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Ukrainians began the second world war. Ahead of time

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Ukrainians began the second world war. Ahead of time



The Second World War actually had to start on August 26 and go on as 1 days by September 5. 28 man started it, but I never thought that Ukrainian trace would be found here. However, I found it.

The commencement of hostilities was scheduled for 4.26, Berlin time, 26, August, 1939. Last night, OKW received an order to postpone September 1 and managed to bring this information to all units and combat groups - except for one.

The reconnaissance and sabotage group of the 2nd Abwehr Division in the number of 28 people, under the command of Lieutenant Herzner, was to capture two railway tunnels on the Yablunkovsky Pass, on the Polish-Slovak border. In the evening of 25, she had already moved forward to the baselines, and her radio did not catch the stop order in the mountains.

As a result, before the dawn, the saboteurs of Herzner, after removing the sentry, captured the Polish platoon of mountain shooters of the 4-th Podhalyansky regiment and police at the station Bridges in 1,5 km from the tunnels. And then they were locked in the station barracks together with the Polish miners who arrived at the station on the first morning train.

And here, to Herzner, he did the same by the walkie-talkie radio (according to another version, he contacted his people on the other side of the border directly by phone). At 6 in the morning, the Germans broke up into small groups and began to leave for the border.

Further Polish and German sources diverge. The Poles claim that the brave telephonist managed to warn the border guards guarding the tunnels, and they drove away the saboteurs who had tried to penetrate them. The Germans also declare that the core of the battle group, sowing locomotives, broke through the tunnels, at the same time cutting the wires to the charges of explosives.

The commander of the German 7 Infantry Division, Major General Ott, in whose interests the reconnaissance group acted, brought official apologies through the envoy to the commander of the Polish 21 Mountain Division, General Kustron. The case was presented as an "incident caused by a mad man acting on his own behalf."

The Poles pretended to believe, but the tunnel blasting system, of course, was restored - and the 1 of September, the sappers jerked them even without an order, as soon as they heard the first shots at the border.

What does the Ukrainians have to do with it? Given that for actions on the territory of Poland, Abwer needed people who could speak Polish fluently. It is clear that it was difficult for them to sign ethnic Poles for their affairs, but Ukrainians were easy. See the photo above? It depicts the backbone of the Herzner reconnaissance group conducting this operation.

In the center he himself is in German uniform, everything is as it should be. And there in that high uncle in black that stands behind everyone, the Ukrainian comrades easily recognize Roman Shukhevych. The future head of the OUN-UPA.

Everything converges with his biography: from 1938, Shukhevych lived in Germany, underwent military training in Munich, and in 1941, he became deputy commander of the notorious Nachtigall battalion, who supervised Herzner in the central administration of Abwehr.

In 1950, Shukhevych will be eliminated by a special group of the MGB near Lvov. Herzner, according to the official version, accidentally drowned in 1942 year.

Why say “official”? The fact is that Peter Hoffman, in his monumental History of the German Resistance, 1933-1945, names Herzner as one of the conspiratorial insurgents who were to make an escort of General Vitleben in the autumn of 1938. In the fall of 1938, Witzleben intended to come to Hitler, and while his escort neutralizes the SS short pots of the Nazi guards, it is polite to invite the Führer to sign a renunciation.

