Ukraine promises to create a launch vehicle for the US, if they finance the development

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Kiev expects Washington to continue its good deeds, hoping that the Americans will be interested in the idea of ​​a joint project to create a launch vehicle. In the US, the need for such a technique really exists. The question rests on the lack of money from the Ukrainian side, the newspaper writes Look, with reference to an interview with Voice of America by the chairman of the Ukrainian Space Agency, Lubomir Sabadosh, who is currently in the United States.



Ukraine cannot start work independently because of the high cost of the project.

“Our today's visit and discussion with representatives of the American business allows us to say that we can create carrier rockets together that can take over the functions of a person’s flight to the orbital station. An example is the participation of Ukrainian companies in the creation of the Antares launch vehicle, which will deliver primarily the necessary payloads to the orbital station, and then, possibly, fulfill the mission of delivering the manned crew, ”said Sabadosh.

“Ukraine will not be able to independently perform a closed cycle for the production of a launch vehicle. This is very expensive. We understand that at a time when we have difficulties in the economy, investing money only in the space industry will not be entirely correct. But the government pays special attention to the development of space cooperation with international partners, ”he added.

And, indeed, the United States, trying to get rid of its dependence on the Russian Federation, has long been trying to create its own missiles to deliver astronauts to the orbital complex. However, while forced to use Russian services.

Academician of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics. K. E. Tsiolkovsky Alexander Zheleznyakov believes that Russia will not suffer from the Ukrainian-American cooperation in this matter.

“To begin with, Russia currently has no joint launch vehicle projects with the United States. So the Ukrainians will not close and occupy our niche under any circumstances, the expert noted. - The question is different: does Ukraine today have opportunities for full-fledged cooperation with the Americans? If you remember our near history, Ukraine, in particular in Dnepropetrovsk, did have a powerful production base in the field of rocket and space technology. Back in Soviet times there were launch vehicles. And we can assume that Ukraine still retains some part of this potential. ”

According to him, “in principle, Ukrainians can create joint rocket technology with the Americans. It would be financing. From Washington, of course. ”

“Here you can recall the fact that the Ukrainian side participated in the creation of the first step for the American ship Antares. Ukrainians also worked on the Vega light-class European launch vehicle. Those developments, the materials that they have, apparently, interested the American side, ”said Zheleznyakov.

Another reason why the project may interest Washington is the financial side of the issue: Ukrainians, in any case, will ask for their services less money than their own developers.

However, in the opinion of Vzglyad, the academician’s assessments look too optimistic. According to the newspaper, Dnepropetrovsk Yuzhmash is currently "on the verge of complete degradation," and it will be extremely difficult for him to rise "from his knees".
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  1. +42
    5 September 2015 09: 17
    Well, I don’t know what to say. At first I was neighing. Then he lit a cigarette. Then he said mentally - pah, and went to breakfast. We believe, friends, in caravans of rockets ... fellow
    1. +18
      5 September 2015 09: 20
      How "cute" it looks from space: a Ukrainian rocket takes off from the "Globe of Ukraine"! All aliens are out! smile
      1. +23
        5 September 2015 10: 03
        There is logic, there is female logic, and there is Ukrainian.

        Explain why the United States should finance the creation of a launch vehicle in Ukraine, when the United States can finance itself for the creation of this missile - which it actually does. The US is ahead of ukrov in technology, especially in terms of material resources. For spaceports, logistics and transportation of prototypes, they are much easier to do in the United States.
        Well, what side did Ukraine get into it, the country of the great ones?

        You are still developing for the United States stealth fighters and laser missile defense ...
        Ukrainians, such Ukrainians, tfu ...
        1. +5
          5 September 2015 11: 07
          Quote: Darkmor
          Explain why the United States should finance the creation of a launch vehicle in Ukraine, when the United States can finance itself for the creation of this missile - which it actually does. The US is ahead of ukrov in technology, especially in terms of material resources. For spaceports, logistics and transportation of prototypes, they are much easier to do in the United States.
          Well, what side did Ukraine get into it, the country of the great ones?

          ----------------------
          I also thought about this ... the United States usually buys a ready-made reliable product that has been tested as they say, like our Russian rocket engines ... But from scratch, it’s not a fact that something else will work, but with such thieving partners ... the overall result is unpredictable so far ... And in the case of manufacturing at home, at least the money within the States will remain and the money is rather big ...
        2. +12
          5 September 2015 11: 29
          I translate from Khokhlo-Ragulsky: GIVE MONEY !!
        3. +2
          5 September 2015 11: 53
          Quote: Darkmor
          Explain why the United States should finance the creation of a launch vehicle in Ukraine, when the United States can finance itself for the creation of this missile - which it actually does.

