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In the regiment "Azov" developed a "new" model of armored vehicles

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The regiment "Azov" over the past year engaged in the development of "new" samples of armored vehicles. The first development was called the “Azovets” and is already positioned as “the best tank for fighting in the city”.

Its main developer was the chief (in the past) designer of the 115 BTRZ, Nikolay Stepanov. He is known for having worked on such projects of armored vehicles with a high level of protection, as the BMPT-64 (armored vehicle based on T-64, T-66).

According to experts, the design of the support combat vehicle tanks quite original. In the aft of the cabin there is a hatch for the crew. The crew is 4 people. Hatches are also installed on the towers (there are two of them). The location of the hatches makes it possible to get inside the machine as quickly as possible. Other weakened areas, according to the designers, are not provided. The mass of the new development is 40 tons.

The developers claim that the armor everywhere on the new machine is equally “thick”, and even more, all of it is lined with active protection in several layers. So, according to available information, the machine has a doublet tandem protection. Total set 500 eDZ (the cost of each such element is 200 US dollars).

Also, according to the designers' assurances, thanks to the special design of the armor, the crew of the car will be reliably protected. Even in the case of falling into the side of the sabot projectile, the machine will not receive much damage.

In the tank, as already mentioned above, there are two towers (these are modified T-64 commander's turrets) with remote control. Each tower is equipped with a double-barreled installation GSHNUMX, which is capable of producing more than three thousand shots in one minute and turning light concrete fortifications into a pile of construction waste. In addition, it is also planned to install large-caliber machine guns, “Stugna” complexes and four guns for mortar firing.

Experts had time to evaluate the new development. According to them, the statement about the superiority of the new machine over all the tanks that existed until that time cannot be taken seriously. But at the same time, the car looks quite powerful and interesting. In particular, an interesting solution with the chassis (not Toyota, and MBT). In addition, the designers identified the main priorities in the concept of an armored vehicle for melee: a good overview is not at the expense of security, all-high security, as well as multi-channel weapons.

According to experts, the capabilities of the armored vehicle will be reduced due to its unprofessional origin and low consumption of resources. According to their characteristics, the outdoor camera cameras are much inferior to the all-day specialized tank sights with a night channel. To say that the car will be installed several thermal imagers, it is not necessary, because the cost of the machine will increase significantly. However, the developers claim that they have abandoned triplexes, because the enemy is hitting them, trying to blind the tank. Therefore, cameras with all-round visibility are the best option. In addition, it is supposed to install several fake cameras along the hull in order to mislead the enemy snipers.

Experts also note that the load capacity of the T-64 chassis is not so high as to protect the bottom and the roof of the car as reliably as the sides.

At the same time, the armored vehicle was created for quite specific conditions - for use in the zone of the antiterrorist operation in the Donbas, where the use of “roof-covering” anti-tank systems was not observed. Those artillery munitions that have anti-splice cluster elements do not have sufficiently strong penetrability.

Experts also note that the rear-engine layout will cause certain inconveniences in the dismounting of the crew. But at the same time, the developers said "Azovets" as a combat vehicle supporting tanks, and not an infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier, therefore, apparently, the transportation of the landing force is not expected.

At first glance it may seem that the new development is a pure adventure, because powerful enterprises should be engaged in the production of equipment. And one more interesting aspect: “Azovets” is called a tank. In fact, to give any definition of a new car is simply impossible. Rather, you can call it a combat armored vehicle for fighting in the city.

However, the definition, in the same way as the evaluation of the effectiveness, the new machine will be able to receive only after practical application.

In the regiment "Azov" developed a "new" model of armored vehicles





Materials used:
http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/380779.html
http://xvesti.ru/eto-interesno/1408-azovec.html
http://www.milnavigator.com/polk-azov-razrabatyvaet-unikalnye-obrazcy-bronetexniki/
http://ru.tsn.ua/ato/ukraincy-izobreli-nevidannuyu-do-etogo-vremeni-v-mire-voennuyu-tehniku-tank-s-dvumya-bashnyami-474099.html
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  1. City
    City 7 September 2015 06: 27 New
    +14
    Well done guys - they made a self-propelled coffin, the main thing is that there would be more ukronatsists in it good
    1. qwert
      qwert 7 September 2015 07: 19 New
      +26
      "The enemy is beaten in triplexes," and the round-robin video cameras do not wake up for humane reasons ???
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 7 September 2015 10: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: qwert
        doesn’t it wake up to use the video cameras for humane reasons?

