In the regiment "Azov" developed a "new" model of armored vehicles

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The regiment "Azov" over the past year engaged in the development of "new" samples of armored vehicles. The first development was called the “Azovets” and is already positioned as “the best tank for fighting in the city”.

Its main developer was the chief (in the past) designer of the 115 BTRZ, Nikolay Stepanov. He is known for having worked on such projects of armored vehicles with a high level of protection, as the BMPT-64 (armored vehicle based on T-64, T-66).

According to experts, the design of the support combat vehicle tanks quite original. In the aft of the cabin there is a hatch for the crew. The crew is 4 people. Hatches are also installed on the towers (there are two of them). The location of the hatches makes it possible to get inside the machine as quickly as possible. Other weakened areas, according to the designers, are not provided. The mass of the new development is 40 tons.

The developers claim that the armor everywhere on the new machine is equally “thick”, and even more, all of it is lined with active protection in several layers. So, according to available information, the machine has a doublet tandem protection. Total set 500 eDZ (the cost of each such element is 200 US dollars).

Also, according to the designers' assurances, thanks to the special design of the armor, the crew of the car will be reliably protected. Even in the case of falling into the side of the sabot projectile, the machine will not receive much damage.

In the tank, as already mentioned above, there are two towers (these are modified T-64 commander's turrets) with remote control. Each tower is equipped with a double-barreled installation GSHNUMX, which is capable of producing more than three thousand shots in one minute and turning light concrete fortifications into a pile of construction waste. In addition, it is also planned to install large-caliber machine guns, “Stugna” complexes and four guns for mortar firing.

Experts had time to evaluate the new development. According to them, the statement about the superiority of the new machine over all the tanks that existed until that time cannot be taken seriously. But at the same time, the car looks quite powerful and interesting. In particular, an interesting solution with the chassis (not Toyota, and MBT). In addition, the designers identified the main priorities in the concept of an armored vehicle for melee: a good overview is not at the expense of security, all-high security, as well as multi-channel weapons.

According to experts, the capabilities of the armored vehicle will be reduced due to its unprofessional origin and low consumption of resources. According to their characteristics, the outdoor camera cameras are much inferior to the all-day specialized tank sights with a night channel. To say that the car will be installed several thermal imagers, it is not necessary, because the cost of the machine will increase significantly. However, the developers claim that they have abandoned triplexes, because the enemy is hitting them, trying to blind the tank. Therefore, cameras with all-round visibility are the best option. In addition, it is supposed to install several fake cameras along the hull in order to mislead the enemy snipers.

Experts also note that the load capacity of the T-64 chassis is not so high as to protect the bottom and the roof of the car as reliably as the sides.

At the same time, the armored vehicle was created for quite specific conditions - for use in the zone of the antiterrorist operation in the Donbas, where the use of “roof-covering” anti-tank systems was not observed. Those artillery munitions that have anti-splice cluster elements do not have sufficiently strong penetrability.

Experts also note that the rear-engine layout will cause certain inconveniences in the dismounting of the crew. But at the same time, the developers said "Azovets" as a combat vehicle supporting tanks, and not an infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier, therefore, apparently, the transportation of the landing force is not expected.

At first glance it may seem that the new development is a pure adventure, because powerful enterprises should be engaged in the production of equipment. And one more interesting aspect: “Azovets” is called a tank. In fact, to give any definition of a new car is simply impossible. Rather, you can call it a combat armored vehicle for fighting in the city.

However, the definition, in the same way as the evaluation of the effectiveness, the new machine will be able to receive only after practical application.

In the regiment "Azov" developed a "new" model of armored vehicles





Materials used:
http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/380779.html
http://xvesti.ru/eto-interesno/1408-azovec.html
http://www.milnavigator.com/polk-azov-razrabatyvaet-unikalnye-obrazcy-bronetexniki/
http://ru.tsn.ua/ato/ukraincy-izobreli-nevidannuyu-do-etogo-vremeni-v-mire-voennuyu-tehniku-tank-s-dvumya-bashnyami-474099.html
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  1. +14
    7 September 2015 06: 27
    Well done guys - they made a self-propelled coffin, the main thing is that there would be more ukronatsists in it good
    1. +26
      7 September 2015 07: 19
      "The enemy is beaten on triplexes", but does not wake up to beat on video cameras for humane reasons ???
      1. +3
        7 September 2015 10: 48
        Quote: qwert
        doesn’t it wake up to use the video cameras for humane reasons?

