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Tricky comments. Poroshenko will return the Crimea and the Donbass ...

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Poroshenko on Saturday evening, in an interview with Ukrainian TV channels, voiced three scenarios for the development of events in Ukraine, one of which he called radical: he envisages an offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a military liberation of the territory and a march on Moscow.



Apparently, again without snacks and in quantities incompatible with reasonable life activity.

Pyotr Lekseich often puts it in, we are used to it. But this, speaking in diplomatic language, is of concern.

"There are three options, three scenarios for the development of events. The first scenario is radical: an offensive by the armed forces, a military liberation of the territory and a march on Moscow ..."

We in Russia in such cases say: "It is necessary to eat." For a start, reach Donetsk or Lugansk, Mr. President. Ik!

Undoubtedly, the Ukrainian army over the past year has passed some evolutionary path. That is, from an oak tree, in principle, they have already peeled off, but to dig a new ukromore is still not suitable. What kind of Moscow are we talking about? It is necessary to set either real goals or a smaller vessel. They say it helps.

"Second position: to build a wall, give a part of the territory - we will live without Donbass".

And without a wall in any way? No, really? Is the wall a symbol of greatness and square now? We will not dig the sea, so at least we will build a wall ... Weeping Great Ukrainian Wall. And we will cry for a long time, because all the remnants of undeveloped loans will go to her.

"But I, as president of Ukraine, will not trade. And this, if you like, can only be with another president. I will not even give anyone a piece of Ukrainian land."

Yeah ... Taki apologize, and agricultural holdings from Israel, Germany and Finland bought land from anyone? I am talking about the Kherson region. Well, in principle, there really is, and does not smell pieces. Full hectares. Hundred.

Apparently, delirium trems. Apparently, there are two presidents. One does not give a piece, and the second hectares distributes. It happens.

"I will fight, do everything possible to return every land - and the annexed Crimea, and the occupied territories of Donbass."

And we will fight, Peter Alekseevich, naturally, to the last drop. It is clear that no blood. It is to blame, I do not know what you use there, but it is obvious that the thing is crammed. Now I break my head, what is the reason for such a high flight of thought. I would not refuse to "soar".

"There is a way to ensure the restoration of Ukrainian sovereignty, the Ukrainian authorities in these territories, this path is called the Minsk agreements. In order to very simply reveal them - this is a cease-fire, the withdrawal of heavy equipment, the release of the hostages, including our heroes Oleg Sentsov, Nadezhda Savchenko ..., the involvement of the OSCE in order for them to monitor the implementation of the Minsk agreements, these are programs of humanitarian, cultural, social development and infrastructure, this is the withdrawal of Russian troops from the Ukrainian territory and the restoration of Ukrainian control over the uncontrolled section of the Russian-Ukrainian border. "

So what's stopping you? They didn’t stop the fire, didn’t take the equipment, don’t let the OSCE work. Or is it all, in your opinion, should Russia also do? This is the Russian army, which occupied the Donbass? So find it first is necessary. And not at the bottom of the vessel above, but in the fields of Donbass. Weak?

"If fake elections are held, if the cease-fire is disrupted and a large-scale offensive is organized ... this will mean that Russia has abandoned the obligations that it assumed by putting the Russian president’s signature under the Minsk process."

Well, he took and spoiled everything. Fake elections - this is how Rada chose? By the principle of "pay and fly?", Or something else? Or as in Kharkov, where a really strong opposition, even by a court decision, is not registered for an election?

Who can disrupt the cease-fire if the APU cannot calm down for a single day? And who will organize a large-scale offensive? Mini-army LDNR?

The impression was that Mr. President was talking about Ukraine. That's when it turns logical.

If Ukraine conducts fake elections (and judging by the incoming information, it will hold with an extraordinary scale), if Ukraine frustrates the cease-fire (and it has not yet begun to observe it), if Ukraine starts a large-scale offensive (and rumors, again, have been going for a month) then yes, Putin put his signature in vain for the Minsk agreements.

