PMCs. For or against?

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In this article I would like to speculate and express personal thoughts about such a phenomenon of modern life as private military companies (PMCs) and about the possibility of their appearance in Russia. Strictly speaking, PMCs created by Russian citizens and staffed by them, already exist, so to speak, in nature. But they are created as foreign enterprises, and taxes are not paid in Russia. In particular, recently in Nigeria such Russian PMCs were pressed for allegedly illegally bringing their weapons to fight sea pirates. Later it turned out that the bribed Nigerian officials were carrying out an order from competing PMCs to remove the Russian company from the market.



Let me remind you a little about historical facts. The first modern PMC was organized in England by veterans and special forces of the British Special Airborne Service (CAC) in 1974. The retirees decided that it was quite possible to earn a decent living using the unique military training and military experience that they had gained over the years of service. The initiative turned out to be in demand and picked up! Today PMCs are actively working all over the world, the market for their services costs from 100 to 300 billion dollars a year and constantly captures more and more new areas. PMCs guard facilities of oil and mining corporations in troubled areas of the world. For example, in Africa, Chinese PMCs deployed 40 thousand of their employees to protect Chinese enterprises. Large American and European PMCs guard the military facilities of these states abroad. They help friendly countries to build and train their armies, train, organize supplies, communications, logistics, and even directly participate in hostilities as highly qualified specialists and advisers.

A few years ago, the whole world put on the ears of Somali pirates. Against them, the most powerful fleets of the world sent their ships, but there was no sense. But now in these places they took up the security of PMC ships, and everything somehow calmed down ...

Going back into history, we can almost with full confidence say that it was Russia that most likely gave rise to such a phenomenon as PMCs! And she did it brilliantly! I mean a Cossack by the name of Ermak Timofeevich and his squad ... After all, it was them who were hired at the time by the merchants of the Stroganovs to protect their Ural factories from the raids of Khan Kuchum, and then they equipped and sent them to finish off the khan for good. Ermak dealt with this, after which he presented immense Siberia to Tsar Ivan the Terrible. And all this happened when not only the USA, but even the British Empire was not even in the project!

Or another example from the 19 century. During the war with the Turks, Count Loris-Melikov, the closest associate of the Tsar-liberator Alexander II, turned to the Caucasian abreks, who continuously fought with the Russian army. He invited them to join his volunteer detachment, promising rich booty in the war against the Turks. And they agreed! The Russian army received reinforcements from desperate and experienced fighters, and the Caucasus became calm in their absence.

From the latest facts, it should be noted that the bills on PMCs are discussed in State Duma committees, and President Putin, in 2012, positively assessed the possibility of organizing such companies in Russia. Therefore, now in our press and the Internet there is a discussion on PMCs, in which they argue furiously, proving to each other; it is possible or impossible, worth or not worth, good or bad, in our opinion it is or not in our opinion ...
Moreover, this dispute affects not only the topic itself, but again raises issues that, too, once worried many, but then temporarily subsided. I mean disputes about which army is better for us: draft or contract, or can private security companies be resolved ...?

There are many comprehensive arguments in these disputes, and I can hardly say anything new. I just personally want to dwell on one aspect, which, in my opinion, was not considered enough ... In the sixties of the last century, a pre-war American film titled “The Fate of a Soldier in America” appeared on Soviet screens. It described how a group of young American war veterans of the First World War returned from her heroes, showing themselves in battles as brilliant soldiers. And the homeland couldn’t offer them anything after that, except dull stagnation in obscurity. And then they rallied into an armed gang, which began to engage in looting, smuggling, fought with competitors and the police, using front-line skills, until it was destroyed. However, this is nothing new. In the history of any country there are episodes when soldiers returning from wars became criminals. And our own history abounds in this. Here are the most famous cases ... The famous Leningrad thug of the time of the NEP, Lyonka Panteleyev, was a dashing red commander in the civil war.

In the Smolensk region in the villages, it is still possible to talk with the old men who were children during and after World War II. And they tell in detail how, after the war, young heroes-soldiers returned to their kolkhozes with orders and stripes from wounds. As some of them began to drink in hopeless poverty and hopelessness, while others were stocked weaponsWhich mountains were in the forests after the battles and partisan sites. After that, these guys robbed local shops, warehouses, collector cars, presented to relatives and friends, came in the evenings to dance to the accordion on the village dances. And then they piled their wild heads in clashes with detachments of internal troops.

With 1959 began Khrushchev cuts in the Soviet army. Thousands and thousands of young officers were simply thrown out of it without any privileges or prospects. And after some time, gangs of daring armed raiders appeared in the major cities of the country, who committed large-scale robberies and very effectively fought with operatives in their attempts at detention. Militiamen put a lot of their best people while curbing these "officer gangs."

Recall the 90s. Rampant then gangster fueled to a large extent and at the expense of former war veterans Afghans. A little later, those who returned from the Caucasian Wars went to the gangs. During the recent trial of the Orekhov group, it became known that its backbone consisted of athletes and former special forces soldiers. This moment is well reflected in the sensational TV series "Brigade", where the main character is a former sergeant of the border troops, and the killer sent to him by the main competitor is a former commando who fought in Chechnya.

Since the last years of the Soviet Union and to this day, disputes periodically have been going on: which army is better for Russia — professional contract or people's draft? They also offer a mixed version, but in my opinion, this is just the same conscript army with an increased percentage of contract soldiers. So in these disputes, supporters of the draft army constantly use the word "mercenaries", arguing that the fighters serving for salaries are unable to be steadfast and loyal fighters of the Fatherland, and they can even betray him if they pay more ...

In principle, I think such an opinion in Russia has the right to life as a reflection of the genetic memory of the time of the civil war, when gangs of all political colors were strolling along the former empire, tormenting the defenseless population. The basis of these gangs consisted of veteran deserters, who easily passed from one chieftain to another, if that one had a "gold reserve" more.

But on the other hand, in our army all officers, warrant officers and contract sergeants live only at the expense of the army monetary and clothing allowance, that is, they are the very same "mercenaries" who, moreover, are completely under the command of the soldiers-recruits, training from them dumb subordinates.

