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Israel intends to improve its aircraft in view of the possible entry into Iran C-300

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The Israeli Defense Ministry intends to supply its F-16I "Sufa" with an improved defense system against surface-to-air missiles, which can soon be supplied to the Iranian army from Russia, reports MIC with reference to the French resource "Enfo Aviation".




"The technical details of the modernization of the fighters are not specified, but it was announced that the F-16I fighter jets would be equipped with a view to a possible strike using surface-to-air missiles," the portal writes.

It is also reported that "Israel is concerned about the Russian-Iranian deal on the supply of C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Tehran."

The resource recalls that “on August X, an Israeli fighter was shot down by the Syrian army’s air defense system in Quneitra province.”
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  1. avvg
    avvg 5 September 2015 10: 13 New
    +12
    In the near future, the Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems are "too tough" for Israel.
    1. Yuri from Volgograd
      Yuri from Volgograd 5 September 2015 10: 17 New
      +19
      Quote: avvg
      S-300 is not "on the teeth" of Israel.

      Yes, that's HZ.
      Israel is used to fighting with wisdom, not with numbers and bucks.
      Maybe that thread and stretched.
      In any case, the right amount of C300 will deliver a headache to any opponent.
      1. Darkmor
        Darkmor 5 September 2015 10: 36 New
        +21
        F-16I will be equipped taking into account possible strike using surface-to-air missiles

        Interestingly, equipped with what?
        Catapult with enhanced knockout charge, so that the pilot is thrown behind the cone of expansion of fragments of the c-300 rocket?
        Efka will not be able to fly faster than the 4x of the fly, above 27km too, they do not know how to become invisible, just as they have not yet learned to completely extinguish the radar track - whatever you install on them.
        You can install, of course, anti-radar missiles, but their range on the EFs is clearly less than the c-300 range - i.e. the aircraft will be hit before the radar is hit.

        I don’t know what’s in the minds of Israeli generals, but the surest decision would be to not fly in the zone of destruction of the X-NUMX.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 5 September 2015 10: 40 New
          -17
          Quote: Darkmor
          Interestingly, equipped with what?
          Catapult with enhanced knockout charge, so that the pilot is thrown behind the cone of expansion of fragments of the c-300 rocket?
          Efka will not be able to fly faster than the 4x of the fly, above 27km too, they do not know how to become invisible, just as they have not yet learned to completely extinguish the radar track - whatever you install on them.
          You can install, of course, anti-radar missiles, but their range on the EFs is clearly less than the c-300 range - i.e. the aircraft will be hit before the radar is hit.

          I don’t know what’s in the minds of Israeli generals, but the surest decision would be to not fly in the zone of destruction of the X-NUMX.

          I recommend reading about the suppression of Syrian air defense during the operation to destroy a nuclear reactor in 2008-m. And note - without the use of strike UAVs and other facilities available to the Israeli Air Force.
          1. Das Boot
            Das Boot 5 September 2015 10: 58 New
            +7
            Quote: Pimply
            on the suppression of air defense of Syria during the operation to destroy a nuclear reactor in 2008.

            in the 07rd?
            Like the top secret signature stamp has not been removed so far, but for all LJ it’s somehow dumb.
          2. padded jacket
            padded jacket 5 September 2015 11: 04 New
            +22
            Quote: Pimply
            I recommend reading about the suppression of Syrian air defense during the operation to destroy a nuclear reactor in 2008-m.

            Enough to carry this outspoken propaganda, no bombed nuclear reactor was found in Syria. All this is another invention of the Israeli regime.
            1. shvn
              shvn 5 September 2015 15: 54 New
              +3
              what did they find at Sadam?
            2. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 5 September 2015 17: 37 New
              -3
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Quote: Pimply
              I recommend reading about the suppression of Syrian air defense during the operation to destroy a nuclear reactor in 2008-m.

              Enough to carry this outspoken propaganda, no bombed nuclear reactor was found in Syria. All this is another invention of the Israeli regime.

              Padded jacket you see how good. Nobody bombed anything, so the Zionists you hated did not produce any aggression against Syria. Well, for fiction, do not be angry. Look how much fiction they write.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 5 September 2015 17: 55 New
                +5
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                Padded jacket you see how good. Nobody bombed anything, so the Zionists you hated did not produce any aggression against Syria. Well, for fiction, do not be angry. Look how much fiction they write.

                So I say storytellers are storytellers, fantasize less, maybe someday people will begin to believe you lol
          3. hydrox
            hydrox 5 September 2015 11: 13 New
            +10
            Yeah, would you also remember 1967, or have you already lost in time?
          4. palmse
            palmse 5 September 2015 11: 22 New
            +2
            They would have to agree Well why barking barking barking
          5. Dart2027
            Dart2027 5 September 2015 13: 06 New
            +2
            And was there a nuclear weapons in Syria?
            1. Das Boot
              Das Boot 5 September 2015 13: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Dart2027
              And was there a nuclear weapons in Syria?

              Duc, with North Korean nuclear scientists and Iranian funding)
              And in 1981, the Iraqi Osirak was bombed.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 5 September 2015 14: 46 New
                +2
                State Department employees have already found so much that you can safely talk about the coming end of the world, so they need to be trusted with caution.
            2. Tusv
              Tusv 5 September 2015 13: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: Dart2027
              And was there a nuclear weapons in Syria?

              Moored periodically lol From it labor. Of course you can try anything
          6. opus
            opus 5 September 2015 13: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            Syrian air defense during the operation to destroy a nuclear reactor in 2008-m.

            2008?
            Which reactor in Syria (or Iraq) was destroyed?
            Quote: Pimply
            And note - without the use of strike UAVs and other facilities available to the Israeli Air Force.

            Well, that's understandable.
            Why risk them in the reactor?
            ==========================================

            Rayeton thinks this way:
            1. Das Boot
              Das Boot 5 September 2015 15: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: opus
              Which reactor in Syria (or Iraq) was destroyed?

              this)):
              1. opus
                opus 5 September 2015 16: 35 New
                +4
                Quote: Das Boot
                this))

                Syrian Soviet nuclear reactor?
                fakyomet, not of course it's not like kakloofeykomet ... but not far

                "When the facts change,
                I change my mind.
                What do you do, sir?
                "
                - John Maynard Keynes
                "The wicked flee when no man pursueth:
                but the righteous are bold as a lion. "

                - Proverbs 28: 1


                1: Syria is a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons
                2.All Syria’s movements in the nuclear issue are under the control of the IAEA
                According to the IAEA, in 2012, Syria enriched up to 50 tons of natural uranium, enough material to produce from three to five bombs. The enrichment procedure has been completed.
                Nuclear nuclear programs
                3. Syria has an open nuclear research program under the control of the IAEA in a miniature reactor ChineseAbout production and NOT IN AL Kibar
                26 November 2008 IAEA Board of Governors Decides to Provide Technical Assistance to Syria
                4. Senior UN Atomic Energy officials also accused Western countries of unsubstantiated accusations against Syria
                5. Bullshit
                http://www.isis-online.org/publications/SuspectSite_24October2007.pdf
                A gang of Izriltans (who secretly produce and produce nuclear weapons) and their godfathers (USA) are on trial.
                Israel’s nuclear facilities are also bombed. And what? Why not?

                1: In Soreka, an American 5 MW high-enriched uranium research nuclear reactor.
                2.In Dimon, a 26 MW heavy water reactor, built according to the French project and with their help
                3. In Dimon, there is the Moson-2 radiochemical reprocessing facility for irradiated nuclear fuel (SNF), which is capable of annually releasing 20 – 40 kg of weapons-grade plutonium. The source of spent nuclear fuel for plutonium separation is the French heavy water reactor (not 2, but one more), whose capacity in the 1970's. has been significantly increased and is, according to experts, 75 – 150 MW. The reactor was commissioned in 1966, at the same time the installation for the radiochemical reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel was launched.
                4. De facto, two nuclear centers - in Dimon and Nahal-Sorek = bomb, to beats
                5. The centers for the development and production of nuclear warheads in Nahal-Sorek, and the assembly in Iodefat-bomb with extreme cruelty


                Because Israeli specialists worked at the French nuclear center in Saclay. Saclay bomb
                Because The heavy water for the Dimon reactor was originally supplied by Norway. And the Israelis pledged only for peaceful purposes to use it and ensure absolute control of the Norwegians over the objects, but, as always, they threw the Norwegians ... to bomb Norway



                On 25 on September 1996, the Government of Israel signed the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT), however, no steps have been taken to ratify it.
                (mysterious "flash" in September 1979 in the South Atlantic)

                Israel officially declares the possibility of delivering a preemptive strike on the respective nuclear facilities of ANY countries in the Middle East (and not only declares, but also bombes = the Iraqi Osirak reactor in 1981)

                Now it is Israel that is the only state in the Middle East that not yet a member NPT.


                "A particularly loud alarm at the Foreign Ministry (Israel) should sound about a forthcoming decision that will be on the agenda of the September IAEA conference. This decision will introduce an inspection regime with respect to Israeli nuclear facilities."- said Liberman (Ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs of Israel)
                1. Ze Kot
                  Ze Kot 5 September 2015 17: 40 New
                  +4
                  Quote: opus
                  De facto - two nuclear centers - in Dimon and Nahal-Sorek = bomb, to beats
                  5. The centers for the development and production of nuclear warheads in Nahal-Sorek, and the assembly in Iodefat-bomb with extreme cruelty


                  Wait a bit. I have not yet looked at Jerusalem and have not gone to the Dead. laughing
                  1. opus
                    opus 5 September 2015 19: 18 New
                    0
                    Quote: The Cat
                    Wait a bit. I have not looked at Jerusalem yet and have not gone to the Dead

                    Well I'm kidding, BASED ON THE LOGIC of the "friends of Israel"
            2. TOR2
              TOR2 5 September 2015 17: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: opus
              Rayeton thinks so

              I watched the video as much as 2 times. The question immediately arose, but for which public is it all painted? I decided to vulgarize everything a bit and drew the frame for the commercial. I’m not even talking about the fact that radar automatics will cut off the flying poppycock immediately.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 5 September 2015 17: 51 New
                +4
                Firstly, the Jews "bombed" the mythical nuclear reactor smile not in 2008 but in 2007, and secondly, they didn’t find any reactor there, although the terrorists allegedly took the place where it was still in 2013.
                Syrian rebels seized a nuclear facility that Israel bombed in 2007
                Representatives of the "Free Army of Syria" stated that they were able to completely capture the El Kibar nuclear research center near the city of Dir al-Zour, which the Israeli aircraft bombed on September 6, 2007. This was reported by the website of the channel Al-Arabiya.
                Recall that in September 2007 an airstrike was struck at a secret facility located in a secluded spot in the desert 10 km north of the village of At-Tibna and 150 km from the Iraqi border.
                After the airstrike, the Syrians cleared the area, but the IAEA inspectors still managed to subsequently detect traces of uranium. The detected traces of uranium did not allow an unambiguous conclusion about the construction of the reactor or other similar works, but aroused suspicions and required an additional investigation.
                Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Mualim said uranium could be contained in bombs used by the Israeli Air Force during an air raid.

                http://newsru.co.il/mideast/23feb2013/nuc503.html

                The video from the so-called Jewish bombed by the Jews also does not indicate the presence of the reactor.


                In short, another Israeli "duck."
              2. opus
                opus 5 September 2015 19: 19 New
                +2
                Quote: TOR2
                I watched the video as many times 2.

                Yes, I myself can’t laugh over this video.
                And over
                Quote: Pimply
                I recommend reading about anti-aircraft defense Syria during the operation to destroy a nuclear reactor in 2008-m. And note - without the use of strike UAVs and other facilities available to the Israeli Air Force.
          7. Saburov
            Saburov 6 September 2015 09: 20 New
            0
            Where is our Professor who proved to me that C-300 has no combat experience and she will never bring down the Jews?
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 September 2015 11: 03 New
          -15
          I don’t know how it will be with C 300, but in Syria 50 ZRPK Shell were powerless against Israeli raids, not a single plane shot down.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 5 September 2015 11: 25 New
            +7
            That yap! The prototype shell was made for the Saudis in 13
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 5 September 2015 16: 36 New
              -6
              What kind of experimental copies of the Shell are for export? The shells were delivered to Syria before 2011, some part may have already been destroyed, but the rest of the air defense missile systems failed in their task.
          2. padded jacket
            padded jacket 5 September 2015 11: 25 New
            +6
            Quote: Vadim237
            With 300, but in Syria 50 ZRPK

            The thing is that Israel attacked the Syrian troops fighting terrorists from outside the Tunguska firing range.
            1. dyksi
              dyksi 5 September 2015 12: 37 New
              +3
              By the way, the F-16 near Kuneitra was shot down really. It’s probably impossible to write everything, but the E-16 electronic warfare was misled, after which the C-300 did its job. So C-300 with an initiative, with a baptism of fire. It is for this reason that Israel decided to modernize the F-16, although of course they will never admit it, the comments below confirm this only.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 5 September 2015 12: 54 New
                -6
                Quote: dyksi
                By the way, the F-16 near Kuneitra was shot down really. It’s probably impossible to write everything, but the E-16 electronic warfare was misled, after which the C-300 did its job. So C-300 with an initiative, with a baptism of fire. It is for this reason that Israel decided to modernize the F-16, although of course they will never admit it, the comments below confirm this only.

                Very, very real. Here is a direct "give a tooth"?
                1. Jackking
                  Jackking 5 September 2015 13: 03 New
                  +5
                  And you give a tooth about the bombed reactor?
                  PS I completely forgot - change the flag.
                  1. Das Boot
                    Das Boot 5 September 2015 13: 34 New
                    0
                    Quote: Jackking
                    And you give a tooth about the bombed reactor?

                    what's the difference? The point is not YaR or sweet Chinese pyrotechnics. The GI drowned out two Russian-made radars, one at Damascus, the other at the Turkish border. This is Kuwait's post in the news, and it is difficult to suspect it of special sympathy for the Jews. And, like, it was a question of the blinded Shell-C1E.
                    1. slavaisrael
                      slavaisrael 5 September 2015 15: 44 New
                      +3
                      And frisk the armor does not have its own radar at the complex !? request
                  2. Pimply
                    Pimply 6 September 2015 02: 05 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Jackking
                    And you give a tooth about the bombed reactor?
                    PS I completely forgot - change the flag.

                    And what should one give a tooth if, for example, the IAEA issued reports confirming this? 8)

                    "The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Yukiya Amano, said Syria was trying to secretly build a nuclear reactor. According to the Assotiated Press, Amano said this, speaking on Thursday in Paris. The head of the IAEA noted that the facility destroyed in Syria by an Israeli strike "The air force was five years ago, and it was the very reactor being built. Damascus has always denied such assumptions, however, since the 2008 of the year it has forbidden IAEA inspectors to visit the site of the air attack."
                    (news from April 2011)
              2. slavaisrael
                slavaisrael 5 September 2015 15: 42 New
                +1
                Schump of course - but the facts are in the studio! hi
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 5 September 2015 22: 13 New
                  +1
                  Well, something like this...
                  1. slavaisrael
                    slavaisrael 5 September 2015 22: 17 New
                    +2
                    Exactly. So how did they go blind?
            2. Talgat
              Talgat 5 September 2015 13: 02 New
              0
              and I’ll add Vatnik that sometimes strikes were made even without entering airspace — if there were small distances there, it took off — it fired rockets over its territory and practically sat down — if these f-16 would try to bomb something with us - the same technique or beeches or c-300 would have shot down border crossing planes -
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 5 September 2015 14: 04 New
                0
                Quote: Talgat
                or beeches or s-300s would shoot down border crossing planes

                In fact, missiles will be launched 50 km from the land border and 30 from the sea border, of course only for those who can carry a tactical nuclear charge. The bourgeois are well aware of this and do not climb on the rampage
              2. slavaisrael
                slavaisrael 5 September 2015 15: 45 New
                0
                So we have a very good relationship with Russia. At least your President thinks so. Why do we fight or against whom we will be friends.
            3. slavaisrael
              slavaisrael 5 September 2015 15: 41 New
              -8
              And who said that we will storm anti-aircraft missile complexes in the forehead. Maybe as always surprise - win. Our enemies always had first-class Soviet-made weapons (having no analogues in the world) and always numerical superiority. And everything is as always - whether we are so good, or the Arabs, as always. Or maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 5 September 2015 16: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: slavaisrael
                And everything is as always - whether we are so good, or the Arabs, as always. Or maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.

                Or maybe there is a third option? And probably the right one. The USSR and Russia benefit from the existence of Israel as a guarantor of peace in the region as a third force. Otherwise, how would you give Sinai to Egypt after a felic victory
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 5 September 2015 22: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Tusv
                  Or maybe there is a third option?

                  Of course have! Jews and Arabs just need to agree on borders and live in peace without threatening anyone with nuclear bombing and the unleashing of TMV!
            4. Vadim237
              Vadim237 5 September 2015 16: 47 New
              -4
              Israel carried out air strikes almost throughout Syria and not a single downed aircraft - how to understand it - most likely it should be understood as follows, Israel has effective systems for countering radars and anti-aircraft missiles, poor preparation of Syrian calculations and the inefficiency of Shells against low-flying aircraft.
              1. Nord2015
                Nord2015 5 September 2015 18: 52 New
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                Israel has effective anti-radar and anti-aircraft missile defense systems, poor preparation of the Syrian calculations and the inefficiency of the Shell against low-flying aircraft.