But we all know that and so. Ik!
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  1. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 7 September 2015 06: 11
    +37
    Poroshenko will return the Crimea and the Donbass ...
    So Crimea has already returned! And Donbass is practically the same. request
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 7 September 2015 10: 56
      +10
      Не ну надо же.. вроде Президент, вроде большой (35 млн как-никак), вроде страны (пока), несет просто самоубийственную ересь. Поход на Москву what apparently he thinks that the people of Ukraine really want it. So the results of the burials, it seems, of the last six in a year, do not allow making such conclusions. There will probably be several thousand of the volunteers who will rush across the border. But firstly, it will be close and looks more like a raid, and it will end very quickly in Kiev - the arrival of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation and the National General Staff for interrogation at the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine, accompanied by a "modest" bodyguard soldier
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 7 September 2015 11: 41
        +5
        Quote: marlin1203
        kind of president, kind of big

        He’s just a hired artist who says what they write to him. Everything and nothing else. He’s paid well for this, during his presidency of the so-called, he became almost 2 times richer. But he does not understand that when he doesn’t need him, they can let him go. in consumption. And maybe he understands, therefore, he drinks like a gray gelding. Unfortunately, to date, not a single completely independent head of state has remained in the world.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 7 September 2015 15: 44
        +6
        Quote: marlin1203
        The president, like a big one (35 million after all), like a country (for now), is simply suicidal heresy.

        A little about an adequate assessment of what is happening ....
      3. nadezhiva
        nadezhiva 7 September 2015 16: 30
        +4
        Quote: marlin1203
        Президент, вроде большой (35 млн как-никак), вроде страны (пока), несет просто самоубийственную ересь. Поход на Москву what

        You do not know Ukrainian presidents well wink You just don't know how to "cook" them laughing
        Поход на Москву президентов Хох.ляндии теперь по традиции заканчивается конференцией в Ростове. Но разве можно было предположить, что Петя Запойный так скоро туда засобирается what
      4. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender 7 September 2015 20: 54
        0
        You did not understand anything. Pan Svin imagines himself to be a sort of Moses, deciding to collect the remnants of the ukronarod and march on Moscow to surrender. Let Moscow feed them "for free" again. And his business is in Russia.
    2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 8 September 2015 14: 12
      0
      May he return all the Russian lands.
  2. ImPerts
    ImPerts 7 September 2015 06: 14
    +35
    I remembered something.
    The Poles sometimes soberly look at what is happening:
    1. RUSOIVAN
      RUSOIVAN 7 September 2015 17: 10
      +5
      We (for the most part) are behind!
  3. silver169
    silver169 7 September 2015 06: 36
    +14
    This is not even funny. Parash-enko began to hallucinate in reality, in his sick imagination he had almost captured Moscow.
    A typical example of sluggish schizophrenia.
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 7 September 2015 07: 16
      +6
      ... and what remains for him is ..... time is coming to an end .....
      1. Orlenok ILLI4A
        Orlenok ILLI4A 7 September 2015 10: 18
        +2
        Roman is right, with Peter Lekseich a bottle is coming to an end !!!! And you are about time :)
  4. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 7 September 2015 06: 36
    +13
    He has two types of ear noodles — he hangs one for foreign creditors and the other for his own population. hi
    Sometimes it gets confused lol
  5. Amurets
    Amurets 7 September 2015 06: 48
    +12
    It seems that Poroshenko decided to return to Russia not only Novorossiya, but also the whole of Eastern Ukraine. So I understood his drunken nonsense by the American media.
  6. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 7 September 2015 06: 54
    +4
    Poroshenko on Saturday evening, in an interview with Ukrainian TV channels, voiced three scenarios for the development of events in Ukraine, one of which he called radical, it provides for the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, "the military liberation of the territory and the march on Moscow.
    Let me go, miraculous grass ... filled with Kozodryshchensk, you got to know you panim ...
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 September 2015 06: 56
    +2
    I won’t give even a piece of Ukrainian land to anyone

