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Coup in Donetsk - opinion

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Coup in Donetsk - opinionHonestly, I didn’t want to comment on what is happening now in Donetsk, but reading the articles of some analysts and bloggers still forced me to do it.


I recently returned from Donetsk, where I worked for almost three months. Communication with servicemen was not in vain, and real information about what is happening in the republic, you want it or not, it has been postponed in memory.

Why am I doing this? Oh yes! Reading the latest articles about the coup, I noticed one fact. They are all, even Ischenko, trying to convince me that this is a purely political conflict. It seems that the DNI is such a caramel republic, where everything is fine. There are no organized criminal groups attached to the power, there are no cash flows that go nowhere, there are no basements and wringing out, etc. Everything is fine there. But Pushilin and Purgin just didn’t have a bit of a match for political views. And Pushilin, it turns out, is convenient for the Kremlin, because it fulfills orders, and does not argue like Purgin. And Purgin, it turns out, built the Novorossiysk fairy tale ... That’s the type of dreamer. And why did Gubarev show up? And of course with the words about what kind of Synga Purgin ...

Gentlemen, is this your pink circus for whom it is intended? On the overwhelming mass of the people? Yes, of course, in Donetsk, the war has gotten everyone so much that people have only one dream - that everything ends, but this does not mean that the residents of the DPR are delighted with lawlessness. They do not want ordinary gangsters to come to power following the war with the Nazis. Moreover, if these bandits seem to be "coordinated with the Kremlin." In addition, in the DPR, I have not met a single person who would say at least one good word about Pushilin, etc. As for me, I would not trust him to guard the chamber pot.

I have a really cognitive dissonance between what I have seen and heard with what we are trying to teach the Runet. You should not look for the “hand of the Kremlin” in the Donetsk events. This, I'm sorry, just insults the Kremlin. The Kremlin definitely has no hands that grow from such a place. Too .... everything is clumsy. Not that the Kremlin could not arrange a change of power - but (thank God) such delightful idiots do not do these things for the time being. And the more belated are the belated attempts to justify the action of the putschists.

Sorry for the emotions. Just got it.
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  1. domokl
    domokl 8 September 2015 06: 10 New
    +29
    Bravo! I agree completely. I hear the exact same words from many Donetsk people. Mayhem, which has nothing to do with the construction of its state ..
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 8 September 2015 07: 32 New
      +6
      One gets the impression that in the DPR there are no management personnel, not only at the state level, but also at the regional level. Purgin, born in 1976, (according to Vick 1972) higher education in special. computer information technology. Engaged in small business.
      Pushilin, born in 1981, seemed to study, but did not finish. Small business. Traded caramel cocks and other sweets. It seems that even the dealer worked in a casino. About the designer, "people's guber" we also heard.
      Neither in Mininy, nor in Pozharsky are as if suited. You cannot build a state with one revolutionary fervor. Of course there are experts. But are the authorities listed for them persons who simply have to have their own professional opinion on issues of construction and government?
    3. Irbis
      8 September 2015 08: 08 New
      +4
      The struggle is a struggle, but the main question is the legality of what happened:
      http://www.novorosinform.org/articles/id/1854
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 8 September 2015 09: 31 New
        +7
        Quote: Irbis
        The fight is the struggle, but the main question is the legality of what happened

        Legality under the capitalist system, moreover, during the period of hostilities, general chaos is a very relative concept. The main thing is not the rule of law, but the absence of ideology and the ultimate goal. And the laws can be written by anyone who pays his grandmother, he orders the music.
        1. Irbis
          8 September 2015 09: 46 New
          +5
          Quote: Svetlana
          Legality under the capitalist system, moreover, during the period of hostilities, general chaos is a very relative concept. The main thing is not the rule of law, but the absence of ideology and the ultimate goal. And the laws can be written by anyone who pays his grandmother, he orders the music.