                We can also assume the good work of MOSAD and the traitors in the Syrian army, because knowing the location of the air defense it is possible to plot a raid route bypassing the air defense positions.
          3. shans2
            shans2 5 September 2015 16: 25 New
            0
            Israel has planning air bombs with a maximum range of up to 70 km, against airplanes with these air bombs it is necessary to use long-range air defense, and not short ...
            1. slavaisrael
              slavaisrael 5 September 2015 20: 02 New
              0
              That is, as usual - Arab eggs interfere. Maybe all the same, it's time to make a bid on smart and skillful. And then it’s somehow not funny.
              1. Jackking
                Jackking 6 September 2015 09: 41 New
                0
                You have to bet on the Arabs, because the Sinai children are constantly in search of someone to lie for and get a little more out of. But, apparently, these are genes ...
                PS In the middle it is written through e, but the totalitarian Russian school is probably to blame for this.
          4. Nord2015
            Nord2015 5 September 2015 18: 47 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            I don’t know how it will be with the C 300, but in Syria, 50 ZRPK Shell were powerless against Israeli raids, not a single plane shot down

            And the shell there has never been used at all. Why - this is a question for the Syrians. Therefore, do not talk about whether he managed or not.
            1. atalef
              atalef 5 September 2015 19: 00 New
              -1
              Quote: Nord2015
              And the shell there has never been used at all. Why - this is a question for the Syrians.

              How do you know that you didn’t try?
              Maybe they couldn’t? As always laughing
              Weapons are generally checked neither by that - they could not, whether they wanted or not.
              And the enemy aviation was bombed or not
              If yes, then such a weapon is worthless.
              1. Nord2015
                Nord2015 5 September 2015 19: 12 New
                0
                Quote: atalef
                How do you know that you didn’t try?

                Well, you alone know everything about everyone laughing hi
              2. bmv04636
                bmv04636 5 September 2015 20: 20 New
                +1
                interesting for such a rocket are ready Israeli planes
                1. slavaisrael
                  slavaisrael 5 September 2015 20: 27 New
                  -1
                  And what does someone already have here?
              3. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 5 September 2015 23: 05 New
                +4
                Quote: atalef
                And the enemy aviation was bombed or not
                If yes, then such a weapon is worthless.

                My supervisor said:
                Though lame, he’s the first to come to the finish line!
                Therefore, it may not be a weapon, but those who are sitting at the controls are worthless! After all, no one has canceled the prayer! Here is the window of opportunity! Yes, 5 more times a day! Well, what not to fight with such?
                1. atalef
                  atalef 6 September 2015 06: 04 New
                  +2
                  Quote: BoA KAA
                  Though lame, he’s the first to come to the finish line!

                  That’s the question, why the heck do I get it then? (The word is what an interesting laughing )
                  Quote: BoA KAA
                  Therefore, it may not be a weapon, but those who are sitting at the controls are worthless! After all, no one has canceled the prayer! Here is the window of opportunity! Yes, 5 more times a day! Well, what not to fight with such?

                  What to invest in such?
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 5 September 2015 19: 34 New
              +1
              In general, they are on combat duty and the operators are sitting in them - they briefly showed in the news.
              1. atalef
                atalef 5 September 2015 19: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                In general, they are on combat duty and the operators are sitting in them - they briefly showed in the news.

                With the same result, we could lie laughing
                1. slavaisrael
                  slavaisrael 5 September 2015 20: 06 New
                  -1
                  Well done. Applause! fellow
        3. Talgat
          Talgat 5 September 2015 12: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Darkmor
          but the surest decision would be to not fly in the affected area of ​​the c-300.


          Here it is - do not attack - do not bomb - stop aggression - and with-300 you are not a threat
        4. opus
          opus 5 September 2015 13: 21 New
          +5
          Quote: Darkmor
          Interestingly, equipped with what?

          1: Armor spaced equivalent in 150mm ...
          2. The location of the turbojet engine is in front and the rest is in the back.
          3. "Rear" crew location, t anal crew
          4.Chains on wings and tail
          5.KAZ Trophy Flyer

          This is F-16 Merkava block

          -------------------------------------------
          Question behind the scenes: how to fly with this armor?
          1. slavarachkov. 28
            slavarachkov. 28 5 September 2015 15: 35 New
            +1
            > Question behind the scenes: how to fly with this armor?

            Duc liquid armor invented to swim). Gaseous to invent. The plane is no longer needed, they will transfer the pilot to a gaseous state and forward with the song). How to translate? Yes, by the method of bunch. Farted and forward (or in the ass?)
        5. Alexkorzun
          Alexkorzun 5 September 2015 13: 37 New
          +6
          I know exactly what! Each aircraft is equipped with Iron Kumpolom, sorry, the Dome ... small, half a cone ... And that's it, the S-300 will be put to shame ...
      2. dauria
        dauria 5 September 2015 10: 54 New
        +6
        Israel is used to fighting with wisdom, not with numbers and bucks.


        I agree, perhaps. The Israelis “buried” the idea of ​​using the MiG-25p stratospheric interceptor against front-line aircraft. It turned out that a chic airplane just as easily gets off, if wisely. And against the S-300, tactics have probably already been worked out, the Americans are not rams. It will not do without losses, but to consider air defense an absolute guarantor is at least naive.
        1. Altona
          Altona 5 September 2015 11: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: dauria
          I agree, perhaps. The Israelis “buried” the idea of ​​using the MiG-25p stratospheric interceptor against front-line aircraft. It turned out that a chic airplane just as easily gets off, if wisely.

          -------------------------
          Well, there acted a whole group of planes, and even with the use of AWACS, and the MiG-25 and MIG-31 are not a thing in themselves, but also part of the air interception complex, that is, they also operate with information support from more powerful radars, from the ground ... So it was just a planned operation to destroy it ...
          1. slavaisrael
            slavaisrael 5 September 2015 15: 48 New
            +3
            This is exactly what our country in all wars will prove time after time, winning not by technology but by strategy and tactics of its application.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 5 September 2015 16: 20 New
              0
              Quote: slavaisrael
              This is exactly what our country in all wars will prove time after time, winning not by technology but by strategy and tactics of its application.

              And really, how did they manage to bring down a three-swing missile with a two-swing missile?
      3. BilliBoms09
        BilliBoms09 5 September 2015 11: 10 New
        +15
        It is also reported that "Israel is concerned about the Russian-Iranian deal on the supply of C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Tehran."
        And what are our "Israeli friends" so worried, because the S-300 is a purely defensive weapon, and there are no common borders with Iran? And as I recall, the Israeli media wrote that the S-300 is outdated and not dangerous for the Israeli Air Force, or is it still not outdated and dangerous? Misunderstandings are happening on the promised land. no
        1. Altona
          Altona 5 September 2015 11: 19 New
          +9
          Quote: BilliBoms09
          And what are our "Israeli friends" so worried, because the S-300 is a purely defensive weapon, and there are no common borders with Iran? And as I recall, the Israeli media wrote that the S-300 is outdated and not dangerous for the Israeli Air Force, or is it still not outdated and dangerous?

          ----------------------------
          The second missile is guaranteed to crash, all these tricks will not help ... To defeat the target there are as many missiles as needed ...
          1. slavaisrael
            slavaisrael 5 September 2015 15: 50 New
            0
            Excuse me, did you serve in air defense? Do you know exactly how air defense works? And how do they work against air defense?
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 5 September 2015 16: 30 New
              -1
              Quote: slavaisrael
              Excuse me, did you serve in air defense? Do you know exactly how air defense works? And how do they work against air defense?
              Do you know how our air defense works?
              A couple of overseas Pepelats flew up from such an airfield, in 10 minutes you will see on your radars. Target parameters ... Altitude ... Speed ​​... Azimuth ... Meet
              1. slavaisrael
                slavaisrael 5 September 2015 16: 37 New
                +1
                I served But you are not. What a crazy answer.
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 5 September 2015 16: 56 New
                  +3
                  Quote: slavaisrael I served But you are not. What a crazy answer. [/ Quote

                  Leningrad Red Banner Guards Order of Suvorov and Kutuzov Air Defense Brigade. If you want to commit suicide, fly right on her. They will not ask permission for destruction.
                  Chick Pepelats on earth, and you in heaven. Our forehead pointing guns are knocked down from one rocket. Yes, and Pvohnik Pogranik not for beautiful eyes give their sign.
                  So don’t nudge your service for the good of Israel
                  [/ comment-show]
                2. Altona
                  Altona 5 September 2015 19: 54 New
                  0
                  Quote: slavaisrael
                  I served But you are not. What a crazy answer.

                  ---------------------
                  Military unit 39872, the hero city of Minsk, was googled by an employee, now there is a civil control center ... If he served, he knew little ...
                  1. slavaisrael
                    slavaisrael 5 September 2015 20: 08 New
                    0
                    About nothing. Done combat battery. Clear.
            2. Altona
              Altona 5 September 2015 19: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: slavaisrael
              Excuse me, did you serve in air defense? Do you know exactly how air defense works? And how do they work against air defense?

              -----------------------
              I forgive you, yes ... I served in the air defense, in the control battalion, I know exactly how the air defense works, because our battalion carried out aircraft piloting and controlled the air situation throughout Europe ... Radio operators, linear communication mechanics, tablet players, encoders were sitting next to me -cryptographs, telephone and telegraph ordinary, telephone and telegraph ZAS, objective control, the whole situation in the air was visible to us, the data was sent to the lower CP ... Does this answer suit you?
              1. atalef
                atalef 5 September 2015 20: 05 New
                +1
                Quote: Altona
                I forgive you, yes ... I served in the air defense, in the control battalion, I know exactly how the air defense works, because our battalion carried out aircraft piloting and controlled the air situation throughout Europe ... Radio operators, linear communication mechanics, tablet players, encoders were sitting next to me -cryptographs, telephone and telegraph ordinary, telephone and telegraph ZAS, objective control, the whole situation in the air was visible to us, the data was sent to the lower CP ... Does this answer suit you?

                He would serve now and would know for sure who shot down the Boeing and where the Su-25 was.
              2. slavaisrael
                slavaisrael 5 September 2015 20: 09 New
                +3
                How many n and about what. And I'm just an interceptor on a Hawk. All this is done in one control post. Two sergeants.
                1. Altona
                  Altona 5 September 2015 20: 24 New
                  0
                  Quote: slavaisrael
                  How many n and about what. And I'm just an interceptor on a Hawk. All this is done in one control post. Two sergeants.

                  ---------------
                  How everything is started up in your mind, as you say, “a lot and nothing” ... Even in the shaggy 1988 I read the magazine “Military Review” and there it was chewed up that distinguished the USSR air defense from US air defense ... And how easy it is to equip the US air defense in contrast to the USSR ... In the United States, and in Israel, the terrain is open and easily scanned by the radar ... And there the staff is small, unlike our KP, though this is still due to the razdbaysky attitude to secrecy and the absence of duplication communication channels, unlike us (on that date of time when I served) ... Who shot down a Boeing has long been known except you ...
                  1. slavaisrael
                    slavaisrael 5 September 2015 20: 53 New
                    +1
                    Communication channels are closed. Without details. And as for the terrain - you voooobsche finger sky. Just the opposite. Especially from our neighbors in the east and north.
        2. Inok10
          Inok10 5 September 2015 11: 20 New
          +10
          Quote: BilliBoms09
          And what are our "Israeli friends" so worried, because the S-300 is a purely defensive weapon, and there are no common borders with Iran? And as I recall, the Israeli media wrote that the S-300 is outdated and not dangerous for the Israeli Air Force, or is it still not outdated and dangerous? Misunderstandings are happening on the promised land.

          .. absolutely right .. hi .. and the statements are also not very intelligible .. laughing
        3. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 5 September 2015 12: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: BilliBoms09
          After all, the S-300 is a purely defensive weapon, and there are no common borders with Iran?
          And dictate your conditions and bomb, oh how you want! Type: I do what I want, and you sit and wait for what I will allow you, with your older brother.
        4. Zheka40
          Zheka40 5 September 2015 12: 59 New
          -1
          These are Jews, everything is possible
        5. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 5 September 2015 23: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: BilliBoms09
          Israeli media wrote that the S-300 is outdated and not dangerous to the Israeli Air Force, or is it still not outdated and dangerous?
          That is what the Israeli Prime Minister personally persuaded Putin not to deliver the S-300 to Syria, since these systems will be able to shoot down the F-16 right when taking off from the airfield.
          And now the S-300B4 are worse than their predecessors? Or has the top view of Israeli airplanes changed?
          Tactics, of course, is an important thing, but it can also be localized with countermeasures * by * calculating * the enemy.
          Already that the F-111 pilot in Vietnam was a cunning, but he was * tied to the saddle * as a prey! It was then that the tactics of an ambush of air defense systems was born.
          If the Russian Kulibins ponder over this problem, then I am sure that they will be able to solve it.
          IMHO.
      4. PQ-18
        PQ-18 5 September 2015 11: 19 New
        +3
        Maybe that thread and stretched.

        CROWNS ! ...
        the "cunning" Jewish yeroplan on S-300 tracks definitely DOESN'T LOSE! wassat
      5. sabakina
        sabakina 5 September 2015 11: 58 New
        +1
        I don’t know whether the bike is or not, but someone once told me that the S-300 missile caught up with the target under water ...
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 5 September 2015 12: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: sabakina
          I don’t know whether the bike is or not, but someone once told me that the S-300 missile caught up with the target under water ...

          This is of course a bike, like the "peaceful Soviet tractor." You can’t argue against physics, but theoretically it can get 50 to 50 - or it will or will not. If you recall Einstein, then the probability of defeat may well be, somewhere - 0,00000000001
          And so S-300 staff comb their tactical weapons, along with the Iskanders
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 6 September 2015 00: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Tusv
            This is of course a bike, like the "peaceful Soviet tractor."

            Well, man, you give!
            But what about this * peaceful * worker of the Russian fields?
      6. nvn_co
        nvn_co 5 September 2015 16: 01 New
        0
        Wisdom-wisdom, but it’s interesting that they will change this to F-16, or turn it on during the flight, to protect oneself from the 300s, so to speak? I also like the phrase "will be equipped"Is this military terminology? laughing Fucking article or news feed ...
    2. O100 3.14 Zdol
      O100 3.14 Zdol 5 September 2015 10: 17 New
      +12
      Quote: avvg
      S-300 is not "on the teeth" of Israel.

      Well, it's you in vain wassat
      Jews have always been strong in the professions of dentist and gynecologist wassat

      Thank you all, the account will be deleted soon, but to all the "old people" IN greetings from the "trainer" drinks

      He registered in the hope of learning from the guys from Ukraine, what was going on with Purgin?
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 5 September 2015 11: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: O100 3.14 health
        Jews have always been strong in the professions of dentist and gynecologist

        Well, after all, they have not yet met such a pathology in a woman, wherever a dentist and a gynecologist would have been needed right away, just talking!
      2. Curculum
        Curculum 5 September 2015 12: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: O100 3.14 health
        He registered in the hope of learning from the guys from Ukraine, what was going on with Purgin?

        “On September 4, at an extraordinary meeting of the People’s Council of the DPR, its chairman Andrei Purgin was dismissed. Denis Pushilin became acting speaker. According to the latter, Purgin“ made a number of political statements that are contrary to the policies of the entire state ”...
        Soon, Pushilin himself said that 70 out of 73 deputies voted for Purgin's resignation. "
        http://russian.rt.com/article/113355

        Something like that.
    3. Finches
      Finches 5 September 2015 10: 29 New
      +5
      I beg you, do not make me nerves, there is someone to spoil them! laughing
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      2. Temples
        Temples 5 September 2015 10: 38 New
        +2
        “The technical details of the modernization of fighters are not specified,


        Diapers laughing
      3. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 5 September 2015 10: 40 New
        +8
        So they shot down nevertheless .....))))) And how much scream was that fake, etc.
        Ended Lafa unpunished bombing ....

        1. Pimply
          Pimply 5 September 2015 10: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: MIKHAN
          So they shot down nevertheless .....))))) And how much scream was that fake, etc.
          Ended Lafa unpunished bombing ....

          Well, actually continues to be fake. Or you think that the words "Resource recalls that" on August 21 an Israeli fighter was shot down by the Syrian army air defense system in the province of Kuneitra. " somehow change the fake event?
        2. O100 3.14 Zdol
          O100 3.14 Zdol 5 September 2015 10: 48 New
          -7
          Quote: MIKHAN
          So they shot down nevertheless .....))))) And how much scream was that fake, etc.
          Ended Lafa unpunished bombing ....

          Time goes by and Mikhanov does not change wassat
          Even if an article is published on the VO that a baby crap one's pants in Israel, MIKHAN will find a connection with the delivery of Russian weapons to Syria wassat
          Karmadrochery are eternal wassat
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 5 September 2015 10: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: avvg
      In the near future, the Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems are "too tough" for Israel.