        My dear citizens, when will you all begin to read for real? Indeed, the article clearly said this, Russian on white!
        Quote: quote from an article
        Therefore, cameras with a circular view are the most optimal option. In addition, it is planned to install several fake cameras along the hull in order to mislead the enemy snipers.
        But about this reading on the site repeatedly started talking!
        1. +7
          7 September 2015 11: 00
          Quote: quote from an article
          Therefore, cameras with a circular view are the most optimal option. In addition, it is planned to install several fake cameras along the hull in order to mislead the enemy snipers.


          ... and prohibit the shooting of a child prodigy from machine guns, as well as the use of anti-tank mines and land mines. You might think that only a sniper is the headache of the tank. It’s ridiculous.
        2. +6
          7 September 2015 13: 10
          Quote: Hedgehog
          But about this reading on the site repeatedly started talking!

          And it was repeatedly noted that such a design is good exactly as long as it is necessary to disperse the Zusul with a light arrow. As soon as the Zusuls have artillery and competent artillerymen, there is no talk of any "snipers" - armored vehicles begin sprinkle with chalk fragmentation shells.
          New Russians have artillery. Gunners too. Communication and interaction ... judging by uv. Murza, this is a big problem.
      2. +5
        7 September 2015 12: 36
        for battle in the city, Molotov cocktails and flamethrowers have not yet been canceled
      3. +4
        7 September 2015 14: 18
        They deliberately turned their brainchild into a self-moving coffin. Periscope shooting is an anachronism left in the summer. Moreover, even through a broken periscope there is enough visibility (albeit in a web). Well, unprotected optics (household cameras) to put out of action a trifling matter.
        And machine gun campaigns are removed from turntables and planes, of course, why in the Ukraine aviation.
    2. +17
      7 September 2015 11: 06
      Quote: Grad
      Well done guys - they made a self-propelled coffin, the main thing is that there would be more ukronatsists in it good


      Iron caput!
      1. +12
        7 September 2015 14: 10
        The idea is good - the implementation of bullshit. The durability of the case is doubtful: is armor steel used? the roof is not homogeneous cast or welded, but the frame is made of profiles, which leads to a weakening of the structure and in the case of a hit of low stability - especially against high-explosive bombs (will lead the structure). The same armor around the perimeter is bad - since the most likely hit is in the forehead. All this in total is not strange - good - because the worse the Nazis have the equipment, the better the guys from Donbass.
    3. +1
      7 September 2015 14: 15
      escho a little and they enti armor-targets put on the stream ... smile
  2. +3
    7 September 2015 07: 13
    A crematorium, on a caterpillar track .... Like our relatives, some kind of anti Midas, to which they will not touch the rake, everything turns into a kaku ...
  3. +3
    7 September 2015 07: 17
    It looks like an Israeli armored personnel carrier "Namer".
    1. +3
      7 September 2015 10: 52
      Quote: Glot
      The Israeli armored personnel carrier "Namer" looks like

      There are some similarities. But isn’t it easier to wait for the completion of the construction of this device?
    2. -1
      7 September 2015 11: 09
      Quote: Glot
      It looks like an Israeli armored personnel carrier "Namer".

      For me it is so similar to the Panzerkampfwagen V Panther, He is also the T5 "Panther". Only one thing the uropchiki did not take into account. The lower the profile of the car, the harder it is to hit.

      PySy: Fried dill ordered?))))
      1. +3
        7 September 2015 11: 31
        For an anti-tank missile anyway, a high profile or a low one will hit.
        1. 0
          7 September 2015 11: 54
          Quote: Vadim237
          For an anti-tank missile anyway, a high profile or a low one will hit.

          Well, the rocket still needs to "catch" on the target.
    3. +7
      7 September 2015 12: 38

      Quote: Glot
      It looks like an Israeli armored personnel carrier "Namer".

