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Defense Ministry will continue cooperation with Amur shipbuilders

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation intends to continue cooperation with the Amur Shipbuilding Plant, where frigates are currently under construction, and in the future to order him construction for the Pacific Fleet of diesel submarines, reports RIA News post office.


Defense Ministry will continue cooperation with Amur shipbuilders


According to the report, the Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov visited the Amur Plant, where he “inspected the shops for the construction of corvettes of the 20380 project, the diesel submarine of the 636 Varshavyanka project, and also the composite products shop”.

The company was in a pre-bankrupt state several years ago, but it was saved as a city-forming one. “The Ministry of Defense began to gradually load the shipyard with orders, revising the cost indicators of the unprofitable contract for the construction of the first two 20380 corvettes,” the press service explained.

“The plant was given a condition: if they begin to fulfill contractual obligations rhythmically and take the construction stages in time, we will continue placing orders. What we gradually do. They launched the first corvette, we concluded with them an additional two contracts for the third and fourth corvettes. So we will continue to build relationships- quotes the Office of the Deputy Minister.

“Here they will launch the second corvette, we will order the fifth and sixth. In general, in the future, we will look at this plant for the construction of diesel submarines for the Pacific fleet"- said Borisov.

Amur shipbuilders told the deputy minister that they decided to master the production of plastic ship sections, which would allow the production of minesweepers for the Far East.
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  1. kil 31
    kil 31 6 September 2015 13: 14 New
    +23
    “The plant was given a condition: if they begin to rhythmically fulfill contractual obligations and complete the construction stages on time, then we will continue to place orders. Probably one more condition was put, they said in your ear: Do not steal.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 6 September 2015 14: 05 New
      +7
      Quote: Kil 31
      “The plant was given a condition: if they begin to rhythmically fulfill contractual obligations and complete the construction stages on time, then we will continue to place orders. Probably one more condition was put, they said in your ear: Do not steal.

      The problems of this enterprise are that it agreed (I don’t know for a bribe or simply because of lack of money) to build two corvettes of the project 20380 “Perfect” and “Loud”, pledged in 2006 and 2012, respectively, at low estimated costs, which led to a conflict with The Ministry of Defense and even to the construction stop. In April 2014, the ship contract was re-signed. As a result, the estimated cost of one corvette grew from 6,5 to 13 billion rubles.
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 6 September 2015 14: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: APASUS
        Quote: Kil 31
        “The plant was given a condition: if they begin to rhythmically fulfill contractual obligations and complete the construction stages on time, then we will continue to place orders. Probably one more condition was put, they said in your ear: Do not steal.

        The problems of this enterprise are that it agreed (I don’t know for a bribe or simply because of lack of money) to build two corvettes of the project 20380 “Perfect” and “Loud”, pledged in 2006 and 2012, respectively, at low estimated costs, which led to a conflict with The Ministry of Defense and even to the construction stop. In April 2014, the ship contract was re-signed. As a result, the estimated cost of one corvette grew from 6,5 to 13 billion rubles.

        And I'm about the same. Damn what some fin. schemes are driven away, and then the people of the city suffer and the budget of the Russian Federation.
      2. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 6 September 2015 15: 22 New
        +1
        The cost of all corvettes 20380 - 7,5 billion. Rub. This is not 6,5, but not 13. Maybe the cost has increased due to the purchase of equipment necessary for their construction. The plant has not updated its funds since Soviet times. Well, where is the modernization, of course there is a cut.
      3. PQ-18
        PQ-18 6 September 2015 15: 59 New
        +4
        you don’t "get sick" with MO on the profitability of the State order (reinforced concrete rate - 20%!?), and at once purchase ALL the materials and components necessary for the construction of the ship (2-3 years in advance) without borrowed funds or a partial ADVANCE from MO ... request
      4. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 6 September 2015 17: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: APASUS
        As a result, the estimated cost of one corvette increased from 6,5 to 13 billions rubles