      In fact, the opposition has long been tested in Greek C-300, several joint exercises were held
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 5 September 2015 10: 41 New
        +15
        Where is Israel, and where is Iran. Does it matter to you what kind of air defense Iran has, or in your comment do you want to overcome it?
        1. marlin1203
          marlin1203 5 September 2015 11: 13 New
          +4
          "The technical details of the modernization of the fighters are not specified, however, it was announced that the F-16I fighters will be equipped taking into account the possible strike using surface-to-air missiles," the portal writes.
          And before, they weren’t equipped at all to protect against blows from the ground? Poor expenses again ... laughing
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 5 September 2015 11: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: Pimply
        In fact, the opposition has long been tested in Greek C-300, several joint exercises were held

        What year was the Greek supply? Yes, and even with two-dimensional radars, and probably with a range of up to 150. For reference, the HARM defeat zone is 100. And then, why should Greece have new missiles for the S-300, if they are destroyed?
      3. opus
        opus 5 September 2015 13: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        opposition has long been tested at Greek C-300, several joint exercises were held

        there the Israelis stupidly lost the Glorious Spartan, which the Greek and Israeli air forces carried out in May-June 2008, about 100 Israeli fighters took part in training attacks on various targets, which were also guarded by the Greek C-300.

        There are no reports on Iniohos 2015 (ΗΝΙΟΧΟΣ 2015)


        1. The teachings took 150 fighter participation, including 10 F-16 fighters from various IDF air squadrons.

        2. Greece has 2 C-300 PMU-1 complexes, which were purchased from Cyprus in 1999. C-300 complexes were acquired by Cyprus from Russia in 1998 city

        3. Frequencies, the structure of the air defense of Greece - open to Israel. Similar equipment
      4. yushch
        yushch 5 September 2015 18: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        Quote: avvg
        In the near future, the Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems are "too tough" for Israel.

        In fact, the opposition has long been tested in Greek C-300, several joint exercises were held


        What straight worked long ago ??? Damn, but the Feisty one probably doesn’t know that the S-300 Jews are not afraid of comrades, so he’s upset ... he’ll probably order all the S-300 to be collected and thrown away. I’ll tell you a terrible secret, export weapons systems are very different from those in service with the Russian army.
    5. palmse
      palmse 5 September 2015 11: 17 New
      +1
      Half there Our people
      1. O100 3.14 Zdol
        O100 3.14 Zdol 5 September 2015 11: 26 New
        -3
        Quote: palmse
        Half there Our people

        Judging by Vysotsky, "because there is a quarter of our former people" laughing
        But on the site, judging by the love of pluses and the ability to gesheft a lot of expectations stuck, I only tracked MIKHAN and Baikonur, but they are much more wassat
      2. Minsk
        Minsk 5 September 2015 12: 51 New
        -1
        Yours, but not ours.
    6. anokem
      anokem 5 September 2015 11: 36 New
      -7
      As for the plane shot down on August 21, utter nonsense. Tales of 1001 Nights. I am not sure how much it is necessary to improve the F-16 I to counter the S-300. In a year and a half, the F-35 will enter service and they will be able to solve the S-300 problem with a first-wave strike without any problems. And after the destruction of the S-300, F-15 and F-16 will be able to enter Iranian airspace and work quietly
      1. O100 3.14 Zdol
        O100 3.14 Zdol 5 September 2015 11: 47 New
        -6
        Quote: anokem
        As for the plane shot down on August 21, utter nonsense. Tales of 1001 Nights. I am not sure how much it is necessary to improve the F-16 I to counter the S-300. In a year and a half, the F-35 will enter service and they will be able to solve the S-300 problem with a first-wave strike without any problems. And after the destruction of the S-300, F-15 and F-16 will be able to enter Iranian airspace and work quietly

        This is all clear, but someone from the ancients said that the land is not considered conquered until the soldier’s foot sets on it. Are you measured in pipettes or are you waging wars?
        Russia could have bombed any objects in any part of the world without problems, but it doesn’t need it, but you seem to have not come out of childhood and are proving to someone that you are already adults ...
        Although 2-3 Poplars could nihilize you repeat
        1. anokem
          anokem 5 September 2015 12: 10 New
          -6
          We do not need to prove anything to anyone, and we are not going to seize the territory of Iran. Our only interest in Iran is that Iran does not have nuclear weapons. If someone does not remember: Iran is a country that denies the right of Israel to exist in ANY borders. Therefore, the possession of such a country by nuclear weapons is unacceptable to us. If Iran really respects the agreement with the powers, excellent. If nuclear development continues, our Air Force will stop them (it’s impossible to count on Americans under the current administration)
          Regarding 2-3 Poplars: no doubt, they would nihilize us. But there would be 5 submarines with cruise missiles that would nihilate all the million-plus cities of the European part of Russia. It’s good that such thoughts live only in your inflamed brain, and we and Russia have neutrality ..
          1. Days
            Days 5 September 2015 14: 43 New
            +9
            Let’s write it down: Israel can have nuclear weapons, but Iran cannot. Everyone should love Israel, and whoever does not love, Israel will forbid everything in a row.
            1. slavaisrael
              slavaisrael 5 September 2015 15: 55 New
              +1
              And also write down that Israel does not deny the right to coexist of any state - and even you.
              1. Days
                Days 5 September 2015 19: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: slavaisrael
                And also write down that Israel does not deny the right to coexist of any state - and even you.

                No.

                Israel denies the State of Palestine, continues to destroy this state, creating reservations for the Palestinians, and continues armed expansion in Palestine and neighboring states.

                Independence of the State of Palestine as of 2014 recognized 135 out of 193 UN member states.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 5 September 2015 20: 03 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Dagen
                  Israel denies the state of Palestine

                  it is impossible to deny what is not yet
                  Israel recognizes the right of 2 states for two nations.
                  All that remains is for the Palestinians to recognize the same.

                  Quote: Dagen
                  creating reservations for the Palestinians,

                  Reservations? Do you know the meaning of this word?
                  Quote: Dagen
                  The independence of the State of Palestine as of 2014 was recognized by 135 out of 193 UN member states.

                  Well, the flag in their hands.
                  Out of Abkhazia 3.5 digger was recognized, this does not prevent you and its inhabitants from considering it an independent state.
                  1. Days
                    Days 6 September 2015 01: 40 New
                    -2
                    Do not worry, there is no need to look for an excuse. On our planet, very often some people destroy others.

                    And as an Israeli complained above, Iran also believes that there is no Israel, just as Israel believes that there is no Palestine. And Iran is somewhat right, because without the USA there is no Israel, Israel is not an independent state.
                  2. Revolver
                    Revolver 6 September 2015 23: 11 New
                    -1
                    Quote: atalef
                    it is impossible to deny what is not yet
                    has never been, and is unlikely to ever take place.
                2. slavaisrael
                  slavaisrael 5 September 2015 20: 10 New
                  -1
                  I did not find such a state in Google - Palestine. Well, not him.
                  1. opus
                    opus 6 September 2015 02: 12 New
                    0
                    Quote: slavaisrael
                    I did not find such a state in Google - Palestine. Well, not him.

                    Well, in Google, most recently the Republic of Kosovo (Republika e Kosovës) was not.
                    Now it is
                  2. andj61
                    andj61 6 September 2015 16: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: slavaisrael
                    I did not find such a state in Google - Palestine. Well, not him.

                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Государство_Палестина
                    lenta.ru/news/2015/05/31/palestina/
                    https://slon.ru/posts/53313
                    Something you are badly looking for! laughing
                    But all you need to score in the search engine is “the state of Palestine” - and that’s it!
            2. shvn
              shvn 5 September 2015 16: 18 New
              +1
              yeah, while p-and-n-d-s hold the Jews by the gate and do not give an e-fucking in full, then you can wave your hands, and e-lo wail anyone they think
            3. Dan4eG
              Dan4eG 6 September 2015 02: 10 New
              +2
              Let’s write it down: Russia can have nuclear weapons, but Ukraine can’t! Everyone must love Russia, and whoever doesn’t love that we will write in liberal homosexuals! And I almost forgot "Glory to the Leader the Great and the Beautiful!"
          2. shans2
            shans2 5 September 2015 16: 42 New
            +2
            Cruise missiles are absolutely helpless against Krasukh 2 and guaranteed against Krasukh 4))
            1. atalef
              atalef 5 September 2015 20: 14 New
              -2
              Quote: shans2
              Cruise missiles are absolutely helpless against Krasukh 2 and guaranteed against Krasukh 4))

              Yes, you need generally more REEEEEEB wink
          3. opus
            opus 5 September 2015 16: 49 New
            +3
            Quote: anokem
            Our only interest in Iran is that Iran does not have nuclear weapons.

            Why is it possible for Israelis, but not for Iranians?
            You are Obermen’s, and they are Untermensch?

            Quote: anokem
            Iran is a country that denies the right of Israel to exist in ANY borders.

            The United States, EEC and Ukraine deny the existence of the DPR, LPR in any borders, Crimea is considered Kakloin.
            So what?
            Should our Air Force cease to exist in the USA, Ukraine, the EEC and other UOs?


            Quote: anokem
            they would nihilize us.

            nihilated - how is it?
            Peace enforcement?
            Quote: anokem
            But there would remain 5 submarines with cruise missiles that would nihilate all the million-plus cities of the European part of Russia.

            What are CRs?

            Harpoon (Pop Turbo)? Gabriel MK3? 950 miles?
            Start will be made from the Gulf of Finland.
            what kind of knowledge base is there on 150kg mass.
            "You bring an Israelite to Achinea"

            16 ICBM Jericho-3 Yes.
            They are deployed at bases near settlements Kfar Zachariah and Sderot Micah.
            if you "nigilize" the Fields, then first nihilate


            If the hears are true
          4. MMX
            MMX 5 September 2015 22: 28 New
            0
            But there would be 5 submarines with cruise missiles that would nihilate all the million-plus cities of the European part of Russia


            Inadequate.
          5. vovanpain
            vovanpain 6 September 2015 00: 11 New
            +7
            anokem-Russia also has nuclear weapons, so Israel is also going to bomb us eh?
      2. dr.star75
        dr.star75 5 September 2015 12: 35 New
        +3
        I was pleased that f35 and they will solve the problem of c-300 of the first wave. Well, after (what they think) will be able to clear our air defense
      3. Tusv
        Tusv 5 September 2015 12: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: anokem
        As for the plane shot down on August 21, utter nonsense. Tales of 1001 Nights.

        They didn’t bring you down? I forgot how your aircraft two hundred flew without loss.
        In a year and a half, the F-35 will enter service and they will be able to solve the S-300 problem with a first-wave strike without any problems.

        Tell me, how a Jew to a Jew, how can a second lightning be able to carry three hundred by the first wave? This is not S-125 and S-200, where guidance on the "invisible" is on the radar. There is already an antenna post sees.
        Somehow you are not the right Jew. Do not you feel sorry for the money for such a dubious pepelats
        1. slavaisrael
          slavaisrael 5 September 2015 15: 56 New
          -2
          I didn’t understand anything in the second chapter - the antenna post, is on the radar - I don’t understand what nonsense?
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 5 September 2015 16: 34 New
            +4
            Quote: slavaisrael
            I didn’t understand anything in the second chapter - the antenna post, is on the radar - I don’t understand what nonsense?

            Someone is nonsense, and someone sees your Pepelats perfectly. This is a great slang and don’t ask me how I know the height on a two-dimensional radar without an altimeter
        2. atalef
          atalef 5 September 2015 20: 17 New
          +4
          Quote: Tusv
          Tell me how a Jew to a Jew

          Quote: Tusv
          I act like a Russian

          You are like in the old joke
          - Either put on your underpants or take off your cross laughing
      4. Minsk
        Minsk 5 September 2015 12: 55 New
        +8
        And if they don’t decide? Run to cry again in Washington, like they say we are small, they offend us?
      5. shans2
        shans2 5 September 2015 16: 37 New
        -1
        Paisy, do not overdo it, your electronic warfare is already absolutely wretched, and your and American, compared to Russia’s electronic warfare, you are 2 decades behind, with us and from 300 and subsequent complexes are made taking into account electronic warfare both for counteraction and suppression) . That’s why you masturbate your iron dome against GRAD missiles, while in our country these issues are completely and cheaply solved by EW Mercury laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 September 2015 20: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: shans2
          Euse, don’t overturn, your electronic warfare is already absolutely wretched, and your and American, compared to Russia’s electronic warfare, you are 2 decades behind, with us and from 300 and subsequent complexes are made taking into account electronic warfare both for counteraction and suppression) . That’s why you masturbate your iron dome against GRAD missiles, while in our country these issues are completely and cheaply solved by EW Mercury

          You can say anything you like, but today Russia is buying weapons from Israel, and non-turnover hi
          1. opus
            opus 5 September 2015 21: 12 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            but today Russia is buying weapons from Israel, and non-turnover

            Not weapons, but "weapons"
            V. Popovkin: “None of the devices proposed by the domestic industrye passed state tests, that's why the decision was made on the purchase of UAVs in Israel».

            So what?
            And the Israel Defense Forces use (until now) Soviet / Russian weapons and weapons.
            What am I (us) now to call you with earhooks and so to speak with superiority through an otter-pronged lip?
            1. atalef
              atalef 5 September 2015 22: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: opus
              Not weapons, but "weapons"
              V. Popovkin: “None of the devices proposed by the domestic industry passed state tests, only for this reason the decision was made to purchase UAVs in Israel”

              What's the difference ?
              by the way. Popovkin (his kingdom was not heaven) said this in what year?
              And no further than this month
              The Russian Ministry of Defense purchased another 10 Forpost unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) this year, which are assembled in Russia under a license at the Ural Civil Aviation Plant (the owner of 48,6% of the shares is Oboronprom holding controlled by Rostec) UAV Searcher company IAI. This was reported to Vedomosti by two managers of aircraft manufacturing enterprises and an interlocutor close to the Russian military department. The representative of "Oboronprom" refrained from commenting, it was not possible to receive comments from the Ministry of Defense and IAI.
              Russia’s cooperation with the Israeli IAI on UAV purchases began in 2009, when vehicles worth about $ 100 million were directly purchased from the Israelis. In 2010, Oboronprom signed a three-year contract with IAI for licensed production of several UAV types in Russia for the amount of $ 400 million, of which $ 300 million accounted for 10 complexes of the heaviest vehicles with a long Searcher flight (each complex includes a control station and several aircraft). The cost of the current contract is “approximately equal” to the value of the 2010 contract, said the source of Vedomosti in the aviation industry.

              Quote: opus
              And the Israel Defense Forces use (until now) Soviet / Russian weapons and weapons.

              Well, if only RPG
              and the rest of them left at best the chassis of the tank

              Quote: opus
              What am I (us) now to call you with earhooks and so to speak with superiority through an otter-pronged lip?

              And then the earlings?
              The fact is a stubborn thing and do not forget it hi
              1. opus
                opus 5 September 2015 23: 27 New
                0
                Quote: atalef
                And then the earlings?

                I will answer, only to this (because the rest .... mmm, well, you understand)
                BECAUSE:
                Quote: atalef
                And nobody will sell it to you, Yes, if they really ask.
                Russia generally wants to buy a lot of things in Israel (especially advanced UAVs), but alas ..
                Copy old ones for now

                Does your nose not scratch for lipin?
                =========================================
                For a long time we argued with my wife, why (and why) the whole history of mankind spread rot on the people of Israel ...
                Friends, we have Jews, acquaintances, everything seems to be normal.
                Well, it’s not clear: from Egypt to Hezbollah ...


                Now drawn:
                -You, more than 1,5 indoors, you are like Arabs, even rushing, “spirit” from you, as from a latrine
                and a bunch, a bunch, you’ll argue any nonsense (and missiles for LCD are 300. USA, OEBS, and Merkava is impenetrable, and a nuclear reactor was bombed in Syria in 2008, etc.)

                -At least some successes have been achieved, Amba, God's chosen people, the rest "should serve you as gays (oh, I'm sorry I'm all confused: gays, goyim, outcasts .., well, in general, you understood what I mean)
                1. Professor
                  Professor 6 September 2015 07: 09 New
                  +2
                  Quote: opus
                  For a long time we argued with my wife, why (and why) the whole history of mankind spread rot on the people of Israel ...
                  Friends, we have Jews, acquaintances, everything seems to be normal.
                  Well, it’s not clear: from Egypt to Hezbollah ...


                  Now drawn:
                  -You, more than 1,5 indoors, you are like Arabs, even rushing, “spirit” from you, as from a latrine
                  and a bunch, a bunch, you’ll argue any nonsense (and missiles for LCD are 300. USA, OEBS, and Merkava is impenetrable, and a nuclear reactor was bombed in Syria in 2008, etc.)

                  -At least some successes have been achieved, Amba, God's chosen people, the rest "should serve you as gays (oh, I'm sorry I'm all confused: gays, goyim, outcasts .., well, in general, you understood what I mean)

                  Oh how you turned around. Who offended? Who stepped on the corn?
                  1. opus
                    opus 6 September 2015 12: 34 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Professor
                    Oh how you turned around. Who offended? Who stepped on the corn?

                    not. No one offended me.
                    Repeat: as a friend, a Jew and a woman and a woman and children of both sexes.
                    As individuals.
                    I’m jarred by the position of SOME citizens of your state, speaking here on the topvar. (I don’t mention our people, in this case you know my opinion)
                    So I told you why.
                    - so much aplomb, so much ambition
                    - why is the stubborn opinion that the Russian Federation (in the territory of the former USSR) there was only one stupid thing left, they can’t do anything, everything falls out of our hands, briefly (but we selected the right ones by making a cut-off / or leaving)
                    ... In principle, I observe the same thing in Germany (I call them briefly azuley) and in the USA (n. Their K. migrants)

                    Why am I talking about cotton wool in a mortar?
                    Everything is told to me:

                    Some, having left, begin to spew out streams of HATE in relation to their native country, sometimes making even local Russophobes blush. But the terrible stories told by the locals in the end become little for them, and they struggle with all their might to Runet, where they begin to explain to the inhabitants of this country how they actually live shitty (even if the emigrant lives on social benefits, and collects containers, and his interlocutor has his own cottage).
                    For this, they predictably receive thousands of liters of diarrhea.