          Legality in wartime is an absolute concept. Otherwise, the state will fall apart.
          That is why legal procedures are somewhat simplified, and punishments are tougher. And nothing else. In peacetime, for speculation or theft of what?
          And in the war for this shot.
          1. dmb
            dmb 8 September 2015 10: 52 New
            +4
            Dear Alexei, what do you call the state? I'm not ironic at all, but trying to understand. In particular, I wonder if there is a state bank in the DPR, LPR that has the right to issue bank notes secured by gold as the generally accepted basis for money circulation. Agree, this is one of the main signs, without which the state is such only on paper. Pan Ataman Gritsko had no Tauride gold reserve, and he was ataman, and his lads were a gang. Well, not to consider Pugachev as the head of state fighting against Russia, only on the grounds that he also had colleges in the army. I do not dispute the righteousness of the people of Donbass in their struggle. But without Russia, republics would have ceased to exist long ago, like Kosovo without the support of the United States or Karabakh without Armenia. Another question, but why is it for the Russian authorities? Everything is clear with the people. But the power? There are only gesheft, who have nothing in common with the interests of the people.
            1. Irbis
              8 September 2015 11: 14 New
              +8
              I can answer in your spirit. Ukraine as a state would cease to exist a year ago without the support of the United States. Even with a bank that has not been printing anything for a long time. So the reference to Russia is not appropriate. It is not clear just what is the question regarding the statehood of the DPR? All the required structures are available, the constitution and legislation are, etc. The only negative ... The DPR now resembles Russia very much in the era of the Seven Bankers. Or are you interested in the bank that prints money? What for? There is nothing more to do? Everything else is present and works poorly. At least on the same level as in Ukraine.

              Not recognition of the DNI by the "global community"? Yes, do not care about this community. You do not want to, but this is a state, small, developing, at war, but a state.
              1. taram taramych
                taram taramych 8 September 2015 11: 36 New
                +1
                How come that
                Quote: Irbis
                All required structures
                , profukali "volts" in the higher echelon.
                1. Irbis
                  8 September 2015 11: 48 New
                  +2
                  Quote: taram taramych
                  , profukali "volts" in the higher echelon.

                  And you do not know how to do it? Gradually, their people are put in key places and that's it ... You, like bud, did not live in 90. How did it happen that all state structures of the profukali of the Russian Federation?
              2. dmb
                dmb 8 September 2015 12: 54 New
                -1
                I'm afraid you still did not understand me. A bank is not just an institution printing money. This and Gritski Tauris did. Only they were not money. It turns out that the hryvnia, issued to the population as pensions and wages, are still provided by Ukraine, even if the latter is empty in your pocket. By the way, what about taxes, they are generally collected? And at the expense of what means any service is paid, at least military, even civil. Structures produce nothing. Once again, I ask the questions not for that. to stab you or to doubt the fairness of actions of the Donetsk people. I fully admit that you simply do not know the answer to my questions.
                1. Irbis
                  8 September 2015 13: 19 New
                  +1
                  I'm afraid you still did not understand me. A bank is not just an institution printing money. This and Gritski Tauris did. Only they were not money. It turns out that the hryvnia, issued to the population as pensions and wages, are still provided by Ukraine, even if the latter is empty in your pocket. By the way, what about taxes, they are generally collected? And at the expense of what means any service is paid, at least military, even civil. Structures produce nothing. Once again, I ask the questions not for that. to stab you or to doubt the fairness of actions of the Donetsk people. I fully admit that you simply do not know the answer to my questions.

                  Everything is there. Both enterprises work, and taxes are collected, and the army is in principle almost completely under a single command, and pensions are paid, and salaries, etc. etc. Or do you think that in Donetsk people live like a god at heart? And all this roughly from scratch was raised in less than a year.

                  You just have a stupid question in and of itself. For a year and a half we have been talking about the existence of two popular republics. What is a republic? Form of government. As a result, you ask me if a state exists on the territory of a state. This is what your question looks like.

