Poland presented howitzers "Crab" and "Diana"

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At the MSPO-2015 military exhibition in Kielce, Poland presented two self-propelled 155-mm howitzers, the blog reports bmpd.

Poland presented howitzers "Crab" and "Diana"


The Polish company Huta Stalowa Wola (HSW) demonstrated an updated sample of the 155-mm / 52 Krab self-propelled howitzer, made on the chassis of the South Korean self-propelled howitzer K9 Thunder.

“NSW signed a contract in December 2014 worth 310 billion South Korean won (about 300 million dollars) with the South Korean union Samsung Techwin for the supply of 120 chassis (with armor housings and engine compartments with German diesel engines MTU-881 KA KA KA HP) SAX K500 Thunder for building a Krab SAU for them on the basis of the Polish Army, ”writes bmpd.

The Krab ACS is equipped with the British 155-mm self-propelled howitzer AS90 tower, manufactured by HSW under license.









The second self-propelled gun Diana was presented by the Polish company Bumar Labedy. The sample was developed jointly with the Slovak company KONSTRUKTA - Defense, which is actually an artillery design bureau and a member of the Slovak holding DMD Group.



“Diana was created primarily as a joint proposal by Bumar Labedy and KONSTRUKTA-Defence for an Indian tender for a 20mm/155 tracked self-propelled howitzer that has been running for over 52 years. At the same time, a representative of KONSTRUKTA - Defense at MSPO-2015 said that "three more potential customers" are showing interest in Diana. The Diana self-propelled guns were developed in an unprecedentedly short time - an agreement on partnership between Polish and Slovak enterprises was reached in mid-June 2015, and a prototype was rolled out on August 23, ”the blogger reports.

According to him, "Diana has a 155-mm / 52 artillery unit, similar to that installed on the experimental Zuzana 2 and EVA self-propelled guns" of Slovak production. The firing range can reach 41 km "when using shells with an improved aerodynamic shape with an ERFB-BB (extended-range full-bore base bleed) bottom gas generator." Rate of fire using an automated loading system - 5 shots in the first minute of opening fire or 13 shots within 3 minutes. Ammunition - 80 shells and 80 charges (of which 40 - in the automatic loader).



According to the developers, “Diana’s combat weight is 50 tons, length is 11,8 m, width is 3,5 m, height is over the roof of the tower 3,69 m, engine is S12U, maximum speed is 60 km / h, the range is up to 650 km.”

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  1. +7
    7 September 2015 10: 08
    They look modern. But the appearance in a self-propelled gun is not the main thing. Let’s see how it will shoot (lead from the test range). True, the product is commercial, no one will write the truth, therefore, on sales contracts. If they buy, it’s not bad, they won’t ...
    1. -11
      7 September 2015 10: 13
      We are waiting for when these units appear squeezed by militias from the APU ...
      1. +12
        7 September 2015 10: 20
        The Poles are not quite fools to supply new weapons to Ukraine.
        1. +1
          7 September 2015 10: 29
          So where else is the battle test to be conducted? Take FIG knows where to the Arab countries? Oh well in FIG. UK background at your side.
          1. +6
            7 September 2015 10: 49
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Let's see how it will shoot

            And what result can these howitzers show?
            This is a very mediocre weapon, moreover, closer to bad.

            I do not see anything innovative in him.
            The range was not impressive, 41 km of AR projectile is not much (the "coalition" said 75 + km in general, although, I think, they are not talking about it), not to mention that such shells will rarely be fired - some OFZ range will be in the region of 25 -30 and this figure should be guided by.
            Driving performance and the engine are also mediocre, nothing new.
            Rate of fire - 13 rounds in 3 minutes, this is 4 rounds per minute, which is VERY small for a modern self-propelled gun. Apparently - a step of 3 minutes was taken just in order to mask the real figure.
            And what do we have in the end?
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            They will buy - it means not bad

            This is also not an indicator. Perhaps a targeted loan was issued for the purchase of this weapon - or some other form of "discount".
            Quote: Byshido_dis
            ousted by the militias

            What does the militia have to do with it? This is a commercial order - and it will go to the customer, and not to Ukraine. Even if howitzers (censorship) is new (censorship), and no one will give it to the Khokhlostan.
            Quote: Manager
            and where else to carry out a battle check?