So then turn around in a different way, Herzner would be famous for not a special operation on the Yablunkovsky pass ...
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 6 September 2015 06: 15 New
    +11
    and we were stupid all thought of Hitler! wassat
    1. _Brown_
      _Brown_ 6 September 2015 09: 50 New
      -6
      Ukrainians are to blame for everything !!! By the way, I heard that traces of the UPA were found at the site of the fall of the Tunguska meteorite. Traces of 41-43 sizes. )))
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. captain
        captain 6 September 2015 11: 20 New
        +16
        I can not agree with the stupid headline, or maybe just provocative, but this article once again showed that historical facts cannot be kept silent in our time. Now everything that is printed about Bandera evokes different feelings in people; who wonders why they didn’t print it before, who grins and makes comments like Bury, who resents why the Ukrainians who fought against us suffered less punishment than the Russians. We do not like to write about the beginning of the war and the mass surrender of hundreds of thousands of Red Army men in the summer of 41, but apparently it was worth it. On September 1, as part of the South-Western Front, without front reserves, spare parts and rear, there were 752 — 760 thousand people, 3923 guns and mortars, 114 tanks and 167 combat aircraft. By the time of encirclement, there were 452,7 thousand people, 2642 guns, 1225 mortars, 64 tanks in the boiler. According to German data, near 24 of September, 665 thousand people were captured near Kiev. According to data published in 1993 by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Soviet losses amounted to over 700 thousand people, of which 627,8 thousand were irrevocable. And now for an interesting point, the Germans let the Ukrainians go home, by the way Ukrainian women saved the lives of thousands of Russian prisoners of war, Chuvash, Mari ..., because spared many and called them their husbands, thank them very much for that. They were released for a number of reasons; there was nothing to feed, there was no place to place, they had not yet thought up their use in the Todt organization, there was no need to use the labor of prisoners in industry and agriculture in Germany in 41, and most importantly, the Germans believed that by doing so they would split the ranks of the Soviet Army . In part, they achieved this, many Red Army men, residents of Ukraine, simply ran home. (In 1943 they were again called up without any consequences for them, unlike deserters from Russia). Question; why did they treat the Ukrainians so gently? Why was Bandera rehabilitated en masse after the death of Stalin? Why didn’t this happen to representatives of other nations who fought against us? Who made this decision and what position did he hold? Why did Stalin annex Galicia to Ukraine and Transcarpathia, and did not create separate union or at least autonomous republics? Who advised him to do so or did he make such a decision? Why did Khrushchev give Crimea to Ukraine together with the people? Why did Lenin and Trotsky give Ukraine the territory of the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic and conduct Ukrainianization there? In Russia, before 1917 there was no concept of nationality, who and for what purpose invented nationalities in the USSR? Why were Stalin and Dzerzhinsky opposed to autonomies and union republics? Until they give an answer to these and many other questions at the state level in the form of sections in school books and textbooks of other educational institutions, there will be many different speculations on this topic.
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 6 September 2015 14: 15 New
          -5
          Quote: captain
          but this article once again showed that historical facts cannot be kept silent in our time.

          what are the "historical facts"? That the author in the photo examined a brow similar to Shukhevych?
          Quote: captain
          We do not like to write about the beginning of the war and the mass surrender of hundreds of thousands of Red Army men in the summer of 41, but apparently it was worth it.

          Quote: captain
          Why did Lenin and Trotsky give Ukraine the territory of the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic

          to which subject is this side?
          Why are there so many letters?
        2. _Brown_
          _Brown_ 6 September 2015 14: 30 New
          0
          Rotmister, you ask the right questions, but the answers to them will be only speculations of members of the forum.
          You mentioned me in your comment. And I decided to justify my sarcasm.
          The fact is that now everywhere they are in a hurry to attract Ukrainians to any negative act. Therefore, I believe that the article, or rather its title is "custom". And judging by the content, then the assessment of those events is delusional. It’s the same as writing now that the first strike of the Nazis was restrained, for example, by the Kazakhs — only because at any outpost they prevailed among the military units.
          Whereas the Wehrmacht (Abwehr), like the Red Army (NKVD) were multinational and the national composition of that group had practically no influence on historical events. Nevertheless, the author decided to draw attention to the national issue.
          Maybe the author himself is a Nazi !?))
          And I’ll supplement a little, regarding prisoners of war. As far as I know, the dissolution of prisoners to their homes took place in the Smolensk region in the offensive zone of Army Group Center.
          1. Das Boot
            Das Boot 6 September 2015 16: 01 New
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            Quote: _Brown_
            the Wehrmacht (Abwehr), as well as the Red Army (NKVD) were multinational and the national composition of that group

            Do not bother in a bunch. Abwerabtailung II and others at that time consisted of Volksdeutsche and was by no means multinational.
            Quote: _Brown_
            And judging by the content, then the assessment of those events is delusional.

            it’s hard to disagree.
      3. Angro Magno
        Angro Magno 6 September 2015 21: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: _Brown_
        Ukrainians are to blame for everything !!! By the way, I heard that traces of the UPA were found at the site of the fall of the Tunguska meteorite. Traces of 41-43 sizes. )))


        Now it’s clear why the meteorite was not found.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 6 September 2015 13: 48 New
      +10
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      and we were stupid all thought of Hitler!