                  Therefore, it is not clear what you want to know.
              3. baltika-18
                baltika-18 8 September 2015 19: 29 New
                +2
                Quote: dmb
                . In particular, I wonder if there is a DNR, LC

                DNR and LC, in principle, have not existed since the signing of “Minsk Protocol” by Zakharchnko and Plotnitsky. This intricate design is referred to as “Separate districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions with special status.” old-fashioned DNR, LC. laughing
            2. Legionnaire14
              Legionnaire14 8 September 2015 12: 43 New
              +1
              I do not believe that you do not understand.
            3. KaPToC
              KaPToC 8 September 2015 13: 35 New
              +3
              Quote: dmb
              Well, not to consider Pugachev as the head of state fighting against Russia, only on the grounds that he also had colleges in the army.

              We do not know what the Pugachevs had, the Romanovs gave him out as a robber. For example, Suvorov led ten times larger troops east than to Europe.
            4. gav6757
              gav6757 8 September 2015 15: 42 New
              0
              Today, the existence of a bank issuing money is not a sign of statehood!
              Otherwise, the United States-is not a state-in! States print money, but these pieces of paper are not backed by the country's gold reserves, as in other matters, and by anything else.
              If you have the opportunity, then you can also print money. Another question about the circulation of this money. An example is the Moldavian-Transnistrian republic. At the beginning of its existence, its bank glued stamps on Soviet rubles, and this money was calculated on the territory of the republic.
              So that everything happens !!!
          2. Svetlana
            Svetlana 8 September 2015 15: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: Irbis
            Legality in wartime is an absolute concept. Otherwise, the state will fall apart.
            That is why legal procedures are somewhat simplified, and punishments are tougher. And nothing else. In peacetime, for speculation or theft of what?
            And in the war for this shot.

            Laws written in wartime by the state, the process of formation of which began (and still continues) during the war, when in the hands of leapfrog, cannot meet all the principles of a full-fledged state. Laws should be written by the legitimate authority chosen by the people in peacetime, and not dictated by the need for wartime. Otherwise, the one who has more weapons or money will always be right. Even in a still peaceful Russia, only ordinary people are required to comply with laws, and for those who publish them, the law is not written. If the republic claims the right to be called popular, then laws should be written by the people and in compliance with the rights of the people. And they must comply with all, without exception. In the meantime, the rule of law in LDNR, apparently, is a draft that can be added or rewritten in the course of action. And this is not done by the people, but by people who have made their way to power.
            1. Irbis
              8 September 2015 16: 49 New
              +3
              It is always a pleasure to talk with a smart person :-) So ... "It’s not the only mistake who does nothing" and "If you think you can do better? Do it!" Since you know how to make a sub-state (this is just your subjective opinion, I'm afraid more than 2 million citizens of LDNR will not understand you in this matter) you come and start explaining to the local politicians and people what a state is. It's easy! They are stupid and not educated, and only you Svetlana can direct the true path ...

              I'm sorry for sarcasm.

              Whatever power in the DNI was not good or good, it is. It is legitimate because it is chosen by the people. How these people dispose of power is another matter. There is a Constitution and there is a law adopted by the legal representatives of the people - deputies. The mere fact that there is no anarchy at the moment on the territory of the DPR suggests that the state is working. If you violate the rules of the road you will be fined. Appear drunk on the street after 23 - you will work out a day of community service. Caught on looting - will be shot.

