal enemy." Urgently take away the uncle's remote control! Head spin...
  • pytar
    pytar 12 September 2015 19: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: avt
    Quote: pytar
    Do not fall for the propaganda of enemies!

    request ,, By their deeds you will know them "
    Quote: pytar
    They and our enemies!

    Well, what does the LEADERSHIP of Bulgaria seemingly be for their country ..... it’s enough that practically with their own hands the BULGARIANs are freeing the country from themselves .... Yes, here also the UKRAINIANS are catching up with you and even overtaking - they started a war at home such that will hiccup for a long time.

    Here is a classic example when a person writes in bad faith! He intentionally does not make a difference between power and people! About the mention of the Bulgarians and Ukrainians in one perspective, I will write a separate comment! bully
  • Atigay
    Atigay 12 September 2015 19: 49 New
    0
    The issue of the brotherhood of peoples is a purely political dummy. Well, why did the descendants of the great Bulgars brought to the present land by Khan Asparuh suddenly become Russian little brothers? Or did they forget their ancestors? It all started in the Turkish war, when the Russian Tsar desperately needed to screw the Turks. So the Bulgarians who got on the road became brothers. And now? Ethnically, the Bulgarians are dearer to the Turks, they are the Turks. The fact that they are Orthodox, they speak Slavic, it certainly brings together. But the Poles are also in Slavic verbs. However, they tortured Susanin. No matter how much they dreamed, they did not become brothers. Who are your brothers? Kazakhs. Of course the Kazakhs. More fraternal bed than our common border of 6000 km. you’ll find horseradish. Here, brothers we are involuntarily. Like it or not. drinks
  • Cossack Ermak
    Cossack Ermak 12 September 2015 19: 58 New
    +2
    In short. People.
    Do not need all the people under one comb. There are elites and common people.
    Rested in Turkey. Somehow it happened that it was nice to communicate with 2 Polish families and 1 Bulgarian. Not all Russophobes are there. Although there are enough of them.
    1. saenara
      saenara 13 September 2015 10: 14 New
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      Not all, I agree. Just the majority.
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  • pytar
    pytar 12 September 2015 20: 39 New
    +3
    Quote: arrow keys
    Or can the author recall on whose side Bulgaria fought in the World War II ?? !!