          It is much easier to buy up "brains" and specialists of enterprises for a small penny in bulk. And then they will be retrained in house managers - then you will lure figs ... laughing

          Bulbashi, by the way, did just that - they invited them with entire enterprises (I don’t know now).
        4. +2
          5 September 2015 13: 11
          It’s just that they will finance the Russophobic fascists there, but there will be space financing on paper.
        5. 0
          5 September 2015 19: 43
          Ukrainian responsible and irresponsible people are looking for the application of their forces or talents, and suckers, which can be redeemed for money.
    2. +11
      5 September 2015 09: 21
      They no longer know how else to breed amers for money ..... Well, Ukrainians, well, inventors! Although I think the idea of ​​Yaytsenyukh has a nose for free money .... And here's another control shot ......
      In addition, President Poroshenko’s own production facilities have long mastered the large-node assembly of wheeled Belarus. Two years ago, the government took large-scale loans under state guarantees in the amount of 5 billion hryvnia to launch investment projects for the production of complex agricultural equipment. In the Chernihiv town of Nizhyn, together with the Italian manufacturer Landini SpA, they were going to establish a full-scale assembly of agricultural tractors. As you know, PJSC Nezhinselmash through the Ukravtozapchast LLC enters the orbit of Petro Poroshenko. Why does he need competitors? The last blow under the breath here received from American friends. At the end of October, immediately after the launch from the Cosmodrome in Virginia, the Antares launch vehicle exploded, which was supposed to launch the Cygnus cargo spacecraft into orbit. The first stage of an exploding rocket is made in Dnepropetrovsk, these are modified Soviet NK-33 engines.

      Source: http://politikus.ru/events/4
      Politikus.ru
      1. +7
        5 September 2015 09: 33
        Quote: MIKHAN
        They no longer know how else to breed amers for money ..... Well, Ukrainians, well, inventors! Although I think the idea of ​​Yaytsenyukh has a nose for free money ....

        The groundwork in rocketry of the USSR, in Ukraine for 20 years until the end could not be destroyed (although they actively tried) Therefore, in theory, the Ukrainians will be able to design a rocket (and the drawings and technologies of "energy" probably survived from the USSR)
        Only nah ... Yusovtsy Ukrainian rockets!? They need slaves on hacienda, not Ukrainian high technology.
        In general, elections will soon be needed tales!
        1. +3
          5 September 2015 10: 11
          So the Ukrainians will get the latest developments that were not sold to the Americans and the Chinese, and will hand them over to the matricians. But all this documentation is not ownership of the process.
          An example of this is the same Chinese who licked Kalashnikov. If memory serves in Afghanistan, Russian (Soviet) is still much more appreciated than Chinese, because it is more "tenacious".
          So I hope that megakidoks of mattresses will be released ukrami, or such rockets will fly, but not for long, for very short.
    3. +20
      5 September 2015 09: 21
      I want to see it! If only the Americans did not move out! It will be megakidok!
      1. Tor5
        +6
        5 September 2015 09: 42
        Yes, that’s what the Shtatovs would have bought!
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      3. +3
        5 September 2015 09: 45
        Quote: Civil
        I want to see it! If only the Americans did not move out! It will be megakidok!

        Ah, thoughts, my horses ........... Americans will not allow such a reversal hypothetically, they cannot depend on a country with an incomprehensible future, present and past.
        Of course, Ukraine will get a contract for the production of fuel tanks and this will be extolled as a success of Ukrainian science and industry, led by the pragmatic leadership of the country, well, all this lobud more ........
        1. +6
          5 September 2015 10: 27
          Quote: APASUS
          Of course, Ukraine will get a contract for the production of fuel tanks and this will be extolled as a success of Ukrainian science


          I agree, and with regard to technology, documentation and leading experts, I think everything has long been in the hands of NASA.
    4. +4
      5 September 2015 09: 25
      In such cases, the brilliant Stanislavsky exclaimed:"I do not believe!!!" laughing
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    6. +15
      5 September 2015 09: 42
      At first I was neighing. Then lit up

      The guys in the Yuzhnoye design bureau apparently also neighing at first, then lit a cigarette, and then, I think, they also drank ... hi
      1. +7
        5 September 2015 09: 44
        Quote: Rokossovsky
        , also drank ...

        Remembered.
      2. +1
        5 September 2015 09: 48
        Quote: Rokossovsky
        The guys in the Yuzhnoye design bureau apparently also neighing at first, then lit a cigarette, and then, I think, they also drank ...


        Hardly.
        For “Yuzhny”, very dark days have come. They hardly have the money to drink.
        Actually, they don’t even have water in their buildings. It is a miracle that there is still electricity, and then, it cannot be said for how long.
        1. +3
          5 September 2015 10: 07
          It is a miracle that there is still electricity

          That same famous cotton electricity! lol
        2. +3
          5 September 2015 10: 16
          Quote: Haettenschweiler
          Hardly.
          For “Yuzhny”, very dark days have come. They hardly have the money to drink.
          Actually, they don’t even have water in their buildings. It is a miracle that there is still electricity, and then, it cannot be said for how long.