        This is clearly an overpriced one! Boreas costs 23 billion rubles! Can't one corvette cost half the STRATEG!
      5. Galan
        Galan 6 September 2015 19: 52 New
        +3
        A strange calculation of the cost of construction.
        In shipbuilding, the cost of a head order has always been very different from the cost of a serial order, sometimes 2-3 times, because the cost of the head always included the cost of custom equipment for hull procurement and slipway production. The maximum that could be used with other projects is bed for flat sections. Often had to modernize the ship's ways, transmission and launch transborders. When assembling in hulls in a dry dock, there are no less problems. Sometimes, when ordering large series, a head series was allocated, the cost of which was laid out the cost of equipment.
        It seems that the contract for the construction of two perfect and loud corvettes was signed either by Moscow efficient managers or local mafiosi. In any case, the approach was illiterate amateurish.
      6. Bongo
        Bongo 7 September 2015 08: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: APASUS
        The problems of this enterprise is that it agreed (I don’t know for a bribe or simply because of lack of money) to build two corvettes of the 20380 project “Perfect” and “Loud”, laid down in the 2006 and 2012 years, respectively, at a lower estimated cost ...

        The main problem of the NEA is precisely the irresponsibility and theft of its leadership.

        Not so long ago, the former general director of Amur Shipbuilding Plant OJSC, Andrei Basargin, was arrested. He is accused of embezzlement of millions. The investigation has data according to which Basargin gave instructions on the illegal redistribution of funds received from the Ministry of Defense as part of the execution of the state defense order.

        The previous general director of the enterprise Anatoly Gurov resigned of his own free will in the 2012 year, becoming a defendant in a criminal case under part 1 Art. 201 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (abuse of authority). In May of 2011, he entered into an agreement on the provision of information and advisory and legal services, according to which one of the enterprises illegally, according to the investigation, transferred about 4 million rubles.

        The NEA was literally overwhelmed by an epidemic of theft, as it is not strange, many "caught by the hand" get off with a "slight fear". So the supplier Bolotin, having returned to the treasury a couple of millions, left the courtroom at liberty with “conditional punishment”. The head of the Assembly and Supply Department of the Concern of Medium and Small Tonnage Shipbuilding Alexander Pletnev was sent to the general regime colony by the Komsomolsk court for embezzlement of state funds on an especially large scale. He also returned to the treasury the amount with six zeros. However, tens of times more there was real harm to the Fatherland and the factory caused by their accomplices who managed to leave the country.

        You can recall the story of "substandard" freon and the death of people on the Nerpa nuclear submarine. For this, no one answered. am
  2. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 6 September 2015 13: 15 New
    +6
    The company a few years ago was in a pre-bankrupt state, but was retained as a city-forming.

    And people are good and the fleet will develop good
    The people and the army are one! good
  3. vovanpain
    vovanpain 6 September 2015 13: 23 New
    +25
    In the USSR, for the Pacific Fleet, submarines were also made at the Amur plant, and then came Mecheny and EBN the plant had to make needles for gramophones.
  4. Wiruz
    Wiruz 6 September 2015 13: 27 New
    +4
    With the construction of diesel engines in the Far East, serious problems can arise, I think. Yes, there was a time when the NEA launched a submarine nuclear submarine 9 months after laying, but since then a lot of water has flowed. And besides, what diesels order MO? We won’t build Varshavyanka anymore, as the Commander-in-Chief said (although his words diverge more often than they agree), it seems you can also forget about Lada - the project will be limited to three representatives, only the Kalina project shrouded in mystery. But it’s better to start building them in the Baltic - Admiralty Shipyards have gained in recent years.

    For the Pacific Fleet, and for the NEA, now the 20380/20386 corvettes and the 20350 / 20350M frigates / sub-destroyers would be more useful and preferable now. I think so...
    hi
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 6 September 2015 13: 35 New
      +9
      Wiruz
      "With the construction of diesel engines in the Far East, serious problems can arise,"...