Particularly violently in Russia sounded the topic of "mercenarism" after the permission of private security companies (private security firms). Opponents predicted that now all sorts of moneybags would recruit private armies and begin to dictate their living conditions to everyone and everything, right up to the state. These sentiments in their electoral speeches were periodically taken into account by the then Moscow Mayor Luzhkov, loudly asking: "... And to whom do thousands of private security guards in Moscow obey ...?". So who remembers that now? Private security companies earned and very quickly wiped out a massive vandal racket, when street crime groups, including crackling teenagers, tried to get tribute from petty traders and entrepreneurs, threatening to destroy their property. The police could not do this, but the private security forces were able to do it, but now they are just ordinary watchmen who cost those who hire them much cheaper in all senses than the former "criminal roofs".

And what is, by and large, PMCs? Yes, basically, the same private security companies, only immeasurably larger scale, and they work exclusively outside their countries. And their rapid development now, with the active support of state structures in their countries, suggests that they are capable of bringing many clear and potential benefits to the state.

What foreign PMCs are now doing, I have already listed above, and in Russia they could become that place of attraction for former warriors, who are organically inherent in aggressive courage, making them the best fighters, but also not allowing them to fit into civilian life because of high self-esteem . Because of what they too often realize themselves as leaders of the underworld. And in PMCs, they would have their usual adrenaline, excellent earnings and universal respect in society, and even old-age pensions, disability benefits or families with the loss of the breadwinner. In addition, I want to elaborate on yet another possible benefit from PMCs, which so far few people have mentioned ... I will begin gradually.

When the Fatherland is in danger, the efforts of the whole people are required to save it. To accomplish this task, conscription armies are conceived and created, in which people serve temporarily who give patriotic duty to the Motherland but do not want to make a military career. But empires are created and kept by armies of pure professionals! And I do not need to be reminded that in the Russian Empire the army has always been a draft ... Yes, it was. But when the empire was created, the soldiers in the call were selected by lot and then served 25 for years, and in retirement they left the fortress. Yes, even had the opportunity to curry favor with officers, having received a noble rank. In the British Empire and in the United States, peacetime armies that were solving imperial tasks were always made up of professional volunteers who signed contracts for long periods of service. So in the United States, before World War II, a volunteer soldier was obliged to serve in the army in peacetime for at least 25 (!) Years in order to receive benefits for length of service. But when a big war came, professional armies turned into a base for the rapid deployment and training of draftees after the start of the nation-wide conscription. Because every ordinary professional was made for recruits by an authoritative and experienced junior commander who was able to quickly train his subordinates. Thanks to this system, the US literally six months after the Japanese attack in 1941, they were able to deploy an efficient army of one and a half million soldiers from the 200 thousands that existed before, burying the Japanese plans to invade their territory.

Especially in this respect, the example of Germany is indicative. After capitulation in the First World War, she was allowed to have an army of no more than 100 thousand soldiers. German generals created a professional army of just such a number, but the rank-and-file soldiers in it were much smaller than officers and non-commissioned officers. The soldiers themselves were selected very carefully, there was an excess of volunteers. And then they were trained in the training program for non-commissioned officers, and non-commissioned officers were trained as junior officers. As a result, when the former restrictions were lifted under Hitler, all officers were promoted to the rank, all the rank-and-file professionals became non-commissioned officers, and non-commissioned officers became lieutenants, and in several years this personnel reserve created a military vehicle from draftees that shook them to the ground. the whole world.

Based on these historical examples, I believe that in many countries the creation of PMCs is encouraged, including because maintaining and maintaining the combat readiness of modern armies is enormous and, most importantly, unproductive. And here, please, the best warriors retire to "free bread" in PMCs and continue to maintain themselves in the best possible form, mastering new types of weapons and new tactics. At the same time, they not only do not cost a penny to the state budget, but also solidly replenish it with taxes from their activities abroad, helping to defend the military-political and economic interests of their country there. Plus, mastering the newest types of the most popular types of weapons in real combat and diverse climatic conditions, they give the military-industrial complex reliable information to improve and increase the competitiveness of its products.

In our country, after the second Chechen war, President Putin told on television how trained fighters were gathered "from the pine forest" all over the country to go to Chechnya in order to somehow prevent the terrible losses that occurred during the first campaign. And then exist the PMCs with their personnel potential from constantly combat-ready "wolfhounds", and we would not have such shame ...

OWS opponents indicate, they say, look what is happening in Afghanistan, in the Middle East, Ukraine, and PMCs are involved in this, so is it not immoral to allow them? If you continue this logic, you will have to remember that the FAA’s Nazi missiles brutally smashed the British once, and the Americans brutally burned the Japanese with atomic bombs ... So what? In this case, our country should not acquire nuclear weapons?
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  1. +12
    8 September 2015 06: 16
    There are mercenaries in PMCs, I hope no one will argue ... There are no patriots there. PMCs don't care about who hires them and who to "clean up". A double-edged sword, however.
    1. +12
      8 September 2015 06: 38
      In PMCs, mercenaries, I hope no one will argue ... There are no patriots. PMCs don't care about who hires them and who to "clean up". A double-edged sword however.
      Did you come across a PMC very closely that you know for sure that there are no patriots? And where do you think there are patriots? If the call is removed, I doubt very much that the troops will be staffed in the same volume as now exclusively with patriots. A person can have many incentives to join in the war (army) "ambition, material motives, romanticism, patriotism, revenge in the end" and they all have the right to serve their people on equal terms. And to repulse only because someone is fighting for money is not right, especially since he started, for example Then he became a patriot for money. By the way, in the Second World War, people were paid for a destroyed tank, an airplane ... and that they are mercenaries and not patriots in your eyes? My opinion is that there will be PMCs and the sooner the better, but control should be like in the troops that most likely what happens is just under the guise of a PMC hiding a regular army or Polite People as you like.
      1. -2
        8 September 2015 06: 46
        Compare mercenary and contract service in the sun ... recourse request Well, it’s somehow you’re neither at the gates, nor any frames. fool
        1. +7
          8 September 2015 10: 27
          Quote: name
          Compare mercenary and contract service in the sun ... recourse request Well, it’s somehow you’re neither at the gates, nor any frames. fool