      The similarity is only outwardly due to the common chassis, because the "naper" is a full-fledged heavy infantry fighting vehicle, and the "Azov" is just a combat vehicle, without any classification and clear purpose, except for PR.
      In the "independent", after all, there are developments that are not bad according to the idea of ​​the BMPV-64, which seems to even exist in 2 copies, it is enough to set up production for which there is no money in a bankrupt country, why is this artisanal venderwafe PR at the level of ISIS gantrucks? ?
      1. +2
        7 September 2015 14: 42
        So you yourself answered your question. Because there are no funds for full-fledged research and production of equipment in a bankrupt country. Yes and not to them now. So every man is wriggling to himself in order to at least somehow cover himself in battle.
        History, it goes in a circle. Remember our "NI-1" during the Second World War. They also sculpted how and from what they could.
      2. +2
        7 September 2015 14: 42
        So you yourself answered your question. Because there are no funds for full-fledged research and production of equipment in a bankrupt country. Yes and not to them now. So every man is wriggling to himself in order to at least somehow cover himself in battle.
        History, it goes in a circle. Remember our "NI-1" during the Second World War. They also sculpted how and from what they could.
  4. +3
    7 September 2015 08: 38
    Of all the previously presented cars, this is the most interesting. It is alarming that this is not quite a makeshift development assembled in the backyard, but a project developed by a specialist and executed on a very serious production base.
    1. +6
      7 September 2015 11: 04
      it remains only to make sure that the armor steel was used, and not the boiler room ... There are serious doubts.
      1. 0
        7 September 2015 20: 30
        Quote: mejik
        it remains only to make sure that the armor steel was used, and not the boiler room ... There are serious doubts.

        A DZ knife in several layers? A 2. GSH 23 2? This is something psychedelic, not the result of the work of engineers. But it should be noted that THIS looks much better than its predecessors.
  5. 0
    7 September 2015 08: 42
    And there was and still is such a US machine M113. The attitude to her is different. . Indeed, some say that it cannot be worse, others, just give it. Ratio, approximately 50 to 50.
  6. +1
    7 September 2015 08: 43
    There was already such a topic.
  7. +4
    7 September 2015 08: 52
    I'm the only one confused by the number of welds in the frontal (and not only frontal) "armor"? The feeling that it was collected from scraps, what remained from what production.
    What will happen to the frontal armor, and specifically to the welds, when a good old high-explosive (or armor-piercing) projectile hits VLD?
    I have never met armored vehicles in which the armor parts are not monolithic. Okromya armored trains and battleships.
    1. +1
      7 September 2015 10: 19
      And these people sculpt the multilayer armor (stinks?) ... like there are all kinds of gaskets from materials of super-secret and camouflage-kinetic and petrit-resistant. wink
      1. 0
        7 September 2015 12: 38
        Quote: tchoni
        And these people sculpt the multilayer armor (stinks?) ... like there are all kinds of gaskets from materials of super-secret and camouflage-kinetic and petrit-resistant. wink

        ... bullets of shells and all kinds of crap from the greens In general, she is bewitched, she’ll be thrown out of the blockade and no one will get into her, either with a rocket or with a bullet, you won’t even take a slingshot. Tremble! Dill comes out !!
    2. +5
      7 September 2015 11: 11
      the welding quality of T-64 cases will not improve if you weld patches on top. Nobody has digested the case.
      1. 0
        7 September 2015 21: 47
        Or maybe they were digesting, no matter how, no matter how designers are from the street.
  8. +6
    7 September 2015 09: 00
    Idiots! Spoiled a good tank. However, it is good and more and more fascists in this miracle will kill themselves.
    On tank resources, it’s tal that the defense is made illiterate. By the way, where did they get the armor plate, special electrodes? One makeshift handicraft does not solve anything, in my opinion, all this fuss, apart from propaganda, has the goal of slandering from the front (House No. 6).
  9. 0
    7 September 2015 09: 15
    They took a tank, turned it around, the engine inside it turned around 180 degrees, strengthened the frontal protection. Aft, the armor was weakened and the hatches were welded, a perfectly normal solution, already run-in. In Israel, to ensure the passage from the stern, with the engine they were wise. By the way, say on the T-15, which Armata, did exactly the same as on the Ukrainian machine.
    1. +2
      7 September 2015 10: 58
      Quote: Free Wind
      The T-15, which is Armata, was made exactly the same as in the Ukrainian car.