    Or maybe I recall on whose side Russia fought in the WWII? Yes, and in WWII! what If I am not mistaken, on the side of my worst enemy - the British Empire ??? Something I can’t remember for myself, and the French, like your great friends ?! Here, Russia from Germany before that time, it seems to me there weren’t any big mess! It is strange, because suddenly Germany and Russia became enemies and mutually exterminated in two world wars. ... and at that time, the Anglo-Saxons were pretty rubbing their hands ... bully
    1. brutal true
      brutal true 12 September 2015 23: 19 New
      +3
      The point is not who fought with whom, the point is that the Russians are ready to shed their blood for the brothers. And the brothers cannot do even small things in return. Because of this, you see so many negative statements, which, among other things, are dictated by the emotional side. You and one of your compatriots correctly said that we, the Russians themselves, are largely to blame for the current situation. Do you know why we are called quilted jackets? Not because we are a worthless nation, but because we ourselves go in kirzach and quilted jackets, while others try to build paradise and change the world for the better. We were responsible for those whom we tamed, unlike the countries of the West, which the peoples that joined them mercilessly exploited, robbed, suppressed, and often simply destroyed. But the image of Europe, as a conglomerate of prosperous and prosperous countries, formed by Western propaganda, attracts to the EU countries such as Bulgaria, and the former Soviet republics and the countries of the former Warsaw Treaty, like the light of fire of moths. This is our fault. Naturally, the image of our country and people in the world suffers as a result of this, and enemy propaganda actively uses various cliches. Naturally, all countries choosing allies and partners for themselves do not want to exist with a "dirty and stupid" Ivan. My opinion is that first we need to make our country attractive for cooperation and alliance, so that we do not run and shout, but that other peoples see in reality what Russia is and who the Russian people are. Countries that have chosen European cooperation should have plenty of fun. Just like the Ukrainians should drink the cup of Bandera and Svidomo to the bottom, and understand what it is. I think our president also argues something like this. In general, the expansion of the borders of the so-called "Russian world" was originally dictated by the need to surround Russia with buffer states to protect against attacks by enemies of all stripes. Later, these buffer states merged into Russia, and the peoples assimilated, but at the same time retained their national identity, culture, and language. This is a radically different approach, in contrast to Western countries. In the modern world, Russia is able to protect its borders and project its interests without many buffer states. Let such states as Bulgaria have their own head hurts for their fate. Russia will no longer sacrifice its well-being. All relations between Russia and other countries should be determined by the benefit to the interests of Russia and the peoples of Russia, with the good will of the partner and mutual respect, of course. And excuse me, talking about fraternity in interstate affairs is absurd. And so, yes, the Bulgarians are a brotherly people by blood and faith, and Bulgaria is a beautiful and hospitable country. I wish you happiness and prosperity.
      1. TT1968
        TT1968 13 September 2015 12: 08 New
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        ".... the fact is that the Russians are ready to shed their blood for the brothers."
        Well, let's - pour! Here in New Russia, the Russians are fighting for their ideas, and the state of Russia is in no hurry to pour blood helping them ??? Do not rush to pour blood and to the aid of the ONLY remaining ally in the Middle East - Syria.
        How did not shed blood and for the Serbs in 1999. and gave Yugoslavia to be torn to pieces.
        And in general - stop telling tales. When Russia is FOLLOW-UP and LOYALNA to its ALLIES, then it will be possible to make claims to their disloyalty !!!
        1. brutal true
          brutal true 16 September 2015 01: 12 New
          +1
          Without Russia's support, the so-called Novorossia would be crushed in a few days. And Syria would no longer be there. In Ukraine, everything was started for one purpose: to draw Russia into conflict, to expose it in the eyes of the world community as a brutal aggressor. There is a saying: guns are the last argument of kings. This means that if you use guns, then you have already lost in more advanced methods of warfare: informational, economic, political. And the soldiers in New Russia are missing in Syria. Russia bears enormous costs in this war. No other country could withstand such pressure, and collapsed economically. And you, apparently, give mountains of corpses of Russian soldiers? From one drug trafficking from Afghanistan, with the direct support of the United States, 30000 people die in Russia every year. For 10 years of the presence of Soviet troops in Afghanistan, 10000 soldiers died, and there was no Afghan heroin. And what was Yugoslavia to help if the army was already gone? And there were enough men with machine guns in Yugoslavia. Think with your head, and not with what you have in her place on her shoulders. So this is your chatter about loyalty and consistency.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 12 September 2015 21: 03 New
    +3
    I began to relate very very ambivalently to Bulgaria and the Bulgarians. Several times since the mid-90s and after resting on the coast of Bulgaria. More often he lived with Bulgarians in private hotels in Sozopol, Pomorie, Burgas, etc. Those. in the thick of the Bulgarians. I always felt comfortable there.
    But here are the decisions of the Bulgarian authorities, that for NATO, for South. the flow and prohibition of passage grew. aircraft shows a petty desire to bite them Russia. Vile attempts.
    And since the Bulgarians themselves chose such leaders, the conclusion is sad ...
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 12 September 2015 21: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: xomaNN
      And since the Bulgarians themselves chose such leaders, the conclusion is sad ...

      And we have elections on Sunday. I guess. "Edro" will win. Moreover, convincingly! The conclusion will also be sad ...?
      Do you approve of the decisions of our government, our "leaders", especially in the sphere of economy and social sphere?
      Quote: pytar
      ... STARTED STILL STRONGER THAN I AM BULGARIN!

      +++ !!!
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 13 September 2015 23: 53 New
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        Quote: Was Mammoth
        And we have elections on Sunday. I’ll guess ....

        Guessed it! "Edro" in Ryazan-70%. Give an increase in prices and retirement age!
    2. TT1968
      TT1968 13 September 2015 12: 14 New
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      But Gorbachov and Yeltsin, the Russians themselves chose ??? And what conclusions after this ???
      In general - it’s your happiness that such a MUZHIK as Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is in power.
      I don’t want to think what will happen when he leaves. Or if he is "gone" ...
  • Angor
    Angor 12 September 2015 21: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Volga Cossack
    forgot Shipka .......... forgot very quickly.