                    In Germany, former compatriots having decided, it would seem, with their choice, cannot be free and happy without confirmation that we, remaining in Russia, are not free and unhappy.


                    -------------------------------------------------- ------
                    Israeli migrants are proud of the achievements of their country, and deservedly.
                    I am the same, by the way (army, relative order, life and economy of the de facto wilderness (strawberries there), high technology, reliance on low-resource production, UAVs, GOS, mini (soon micro) radar candy, etc.)
                    but you can’t do this:
                    Quote: atalef
                    And no one will sell it to you, and even if they really ask.
                    (Well, another laziness to look for, but is)
                    How much diarrhea ambition.
                    But you all just forgot that our country, deliberately spread rot (crammed into a dead end), and our scum and external bastards, years 30, while the rest developed rapidly (for cheap that bought from us for beads), we led to a state serving pipe staff (oil, gas)
                    ---something like that
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 6 September 2015 16: 28 New
                      +1
                      Quote: opus
                      Repeat: as a friend, a Jew and a woman and a woman and children of both sexes.

                      Classics of the genre: "I am not anti-Semite, I even have friends Jews"In Hebrew, it sounds like this:"חברי הטובים ביותר הם יהודים". And then comes the standard set of accusations of Jews for all sins. I did not read your opus. You disappointed me. sad
                      1. opus
                        opus 7 September 2015 15: 43 New
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Classics of the genre: "I am not anti-Semite, I even have Jewish friends."

                        -I really have, without any "even"
                        -I'm really not anti-Semitic
                        Quote: Professor
                        And then comes the standard set of accusations of Jews for all sins.

                        and then comes the standard receiver of all the Semites.
                        Not essentially, but a label "classic of the genre"
                        Quote: Professor
                        I didn’t read your opus. you disappointed me

                        -performance
                        - we have free "eye consumption" for you, read it or not
            2. Professor
              Professor 6 September 2015 06: 48 New
              +3
              Quote: opus
              And the Israel Defense Forces use (until now) Soviet / Russian weapons and weapons.

              For example?
              1. opus
                opus 6 September 2015 13: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                For example?


                - a significant number of captured Soviet guns of the caliber 130 and 122 mm, Wiki writes: more than 100 T-55, more than 100 T-62 (true on 2010)
                -Prince - a former Israeli who served in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), one of the leading instructors, training fighters and battalion commanders like the Dnieper and Donbass: writes that he is familiar and used: rifle, ATGM, mines, etc.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 6 September 2015 13: 50 New
                  +3
                  Quote: opus
                  -Prince - a former Israeli who served in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), one of the leading instructors, training fighters and battalion commanders like the Dnieper and Donbass: writes that he is familiar and used: rifle, ATGM, mines, etc.

                  In addition to RPG and Kalash (I didn’t use it myself, I saw it in Chayette) and the chassis of the tanks, I didn’t see anything else.
                  Neither mines nor ATGMs (all the more) nothing else.
                  can anyone else see?
                  1. anokem
                    anokem 6 September 2015 15: 14 New
                    +1
                    I saw RMB & RPD in Golani reconnaissance
                    1. Hello
                      Hello 6 September 2015 16: 42 New
                      0
                      Quote: anokem
                      I saw RMB & RPD in Golani reconnaissance

                      Are you sure? I finished my service in 2008 and there wasn’t such a thing belay
                      1. anokem
                        anokem 7 September 2015 23: 42 New
                        -1
                        In 2001, in their weapons (non-Russian)
                  2. Professor
                    Professor 6 September 2015 16: 40 New
                    +2
                    Quote: atalef
                    Neither mines nor ATGMs (all the more) nothing else. can anyone else see?

                    It's hard to see what is not. There are no Soviet captured weapons in service in the IDF, there are no Soviet captured tanks, cars, mines, ATGMs and other items. There is none of this.
                2. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 6 September 2015 14: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: opus
                  The prince is a former Israeli who served in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), one of the leading instructors who train fighters and battalion commanders like the Dnieper and Donbass:

                  Yes, the so-called instructor Prince from Israel is a trifle it has long been clear that the Israeli regime and the Nazis in Ukraine (as well as terrorists in Syria) are one, and it is controlled from Washington and Tel Aviv.
                  4 Ukrainian ministers and 24 deputies of the Verkhovna Rada will come to Israel on Rosh Hashanah
                  On the eve of Rosh Hashanah, a large delegation of Ukrainian politicians and businessmen arrives in Israel on a five-day visit, a delegation that includes more than 40 people, including four ministers, 24 deputies of the Verkhovna Rada, as well as public leaders and representatives of the business elite of Ukraine.
                  http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2015/09/06/-ministra-i--deputata-verhovnoy
                  -radi-priedut-v-izrail-na-rosh-hashana /
            3. Dan4eG
              Dan4eG 6 September 2015 23: 30 New
              +1
              And the Israel Defense Forces use (until now) Soviet / Russian weapons and weapons.

              Well, all of you caught us! And here is an example
              1. opus
                opus 7 September 2015 15: 45 New
                0
                Quote: Dan4eG
                Well, all of you caught us!

                not me but wiki.
                it's written:
                Quote: opus
                Wiki writes


                и
                Quote: opus
                -Prince - Former Israeli

                there and complain.
          2. shans2
            shans2 5 September 2015 21: 25 New
            0
            in turn, we are standing behind the purchase of a rusty dome, BGG
            1. atalef
              atalef 5 September 2015 22: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: shans2
              in turn, we are standing behind the purchase of a rusty dome, BGG

              And no one will sell it to you, and even if they really ask.
              Russia generally wants to buy a lot of things in Israel (especially advanced UAVs), but alas ..
              Copy old ones for now hi
              In April 2009, Russia acquired 12 drones from Israel Bird-Eye 400, I-View MK150 and Searcher Mk II totaling $ 53 million. Later, a second contract was signed for the supply of 36 Israeli UAVs in the amount of $ 100 million, and in April 2010 it became known about the purchase of another 15 vehicles from Israel. In addition, Russia intends to create a joint production of drones with the IAI. This deal is valued at $ 300 million.

              Bird-Eye 400-Developed by the Israeli company IAI. The first flight made in 2003 g
              I-View MK150- I-View MK150 - a tactical UAV complex. Designed by the Israeli company IAI. The first flight made in 2002 g
              Searcher Mk II - “Searcher Mk II” was first introduced to the public at the Singapore Air Show in February 1998 and was put into service in Israel in June 1998 year.
              hi
              1. TOR2
                TOR2 6 September 2015 00: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                Russia generally wants to buy a lot of things in Israel (especially advanced UAVs), but alas ..

                Yeah, he wants ... someone wants to bring out a bobla, that's more precisely am
          3. Ajent cho
            Ajent cho 5 September 2015 22: 41 New
            0
            Russia buys weapons from Israel, and non-turnover
            Well, to be completely objective, we can compare the nomenclature of weapons produced by Russia and Israel.
            Yes, I understand that for absolute objectivity, our countries should be comparable in area and population.
          4. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 6 September 2015 01: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Russia buys weapons from Israel, and non-turnover

            Weapons and components are two different things, as they say in Odessa. But time passes, and we move on to our elemental base. And what we can not do yet - we buy in the east. Everyone needs money, not just God's chosen ones.
            So, more accurately express your thoughts, dear bat!
    7. Skif83
      Skif83 5 September 2015 11: 44 New
      +3
      Well, they don’t think so.
      This is how air defense works against the cunningly wise ... well-chosen:
    8. gregor6549
      gregor6549 5 September 2015 16: 49 New
      0
      I would not say so categorically and that's why.
      С300 at the beginning of 90х was sold by Russia through Belarus to the USA. And those, I believe generously, shared their knowledge with Israel. This is the time.
      Secondly, C300 as part of Iranian air defense and C300 as part of Russian air defense are two big differences. I dare to assert this as one of the developers of the Polyana D4 ASUV which was designed specifically for centralized control of the air defense brigade of the SV equipped with, among other S300 air defense systems.
      And thirdly, we must not forget that Israel counts its citizens and military especially by the piece and will not spare any means to equip its aircraft with the means of countering the 300. And these funds can be very different and it is not necessary for Israeli planes to fly into the C300 strike zone to cover them. Moreover, if necessary, the United States will join with its Axes, intelligence. satellites and other sickly arsenal. Indeed, unlike the vigorous C300 reactors, you cannot hide underground, they need to fight. But detecting C300 on the surface and determining its coordinates is not such a difficult task. Nevertheless, the C300 target is quite large and, besides, emitting very powerful and very characteristic sounding signals into space.
      1. shans2
        shans2 5 September 2015 21: 28 New
        +1
        you would even compare with-300 production of the early 80s on analog equipment), each modification changes its parameters.
  2. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 5 September 2015 10: 14 New
    +8
    And if the S-300 will work in conjunction with electronic warfare? Will the new equipment help you?
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 5 September 2015 10: 21 New
      +9
      Quote: SRC P-15
      And if the S-300 will work in conjunction with electronic warfare?

      Well, as a rule, in this tandem there will be Armor, Thor, and Tunguska.
      1. O100 3.14 Zdol
        O100 3.14 Zdol 5 September 2015 10: 25 New
        -1
        Quote: Sirocco
        Quote: SRC P-15
        And if the S-300 will work in conjunction with electronic warfare?

        Well, as a rule, in this tandem there will be Armor, Thor, and Tunguska.

        I apologize, but at whose expense are you trying to arrange this "banquet"?
        Deliveries on credit with the subsequent write-off? winked

        Thank you all, the account will be deleted soon, but to all the "old people" IN greetings from the "trainer" drinks
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 5 September 2015 10: 32 New
          +5
          Quote: O100 3.14 health
          I apologize, but at whose expense are you trying to arrange this "banquet"?
          Deliveries on credit with the subsequent write-off?

          Are you so naive, or pretending to be? Do you know the expression that it is better to defend your borders outside your state? Fire extinguish a neighbor you will not help? Or take money after help?
          Well, the last thing about your naivety, is Iran not solvent?
          1. anokem
            anokem 5 September 2015 12: 17 New
            +7
            This neighbor of Russia is not a friend, and with the next outbreak of Muslim unrest in Russia, he will gladly spread the Shiite Islamic revolution in Russia under the guise of an Iranian nuclear umbrella. Therefore, I do not think that Iran’s possession of a vigorous bomb is in Russia's interests
            1. Minsk
              Minsk 5 September 2015 12: 59 New
              +5
              For that, the Jews are such friends that the brothers are right. Such friends for Kui and the museum.
              1. anokem
                anokem 5 September 2015 13: 11 New
                +7
                We are not friends of Russia, but not enemies. Of all Western countries, we are not the only ones to condemn the occupation (liberation) of Crimea
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 5 September 2015 14: 12 New
                  +4
                  Quote: anokem
                  We are not friends of Russia, but not enemies

                  So, former compatriots drinks
                  Yes, and do not belong to the West. I would even enlarge - hidden allies love
                2. Days
                  Days 5 September 2015 14: 48 New
                  +3
                  Quote: anokem
                  We are not friends of Russia, but not enemies. Of all Western countries, we are not the only ones to condemn the occupation (liberation) of Crimea

                  Yeah, apart from the fact that Israel has the status of a major ally outside of NATO. And not a member of NATO just because Israel has territorial disputes (the entire territory is controversial).
                3. Ajent cho
                  Ajent cho 5 September 2015 15: 07 New
                  0
                  occupation (liberation)
                  You already decide for yourself there. And it looks like a wagging ass (tail).
                  1. anokem
                    anokem 5 September 2015 16: 14 New
                    +1
                    We decided for ourselves. The main lesson of the events in Ukraine is that a country (any) in its defense can rely only on itself. Ukraine did not have an army, and Ukraine paid for it. In world politics, wolfish law offends the weak. The green men and the referendum were not held in Alaska, but in the Crimea. Because in America there is an army, but not in Ukraine. Therefore, for Israel, the lesson of what happened is that we were once again convinced that in the matter of our defense we have only 3 allies: the army, aviation and navy
                    1. Ajent cho
                      Ajent cho 5 September 2015 18: 14 New
                      +4
                      Do you think that the green men influenced the results of the referendum?
                      For more than a year, Crimea has been calm and dear because the locals are under the cap of Moscow?
                      Ukraine did not have an army ??? !!!
                      Is Ukraine currently not under external control?

                      As you understand, these were rhetorical questions. We agree on one thing - we have only 3 allies: the army, aviation and navy. But now, I wonder how long Israel will last without outside help?
                      And you can not worry about Ukraine - it will completely repeat the path of Russia in the 90s, lose a certain amount of land and become a part of the Russian world.
                      1. anokem
                        anokem 5 September 2015 19: 55 New
                        +1
                        I believe that in the border regions of the Far East, the majority of the population are Chinese, and if a referendum were held there, the majority would certainly vote for joining China and the "Chinese world." This does not happen because Russia has an army. Similarly, if Ukraine had an army, there would be no referendum in Crimea. This world is cruel, the weak are offended
                      2. shans2
                        shans2 5 September 2015 21: 33 New
                        -1
                        you don’t tell us those tales from the tattered Israel about the Far East, populated by the Chinese., otherwise I’ll think that you are a wide Jewish poppies, only they carry such nonsense, and in Siberia and the Far East they laugh at the wretched ...
                      3. Ajent cho
                        Ajent cho 5 September 2015 22: 36 New
                        +2
                        in the border areas of the Far East, the majority of the population are Chinese
                        Please specify: are these Chinese citizens of the Russian Federation?
                        I propose not to tell each other the situation in foreign countries - nothing good will come of it. Unless, of course, you specifically discredit Russia in the eyes of the rest. Then - yes) Tell us how we live here, how poor Crimeans suffer without Ukraine, Siberians want to separate, and the Far East is bent under the influx of Chinese)
                  2. opus
                    opus 6 September 2015 12: 49 New
                    -1
                    Quote: anokem
                    The main lesson of the events in Ukraine is that the country (any)

                    -You might think that there was no Libya (2 times), Iraq (2 times), Afghanistan?
                    "O my Yahweh" does the most ancient chosen people not know history?
                    And how is it after the United States took Texas from Mexico .. the Jews did not learn this
                    Quote: anokem
                    Main lesson
                    ?

                    -A main lesson (it seems to me): do not go crazy, do not skip days, do not shout ...
                    and there would be no Crimea and events


                    Quote: anokem
                    Ukraine did not have an army, and Ukraine paid for it.

                    Ukraine had a SECOND ARMY IN EUROPE, both in number and in saturation

                    Quote: anokem
                    Green men and the referendum did not hold in Alaska

                    Take a trip to Crimea, you’re not far away, talk, look, then bring rubbish
                    "green men" from the United States how many decades have held referendums, elections: Panama, Colombia, the Balkans, Iraq, Afghanistan and so on.
                    And you "will not notice"
                    Quote: anokem
                    only 3 allies: army, aviation and navy

                    and the United States, as well as Jewish Jews, of whom in the United States exactly the same (or more) as in Israel ...

                    You are a direct quote.
                    Alexander 3 ("peacemaker")



                    Russia has no friends. They are afraid of our vastness. We have only two reliable friends: the Russian army and the Russian fleet
                    !

                    Threat aviation then was not
              2. opus
                opus 6 September 2015 12: 39 New
                0
                Quote: anokem
                . Of all Western countries, we are not the only ones to condemn the occupation (liberation) of Crimea

                1. Well, Israel is not a country of the "West", which is what you really are (and Turkey is not a "West", but that country has at least a piece of zemlyatse in Europe)
                And not only the "sanctions are not joined"
                “For now, the Israeli government has decided not to join countries that have recognized Kosovo’s independence.”
                2.About "friends / enemies" ...
                stumbling block in the Arabs.
                Well, you know when it all started, and why.
                Here is my shkolotnoe opinion, it would be better if the USSR remained neutral in those messes.
                No sense, only the debts of the Russian Federation forgave everyone
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 6 September 2015 01: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: anokem
            Therefore, I do not think that Iran’s possession of a vigorous bomb is in Russia's interests

            We are generally in favor of a nuclear weapons non-proliferation regime. But not allowing Iran to have its own peace program under the control of the IAEA is a whim of yours.
            But you have it. So why can't others?
            You are afraid that you will be destroyed - learn to live in peace with your neighbors, follow UNGA resolution No. 181 of November 29, 1947. And - peace to your home!
          3. opus
            opus 6 September 2015 12: 35 New
            0
            Quote: anokem
            Therefore, I do not think that Iran’s possession of a vigorous bomb is in Russia's interests

            In Russian interests, of course, we need Iran, at hand, with nuclear weapons.
            But Israel with nuclear weapons is also not needed.
        2. Mister22408
          Mister22408 5 September 2015 12: 20 New
          +3
          Yes, yes old songs. Paul Africa is our neighbors, southeast Asia across three borders. But how sweet and some money to write off!
      2. Minsk
        Minsk 5 September 2015 12: 57 New
        -3
        What would Israel suck and you can on credit.
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 September 2015 22: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Minsk
          What would Israel suck and you can on credit.