          Why compare them? And those are needed and these.
          1. +6
            8 September 2015 10: 55
            Where the state, for any "ceremonial" reasons, cannot use its armed forces, it has the right to slightly close its eyes to the participation of its PMCs in the conflict from the side it needs and that's it. Otherwise, the PMC, which allowed its unauthorized participation in such a conflict, is liquidated as an organization, and its fighters are declared mercenaries and prosecuted in accordance with the UKRF.
      2. +8
        8 September 2015 09: 23
        I also think that the form of recruitment does not affect patriotism. A contractor (and even more so a conscript) is not a priori a patriot. If you set the goal not just to recruit mercenaries, but to use this form as a way to withdraw a combat-ready military unit from the zone of official state policy, but to manage it (and this is already a question for the state), then I am in favor. It is better to let a person receive decent money (including for the fact that the state has "abandoned" them) for his skills, than to seek adventures on the side of, say, IS or ukronatsbatalions (although the fact that there are ideological, but it seems to me - not all).
        1. +9
          8 September 2015 10: 10
          I read all the comments and came to the conclusion that some commenters did not understand the author’s thought. The author does not write about private security companies (private security companies, he gave an example of how private security companies solve issues) that solve the issues of protecting property of legal entities and individuals, while not pulling money from the budget and not sending young men to retire in 38 years at the expense of the state . We have a lot of paramilitary groups in the country (private security, the Ministry of Emergencies, the Federal Penitentiary Service, etc.), which were equated with the armed forces. Private security companies just solve some of the problems more efficiently and less costly for the state. The author writes about PMCs (private military companies) that are created to solve problems abroad, but without legal intervention from the state. Events in the Crimea and the Donbass showed that PMCs could solve the issue and the state would not suffer in the form of sanctions. Many countries do so. Foreign PMCs are armed with armored and aviation equipment, and at the same time the USA, Great Britain, France and a number of other states are powdering their brains around the world with their non-involvement in military conflicts. We can allow the creation of such companies without the right to operate in Russia. Let’s cover ourselves like the USA with some kind of legend. That PMCs hired for example the Verkhovna Rada of Crimea and we will gasp and groan with the whole world together, while we recognize the results of the referendum.
          1. 0
            8 September 2015 11: 26
            Quote: captain
            The author writes about PMCs (private military companies) that are created to solve problems abroad, but without legal intervention from the state. Events in the Crimea and the Donbass showed that PMCs could solve the issue and the state would not suffer in the form of sanctions. So do many countries.

            Here you are absolutely right with the author! But something else amused me in the article -
            Going back into history, we can almost with full confidence say that it was Russia that most likely gave rise to such a phenomenon as PMCs! And she did it brilliantly! I mean a Cossack named Ermak Timofeevich and his squad ... - Of course, this is the same 100% fact as the ancient Ukrainians who dug up the Black Sea. laughing
            1. +2
              8 September 2015 19: 37
              In vain you laugh. Ermak’s campaign can well be regarded as an example of the work of PMCs. But in our history this is more likely an exception, but the British have been using this practice for a very long time, I mean organizations like the East India Company. It is noteworthy that officer patents in a private shop, as it were, were fully equated with patents of the royal army.
            2. 0
              9 September 2015 14: 57
              Yes! And I wanted to recall that during the assault on the ancient capital of the Assyrian kingdom (Nineveh), the Babylonians and the Mido-Persians attracted Scythians for silver =) the force was comparable to the Babylonian and Persian army, but when they shared the trophies they later seemed to be hired ... MERCEDARS APPEARED ON THE PLANET SIMULTANEOUS WITH WARS
      3. +3
        8 September 2015 10: 17
        Quote: Kazakh
        But did you very closely come across PMCs that you know for sure that there are no patriots? And where do you think the patriots are?

        This stems from the very specificity of being ordered to kill for money. This is the quintessence of such "work".

        You can arbitrarily talk about patriotism - the Russian PMC, I am convinced, will clean its fellow citizens in the same way, if it is convinced that it is doing good for its country.
        That is, patriotism is not related to the essence.
        And why - yes, because the army (military company) is not supposed to think. And laid to carry out the order.

        And if in the army there is a concept of "return of military duty", then in PMCs it is "working out salaries" - see the difference?

        PySy: met some bandits in the 90s - they were all patriots on the board! smile
        1. +3
          8 September 2015 10: 51
          Quote: iConst
          This stems from the very specificity of being ordered to kill for money. This is the quintessence of such "work".


          PMCs are not necessarily killed for money; PMCs are also protected for money.

          Quote: iConst
          Russian PMC, I am convinced, will cleanse its fellow citizens in the same way


          Did you mean to protect? Just one letter changes the meaning of the phrase to the opposite.

          Quote: iConst
          And if in the army there is a concept of "return of military duty", then in PMCs it is "working out salaries" - see the difference?


          And to the question of patriotism and unpatriotism. Imagine a soldier who served his whole life in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, retired with honor and got a job in PMCs. Does his worldview have changed?
          1. +1
            8 September 2015 13: 03
            Quote: Polite Moose
            PMCs are not necessarily killed for money; PMCs are also protected for money.
            - The demagoguery has gone.
            And they will defend with the Bible in hand and the Word of God!
            Quote: Polite Moose
            Did you mean to protect? Just one letter changes the meaning of the phrase to the opposite.
            - No, I didn’t seal it up - look at the Donbass - a significant part of dill is sure that they are doing a good thing.
            Quote: Polite Moose
            And to the question of patriotism and unpatriotism. Imagine a soldier who served his whole life in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, retired with honor and got a job in PMCs. Does his worldview have changed?
            - And who denies that there can be moral hoaxes in the army?
            A person with a normal worldview will find another job. Retired soldiers are in demand.
            PMC - Soulge ev fortune.

            But I feel I'm growing older
            And the songs that I have sung
            Echo in the distance ...