            Anywhere, but not in a country where everything new is suddenly "lost" and emerges in the hands of others.
            And howitzers do not really need a battle check - these are not tanks.
        2. +3
          7 September 2015 12: 17
          Of course, these self-propelled guns will not be supplied to the urks, but those that this new one should replace are completely. About 5 carnations and one and a half hundred hailstones have been written off from the Poles over the past 250 years. What state are they in? They may well be transferred to the Donbass under the guise of some kind of exercise. The Poles also have 100-150 Dan in storage and in the troops. The Poles, under the condition of joining NATO, must switch to NATO standards, which means getting rid of Soviet-caliber artillery. Krab and Diana are 155mm and will replace the 122mm and Dana 152mm studs. Accordingly, the Poles will either write off the old artel or sell it on the cheap. If you're lucky to Iraq, if you're not lucky - to Ukraine. Of course, this lesson will not increase significantly, but the loss of carnations, acacias, msta-s and hyacinth-s will close.
        3. 0
          7 September 2015 15: 50
          Quote: rotmistr60
          The Oles are not quite fools to supply new weapons to Ukraine.
          Well, how can it be without a stereotypical joke about squeezing militias, you need to be in time, you look at the pluses lol
      2. 0
        7 September 2015 19: 33
        We are waiting for when these units appear squeezed by militias from the APU


        I don’t understand what the minuses have been instructed, but you are in the top ten. Take a look:

        howitzer Krab, made on the chassis of the South Korean self-propelled howitzer K9 Thunder.


        This is Krab itself, only on the T-72 chassis, it has already fired at New Russia, in the amount of three units. This technique was quickly taken away when the militia began to shine in the media fragments from NATO 155-ok. Experts easily determined the shot of the AS90 barrel. By the way, the supply of these Krabs Poland masked by long geography across Hungary. According to the latest data, it is now hidden somewhere near Kiev.

        Those who put cons to the person would advise apologizing.
    2. 0
      7 September 2015 10: 38
      Quote: RiverVV
      Well, with the crab, the hint is clear ... But who is Diana?

      probably familiar "dans" (111 of the Poles)
      1. +2
        7 September 2015 11: 15
        And the anti-aircraft machine gun at Crab is still the same reliable Soviet NSVT.
        1. +1
          7 September 2015 14: 17
          Yeah, they also found out! soldier
    3. 0
      7 September 2015 11: 04
      They already shot:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uSiF5eXpSU

      Ho chassis-there were problems-microcracks. HSW decided to break off cooperation with Bumar, which produces the chassis, and it bought the Korean license. The Korean chassis will also be for other purposes - a tank bridge layer, an infantry fighting vehicle, and possibly even a new tank. Bumar after the loss of the contract decided to establish cooperation with the Slovaks in order to export to India. India has long had close ties with Bumar in the production of armored vehicles (AWR WZT2, WZT3).

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_jkt_Cd00o
    4. 0
      7 September 2015 11: 38
      Chassis Oreysky, British tower, and what is Polish? Assembly?
      1. 0
        7 September 2015 12: 08
        and what is polish? Assembly?


        No show off. As is common for Psheks, there are a lot of show-offs, and the exhaust is only in the direction of Russia (it has not yet begun to freeze in winter).
    5. 0
      7 September 2015 12: 08
      And the given are from the t-72. Or it seemed to me ?
      1. 0
        7 September 2015 13: 51
        pay attention to the tracks! They are for highways, on a muddy primer will not go!
    6. +1
      7 September 2015 14: 16
      The chassis is Korean, the engine is German, the gun is English, and the howitzer is Polish! I'm crying laughing
  2. 0
    7 September 2015 10: 10
    Well, with the crab, the hint is clear ... But who is Diana?
    1. +2
      7 September 2015 10: 33
      General Diana the goddess of the hunt
      1. 0
        7 September 2015 11: 14
        And what connection between Diana and you yourself know by whom?
        Really??? OH SHI...
    2. +3
      7 September 2015 10: 45
      Quote: RiverVV
      Well, with the crab, the hint is clear ... But who is Diana?

      And Diana is an attempt to sneak into the market of the original Polish Crab subcontractors, who were thrown out of the project after they issued armored hulls with cracks (Bumar labedy).
  3. +2
    7 September 2015 10: 12
    Yeah, the crab is generally a bomb, the chassis is a South Korean tower-English, it took about 10 years for them to grow together :)
    1. +4
      7 September 2015 10: 41
      Quote: Orlenok ILLI4A
      Yeah, the crab is generally a bomb, the chassis is a South Korean tower-English, it took about 10 years for them to grow together :)