              It would be the height of impassable stupidity to assume that there are only thieves and gangsters in power there. This is sorry to violate even the simplest statistical error. Even among thieves there are decent people with concepts.
              1. Irbis
                8 September 2015 17: 05 New
                +2
                Even if LDNR were a circle of interests with its charter, the removal of the deputy director in violation of the procedure established by the charter of this organization is illegal. Even if you have not registered this organization in the tax. This organization is considered to be created from the moment of signing the protocol on creation ... Everything is complete! Protocol on the creation LDNR there? There is! Is there a charter? Constitution! Everything! What other questions could there be?
      2. WKS
        WKS 8 September 2015 11: 10 New
        +3
        What turbulence has brought to the surface is floating. Too quick processes took place in the Donbass to judge the quality of political figures.
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 8 September 2015 12: 42 New
          +2
          Honestly, I no longer understand what is happening in the DPR and LPR. The information and statements are the most contradictory - either complete independence, now together, then separately, now New Russia, then Russian passports.
        2. ava09
          ava09 8 September 2015 12: 43 New
          +1
          The quality of political figures is assessed not by the transience of processes, but by the presence of a worthy ideology embedded in these figures and adamant adherence to a goal determined by this very ideology. Turbulence has nothing to do with it; it seems to you that the “wave of revolutions” is taking to power. Yes, this can happen at the initial stage, but the process in the Donbass has been going on for such events long enough for those with real power to remove random people from the administration.
    4. Conn
      Conn 8 September 2015 20: 21 New
      -1
      Nonsense is complete! Throw away from svіdomyh for imbeciles!
  2. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 8 September 2015 06: 12 New
    +7
    In all this leapfrog, I don’t even know who to give preference to. I don’t understand anything in these cockroach races.
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 8 September 2015 06: 48 New
      0
      Similar sensations.
    2. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 8 September 2015 08: 54 New
      0
      I don’t understand anything in these cockroach races.

      And what is there, in fact, to understand? what A tote - he is - a tote. lol In any situation, "real boys" will eventually come to power (see "The History of the Development of the Russian Crimea" wink ).
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 September 2015 06: 20 New
    +1
    everything is muddy there, but here is one of the versions .....
  4. Roust
    Roust 8 September 2015 06: 24 New
    0
    Why further stir up where everything is already muddy ...?
  5. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 8 September 2015 06: 32 New
    +2
    "... these bandits seem to be" agreed with the Kremlin. "

    "He is of course a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch," this is the United States about Somosa, but it looks like
  6. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 8 September 2015 06: 33 New
    +14
    From the outside, the basis of what is happening in Donetsk is seen as follows: the local oligarch Akhmetov, after the coup, was one step away from losing his business and began to act using all his opportunities, but they are not small. His personal resistance to the new junta could not bring any meaningful result and he decided to use the people. The opposition of the Bandera junta that had matured among the people needed to be directed in a certain direction, then Strelkov appeared to help people defend their land, but without the support of the material base, the militia could not survive, a volunteer movement and not only appeared. The Donetsk oligarch got into this popular movement, and from different angles, the curators of the Kremlin are also primarily businessmen and want to have their own gesheft here, and as a result, we see what is happening - the militia leaders are removed by all means, giving the movement of generous blood to the patriots the configuration necessary for the continuation of a successful business, in which the opinion of the people has no weight, is the main business.
    1. ArcanAG
      ArcanAG 8 September 2015 08: 00 New
      +1
      To go nuts. The Kremlin turns out Akhmetov’s project and its goal is to preserve the assets of the oligarch)))

      And Purgin is apparently the leader of the militia.
  7. IGMIT
    IGMIT 8 September 2015 06: 33 New
    +1
    We will continue to monitor where this all leads.
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 8 September 2015 17: 13 New
      0
      We will continue to monitor where this all leads.