      ... in light of the recent "incursions" of Afro-Asians into the geyropu, Ukrainians, as always, run the risk of being late!
      They urgently need to bring down villages, hamlets, towns in the EU !!! fellow laughing wassat
      Anhydride is your mother: at least on foot, at least a carcass, at least a scarecrow ... laughing laughing laughing
      And if you have a little gay joy in Europe, until you see the Chornopopians ...
    3. evil partisan
      evil partisan 6 September 2015 18: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      we are stupid

      stop No need to summarize a colleague!
  2. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 6 September 2015 06: 26 New
    +7
    interesting opinion. Thank you for the article.
  3. Loner_53
    Loner_53 6 September 2015 06: 41 New
    +3
    It’s time to end with this magnanimity, otherwise they will blaze the Third World.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 6 September 2015 06: 44 New
      +8
      Quote: Loner_53
      It’s time to end with this magnanimity, otherwise they will blaze the Third World.

      But how can Sergey finish that ??? our authorities are like a written shell with this outskirts ...
      1. Loner_53
        Loner_53 6 September 2015 07: 33 New
        +7
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        But how can Sergey finish that ??? our authorities are like a written shell with this outskirts ...

        What exactly is it like with a sack, again we are preparing a gas discount, some sort of sadomasity of our tops
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 6 September 2015 06: 52 New
      +1
      Yes, they themselves will be bent when the time comes, we will see that the EU is no longer up to them and the SGA will also soon throw these boobs.
  4. vovanpain
    vovanpain 6 September 2015 07: 04 New
    +14
    Well, how could the Adam and Eve without the Great Auroras also have great roots.
    1. Drmadfisher
      Drmadfisher 6 September 2015 09: 48 New
      0
      Adam and Eve had Kyrgyz roots (http://wek.com.ua/article/62227/) wassat
  5. Barakuda
    Barakuda 6 September 2015 08: 04 New
    +18
    Russians! Cut us off the gas! I will drown with firewood! Or run around the house. The main thing is that the dirty-nasty thing would freeze, and the little mind would increase in Bosko. soldier
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 6 September 2015 09: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: Barracuda
      Russians! Cut us off the gas!

      OK. hold it.
  6. moskowit
    moskowit 6 September 2015 09: 19 New
    +1
    Few doubts about this, we’ll hear something else. If the whole European civilization originated in Ukraine, then what about the rest. I think that soon we will hear about the Ukrainians Columbus and Gagarin ... sad fool
  7. Support
    Support 6 September 2015 09: 47 New
    +4
    I always (from the time of urgency) spoke, I speak and I will speak - this ethnos, under the name ukrokhokhly, should disappear from the face of the Earth, as an error in experiments on human genotypes. The result was simply inhuman .... By the way, for some reason in Kamchatka, almost the entire Government of the region and the city consists of ... Ukrainians. And miserable refugees from the outskirts (I personally did not check, but there are rumors from the city administration) they get apartments in new buildings without problems ... pushing back the waiting list
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 6 September 2015 13: 13 New
      0
      Alas, Reliance, you are right. And housing to the detriment of the waiting list is not only for you, but also for the Sverdlovsk region. I heard from witnesses in Nevyansk.
    2. Das Boot
      Das Boot 6 September 2015 15: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Prop
      I always (from the time of urgency) spoke, I speak and I will speak - this ethnos, called ukrokhokhly, should disappear from the face of the Earth,

      in it ... neither more nor less -
      Quote: Prop
      disappear from the face of the earth
      Even Shiklya surpassed. Well done, get the "Mein Kamf" autographed.
  8. Das Boot
    Das Boot 6 September 2015 09: 51 New
    +1
    Did the headline seem to me inappropriate sarcasm?
    1. captain
      captain 6 September 2015 10: 25 New
      0
      No, it seemed not to you alone, just people pretending to be so.
    2. captain
      captain 6 September 2015 10: 25 New
      0
      No, it seemed not to you alone, just people pretending to be so.
    3. 0255
      0255 6 September 2015 10: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Das Boot
      Did the headline seem to me inappropriate sarcasm?