        My dear citizens, when will you all begin to read for real? Indeed, the article clearly said this, Russian on white!
        Quote: quote from an article
        Therefore, cameras with a circular view are the most optimal option. In addition, it is planned to install several fake cameras along the hull in order to mislead the enemy snipers.
        But about this reading on the site repeatedly started talking!
        1. mejik
          mejik 7 September 2015 11: 00 New
          +7
          Quote: quote from an article
          Therefore, cameras with a circular view are the most optimal option. In addition, it is planned to install several fake cameras along the hull in order to mislead the enemy snipers.


          ... and prohibit the shooting of a child prodigy from machine guns, as well as the use of anti-tank mines and land mines. You might think that only a sniper is the headache of the tank. It’s ridiculous.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 7 September 2015 13: 10 New
          +6
          Quote: Hedgehog
          But about this reading on the site repeatedly started talking!

          And it has been repeatedly noted that such a design is good exactly as long as it is necessary to disperse the zusuls with a light gunner. As soon as the zusuls have artillery and competent artillerymen, there’s no question of any “snipers” - the armored vehicles begin sprinkle with chalk fragmentation shells.
          New Russians have artillery. Gunners too. Communication and interaction ... judging by uv. Murza, this is a big problem.
      2. Insurgent LC
        Insurgent LC 7 September 2015 12: 36 New
        +5
        for battle in the city, Molotov cocktails and flamethrowers have not yet been canceled
      3. Juborg
        Juborg 7 September 2015 14: 18 New
        +4
        They deliberately turned their brainchild into a self-moving coffin. Periscope shooting is an anachronism left in the summer. Moreover, even through a broken periscope there is enough visibility (albeit in a web). Well, unprotected optics (household cameras) to put out of action a trifling matter.
        And machine gun campaigns are removed from turntables and planes, of course, why in the Ukraine aviation.
    2. mejik
      mejik 7 September 2015 11: 06 New
      +17
      Quote: Grad
      Well done guys - they made a self-propelled coffin, the main thing is that there would be more ukronatsists in it good


      Iron caput!
      1. Malkor
        Malkor 7 September 2015 14: 10 New
        +12
        The idea is good - the implementation of bullshit. The durability of the case is doubtful: is armor steel used? the roof is not homogeneous cast or welded, but the frame is made of profiles, which leads to a weakening of the structure and in the case of a hit of low stability - especially against high-explosive bombs (will lead the structure). The same armor around the perimeter is bad - since the most likely hit is in the forehead. All this in total is not strange - good - because the worse the Nazis have the equipment, the better the guys from Donbass.
    3. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 7 September 2015 14: 15 New
      +1
      escho a little and they enti armor-targets put on the stream ... smile
  2. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 7 September 2015 07: 13 New
    +3
    A crematorium, on a caterpillar track .... Like our relatives, some kind of anti Midas, to which they will not touch the rake, everything turns into a kaku ...
  3. Glot
    Glot 7 September 2015 07: 17 New
    +3
    On the Israeli armored personnel carrier "Namer" it seems.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 7 September 2015 10: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Glot
      On the Israeli armored personnel carrier "Namer" it seems

      There are some similarities. But isn’t it easier to wait for the completion of the construction of this device?
    2. PROXOR
      PROXOR 7 September 2015 11: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: Glot
      On the Israeli armored personnel carrier "Namer" it seems.

      For me it is so similar to the Panzerkampfwagen V Panther, It’s the T5 Panther. Only one uropchiki not taken into account. The lower the profile of the car, the harder it is to get into it.

      PySy: Fried dill ordered?))))
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 September 2015 11: 31 New
        +3
        For an anti-tank missile anyway, a high profile or a low one will hit.
        1. PROXOR
          PROXOR 7 September 2015 11: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          For an anti-tank missile anyway, a high profile or a low one will hit.

          Well, the rocket still needs to "catch" on the target.
    3. Großer feldherr
      Großer feldherr 7 September 2015 12: 38 New
      +7

      Quote: Glot
      On the Israeli armored personnel carrier "Namer" it seems.