            - I remembered something ... sad
        2. 0
          8 September 2015 13: 19
          As one gentleman from England used to say: “- These are sons of bitches, but these are our sons of bitches.” Better a patriot bandit than a traitor liberal.
      4. WKS
        +2
        8 September 2015 11: 44
        PMC is a private military company, a commercial enterprise that offers violence (!) Or security services to everyone. In our country, this can result in formations legalized by gangs. The principle of "the right to violence", which is possessed only by the state and only on the basis of the law, will be violated.
        1. +1
          8 September 2015 12: 34
          Quote: wks
          In our country, this can result in formations legalized by gangs. The principle of "the right to violence", which is possessed only by the state and only on the basis of the law, will be violated.


          I partially agree with you. To prevent PMCs from degenerating into legalized bandit formations, their activities should be clearly regulated at the legislative level. The supremacy of state power structures over PMCs should be indisputable. And the scope of activities of PMCs inside the country and abroad should be clearly defined, without the possibility of ambiguous interpretation. All the chaos of private security companies is due to the tongue of our laws. So, I share your concern on this issue. But I remain in my opinion that our country needs PMCs. Otherwise, our tankers off the coast of Somalia will be accompanied by foreign offices or naval forces (I don't know which will be cheaper). And valuable trophies seized from "our western partners" through troubled territories will have to be transported through the aborigines.
          1. WKS
            +1
            8 September 2015 13: 03
            Quote: Polite Elk
            So, I share your concern in this matter.

            I have no "concern" on this issue and cannot be, since the article under discussion is not a draft in the Duma. In Russia in the foreseeable future there will be no PMCs, no matter how many such articles are published. The Russian state will not allow competition in this area.
            1. +1
              8 September 2015 13: 27
              [quote = WKS] In Russia, there will be no PMCs in the foreseeable future, no matter how many similar articles are published. [/ quote]

              The issue of PMCs began to be "kneaded" in the media for a long time. As soon as urgent tasks arise, which, due to their specificity, can be solved only by the forces of PMCs, it will be solved with lightning speed. And, I'm afraid, as it often happens with us, hastily and ill-considered. Although, I agree with you that we will "itch" for a long time. In the meantime, our sufficiently qualified and experienced employees work for a foreign owner.

              [quote = WKS] The Russian state will not allow competition in this area. [/ quote

              It is unlikely that PMCs will compete with the state at checkpoints, in trenches and in law enforcement. Big Bump Protection? So here the client himself has the right to choose either PMCs or private security companies or private security. Who pays, he orders the music.
              And if the escort "over the hill" is needed, and even trustworthy. Moreover, he was controlled (a family in Russia). You can't do without import substitution.
              PS Minus is not mine
            2. 0
              8 September 2015 15: 30
              . The Russian state will not allow competition in this area.
              Do you have the right hand competing with the left?
            3. +1
              8 September 2015 19: 17
              Quote: wks
              The Russian state will not allow competition in this area.

              and if not competition, but mutually beneficial cooperation? good
    2. -4
      8 September 2015 07: 27
      The author of the article, another "Jewish Freemason", calls again: "Schaub was like theirs." The militant Jewish Cossacks are revolting once again.
    3. 0
      8 September 2015 09: 15
      In addition to control over PMCs, there is another problem: why is it possible for one "private trader" to have military weapons, while an ordinary citizen cannot ?! discrimination however.
      Threat, and then in my area the police can't cope, leaving for an hour and a half, and then a "professional" will approach the question and silence ... dead.
      1. -2
        8 September 2015 13: 23
        You, comrade, have already written above how PSC differs from PMCs. You need to think.
        1. -2
          8 September 2015 13: 29
          Quote: Tambov Wolf
          You comrade

          I just think, unlike YOU
    4. +3
      8 September 2015 10: 13
      Quote: name
      There are mercenaries in PMCs, I hope no one will argue ... There are no patriots there. PMCs don't care about who hires them and who to "clean up". A double-edged sword, however.

      PMCs have the same mercenaries (more precisely, hired) as in any job (factory, factory, market ...). You will not blame, for example, the steelmaker at any steel plant (or a miner in a mine, etc.) of unpatriotism ?! a person does his job well (maybe even very well for the good of the state), receives material benefits for this. what is the problem? it is possible for PMCs to introduce restrictions (or a ban) on working in Russia. so this does not interfere with upholding the interests of the state beyond its borders. and so Russia, using PMCs somewhere in Syria, Iraq or the same Ukraine, has the opportunity and legality to uphold and defend its interests
      1. +1
        8 September 2015 13: 03
        In a nation-state, an army is needed to defend against an external enemy.
        In the capitalist, one must still keep the people in check. Here, without PMCs, you can’t do it.
        Suddenly, people will not want to keep a bunch of villains on their necks.
        So there will be PMCs for you, whether you want it or not.
        Yes, they’re already full of them.
        Yes, the police, this is the same PMC.
        No wonder they renamed it.
        Just think about the words. Private company.
      2. +1
        8 September 2015 13: 15
        Quote: self-propelled
        there is an opportunity and legality to uphold and protect your interests

        and where will these PMCs still be storing weapons, how to transport them, conduct training on their use, where and on what grounds to acquire? :)
        1. 0
          8 September 2015 17: 46
          foreign experience to catch you (somehow the guys train, store and use weapons ...). there would be the will of the state (and under this will the law to adopt and normative acts is not a problem).
          1. 0
            9 September 2015 00: 27
            Quote: self-propelled
            foreign experience to catch you

            uh no sweetheart, money in the morning chairs in the evening, advocate PMCs work, otherwise it will turn out as always. and it’s for me that scumbags armed to the teeth ran around the streets and defended the interests of the customer-moneybags.
    5. +2
      8 September 2015 12: 47
      Quote: name
      There are mercenaries in PMCs, I hope no one will argue ... There are no patriots there. PMCs don't care about who hires them and who to "clean up". A double-edged sword, however.