    Уже не просто отдал, а проср.л, Поздно пить "Боржоми", когда почки отвалились. А еще "великий Ukrainian" трудится над разработкой Плана "Б", который находится в строжайшем секрете и не кому кроме Порошенко не известен.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 7 September 2015 13: 31
      0
      and no one except Poroshenko is known. ,,
      Yes, and he (the plan) is not known to him. And yet I wanted to clarify the, “fighting” speech of Petruha. In an interview, he said that he was being offered a “trip to Moscow,”
  8. lwxx
    lwxx 7 September 2015 06: 59
    +13
    The first scenario is radical: the offensive of the armed forces, the military liberation of the territory and the campaign against Moscow ... а вот за это надо уже наказывать. Это прямая угроза войной, и тут нашим надо определиться либо по ведомству Лаврова, либо по ведомству товарища Шойгу. Хотя ,вернее всего, минздрав должен сказать свое веское слово, в лице института им. Кащенко.
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 7 September 2015 07: 51
      +3
      Quote: lwxx
      This is a direct threat of war.
      Tooting.
    2. atos_kin
      atos_kin 7 September 2015 11: 51
      0
      Quote: lwxx
      here our need to decide

      call him "partner" or "colleague"?
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 7 September 2015 17: 19
        0
        Quote: atos_kin
        call him "partner" or "colleague"?
        Obama's passive partner.
  9. demo
    demo 7 September 2015 07: 00
    +3
    "If fake elections are held, if the cease-fire is disrupted and a large-scale offensive is organized ... this will mean that Russia has abandoned the obligations that it assumed by putting the Russian president’s signature under the Minsk process."

    We must offer this dunce to introduce one more point.
    "If winter comes."
    To be sure.

    And generally speaking.
    Honestly, reading this nonsense, from an absurd drunk is simply sickening.
    There is a strong desire to try to find those with whom you can conduct a dialogue.
    Then the desire disappears.
    There are no candidates.
  10. Support
    Support 7 September 2015 07: 22
    +1
    Вот почему возникло выражение в многоуважаемой Инквизиции - ".... как бешеных собак!". Вот такое шмо (поц) и есть тот запал, из-за которого может возникнуть костерчик .....
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 7 September 2015 07: 23
    +1
    God, the house was gone. What will happen to steam heating?
  12. VadimSt
    VadimSt 7 September 2015 07: 34
    +2
    Petr Lekseich often brings ...
    Probably more correct - Pyotr Lakeyicha!
  13. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 7 September 2015 07: 51
    +7
    "... it provides for the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the military liberation of the territory and the march on Moscow ..."
    even though Moscow is 700 miles south of us, in the morning, right in the morning, he began to dig a full-profile trench and a bomb shelter in the garden, the family was crying.
    Раньше пан Порошенко носил шеврон с укропом, надо менять на коноплю, уж больно забористая, видать из Йемена везут.
  14. Socialism 2.0
    Socialism 2.0 7 September 2015 07: 53
    +2
    I am extremely puzzled by the Kremlin’s position ... Last year, the Rostov Region was fired upon, a civilian was killed, military personnel were killed - it’s silent ..
    He calls Russia the enemy and publicly voices plans for aggression - ours are silent again.
    Путин "кот Леопольд" что-ли?! Сколько еще об Россию ноги будут вытирать а он будет играть миролюбивого преза?
    1. RUSIVAN
      RUSIVAN 7 September 2015 10: 12
      +3
      Who is it that you’ll wipe your feet about Russia ??? they wiped it in the 90s, and now they’re breaking their foreheads about Russia ...
      You obviously don’t see the obvious, politics is a very delicate thing, and you’re ready to wave your saber, take your time, we'll have time ...
    2. Seryoga DV
      Seryoga DV 8 September 2015 07: 35
      +1
      Have you read the novel about Elephant and Pug? lol
  15. Mentat
    Mentat 7 September 2015 07: 56
    0
    Quote: ImPerts
    I remembered something.
    The Poles sometimes soberly look at what is happening:

    Sobriety does not smell here. It smells of impudent thirst for profit. What a fright suddenly Poles will fall Lviv?

    The whole territory of Ukraine is gradually being transformed either into a state loyal to Russia, many factors are pushing for it, among which economic feasibility is especially strong, or in what these lands were: regions of the European part of Russia.

    Therefore, no land will break off the Poles, let the liposuction machines buy in bulk.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 September 2015 08: 18
      +11
      Quote: Mentat
      What a fright suddenly Poles will fall Lviv?