          Well, as long as someone sucks, someone smokes bamboo, but the fact
          Since 2000, Russia has forgiven its partners more than $ 140 billion.

          Come on credit, and see who ---- nap. laughing
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 5 September 2015 12: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: Sirocco
      Well, as a rule, in this tandem there will be Armor, Thor, and Tunguska.

      Ideally, at least one Carapace should be part of the division as a cover platoon (right now one Carapace is equipped with a regiment) and the main target (visual observation point) should be armed Verbaflaxseed. And do not care for the most perfect Pepelats. Certainly pass when the cartridges run out and the adversary will have something to fly.
    3. slavaisrael
      slavaisrael 5 September 2015 15: 57 New
      -1
      And all this is there now?
  3. atalef
    atalef 5 September 2015 22: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: SRC P-15
    And if the S-300 will work in conjunction with electronic warfare?

    Right --- more EW good
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 5 September 2015 10: 14 New
    +11
    "On August 21, an Israeli fighter was shot down by the Syrian army air defense system in the province of Kuneitra"

    The first time I've heard. request
  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 5 September 2015 10: 15 New
    +11
    Yes, your upgrades will not help, they will still bring you down if there is a need. Let them not attack themselves and would use less language.
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 5 September 2015 10: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: vovanpain
      Yes, your upgrades will not help, they will still bring down if there is a need.

      Well, if not from the first salvo, from the second-100%!
  • dr.star75
    dr.star75 5 September 2015 10: 15 New
    +7
    Israeli military doctrine seems to be defensive. What did they forget in Iran? Well, don't fly there.
  • Professor
    Professor 5 September 2015 10: 16 New
    -5
    The resource recalls that “on August X, an Israeli fighter was shot down by the Syrian army’s air defense system in Quneitra province.”

    Two fighters, three bombers, 5 helicopters and one aircraft carrier. wassat
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 5 September 2015 10: 22 New
      +7
      And a cigarette case! Also 3. Everything is acquired by overwork! laughing
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 5 September 2015 10: 26 New
      +6
      Pan Professor, I welcome you, you are again in your repertoire.)))))
      Army Isil, The black baron
      They are preparing the royal throne for us again.
      But from the taiga to the British seas
      The Israeli army is stronger than ever.
      Well, give us a hot fantasy, to defeat what is basically impossible to destroy laughing
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 5 September 2015 10: 28 New
        +3
        Well no. All the same, the RED ARMY is all stronger!
    3. O100 3.14 Zdol
      O100 3.14 Zdol 5 September 2015 10: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Professor
      The resource recalls that “on August X, an Israeli fighter was shot down by the Syrian army’s air defense system in Quneitra province.”

      Two fighters, three bombers, 5 helicopters and one aircraft carrier. wassat

      We just can’t look in the mirror in search of logs in the eye wassat
      As we post Israeli losses in the same way on Tsensori, our Almaty from Berdana knock out wassat
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 5 September 2015 10: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: O100 3.14 health
        As we post Israeli losses in the same way on Tsensori, our Almaty from Berdana knock out

        Two disciples brought an adulterous woman to Jesus, and said that according to the covenant of Moses for this it was necessary to stone her, to which Jesus said: Who is sinless here, let him first throw a stone at her.

        We are all a little sinful and I am no exception. And you do not indulge in hats? laughing
        Well, some post Israel’s losses to annoy colleagues from the promised land. I especially like their impenetrability and indestructibility. Against any scrap, you can find a trick. And usually find. But not in the case of Israeli technology. They are God-chosen, and the technique is the same.
        1. O100 3.14 Zdol
          O100 3.14 Zdol 5 September 2015 11: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Sirocco
          Quote: O100 3.14 health
          How do we post Israeli hi losses also on Tsensori our Almaty from Berdana beat

          Two disciples brought an adulterous woman to Jesus, and said that according to the covenant of Moses for this it was necessary to stone her, to which Jesus said: Who is sinless here, let him first throw a stone at her.

          We are all a little sinful and I am no exception. And you do not indulge in hats? laughing
          Well, some post Israel’s losses to annoy colleagues from the promised land. I especially like their impenetrability and indestructibility. Against any scrap, you can find a trick. And usually find. But not in the case of Israeli technology. They are God-chosen, and the technique is the same.


          Reread your post hi

          Now I’ll answer: for me they are not God's chosen ones, but you seem to envy them ... Therefore, they are mono-pessual to me, and you envy them and therefore you are looking for how to squeeze them hi
          1. anokem
            anokem 5 September 2015 12: 21 New
            +3
            This is the right approach. As the Queen of Denmark said: “we do not have anti-Semitism, because we do not consider Jews smarter than ourselves”
    4. BilliBoms09
      BilliBoms09 5 September 2015 11: 38 New
      +8
      There was an article on VO yesterday
      Global Firepower presented an updated ranking of the armies of the world
      So there the Israeli army, in the ranking, was put in 11th place, below the countries that had not fought for 70 years and were under the protection of the United States: Japan, Germany and South Korea, so in the comments only one Israeli was indignant. The rest did not notice, but about the S-300 and F-16I they were aroused like a red rag by the bull.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 September 2015 10: 16 New
    +1
    advanced surface-to-air missile defense system

    And how much time will it take? In the meantime, let the Israeli pilots sweep in one place.
    1. oreax
      oreax 5 September 2015 10: 39 New
      -10
      As it was in the media.
      Electronic missile defense is done in half a year.
      And this system is well-known, it means already developed.
      Hence the losses for Russia.
      Who will buy weapons that do not work?
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 5 September 2015 10: 43 New
        +9
        Israel. f-35 for example.
      2. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 5 September 2015 10: 56 New
        +13
        For oreax

        Hence the losses for Russia.

        You are somehow strangely reasoning. Convert aircraft to Israel, and the losses of Russia?
        1. anokem
          anokem 5 September 2015 13: 15 New
          -2
          Russia’s image losses will be after the S-300 doesn’t knock anyone, as a result of rumors that "unskilled Iranian personnel could not use the unique and unparalleled equipment in the world" will not help in the marketing of Russian air defense systems
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 5 September 2015 14: 23 New
            +3
            Quote: anokem
            Russia's image losses will be after the S-300 will not knock anyone

            Come on. Where there is the S-300, world democracy follows a different path - roses, cookies and short stories, how they will heal in a year.
            Now, as a Poshnik, a Jew. Squeezing the S-300 division is easy, but very expensive. Just 20 axes and one wing
            1. slavaisrael
              slavaisrael 5 September 2015 16: 10 New
              -3
              This is according to Russian standards. Who generally promised that we would attack these same batteries in the forehead. We have already stolen the radar once — maybe we can just land on these very batteries and fight them with their help.
              1. TOR2
                TOR2 6 September 2015 01: 01 New
                +1
                Quote: slavaisrael
                maybe we will just drop an assault

                Landing troops
                https://youtu.be/iOaAnqSuivM?t=24
            2. anokem
              anokem 5 September 2015 19: 58 New
              -1
              Wait and see ... The last time the Soviet air defense system operated successfully in 1973, 102 of our aircraft were shot down
              1. opus
                opus 6 September 2015 13: 10 New
                0
                Quote: anokem
                The last time the Soviet air defense system was operating successfully in the 1973 year

                the last time the Soviet / Russian) air defense system successfully operated during the Balkan War of 1999 of the year:

                Losses (irretrievable) of NATO amounted to 128 aircraft, 14 helicopters, 60 unmanned aerial vehicles and at least 454 cruise missiles.

                against 75 aircraft (only 6 of them in air battles, all - MiG-29), the rest at airfields and air defense losses (SAM)

                S-125M - 250-I SAMs lost 7 divisions of this system from 10 available. The 450th ZRP lost 3 from the 4 divisions. The Cub-M air defense missile system of NATO was able to completely disable no more than 3 of their divisions
                Total anti-aircraft missile defense air defense FRY lost 28 man killed (nine from the 250th brigade and 19 from the Kub-M regiments)

                ACCEPT THIS OUTSTANDING RESULT, for a country with a population of 10 659 979 people, against the whole "Civilized" and "very" (Albania, all sorts) world:
                400 with more than millions of Europe and 310 with more than millions of US people.
                Fleet, space grouping, high technology, from all sides, step-by-step accessibility in communications and logistics (these are not Vietnam in the new beaver, through the Adriatic of NATO airfields)

                During the operation, NATO aviation fired at least 1106 anti-radar missiles (PRR) - 1100 AGM-88 HARM (453 with F-16CJ, 296 with EA-6В, 236 from German Tornado ECR and 115 from Italian Tornado ECR) and six ALARM Tornado)
                It is known that from HARM missiles fired by American aircraft, 389 was fired at elements of the Kub-M air defense system and 208 at S-125M air defense systems. The positions of both of these types of air defense systems and air defense systems of the FRY were also actively affected by other types of high-precision munitions, including missile systems. Until the end of the campaign for SEAD tasks regularly used about 10% of all sorties per day.


                Ground radars ONLY one of the Yugoslav 126-th brigade of air surveillance, warning and guidance during the fighting were hits by 15 KR, 13 UR, 29 PRR and 98 bombs.

                Quote: Tusv
                Crushing the C-300 division is easy, but very expensive. Just 20 axes and one wing

                Ha ha ha (look above, there’s not even C-300 shoes)
                Cranberries are very easy to suppress with a tab in a basin, you just need to cover your eyes, so that it would not pinch

                Cool down your MOSSK, otherwise you read the Israeli newspapers


                =========================================
                Neither Israel achieved such success (he can only dream of it, neither England 2MB nor Hitler Germany)
                1. Revolver
                  Revolver 6 September 2015 22: 49 New
                  0
                  Quote: opus
                  the last time the Soviet / Russian) air defense system successfully operated during the Balkan War of 1999 of the year:

                  the last time the Soviet / Russian air defense system successfully operated during the 8/8/8 war. Soviet air defense systems, delivered to Georgia by Banderstadt, and equipped with specialists from the Kho-Slak (i.e., Soviet school) field, ruffled the Russian Air Force, even the TU-22M strategist failed. Such here, supposedly, "Slav brothers". True, in the end, this Mishiko did not help much, I had to get drunk on ties.
                  1. opus
                    opus 7 September 2015 15: 39 New
                    0
                    Quote: Nagan
                    the last time the Soviet / Russian air defense system successfully operated during the 8 / 8 / 8 war.

                    I did not specifically take this case:
                    - “Israeli partners” will say = it doesn’t count: the Soviet is against the Soviet, the Russian Air Force pilots are not ice (compared to the Israeli ones), we are quilted
                    - the scale is not the same, agree
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 5 September 2015 16: 54 New
            -2
            This has already happened with the Carapace in Syria.
      3. Sirocco
        Sirocco 5 September 2015 10: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: oreax

        Who will buy weapons that do not work?

        How is the Iron Dome working, efficiently, or how?
        And it’s somehow quiet about him, or he doesn’t work, and therefore is not interesting. Usually what is in the language is popular and effective. After all, the S-300 has many modifications, try to pick up a key for each?
        1. Professor
          Professor 5 September 2015 11: 00 New
          -4
          Quote: Sirocco
          And it’s somehow quiet about him, or he doesn’t work, and therefore is not interesting.

          Quiet where? You? So news from Ukraine overshadowed everything. LCD missiles are stamped day and night. It will soon be war and it will come in handy.
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 5 September 2015 11: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Quiet where? You? So news from Ukraine overshadowed everything.

            And on your earth, what news, please enlighten us, otherwise your compatriot came to visit, and says that there is an anti-Russian propaganda in Israel, right? Judging by his behavior, and moralizing the truth. I'm afraid for him.))))))))
            1. Professor
              Professor 5 September 2015 11: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: Sirocco
              And on your earth, what news, please enlighten us, otherwise your compatriot came to visit, and says that there is an anti-Russian propaganda in Israel, right? Judging by his behavior, and moralizing the truth. I'm afraid for him.))))))))

              Israeli news does not recall Russia at all. Here is the most popular local portal for you to review:

              http://www.ynet.co.il/home/0,7340,L-8,00.html

              http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3083,00.html

              Quote: dr.star75
              Dear Professor, Well, you don’t feel that a global war in the Middle East will affect all players. And Israel is already surrounded, plus if the sea blockade is added, it won’t last long.

              The war will affect everyone, including you, but there will be no naval blockade. There is no one to organize it.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 5 September 2015 11: 23 New
                +2
                I agree. The war will affect me specifically, so I'm getting ready. But Israel ... and if not a blockade, but how would the comrades stop helping ... then how?
              2. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 5 September 2015 16: 01 New
                +4
                Quote: Professor
                The war will affect everyone including you

                And why do the Persians have a tooth on Israel, for which they are going to destroy you, or is it their national custom of this?
                1. Professor
                  Professor 5 September 2015 17: 30 New
                  0
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  And why do the Persians have a tooth on Israel, for which they are going to destroy you, or is it their national custom of this?

                  Inferiority complex.
                  1. Hello
                    Hello 5 September 2015 20: 03 New
                    +1
                    Rather, an attempt to justify the Islamic revolution, because the Shah was friends with Israel. Otherwise, how to explain to people why they did not live better. Hence all the nonsense about the small and large Satan hi
                  2. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 6 September 2015 02: 04 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    Inferiority complex.

                    Oleg! Sumerian civilization was already developed at a time when Semitic tribes wandered around the plains of the BV in search of their place under the sun!
                    So, only * cosmopolitan rootless * from the banks of the Potomac can envy you!
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 6 September 2015 07: 13 New
                      +3
                      Quote: BoA KAA
                      Oleg! Sumerian civilization was already developed at a time when Semitic tribes wandered around the plains of the BV in search of their place under the sun!

                      And what remains of it from that civilization? Look at modern Iran. On his "culture". Obscurantism. They have more than 10 million adults are elementary illiterate.

                      Quote: BoA KAA
                      So, only * cosmopolitan rootless * from the banks of the Potomac can envy you!

                      I find no other explanation for the inadequate behavior of the Persians.
                      1. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 6 September 2015 09: 41 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        I find no other explanation for the inadequate behavior of the Persians.

                        Well, at least in this my views coincided with you! fellow
              3. opus
                opus 6 September 2015 13: 27 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                The Israeli news does not recall Russia at all.


                Communication FORUM in DAVOS Organizing Committee Public.ru Measures Mentioned 177 Countries in the media of 23 countriesrepresenting various continents (top 10)

                Either the Israeli media are not included in the media of 23 countries, or you confuse something (or read the wrong thing behind the “ObolonI bottle”)

                -Zvi Magen, head of the Russian Studies Department at the Institute for National Security Studies at Tel Aviv University. / He is regularly quoted and interviewed by the Israeli media /


                - "On September 17 in Yekaterinburg, the trial of the teacher of the Or-Avner Jewish gymnasium Semyon Tykman should resume."

                - "Eldar Ryazanov is again in intensive care"

                - "The Kremlin strengthens ties with opponents of Bashar al-Assad"

                - "Russian Blumenkrants won the world championship on an imaginary guitar"
                and of course:

                belay
          2. dr.star75
            dr.star75 5 September 2015 11: 10 New
            +1
            Dear Professor, Well, you don’t feel that a global war in the Middle East will affect all players. And Israel is already surrounded, plus if the sea blockade is added, it won’t last long.
            1. rotmistr60
              rotmistr60 5 September 2015 11: 31 New
              +6
              Dear dr.star75, you should not ask the "professor" with such a question. You will not catch him with anything. He sometimes ignores even the most painful topic for the Jews, in order to somehow infringe on Russia. But he does not always succeed, because he and the Jew are not natural. And these are even worse than the Semites.
              1. rotmistr60
                rotmistr60 5 September 2015 12: 10 New
                +1
                What "professor" really pierces the eyes? you can minus until the end of time. It’s only for me to be happy - to such traitors as you indicate your place.
                1. anokem
                  anokem 5 September 2015 12: 33 New
                  +3
                  rotmistr60 (2) Today, 12:10 ↑ New
                  What "professor" really pierces the eyes? you can minus until the end of time. It’s only for me to be happy - to such traitors as you indicate your place.


                  And who did the professor pass on?
                  1. rotmistr60
                    rotmistr60 5 September 2015 12: 55 New
                    0
                    By "professor" is meant your whole brotherhood, which began to flee the USSR back in the 70s (though the smartest part later returned). Well, I’m not talking about subsequent years.
                    1. dr.star75
                      dr.star75 5 September 2015 13: 01 New
                      -5
                      It is useless to explain to them. Let them run ... bye ...
                    2. slavaisrael
                      slavaisrael 5 September 2015 16: 13 New
                      +3
                      You won’t understand - if the smart ones themselves returned, then why don’t you see the Jews?
                    3. anokem
                      anokem 5 September 2015 16: 46 New
                      +5
                      Of those whom I know, losers returned who did not split up anything in Israel. True, they did not achieve anything in Russia upon return. Well, traitors can not be considered in any way. From early childhood I heard that I’m a ... face and that I cleaned my Israel. Therefore, when the opportunity presented itself, I cleaned up my Israel. Therefore, I do not think that I betrayed anyone.
                      1. Tusv
                        Tusv 5 September 2015 17: 11 New
                        +3
                        Quote: anokem
                        From early childhood I heard that I’m a ... face and that I cleaned my Israel.