      Wrong! Armata already exists and is being tested, while the Azovets is just getting ready. So who is like whom? Who borrowed the idea from whom?
    2. 0
      7 September 2015 11: 27
      They took a tank, turned it around, the engine inside it turned around 180 degrees,

      Are you talking about what tank they were talking about, T64, T72, T80 ??? request
    3. 0
      16 September 2015 22: 12
      Quote: Free Wind
      They took a tank, turned it around, the engine inside it turned around 180 degrees,

      If you look at the photo, the exhaust pipe is in its regular place and is directed back. Or, in your opinion, the tank rides the exhaust pipe forward?
  10. +2
    7 September 2015 09: 19
    A Molotov cocktail on the air intake grille and that's it ... Then, like in a movie, burning Natsiks emerge from the hatches and fall struck down by machine-gun bursts. At the same time, the armor remains intact, as required. In short, "peremoga", and the lads will still be recruited into this reusable crematorium.
    1. +8
      7 September 2015 10: 01
      Armor This is not a windowless stall
    2. +1
      8 September 2015 16: 40
      Quote: Good
      Molotov cocktail on the air intake grill and all.

      The air intake grille has a fairly small size (somewhere 500 to 200 mm) and is heavily covered by a tower. The intake channel has an anti-palm loop. You cannot stop a modern tank with one bottle.
      Perhaps you confuse the air intake grille with the grille above the radiators, but through it your cocktail will spit out in a split second. Again, without much harm to the car ...
  11. +12
    7 September 2015 09: 48
    All that is welded by a manual arc will not go beyond 5 km
    1. cracks will go (have already gone, believe the word who brewed doped silence about armor confirm)
    2. Such designers have seen a lot of impressive, mainly by the presence of prizes, patents, amounts from patents for which they were thrown, and so on. They know how to draw beautifully, correctly draw up patents, sharpen pencils. The area of ​​the circle is the length of the hypotenuse and other crap they have written in the designer's handbook like the grades of metals. In general, you get an epic pepelats. From the first RPG "Doublet" detonates with a break in the rear wall of the pepelatsa armor and detonation of adjacent elements. One thing is good after the explosion, relatively small pieces of metal will remain from it, which is convenient for processing.
    1. +7
      7 September 2015 10: 21
      Maybe I don’t know anything about welding thick plates, but ...
      From such delights as the "pike nose" a'la forehead of the IS-3 in tank building were abandoned because of what they discovered: when an armor-piercing blank hits, there is a bad tendency to destroy the weld with very sad consequences for the tank. And this is at rational angles, super-thick slab, just one seam on VLD, controlled conditions of continuous production ...
      There is a jigsaw puzzle of welded small pieces. It seems to me that the BB shell will destroy the VLD at the seams and will simply bring part of the welded pieces inside. The same thing from other angles.
      The idea itself does not seem to cause any complaints. But its execution is extremely doubtful. For strength, you need a radical reduction in the number of seams. That is, the maximum enlargement of the armor parts.
      And ... Somewhere somewhere, did anyone meet the Old on the thickness of armor and whether armor steel? Or was it welded from iron chocks from the nearest metal depot?
      1. +7
        7 September 2015 10: 41
        In general, it was precisely lumps that were welded. In this pepelats in battle, there is a chance to stay alive if you use the tank as an armored capsule, the rest of the kit of tin and explosives will fall apart during the first shelling of the PC. By the way, 500 kg will fall apart beautifully. High-quality explosives are packed in a tin case. The tank itself will drive a lunar landscape into the earth a half meter in the radius of 300 meters. Indescribable beauty. Vidos will become the leader of the YouTube 100500. After all, explosives for fireworks cost 100 000 in dead presidents.
        1. +3
          7 September 2015 10: 53
          Speaking of DZ. If they found 100 thousand dead raccoons on her, then God himself (or rather Bg) ordered them to perform an ultrasonic check of the welding quality and metallographic analysis of the thermal changes in the properties of the armored plate in the area of ​​overheating during welding. And then we can redistribute the seams and the armor from the impact will burst like a faceted glass.
          1. +6
            7 September 2015 11: 14
            Do you speak ultrasound? Yes, it can’t be stupidly painted because cracks are revealed after painting. In order not to introduce into the conglusive disonance the personnel of this ashtray is forbidden to paint it. So wait, just about one development will be covered with camouflage net, they will push branches and they will declare a five-fold reduction in infrared radiation two hundred times. So we are on the verge of giving birth to a legend of the invisible ashman of Azov. Eh mneb such a budget, I izcho and invisible armored train on my knee bungled.
          2. 0
            7 September 2015 11: 34
            Somewhere they will find an Ultrasonic flaw detector.
            1. +2
              7 September 2015 11: 49
              Somewhere they will find an Ultrasonic flaw detector.
              This is if they suspect of its existence and the need for such a thing.
          3. 0
            8 September 2015 17: 23
            Quote: abrakadabre
            for ultrasonic testing of welding quality and metallographic analysis