      I don’t need to go to the grandmother with what is going on and going on there. This will not end with anything good for ordinary people.
  8. Rom14
    Rom14 8 September 2015 07: 18 New
    +4
    .. should steer the one who sheds blood in the fight against the Nazis, and not cabinet ones .., according to any scenario, there was and will be a bickering between them.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 8 September 2015 10: 41 New
      +2
      So then it is. Strelkov, even when he was still in office, the commander-in-chief of the DPR honestly said that professionals should steer, and he is simply a military man in terms of tactics. The figures as a national leader in LDN are not visible at all. Who is not, and who is farther.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 September 2015 07: 28 New
    +2
    Hedgehog it is clear that Akhmetov has not gone anywhere, and his ears are stuck in the Donbass, because of every bush there. Someday, after a few years, a brave man will write a book about this war. In which the interests of the Donetsk against the Dnepropetrovsk clans were protected by thousands of people with weapons in their hands, and they also tried to drag Russia into this. Not everything in this war is obvious and transparent, but, IMHO, for the most part, it is correct on the part of the LPR, and the victory will be theirs.
  10. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 8 September 2015 07: 34 New
    +1
    And it will lead to the fact that Putin does not rapidly begin to clean up the filthy creatures that are seated in the government, ministries, etc. and does not begin to build a sovereign social state, then everything will end sadly. The Russian people will have to do this themselves, and even, perhaps, simultaneously with the armed confrontation against the Anglo-Saxons and Zionists.
    145 people, and uninitiated, mediocre, unscrupulous, insane, stupid thieves clans clung to power. From all over the country, Mr. surfaced. In fact, the 000s did not disappear, they just changed their appearance. Mayhem, as it was, remained, only in places legalized. And where, then, in Donetsk, stability and progress come from when we have a full orgy of our own.
    1. oracul
      oracul 8 September 2015 08: 39 New
      +1
      And volleys of thousands of guns, merged into a long howl .... Well, an obvious bust in the estimates !?
    2. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 8 September 2015 13: 46 New
      +1
      So, according to the Constitution, we have a sovereign social state. Already 25 years old. And so? Will the guarantor and Shuvalov be built either by friend and comrade Rotenberg?
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 8 September 2015 07: 57 New
    +6
    From the first information, we can draw a couple of conclusions:
    1 The deficit of managers affected the entire territory of the former Ukraine, including the DNI and LC
    2 The transition to a peaceful economy leads to problems within the leadership of the military.
    3 Republics still do not have a consolidated path to the future, there is no development program, they have not decided yet
  12. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 8 September 2015 08: 17 New
    +7
    I look at the events in Novorossiya and someone’s words come to my mind: "Ideological" theorists prepare revolutions, active enthusiasts-fighters for freedom commit themselves, and villains use its fruits "! And it seems that nothing has changed in this world over the past centuries, Novorossia is a vivid example of this! The oligarchs once again fooled the people to solve their vile tasks!
    1. Erg
      Erg 8 September 2015 09: 23 New
      +5
      I also remembered the phrase. I don’t remember whose. "There is only one revolution - the revolution of consciousness. Everything else is the distillation of human meat into loot. A slave is not able to create a free state, but can become an even more fierce master." hi
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 8 September 2015 14: 32 New
        +1
        I read your comment and remembered the words of my grandmother (she lived 102 years): "... From Pan Pan TAN-PAN, and from Hama Pan, then HAM ..."! Although the old woman was illiterate, she was wise (Poltava in origin) peasant woman)! And the proverb is Ukrainian !!!!
  13. Irbis
    8 September 2015 08: 24 New
    +4
    Honestly I say that I did not see the total outrage that was before (from the stories). As for ordinary residents, it concerns them precisely in terms of wages and prices. I was shocked when I saw gasoline at 52 rubles per liter, it is cheaper in Kamchatka. I don’t know about pensions, but I saw how old people get it, but salaries ... For example, the salary of a militia soldier in the area of ​​8000 hryvnia is official, but when the rate is paid at most half and not always. A great incentive for a man who will go into battle tomorrow. And the money does not get stuck on junior commanders because they are in the same situation as the subordinates, but much higher ... And so it is everywhere.

    I listened to a story on a bus about one of the officers, for some reason, traveling to Rostov from Donetsk. I got to Rostov from the third time almost on foot, the previous two times his car was confiscated at the Russian border, as they were listed as hijacked.