          Yes, it’s not easy for the people there now, especially for those who didn’t ride, but worked. Recently I saw a story about a strike over non-salary payments at Yuzhny.
          Workers in plain text demanded from Offal:
          -If our country no longer needs rockets, then provide the company with a state order at least for chisels and sledgehammers, if only there is something to eat !!!!!
          1. +5
            5 September 2015 10: 32
            provide the company with government orders at least for chisels and sledgehammers

            Intercontinental Chisels and Sledgehammers laughing
            1. 0
              5 September 2015 23: 47
              Why laugh, terrible things, with three steps laughing
    7. +1
      5 September 2015 09: 46
      Quote: Abbra
      Well, I don’t know what to say. At first I was neighing. Then he lit a cigarette. Then he said mentally - pah, and went to breakfast. We believe, friends, in rocket caravans.
      I agree, I almost described myself with laughter.
      Americanosses with ukrams have already upgraded our engine. laughing
      Well, why should they pay ukram if they know how to steal no worse ... and, I think, build a rocket too. laughing
      1. 0
        5 September 2015 09: 51
        And it’s necessary to develop a bit, something about a billion dollars laughing
        1. -1
          5 September 2015 09: 54
          Quote: Igor39
          And it’s necessary to develop a bit, something about a billion dollars


          Nothing is needed for development at all, everything is ready-made.
          Billion - this is a new nameplate for the rocket, so that Russia would not rightly be indignant at such an impudent sale of Soviet technology to the open, for Ukraine has never declared itself the successor of the USSR.
          1. +1
            5 September 2015 17: 58
            such an impudent open sale of Soviet technology, for Ukraine has never declared itself the successor of the USSR. ,,
            Yes, they have already sold everything, regardless of succession or not.
        2. +1
          5 September 2015 20: 33
          There is an old Soviet joke on this subject. During the period of stagnation, a person comes to the Central Committee of the CPSU. He seems to be an unrecognized inventor and reports that he has invented a method of making food from Go, and asks for revision one million rubles and 1 year time. The Central Committee thought and gave. A year later, the inventor is called to Moscow and asked about the result. He, slightly embarrassed, replies that eating is not yet possible, but bread can already be spread!
          So with ukroraketetikami. I have no doubt that they will make a rocket. True, she will not be able to fly, but it will be possible to take to the start.
          1. 0
            5 September 2015 23: 53
            In the news on (I don’t remember which channel) it was said that the Americans had already figured out how to mold products for their life activity from the shit of astronauts (excuse me - astronauts) fellow
    8. 0
      5 September 2015 09: 53
      The outskirts of the EU will be populated by refugees from Africa in the amount of 100 thousand (for the first time) on the basis of an association preparation agreement with Europe. But migrants from the outskirts of the EU are not allowed. So the engines themselves will come in handy for moving to the moon, for example laughing
      1. +3
        5 September 2015 10: 07
        Chairman of the Space Agency of Ukraine Lyubomir Sabadosh graduated from the Lviv Commercial Academy. He worked as a tax inspector.

        They will certainly create a rocket and a torpedo and button accordion. With such an education!

        The whole world was at a low start and was waiting when Ukraine will make its choice - who should make the rocket ??? And finally!

        Astronauts applaud !!!
        In the distant past there were flights to the ISS on the way. Have your own rocket! Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the inspectors of the tax service - the leading specialists in the rocket science of mankind !!!
        1. 0
          5 September 2015 10: 34
          Americans have no problems in the production of their own rocket engines, everything as usual rests on the cost, ours are several times cheaper, and since the loot drives, it’s more profitable to buy ours than to produce your own, just business - nothing personal. hi
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          2. 0
            5 September 2015 15: 10
            Again, some sort of Svidomo minuses everyone. It looks like the opponents are over for "censor.net". laughing
    9. -1
      5 September 2015 10: 40
      I smoked that if a joke was drawn to the hawk
      1. 0
        5 September 2015 11: 08
        Yes, Americans already see how and where their money is going in Ukraine. Well, it’s just on the line of NASA - a black hole. And in the United States itself there are plenty of people who want to cut the state budget in the space industry. So they gave it to some natives laughing
    10. 0
      5 September 2015 11: 50
      They will fly from star to star ... (from one state to another!) hi She ne died of dill? hi
    11. +1
      5 September 2015 13: 21
      Quote: Abbra
      Well, I don’t know what to say. At first I was neighing. Then he lit a cigarette. Then he said mentally - pah, and went to breakfast. We believe, friends, in caravans of rockets ... fellow

      They still do not understand that the Americans are deliberately destroying the space industry, and not restoring it.
    12. 0
      5 September 2015 14: 33
      Quote: Abbra
      Well, I don’t know what to say

      It’s for sure that my old woman was completely fucked up ...
      Even the horse understands that the launch vehicles were not created at all in Dnepropetrovsk, but in the Soviet Union. Yuzhmash played, indeed, an important role, but it was only valuable for the closest cooperation of thousands of enterprises.
      It is time.
      And secondly: why are Americans so important about Banderstad?
      They can do it all themselves, albeit expensively, but independently, while maintaining the secrets of know-how and will do it in a quality manner.
      Banderlogs are not at all for rocket science, but as cannon fodder are also needed for the stench to annoy Russia.
    13. 0
      5 September 2015 15: 07
      I have an idea! For rocket engines, the fuel is liquid and solid. And why does not the Outskirts differ and make fuel in fat? Fat Ukraine !!! laughing
      1. 0
        5 September 2015 17: 29
        Quote: siberalt
        and make fuel in fat?



        Because they themselves are not enough fat. They bought it in spring in other countries laughing
      2. 0
        6 September 2015 00: 03
        Well, let them make medium fuel - ground corn as an example smile
    14. +1
      5 September 2015 15: 57
      Quote: Abbra
      We believe, friends, in caravans of rockets ...