      In PMCs, half of the employees are former employees of various special services. And I strongly doubt that at least one PMC in the world does not have direct ties with the special services of the country in which they work.
      1. +1
        8 September 2015 19: 41
        Quote: Ramzaj99
        I strongly doubt that at least one PMC in the world does not have direct ties

        Personally, I have no doubt about this. It is no accident that the first PMCs in our time were created by former military personnel from the elite special forces unit.
  2. +1
    8 September 2015 06: 25
    PMC thing is necessary. Just need to solve two problems. 1) These are the problems associated with rifled weapons, 2) Legal aspects of the use of PMCs within the country.
    If in the first case I am against permission to carry it freely, then in the second - during the seven-banker period private security companies were actively used as PMCs and this sometimes led to excesses of performers.
    The first point is more worrying than the second. But still.
    And so, the thing is necessary and will allow solving some legal aspects of the use of power structures in various conflicts (which the Americans are doing with success).
    1. +4
      8 September 2015 06: 39
      Quote: ImPerts
      PMC thing needed

      Just like that - and "necessary". And for what?
      Quote: ImPerts
      in various conflicts (which the Americans are doing with success).

      Our country's policy has always been different from US policy. Not to mention the mentality. No need to equal them. hi
      P.S. The author yap, recalled the "gang of officers" as a mass phenomenon, although there were isolated cases, and met before reductions. And comparing nuclear weapons and PMCs is incorrect, I hope everyone understands why. Article -.
      1. +2
        8 September 2015 07: 30
        A forceful presence often leads to attenuation of the conflict, but it is more expensive to use government agencies. No one wants accusations of infringement on sovereignty. And you can always say that this unknown billionaire protects his property.
        The same Donbass. The presence of American mercenaries, in particular the Blackwater PMC, was repeatedly mentioned. But these are private traders, the army has nothing to do with it. And the fact that these are well-trained and trained former military men, the contract ended and everyone earns as they can.
    2. +4
      8 September 2015 06: 42
      2) Legal aspects of the use of PMCs within the country.
      But do PMCs are used somewhere in the world in their own country? It seems that they are only intended to act abroad of their country, where it is undesirable to lead an army.
      1. +3
        8 September 2015 07: 36
        Quote: Kazakh
        Are PMCs used somewhere in the world in their own country?

        I'm talking about this:
        "Since September 1996, in accordance
        with the sanction of the leadership of the ATC FSB of Russia in
        within the signal check "Sprut"
        carried out operational search
        identification and
        documenting possibly ongoing
        illegal activities by employees
        security structure "Atoll-1".

        Reason for verification
        activities served as received from
        source information regarding the group
        persons working in the security service of AO
        "LogoVAZ" and those involved in the operational-search
        activities in the interests of B. Berezovsky in
        including compromising him
        political opponents and economic
        competitors ... ".
        I don’t feel like repeating this.
  3. +3
    8 September 2015 06: 34
    And if there were PMCs with their personnel potential of constantly combat-ready "wolfhounds", and we would not have such shame ...

    Not an argument. The army (or BB) just does not need to start its own. The same applies to the thesis about the withdrawal from the armed forces of "the best soldiers" and the development of the latest technology.
  4. +3
    8 September 2015 06: 36
    Legalization of organized crime groups, on the contrary, is generally the way to feudalism, where each prince had his own squad, every governor will seek to create his own PMC, otherwise it will look like a sucker :-)
    1. +1
      8 September 2015 06: 48
      each governor will strive to create his own PMC, otherwise it will look like a sucker :-)
      Thought from the series "Why do the lower classes need democracy? There will be anything to do" Why do you think so badly about all the governors? Or you have all the cops corrupt and the plumbers are all drunks.
      1. +3
        8 September 2015 07: 01
        Quote: Kazakh
        Why are you thinking so bad about all governors?

        Somehow there is no reason to think about them well
  5. +5
    8 September 2015 07: 23
    Almost everyone reads inattentively. Well, what has to do with the legalization of organized crime groups, where is the path to feudalism? And here "every governor". The author wrote in Russian: PMCs work only outside their country. And to the question of the same Somali pirates. It is much easier and more economical to use an armed group on a ship when passing through a pirate-hazardous zone than to contain several fleet groups of the CTF151 type there. Moreover, chasing pirates in the ocean on destroyers is like looking for a needle in a haystack. And here a group of 6 people is quite enough. In this regard, there is such a site - "Marine Bulletin", and its author, Mikhail Voitenko, is quite a good specialist on this issue. For example: http://www.odin.tc/newsru/read.asp?articleID=1144
    By the way, that Russian PMC, which was pressed in Nigeria, and about which the author writes at the beginning, quite successfully guarded our tankers from pirates. But Nigeria and the Gulf of Guinea, by the way, are officially recognized as the second pirate hazard zone. And our ships there also have to sail.
    1. +3
      8 September 2015 07: 53
      The author wrote in Russian: PMCs work exclusively outside their own country.


      And where is it outside the country? In Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia or elsewhere? And will they be taken prisoner or according to the laws of wartime as bandits? And if they are still alive, but abroad officially, how will the Ministry of Foreign Affairs work with them, because according to the laws of most countries, most likely it will be "illegal military formations of mercenaries for a coup d'etat in the country"? And the members of the PMC will be prosecuted on the territory of the Russian Federation, at the request of the country in which this PMC will participate in something and on whose side?
      Just do not refer to the experience of the United States or Great Britain, there is a different legal system and a different state policy, plus such PMCs have the right of extraterritoriality.
      1. +2
        8 September 2015 09: 42
        Well, in Ukraine, it's not just the former Blackwater that has been spotted. There were also enough of our PMCs with contractors. I don't see any fundamental difference. The world has changed, and so has the way of fighting. Abroad, if we return to the same Russian PMC in Nigeria mentioned by the author, the Foreign Ministry worked quite actively, including Lavrov. It took a year, but everyone was pulled out alive and even relatively healthy. And the ship was returned. True, the Nigerians managed to gut it pretty well. I repeat again: don't stick to common stamps. PMCs are used by no means only to organize coups. And then, if you only knew how many restrictions and "governing" documents, starting with the "Montreux document", and all sorts of RUF and BMP, these PMCs are entangled.
      2. 0
        8 September 2015 09: 55
        And it seems to me - anywhere. This is a matter of a contract with a PMC. In the background, these things, as I see it, should be coordinated precisely through the Foreign Ministries of both countries. Now about captivity and abroad. It seems to me that they may be persecuted. But a specific person will take on all these risks through a contract, which must take into account all risks by shifting all possible risks into the financial channel and, for example, insurance. I will translate: if you go to a PMC, then you know that you can die or be captured and no one will officially protect you. But the latter is also a question for the state and its authority (in the international arena). I have a counter question - how are saboteurs and spies protected (they were also, first of all, state ones, for example, in the USSR) who fell into the hands of the authorities of the "enemy" state and did not have diplomatic immunity? As it seems to me, in no way, except for the very authority of the state and its capabilities.
      3. -1
        8 September 2015 19: 49
        Quote: user
        Just do not refer to the experience of the United States or Great Britain, there is a different legal system and a different state policy