      The similarity is only externally due to the common chassis, because the “naper” is a full-fledged heavy infantry fighting vehicle, and the “Azovian” is just a fighting vehicle, without any classification and clear purpose, except for PR.
      After all, the “independent” ones are developing quite not badly according to the BMPV-64, which seems to even exist in 2 copies, it’s enough to set up a release for which there is no money in a bankrupt country, what’s the PR of this artisanal wender-wafer at the level of ISIS gantraks? ?
      1. Glot
        Glot 7 September 2015 14: 42 New
        +2
        So you yourself answered your question. Because there are no funds for full-fledged research and production of equipment in a bankrupt country. Yes and not to them now. So every man is wriggling to himself in order to at least somehow cover himself in battle.
        History, she walks in a circle. Remember our "NI-1" during the Second World War. They also sculpted how and from what they could.
      2. Glot
        Glot 7 September 2015 14: 42 New
        +2
        So you yourself answered your question. Because there are no funds for full-fledged research and production of equipment in a bankrupt country. Yes and not to them now. So every man is wriggling to himself in order to at least somehow cover himself in battle.
        History, she walks in a circle. Remember our "NI-1" during the Second World War. They also sculpted how and from what they could.
  4. Mother Theresa
    Mother Theresa 7 September 2015 08: 38 New
    +3
    Of all the previously presented cars, this is the most interesting. It is alarming that this is not quite a makeshift development assembled in the backyard, but a project developed by a specialist and executed on a very serious production base.
    1. mejik
      mejik 7 September 2015 11: 04 New
      +6
      it remains only to make sure that the armor steel was used, and not the boiler room ... There are serious doubts.
      1. Rader
        Rader 7 September 2015 20: 30 New
        0
        Quote: mejik
        it remains only to make sure that the armor steel was used, and not the boiler room ... There are serious doubts.

        A DZ knife in several layers? A 2. GSH 23 2? This is something psychedelic, not the result of the work of engineers. But it should be noted that THIS looks much better than its predecessors.
  5. castle
    castle 7 September 2015 08: 42 New
    0
    And there was and still is such a US machine M113. The attitude to her is different. . Indeed, some say that it cannot be worse, others, just give it. Ratio, approximately 50 to 50.
  6. Engineer
    Engineer 7 September 2015 08: 43 New
    +1
    There was already such a topic.
  7. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 7 September 2015 08: 52 New
    +4
    Am I confused by the number of welds in the frontal (and not only the frontal) armor? The feeling that it was assembled from scraps that remained of what kind of production.
    What will happen to the frontal armor, and specifically to the welds, when a good old high-explosive (or armor-piercing) projectile hits VLD?
    I have never met armored vehicles in which the armor parts are not monolithic. Okromya armored trains and battleships.
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 7 September 2015 10: 19 New
      +1
      And these people sculpt the multilayer armor (stinks?) ... like there are all kinds of gaskets from materials of super-secret and camouflage-kinetic and petrit-resistant. wink
      1. Unclean
        Unclean 7 September 2015 12: 38 New
        0
        Quote: tchoni
        And these people sculpt the multilayer armor (stinks?) ... like there are all kinds of gaskets from materials of super-secret and camouflage-kinetic and petrit-resistant. wink

        ... bullets of shells and all kinds of crap from the greens In general, she is bewitched, she’ll be thrown out of the blockade and no one will get into her, either with a rocket or with a bullet, you won’t even take a slingshot. Tremble! Dill comes out !!
    2. mejik
      mejik 7 September 2015 11: 11 New
      +5
      the welding quality of T-64 cases will not improve if you weld patches on top. Nobody has digested the case.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 September 2015 21: 47 New
        0
        Or maybe they were digesting, no matter how, no matter how designers are from the street.
  8. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 7 September 2015 09: 00 New
    +6
    Idiots! Spoiled a good tank. However, it is good and more and more fascists in this miracle will kill themselves.
    On tank resources, it’s tal that the defense is made illiterate. By the way, where did they get the armor plate, special electrodes? One makeshift handicraft does not solve anything, in my opinion, all this fuss, apart from propaganda, has the goal of slandering from the front (House No. 6).
  9. Free wind
    Free wind 7 September 2015 09: 15 New
    0
    They took a tank, turned it around, the engine inside it turned around 180 degrees, strengthened the frontal protection. Aft, the armor was weakened and the hatches were welded, a perfectly normal solution, already run-in. In Israel, to ensure the passage from the stern, with the engine they were wise. By the way, say on the T-15, which Armata, did exactly the same as on the Ukrainian machine.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 7 September 2015 10: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Free Wind
      The T-15, which is Armata, was made exactly the same as in the Ukrainian car.