  • but still
    but still 12 September 2015 21: 29 New
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    This article is taken out of the context of previous events. And they are as follows:

    1915 - The Russian fleet in the territorial waters of Bulgaria smashes Varna and wipes Balchik off the face of the earth. Kavarna got less.
    1913 - as a result of the inter-allied war, the neighbors took away from Bulgaria the original Bulgarian territories with the Bulgarian population (including the DOBRUJU mentioned in this article)
    1878 - Berlin Congress - Russia takes the lands of Bessarabia and Moldova (Romania claimed for them) and COMPENSES Romanians with the historical and ethnic lands of the Bulgarians - ARBWA. Moreover, Romanian politicians did not initially want to accept the lands of DOBRUJA, because knew that they are historically and ethnically Bulgarian.
    DOBRUJA - I will not list which peoples lived on this earth in the ancient period. In medieval, a Bulgarian state was formed there. The Bulgarians Asparuh together with the local population defeated the Byzantine forces at the end of the 7th century and founded the state of Bulgaria there in 681, the first capital of Bulgaria - Pliska (there were no Romanians there, there were no Vlachs and Moldavians - their principalities were formed only in The 14th century, and even before the 19th century they used the Cyrillic alphabet, were Orthodox and used the Bulgarian language in worship). Even without taking into account the historical aspect, by 1878 Dobrudja was inhabited mainly by Bulgarians.
    CONCLUSION: On the basis of the doctrine of the rulers of Russia, Moscow - the Third Rome (after the fall of Constantinople) and the desire to go to the warm seas and straits during the numerous Russian-Turkish wars in 1878, Russia reserves Bessarabia and Moldova, in whose territory Romania claimed compensating for it with Bulgarian lands, laying a time bomb with this, which resulted in numerous wars, one of which is described in this article.
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 September 2015 22: 39 New
      +4
      Statia is so tendentious and stitched with white ropes that it clearly smells of ordering! And the subsequent flurry of “comments” in the same spirit will not leave doubt that there is a question of intentional provocation! We are Bulgarians, too Russophile people and are a threat to the plans of the United States, regarding Russia. That’s why on the last day, a massive throw of anti-Bulgarian materials began, all over the Internet! This happened immediately after criticism, in the American Congress that the United States was losing the information war against Russia! Now they want to play us with the Russians!
  • Cossack Ermak
    Cossack Ermak 12 September 2015 21: 44 New
    +1
    Bulgaria’s refusal to let in Russian airplanes with humanitarian aid for Syria through its airspace was commented in the State Duma, promising to find an adequate response to such actions.

    The position of Bulgaria, which suddenly suspected that Russian planes could carry weapons to Syria, was considered unfriendly in the Russian parliament.

    According to State Duma Deputy Speaker Nikolai Levichev, the Bulgarian leadership, by whatever decision it dictated, joined the camp of opponents of the current system of international relations. And the refusal of Russian planes to fly over humanitarian aircraft with humanitarian aid is an inhuman and short-sighted move, he said.
    "Other flight routes have already been found for Russian planes, but the path of confrontation with Russia that official Sofia has embarked on will definitely not benefit the Bulgarian people. We will remember such an unfriendly move and find an adequate answer to it," said the vice speaker.
  • pytar
    pytar 12 September 2015 22: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: RUSNAC
    In 1914 there was no choice - Germany declared war on the Russian Empire, I had to fight. Bulgaria had such a choice. If the Bulgarians did the right thing, then Adrianople was rightfully annexed in 1918, but the hatred of Serbia turned out to be stronger.

    Russia had a choice! Russia is a great country! She herself can choose friends and allies! In small countries, the choice is always limited, and often there is no choice! We never needed Adrianople! We do not need anything else! We want our own and we will not give our own to anyone! These are the ONE RIGHT choice for us! Our attitude towards Serbia is really ambiguous. Especially after she attacked us in the back in 1885, and even later in the Balkan war, being in conspiracy with Greece, she occupied Macedonia. Often, the significance of Macedonia for Bulgaria is compared with the significance of Ukraine, for Russia. This is not entirely true. For Bulgaria, Macedonia is something much more important! Eto like Petersburg, for Russia! The second heart of the Bulgarian soul! Sobirayus write a article on these issues. nadyus will find time. Ksati, you write RUSNAK, Bulgaria, Bulgaria, as if in Bulgarian, and not in Russian! What nationality are you, if not a secret?
    1. TT62
      TT62 13 September 2015 15: 12 New
      0
      Why did you kick Serbia and Macedonia badly in the 90s. To write about the distant past, you had to live then, write about the fact that you have lived.
  • pytar
    pytar 12 September 2015 22: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: Konsov02
    Aggressive illiteracy or good troll?