      But still I do not share our peoples, and if we have nuggets, then accordingly they are on that part. That is, they will probably still be able to calculate the pH, but what next?
      This is what puts the big X on many things. Why, yes, because in the United States on such a project RN is working at least TWO American companies, if it makes sense for them to share advanced technologies with Ukrainians? I don’t think it’s easier for them to outbid the required number of specialists and transport them to the United States or open a “subsidiary” or “branch” in Ukraine, but to solve very narrowly specialized problems and with such a condition that everything developed there will immediately become the property of the United States ...
    15. DPZ
      0
      5 September 2015 19: 14
      and we especially believe that Ukraine uses the money for its intended purpose. after all, there is no one more decent than this country in the matter of developing other people's funds in the world
  2. +10
    5 September 2015 09: 18
    Joint trampoline they can create only.
  3. +2
    5 September 2015 09: 18
    Dreams are exciting fantasies.
  4. 0
    5 September 2015 09: 20
    Ukraine promises to create a launch vehicle for the US, if they finance the development

    It is possible that the United States can peck at such an offer, only out of a desire to annoy Russia and once again support a disappearing country. But what will it turn out in the end? But this is their internal affair (since Ukraine is already under the protectorate of the United States), if you do not mind the money, then put the cards in your hands.
    1. +2
      5 September 2015 09: 43
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It is possible that the United States can peck at such an offer, only out of a desire to annoy Russia and once again support a disappearing country.

      Not everyone in the US is as stupid as Zadorny's. If they "bite", then after the ATO (everything can be - and in the Dnieper they will go to a conflict with Kuev). Yes, and they will not "throw" their design bureaus, do not care about the high cost - the printing press is serviceable.
      1. 0
        5 September 2015 10: 18
        I wrote in my opinion
        if you do not mind the money, then cards in hand.
      2. 0
        5 September 2015 17: 31
        Quote: Voha_krim
        Yes, and they will not "throw" their design bureaus, do not care about the high cost - the printing press is serviceable.


        Is not a fact. RD-180 is bought from Russia because an analogue created in the USA is much more expensive. So consider the money.
  5. +2
    5 September 2015 09: 22
    They hope for another scam, but the United States cannot be covered with shit and they know how to count money.
  6. +2
    5 September 2015 09: 23
    Ukrainian space agency ... I wonder what they do there? Probably, traces of proto-ancestral ancestors in the Galaxy are looking for.
  7. 0
    5 September 2015 09: 24
    To negotiate with the junta is very problematic
    even for the USA, they’ll cheat anyway.
  8. 0
    5 September 2015 09: 24

    “Our today's visit and discussion with representatives of the American business allows us to say that we can create carrier rockets together that can take over the functions of a person’s flight to the orbital station. An example is the participation of Ukrainian companies in the creation of the Antares launch vehicle, which will deliver primarily the necessary payloads to the orbital station, and then, possibly, fulfill the mission of delivering the manned crew, ”said Sabadosh.
    It is interesting that Sabadosh accepted to expand consciousness, one can hardly believe sober. American corporations will never give money to the side, if only for a penny to buy all the documentation, although everything has already been sold there. And in the end, all Ukrainian heavy industry killed, finally and probably irrevocably.
  9. +2
    5 September 2015 09: 25
    Dill will sell the remnants of Soviet documentation, which will allow mattresses to advance slightly. And they will build ukroraketu on a pea engine.
    1. +3
      5 September 2015 09: 36
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      Dill will sell the remains of Soviet documentation

      Do not be naive, they are already in the USA and free of charge.
    2. 0
      5 September 2015 11: 01
      Dill will sell the remnants of Soviet documentation, which will allow mattresses to advance slightly. And they will build ukroraketu on a pea engine.
      For a long time they sold everything that could be sold to mattresses.
  10. +2
    5 September 2015 09: 25
    Do not agree. They have already one ANTARES covered itself up through the fault of a great space power. If only a couple of engineers to take to NASA handymen.
  11. +2
    5 September 2015 09: 26
    Give the main thing more money, but it will not work out, it doesn’t matter.
  12. +4
    5 September 2015 09: 26
    Ukraine will not be able to independently carry out a closed cycle for the production of a launch vehicle, it is very expensive.

    And it is unlikely to ever be able, in the foreseeable future, at least Yes

    However, in the opinion of Vzglyad, the academician’s assessments look too optimistic. According to the newspaper, Dnepropetrovsk Yuzhmash is currently "on the verge of complete degradation," and it will be extremely difficult for him to rise "from his knees".

