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Poland presented howitzers "Crab" and "Diana"

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At the MSPO-2015 military exhibition in Kielce, Poland presented two self-propelled 155-mm howitzers, the blog reports bmpd.


Poland presented howitzers "Crab" and "Diana"


The Polish company Huta Stalowa Wola (HSW) demonstrated an updated sample of the 155-mm / 52 Krab self-propelled howitzer, made on the chassis of the South Korean self-propelled howitzer K9 Thunder.

“NSW signed a contract in December 2014 worth 310 billion South Korean won (about 300 million dollars) with the South Korean union Samsung Techwin for the supply of 120 chassis (with armor housings and engine compartments with German diesel engines MTU-881 KA KA KA HP) SAX K500 Thunder for building a Krab SAU for them on the basis of the Polish Army, ”writes bmpd.

The Krab ACS is equipped with the British 155-mm self-propelled howitzer AS90 tower, manufactured by HSW under license.









The second self-propelled gun Diana was presented by the Polish company Bumar Labedy. The sample was developed jointly with the Slovak company KONSTRUKTA - Defense, which is actually an artillery design bureau and a member of the Slovak holding DMD Group.



“Diana was created mainly as a joint offer by Bumar Labedy and KONSTRUKTA - Defense for the Indian tender for 20-mm / 155 self-propelled howitzer on crawler chassis that has been stretching for over 52 for years. At the same time, a representative of KONSTRUKTA - Defense at MSPO-2015 stated that "three more potential customers" are showing interest in Diana. ACS Diana was developed in an unprecedentedly short time - an agreement on partnership between Polish and Slovak enterprises was reached in the middle of June 2015, and the prototype was already rolled out on August 23, ”the blogger said.

According to him, "Diana has an 155-mm / 52 artillery unit, similar to that installed on experienced SAU Zuzana 2 and EVA" Slovak production. The firing range can reach 41 km “when using advanced aerodynamic projectiles with ERFB-BB (extended-range full-bore base bleed) bottom gas generator”. The rate of fire with the use of an automated loading system - 5 shots in the first minute of opening fire or 13 shots for 3 minutes. Ammunition - 80 shells and 80 charges (of which 40 - in the automatic loader).



According to the developers, “Diana’s combat weight is 50 tons, length is 11,8 m, width is 3,5 m, height is over the roof of the tower 3,69 m, engine is S12U, maximum speed is 60 km / h, the range is up to 650 km.”

Photos used:
www.stalowka.net, www.webnoviny.sk
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 September 2015 10: 08 New
    +7
    They look modern. But the appearance in a self-propelled gun is not the main thing. Let’s see how it will shoot (lead from the test range). True, the product is commercial, no one will write the truth, therefore, on sales contracts. If they buy, it’s not bad, they won’t ...
    1. Byshido_dis
      Byshido_dis 7 September 2015 10: 13 New
      -11
      We are waiting for when these units appear squeezed by militias from the APU ...
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 7 September 2015 10: 20 New
        +12
        The Poles are not quite fools to supply new weapons to Ukraine.
        1. Manager
          Manager 7 September 2015 10: 29 New
          +1
          So where else is the battle test to be conducted? Take FIG knows where to the Arab countries? Oh well in FIG. UK background at your side.
          1. Darkmor
            Darkmor 7 September 2015 10: 49 New
            +6
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Let's see how it will shoot

            And what result can these howitzers show?
            This is a very mediocre weapon, moreover, closer to bad.

            I do not see anything innovative in him.
            The range was not impressive, the 41km AR shell is not much (the “coalition” generally said 75 + km, although I think they will miss), not to mention the fact that they will rarely shoot such shells - with some OFZ range will be around 25 -30 and this figure should be guided.
            Driving performance and the engine are also mediocre, nothing new.
            Rate of fire - 13 rounds in 3 minutes, this is 4 rounds per minute, which is VERY small for a modern self-propelled gun. Apparently - a step of 3 minutes was taken just in order to mask the real figure.
            And what do we have in the end?
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            They will buy - it means not bad

            This is also not an indicator. Perhaps a targeted loan was issued to purchase these weapons - or some other form of “discount."
            Quote: Byshido_dis
            squeezed by militias

            What does the militia have to do with it? This is a commercial order - and it will go to the customer, and not to Ukraine. Even if howitzers (censorship) is new (censorship), and no one will give it to the Khokhlostan.
            Quote: Manager
            and where else to carry out a battle check?