    E that and that. good
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 September 2015 23: 02 New
    +2
    To summarize ... We were brothers ... When, all Russia gathered help, to the Bulgarian rebels, in 1876, when Bulgaria was liberated 1877-78, the brotherhood was sealed with blood .. During the period of "totalitarianism" .. Russia is blamed for the USSR Gorbachev’s era betrayed everyone, but it was such .. But that all the Slavic brothers .. didn’t take the initiative .. meeting of the Communist Parties, get together and discuss, tell Gorbatom what you are doing? And they supported perestroika .. East Germans held on to the end .. the only ones of all .. Well, oh well .. It seems to me that we will again become brothers, Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, Bulgarians, Yugoslavs, when Europe is rotten, it will simply abandon these countries, due to its problems .. and they will be annually to grow .. so the world, from unipolar, becomes multipolar again .. And Eastern Europe will turn, again facing Russia, in silk pants, but already without a Schengen visa .. Poland will say, I remember, we once built ships for CMEA, can you order? And then Europe was not needed .. Hungarians, they will declare that we did Ikuras ... maybe again .. Bulgarians, and remember we had joint projects in radio electronics .. and we jointly developed computers, or maybe all over again ...? AND?
    1. but still
      but still 13 September 2015 00: 01 New
      0
      I approve. The world should not be unipolar - there must be a balance. But still, I am for the friendly and partnership relations of ALL Europe and Russia, i.e. EU and EAEU.
    2. saenara
      saenara 13 September 2015 10: 20 New
      0
      Exactly. Where it is more profitable - there are brothers.
      And about the "friend is in trouble" no one will remember.
    3. TT62
      TT62 13 September 2015 15: 22 New
      +1
      Only business, and nothing personal. Not any "bros", we go around the market looking for where cheaper gas and other sweets, do not offer sex.
  • pytar
    pytar 12 September 2015 23: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: DJDJ GOSHA
    In World War I, Italy was not an adversary of the Entente, and consequently of Russia. 2 by history.

    During WWI, Italy, until the last possible moment, hesitated on whose side to participate and where it could receive more dividends. Finally, she entered Entente, but the Italian soldiers with no military feats were not noted. Ksati here on the site there is a very detailed and interesting article on this issue.
  • Know-nothing
    Know-nothing 12 September 2015 23: 24 New
    0
    http://birserg-1977.livejournal.com/422075.html

    On 6 of September 1916, the Bulgarian units entered into battle with the 61th Infantry Division of the Russian army in Dobrudja. “On this day, once and for all, the legend was buried that the Bulgarian troops would not fight against their Russian liberators,” wrote General Toshev, commander of the 3 th Bulgarian army, on this occasion.
    From the military journal of the 243-th Kholmsky regiment: “In the bayonet battle, the rank and file of the 14-th company Goryainov, who killed the 4’s Bulgarians and Corporal Utkin, who killed the Bulgarian, wounded Goryainov, was also killed, but also killed
    Historian Astashov A. B. on the assessment of Bulgarians by Russians.


    1. Angor
      Angor 12 September 2015 23: 48 New
      0
      Yes, they fought with the Russian-Romanian troops when they crossed the border. And they drove them to the border (Russian-Romanian troops). There they stopped, although they could not stop.