    Just as an example of real life there. And so a lot of stories.
    1. RiverVV
      RiverVV 8 September 2015 08: 34 New
      +1
      I wonder what salary an ordinary Red Army soldier had in 1919? Poor Donbass ... I recently read on Rusvesna that the water park was restored in Donetsk. Do they seem to be bombarded there? It was probably hard to repair the water park.
      1. Irbis
        8 September 2015 08: 51 New
        +4
        Incorrect comparison. And absolutely. People need something to eat, and in the shops products are sold for such papers and metal roundels. Enter grocery cards and then maybe people will not need money. Prohibit the cash turnover in general and everything will be fine and then your comment will be appropriate.
        1. RiverVV
          RiverVV 8 September 2015 11: 01 New
          +1
          That is, let the children of the workers go hungry, but will we restore the water park anyway? Clear...
          If you did not notice, I did not compare anything. Just asked, and what salary was paid to the Red Army at that time? Or was there a ration? Then how many calories did the Council of People's Commissars appoint them?
          Council of People's Commissars ... Appointed ... Is the hint understood? Or maybe Putin is personally paying the salary in hryvnias to the ordinary militia?
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 8 September 2015 14: 51 New
            0
            Quote: RiverVV
            That is, let the children of the workers go hungry, but will we restore the water park anyway? Clear...
            If you did not notice, I did not compare anything. Just asked and what salary was paid to the Red Army at that time? Or was there a ration? Then how many calories did the Council of People's Commissars appoint them?
            Council of People's Commissars ... Appointed ... Is the hint understood? Or maybe Putin is personally paying the salary in hryvnias to the ordinary militia?

            ====
            time is different and people
      2. Azovian
        Azovian 9 September 2015 06: 08 New
        +1
        And why was it put into operation? The end of August is already cool. And who will trample on him? There is no money, no work, war. Yes, and shells flew there. Beggars people. My children and grandchildren perceive this as an insult. Salary is not paid for six months. Purely propaganda step.
  14. provincial
    provincial 8 September 2015 08: 32 New
    +1
    Conclusion, someone is fighting, and someone is sharing grandmothers preparing to live in any situation in the Donbas he will be Ukrainian, independent or under the Russian Federation. I advise residents of the DNI to delve into what their leaders are doing, and not live by the principle of "approving." These "guides" will lead where they want, then disappear. There may be a disappointment in the struggle for independence.
  15. oracul
    oracul 8 September 2015 09: 01 New
    +1
    Did someone really admit the idea that everything would go without a hitch? And conspiracies, and betrayal, and theft on an especially large scale, and human meanness, and the purity of thoughts and deeds, and the struggle for justice, and the willingness to help one's neighbor, and compassion, etc. etc. Everything takes place in one bottle of civil war.
    It is important not to hysteria, not to lose sight of the main thing, not to succumb to provocations, not to create idols (like Strelkov-Girkin).
    Global confrontation is growing in the world: the USA, the EU, NATO and their satellites, on the one hand, Russia, China and those who have joined them, on the other. This, I hope everyone understands this, is not about millions, but billions of people who are drawn into this confrontation in various ways (even if this is a passive agreement and approval of actions to interfere in other people's affairs thousands of kilometers from their borders). Our cause is just, because we defend the independence of our country, the right to live as we like, and not as someone wants, and we help others do it.
    1. Erg
      Erg 8 September 2015 09: 30 New
      +1
      Beautifully reported. Yes, and right. It's just that people are already tired of this mess ... hi
  16. Burmistr
    Burmistr 8 September 2015 09: 21 New
    0
    article minus, just rubbish
  17. Buffalo
    Buffalo 8 September 2015 09: 22 New
    +6
    Neither Pushilin nor Plotnitsky are at war, as are Tsarev. These are Surkov's henchmen, who were put in the chairs of the leaders during the visit of Kurginyan. Their authority, among the militia, not what. They stay solely due to the fact that all supply from Russia goes through them.
    Companions Strelkova consistently expelled. Brain was so authoritative in New Russia that apparently they did not dare to arrest him. There was simply nothing to compromise him with - he was unrestrained.
    They decided to destroy him. It cannot be otherwise - 2 assassination attempts within 100 days! Obviously, information about the movements of the Brain was leaked to the enemy.
    Earlier, Akinfeev, who headed the state security service, was expelled. He was one of the two leaders of Transnistria, who successfully survived in similar conditions of confrontation with the superior forces of Moldova. But Plotnitsky and Pushilin are analogues of Evnevich and Lebed, in Transnistria they are mishandled Cossacks, whose goal is to drain New Russia. And today, thanks to their activities, they are closer than ever to achieving the goal.
    Surkov (real name - Dudaev) is the enemy!
    1. mervino2007
      mervino2007 8 September 2015 09: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Bison
      Brain was so authoritative in New Russia that apparently they did not dare to arrest him. There was simply nothing to compromise him with - he was unrestrained.