            Ultrasonic flaw detection of welds on the tank is not used. why I don’t know (most likely it makes no sense). I’m telling you, as a UVZ worker, on which each tank is examined at an ultrasound scan, but there are no tanks. Most likely from the meaninglessness of the result.
            1. 0
              9 September 2015 15: 52
              the thickness is not the same, but the result on the tanks is a kind of magic, the x-ray is more reliable, and the simplest option is to whitewash the top of the tank’s seam and coat it with kerosene from the inside artificially but very reliably at UVZ laboratory technicians will not allow such magic!
        2. +10
          7 September 2015 11: 51
          Quote: hjcuhfybwf
          In general, it was precisely lumps that were welded. In this pepelats in battle, there is a chance to stay alive if you use the tank as an armored capsule, the rest of the kit of tin and explosives will fall apart during the first shelling of the PC. By the way, 500 kg will fall apart beautifully. High-quality explosives are packed in a tin case. The tank itself will drive a lunar landscape into the earth a half meter in the radius of 300 meters. Indescribable beauty. Vidos will become the leader of the YouTube 100500. After all, explosives for fireworks cost 100 000 in dead presidents.


          What 500 kg are you talking about? "One tablet is enough" TM-57. That's what happened to the vaunted "Bulat" from her, and the fools from "Azov" mriyu about "fake" cameras from snipers. "Morons, bl * d" (c) S. Lavrov
          1. +6
            7 September 2015 12: 07
            500 kg are in the active protection elements in the absence of a reasonable thickness of the armor or, at worst, separation from it, the main armor breaks with the detonation of neighboring active protection elements; secondary fragments inside the tank crumble the personnel and lead to detonation of the ammunition. In the photo, the tank after the detonation of the secondary shell by secondary fragments of one tablet is not enough to tear the side as in the photo.
            1. +1
              7 September 2015 12: 57
              Quote: hjcuhfybwf
              500 kg are in the active protection elements in the absence of a reasonable thickness of the armor or, at worst, separation from it, the main armor breaks with the detonation of neighboring active protection elements; secondary fragments inside the tank crumble the personnel and lead to detonation of the ammunition. In the photo, the tank after the detonation of the secondary shell by secondary fragments of one tablet is not enough to tear the side as in the photo.
              Yes, I didn’t understand that you are talking about DZ ...
              Well, and, in fact, not about the internal explosion. And about the root cause of it ... in a red circle
      2. -1
        8 September 2015 17: 10
        Quote: abrakadabre
        Maybe I don’t know anything about welding thick plates,

        You definitely do not understand anything in welding any plates (no offense, please). Welds are no weaker than armor. When fired, the metal breaks through its own body, the seam remains intact.
        And the lattice on the roof of ukrovafly discussed not only by you, but also by some other forum participants is just a VDZ frame welded onto a solid armor plate of the roof (armored covers are screwed onto this frame, portions of plastid and other fillings are placed in the cavity.
        The products we are discussing from this do not get any better or worse: unequivocal convenience, but why pseudo-technological comments?
        1. -1
          9 September 2015 16: 00
          On top of a photo of a torn sheet for welding in nete, a bunch of photos of t-64 spread out on sides in all directions. And (no offense) in Kharkov at the factory, tell that their bodies in the Donbas are evil Gremlins cut through the weld from the inside and then detonate type BCs, they discredit the scientific school of armor plate welding.
    2. +2
      8 September 2015 16: 53
      Quote: hjcuhfybwf
      All that is welded by a manual arc will not go beyond 5 km