    Mattresses will simply take away 50,100,200 Leading specialists and arrange for them to move to Silicon Valley, or somewhere else, where they will quietly and peacefully work for the benefit of the "greatest democracy" Yes To cut grandmas at home is much more reliable !!!! fellow
    1. 0
      5 September 2015 10: 04
      I wanted to say the same about this, that the best ones will be selected. They already came to the Yuzhny Design Bureau with a revision, looked at what they got.
  13. +2
    5 September 2015 09: 28
    Give money, give at least a little, well, at least give something for free! ! ! Do not drink so necessarily stolen. National trait!
  14. VP
    +1
    5 September 2015 09: 28
    Chairs in the morning, dkngi in the evening.
    It is impossible with them otherwise.
  15. +1
    5 September 2015 09: 31
    Pitiful dreams and antics ... Interestingly, the egg promised this to them? Let the country be created first ... storytellers. Americans will give them money, Ukrainians will buy a booster rocket from us, and they will push them to the Amer at an exorbitant price. that’s the whole song.
  16. +9
    5 September 2015 09: 31
    I would like to read more articles like that with a little utrechka, I’ve sold it and have been in a good mood all day.
  17. +4
    5 September 2015 09: 31
    ukro-natives will create a rocket? Well, well ... It was just said that you need money, I really want to cut it, but there’s nothing left to cut ...
  18. 0
    5 September 2015 09: 41
    the maximum that they can do with ov money is:
    1. make a big firecracker
    2. with .... the remaining money, I believe in this scenario.
  19. -1
    5 September 2015 09: 42
    I never cease to be amazed
    they will be ready to substitute their independent Ukrainian ones for anyone who can pay.
  20. 0
    5 September 2015 09: 45
    It will not be possible to create such equipment in this country 404. Specialists, technologies, test benches, instruments, checks — there is a carriage and a small cart. And the desire to slobber the greens is. Something about "Antonov" is not heard, maybe there is some kind of "pepelats" with a mattress to build.
  21. +1
    5 September 2015 09: 45
    First they their own hands destroyed the industry, removing ("lustered") the main locomotive of its space industry - Yuri Alekssev, and now they hope to revive it with American money? Oh doubtful!
  22. 0
    5 September 2015 09: 47
    Dill present themselves as talented rocket scientists, without whom the Merikasos cannot create their own rocket. Such pathos is unlikely to please the latter. What such secrets do the huntyas possess, without which the mattress will not take off? They gave away all the secrets for a long time. It turns out that here too it will not be possible to annoy Russia too much. But even if the joint project does take place, there will be no exclamation that caresses the ears of dill from Washington: "Glory to Ukraine" ...
    1. +1
      5 September 2015 09: 52
      Quote: Nymp
      What secrets do juntas have without which the mattress will not fly up?


      No secrets, really. But they have finished productionwhere can be produced by Soviet patterns heavy and medium carriers. The Americans have not yet put their own, American ones, into the series, tests are underway and "file finishing". To deploy on the territory of production, where the technical process will be Soviet standards? Well, there are no fools here, these technologies will become obsolete by the time the plants are ready - "Falcon-9", "Angara"... but they could buy media from the Ukrainians for a pittance ... if Ukraine was not a version of "Somalia-2.0".
  23. 0
    5 September 2015 09: 50
    Investing in long-term contracts in a 404-rated country is small compared to creating potential risks in its (NASA's) space program.


    Let Svidomo dream.
  24. 0
    5 September 2015 09: 52
    What can I say. There were Kremlin dreamers, Kueskys appeared. "The army is the best in the world, Putin turned the fascists against nationalists, again the Buryat armored divisions." Now here's the space military. Complete atrophy of the brain.
  25. 0
    5 September 2015 09: 53
    Quote: rotmistr60
    It is possible that the United States can peck at such an offer, only out of a desire to annoy Russia and once again support a disappearing country.

    They will not peck. In-1 they already have a sufficient line of launch vehicles, in-2 they have already refused the help of the great space power in the adaptation of NK-33 engines for "Antares" (The main task of the Yuzhnoye design bureau is the development and production control at the Yuzhmash plant »Containers for fuel, high pressure tanks, valves, sensors, fuel and power supply systems, pipes, wires and other related equipment). Found a more reliable supplier.

    Quote: BilliBoms09
    Interestingly, Sabadosh took to expand consciousness, sober hardly can be believed

    I liked his phrase
    An example is the participation of Ukrainian companies in the creation of the Antares launch vehicle, which will primarily deliver the necessary payloads to the orbital station, and then, possibly, will carry out the mission of delivering a manned crew. "

    This is how much you had to drink, or why smoke to think of this?
    The Americans are positioning Antares as a launch vehicle exclusively for launching the Antares cargo spacecraft into orbit. Its carrying capacity is 5,5 tons
  26. 0
    5 September 2015 09: 54
    "- What a blue sky! Pay cash! Excellent!"
    - Saw!
  27. 0
    5 September 2015 09: 57
    Another reason why the project may interest Washington is the financial side of the issue: Ukrainians, in any case, will ask for their services less money than their own developers.

    And the local lobby desires money to pass by the cash register.
    1. -1
      5 September 2015 09: 59
      Quote: loginovich
      Another reason why the project may interest Washington is the financial side of the issue: Ukrainians, in any case, will ask for their services less money than their own developers.