                        Well, I’m also a vska ... face, but something they don’t send me from their country to Israel. Maybe my dad is Russian? or maybe my grandfathers were the first Russian diplomats? Or I love my Country and she reciprocates to me
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 5 September 2015 17: 40 New
                        0
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Well, I’m also a vska ... face, but something they don’t send me from their country to Israel. Maybe my dad is Russian? or maybe my grandfathers were the first Russian diplomats? Or I love my Country and she reciprocates to me

                        Or just you do not position yourself as a Jew?
                        You call yourself Russian.
                        Or was it written in your passport (now, as far as I know, they do not write nationality) - a Jew?
                        Well, honestly wink
                      3. Tusv
                        Tusv 5 September 2015 17: 55 New
                        +2
                        Quote: atalef
                        Or just you do not position yourself as a Jew?
                        You call yourself Russian.
                        Or it was written in your passport (now, as far as I know, they do not write nationality) - a Jew

                        I act like a Russian. I am not afraid to position myself as a Jewish nationality. I speak openly. But someone kept quiet in a rag and quietly and most importantly did not noticeably evacuate to the promised land - there was only a bunch left. And they noticed you when you showed up here.
                        But what kind of Jews are you with the glory of Israel? Even for eurestan, parasites.
                        I feel sorry for you
                      4. atalef
                        atalef 5 September 2015 18: 18 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Tusv
                        I act like a Russian.

                        that you declare
                        1. that the Jews (in your opinion) behave differently
                        2. that you are Russian, so what do you have to do with the Jews?
                        Quote: Tusv
                        .And then someone was silent in a rag and quietly and most importantly not noticeably evacuated to the promised land

                        it’s very easy to keep quiet in a rag when at school in the magazine on the last page it is written - Jew
                        in the passport - a Jew
                        who keeps quiet in a rag - it's you
                        Quote: Tusv
                        and most importantly not noticeably evacuated to the promised land

                        not noticeable - how is it?
                        Quote: Tusv
                        . And they noticed you when you showed up here

                        and you were noticed when you showed up, the only difference is that they noticed me 3 years earlier than you laughing
                        Quote: Tusv
                        But what kind of Jews are you with the glory of Israel?

                        mother speak jewish wink

                        Quote: Tusv
                        Even for eurestan, parasites.
                        I feel sorry for you

                        belay
                        head baked?
                      5. Tusv
                        Tusv 5 September 2015 18: 37 New
                        0
                        Well, what to explain to you. Mom from heaven will not forgive two things. If I cannot defend the Motherland even three times, if my children do not receive a Higher education, and they are no longer Jews, they have a Russian Mom.
                        You somehow oshyon fiigovo explained. What is the difference between two people of the same nationality.
                      6. anokem
                        anokem 5 September 2015 23: 17 New
                        +1
                        Defend your homeland? Well, if you are a Jew, then your homeland is Israel, welcome. Only if you are older than 30, then they will not call you already
            2. opus
              opus 7 September 2015 16: 04 New
              0
              Quote: anokem
              Of those whom I know, losers returned who did not split up anything in Israel. True, they did not achieve anything in Russia upon return.

              in-in.
              I wrote:


              TYPICAL REACTION OF JEWISH (German, American, etc.) MIGER is a diagnosis (medical)

              Quote: anokem
              Therefore, when the opportunity presented itself, I cleaned up my Israel.


              I do not quite understand, if you have fulfilled the dream of childhood, life and you are on the promised land ...
              WHAT AND WHO DO YOU TRY TO PROVE, how much more on this "patriotic" site?
              I will assume:
              1. Are you bored there?
              2. Do the locals not listen to you there, or consider people a scoundrel, not a yacht?
              3. Are you trying to teach vata how to live and explain to her that she is poor and backward?
              4. Are you trying to prove to yourself and others that your choice was right and that "life was not in vain"?
      4. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 5 September 2015 13: 02 New
        0
        So, the Jews tightened their reserves, which they focused only on cons, without their comments (only certain 2-4 Jews write).
    2. Krasmash
      Krasmash 5 September 2015 12: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      because he and the Jew are not natural.

      laughing laughing laughing. You mean not purebred.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 5 September 2015 12: 27 New
        0
        Even the devil’s leg will break at their expense. Everything is decided on the amount of benefit.
        1. Krasmash
          Krasmash 5 September 2015 12: 45 New
          0
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Even the devil’s leg will break at their expense.

          Yes, no, it won’t break. It’s enough to see the ruling elite of the country. For puppets like Netanyahu, they stuck stormed the real taxis. But simple “Russians” have to be executors of orders of galactic fellow tribesmen. crying
        2. padded jacket
          padded jacket 5 September 2015 18: 34 New
          +8
          Quote: atalef

          it’s very easy to keep quiet in a rag when at school in the magazine on the last page it is written - Jew
          in the passport - a Jew

          Yes, atalef seeing you at school and in life greatly "offended" that you even left and now you pour "dirt" on your former fellow countrymen from a safe distance (although it’s just wonderful to leave you like us) poor "clogged man" to you I’m directly sorry.
          Yes, and the state pays you an allowance as an orthodox and what to hide for the troll lol
      2. Minsk
        Minsk 5 September 2015 13: 03 New
        +2
        Mudblood.
        1. Krasmash
          Krasmash 5 September 2015 13: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Minsk
          Mudblood.

          It’s like in that fairy tale about a wizard kid with a scar on his lobeshnik. wassat
    3. dr.star75
      dr.star75 5 September 2015 12: 24 New
      +1
      Yes, I’m already starting to come to the conclusion that the professor is strong only in one area, and in others he is only a chant. Sorry. I'm watching the news with Y. Kedmi. Perhaps he can be accused of Kremlin propaganda. Nevertheless, at least you can listen to him.
  • slavaisrael
    slavaisrael 5 September 2015 16: 11 New
    +2
    I’m embarrassed to ask, and who will organize this very sea blockade? And under what sauce?
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 5 September 2015 15: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    It will soon be war and it will come in handy.

    So gin friends from the United States released.
    Quote: Professor
    LCD missiles are stamped day and night.

    A peaceful tractor would be better.
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  • mvg
    mvg 5 September 2015 17: 40 New
    0
    Who is the war with?
  • shans2
    shans2 5 September 2015 21: 41 New
    -3
    what a pity that he catches only miserable rackets, but he doesn’t catch such rackets)
  • slavaisrael
    slavaisrael 5 September 2015 16: 06 New
    +3
    Do you think the Israelis are cowards? 7 million Israelis having forgiven 250 million Muslims ????
    1. Alexkorzun
      Alexkorzun 5 September 2015 18: 10 New
      0
      No need to juggle. Wherever your Israel was, if not for the support of Pindostana. In the deep .... Well, you yourself know.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 September 2015 18: 28 New
        -2
        Quote: Alexkorzun
        No need to juggle. Wherever your Israel was, if not for the support of Pindostana.

        Where would Assad be without the support of the Russian Federation?
        Where would the Arabs be without the support of the USSR?
        Sorry, in the same place as now in the deep ...
        Do you feel the difference?
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 7 September 2015 01: 27 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Sorry, in the same place as now in deep w ..

          No, even deeper.
      2. Dan4eG
        Dan4eG 5 September 2015 20: 03 New
        +2
        Where would your Israel be if not for the support of Pindostana

        And Syria is now in the pope because of the support of Russia?
        1. Hello
          Hello 5 September 2015 20: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Dan4eG
          Where would your Israel be if not for the support of Pindostana

          And Syria is now in the pope because of the support of Russia?

          Do not say that, the Syrian people, led by the great and mighty Assad, are fighting for world peace, though he brings down his people between the two, but what can you do if the sinless Assad has such a bad people. As they say, wood chips are flying
          1. shans2
            shans2 5 September 2015 21: 45 New
            -2
            stop raving
            Go bomb Palestine.
            1. slavaisrael
              slavaisrael 5 September 2015 22: 20 New
              +1
              There is no such country - Palestine. Go back to school.
            2. Hello
              Hello 5 September 2015 22: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: shans2
              stop raving
              Go bomb Palestine.

              What are you bloodthirsty what
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  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 5 September 2015 10: 17 New
    +3
    Well, not all the same, they bomb the Arabs, sometimes how much in vain, by the way. They have "interests", you see. Now, let them strain.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 5 September 2015 10: 37 New
      +9
      Quote: iliitch
      Well, not all the same, they bomb the Arabs, sometimes how much in vain, by the way. They have "interests", you see. Now let them strain

      For a start, Iran is the Persians
      1. Krasmash
        Krasmash 5 September 2015 10: 58 New
        +5
        Quote: Pimply
        Quote: iliitch
        Well, not all the same, they bomb the Arabs, sometimes how much in vain, by the way. They have "interests", you see. Now let them strain

        For a start, Iran is the Persians

        Well, you are not God's chosen. yes. All the same, you won’t do anything without the Americans and Saud against the Iranians.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 5 September 2015 13: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Krasmash
          Well, you are not God's chosen. All the same, you won’t do anything without the Americans and Saud against the Iranians.

          You see, for some reason, the majority of nervous fellow citizens put God’s election as some kind of Jewish super privilege, issued to Jews for free. In fact, no.
          God's chosenness means that God’s judgment on a Jew is much stricter, since they voluntarily take upon themselves the fulfillment of a number of commandments, and for their violation the punishment is more serious than for those who are not Jewish. Envy of God's chosenness? Well, there’s nothing simpler: you can become a Jew, you automatically become G-chosen. A couple of years of study all and an exam - and official Jewry in your pocket, what to envy. But do not forget - rights impose additional obligations. And oh, how many of them. 8)

          About the Americans and the Saudis: well, maybe yes, maybe no. The reactor in Iraq and the reactor in Syria were destroyed without their help and approval. Cooperation with the Americans really began only after the 1969 year. And even then, it often carries problems than their solution. And given the nature of relations with the current American administration, do you really think that in the event of a real threat they will be consulted?
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 5 September 2015 13: 21 New
            -4
            Relax. God's chosen people are RUSSIAN, but the Jews betrayed Christ! Everything is written in the gospel.
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 5 September 2015 16: 06 New
              +10
              Quote: dr.star75
              but the Jews betrayed Christ! Everything is written in the gospel.

              In fact, the Jews could not betray Christ since they never recognized him.
            2. slavaisrael
              slavaisrael 5 September 2015 16: 16 New
              +1
              So after all Yeshua (his name is actually not Jesus) was our Jewish boy. The Romans killed him under the law - but what kind of anti-Semite is this interested in?
              1. Alexkorzun
                Alexkorzun 5 September 2015 18: 14 New
                0
                Before you write nonsense - learn the materiel (read the Gospel. There's a role the Jews, sorry, Jews painted in detail)
                1. atalef
                  atalef 5 September 2015 18: 29 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexkorzun
                  Before you write nonsense - learn the materiel (read the Gospel. There the role of the Jews, sorry, Jews is described in detail)

                  Yes, everything is described
                  The role of Jesus in particular. wink
            3. anokem
              anokem 5 September 2015 16: 52 New
              0
              The gospel is written about Russian ???
              1. shans2
                shans2 5 September 2015 21: 48 New
                +2
                The Gospel and the Bible were written by Jews ...
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          2. Krasmash
            Krasmash 5 September 2015 13: 56 New
            0
            It’s ridiculous, of course, that there is more demand from the Jews. It’s what kind of monstrosity it came to the Jews to call people, and non-Jews animals called to serve the chosen people. My diagnosis: the compiler of this religious crap was intoxicated.
            Quote: Pimply
            Envy of God's chosenness?

            There is no envy of self-proclaimed.
            Quote: Pimply
            Cooperation with the Americans really began only after 1969

            Do not forget about the role of the Pendo-Soviet Jewish mafiosi, who laid weapons transportation channels long before 1969.
            Quote: Pimply
            And given the nature of relations with the current American administration, do you really think that in the event of a real threat they will be consulted?

            Yes, there’s a threat there. You’re heating up. Hebrews spice up this topic, if there weren’t a Persian nuclear program, you would find another excuse to soak Iran.
            PSYou haven’t been seen for so long and I thought that our bloody Kagbnya still caught the counter. fellow
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 5 September 2015 11: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        Quote: iliitch
        Well, not yet they bomb Arabs

        Quote: Pimply
        For a start, Iran is the Persians

        I think you got excited, it’s immediately clear who they are talking about, and by whom the Israeli Armed Forces, Egypt, Syria, etc. were noted.
      3. hydrox
        hydrox 5 September 2015 11: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: Pimply
        For a start, Iran is the Persians

        And the S-300 complex is violet, what nationality is the calculation and the plane that needs to be removed.
        And in order to have less ambition, the Persians withdraw the lawsuit from Stockholm on the condition that C-400 is delivered instead of C-300.
        Here we’ll look at whose cause the fly sits!
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 5 September 2015 13: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: hydrox
          the C-300 complex is violet, what nationality is the calculation and the plane to be removed.
          And in order to have less ambition, the Persians withdraw the lawsuit from Stockholm on the condition that C-400 is delivered instead of C-300.
          Here we’ll look at whose cause the fly sits!

          How I love hooray crackers. For starters - there are no victories for C-300 so far. This is a good system, but its real effective use against the Israeli Air Force, which has one of the most advanced electronic warfare systems in the world, one of the most significant UAV parks in the world, and also tested the capabilities of C-300 from a dozen years ago - is a big question.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 5 September 2015 13: 12 New
            0
            I agree, but in part, I assume that our complexes have also passed the necessary run-in, perhaps even with you.
            1. slavaisrael
              slavaisrael 5 September 2015 16: 18 New
              0
              And again, a request simply to broaden one's horizons - facts to the studio.
          2. Tusv
            Tusv 5 September 2015 14: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            How I love hooray crackers. For starters - there are no victories for C-300 so far. This is a good system, but its real effective use against the Israeli Air Force, which has one of the most advanced electronic warfare systems in the world, one of the most significant UAV parks in the world, and also tested the capabilities of C-300 from a dozen years ago - is a big question.

            He did not take part in the hostilities, the patamushta is an “anti-dermocrat.” I’ll tell you more that mattresses do not fly against us on Mondays - instructions! We are either hangover for them, or very angry
      4. dr.star75
        dr.star75 5 September 2015 12: 30 New
        +1
        Israel is about to bomb someone!
  • Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 5 September 2015 10: 26 New
    0
    August 21, an Israeli fighter was shot down by the Syrian army air defense system in the province of Kuneitra

    Come on! Shot down an Israeli fighter ?! One of those that, according to some visitors to VO, how did the 25th MiG click nuts? Well, I don’t even know what to say ... belay laughing
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 5 September 2015 10: 26 New
    +2
    The main thing is that the S-300 would be deployed before the start of the database. The second should be well-trained calculations. Accordingly, the topic of advisers arises. Third and very important. Impassable cover against DRG. Complexes with a probability of 500% will be attacked from the ground.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 5 September 2015 10: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: armored optimist
      The main thing is that the S-300 would be deployed before the start of the database. The second should be well-trained calculations. Accordingly, the topic of advisers arises. Third and very important. Impassable cover against DRG.

      The most important thing is to create a high-quality and full-fledged air defense system, separate systems do not solve anything, especially since the S-300 is a long-range complex, they themselves need to be covered, and the Jews are not stupid at all, so that having the natural folds of the terrain go to the target from 5 km.
      1. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 5 September 2015 10: 35 New
        +2
        Well, absolutely! This was the strength of our air defense since Vietnam. The fact that he is a SYSTEM!
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 5 September 2015 11: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        and the Jews are not fools at all,

        Of course, they are not fools and they will probably know (from Amer’s satellites) in which folds the Torah and the Shell will wait for them - therefore they will not fly!
  • Igor39
    Igor39 5 September 2015 10: 28 New
    +5
    That is, they confirm that they are bombing Syria and are going to Iran.
  • 79807420129
    79807420129 5 September 2015 10: 30 New
    +7
    And if C 400 then they’ll go for diarrhea altogether.
  • NOMADE
    NOMADE 5 September 2015 10: 36 New
    +5
    In vain, laugh, Israel, in terms of electronic warfare and the rest of military electronics, is very strong! You should not evaluate them.
    The fact that they recognized the challenge with the S-300 is worthy of respect from both the air defense system itself and the Israeli specialists.
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 5 September 2015 11: 17 New
      +1
      S-300 is already yesterday. With these sanctions, he mentally and technically managed to grow old, and the Israelis all spawn in horror at his mention. What will happen if we suddenly begin to sell more modern complexes to Iran?
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 5 September 2015 13: 19 New
        0
        Do not understand? What does someone doubt that it was developed in 1975, and was adopted in 1978? So, count, 40 years is a considerable period. Modernization by modernization, but the S-400 has already been adopted and the S-500 is in question. If the obvious facts are negative, at least explain a little. Interesting all the same in what is wrong.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 5 September 2015 14: 55 New
          0
          Quote: marlin1203
          but the S-400 has already been adopted and the S-500 is in question.