      Wrong! Armata already specifically exists and is being tested, but the "Azovets" is only going. So who does anyone look like? Who borrowed the idea from anyone?
    2. pv1005
      pv1005 7 September 2015 11: 27 New
      0
      They took a tank, turned it around, the engine inside it turned around 180 degrees,

      Are you talking about what tank they were talking about, T64, T72, T80 ??? request
    3. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 16 September 2015 22: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Free Wind
      They took a tank, turned it around, the engine inside it turned around 180 degrees,

      If you look at the photo, the exhaust pipe is in its regular place and is directed back. Or, in your opinion, the tank rides the exhaust pipe forward?
  10. kind
    kind 7 September 2015 09: 19 New
    +2
    Molotov cocktail on the air intake grill and that’s all ... Then, as in the cinema, burning Natsiks come out of the manholes and fall struck by machine-gun bursts. The armor remains intact, as required. In short, "overpower", and lads in this reusable crematorium will still be recruited.
    1. hjcuhfybwf
      hjcuhfybwf 7 September 2015 10: 01 New
      +8
      Armor This is not a windowless stall
    2. uwzek
      uwzek 8 September 2015 16: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Good
      Molotov cocktail on the air intake grill and all.

      The air intake grille has a fairly small size (somewhere 500 to 200 mm) and is heavily covered by a tower. The intake channel has an anti-palm loop. You cannot stop a modern tank with one bottle.
      Perhaps you confuse the air intake grille with the grille above the radiators, but through it your cocktail will spit out in a split second. Again, without much harm to the car ...
  11. hjcuhfybwf
    hjcuhfybwf 7 September 2015 09: 48 New
    +12
    All that is welded by a manual arc will not go beyond 5 km
    1. cracks will go (have already gone, believe the word who brewed doped silence about armor confirm)
    2. The designers of such saw a lot are impressive mainly by the presence of prizes, patents, amounts from patents for which they were thrown, and so on. They are able to draw beautifully, competently execute patents, sharpen pencils. The circle area is long hypotenuse and other crap they have written in the designer’s directory as well as metal grades. In general, an epic pepelats will turn out. From the first RPG, the Duplet detonates with a break in the back wall of the pepelats armor and detonation of neighboring elements. One good thing after the explosion is that relatively small pieces of metal remain conveniently processed.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 7 September 2015 10: 21 New
      +7
      Maybe I don’t know anything about welding thick plates, but ...
      Such frills as the "pike nose" and the forehead of the IS-3 were abandoned in tank building due to the fact that they found that when armor-piercing ingots hit, there is a bad tendency to destroy the weld with very sad consequences for the tank. And this with rational angles, an extra-thick plate, only one seam on the VLD, controlled by the conditions of in-line production ...
      There is a jigsaw puzzle of welded small pieces. It seems to me that the BB shell will destroy the VLD at the seams and will simply bring part of the welded pieces inside. The same thing from other angles.
      The idea itself does not seem to cause any complaints. But its execution is extremely doubtful. For strength, you need a radical reduction in the number of seams. That is, the maximum enlargement of the armor parts.
      And ... Somewhere somewhere, did anyone meet the Old on the thickness of armor and whether armor steel? Or was it welded from iron chocks from the nearest metal depot?
      1. hjcuhfybwf
        hjcuhfybwf 7 September 2015 10: 41 New
        +7
        In general, it was precisely lumps that were welded. In this pepelats in battle, there is a chance to stay alive if you use the tank as an armored capsule, the rest of the kit of tin and explosives will fall apart during the first shelling of the PC. By the way, 500 kg will fall apart beautifully. High-quality explosives are packed in a tin case. The tank itself will drive a lunar landscape into the earth a half meter in the radius of 300 meters. Indescribable beauty. Vidos will become the leader of the YouTube 100500. After all, explosives for fireworks cost 100 000 in dead presidents.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 7 September 2015 10: 53 New
          +3
          Speaking of DZ. If they found 100 thousand dead raccoons on her, then God himself (or rather Bg) ordered them to perform an ultrasonic check of the welding quality and metallographic analysis of the thermal changes in the properties of the armored plate in the area of ​​overheating during welding. And then we can redistribute the seams and the armor from the impact will burst like a faceted glass.
          1. hjcuhfybwf
            hjcuhfybwf 7 September 2015 11: 14 New
            +6
            Do you speak ultrasound? Yes, it can’t be stupidly painted because cracks are revealed after painting. In order not to introduce into the conglusive disonance the personnel of this ashtray is forbidden to paint it. So wait, just about one development will be covered with camouflage net, they will push branches and they will declare a five-fold reduction in infrared radiation two hundred times. So we are on the verge of giving birth to a legend of the invisible ashman of Azov. Eh mneb such a budget, I izcho and invisible armored train on my knee bungled.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 7 September 2015 11: 34 New
            0
            Somewhere they will find an Ultrasonic flaw detector.
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 7 September 2015 11: 49 New
              +2
              Somewhere they will find an Ultrasonic flaw detector.
              This is if they suspect of its existence and the need for such a thing.
          3. uwzek
            uwzek 8 September 2015 17: 23 New
            0
            Quote: abrakadabre
            for ultrasonic testing of welding quality and metallographic analysis