      Why with fright? Have you signed the association? On January 1, the first point will also come into force - the return of property to the former owners and their heirs. otherwise Poland would not have fought so hard for the association of Ukraine. And there others will catch up ... Hungarians, Romanians. Poles think that Ukraine will follow the laws in a "civilized" manner just like that. Ha ha ha! Only now, if all the pain will pass with the Hungarians no less peacefully, then the Bandera will grapple with the Poles for sure. Then there will be "the second act of the Merleson Ballet"
  16. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 7 September 2015 08: 02
    +2
    Why is there still no criminal case against Mr. SK?
  17. LeftPers
    LeftPers 7 September 2015 08: 02
    +17
    The brow has a rich inner world wassat
    1. ejov1976
      ejov1976 7 September 2015 21: 08
      0
      Pine - said Poroshenko
  18. boomerang.
    boomerang. 7 September 2015 08: 26
    +6
    "There are three options, three scenarios for the development of events. The first scenario is radical: an offensive by the armed forces, a military liberation of the territory and a march on Moscow ..."

    Well, let's conquer Moscow, and then what will change? Will you become rich and happy?
    So it was already, Ukrainians Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and Gorbachev, half Ukrainian, ruled the USSR and this led to the impoverishment and collapse of the USSR. Abandoned rich Russia, wanted to build a separate state, but it doesn’t work out. That Crimea and Donbas realized that only with Russia together we are a real country.
  19. SergeySeverny
    SergeySeverny 7 September 2015 08: 28
    0
    Parash-enko will end badly ... delirium tremens is waiting for him
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 7 September 2015 09: 19
      +2
      The chamber in Kashchenko is already reserved for him)
  20. City
    City 7 September 2015 08: 34
    +14
    Well, right Che-Bukhara local bottling !!! laughing
    1. ejov1976
      ejov1976 7 September 2015 21: 09
      0
      Petruccio, it's time to think about which country you will run to, and not develop strategies.
  21. cergey51046
    cergey51046 7 September 2015 09: 05
    0
    A trip to Moscow will be the last minutes of your worthless life.
  22. Batia
    Batia 7 September 2015 09: 37
    +3
    He threatened Petyun coolly. My cat even giggled and sharpened its claws. Kotyara has already collected the bag as an alarming suitcase and is going to go to tear this bukharik.
  23. atamankko
    atamankko 7 September 2015 09: 42
    0
    You’re stuck, Petro, and you won’t get out of your shit.
  24. 5344443243366
    5344443243366 7 September 2015 10: 08
    +2
    All this, of course, is ridiculous and stupid to disgrace - Poroshenko is a complete zero in itself, but we must not forget who broadcasts his language. Once there were such speeches, wait for nasty things from partners from behind the hill
  25. vlad7777kul
    vlad7777kul 7 September 2015 10: 52
    +1
    Poroshenko more and more resembles Yeltsin in his worst years.
  26. Alexey Lesogor
    Alexey Lesogor 7 September 2015 11: 16
    0
    it the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the Ukrainian territory and the restoration of Ukrainian control over an uncontrolled section of the Russian-Ukrainian border. "



    Where ukrovska was going to withdraw something from the Ukrainian territory ??? soldier
  27. Mentat
    Mentat 7 September 2015 11: 57
    0
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Mentat
    What a fright suddenly Poles will fall Lviv?

    Why with fright? Have you signed the association? On January 1, the first point will also come into force - the return of property to the former owners and their heirs. otherwise Poland would not have fought so hard for the association of Ukraine. And there others will catch up ... Hungarians, Romanians. Poles think that Ukraine will follow the laws in a "civilized" manner just like that. Ha ha ha! Only now, if all the pain will pass with the Hungarians no less peacefully, then the Bandera will grapple with the Poles for sure. Then there will be "the second act of the Merleson Ballet"

    These are actually our territories. It’s not worth giving out to some Poles. Russia, however strange it may seem to you, stands for the territorial integrity of Ukraine. This is actually natural. It is now about who will absorb Ukraine, because it is clear that this territory was deprived of independence. Do not forget that this is a land watered with Russian blood. Russia is not going to give it to anyone, either in parts or in full.
  28. veksha50
    veksha50 7 September 2015 12: 03
    +2
    "and a trip to Moscow ..."...

    The strange silence of the State Department ...

    When 08.08.08 half of the states were convulsed by the fact that Russia attacked Georgia, that was normal ...

    And here Poroshenko promises a trip to Moscow ... I just forgot what state it is in, and whether it is in the states next to Kiev and Odessa ... But the fact is that not only Georgia, but Moscow is in the USA !!!