      Here the deputy head of the committee said: "in the future, we will watch this plant for the construction of diesel submarines for the Pacific Fleet"....

      Previously, the plant built diesel submarines for the Pacific Fleet ... They will remember, they will work ...

      Both submarines at the Pacific Fleet are needed, and people need work, and shipbuilding needs to be revived ...

      Wherever you throw - everything is needed ...
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 6 September 2015 15: 19 New
        +2
        Did people stay? Specialists? Who grew old, who left for the "west". And the production is high-tech, you won’t get Tajiks there ...
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 7 September 2015 21: 16 New
          0
          People are, sn low, this is the problem
    2. CAMS
      CAMS 6 September 2015 15: 58 New
      +1
      Well, who will lay out all the ins and outs of you: who and what and where. What to guess is! The factory is working, people receive the pay, on time. That's all we are supposed to know from the Moscow Region.
    3. 4thParasinok
      4thParasinok 6 September 2015 16: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Wiruz
      But it’s better to start building them in the Baltic - Admiralty Shipyards in recent years have gained experience

      Let everything be done in the Baltic, we will close all other plants and we will be left with nothing at all. Admiralty shipyards are already working hard to constantly lag behind the schedule.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 6 September 2015 17: 04 New
        0
        Let everything be done in the Baltic, we will close all other plants and we will be left with nothing at all. Admiralty shipyards are already working hard to constantly lag behind the schedule.

        There are a lot of beeches, it makes little sense.

        The Admiralty Shipyards may be slightly behind the schedule, however, they have more experience in the construction of diesel submarines than other plants combined. Google how many Warsaw women were built for China, India, Algeria, Vietnam and for what lines. By the way, the lag behind the plan in the order for the Russian Navy is not so big - a year of everything. The deadline for the delivery of the sixth submarine was moved from 2016 to 2017.
        Now look at the lag behind the schedules at other enterprises (except Zelenodoltsev). The Northern Shipyard, Amber, the same NEA, let them still work purely on surface ships - corvettes and frigates hi
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  5. sl22277
    sl22277 6 September 2015 13: 28 New
    +3
    In Russia, we have many factories with which the Ministry of Defense simply needs to cooperate. This only benefits both people and the country. It is only necessary to stop stealing and squandering!
  6. Wiruz
    Wiruz 6 September 2015 13: 33 New
    +1
    Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov visited the Amur Plant, where "inspected the construction workshop corvettes of the project 20380, diesel submarine of project 636 "Varshavyanka"

    SHTA ??? belay
  7. Haettenschweiler
    Haettenschweiler 6 September 2015 13: 33 New
    +2
    That would be to increase the "park" of nuclear submarines ... still, they have "autonomy" much as much as the displacement.
  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 6 September 2015 13: 36 New
    +9
    I would say a good factory! Let it develop for the good of the Fatherland!
  9. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 6 September 2015 13: 37 New
    +8
    It is very cool that they plan to build new diesel submarines at the NEA. There, capacities allow, and it would be necessary to update the KTOF subfloor! And place two brigades of diesel submarines: one in Vladivostok, the second in Ilyichevskaya Bay or Krasheninnikov Bay.
  10. Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 6 September 2015 13: 51 New
    +5
    It is imperative to revive schools for the submarine fleet, and even the most advanced equipment in inexperienced hands is only a pile of iron.
  11. roskot
    roskot 6 September 2015 14: 02 New
    +4
    The fleet needs frigates and corvettes and submarines and minesweepers. Of course, educational institutions. Then you can be sure of peace in the Far East.
  12. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 6 September 2015 14: 51 New
    +6
    If an enterprise is capable of mass-producing military equipment samples that are in service with the Russian army, it is simply necessary to support it with orders and investments. For us now, the time allotted for rearmament is very expensive. Therefore, the more parallel assembly lines we have, the better. The faster we reach the planned level of saturation of troops with new weapons.
  13. iouris
    iouris 6 September 2015 14: 52 New
    +1
    Does the Russian Defense Ministry have an alternative?
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 6 September 2015 15: 19 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Does the Russian Defense Ministry have an alternative?