      Not interested never.
      Americans are much smarter on this issue than any Zadornov.
      Yes, they brought the production, including high-tech, from their country to the countries of China, India and other Thailand, but! - all Development is conducted exclusively on American territory and is never transferred to third parties. All that the above countries get - some money for assembly on finished patterns and a production license, and under control american engineer.
  28. 0
    5 September 2015 09: 58
    First they make an engine, and then a rocket, and nothing else. Ukraine has never made engines, and the United States prefers to buy them in Russia. Antares has already been burned in the collaboration, it is unlikely that they will find other fools.
    1. +1
      5 September 2015 13: 28
      Yes! The United States already at the stands brought the engines to replace our NK-33 and RD-180 / RD-185.
  29. 0
    5 September 2015 10: 00
    It’s interesting, did this kb do anything all this time? Or the more perspicacious escaped, well, maybe they rode to us or rode on the Maidan. They don’t pay money for it. Who will develop the project? A specialist who works all the time.
  30. 0
    5 September 2015 10: 12
    Put a minus, this unsigned publication only because this article has already been published on the site. And word for word.
  31. 0
    5 September 2015 10: 13
    what media ??? All the technologies that remained from the USSR were sold long ago to China and North Korea.
  32. 0
    5 September 2015 10: 18
    And who will be to blame if she does not take off ??? I think the guilty party has already been appointed!
  33. 0
    5 September 2015 10: 18
    I feel a great POWER in them. Young served Poro - Shen - Ko will be able to achieve a lot. And the great helicopter can build, which will plow the expanses of the universe))))
  34. 0
    5 September 2015 10: 20
    We’ll fence off the Great Wall from the Russian Federation ...
    Dig a great moat on the border ...
    We’ll do better missiles than the Russian ones ...
    Well, give me money for at least something. Well, do you feel sorry? laughing
  35. 0
    5 September 2015 10: 20
    Quote: Alexander 3
    Interestingly, and all this time this KB did something?

    Did it. Several projects of combat missiles and carrier rockets have been completed. Everything is exclusively in paper form, computer graphics and layouts. They have, for example, an operational-tactical complex, which in its parameters "is much superior to the Russian Iskander." It is called the Sapsan. Before that, there were also missile systems superior to the Russian ones - Borisfen, Grom (maybe I forgot , call)
    1. 0
      6 September 2015 17: 54
      It’s interesting, but who gave the task for this work? This work needs to be paid. And who will carry out these projects? It seems to me that this is all fake. They haven’t done anything yet, but is it better than the Russians?
  36. 0
    5 September 2015 10: 25
    the main thing here is to check in, say that we can do everything at your expense, but ... do we need to try to finance something other than war in the outskirts, a question of questions ..
  37. +2
    5 September 2015 10: 26
    I would like to look at that idiot who agrees to fly on a Khokhlyat rocket into space.
  38. 0
    5 September 2015 10: 28
    Than to arrange a lottery with Ukrainian Yuzhmash - it is easier to pull the remnants of Ukrainian (and in fact ethnic Russians) specialists to America and there to give them the task to build this rocket.
    the costs for each specialist are minimal - a small salary, a cardboard house in the suburbs and an almost new Chevrolet
  39. 0
    5 September 2015 10: 30
    So, there, in the sense of Amers, there seems to be a problem with the engine, and not a booster, although, apparently, there is no difference for the tax inspector laughing
  40. +1
    5 September 2015 10: 31
    The question is different: does Ukraine today have opportunities for full cooperation with the Americans?


    Exactly.

    In particular, the question is whether, on the same Yuzhmash, there is a sufficient number of qualified specialists to pull off such a project. Given a number of factors, they are most likely no longer there.
  41. +1
    5 September 2015 10: 31
    the outskirts promise us that it can promise what the carrier will do, and the uss promise that they will believe that the outskirts can even promise that they promise ...
  42. +1
    5 September 2015 10: 37
    I thought they already make potbelly stoves, but what kind of rockets do you say? Last century! Now all progressive plants in / in Ukraine make potbelly stoves in nanotechnology.
  43. 0
    5 September 2015 10: 37
    Quote: cte-power
    Than to arrange a lottery with Ukrainian Yuzhmash - it is easier to pull the remnants of Ukrainian (and in fact ethnic Russians) specialists to America and there to give them the task to build this rocket.

    What for? Why should the Americans build a rocket based on Ukrainian developments? Engineers may already be pulled out. But who now remains there on Yuzhmash? Recent developments date back to the late 80s and early 90s. Passed QUARTER OF CENTURY. Who of those who designed (really designed, that is, occupied the levels of at least chief engineers, leading designers, etc.) is now in service. People usually reached this level in 35-40-45 years. Add 25. The youngest of these specialists is already SIXTY
    But the United States has enough missiles. Anatres, Minotaur (from the lungs), Delta-4 in various forms, Atlas-5 in various forms, Falcon, on the approach of SLS. And there are a lot of other, unrealized projects. Haha they also Ukrainian rocket
  44. HAM
    0
    5 September 2015 10: 45
    While Ukrainians develop a carrier, the ISS will crash to the ground, they would immediately suggest to Mars, it will not fall for sure.
  45. 0
    5 September 2015 10: 46
    We just don’t understand anything, this is a very subtle move. They want to make a rocket not for the Americans, but for themselves, namely, to fight corruption. If you don’t believe me, here’s a verse from them
    songs:
    "We will put a end to the cult with a penny,
    I am for the cult of freedom of all. For me, well done.
    Hto vіzme swag - to fly into space,
    there won't be any corruption in us, it's not so hard to live here. "

    Swag is a bribe. So these "radishes" also want to shit space! belay
  46. +2
    5 September 2015 10: 46
    Who will seriously cooperate with Ukraine?
    - the construction of a cosmodrome in Brazil - zilch,
    - the construction of ports in the Crimea and the development of black earth together with China - zilch,
    - There has already been an attempt to jointly develop rocket science with the USA (the rocket exploded in the first minute) - zilch.
    - coal supplies from Australia - zilch,
    - coal supplies from South Africa - zilch,
    - BMP supplies to Iraq - zilch,
    - shale oil production - zilch,
    - enter the EU - zilch,
    - visa-free regime in the EU - zilch.
    First you need to get out of the shit without falling apart, and then hang noodles about your "need" to the whole world.
  47. -2
    5 September 2015 10: 47
    I read the comments ...