        And what prevents to change both, taking into account the need?
        Quote: user
        And outside the country, where is it?

        Offhand - just the other day there was a series of terrorist attacks in Tajikistan. It would be nice if experts from the GRU and the FSB joined in the investigation and liquidation. Dismissed from service ...
  6. +2
    8 September 2015 07: 47
    Against, not against. Nobody has ever been able to defend their Fatherland, better than a simple conscript. Nobody and never.
    1. +2
      8 September 2015 08: 03
      Quote: Gouging
      Against, not against. Nobody has ever been able to defend their Fatherland, better than a simple conscript. Nobody and never.

      And they were commanded exclusively by conscripts. good
  7. 0
    8 September 2015 07: 51
    for the red commander Lenka Panteleev article minus
  8. +5
    8 September 2015 08: 00
    1. So far, the first PMC is Watchguard International, registered in Jersey in 1965 by veterans D. Stirling and Woodhouse.
    2. PMCs can be used and used domestically, as, for example, in the USA when restoring order in New Orleans after a flood.
    3. Again, the term "mercenary" is used as abuse, although this is one of the oldest professions. In a number of countries, she is still honorable. The most beautiful monument - The Dying Lion - was erected in the city of Lucerne to the Swiss mercenaries who honestly performed their duty and died in battle.
    4. All definitions of mercenary crime are ideologically motivated legal nonsense. Legally, there is no difference between mercenaries and volunteers, these are foreigners in a war in a foreign country. And crimes are committed even by the most selected parts of the armed forces. So, the government of Canada disbanded an elite parachute regiment when facts of abuse of prisoners became known.
    1. 0
      8 September 2015 09: 34
      Quote: soldner

      4. All definitions of mercenary crime are ideologically motivated legal nonsense.
      Moreover, any contact person of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, say, and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can be safely called a mercenary. Even more - any employee of any company. "Hire to work" - a dirty phrase? It depends on how you look at it. You can hire a thug who has tasted blood or a soldier who has performed combat missions to protect the interests of the state in hot spots. And this is one person, but for other different people.
      1. +2
        8 September 2015 14: 43
        Moreover, the prohibition of an individual to be legally employed for work is a violation of his rights and freedoms. And today no one raises the question of such mercenaries as the Foreign Legion of France, the Gurkha battalions in the Armed Forces of Britain, India and Brunei, the Balochis from Pakistan as the basis of the Omani ground forces. The very word "soldier" speaks for itself - soldo - denyushka. And the contrast between mercenary and volunteer depends on the point of view. For the Abkhazians and Russians, the UNA-UNSO fighters were mercenaries of the Tbilisi regime, and for the Georgians, they were heroes, comrades-in-arms, awarded the highest orders.
  9. -2
    8 September 2015 08: 14
    Dear author with the sonorous surname Goldreyer, one should not compare Russia with either Germany, or England, or any other country. "She has a special become ..."
  10. +1
    8 September 2015 08: 22
    The topic is serious, why not try and make adjustments based on reality, but you can sit and argue for a long time, but with our thought, it’s like that in general, gather professionals, adopt a law and see what happens, by the way, about the private security companies are equipped and prepared better than the police, they act promptly (the "roof" does not save many, unlike the police)
  11. +2
    8 September 2015 08: 31
    [i]Mercenary ("Soldier of fortune" [1]) - a person engaging in an armed conflict not from ideological, national, political considerations (and does not belong to any ideological group interested in the outcome of the conflict) and not in accordance with military duty, but for the sake of profit.[/ i] - Wikipedia however !! feel
  12. +3
    8 September 2015 08: 37
    359 Article. Mercenary

    [Criminal Code of the Russian Federation] [Chapter 34] [Article 359]
    1. The recruitment, training, financing or other material support of a mercenary, as well as its use in armed conflict or military operations -
    is punished by imprisonment for the term from four up to eight years with restriction of freedom for up to two years or without it.
    2. The same acts committed by a person using his official position or in relation to a minor -
    shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of seven to fifteen years with a fine of up to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to three years, or without it and with restriction of freedom for a term of one to two years, or without it .
    3. The participation of a mercenary in armed conflict or hostilities -
    shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of three to seven years with restriction of freedom for a term of up to one year, or without it.
    Note. A mercenary is a person who is acting for the purpose of receiving material remuneration and who is not a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict or military actions, who does not reside permanently on its territory, and who is not a person who is assigned to perform official duties.
  13. +3
    8 September 2015 08: 49
    There should not be any PMCs. There is an army, there is a Ministry of Internal Affairs, there are internal troops, this is more than enough!
    1. +1
      8 September 2015 09: 31
      Quote: Million
      There should not be any PMCs. There is an army, there is a Ministry of Internal Affairs, there are internal troops, this is more than enough!

      you forgot about the forces of special operations%)
    2. +1
      8 September 2015 09: 44
      Especially about the Ministry of Internal Affairs delivers ... That's when the cops cease to behave like feljandarmerie in the occupied territory, then you can talk.
    3. +2
      8 September 2015 11: 05
      Quote: Million
      There should not be any PMCs. There is an army, there is a Ministry of Internal Affairs, there are internal troops, this is more than enough!