      Of course, to sell everything.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 6 September 2015 17: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      Does the Russian Defense Ministry have an alternative?

      NEA is a city-forming enterprise. Therefore, the STATE has no alternative. People - work, family - salary, Moscow Region - "shovel" ...
      And without orders from the Moscow Region, the city together with the plant will not be able to produce it. It’s as clear as God's day!
  14. Denshik34
    Denshik34 6 September 2015 15: 27 New
    +5
    I live in this city and I know by hearsay all the problems of the plant !!! GDP change leadership and everything will be a bunch wink And while there is no hope at the helm
    1. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 7 September 2015 05: 49 New
      0
      It has always been there. He worked in the late 60s. Safety measures (radiation) at zero. Theft flourished. The attitude towards workers as Tajiks was not considered for people. Leadership sprinkles and fells west. Maybe now it will change ..... There is a timid hope.
  15. family tree
    family tree 6 September 2015 16: 58 New
    +2
    Sevsk, Peter, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, everything, more in Russia no submarines are built anywhere. But the nuclear submarines, Sevsk and Komsomolsk were releasing from the docks, I didn’t know that the ZLK had almost been leaked, SevMash walked around the edge, he was closer, everything, I’m silent, more farther on ...
    Defense Ministry will continue cooperation with Amur shipbuilders
    Oh, benefactors! And with whom else do you, b ...!? With Saint-Nazaire, b ....
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 6 September 2015 22: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: perepilka
      no longer in Russia build submarines anywhere.

      I don’t know how now, but submarines were still being built in Russia in the glorious city of Nizhny Novgorod at the Krasnoye Sormovo plant.
      Project 613 series of 113 units (1953-1956)
      Project 633 series of 20 units (since 1958)
      pr. 670 Skat and 670M Seagull - nuclear submarine with cruise missiles underwater launch (1967 −1978)
      Project 671 RT "Salmon" multipurpose nuclear submarine of the second generation (1972-1978)
      Project 641 B Som
      Project 877 “Halibut” (type “Varshavyanka”) d / e submarines with high combat characteristics (since 1979)
      Project 945 Barracuda (since 1984)
      Project 945A "Condor" (1993)

      Is Sevmash okay now?
      1. family tree
        family tree 6 September 2015 22: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Is Sevmash okay now?

        Ash.
        Chet I Sedni, all over the Navy from the sapper

        Well, the 941st in the foreground
        1. family tree
          family tree 6 September 2015 22: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: perepilka
          Well, the 941st in the foreground


          Chaos, cho what Well, not a fig not engineering sappers, although infectious, I myself lose contact with them with stupid belayIs there alcohol in aviation? Ha! You don’t know recourse
      2. kaplei
        kaplei 7 September 2015 00: 07 New
        0
        Such projects have ruined us (pr. 945A, 3003 and 3004 orders) damn crying Hands with legs would damn these "naval commanders" to tear to hell am Titanium boats. The shells are almost eternal. I went to the seas on all but the first order. But in 1996, he saw him near the wall in Severodvinsk.
  16. atamankko
    atamankko 6 September 2015 18: 50 New
    +2
    Without orders, both the factory and the city will not survive,
    and how to look into the eyes of the first builders
    cities that are still alive.
    1. family tree
      family tree 6 September 2015 20: 30 New
      0
      Quote: atamankko
      Without orders, both the factory and the city will not survive,

      And Russia will survive without a submarine? Or so, coexist, for a while?
      and how to look into the eyes of the first builders
      cities that are still alive.
      And they have to do with it. Pound firewood, a refrigerator, or a machine, familiar veterans to repair just like that, well, I know how, cho. And more, I'm damn, not a god.