    I wonder if you really know how to gloat and scoff? Yes, in Ukraine now collapse and devastation, but ordinary people are not to blame for this, remember, 20 years ago we had the same thing and if not for Putin, then we would now be in the same pit as Ukraine ...

    Here it is not necessary to gloat, but to sympathize and be glad if they succeed, that in Ukraine someone will get a job ...
    1. 0
      5 September 2015 15: 21
      Ordinary people are not to blame? And who was on the Maidan? Who supported pravosekov? Who is the pet
      elected a drunk in the presidency? So blame yourself! By your action or inaction!
  48. +3
    5 September 2015 11: 00
    Quote: Santjaga_Garka
    Here it is not necessary to gloat, but to sympathize and be glad if they succeed, that in Ukraine someone will get a job ...

    To sympathize? I sympathize! Well, what does this change in the topic of the article? What can Ukraine do what it announces?
    So when all military-technical ties with Russia were severed, no one thought that thousands would be left without work. Now they suddenly started thinking about the need for jobs. But the Americans don't need Yuzhmash. As well as Yuzhmash missiles. Dreams that someone will order something for them are nonsense
  49. +2
    5 September 2015 11: 30
    Ukraine promises to create a launch vehicle for the US, if they finance the development

    naive Ukrainians. If the Americans need a launch vehicle, they will finance this development at home.
    No serious company will invest money in development in Ukraine where this money has time to steal already on the way to the plant.
  50. +2
    5 September 2015 11: 51
    Someday they will create it, but even when there really will be a base, money and mind! And today they lack only one thing, there is no money from America but UMA because what, it was during the USSR, that school those levels of education that mathematical section when calculating is not on a computer or with a calculator. and so I will deduce all the formulas on the drafts, having experienced piles of sheets, etc. For all the calculations, not only the material base is also necessary, but also a test bench, but how America develops building models and doesn’t make prototypes on their characteristics, but real things are completely nonsense, especially as it was noted above that I left the Union or Russia it will not be enough, it is clearly seen how they are the Americans laundering money, Serdyukov just resting, the Americans will not go to implement the project at the request of Ukraine for the sole reason that they themselves know how to launder money no worse than the outskirts!
  51. 0
    5 September 2015 12: 08
    Dnepropetrovsk Yuzhmash is currently “on the verge of complete degradation”, and it will be extremely difficult for it to rise “from its knees”.

    if at all possible with the current “helmsman” and in general under the current conditions... Currently, development is progressing by leaps and bounds, but they have been waiting for a “miracle” for 20 years and haven’t done a damn thing! Soviet developments of twenty years ago are morally outdated, in addition, they still need to be dealt with. Who will do this? To put it mildly, doubts arise about the abilities of modern space specialists... BUT! “Optimism” and ingenuity in asking for money knows no bounds! Unless the Americans will launch production there, perhaps even on the basis of Yuzhmash, with the goal of making it (production) cheaper, like in a 3rd world country... laughing
  52. +1
    5 September 2015 12: 09
    Purely practically... the Americans already got acquainted with the possibilities of Ukrainian progressive thought for free, and came to the conclusion that they could not afford it, especially for the money.
    By definition, a democratic third world country simply cannot offer something to the Americans.
  53. 0
    5 September 2015 12: 13
    The main thing in this matter is that you finance it.
  54. 0
    5 September 2015 12: 16
    Funny, these rocket creators are coming out, using the money of the “exceptional”.
  55. 0
    5 September 2015 12: 26
    Ukraine promises to create a launch vehicle for the United States if they finance the development. In the USA, pragmatists work (do business), not amateurs and dreamers. Apparently there are only “naive” left in Ukraine. If they suddenly decide to finance it, it will only be for humanitarian aid, or to launder the money. hi
  56. 0
    5 September 2015 12: 30
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/071/seti932.jpg
  57. 0
    5 September 2015 12: 52
    What cannot be taken away from the current Kyiv authorities is the riot of imagination when trying to swindle the owner out of money. winked
  58. +1
    5 September 2015 13: 00
    The most interesting thing is that the power of a design bureau usually comes down to the potential of one or two specific designers. the rest are replaceable people on hand, who, without these mega-brains, will generally not invent anything new, at most they will finish some old developments.
    There are doubts that the “main” designers are sitting and waiting for everything in Ukraine to be completely bad.
  59. wow
    +2
    5 September 2015 13: 37
    And what the hell with him, with Yuzhmash. Hey, the Americans will give you pennies, and customs will open up the entire width of the hohlonature. Simply put - everything is stolen!
  60. +1
    5 September 2015 14: 05
    I wonder if anyone told the Americans about some...umm...features of the mentality of Ukrainians?
    Because if I had told him, I think that everything would have been limited to just money for the war and nothing more.
  61. 0
    5 September 2015 14: 36
    Academician of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics. K. E. Tsiolkovsky Alexander Zheleznyakov believes that Russia will not suffer from the Ukrainian-American cooperation in this matter.
    - Naturally! And only those guys who decide (!) to fly to... will suffer. lol
    An example is the participation of Ukrainian companies in the creation of the Antares launch vehicle.
  62. INF
    0
    5 September 2015 15: 35
    Quote: Abbra
    Well, I don’t know what to say. At first I was neighing. Then he lit a cigarette. Then he said mentally - pah, and went to breakfast. We believe, friends, in caravans of rockets ... fellow