      He tried to nationalize enterprises so that not only taxes, but also a large part of the profits went to the needs of the republic. And these enterprises are the property of Akhmetov. Brain thought that he could resist Akhmetov. This requires the support of relevant politicians. But, like everywhere else, the oligarchs rule the ball ....
    2. mervino2007
      mervino2007 8 September 2015 09: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Bison
      Brain was so authoritative in New Russia that apparently they did not dare to arrest him. There was simply nothing to compromise him with - he was unrestrained.

      He tried to nationalize enterprises so that not only taxes, but also a large part of the profits went to the needs of the republic. And these enterprises are the property of Akhmetov. Brain thought that he could resist Akhmetov. This requires the support of relevant politicians. But, like everywhere else, the oligarchs rule the ball ....
    3. kepmor
      kepmor 8 September 2015 12: 36 New
      +2
      And who is behind Surkov? Correctly-FSBshno-St. Petersburg "tusnya"
  18. Bor
    Bor 8 September 2015 10: 54 New
    0
    There should be no struggle for power in a state that exists only at the expense of Russia.
    Until everything settles down and 2-3 years of peaceful life pass, all managers and military leaders should only be appointed! Like in the Army! Otherwise, chaos, devilry and failure of the whole idea of ​​the Russian world will come.
  19. Vladimir Vasilich
    Vladimir Vasilich 8 September 2015 11: 05 New
    +3
    Nothing is clear, some kind of blogging "get-together." Where is the official ksiva? What is Zakharchenko? Ruling? Order?
    One thing is clear - there is an undermining of the negotiation process and the preparation of the Elections to LDNR. And yet - the impotence of the Kremlin
  20. Doctor Savage
    Doctor Savage 8 September 2015 11: 29 New
    0
    And what does physiognomy tell us? When do we see the front of Mr. Pushilin’s head?
  21. lopvlad
    lopvlad 8 September 2015 15: 51 New
    +2
    Sorry for the emotions. Just got it.

    what kind of emotions are we talking about. The whole text is thought out from the picture in the beginning (the person in the balaclava in the photo behind Pushilin) ​​to Moreover, Pushilin, it turns out, is convenient for the Kremlin, because he obeys orders, and does not argue like Purgin и In addition, in the DPR I did not meet a single person who would say at least one good word about Pushilin, etc.

    Conclusion from the article: they are all bandits there, but Purgin is a more correct bandit since he argues with Moscow.

    And now we will think like adults. In Ukraine there is no state and there is a territory divided between two pseudo-states (DNR, LNR and the junta in Kiev). The power of these pseudo-states is controlled from Russia and from the USA. There is a geopolitical battle between Russia and the USA for full control over all of the territory of the former Ukraine. In this battle, those who have more complete control over the power of pseudo-states have more chances for success.
    Therefore, any disobedience to the power of controlled pseudo-states is immediately suppressed by both Russia and the United States.

    We can talk about the Coup and the GKChP when there is a state and the DPR, the LPR, like fascist Ukraine, are not states.
  22. Awaz
    Awaz 8 September 2015 18: 33 New
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    I agree with lopvlad and want to say too. This is so - on the territory of Ukraine there is not a single legitimate authority, which on the other hand. All these movements are the problems of growth and the creation of any kind of power vertical. People working there are mostly completely inexperienced, and the old cadres are trying not to allow. This is one problem when people are not experienced. There is another one - all sorts of crooks. In such difficult turning points, a lot of them always come out and they try to somehow legalize themselves in the new conditions, preferably above. So especially not to panic. Especially to us. It is more difficult for those who live on the spot. Here you will not envy ..
  23. NordUral
    NordUral 8 September 2015 23: 33 New
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    What didn’t happen in Donetsk, but your stuffing resembles an attempt to denigrate Donetsk. I do not think that everything is fluffy there. But look at Kiev.