    So, Petsya, be careful in your statements, especially from a hangover ... Otherwise, the black dad will misunderstand and carve ...
    1. Volga Cossack
      Volga Cossack 7 September 2015 16: 35
      +1
      Nooooo-not carve out in any other way - Tolerasta tea))))
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  29. antikilller55
    antikilller55 7 September 2015 12: 09
    +1
    The main thing is that the navel would not untie from the strain ...
  30. aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 September 2015 12: 46
    +1
    Thanks to the author for the article.
    Well reads, thinks even better.
    And the one that is offal, so it will burn from a potion campaign.
    To know what kind of woman Yaga is preparing this swill for him, eating - like a bull slop! So he carries it, then to the Crimea, then to Moscow. laughing
  31. Crown
    Crown 7 September 2015 12: 49
    0
    He speaks to himself for life.
  32. Intrudeude
    Intrudeude 7 September 2015 13: 22
    +4
    Yeah, trains to Moscow every day "landing" are taken, to Leningradka or to the capital's construction sites ... "invader" yopt
  33. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 7 September 2015 14: 20
    +2
    Why does he need Moscow and Russia? What will he do with us? Will sell in parts, get drunk with happiness and die? A traveler, damn it, Napoleon would have dealt with his country.
  34. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 7 September 2015 16: 33
    0
    he will return everything .......... everything - everything - but it’s not even funny anymore ........ give a campaign to Moscow Petyunya — the strongest damn army of geyrops and a powerful fleet!
    1. ejov1976
      ejov1976 7 September 2015 21: 10
      0
      Yes, Petrusha, you are not the first to come to Moscow! And where are all these walkers now? It’s better to kill yourself on the wall, it won’t hurt so much!
  35. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 7 September 2015 17: 17
    +1
    Napoleon was found. He will go to Moscow. Let him start by going to a narcologist ...
  36. Gypsy girl
    Gypsy girl 7 September 2015 18: 51
    0
    Another walker to Moscow turned up ...
  37. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 7 September 2015 19: 22
    0
    "Ай Моська ! Знать она сильна , раз лает на СЛОНА ,"- Парашкин бред уже не лечится .
  38. Olga Blazhenova
    Olga Blazhenova 7 September 2015 20: 02
    +1
    Interestingly Poroshko raves according to the script, or got used to the role and improvises.
  39. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 7 September 2015 20: 43
    0
    Quote: marlin1203
    No, it’s necessary .. like the President, like a big one (35 million after all), like a country (for now), is simply a suicidal heresy.

    So he is not a president at all, but an ordinary usurper under the roof of the CIA and the State Department of the SGA, and they have such "presidents" for all countries of the world prepared innumerable because there are enough power-hungry fools everywhere, which our "sworn partners" use. They can change such presidents for dill at least every week! Now Porosenko is drunk to the point of complete insanity, you look at the other pig they will change, the main thing is to be able to cheerfully shout "Ukraine lard and vodka"!
    And the people who have lost their minds and can not be. another "president", remember our unforgettable EBN-a and what we were at that time - everyone wanted on the "Volga" and just that! It's good that at least VVP and his comrades drove him from the throne, and not Birch with his gang! hi
  40. Seryoga DV
    Seryoga DV 8 September 2015 07: 44
    0
    In general, Petya says something, let him go to Moscow, we must immediately surrender: we will again become Kievan Rus, well, and the rest will already be an internal affair of Russia, who is there and whom :)
  41. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 8 September 2015 16: 09
    0
    Quote: Seryoga DV
    In general, Petya says something, let him go to Moscow, we must immediately surrender: we will again become Kievan Rus, well, and the rest will already be an internal affair of Russia, who is there and whom :)

    The main thing is to get there, otherwise you’ll get lost somewhere along the way ... Our people are kind, sympathetic ...
  42. tweezers
    tweezers 8 September 2015 17: 14
    0
    Campaign to Moscow - Drang nach Moskau performed by Poroshenko ...
    now, probably, the late Napoleon Bonaparte is having fun - he also went to Moscow, and even came and stayed ... more fun, however, he didn’t get away with it ... so Napoleon was a real military commander - captain, then the general and then the emperor ... and this is a strategist, damn it, homegrown ... a graveyard .....
  43. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 30 September 2015 11: 41
    0
    only two things are endless: the universe and human stupidity. Albert Einstein