      Let me disagree with you. Any state should have a variety of tools to solve various problems. Some problems cannot be solved by the forces of government agencies. A PMC without any special consequences can "make a mistake" with the inspection of a vehicle, or with the arrest of a spy, for example. Apologies, at worst a fine. No international hype. And one more important point: PMCs can use such technical means to solve the assigned task that the official state power structures never dreamed of. (the cost can be limited only by the customer's budget). hi
      1. +1
        8 September 2015 13: 49
        Quote: Polite Elk
        such technical means that the official state power structures did not even dream of. (cost can be limited only by the budget of the customer). hi

        There is no such customer that can compete in the budget with the State, which is why they all pump material resources from the country, take away this opportunity from them and you have a primitive nonviable parasite.
        and you are an army for this parasite, for what ???
        1. +1
          8 September 2015 14: 25
          Quote: twviewer
          There is no such customer that can compete in the budget with the State


          In terms of size, I agree, no. And by the time of access to the resource? And for liability for the consequences of the application? For example, to eliminate the evil drug dealers who are entrenched in a fortified bunker located in a country that is not entirely friendly to us, the use of chemical weapons would be optimal, ammunition with which can be bought for a round amount in cash from a good local military in a rank similar to our ensign, how long can it take to address the issue through state channels? And is it possible to resolve the issue officially?
  14. 0
    8 September 2015 08: 51
    I heard that the idea of ​​PMCs in the Russian Federation is being lobbyed by GAZPROM and ROSNEFT.
  15. 0
    8 September 2015 09: 15
    "Generals are always preparing for past wars" ... It's time to really understand that the conditions and order of warfare have changed in the era of nuclear deterrence. Hybrid wars, however ... We need both PMCs and private arms companies. It's time to move.
  16. +1
    8 September 2015 09: 44
    PMSCs as a foreign policy tool are very effective. Take the same Donbass. It was possible to calmly send weapons and contingents there, explaining that it was a military unit and not all of Russia. In principle, all over the world, PMSs have always been controlled by the state.
    1. +1
      8 September 2015 20: 49
      Quote: Nehist
      It was possible to calmly send weapons and contingent there, explaining that it was a military unit and not all of Russia

      And what of that? The Rada would not call the aggressor country, would the West lift the sanctions and wouldn’t hint at the downed Boeing? Well, as children, by golly.
  17. +2
    8 September 2015 10: 57
    War is a continuation of politics, and politics is a concentrated expression of the economy. In principle, after privatization according to Chubais, all armed forces or formations are PMCs. If you do not go into high matters, the problem is that PMCs do not work for an idea, but for money. The task is set by the one who pays, and not the one who creates PMCs. As a result, any PMC will work for a transnational corporation (TNC). The idea of ​​PMCs is promoted by TNCs.
    On the other hand, it is clear that those who feel they are "highly professional" are not satisfied with their money or pension. Today they even join Alpha because after being fired it will be possible to get the position of the head of the own security service in a very large company. So it should be understood that if this bottle is uncorked, the hangover will be severe.
  18. +1
    8 September 2015 12: 27
    it’s possible to make a trial project;
  19. 0
    8 September 2015 12: 32
    As if him, (the author of the publication ... or someone else) someone will ask: FOR him or AGAINST.
  20. 0
    8 September 2015 12: 48
    There should be a correct, proportional combination of professionals and draftees. So far, our army has not achieved this.
  21. +2
    8 September 2015 13: 09
    For H "G" VK - Private "State" military companies. hi
  22. +2
    8 September 2015 13: 12
    Yes, there are PMCs of Russian origin. In particular, for oil workers who work abroad (for example, Lukoil in Iraq, I even posted them as an example).
    So maybe shamefully enough to cover your face? Everything is already there, it is only a matter of legalization. hi
    Well, finally, I can’t help but recall one old Hochma:
    You will have the opportunity to travel the world, meet many interesting new people ... and kill them all!
    laughing
  23. +2
    8 September 2015 14: 10
    But they were created as foreign enterprises, and taxes are not paid in Russia.


    You are mistaken, dear, such an enterprise, in principle, does not pay any taxes, because its activities take place in different states, and the legal entity is registered in offshore. Accordingly, it is not necessary to show profit anywhere. But the fighter, he will spend the earned money for the most part in Russia, having paid VAT when spending money. The question is somewhat different - insurance. That is, the state, having legalized this kind of activity, will have to oblige insurance companies to insure such a person, regardless of his location. These financial relations + income tax + VAT will be of state interest. Another point, this is not some kind of bonanza if there is no state order. Weak companies often cheat, even issuing a letter of credit. From that all climb under the wing of large sharks, cutting their profits. Ideal to work with Hye.

    And one more thing, this activity is for those who have sewed in the zoo. For those who want to constantly question their mom’s work. My advice is to the kids who see this as an adventure of thrills, to see the world and cut down cabbage. Guys, the flip side of this coin is wounds, chronic illnesses, prisons of exotic states, and death will probably be the easiest way out. You won’t earn money, if on occasion you don’t take yourself how much you need. laughing From that, my advice, the advice of a very experienced person - go make a career in the army, in the police, in special agencies. There you have the prospect of getting what you deserve. What your brain and arms are capable of. In the PMC canoe you bet your fate on roulette.
  24. +1
    8 September 2015 17: 41
    Only the state should have the right to use force, otherwise anarchy.
  25. -1
    8 September 2015 19: 16
    The question is "to a very experienced person." Why do you think that you should take your word for it, including the fact that you are really experienced? You didn't even bother to back up your arguments with any concrete facts. The answer is following after "very experienced." Now the main PMCs are British and American, something no anarchy is observed in these countries, although PMCs have been there for many, many years. Yes, to grind with tongues - not to drag stones. All are great ...
    1. +2
      8 September 2015 20: 57
      Quote: trak
      .Now the main PMCs are English and American, there is something no anarchy in these countries, although PMCs have been there for many, many years.