      Read everything, boy, do not rush, life is long drinks
    2. pytar
      pytar 13 September 2015 00: 09 New
      +5
      And you do not ask yourself the question, WHY did the Bulgarian soldiers fight so fiercely? Did not give up, did not retreat, were not afraid of death? Why fought so stubbornly? The answer is exactly on the fourth line in the scanned sheet above! ARRIVAL! Because they fought in their own land and for their own land, against the invaders and occupiers! It can be seen that you do not know where Dobruzhda is located and what is the first piece of Bulgarian land on the Balkan Peninsula, where Bulgarians have been living for 1300 years! When someone comes to my house to kill my children, wife, father and mother, and I will fight, to the last! PMV is for us a FAIR, DOMESTIC WAR! For that, all the Bulgarian people fought as one! We did not come to you, but you come to us with unkind intentions! You came to help Romanians, Serbs, Greeks, who a year ago / In 1913 / occupied a third of Bulgaria and sowed my sonarodniki! Not us, but you were on the wrong side! WE WERE NOT WAR AGAINST YOU, AND YOU WAR AGAINST US! We liberated the same lands that RUSSIA had already RELEASED in 1978, and then, upon compulsion and under the threat of a new war, returned to the Turks, following the results of the Berlin Treaty! People! Calm down! Stop writing all sorts of nonsense! You are Russian! How are you so brainwashed? fool What is happening ?! belay
      1. TT62
        TT62 13 September 2015 15: 30 New
        +1
        What did Russia release and return in 1978? Errors in words are forgiven, but there is no such “history buff” as you in the dates of forgiveness.
        1. but still
          but still 14 September 2015 05: 46 New
          0
          Well, why do you use letters?
        2. pytar
          pytar 14 September 2015 11: 02 New
          +2
          Especially for the "professional history" TT62:
          Map of Bulgaria under the Sanstefan Peace Treaty - 03.03.1878
          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Sanstefanska_Bulgaria.png
          The territory almost completely coincides with the territory of the Bulgarian Orthodox Exarchy, according to the plebiscite held in the Ottoman Empire in 27.02.1870. The people in this territory self-identified as the Bulgarian Orthodox people! And down, a map of what remains of Bulgaria, after the Berlin Treaty - 13.07.1878. Deputy: East Rumelia - the Ottoman province remains with an autonomous status.
          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Bulgaria_after_Congress_of_B
          erlin_in_1878.png
    3. but still
      but still 13 September 2015 00: 12 New
      0
      Well, of course, "the Romanian troops did not show the proper perseverance" - they did not fight for their land!
    4. The stranger
      The stranger 13 September 2015 01: 33 New
      -1
      And you ask the British and French what they had when they fought with ours on the Southern Front. They still cannot forgive. This was a massacre, although all the time superiority in forces and means was with them. Horror went crazy with their mouths.
      1. pytar
        pytar 13 September 2015 01: 51 New
        +2
        My child fought there. The French brought their Moroccan corps. Wild Africans sowed terror among the local population. When the Bulgarian soldiers found out what the creatures of the creatures were doing, they asked their commanders to give orders for the attack. Finally, an order was given and ours crushed the Moroccans where they had military contact with him. After that, the Chernogopians who remained alive were only hearing that the Bulgarians would come, they left their positions and fled in horror. There was a rumor among them that bullets did not "catch" the Bulgarians. FACT: HUNDREDS IN BULGARIAN MUSEUMS HAVE CONSERVED HUNDREDS OF FOLLOWED ALIEN BANNERS, BUT NEVER, NEVER, None OF THE BULGARIAN MILITARY BANNERS HAVE BEEN FOUND AT THE ENEMY!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 13 September 2015 00: 02 New
    +3
    Now, with regard to historical memory .... I’ll tell about myself .. I appreciate the help of the Yugoslav partisans, who pulled over several German divisions during the Great Patriotic War, the military community of Polish, Czechoslovak, Romanian military units created on the territory The Soviet Union, who fought shoulder to shoulder with Soviet soldiers, the invaluable help of the anti-fascist underground in Bulgaria .. Together, Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, the USSR .. defeated the Ukronazists .. Bandera .. But for each country in Eastern Europe .. I have a separate account ... Here the Bulgarian "brothers" are accused of Russia, the charges of "barbaric" shelling of Varna and Balchik in 1916 were not supposed to be right, we are "brothers" .. Only the "brothers" .. they forgot on whose side they were and in whose German submarines and cruisers Geben and Breslau were based in the ports .. This is by the way .. I don’t like the alternatives, but imagine, the "brothers", if Bulgaria, sided with the Entente ... Invaluable help to the Serbs .. in their confrontation with Austria-Hungary .. And most importantly e, the Bulgarian army, from land, and the Russian Black Sea Fleet from the sea .. at the gates of Istanbul .. It would be symbolic .. But alas, this did not happen ... Instead, they gave shelter to the German robbers who were shelling, the Black Sea cities of Russia ..and here your conscience doesn’t torment .. The Germans fired, you have nothing to do with it .. you are “brothers” ... And finally, “brothers” .. don’t forget to whom you owe, the restoration of your statehood, which you did not have 500 years ... and who are you now blaming for all mortal sins and to whom you are shitting ... That you are shitting, do not forget too .. And do not say that your government is to blame .. you chose him ..