            Ultrasonic flaw detection of welds on the tank is not used. why I don’t know (most likely it makes no sense). I’m telling you, as a UVZ worker, on which each tank is examined at an ultrasound scan, but there are no tanks. Most likely from the meaninglessness of the result.
            1. hjcuhfybwf
              hjcuhfybwf 9 September 2015 15: 52 New
              0
              the thickness is not the same, but the result on the tanks is a kind of magic, the x-ray is more reliable, and the simplest option is to whitewash the top of the tank’s seam and coat it with kerosene from the inside artificially but very reliably at UVZ laboratory technicians will not allow such magic!
        2. mejik
          mejik 7 September 2015 11: 51 New
          +10
          Quote: hjcuhfybwf
          In general, it was precisely lumps that were welded. In this pepelats in battle, there is a chance to stay alive if you use the tank as an armored capsule, the rest of the kit of tin and explosives will fall apart during the first shelling of the PC. By the way, 500 kg will fall apart beautifully. High-quality explosives are packed in a tin case. The tank itself will drive a lunar landscape into the earth a half meter in the radius of 300 meters. Indescribable beauty. Vidos will become the leader of the YouTube 100500. After all, explosives for fireworks cost 100 000 in dead presidents.


          What kind of 500 kg are you talking about? "One tablet is enough" TM-57. That’s what happened with the vaunted “Bulat” from her, and fools from the “Azov” mriyut about the “fake” cameras from snipers. “Morons, fucking dd” (c) S. Lavrov
          1. hjcuhfybwf
            hjcuhfybwf 7 September 2015 12: 07 New
            +6
            500 kg are in the active protection elements in the absence of a reasonable thickness of the armor or, at worst, separation from it, the main armor breaks with the detonation of neighboring active protection elements; secondary fragments inside the tank crumble the personnel and lead to detonation of the ammunition. In the photo, the tank after the detonation of the secondary shell by secondary fragments of one tablet is not enough to tear the side as in the photo.
            1. mejik
              mejik 7 September 2015 12: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: hjcuhfybwf
              500 kg are in the active protection elements in the absence of a reasonable thickness of the armor or, at worst, separation from it, the main armor breaks with the detonation of neighboring active protection elements; secondary fragments inside the tank crumble the personnel and lead to detonation of the ammunition. In the photo, the tank after the detonation of the secondary shell by secondary fragments of one tablet is not enough to tear the side as in the photo.
              Yes, I didn’t understand that you are talking about DZ ...
              Well, and, in fact, not about the internal explosion. And about the root cause of it ... in a red circle
      2. uwzek
        uwzek 8 September 2015 17: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: abrakadabre
        Maybe I don’t know anything about welding thick plates,

        You definitely do not understand anything in welding any plates (no offense, please). Welds are no weaker than armor. When fired, the metal breaks through its own body, the seam remains intact.
        And the lattice on the roof of ukrovafly discussed not only by you, but also by some other forum participants is just a VDZ frame welded onto a solid armor plate of the roof (armored covers are screwed onto this frame, portions of plastid and other fillings are placed in the cavity.
        The products we are discussing from this do not get any better or worse: unequivocal convenience, but why pseudo-technological comments?
        1. hjcuhfybwf
          hjcuhfybwf 9 September 2015 16: 00 New
          -1
          On top of a photo of a torn sheet for welding in nete, a bunch of photos of t-64 spread out on sides in all directions. And (no offense) in Kharkov at the factory, tell that their bodies in the Donbas are evil Gremlins cut through the weld from the inside and then detonate type BCs, they discredit the scientific school of armor plate welding.
    2. uwzek
      uwzek 8 September 2015 16: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: hjcuhfybwf
      All that is welded by a manual arc will not go beyond 5 km