      All tanks in the world are welded by manual arc welding (of course, now they use semiautomatic devices, which is why this type of welding does not become unhandy and, moreover, ailing. Believe the person who not only works with alloy steel, but also makes tanks every day. "made with electrodes (I understood that you called this type of welding manual arc welding).
      1. +1
        9 September 2015 15: 45
        Quote: uwzek
        Quote: hjcuhfybwf
        All that is welded by a manual arc will not go beyond 5 km

        All tanks in the world are welded by manual arc welding (of course, now they use semiautomatic devices, which is why this type of welding does not become unhandy and, moreover, ailing. Believe the person who not only works with alloy steel, but also makes tanks every day. "made with electrodes (I understood that you called this type of welding manual arc welding).

        Many seams are naturally on top of the main armor of the weld fasteners of transitional inserts of mounting eyes and so on. in compliance with technology. But on the indicated pepelats everything is cooked by a manual arc because 1. there is no equipment 2. there is no personnel 3. There is no technology. 4. Stupidly no brains either. and tell the fool how to armor plates well, at least fifty dollars to weld without a lying electrode, flux selection and setting welding modes (well, there is direct reverse polarity, current variability, amperage). And even Papuans will be able to weld lugs semiautomatically into armor and it’s not difficult to find a welder certified on oil pipes in the outskirts only one horseradish that does not weld bursts.
  12. +10
    7 September 2015 10: 15
    Well, I'm not a tanker, but as a specialist in aircraft armament, the armament immediately slowed me down. GSH-23 - an aircraft gun, how are they going to be cooled under armored shells? Or is it their one-time use - turn on 50 shells and throw them away?
    1. 0
      7 September 2015 13: 48
      Quote: Taoist
      they are generally going to cool it under armored shells



      Can water cooling be done for GSH-23?
      1. +2
        7 September 2015 15: 10
        Almost unrealistic. There, after all, automation on a long course of the barrel with a mechanical pair is normal, you can’t hide it in any casing ...
        1. +2
          7 September 2015 17: 11
          Quote: Taoist
          Almost unrealistic. There, after all, automation on a long course of the barrel with a mechanical pair is normal, you can’t hide it in any casing ...

          Sure?
          Helicopter GSH-23V has liquid cooling.

          I’ll tell you more - there is a ground GSH-23 - in the 6MB3 combat compartment from Muromteplovoz.

          They also had 6MB4 - with GSh-30V.
          1. 0
            7 September 2015 20: 33
            Well, we learned only GSh-23 and 23L (for not helicopter pilots) - to be honest, I can hardly imagine the construct of such cooling on the movable block of the barrels of this gun ... Perhaps evaporative ... But as they say, "the need for invention is cunning" - apparently was wrong. It's easier to cool the GSH-30 all the same - the unit is rotating, slow down the rate of fire and get natural cooling ...
            1. 0
              16 September 2015 22: 30
              Quote: Taoist
              After all, there is automation on a long stroke of the barrel with a mechanical pair -

              GSH-23
              ".... Automation of the weapon was set in motion by a gas-operated engine, into which the powder gases entered when fired from one or the other barrel. The common unit fed cartridges from one cartridge belt. Instead of the previously popular rack feed systems in the GSH-23 device used a gear drive with an asterisk pulling in the cartridge belt.Each barrel had its own nodes for lowering the cartridge from the tape into the chamber, its ramming, locking and extraction of the sleeve. The mechanisms of one barrel were kinematically connected to the mechanisms of the other barrel using rocker arms, alternating the operation of the nodes and flow between two blocks: locking the barrel of one fell on the unlocking of the other, the ejection of the sleeve - to send a cartridge in the adjacent one.This scheme made it possible to somewhat simplify the kinematics, since the sliders during rollback and coasting moved linearly, only forward and backward, and their movement was carried out forcibly by the action of gas pistons, without any return springs, in contrastfrom the same Kalashnikov assault rifle. Thanks to this, it was possible to achieve a good dynamic balance of the automation in the direction of rollback and to realize high reliability of the system ...... "
    2. -1
      7 September 2015 20: 21
      Quote: Taoist
      Well, I'm not a tanker, but as a specialist in aircraft armament, the armament immediately slowed me down.