          By the end of the year, the first Vityaz promise to replace the s-300. This is from eight missiles on the PU from s-400. In vain, the mericosa left the ABM Treaty. To begin with, they are students, and secondly, the prohibitions for us have been lifted
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  • sv68
    sv68 5 September 2015 10: 41 New
    0
    Yes, let them upgrade, it is their right. It’s only in vain that they are bombing Assad and the civilian population with and without bombing their enemies.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 5 September 2015 10: 46 New
      0
      Quote: sv68
      The civilian population is its own enemies.

      May I recall? In the context of Syria, plz
      Quote: sv68
      without bombing exactly votssk al-Assad

      Were they special neutrons or friends?
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        1. Professor
          Professor 6 September 2015 09: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Was it or not?

          There is no such. Lebanon attacked Israel and Israel was forced to respond.
          There has never been neutrality with the Syrians. The war we have with them since 1948.
  • Nord2015
    Nord2015 5 September 2015 10: 46 New
    +3
    EW funds will be used against the S-300, this is without a doubt. Plus, they’ll come up with something, so that the Persians need to deploy air defense in any case, well, and crew training is important. Against the S-125, the Israelis massively used unmanned aerial vehicles as false targets, still entering the aircraft into the affected area and immediately leaving it, and then a quick strike of attack aircraft at the systems that used up their ammunition and failed to reload. Arabs are unimportant warriors, here it is not worth shouting in advance about the victory of the Iranians. We will see how they say.
  • donavi49
    donavi49 5 September 2015 10: 51 New
    +6
    Well, air defense is not a panacea now, especially taking into account the local mentality of operators. Won Marib they had:

    RLE - field.
    Total air control.
    Far circuit PAK-3.
    The immediate contour is Shell-C.

    So what? One overdue point covered the forward base on the Soviet margin of safety, hundreds of Oshkosh, BMP, armored personnel carriers, 4 Apache Longbow, more than 45 military from the UAE, 5 military from Bahrain, more than 30 military from local Yemeni resistance went into minus ...
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 5 September 2015 11: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: donavi49
      One overdue point covered the forward base on the Soviet margin of safety, hundreds of Oshkosh, BMP, armored personnel carriers, 4 Apache Longbow, more than 45 military from the UAE, 5 military from Bahrain, more than 30 military from local Yemeni resistance went into minus ...

      Well, hundreds of infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers are probably too strong, but the explosion was strong and did not seem to be alone.



      And this is what the shooting point says.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 5 September 2015 12: 27 New
        +1
        Total. 4 Apache minus and Longbow is already officially. In the UAE, 3 days of mourning.

        Before the strike there was a lot of iron.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 5 September 2015 12: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: donavi49
          Before the strike there was a lot of iron.

          Personally, the greater and sooner defeat in Yemen, the SA, the UAE and other sponsors of terrorism will suffer the better.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 September 2015 16: 59 New
      +2
      Carapace C without a single air defense system, complete zero.
      1. Nord2015
        Nord2015 5 September 2015 17: 33 New
        +1
        Let me disagree with you.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 5 September 2015 18: 02 New
          0
          All is correct. The first blade shaves clean, the carapace polishes the chin lol
    3. shans2
      shans2 5 September 2015 22: 17 New
      0
      the carapace with threatening to teach to shoot down ballistic targets only in the 17th year, he could not shoot down in any case.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 September 2015 22: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: shans2
        the carapace with threatening to teach to shoot down ballistic targets only in the 17th year, he could not shoot down in any case.

        Let him start at least one plane down
        And how many are there in Syria?
        remind
        1. Nord2015
          Nord2015 5 September 2015 22: 39 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Let him start at least one plane down
          And how many are there in Syria?
          remind

          Dear Atalef, that you are very nervous about the Shell in Syria.
          How many of them in Syria do you think? fifty? I will not persuade you. You so want to convince everyone around you, and yourself personally, that this is a worthless weapon, unable to interfere with Israeli pilots. The fact that Israeli aviation bombed the warehouse of the anti-ship missiles Yakhont and the Shell did not bring down a single aircraft, gives you confidence that it is useless? Or maybe you were specially given to bomb empty warehouses, so that you would calm down.
          But they don’t really react to small and dirty raids of individual aircraft, because now it’s not up to you and it’s better not to reveal the positions of the Shell until the decisive moment.
      2. Nord2015
        Nord2015 5 September 2015 22: 42 New
        0
        Quote: shans2
        the carapace with threaten to teach to shoot down ballistic targets only in 17

        Let me clarify who threatens that? He has long and successfully coped with this simple task. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrxlpFBeJwk
        1. shans2
          shans2 6 September 2015 04: 05 New
          0
          cruise missiles and ballistic missiles are very different things, cruise missiles can formally and MANPADS shoot down ...
          1. Nord2015
            Nord2015 6 September 2015 11: 43 New
            +1
            All right. This is me, something is reported. recourse
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  • Fantastic_D
    Fantastic_D 5 September 2015 11: 01 New
    +6
    These vaunted c300s may well end up at the Iranian Hizbal gang on our border tomorrow, and we will be ready for that. Nobody is going to attack the Persians yet ..
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 5 September 2015 11: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Fantastic_D
      These vaunted c300s may well end up at the Iranian Hizbal gang on our border tomorrow, and we will be ready for that. Nobody is going to attack the Persians yet ..

      This is not an Iranian gang, as you put it. So you are going to attack Lebanon. This is a defensive weapon. I’m not tired of conducting (exercises) of my troops in Lebanon. Actually, you have (teachings), and there women and children die.
      1. Professor
        Professor 5 September 2015 11: 22 New
        -14
        Quote: Kil 31
        This is a defensive weapon.

        You tell this to the relatives of the Malaysian Boeing and the Novosibirsk Tu-154. They feel better that it was a defensive weapon.
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 5 September 2015 11: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: Kil 31
          This is a defensive weapon.

          You tell this to the relatives of the Malaysian Boeing and the Novosibirsk Tu-154. They feel better that it was a defensive weapon.

          Well, professor, you're smart. What you attributed C300 to these cases, there are other settings. If you wanted to say they can bring down a passenger, then Hezbollah is about 100% more than in dill. hi
          1. Professor
            Professor 5 September 2015 11: 55 New
            -1
            Quote: Kil 31
            If you wanted to say they can bring down a passenger, then Hezbollah is about 100% more than in dill.

            That's it. Climbing into the sore head of a bearded dude in a dress knock down the passenger side and his menagerie will willingly fulfill the will of the fanatic.
            1. kil 31
              kil 31 5 September 2015 12: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: Kil 31
              If you wanted to say they can bring down a passenger, then Hezbollah is about 100% more than in dill.

              That's it. Climbing into the sore head of a bearded dude in a dress knock down the passenger side and his menagerie will willingly fulfill the will of the fanatic.

              Not so much about an authoritative person, not only in their own country but also in others, otherwise people can remember about hats and pigtails. For example, they may recall the sick head of General Lazar in 1973. hi
              1. Professor
                Professor 5 September 2015 17: 41 New
                +4
                Quote: Kil 31
                Not so good about an authoritative person, not only in his own country but also in others

                Authoritative? Who are you talking about? About a rat not climbing out of its hole for 9 years?
                1. Hello
                  Hello 5 September 2015 20: 22 New
                  +1
                  And why did he get out the Internet to him there yes
                2. kil 31
                  kil 31 5 September 2015 20: 52 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Professor
                  Quote: Kil 31
                  Not so good about an authoritative person, not only in his own country but also in others

                  Authoritative? Who are you talking about? About a rat not climbing out of its hole for 9 years?

                  You yourself answered your own question. If you can’t find your vaunted Mossad for so many years. Nobody sells it. Although there are legends about the venality of local people. AUTHORITY. hi
                  1. Hello
                    Hello 5 September 2015 20: 58 New
                    +1
                    Does he need a mosad? Better the enemy you know and who is afraid of you, otherwise it will not come scary and start over. Do we need it? hi
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 6 September 2015 06: 46 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Hello
                      Does he need a mosad? Better the enemy you know and who is afraid of you, otherwise it will not come scary and start over. Do we need it? hi

                      I fully support. This tame intimidated rat behaves very well. It doesn’t rush at us. Gnawing with other rats. The next rat king is not known which one. Hand on heart, I’m even a little upset when they send him to the prophet for an interview.
                      1. Revolver
                        Revolver 7 September 2015 01: 41 New
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        I’m even a little upset when they send him to the prophet for an interview.

                        That prophet with whom Nasrallah (that’s something that says something!) Is to be interviewed, with horns, hooves, and a tail. am So do not be upset.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 7 September 2015 08: 11 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Nagan
                        So do not be upset.

                        I will miss him. I'm used to it. crying
                3. slavaisrael
                  slavaisrael 5 September 2015 21: 10 New
                  0
                  Yes, we need him alive. The dead immediately takes revenge. And so and so desertion began in Hezbollah. After all, the authority is so authoritatively sitting in the bunker, just a hero.
          2. Arzoo
            Arzoo 5 September 2015 15: 02 New
            -2
            And there was nothing to meddle with Assad. They warned that it beats with current bully Warned. It’s just that the general staff of the Tsakhal deliberately sent a young Jewish pilot to death, that’s all. Consciously.

            And Israel has serious problems. Not so long ago, representatives of the SA flew to Moscow for the Iskander and, as I suspect, the keeper of the two shrines was also interested in the nuclear warheads in the kit. And I suspect that if they give a decent price, they will receive them. Yards that way for 200. The time when every bearded Mahmud will have nuclear weapons approaching.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 5 September 2015 15: 13 New
              -1
              Quote: Arzoo
              also interested in nuclear warheads complete with them. And I suspect that if they give a decent price, they will receive them. Yards that way for 200. The time when every bearded Mahmud will have nuclear weapons approaching

              We have almost complete consensus on the issues of nuclear weapons with our mattresses. Contradictions - staff members offer to bomb right away, we say: "It's a pity for people"
            2. slavaisrael
              slavaisrael 5 September 2015 20: 29 New
              -1
              What are you taking in everything there ???
      2. ultra
        ultra 5 September 2015 12: 14 New
        +5
        Is this a question for Ukrainians or US citizens? Iran has not been seen in the destruction of civilian aircraft. Or am I missing something?
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 5 September 2015 13: 59 New
          +4
          But the United States was seen in the destruction of the Iranian aircraft:
          July 3, 1988 an American cruiser "Vincennes" type "Ticonderoga" over the Persian Gulf shot down a passenger "Airbus A300" of an Iranian airline. 290 people were killed, including children.
          Yes, and the Israeli regime, although it didn’t shoot down passenger planes, is constantly bombing and killing its neighbors Arabs - the conclusion is that the extremely aggressive Israeli regime must take the planes out as it uses them to kill civilians.

          1. Krasmash
            Krasmash 5 September 2015 19: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Yes, and the Israeli regime, although it did not bring down passenger aircraft

            Wait, do not rush. Maybe everything is so they are somehow involved in the plane crash over Donbass.
            1. slavaisrael
              slavaisrael 5 September 2015 20: 56 New
              -1
              Come on you. Everything is clear that Russia is sponsoring the war in Ukraine on the part of the separatists - that means Russia is guilty in the costly murder of innocent civilians. And this is precisely what Putin is afraid of. Point to it soon with a finger.
              1. Krasmash
                Krasmash 5 September 2015 21: 50 New
                -1
                Hahaha: It’s perfectly clear that kosher oligarchs started a war against the Slavs. Gradually, an anti-Semitic wave will rise in the ruin, especially in its western part, with the subsequent cozion of it. Uh, the Bandera bastard will come off. Not all Ukrainian Jews will be able to save Israeli Israeli intelligence. you do not get upset in americosii because everything is calm and you can continue to live measuredly.
    2. Fantastic_D
      Fantastic_D 5 September 2015 13: 51 New
      +5
      It sponsors, arming itself with Iran and receives orders from Tehran, no one hides this, in fact. No one is going to attack Lebanon while they sit quietly and boil in their own juice. For which reason the "defensive weapon" has already been explained to the Hezbollah 100500 times, and snotty propaganda about "women and children" is just a weapon of the information war. It can only work on local cotton wool, which is not averse to once again brand the Israeli military
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 5 September 2015 18: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: Fantastic_D
        and snotty propaganda about "women and children" is just an instrument of information warfare.

        If you follow your logic, then your "moaning" about anti-Semitism and terrorist attacks against Jews around the world-also a weapon of information war? belay smile
        1. Fantastic_D
          Fantastic_D 5 September 2015 21: 24 New
          -1
          There are iron facts, but there’s the idle chatter of all Internet watnegs, with fake Google photos and Mossad secrets from YouTube ...
  • padded jacket
    padded jacket 5 September 2015 11: 21 New
    +2
    Yes, there really are bandits and terrorists there ISIS, Al-Nusra, Al-Qaeda and the Israeli regime supporting them.
    But Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Iraq are precisely the fighters against the terrorists and fanatics of which Jews support.
    By the way, another Israeli Jew wanted to join the ISIS gang.
    20-year-old Jew from Israel went to war on the side of the "Islamic State"
    A young Jew from Israel tried to join the radical Islamic movement "Islamic State" and go to fight on his side in Syria.
    http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2015/09/01/izrailskiy-evrey-otpravilsya-vo

    evat-na-storone-islamskogo-gosudarstva /
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 September 2015 17: 02 New
      0
      At such a pace as they are now fighting terrorists, this struggle will stretch for 20 years.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 5 September 2015 11: 13 New
    +4
    improve their aircraft taking into account the possible entry into Iran of S-300

    Naive. The S-300 is not a dead system in which there will be no “firmware update”, but the complex in which the software and hardware is constantly being updated. At the moment, the S-300 is approaching the first S-400 + in Russia along the way missile control unification for these systems (so that containers with missiles from C300 and vice versa could be used on the C400).
    One could speak of the possibility of success in this matter if the S-300 complex is located alone in an open field. But he Tamara walks a couple will be surrounded by shells, tori, beeches and through such a crowd of friends a rocket from an Israeli plane will break through and an Israeli plane will add a Syrian MIG-31.
    They would be better off improving the Iron Dome complex, which only Grad missiles and Kasamami can’t always cope with when deployed on a massive scale, which manifested itself in the summer of 2014.
    Israel has such a desire to bend Syria to please the Americans, that they are even ready to die and die for it.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 5 September 2015 11: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: lopvlad
      Israel has such a desire to bend Syria to please the Americans, that they are even ready to die and die for it.

      The thing is that we (the USA and Israel) seem to share them, but in fact this is one “gang” standing on a par with al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
  • Karasev70
    Karasev70 5 September 2015 11: 26 New
    -1
    I.V. Stalin is probably turning over, because he is one of the creators of this state (or country?), How is it right?
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 5 September 2015 11: 40 New
    0
    I wonder what method of counteraction C-300 are we talking about ??? Installing additional systems on the plane to "deceive" the rocket? creating a false radar field? Guidance jamming? what?
    In any case, Israel has the power to create microelectronic products of high complexity, it’s another matter that their component base is very sensitive to the effects of electronic warfare.
    It will be a very rewarding experience for us too.
    1. slavaisrael
      slavaisrael 5 September 2015 16: 30 New
      +1
      Well, who will tell you the darling truth?
  • roskot
    roskot 5 September 2015 11: 41 New
    +1
    They will shoot down, shoot down and shoot down.
    1. slavaisrael
      slavaisrael 5 September 2015 16: 31 New
      0
      Remind who shot down shot down will be shot down C300. I forgot.
  • 1536
    1536 5 September 2015 12: 02 New
    +2
    Jews need to be told that missiles from C-300 fly exclusively in one direction. And this side is not theirs. Maybe then they will calm down.
  • antikilller55
    antikilller55 5 September 2015 12: 06 New
    0
    Of course you can upgrade your letaki, but whether this is the benefit of this is the question. I doubt that the Jews have something that can withstand the S-300.
  • ZKB
    ZKB 5 September 2015 12: 51 New
    0
    Israel intends to improve its aircraft, taking into account the possible entry into Iran of the S-300 ....
    NOW THE PILOT WILL BE GIVING AN EXTRA PARAMET, PUMPERS AND BEFORE EVERY DEPARTURE OF THE RABBIN WILL CARRY OUT THE SERVICE FOR THE PERSONAL BODY OF THE PILOT ,,,
    1. slavaisrael
      slavaisrael 5 September 2015 16: 32 New
      -1
      It’s funny. After all, the Arabs won the war against Israel.
  • regdan
    regdan 5 September 2015 12: 55 New
    -1
    Again dough cut in Israel will begin under the slogan "We are modernizing airplanes against the S-300" ....
  • sounddoc
    sounddoc 5 September 2015 13: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    The resource recalls that “on August X, an Israeli fighter was shot down by the Syrian army’s air defense system in Quneitra province.”