      All tanks in the world are brewed by manual arc welding (of course, now they use semi-automatic machines, which makes this type of welding non-manual and, moreover, non-metallic. Believe the person who not only works with alloy steel, but also makes tanks every day. Many welds on fittings "made by electrodes (I realized that you called this type of welding manual arc).
      1. hjcuhfybwf
        hjcuhfybwf 9 September 2015 15: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: uwzek
        Quote: hjcuhfybwf
        All that is welded by a manual arc will not go beyond 5 km

        All tanks in the world are brewed by manual arc welding (of course, now they use semi-automatic machines, which makes this type of welding non-manual and, moreover, non-metallic. Believe the person who not only works with alloy steel, but also makes tanks every day. Many welds on fittings "made by electrodes (I realized that you called this type of welding manual arc).

        Many seams are naturally on top of the main armor of the weld fasteners of transitional inserts of mounting eyes and so on. in compliance with technology. But on the indicated pepelats everything is cooked by a manual arc because 1. there is no equipment 2. there is no personnel 3. There is no technology. 4. Stupidly no brains either. and tell the fool how to armor plates well, at least fifty dollars to weld without a lying electrode, flux selection and setting welding modes (well, there is direct reverse polarity, current variability, amperage). And even Papuans will be able to weld lugs semiautomatically into armor and it’s not difficult to find a welder certified on oil pipes in the outskirts only one horseradish that does not weld bursts.
  12. Taoist
    Taoist 7 September 2015 10: 15 New
    +10
    Well, I'm not a tanker, but as a specialist in aircraft armament, the armament immediately slowed me down. GSH-23 - an aircraft gun, how are they going to be cooled under armored shells? Or is it their one-time use - turn on 50 shells and throw them away?
    1. Simple
      Simple 7 September 2015 13: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Taoist
      they are generally going to cool it under armored shells



      Can water cooling be done for GSH-23?
      1. Taoist
        Taoist 7 September 2015 15: 10 New
        +2
        Almost unrealistic. There, after all, automation on a long course of the barrel with a mechanical pair is normal, you can’t hide it in any casing ...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 7 September 2015 17: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Taoist
          Almost unrealistic. There, after all, automation on a long course of the barrel with a mechanical pair is normal, you can’t hide it in any casing ...

          Sure?
          Helicopter GSH-23V has liquid cooling.

          I’ll tell you more - there is a ground GSH-23 - in the 6MB3 combat compartment from Muromteplovoz.

          They also had 6MB4 - with GSh-30V.
          1. Taoist
            Taoist 7 September 2015 20: 33 New
            0
            Well, we only taught GSh-23 and 23L (because they are not helicopter pilots) - I honestly can hardly imagine the design of such cooling on the moving block of the barrel of this gun ... Unless evaporative ... But as they say, "the imagination gimmick" is apparently was wrong. GSH-30 is still easier to cool - the unit is rotating, lower the rate of fire and get natural cooling ...
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 16 September 2015 22: 30 New
              0
              Quote: Taoist
              After all, there is automation on a long stroke of the barrel with a mechanical pair -

              GSH-23
              ".... Automation of the weapon was set in motion by a gas-driven engine, into which powder gases came from shots from one or the other barrel. The general unit supplied cartridges from one cartridge belt. Instead of the previously popular rack-mounted feeding systems in the GSh-23 device they used a gear drive with an asterisk pulling the cartridge belt. Each barrel had its own units for reducing the cartridge from the tape to the chamber, its retraction, locking and extraction of the sleeve. The mechanisms of one barrel were kinematically connected with the mechanisms the other barrel using rocker levers, alternating between the work of nodes and the feed between the two blocks: locking the barrel of one account for unlocking the other, ejecting the cartridge case for reloading the cartridge in the neighboring one.This scheme allowed us to somewhat simplify the kinematics, since the sliders moved linearly when rolling back and forth only forward and backward, and their movement was carried out forcibly by the action of gas pistons, without any return springs, in contrast to the same Kalashnikov assault rifle. Thanks to this, it was possible to achieve a good dynamic balance of automation in the rollback direction and realize high reliability of the system ...... "
    2. tatarin_ru
      tatarin_ru 7 September 2015 20: 21 New
      -1
      Quote: Taoist
      Well, I'm not a tanker, but as a specialist in aircraft armament, the armament immediately slowed me down.