      Because the ultimate owners of these companies, concurrently the owners of these countries.
    2. +1
      8 September 2015 22: 36
      grind with tongues - do not carry stones


      I understand that this is for me smile . Just the arguments, what facts do the arguments need? If you are interested in something specifically, ask a specific question. By the way, I’m not saying that such offices are not needed, I just warn young people that they would not spoil their lives. Does this statement need any facts? Otherwise, a military pensioner who raised children, who does not want to work as a physical instructor or military instructor, or Chaldean at the entrance, may well manage the rest of his life.

      As for the ownership of PMCs, for example, not in every US state you will be able to register such an enterprise. And they are usually divided into many branches. In one place you are given lectures, at a separate private training ground you shoot back, in another you master special skills. All this is paid, where you are not paid, but you. After passing the exams, you will be able to get a job in your "specialty". Rather, register your number on a special resource. In other cases, the announcement in publications such as SOF. If you are satisfied with a little money, then you will find a job quickly, but you are unlikely to like it. The main activity is the protection of goods and facilities around the world. Why are the firms Anglo-Saxon? Because the property is mostly Anglo-Saxon. Do not even dream of carrying out any "special" operations, this is already in another area of ​​specialists. From that, in every African capital, you will find in a white bar dozens if not hundreds of former legionnaires from both PMCs and the army, who from one hundred to two hundred greens a day will inject their services privately to you, talking about their super connections with the entire Iter Banana host country. By the way, meet your compatriots, but don't expect a discount))). Enough texture, or what else do you want?
  26. +1
    8 September 2015 20: 39
    Sitting conditional abromovich with Vekselberg, bored. And they have all that. The sea of ​​money, yachts, clubs, eggs, their people in power, the Pope's favor. And what else you want, and the Pope is not eternal. Fuck, they don't have PMCs. The best houses in London and Philadelphia have, but they don't. Shouldn't the people responsible for the media be whistling here? Why not give them a dough for bloggers-kers, so that the question of PMCs would be galvanized from the audience? I'm exaggerating, of course. But supporters of PMCs, answer one question: What good is it to you that a PMC appeared in Russia? Will you use her services? Or will you go there to work, kill for someone's business interests? The argument that the state can solve delicate tasks with the help of PMCs, and itself, as it were, to stay on the sidelines, avoiding censure, sanctions, embargoes and other troubles, does not stand up to criticism. Sanctions are applied not "for something", but "because". Even if, instead of polite people, a PMC worked in Crimea, and Tatars were asked to join the Russian Federation most of all, sanctions cannot be avoided. Because the "beneficiary" is Russia, not PMCs and Tatars. And since no one can impose sanctions on the states (maximum "counter-sanctions", and then only the Russian Federation), then the rules of the game with PMCs have been adopted. Everyone understands who the "beneficiary" is, but there is no "proof". In addition, the Russian Federation, no one bothers to hire a PMC, create a PMC in some Guadeloupe, it is possible for a specific task.
    In addition to moneybags, PMCs do not need anyone. Only owners of big money can pull PMC services. And do not care big money law, which in our country has been repeatedly proved. Who dines and dances the girl. And if in Russia it comes to the creation of PMCs, then same-sex marriages must be resolved. To walk, so to walk.
  27. +1
    8 September 2015 21: 17
    There is nothing even to discuss - there should not be any Cheka in Russia.
    This is neither useful nor necessary for the people, but the gentlemen who are worried about their denyushki and chop enough for the eyes.
  28. +1
    8 September 2015 21: 56
    Surprisingly, you want experienced guys to solve the problems of the state (companies), knowing in advance that they do not fall under UN laws and you yourself can be baptized from them and demand patriotism too? So you don’t use people in difficult situations, and treat them accordingly, provide rights, protection, help, well then why the Cheka, this is all
  29. 0
    9 September 2015 01: 06
    I put a minus to the article, but not because it is against PMCs, but because the author himself does not really understand the difference between the contract service and the conscription service. Here he says:which army is better for Russia - professionally contracted or national draft? A service cannot be professionally contracted or popular draft, a service is either CONTRACT or DRAFT. A soldier can be a professional if the commanders taught him how to use a military specialty and a contract officer can only pick his nose and drive young conscripts. He will serve one term under the contract, unless of course he has a competent commander. So the next expression of the author isBut then, when a major war ensued, professional armies turned into a base for the rapid deployment and training of draftees after the start of popular appeal. Because each ordinary professional was made for draftees an authoritative and experienced junior commander, able to quickly train his subordinates. also does not shine with great knowledge. It is the draft army of the state where the male population is doing military service on conscription, that is, the masses make up the mobilization reserve and resource that during the war allows you to deploy a large army because the people served and restored skills and received the new ones are not very difficult, for example, that our Chechen companies, that Donbass, when yesterday’s hard workers, who served urgently, quickly restore military skills. And PMCs, why PMCs are needed, if in the West they have been used for a long time, then why don’t we Use such a tool.
  30. 0
    9 September 2015 13: 45
    Captenu45. To become a professional, you need time, a lot of time. The author pointed out that in the Russian Empire, conscripts served first 25, and later 5 years. So to think that it is possible to work professionals from the current conscripts, it is simply ridiculous. They will become them only in war, swallowing blood. To this blood was less, it is better to have a lot of experienced contract soldiers who train draftees quickly and correctly, if that ... Asadullah. It is interesting to tell, from which sources of information? I would like to check. Carabiner. I respect your commitment to communism. But it is strange to hear from you the question of what personal benefits do PMC supporters want to receive? What they can unselfishly care about the benefits of the country, you are not able to admit?
  31. 0
    15 September 2015 11: 35
    Wake up, people)
    Look at the news, at least our domestic "Russia 24". Even officials do not really hide the fighting in Syria, in Ukraine, and the devil only knows where the Russian mercenaries are. Domestic PMCs have been de facto a reality for a long time, although they have not been legalized de jure.
    And about the article of the Criminal Code, EMNIP for ALL the time of the existence of the Russian Federation, only a couple of people were involved in it.

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