      And this is not important, the main thing is to allocate money.
      "Ta-ram-there-there and our tanks are fast"
      the task - apparently to release in a series, to budget for it, and who will ride there and how to shoot, this is the tenth thing.
      The main thing is that it is UKRAINIAN. Great Ukrmobile.
    3. 0
      8 September 2015 17: 34
      Quote: Taoist
      how are they going to cool her under armored shells? Or is it their one-time use - a burst of 50 shells and throw them away?

      And what cool the landing version of the GSH-23? Another thing is how they want to reload it, and whether this installation will stand the shoulder strap of a standard commander's hatch?
  13. +3
    7 September 2015 10: 17
    What can I say ?!
    1) such a technique is really necessary for Ukrainians right now, because "drang nah ..." turned out exactly there. So they jump as they can and how it turns out ... And they saw the balishko under this business ...
    2) artisanal development - always artisanal development. So it was, is and will be.
    3) two towers - it is somehow incomprehensible.
    4) the installation of the ZU-23 in the commander’s turret from the T-64, originally designed for a 12.7 mm machine gun, is even more incomprehensible.
    5) Judging by the photos, the armor is supposed to be layered.
    6) due to the increase in the dimensions of the hull, statements about a mass of 40 tons and equal-strength armor at least around the perimeter look very controversial.
    1. +3
      7 September 2015 10: 46
      point by point:
      1. So it seems that the arguments expressed here are on the surface, and even with artisanal production, one can think of all of the above. It is not that difficult.
      2. I agree. There is no time for ultrasonic and other control of welds and attraction of sopromat.
      3. Give five towers !!! And to the size as in the Khortitsky fortress!
      4. It is enough just to voice the recoil force of the 12,7 mm machine gun and air gun wink
      5. Back in the 19th century, in shipbuilding, it was found out that multilayer metal armor has a lower resistance than monolithic.
      1. +1
        7 September 2015 10: 57
        These are elements of the built-in DZ Knife. They say that she is mega-super-duper, but I still doubt her effectiveness. Multilayer armor, by the way, is much stronger than monolithic and is now used not only on tanks, but also on armored personnel carriers.
        1. +2
          7 September 2015 11: 10
          They say that she is mega-super-duper, but I still doubt her effectiveness. Multilayer armor, by the way, is much stronger than monolithic and is now used not only on tanks, but also on armored personnel carriers.
          Do not be a beech, look carefully. Multilayer - this is when just a stack of several thinner steel sheets. For example, to reduce the cost of production or inaccessibility of thick plates. You are talking about composite when there are special fillers between the layers of armor. For example, ceramics.
          So, the first one is weaker than a monolith, the second one can be no worse or stronger.
          1. 0
            7 September 2015 12: 42
            Here on this machine is just the 64-th composite with a DZ mounted on top. If they do not lie, then the VLD is made of two VLDs padded 64-approx.
        2. 0
          7 September 2015 12: 43
          Quote: Forest
          These are elements of the built-in DZ Knife.

          This is anything but "Knife"
      2. +1
        7 September 2015 12: 42
        Quote: abrakadabre
        As far back as the 19th century, in shipbuilding, it was found that multilayer metal armor has a lower resistance than monolithic.

        I will not argue with this, because I do not know, but I think that the main emphasis in this "wunderwaffle" is on protection from RPG No. 7, and therefore, there are not only and not so much metal going to use. Most likely, the gaskets will be made of polyethylene, which tends to somewhat disperse the cumulative jet. Maybe something else will be crammed. Rubber, for example, cut from Komaz tires. Maybe some kind of ceramics will be put in place (clay is in Ukraine its own! -)).
        Quote: abrakadabre
        So, it seems like the arguments expressed by us here lie on the surface, and even with artisanal production, you can think of all of the above. It is not that difficult.
        Why do I think I drank it? If you would need a device, you would quickly build it up by removing the tower and installing two of the armored personnel carriers in the vacant doorway ... And so, like a whole R&D .. I also collect fees on the Internet for this purpose.
  14. +7
    7 September 2015 10: 57
    The tank, as already mentioned above, has two towers (these are modified T-64 commander towers) with remote control. Each tower has a GSh23 double-barreled installation,