            Anywhere, but not in a country where everything new is suddenly “lost” and pops up already in the wrong hands.
            And howitzers do not really need a battle check - these are not tanks.
        2. g1v2
          g1v2 7 September 2015 12: 17 New
          +3
          Of course, these sau will not be delivered to the urkas, but those that should replace this news are completely. Over the past 5 years, about 250 carnations and one and a half hundred hailstones have been written off from the Poles. In what condition they are - xs. It may well be transported to the Donbass under the guise of any exercises. Also, the Poles in storage and in the troops 100-150 Dan. Poles on the condition of joining NATO should switch to NATO standards, which means getting rid of Soviet-caliber artillery. Krab and Diana are 155 mm and they will replace the cloves 122 mm and Dana 152 mm. Accordingly, the Poles will either write off the old artel or sell it on the cheap. If you are lucky in Iraq, if you are not lucky - to Ukraine. Of course, this will not strengthen the lesson significantly, but it will close the loss of carnations, acacia, MST-s and hyacinth-s.
        3. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 7 September 2015 15: 50 New
          0
          Quote: rotmistr60
          The Oles are not quite fools to supply new weapons to Ukraine.
          Well, how can it be without a stereotypical joke about squeezing militias, you need to be in time, you look at the pluses lol
      2. Asadullah
        Asadullah 7 September 2015 19: 33 New
        0
        We are waiting for when these units appear squeezed by militias from the APU


        I don’t understand what the minuses have been instructed, but you are in the top ten. Take a look:

        howitzer Krab, made on the chassis of the South Korean self-propelled howitzer K9 Thunder.


        This is Krab itself, only on the T-72 chassis, it has already fired at New Russia, in the amount of three units. This technique was quickly taken away when the militia began to shine in the media fragments from NATO 155-ok. Experts easily determined the shot of the AS90 barrel. By the way, the supply of these Krabs Poland masked by long geography across Hungary. According to the latest data, it is now hidden somewhere near Kiev.

        Those who put cons to the person would advise apologizing.
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 7 September 2015 10: 38 New
      0
      Quote: RiverVV
      Well, with the crab, the hint is clear ... But who is Diana?

      probably the familiar "data" (111 pieces from the Poles)
      1. bolat19640303
        bolat19640303 7 September 2015 11: 15 New
        +2
        And the anti-aircraft machine gun at Crab is still the same reliable Soviet NSVT.
        1. marlin1203
          marlin1203 7 September 2015 14: 17 New
          +1
          Yeah, they also found out! soldier
    3. boruta
      boruta 7 September 2015 11: 04 New
      0
      They already shot:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uSiF5eXpSU

      Ho chassis-there were micro-crack problems. HSW decided to break off cooperation with Bumar, which produces the chassis, and she bought a Korean license. The Korean chassis will also be for other purposes — a tank bridge, BMP, and possibly even a new tank. After losing the contract, Bumar decided to establish cooperation with the Slovaks in order to export to India. India has long had close ties with Bumar in the production of armored vehicles (BREM WZT2, WZT3).

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_jkt_Cd00o
    4. Jack-b
      Jack-b 7 September 2015 11: 38 New
      0
      Chassis Oreysky, British tower, and what is Polish? Assembly?
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 7 September 2015 12: 08 New
        0
        and what is polish? Assembly?


        No show off. As is common for Psheks, there are a lot of show-offs, and the exhaust is only in the direction of Russia (it has not yet begun to freeze in winter).
    5. torp
      torp 7 September 2015 12: 08 New
      0
      And the given are from the t-72. Or it seemed to me ?
      1. Artyom
        Artyom 7 September 2015 13: 51 New
        0
        pay attention to the tracks! They are for highways, on a muddy primer will not go!
    6. marlin1203
      marlin1203 7 September 2015 14: 16 New
      +1
      The chassis is Korean, the engine is German, the gun is English, and the howitzer is Polish! I'm crying laughing
  2. RiverVV
    RiverVV 7 September 2015 10: 10 New
    0
    Well, with the crab, the hint is clear ... But who is Diana?
    1. 31rus
      31rus 7 September 2015 10: 33 New
      +2
      General Diana the goddess of the hunt
      1. RiverVV
        RiverVV 7 September 2015 11: 14 New
        0
        And what connection between Diana and you yourself know by whom?
        Really ??? OH SHI ...
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 September 2015 10: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: RiverVV
      Well, with the crab, the hint is clear ... But who is Diana?

      And Diana is an attempt to get to the market the original Polish sub-contractors for Krab, who were thrown out of the project after they gave out the armored corps with cracks (Bumar labedy).
  3. Orlenok ILLI4A
    Orlenok ILLI4A 7 September 2015 10: 12 New
    +2
    Yeah, the crab is generally a bomb, the chassis is a South Korean tower-English, it took about 10 years for them to grow together :)
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 September 2015 10: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: Orlenok ILLI4A
      Yeah, the crab is generally a bomb, the chassis is a South Korean tower-English, it took about 10 years for them to grow together :)