      In the full version, bmpd wrote that at first the chassis should have been Polish. But suddenly it turned out that Poland, of course, was strong, but it couldn’t do the self-propelled gun chassis - there was no engine, but the armored corps went cracked (who said BTR-4? laughing ):
      As reported by Jane's Defense Weekly magazine in Remigiusz Wilk "MSPO 2013: Poland signs agreement for Turkish T-155 Firtina hulls for Krab SPA," it became impossible to equip the planned KRA with the S16U Polish diesel engine used on the first models with the S12U Polish diesel engine - because the engine is not produced from the 2009 of the year, and the PZL Wola plant that produced it is closed. The German MTU-881 KA 500 diesel engine proposed as an alternative requires a larger engine-transmission compartment and does not fit in the chassis of the HSW. On top of that, in 2010, in the Polish factory Bumar Labedy, the first serial Krab armored hulls had microcracks in the armor plates. It is reported that HSW made a financial claim to Bumar Labedy in 15,5 million for the supply of low-quality armored corpses. In July, 2012, Bumar Labedy acknowledged his responsibility and expressed his willingness to reimburse the marriage.
  4. +2
    7 September 2015 10: 13
    And what is Polish about them, a British tower made under license and that’s all?
    1. 0
      7 September 2015 11: 05
      electronics and fire control system
      1. 0
        7 September 2015 11: 53
        Thanks for the answer. And what kind of company delivered the electronics and the fire control system, I unfortunately did not hear anything about the Polish electronic industry. Unless of course it’s hard for you.
        1. 0
          7 September 2015 14: 38
          privately held company WB Electronics in collaboration with the military Topaz fire control system WITU

          http://wb.com.pl/?lang=en

          http://www.witu.mil.pl/www/witu_en.htm

          http://www.cenrex.home.pl/Cenrex_EN_old/index.php/content/view/120/
  5. +6
    7 September 2015 10: 13
    Both are prefabricated hodgepodge from other self-propelled guns! And therefore can not be considered for Polish development. It's like Ukrainians who scream about Oplot on every corner, while modestly silent that this is just a modification of the good old SOVIET eighty wink
    1. -4
      7 September 2015 11: 12
      But, despite this, he can be successful. The Russians did the same thing once. German Focke-Wulf Ta 183 fighter plus British engine = very good Soviet Mig 15 fighter
      1. +2
        7 September 2015 11: 41
        Minus from me for the Ta-183. All the same, no one took the fuselage from Ta and did not put an English engine on it.
        1. -3
          7 September 2015 15: 04
          OK, British tank + Soviet 45mm cannon = Soviet tank T-26
          1. +4
            7 September 2015 17: 35
            Quote: boruta
            OK, British tank + Soviet 45mm cannon = Soviet tank T-26

            And again, not quite right.
            The USSR bought the Vickers-6t, which became the T-26, with all documentation and a production license. And he produced them completely himself, on his territory, on his own.

            And not engaged in screwdriver assembly in the style of "we’ll put Canadian towers with Soviet guns on British buildings". smile
            1. -1
              7 September 2015 18: 22
              Poland bought AS-90 turret, K-9 chassis, Israeli 155mm cannon with all documentation and license for production and even for export. And it produces completely by itself, on its own territory, on its own (although the first few chassis were made in Korea). The license allows the use of these elements to produce also other products. For example, the Israeli 155 mm cannon is used for:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa2qrz8hyk8
  6. +2
    7 September 2015 10: 17
    Arta Krab, Alen heavy tank, Ololosha medium tank-45%, Dnishe rifle bully
    1. 0
      7 September 2015 17: 36
      Anyone tries to offend Artu ... crying
  7. +3
    7 September 2015 10: 17
    Chassis Korean, British tower, assembly Polish- direct constructor Lego
  8. +2
    7 September 2015 10: 18
    They took a Korean chassis, put a British tower, and then presented ... pfff, ikea. Dianka is more interesting, even if the Slovaks have developed + there is a AZ, how much is it full-fledged interestno ...
  9. +3
    7 September 2015 10: 30
    There is nothing outstanding in them, but there are no obvious shortcomings, not counting "the world on a string, the sau is ready", they have no prospects
  10. 0
    7 September 2015 10: 36
    Logistics of production is terrifying, and so outwardly very suitable ...
  11. +3
    7 September 2015 10: 42
    The uniform is Korean, the trunk is English, the tanker is Polish. Well, this is a new series about four tankers and a dog that brought shells. Will stand guard over Poland in the zagashnik.
    1. -1
      7 September 2015 15: 11
      But the most important thing is the American XM982 Excalibur shell (NATO ammunition base in Poland) and any aggressor has a hot ass.
      1. +1
        7 September 2015 17: 43
        Quote: boruta
        But the most important thing is the American XM982 Excalibur shell (NATO ammunition base in Poland) and any aggressor has a hot ass.

        Not any. But only one that neglects electronic warfare.
      2. 0
        8 September 2015 01: 40
        Quote: boruta
        any aggressor has a hot ass.

        besides that which will cover that very base with all the supplies.
  12. +1
    7 September 2015 13: 52
    British gun - Vickers firm.
    They make ship and land guns great.
    ballistics and quality.

    The Slovak company KONŠTRUKTA-Defense is also one
    from the leaders in artillery.
  13. Lenivets
    0
    7 September 2015 21: 25
    Chassis Korean, German engine, small British gun ..
    And what is there Pshek? what

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