    This is a repetition of the first BMPT prototypes. On the photo - Object 781
    1. +3
      7 September 2015 11: 16
      Quite rightly, this is just "dumber and many times worse"
  15. 0
    7 September 2015 10: 58
    Its main developer was the chief (in the past) designer of 115 BTRZ Nikolay Stepanov


    I wonder if he voluntarily or at gunpoint to work?
  16. +3
    7 September 2015 11: 01
    Whatever the Nazi regiment (although even the ukrovoyaki of the zbrodny forces themselves admit that in fact there are no more companies, at most two (the rest with weapons in the cities), then there is its own design bureau and shadow government with the deputy commander in the Rada ...
  17. +4
    7 September 2015 11: 15
    In the photo, and video t-64 sheathed in pieces of shit. On which they will try to fasten two towers from the BTR-70. Then they will write about the extraordinary power of this in order to beg for money for the construction of the same coffins.
  18. +1
    7 September 2015 13: 28
    I wonder what is the mine defense of this Ukrainian wunderwaffe? Further: the enemy actively uses smoke bombs in battle and creates smoke screens. How can all these cameras operate in such conditions, especially if it happens at night and in bad weather with fog? In general, really an iron coffin.
    1. 0
      7 September 2015 14: 58
      For rather small household camcorders, there may be a problem of commonplace pollution. From burning sediment to soil from tears and spray.
  19. 0
    7 September 2015 14: 03
    If it is positioned as BMPT, then why the hell is it so high?
    1. 0
      8 September 2015 11: 42
      Height is the main thing. See the designer’s interview. He honestly said that he is trying to install the maximum number of dynamic protection units in this pepelats 500 pieces per 100 greenery. Give him free rein and he will weld them in two layers on the bottom. And do not hesitate over the designer, the globe of Ukraine on his head fell 000 times.
  20. 0
    7 September 2015 16: 46
    The regiment "Azov" over the past year engaged in the development of "new" samples of armored vehicles. The first development was called the “Azovets” and is already positioned as “the best tank for fighting in the city”.
    I wonder who they want to pair their invention with. Judging by the article, they themselves do not want to exploit it. laughing
  21. 0
    7 September 2015 17: 57
    Far away on such a prodigy they won’t leave. laughing
  22. 0
    7 September 2015 18: 30
    In fact, it is simply impossible to give any definition to a new machine. Rather, you can call it an armored fighting vehicle for fighting in the city


    The author is not aware that for 15 years there has been BMPT?

    And most importantly, the article does not contain interviews with the creator of this "papenatz" - the latter stated in all seriousness that in a collision with Armata he would be able to prevail (sic!).
  23. +1
    7 September 2015 19: 12
    An interesting handicraft project, nothing more, the next thing that may interest about this "homemade" is the results of its application!
  24. 0
    7 September 2015 19: 41
    A good coffin, beautiful, people tried for themselves.
    And already in the narrow streets, then immediately kaput.mozhno and hang wreaths.
    Everlasting memory. fool soldier
  25. 0
    7 September 2015 20: 06
    Judging by the appearance, this is an unarmoured prototype for sea trials or even a layout model. Most likely, there will not be enough pennies before a full-scale BBM
  26. 0
    7 September 2015 21: 49
    I wonder how much this bandura will travel on batteries.
  27. 0
    7 September 2015 22: 46
    some kind of hybrid m113 and motorbike
  28. 0
    7 September 2015 23: 10
    Another tower from Sherman to put smile
  29. 0
    9 September 2015 13: 47
    The Russian troops have no heavy infantry fighting vehicles either! You can not laugh at Ukraine, T-15 when it still gets into the army. The Duma, in the storming of such a BMP Grozny, our soldiers would rejoice.
  30. +2
    29 September 2015 08: 28
    Coming soon on the screens of the country: Mad Max V - Iron Cap
    :)

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