      And this is not important, the main thing is to allocate money.
      "Ta-ram-there-there and our tanks are fast"
      the task - apparently to release in a series, to budget for it, and who will ride there and how to shoot, this is the tenth thing.
      The main thing is that it is UKRAINIAN. Great Ukrmobile.
    3. uwzek
      uwzek 8 September 2015 17: 34 New
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      Quote: Taoist
      how are they going to cool her under armored shells? Or is it their one-time use - a burst of 50 shells and throw them away?

      And what cool the landing version of the GSH-23? Another thing is how they want to reload it, and whether this installation will stand the shoulder strap of a standard commander's hatch?
  13. tchoni
    tchoni 7 September 2015 10: 17 New
    +3
    What can I say ?!
    1) this technique is really needed by Ukrainians right now, because "drang nah ..." turned out exactly there. So they jump as much as they can and how it turns out ... And the balishka is being cut under this business ...
    2) artisanal development - always artisanal development. So it was, is and will be.
    3) two towers - it is somehow incomprehensible.
    4) the installation of the ZU-23 in the commander’s turret from the T-64, originally designed for a 12.7 mm machine gun, is even more incomprehensible.
    5) Judging by the photos, the armor is supposed to be layered.
    6) due to the increase in the dimensions of the hull, statements about a mass of 40 tons and equal-strength armor at least around the perimeter look very controversial.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 7 September 2015 10: 46 New
      +3
      point by point:
      1. So it seems that the arguments expressed here are on the surface, and even with artisanal production, one can think of all of the above. It is not that difficult.
      2. I agree. There is no time for ultrasonic and other control of welds and attraction of sopromat.
      3. Give five towers !!! And to the size as in the Khortitsky fortress!
      4. It is enough just to voice the recoil force of the 12,7 mm machine gun and air gun wink
      5. Back in the 19th century, in shipbuilding, it was found out that multilayer metal armor has a lower resistance than monolithic.
      1. Forest
        Forest 7 September 2015 10: 57 New
        +1
        These are elements of the built-in DZ Knife. They say that she is mega-super-duper, but I still doubt her effectiveness. Multilayer armor, by the way, is much stronger than monolithic and is now used not only on tanks, but also on armored personnel carriers.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 7 September 2015 11: 10 New
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          They say that she is mega-super-duper, but I still doubt her effectiveness. Multilayer armor, by the way, is much stronger than monolithic and is now used not only on tanks, but also on armored personnel carriers.
          Do not be a beech, look carefully. Multilayer - this is when just a stack of several thinner steel sheets. For example, to reduce the cost of production or inaccessibility of thick plates. You are talking about composite when there are special fillers between the layers of armor. For example, ceramics.
          So, the first one is weaker than a monolith, the second one can be no worse or stronger.
          1. Forest
            Forest 7 September 2015 12: 42 New
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            Here on this machine is just the 64-th composite with a DZ mounted on top. If they do not lie, then the VLD is made of two VLDs padded 64-approx.
        2. tchoni
          tchoni 7 September 2015 12: 43 New
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          Quote: Forest
          These are elements of the built-in DZ Knife.

          This is anything but a “Knife”
      2. tchoni
        tchoni 7 September 2015 12: 42 New
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        Quote: abrakadabre
        As far back as the 19th century, in shipbuilding, it was found that multilayer metal armor has a lower resistance than monolithic.

        I won’t argue with this, because I don’t know, but I think that the main emphasis in this “wunderwaffle” is on protection against RPGs for number 7, and therefore, not only and not so much metal were gathered there to use metal. Most likely the gaskets will be made of polyethylene, which tends to slightly disperse the cumulative stream. Maybe something else is crammed. Rubber, for example, from komazovskih tires chopped. Maybe they’ll put some kind of ceramic in place (clay in Ukraine is its own! -)).
        Quote: abrakadabre
        So, it seems like the arguments expressed by us here lie on the surface, and even with artisanal production, you can think of all of the above. It is not that difficult.
        Why do I think I drank it? If you would need a device, you would quickly build it up by removing the tower and installing two of the armored personnel carriers in the vacant doorway ... And so, like a whole R&D .. I also collect fees on the Internet for this purpose.
  14. abc_alex
    abc_alex 7 September 2015 10: 57 New
    +7
    The tank, as already mentioned above, has two towers (these are modified T-64 commander towers) with remote control. Each tower has a GSh23 double-barreled installation,