      Not one, Hitler began the war, albeit with the help of Shukhevych.
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 6 September 2015 14: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: 0255
        Hitler started the war, albeit with the help of Shukhevych.

        Not bad ... "The haberdashery and the Cardinal are power!" (C) Why should humiliate Adolf so?
      2. shooter cc
        shooter cc 6 September 2015 18: 50 New
        -3
        Quote: 0255
        Not one, Hitler began the war, albeit with the help of Shukhevych.

        Actually, Stalin started the war when he allowed the Germans to attack Poland. Stalin created Hitler, without Stalin Hitler would have been imprisoned in 1933 immediately after the election, for debt. Stalin is the main puppeteer here, and the brave corporal is just his well-fed six. And who do you think started first war?
        1. Gouging
          Gouging 6 September 2015 22: 41 New
          0
          "Gunner of the BB" ... Do you even know when the day of the BB of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation? Carrying a retelling of the books of the traitor Rezun? Stalin so-and-so. Dill or what? Blow on the censor and do not hide behind the flag of the USSR.
          1. shooter cc
            shooter cc 6 September 2015 22: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Gouging
            "Gunner of the BB" ... Do you even know when the day of the BB of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation? Carrying a retelling of the books of the traitor Rezun? Stalin so-and-so. Dill or what? Blow on the censor and do not hide behind the flag of the USSR.

            If I served there for two years, then I probably know. I read the book the same way you did, but unlike you I completely agree with him. I live in Karelia, born 1971, are there any other questions?
        2. family tree
          family tree 7 September 2015 00: 08 New
          0
          Quote: shooter cc
          .Stalin is the main puppeteer, and the brave corporal is just his well-fed six

          Et cho, test, in BB the most stupid? I do not believe! And besides Suvorov-Rezun, did you bother to check anything, or at least to what he refers to?
          My served in naval aviation, but I’m quite a sapper, hell, the SA and the Air Force of the Russian Navy, the one that’s not in the subject, please call.
          1. shooter cc
            shooter cc 7 September 2015 01: 03 New
            0
            Quote: perepilka
            Et cho, test, in BB the most stupid? I do not believe! And besides Suvorov-Rezun, did you bother to check anything, or at least to what he refers to?
            My served in naval aviation, but I’m quite a sapper, hell, the SA and the Air Force of the Russian Navy, the one that’s not in the subject, please call.

            I read a lot of different authors, but it all comes down to the same thing. Stalin helped out Hitler, Stalin helped him, Stalin did everything he could to get up, and then it turned out to be a whipping bag. In my conception of that period, everything agrees, this is my personal opinion If you do not agree on something, then oppose .And do not test here stupid or smart.
  9. roskot
    roskot 6 September 2015 10: 35 New
    0
    What the Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea is understandable. But why didn’t they drag the Egyptian pyramids to Ukraine - I don’t know. And I don’t believe that they gave an order to Hitler about the beginning of the Second World War.
  10. family tree
    family tree 6 September 2015 10: 47 New
    +1
    And, here, between Herzner and in a tie, behind, in a cap on one side, what is holding a secret weapon in his hands? what Here, tochnik, he started the war! wassat
    1. your1970
      your1970 6 September 2015 14: 54 New
      +1
      By the way, yes? what is in his hands?
  11. Evver
    Evver 6 September 2015 11: 37 New
    0
    But did Adolf Aloizych have Ukrainian roots? laughing
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 6 September 2015 13: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Ever
      But did Adolf Aloizych have Ukrainian roots? laughing

      Ukrainian historians are working on this ...
  12. Evilcat
    Evilcat 6 September 2015 11: 52 New
    +2
    What does the Ukrainians have to do with it? Despite the fact that for actions on the territory of Poland Abwehr needed people who were fluent in Polish. It is clear that it was difficult for them to sign ethnic Poles for their affairs, but the Ukrainian
    But there were no Germans who knew Polish in the border areas? Yes, by chance Branderburg-800 was not formed from the Ukrainians?
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 6 September 2015 13: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: EvilCat
      But there were no Germans who knew Polish in the border areas? Yes, by chance Branderburg-800 was not formed from the Ukrainians?