    1. but still
      but still 13 September 2015 00: 34 New
      +2
      Did you read Peter's comment that the First World War was a war for the Bulgarians? I fully support the opinion of Peter. And on my own I will add - Bulgaria fought only for its Bulgarian lands, taken from its neighbors under the auspices of Russia. Do you call Germans German robbers? Say what you like, but the Germans are correct towards their allies, and indeed they have a strong sense of justice. The fact that Hitler confused the Germans - that is, that is. And there is a background to this. As there is a background to the revolution / coup in Russia and the subsequent regime. And in many wars, the Russians kissed the gums with the Germans! And you know that very well! What is the joint friendship parade worth, which the Germans called the "Victory Parade" in Brest in 1939 ?!
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 13 September 2015 01: 49 New
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        Do you call Germans German robbers? Say what you like, but the Germans are correct towards their allies, and indeed their sense of justice is highly developed..Oh yeah! During the Great Patriotic War, the Bulgarian trophy part stood in Vysheteblievskaya, the Germans didn’t take it for themselves, the Bulgarians cleaned up .. Two Bulgarians, they lodged with my grandmother .. I promised one when Germany defeats Russia, I’ll return to Vysshebelievskaya, open a hotel with a restaurant, grandmother to take with his children the older uncle Stefan, he promised the managers to do it, they say his eyes were honest .. But somehow it didn’t grow together .. Nooo they swore love for the Russian people, they said we don’t shoot Russians .. And in many wars, the Russians kissed the gums with the Germans!.. Well, list one? I’ll name it ... the border campaign of the Russian army, opposite Napoleon, but then they kissed ... they were "brothers" in arms .. True, a year earlier, the same Germans were beaten as part of Napoleon’s army .. A parade in Brest? The official procedure for the transfer of the city of Brest and the Brest Fortress to the Soviet side during the German invasion of Poland. The procedure ended with the solemn descent of the German and the raising of the Soviet flags. In the federal military archive in Germany, in the documents of the top leadership of the second tank group there is a document “Vereinbarung mit sowjetischen Offizieren über die Überlassung von Brest-Litowsk” (“Agreement with Soviet officers on the transfer of Brest-Litovsk” ), dated September 21.09.1939, XNUMX. It, in particular, indicates:
        14:00: Beginning of the passage of the ceremonial march (Vorbeimarsch) of Russian and German troops in front of the commanders of both sides, followed by a change of flags. During the change of flags, music plays national anthems. The event was filmed by the German propaganda service Die Deutsche Wochenschau. The event was filmed by the German propaganda service Die Deutsche Wochenschau. You tell me other wars, tell me where we still kissed the gums with the Germans .. By the way, the Russian army twice took Berlin in 1760 and in 1945 ..
  • taviskaron
    taviskaron 13 September 2015 00: 03 New
    +2
    Yeah, how did the territories taken from the neighboring Balkan countries. And nothing that these countries took these lands from Bulgaria, moreover, in a place with Turkey during the second Balkan war, and this despite the fact that together they defeated Turkey during the first Balkan. But the Romanians, before joining the Entente first, sold all their crops to the Triple Alliance, and then demanded that they be supplied with everything the Russian Empire needed.
  • pytar
    pytar 13 September 2015 00: 16 New
    +2
    Exactly! good Respect! hi
  • but still
    but still 13 September 2015 00: 37 New
    -1
    Yes sir! Respect! yes
  • pytar
    pytar 13 September 2015 00: 45 New
    +2
    My grandfather, along with all his 7 brothers, fought in the WWI, on the Macedonian front. When they declared war, he was still not full-time. And his brothers go and record! We agreed and deceived the commission to grow. That he did as a volunteer! When they entered Macedonia, the people were so happy that the streets were mishandled with flowers! Grandfather said that he did not see where he steps because of the colored "carpet". And those Bulgarian soldiers and officers who were natives of the same Macedonia led their colleagues and showed where their houses and cornfields were. The bones of their relatives of the killed Serbs a year ago were not yet buried. Burnt, destroyed houses .... 1913 d. How will the soldiers not fight to the last, and how will they not hate the Serbs and Greeks, after which they created?