    This is a repetition of the first BMPT prototypes. On the photo - Object 781
    1. 31rus
      31rus 7 September 2015 11: 16 New
      +3
      Quite correctly noticed, this is only "dumber and worse at times"
  15. sagitch
    sagitch 7 September 2015 10: 58 New
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    Its main developer was the chief (in the past) designer of 115 BTRZ Nikolay Stepanov


    I wonder if he voluntarily or at gunpoint to work?
  16. lukke
    lukke 7 September 2015 11: 01 New
    +3
    Whatever the Nazi regiment (although even the ukrovoyaki of the zbrodny forces themselves admit that in fact there are no more companies, at most two (the rest with weapons in the cities), then there is its own design bureau and shadow government with the deputy commander in the Rada ...
  17. Baltic sailor
    Baltic sailor 7 September 2015 11: 15 New
    +4
    In the photo, and video t-64 sheathed in pieces of shit. On which they will try to fasten two towers from the BTR-70. Then they will write about the extraordinary power of this in order to beg for money for the construction of the same coffins.
  18. Geser
    Geser 7 September 2015 13: 28 New
    +1
    I wonder what is the mine defense of this Ukrainian wunderwaffe? Further: the enemy actively uses smoke bombs in battle and creates smoke screens. How can all these cameras operate in such conditions, especially if it happens at night and in bad weather with fog? In general, really an iron coffin.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 7 September 2015 14: 58 New
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      For rather small household camcorders, there may be a problem of commonplace pollution. From burning sediment to soil from tears and spray.
  19. Sukhoi
    Sukhoi 7 September 2015 14: 03 New
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    If it is positioned as BMPT, then why the hell is it so high?
    1. hjcuhfybwf
      hjcuhfybwf 8 September 2015 11: 42 New
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      Height is the main thing. See the designer’s interview. He honestly said that he is trying to install the maximum number of dynamic protection units in this pepelats 500 pieces per 100 greenery. Give him free rein and he will weld them in two layers on the bottom. And do not hesitate over the designer, the globe of Ukraine on his head fell 000 times.
  20. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 7 September 2015 16: 46 New
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    The regiment "Azov" over the past year engaged in the development of "new" samples of armored vehicles. The first development was called the “Azovets” and is already positioned as “the best tank for fighting in the city”.
    I wonder who they want to pair their invention with. Judging by the article, they themselves do not want to exploit it. laughing
  21. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 7 September 2015 17: 57 New
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    Far away on such a prodigy they won’t leave. laughing
  22. Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 7 September 2015 18: 30 New
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    In fact, it is simply impossible to give any definition to a new machine. Rather, you can call it an armored fighting vehicle for fighting in the city


    The author is not aware that for 15 years there has been BMPT?

    And most importantly, the article does not contain interviews with the creator of this “papenats” - the latter in all seriousness stated that this will be able to prevail (sic!) In a clash with Armata.
  23. Thor
    Thor 7 September 2015 19: 12 New
    +1
    An interesting handicraft project, nothing more, the next that may be of interest to this "homemade" is the results of its application!
  24. leon1204id
    leon1204id 7 September 2015 19: 41 New
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    A good coffin, beautiful, people tried for themselves.
    And already in the narrow streets, then immediately kaput.mozhno and hang wreaths.
    Everlasting memory. fool soldier
  25. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 7 September 2015 20: 06 New
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    Judging by the appearance, this is an unarmoured prototype for sea trials or even a layout model. Most likely, there will not be enough pennies before a full-scale BBM
  26. Vadim237
    Vadim237 7 September 2015 21: 49 New
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    I wonder how much this bandura will travel on batteries.
  27. dakka-dakka
    dakka-dakka 7 September 2015 22: 46 New
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    some kind of hybrid m113 and motorbike
  28. Bassman
    Bassman 7 September 2015 23: 10 New
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    Another tower from Sherman to put smile
  29. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 September 2015 13: 47 New
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    The Russian troops have no heavy infantry fighting vehicles either! You can not laugh at Ukraine, T-15 when it still gets into the army. The Duma, in the storming of such a BMP Grozny, our soldiers would rejoice.
  30. Mista_dj
    Mista_dj 29 September 2015 08: 28 New
    +2
    Coming soon on the screens of the country: Mad Max V - Iron Cap
    :)