      Yes, the author asked, notably. Herbert Schindler in his Mosty und Dirschau 1939 mentions the Schlesinig and the Volksdeutsche, there are no speeches about the xoxl. EMNIP, Skorzeny also did not mention the hoaxes in his memoirs in conjunction with the mission of lt Herzner. Even though it is doubtful that Lahousen would have, from the OUN scumbags, besides being beaten by the Magyars, recruit someone for this delicate mission, even if he was showing off in Poland and Hungary. And in Gleivitz, I wonder, does the xoxlak track stretch?
  13. hitech
    hitech 6 September 2015 12: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Prop
    I always (from the time of urgency) spoke, I speak and I will speak - this ethnos, under the name ukrokhokhly, should disappear from the face of the Earth, as an error in experiments on human genotypes. The result was simply inhuman .... By the way, for some reason in Kamchatka, almost the entire Government of the region and the city consists of ... Ukrainians. And miserable refugees from the outskirts (I personally did not check, but there are rumors from the city administration) they get apartments in new buildings without problems ... pushing back the waiting list


    Oh, as if you did not know that in our country the citizens of your country are provided on a residual basis. He also revealed the news to me.
  14. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 6 September 2015 13: 30 New
    0
    Questions like: Why? Why? -on this topic in my opinion did not decrease, but only increased. This is how the HISTORY has been misinterpreted and confused, it seems that one Zionist cannot be blamed for this issue, each Ruler, by virtue of his capabilities, is lying, looking for an excuse for his actions (miscalculations, shortcomings, mistakes, and improvised ..... and only a few of them real politicians, specialists who are in pain for the task entrusted, and our country is particularly successful in this (they try to rewrite the history of the Great Patriotic War almost every 5-7 years). stop lying, maybe it's time to tell the people how everything was and who really started this Second World War massacre?
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 6 September 2015 13: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      . Or maybe it’s enough to lie, maybe it’s time to tell the people how everything was and who actually started this Second World War massacre?

      there it is. I’ll tell you a terrible secret that has been hiding from you for a long time - September 1, 1939, 4.45 in the morning. The Weiss Plan. September 3, 1939 - The WB and France declare war on Germany, on the same day the colonies pulled themselves up. Well, etc., until September 2, 1945.
    2. shooter cc
      shooter cc 6 September 2015 18: 56 New
      0
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      Questions like: Why? Why? -on this topic in my opinion did not decrease, but only increased. This is how the HISTORY has been misinterpreted and confused, it seems that one Zionist cannot be blamed for this issue, each Ruler, by virtue of his capabilities, is lying, looking for an excuse for his actions (miscalculations, shortcomings, mistakes, and improvised ..... and only a few of them real politicians, specialists who are in pain for the task entrusted, and our country is particularly successful in this (they try to rewrite the history of the Great Patriotic War almost every 5-7 years). stop lying, maybe it's time to tell the people how everything was and who really started this Second World War massacre?

      So who will tell you the truth? this is the Soviet-Russian story about the Second World War, here, besides half-truths and even outright lies, no one will tell you anything, do not even hope.
  15. iouris
    iouris 6 September 2015 15: 01 New
    +1
    Not Ukrainians, but Bandera-agents of the Nazis. Ukrainians are Saakashvili and M. Gaidar. It is incorrect to consider Ivan Kozhedub, Hero of the Soviet Union, three times as Ukrainian, and the Ukrainian Front as Ukrainian.
  16. kotev19
    kotev19 6 September 2015 17: 00 New
    0
    I apologize, but Mr. Gvno always comes up first! And so, it’s already clear what kind of city it is !!! laughing