      In the full version, bmpd wrote that at first the chassis should have been Polish. But suddenly it turned out that Poland, of course, was strong, but it couldn’t do the self-propelled gun chassis - there was no engine, but the armored corps went cracked (who said BTR-4? laughing ):
      According to Jane's Defense Weekly magazine in Remigiusz Wilk's article "MSPO 2013: Poland signs agreement for Turkish T-155 Firtina hulls for Krab SPA", it became impossible to equip the 16 Krab self-propelled guns planned for construction with the Polish S12U diesel engine used in the first models - since the engine has not been produced since 2009, and the PZL Wola factory that produced it has been closed. The German MTU-881 KA 500 diesel engine, proposed as an alternative, requires a larger motor-transmission compartment and does not fit into the chassis of the HSW production. To top it all off, in 2010 microcracks in armor plates were discovered in the armored hulls manufactured by the Polish Bumar Labedy factory in 15,5. HSW is reportedly making $ 2012 million in claims to Bumar Labedy for the supply of low-quality armored vehicles. In July XNUMX, Bumar Labedy acknowledged his responsibility and expressed his willingness to redress the marriage.
  4. Mother Theresa
    Mother Theresa 7 September 2015 10: 13 New
    +2
    And what is Polish about them, a British tower made under license and that’s all?
    1. boruta
      boruta 7 September 2015 11: 05 New
      0
      electronics and fire control system
      1. Mother Theresa
        Mother Theresa 7 September 2015 11: 53 New
        0
        Thanks for the answer. And what kind of company delivered the electronics and the fire control system, I unfortunately did not hear anything about the Polish electronic industry. Unless of course it’s hard for you.
        1. boruta
          boruta 7 September 2015 14: 38 New
          0
          privately held company WB Electronics in collaboration with the military Topaz fire control system WITU

          http://wb.com.pl/?lang=en

          http://www.witu.mil.pl/www/witu_en.htm

          http://www.cenrex.home.pl/Cenrex_EN_old/index.php/content/view/120/
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 7 September 2015 10: 13 New
    +6
    Both are prefabricated hodgepodge from other self-propelled guns! And therefore can not be considered for Polish development. It's like Ukrainians who scream about Oplot on every corner, while modestly silent that this is just a modification of the good old SOVIET eighty wink
    1. boruta
      boruta 7 September 2015 11: 12 New
      -4
      But, despite this, he can be successful. The Russians did the same thing once. German Focke-Wulf Ta 183 fighter plus British engine = very good Soviet Mig 15 fighter
      1. viktorR
        viktorR 7 September 2015 11: 41 New
        +2
        Minus from me for the Ta-183. All the same, no one took the fuselage from Ta and did not put an English engine on it.
        1. boruta
          boruta 7 September 2015 15: 04 New
          -3
          OK, British tank + Soviet 45mm cannon = Soviet tank T-26
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 7 September 2015 17: 35 New
            +4
            Quote: boruta
            OK, British tank + Soviet 45mm cannon = Soviet tank T-26

            And again, not quite right.
            The USSR bought the Vickers-6t, which became the T-26, with all the documentation and a production license. And he produced them completely himself, on his territory, on his own.

            I didn’t do screwdriver assembly in the style of "we’ll put Canadian towers with Soviet guns on British buildings". smile
            1. boruta
              boruta 7 September 2015 18: 22 New
              -1
              Poland bought the AS-90 turret, the K-9 chassis, the Israeli 155 mm cannon with all the documentation and a license for production and even for export. And it produces completely itself, on its territory, on its own (although the first few chassis were made in Korea). A license allows the use of these elements to produce other products as well. For example, an Israeli 155 mm cannon is used for:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa2qrz8hyk8
  6. flSergius
    flSergius 7 September 2015 10: 17 New
    +2
    Arta Krab, Alen heavy tank, Ololosha medium tank-45%, Dnishe rifle bully
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 September 2015 17: 36 New
      0
      Anyone tries to offend Artu ... crying
  7. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 7 September 2015 10: 17 New
    +3
    Chassis Korean, British tower, assembly Polish- direct constructor Lego
  8. Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 7 September 2015 10: 18 New
    +2
    They took a Korean chassis, put a British tower, and then presented ... pfff, ikea. Dianka is more interesting, even if the Slovaks have developed + there is a AZ, how much is it full-fledged interestno ...
  9. 31rus
    31rus 7 September 2015 10: 30 New
    +3
    There is nothing outstanding in them, but there are no obvious shortcomings, apart from "with the world in a row, the sau is ready," they have no prospects
  10. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 7 September 2015 10: 36 New
    0
    Logistics of production is terrifying, and so outwardly very suitable ...
  11. roskot
    roskot 7 September 2015 10: 42 New
    +3
    The uniform is Korean, the trunk is English, the tanker is Polish. Well, this is a new series about four tankers and a dog that brought shells. Will stand guard over Poland in the zagashnik.
    1. boruta
      boruta 7 September 2015 15: 11 New
      -1
      But the most important thing is the American XM982 Excalibur shell (NATO ammunition base in Poland) and any aggressor has a hot ass.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 7 September 2015 17: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: boruta
        But the most important thing is the American XM982 Excalibur shell (NATO ammunition base in Poland) and any aggressor has a hot ass.

        Not any. But only one that neglects electronic warfare.
      2. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 8 September 2015 01: 40 New
        0
        Quote: boruta
        any aggressor has a hot ass.

        besides that which will cover that very base with all the supplies.
  12. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 7 September 2015 13: 52 New
    +1
    British gun - Vickers firms.
    They make ship and land guns great.
    ballistics and quality.

    The Slovak company KONŠTRUKTA-Defense is also one
    from the leaders in artillery.
  13. Lenivets
    Lenivets 7 September 2015 21: 25 New
    0
    Chassis Korean, German engine, small British gun ..
    Why is there Pshek? what