    Two fighters, three bombers, 5 helicopters and one aircraft carrier. wassat

    So yes! Israeli media reported that the wreckage of one of the downed bombers flew to the territory of Israel and fell on the head of some professor. The name of the victim is not specified)))
    1. Fantastic_D
      Fantastic_D 5 September 2015 13: 53 New
      -2
      Now it’s clear how Assad pays for the weapon with you. Oranges ran out, there was noodles, just substitute ears ..
  • GEORGE
    GEORGE 5 September 2015 13: 21 New
    -2
    Quote: Darkmor
    F-16I will be equipped taking into account possible strike using surface-to-air missiles

    Interestingly, equipped with what?
    Catapult with enhanced knockout charge, so that the pilot is thrown behind the cone of expansion of fragments of the c-300 rocket?
    Efka will not be able to fly faster than the 4x of the fly, above 27km too, they do not know how to become invisible, just as they have not yet learned to completely extinguish the radar track - whatever you install on them.
    You can install, of course, anti-radar missiles, but their range on the EFs is clearly less than the c-300 range - i.e. the aircraft will be hit before the radar is hit.

    I don’t know what’s in the minds of Israeli generals, but the surest decision would be to not fly in the zone of destruction of the X-NUMX.

    The maximum than they can protect their aircraft from the S-300 is to stick icons on the dashboard ... lol Perhaps carry ... hi
    1. slavaisrael
      slavaisrael 5 September 2015 16: 33 New
      0
      This is in Russia illuminated by aircraft-ships-tanks with the name of the Jewish god - after all, he is one. And his son was also a Jew.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 5 September 2015 17: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: slavaisrael
        This is in Russia illuminated by aircraft-ships-tanks with the name of the Jewish god - after all, he is one. And his son was also a Jew.

        It seems that such tales are told in Israeli kindergartens, but you believed lol
    2. anokem
      anokem 5 September 2015 21: 08 New
      0
      Sticking icons does not work. We are not Christ)))
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 6 September 2015 10: 08 New
      +2
      "Maximum than they can protect their aircraft from the S-300
      - stick the icons on the dashboard "////

      Besides the icons, maybe - this is my guess -
      taught the air-to-air python-5 rocket to hit
      large missiles on approaching the plane.
      This rocket is very nimble and nimble - it can do
      even 180-degree turns along a small radius
      and attack the tail that’s gone. She has a scan
      infrared seeker that captures and holds the target
      independently.
      I don’t see the fundamental impossibility of intercepting a rocket with it
      S-300 installations.
  • prostofily
    prostofily 5 September 2015 13: 31 New
    -1
    Well ento so that the pilots did not write much, and then strangle the S-300, it’s too expensive to poke.
  • ASG7
    ASG7 5 September 2015 13: 38 New
    +1
    The secret of modernization is revealed. They will install ejection seats of a new type. First, the bailout will be performed automatically before the rocket hits, and secondly, the volume of the sanitary package under the ejection seat will be increased. laughing
  • slavaisrael
    slavaisrael 5 September 2015 16: 25 New
    0
    WAR OF THE DAY OF DAY

    The forces of the parties

    ISRAEL
    415 thousand people
    1 tanks
    2 guns and mortars,
    240 PU ATGMs,
    561 aircraft
    84 helicopters
    20 SAM,
    38 ships and boats 1 people,


    ARABS
    3 tanks
    5585 guns and mortars
    932 PU ATGMs,
    1 011 aircraft
    197 helicopters
    186 SAM,
    125 ships and boats

    Or do you all think that on that DAY the Arabs had a passing Soviet technology!?!?!?!
    Bad Soviet specialists!?!?!?!?

    AND WHAT AT THE END !! ??! ??
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 September 2015 17: 05 New
      +3
      Arabs are war losers.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 5 September 2015 16: 28 New
    0
    We will improve our fighters in case Russia supplies S-300 systems .... the answer is lokanichny: improve ..
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 September 2015 16: 50 New
    +1
    And yet she spins (shot down))))))) hi
    1. Fantastic_D
      Fantastic_D 5 September 2015 21: 20 New
      +1
      Well, yes ... 10 times the spoken word halva replaces a kilo of sugar ..
  • tyzyaga
    tyzyaga 5 September 2015 17: 29 New
    -1
    Israeli fighter was shot down by the Syrian army air defense system

    Oh come on, you can shoot down an ordinary PZK! Does the war in the Donbass teach you anything? )))
  • Termit1309
    Termit1309 5 September 2015 17: 41 New
    0
    Quote: Professor
    That's it. Climbing into the sore head of a bearded dude in a dress knock down the passenger side and his menagerie will willingly fulfill the will of the fanatic.

    And the star-striped bright admiral and bam Iranian Boeing with two hundred passengers into the ocean will climb into the head. A starry striped medal. What `s next?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 7 September 2015 01: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Termit1309
      And the star-striped bright admiral and bam Iranian Boeing with two hundred passengers into the ocean will climb into the head. A starry striped medal. What `s next?

      Firstly, it was not a Boeing, but the A-300 Airbus. Secondly, that American, mind you, not the admiral, but only the captain after that had to unsubscribe so much that he rubbed his elbows on more than one uniform. Nevertheless, the career was ruined - and so the captain resigned, but he really threw himself into the admirals.
  • VSkilled
    VSkilled 5 September 2015 18: 17 New
    +3
    "The technical details of the modernization of the fighters are not specified, however, it was announced that the F-16I fighters will be equipped taking into account the possible strike using surface-to-air missiles ..."


    The whole “hitch” is that the S-300 is not a simple surface-to-air missile, it’s not at all simple ...

    Therefore, Jews - insure in advance in case their "modernization" turns out to be a bluff and a "cut": they say, from a simple surface-to-air missile - they modernized, well, but who knew that the S-300 is SO “complicated” .

    S-300 - was originally very cool, and where is the guarantee that it has not been upgraded either? Progress, after all, also does not stand still.

    For the S-300 manufacturer, it’s hard to come up with more effective advertising than the mass deaths of enemy aircraft, and even “modernized ones”. It may well turn out that the Persians will not just have the S-300, but some threads that will also be modernized ... S-300-XXX, which will arrange the aircraft "unconventional s_eks" in the air.

    "Nothing personal just business!" ©

    Sorry for the Jewish mothers of Israeli pilots: not everyone will return the "falcons" ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 September 2015 18: 24 New
      -1
      Quote: VSkilled
      Sorry for the Jewish mothers of Israeli pilots: not everyone will return the "falcons" ...

      Do not say gop.
      Until today, all the acquaintances of the Israelis with Soviet technology ended in one .... laughing
    2. slavaisrael
      slavaisrael 5 September 2015 18: 45 New
      -3
      And here is the question. And if, as always, Soviet weapons are screwed up - but forgive this Arabs are fools.
      1. Krasmash
        Krasmash 5 September 2015 18: 51 New
        +5
        Quote: slavaisrael
        And here is the question. And if, as always, Soviet weapons are screwed up - but forgive this Arabs are fools.

        Of course, your Arab brothers are stupid. We remember very well how the valiant Vietnamese kicked the Americans with Soviet weapons. So there is no need to drive them.
      2. atalef
        atalef 5 September 2015 18: 57 New
        -1
        Krasmash Today, 18:51 |.
        Of course, your Arab brothers are stupid. We remember very well how the valiant Vietnamese kicked the Americans with Soviet weapons. So there is no need to drive them.

        that Arabs are Arabs, this one is understandable, not understandable. if you know all this, why do the grandmas continue to invest in them - the result is all the same laughing
        And who is L Oh X here?
        1. Hello
          Hello 5 September 2015 22: 37 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Krasmash Today, 18:51 |.
          Of course, your Arab brothers are stupid. We remember very well how the valiant Vietnamese kicked the Americans with Soviet weapons. So there is no need to drive them.

          that Arabs are Arabs, this one is understandable, not understandable. if you know all this, why do the grandmas continue to invest in them - the result is all the same laughing
          And who is L Oh X here?

          I do not agree with me, several Arabs served as quite fighting guys, in my opinion the point is in motivation and preparation to take at least Jordanians quite worthy fighters
  • Arzoo
    Arzoo 5 September 2015 18: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: VSkilled
    Sorry for the Jewish mothers of Israeli pilots: not everyone will return the "falcons" ...

    Do not say gop.
    Until today, all the acquaintances of the Israelis with Soviet technology ended in one .... laughing

    It cost straight-armed comrades to sit down for her once and it all ended in the day of judgment laughing
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 September 2015 18: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: Arzoo
      It cost straight-armed comrades to sit down for her once and it all ended in the day of judgment

      Well it ended the same 5 times laughing
      Only here the question is the attack on the same rake
      So these * direct-handed * - were trained in the best military schools and academies, gave them grandmothers (without limitation), sent their advisers, gave an unparalleled arms to the world, but it ended --- laughing
      maybe the problem is not only in straight-handedness?
      And how is it not invested in logic?
      Maybe they taught wrong? Maybe the weapon is wrong? Maybe they took allies in allies?
      And then no matter how you look, that neither the ally is either a beggar or a w.bo.g.i.i. , or a full loser. wink
      States, unlike you, know who to invest in - the result is on the face laughing
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 5 September 2015 19: 17 New
      -2
      Quote: Arzoo
      It cost straight-armed comrades to sit down for her once and it all ended in the day of judgment

      What is it like? The Jews won the war, but they gave up the Sinai. This is probably how the Europeans got lyuley in the Crimean War, but still won, but ate each other in the internecine war?
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 September 2015 19: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Tusv
        What is it like? Jews won the war but gave the Sinai

        For peace, one can give back what a priori was not ours.
        It was worth it, here’s another question, if you think that Egypt won the war belay Well then, then, he kicked his best friend of the USSR in the ass and under the USA?

        Quote: Tusv
        . This is probably how the Europeans got lyuley in the Crimean War, but still won, but ate each other in the internecine war?

        It’s not worth looking for analogies in everything, because judging by the standard of living, the loss of war in Germany and Japan is unknown - is it good or not?
        Or how to explain that winners live worse than losers.
        1. Arzoo
          Arzoo 6 September 2015 00: 31 New
          0
          Quote: atalef

          It was worth it, here’s another question, if you think that Egypt won the war belay Well then, then, he kicked his best friend of the USSR in the ass and under the USA?


          и

          Quote: atalef
          Maybe they taught wrong? Maybe the weapon is wrong? Maybe they took allies in allies?
          And then no matter how you look, that neither the ally is either a beggar or a w.bo.g.i.i. , or a full loser. wink
          States, unlike you, know who to invest in - the result is in the face of laughing


          laughing But what about the USA of its best ally (in which they know who to invest in) a kick in the ass then? laughing I’m laughing at you.

          I remember once my family friends came to me from a small Middle Eastern country and I received them (it was a long time ago in Kiev, which is typical). They have not been in the former union since its collapse. And somehow, while walking around Kiev, we stumbled upon a shawarma stall, which the gentlemen charge me with that this is our Israeli dish, it’s called “shuarma”, and Ukrainians supposedly smashed it. I cried straight laughing


          Quote: atalef

          It’s not worth looking for analogies in everything, because judging by the standard of living, the loss of war in Germany and Japan is unknown - is it good or not?
          Or how to explain that winners live worse than losers.

          Hysterics laughing And like before the war, they lived poorly? The best example of an “economic miracle” made by the Americans is the Philippines. No matter how much the Americans didn’t “fancifully”, the country remained the center of sexturism. As they say, how many Americans don’t lick an anal hole, so you’ll lick vseravno and fellow
      2. slavaisrael
        slavaisrael 5 September 2015 19: 59 New
        -3
        Did you skip history in general at school?
  • dakty
    dakty 5 September 2015 21: 54 New
    +1
    A crowd of Jews came running and instructed the pros who needed and the minuses who didn't.
    May I give you a little advice? If you don’t get sick ... at all, then you do not need to improve airplanes. You peacefully chew popcorn, looking at events in the world and start up the saved money on new drones or valves in the heart. And maybe more people in the world will love you and put pluses !!!?
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 September 2015 22: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: dakty
      May I give you a little advice? If you don’t bother ... at all, then you do not need to improve aircraft

      Strange, why the heck then PAK FA, Armata and various expensive gadgets - live quietly and do not need to improve planes laughing
      Quote: dakty
      You peacefully chew popcorn, looking at events in the world and start up the saved money on new drones or valves in the heart. And maybe more people in the world will love you and put pluses !!!?

      Start with yourself and after that we will chew popcorn peacefully hi
    2. shans2
      shans2 5 September 2015 22: 49 New
      -1
      zhidobandera Russophobes, I used to think heaps of torn asses in YouTube under the rollers about Russian weapons-like shit for years, but now it’s clear that they are not alone).
      1. Hello
        Hello 5 September 2015 22: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: shans2
        zhidobandera Russophobes, I used to think heaps of torn asses in YouTube under the rollers about Russian weapons-like shit for years, but now it’s clear that they are not alone).

        Powerful stream of consciousness
      2. Dan4eG
        Dan4eG 6 September 2015 00: 27 New
        +2
        zhidobandera Russophobia, I used to think heaps of ragged asses in YouTube under the clips about Russian weapons



        how you got bombed
    3. slavaisrael
      slavaisrael 6 September 2015 08: 37 New
      +1
      Come on, who have the pluses here? I already have -600, so what? drinks
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 September 2015 22: 12 New
    0
    Good day. There was, earlier, an article describing how the stand-alone S-300 will be affected (I think the s-400 as well). Everything is believably described. Protection is a complex issue, it is necessary not to let it fly quietly, to wet Avaxs, large radars in the enemy’s territory, to shoot jump airfields for helicopters and attack aircraft (for this purpose the Tochka was in the USSR army). And also shoot from C300-400 aircraft outside the state border. And without such a comprehensive approach, they will shoot both the C300 and 400 and 500 and 600! Alone, these complexes are the target (albeit difficult). But Satanovsky listened, he said that the Israeli programmers will fight! So that kerosene and F-16 resource will be saved.
    1. slavaisrael
      slavaisrael 5 September 2015 22: 26 New
      -3
      And who will do all this - Assad? Or maybe it's easier not to give it (well, in the sense of stopping giving everyone in a row billions) for free. Maybe the government will buy medicine with this money, at least to treat children at home, otherwise not everyone like Kobzon through the president can receive treatment visas from damned capitalists for treatment. What is more important Assad or their children?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 6 September 2015 21: 54 New
        -2
        I agree, if he does, then hemp will remain from Syria. The theme is hackneyed, but people swore! I think that without a “roof” for the United States, Israel would have a modest military budget and, accordingly, would have behaved more modestly, would have less weapons and more desire to negotiate, would impose sanctions on Israel, like Iran. Although, with the Arabs, I do not know what to talk about or negotiate, the Syrians and Jordanians are the most prudent. Discuss better how to destroy the Patriot PAK 3, I did not particularly read about this system, it would be interesting. Or he too - has no analogues.
        Correctly write - you need to correctly choose with whom to make friends and protect your citizens.
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  • Arzoo
    Arzoo 6 September 2015 00: 52 New
    -1
    Quote: slavaisrael
    And who will do all this - Assad? Or maybe it's easier not to give it (well, in the sense of stopping giving everyone in a row billions) for free. Maybe the government will buy medicine with this money, at least to treat children at home, otherwise not everyone like Kobzon through the president can receive treatment visas from damned capitalists for treatment. What is more important Assad or their children?

    Is it you who have written in relation to Israeli policy now, or the USSR, or whom? This whole pun is far from Russian realities and I'm afraid of common sense. Better answer why Bibi killed a Jewish pilot by sending him to bomb Assad territory? Did Bibi know that there was Russian air defense? I will answer, yes I knew. Was this some kind of strategic task or military necessity? Probably nothing but Ponte Bibi and political adventures. Conclusion - the guy was simply killed, sent to death for nothing, for Ponty Netanyahu.
    1. shans2
      shans2 6 September 2015 01: 08 New
      -1
      it’s just that the paisans are accustomed to the Americans throwing their noses at the rusty dome and other Jewish troubles, only in the year 14 they filed $ 400 million for the dome for free), so they think that Russia is giving countries for free, as the USSR used to be)
  • Mentat
    Mentat 6 September 2015 01: 19 New
    +1
    It seems that the Israelis are counting on the Syrians to stupid with air defense, as in Lebanon, when they simply ignored the recommendations of Soviet instructors.
  • bashmak
    bashmak 6 September 2015 05: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
    Quote: avvg
    S-300 is not "on the teeth" of Israel.

    Yes, that's HZ.
    Israel is used to fighting with wisdom, not with numbers and bucks.
    Maybe that thread and stretched.
    In any case, the right amount of C300 will deliver a headache to any opponent.

    and that Israel was new with its wisdom? Maybe the Jews have great victories, as we have under Stalingrad? Maybe they have great commanders, like we have Suvorov, beetles?
  • fevg
    fevg 6 September 2015 05: 29 New
    0
    Atalef, hint to yourselves that a waste of "green". Although the "green" also soon "sink into oblivion." I think you understand everything?
    1. atalef
      atalef 6 September 2015 05: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: fevg
      Although the "green" also soon "sink into oblivion." I think you understand everything?

      In order not to stay like L.O.X with empty and useless green ones, I suggest that you throw them out right now, or (if not sorry) - give me laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 September 2015 06: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        give it to me

        Sanya, if you give, do not forget your friends repeat
        1. atalef
          atalef 6 September 2015 06: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: atalef
          give it to me

          Sanya, if you give, do not forget your friends repeat

          Hi Sanya!
          We chop tails laughing
          How are you ? Already in Vladik?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 September 2015 06: 12 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            We chop tails

            No question, there's nobody behind me wassat
            Quote: atalef
            How are you ?

            You will not get it tongue
            Quote: atalef
            Already in Vladik?

            Of course not smile
            Sanya is healthy.