    In Pentalgin they probably laughed the same way.
  63. 0
    5 September 2015 15: 58
    Imagine this picture: - a crowd of protesters, on the stage in front of them are Yatsenyuk, Tyagnybok, Klitschko and Poroshenko in the background! Yaitsenyukh speaks:
    - “Kind people! We told you that we will live happily? So we finished off our clothes: -WE Zhivamo garneau! And te shob YOU Garneau veins - why didn’t we beat them!”
  64. 0
    5 September 2015 17: 41
    Quote: Santjaga_Garka
    I read the comments ...

    I wonder if you really know how to gloat and scoff? Yes, in Ukraine now collapse and devastation, but ordinary people are not to blame for this, remember, 20 years ago we had the same thing and if not for Putin, then we would now be in the same pit as Ukraine ...

    Here it is not necessary to gloat, but to sympathize and be glad if they succeed, that in Ukraine someone will get a job ...


    Yeah....understand and forgive.
    When voting in the Ĉrada in 2014, the right sector received 1.8% of the votes in the elections this year, already 5.6% (at the beginning of summer), now I am sure more than 60% percent of the population (data from the beginning of the year) for continuing the war, i.e. for killing children, old people and women.
    Who's gloating here? This is the truth of life....FACTS.
    And you offer to “sympathize and rejoice.” Nonsense. They sympathized with Hitler, supported him, allocated money throughout Europe, rejoiced at his successes until...... he began to burn people in ovens.
    Remember one thing. The fascists will never give up power, and if they seize it, they won’t give it up without much bloodshed. Well, these fascists are like that, and Bandera’s followers are no exception.
    Therefore, fascism must be crushed and crushed in the bud until it becomes stronger like German fascism.
    That's it and that's it.
    HA laughter and nothing more. I can “sympathize and rejoice” now.

    PS
    I don’t advise you to flirt with the fascists..... it will end badly. Believe me.
  65. 0
    5 September 2015 17: 59
    There are people who have poor understanding.

    Some are downright stupid.

    There are “sick ass” victims of alcoholic conception.

    And, there is, simply - the standard of brainlessness, "absolute zero", minus 273 on a hundred-point scale of mental development - "thick Svidomo horses."

    A_mers, in their Svidomo opinion, are simply sleeping and seeing: who would they throw this money at for high-tech?

    Yes, the Amers even state somewhere in their laws: wild natives must remain as wild as possible for as long as possible. Preferably forever...
  66. 0
    5 September 2015 18: 48
    Some kind of theater of the absurd. Are they trying to replace Russia in the system of industrial cooperation? I think Americans need Ukrainians like a dog’s fifth leg. Unless, under the guise of “cooperation in the space industry,” they will sell a couple of Soviet technological secrets for inexpensively. But most likely “everything has already been sold before us” laughing
  67. 0
    5 September 2015 20: 33
    Quote: smith7
    Are they trying to replace Russia in the system of industrial cooperation?

    This substitution is only in the brains of Svidomo. Realities show something completely different. The Americans relied on cooperation with the Ukraine in terms of adapting the NK-33 engines and simply decided to purchase new engines instead of the NK-33 from Russia, removing Ukraine from the cooperation
  68. 0
    5 September 2015 23: 41
    Ukrainians must be blocked at the international level from using Soviet developments and scientific and technical achievements. The legal successor of the USSR is the Russian Federation. The rest of the so-called “former Soviet republics” do not have the right to use Soviet technologies.
  69. 0
    6 September 2015 09: 27
    Quote: atarix
    The most interesting thing is that the power of a design bureau usually comes down to the potential of one or two specific designers. the rest are replaceable people on hand, who, without these mega-brains, will generally not invent anything new, at most they will finish some old developments.
    There are doubts that the “main” designers are sitting and waiting for everything in Ukraine to be completely bad.

    These one or two (if they remain, of course) need to be lured to Russia little by little before they are taken to America.
  70. 0
    6 September 2015 11: 34
    Quote: Voha_krim
    - “Kind people! We told you that we will live garneau? So we finished off our tributes: - WE live garneau!

    This is a rehash of an old Soviet joke. At the next congress of the CPSU, the General Secretary speaks and says:
    - in 2000, each of us will have our own home
    - in 2000, each of us will have our own car
    - in 2000, each of us will have our own plane

    A voice from the audience: “And from us”?

    And specifically for designers. Chief designer of the department - one of the creators of the famous "Satan" / "Voevoda" Stanislav Ivanovich Us - 79 years old in October, Vladimir Fedorovich Utkin - chief designer, one of the creators - died in 2000, Vladimir Aleksandrovich Uralov - Chief designer of control systems - 83 years old . Those who are younger, and occupied at least second roles - they are also under or over 70

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