Specialists of the Russian design bureau “Luch” printed out UAVs on a 3D printer

The Director-General of the Design Bureau Luch (United Instrument-Making Corporation) Mikhail Shebakpolsky said that the company’s specialists had managed to develop and print on a 3D printer a short-range unmanned aerial vehicle, which is currently being tested, in just six weeks.

“We made a drone in the class of short-range, entirely printed on 3D-printer. It was created and already flown - at present, this UAV is located in Nizhny Tagil. The whole cycle of works from the formation of the technical task took about 1,5 a month, ”the newspaper quotes him. "Sight".

The CEO noted that specialists from the Rybinsk engine-building plant Saturn and the state corporation Rostec participated in the work on the UAV.

“The UAV was designed specifically for a 3D printer. There is still a lot to work on: the size of the device, materials for XNUMXD printing, domestic equipment. Today the wingspan drone is 2,5 meters, a go-pro camera was used as a payload,” Shebakpolsky said.

It is worth noting that recently Russian engineers are actively working on various unmanned aerial vehicles. So, during the MAKS-2015 aviation salon, the perspective Fregat drone, the ZALA 421-16Е5 operational-tactical air reconnaissance complex and the Teal airbag reconnaissance drone were presented. In addition, in 2019, the serial production of the Orion 1 drone drone will be launched.

Comments

[Byshido_dis]

Wow what a handsome man !!! Finalize and put into mass ... printing;)

[self-propelled]

Specialists of the Russian design bureau “Luch” printed out UAVs on a 3D printer

ay, where are you all-scouts? who shouted there that Russia can only trade resources?
God forbid any state to live "times of troubles" like those that Russia experienced (bend). and God forbid you, after all that mess, find the strength to "get on your feet."
I hope this (implementation of the capabilities of the 3D printer) the first swallow. further more

[siberalt]

Well done! It remains only to finalize your printer, your consumables and in series.

[Mahmut]

ay, where are you all-scouts? who shouted there that Russia can only trade resources?

And whose printer. That's when there will be its equipment, then we will rejoice.

[self-propelled]

But is there information about the model of the printer on which this product was sculpted?
only chur without common phrases, they say all the modern machine tools and appliances Russia buys for the cordon. I want fried facts, not idle talk

[Vanya Ivanov]

a detailed review of Russian 3D printers .http: //www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/? search = 3D-printer.

[Homo]

Quote: Mahmut

And whose printer. That's when there will be its equipment, then we will rejoice.

Not tired? China uses Western equipment and copies equipment and does not bother. And he does not shout at every corner "there is no one of our own, everything is lost, we are a backward country" !!!

[Iline]

Somehow all this is strange. In practice, knowing the speed at which the printer prints even small plastic parts (from several hours to several days) and a resolution of 0,15 mm (the result is rough, especially if it contains even small bending radii), I strongly doubt that all the details for this UAV were made on a 3D printer. With metals it is still much sadder. And this despite the fact that for these printers you also need to develop a drawing in electronic form (also a very long time occupation). Or am I missing something in the development of 3D printers today? Or were there several hundred of these printers in order to keep within 1,5 months?
Most likely, journalists, as usual, did not dive deep into the essence of the matter.

[Mahmut]

And this despite the fact that for these printers you also need to develop a drawing in electronic form (also a very long time lesson)

I understand it was a joke. Even at "AVTOVAZ", for "backwardness" which every second patriot likes to kick, for 15 years no one has been using drawing boards. All new drawings are in electronic form only. Having the skill of working with autocad, compass and other programs, it takes an order of magnitude less time to develop a drawing. Moreover, the program eliminates design errors. In parallel, a 3D model and a material model of the product are being created. But there is no 3D printer to print at least a bare body and is not expected.

[gozmosZh]

and until World War II, Germany purchased axes from alloy steel for remelting into the hulls of its battleships. What is it like? Krupp factories did not pull?

[slavarachkov. 28]

> And whose printer is. When we have our own equipment, then we will rejoice.

Where will we recruit people to do everything ourselves? Is that we will carry out "dekulakization", as once dispossession of kulaks). But then you need a "gulag". Which archipelago should we choose for it?)

[reut.sib]

In our vast expanses, they are very necessary. Let them be dreams, but the "black lumberjacks" and other bastards need to press their tail.

[KaPToC]

Quote: siberalt

Well done! It remains only to finalize your printer, your consumables and in series.

Here the Americans, for example, fly on someone else's titanium and do not soar, and why should this "soar" us?

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: self-propelled

ay, where are you all-scouts?

- I am not "all-out", but as long as there are no machines / printers of my own, you should not throw up your hats!

[APASUS]

Quote: self-propelled

ay, where are you, all the scatters? Who shouted there that Russia can only trade in resources? God forbid any state to live through "troubled times" similar to those that Russia experienced (bend). and God forbid you, after all that mess, find the strength to "get on your feet." I hope this (implementation of the capabilities of a 3D printer) is the first sign. further - great

What it means

“We made a drone in the short-range class, fully printed on a 3D printer.

A glider, an engine, a control system are also printed on a 3D printer, and until they press the blade of a jet engine it’s all babble. The production of materials with programmable physical properties is aerobatics, and spray from the sprayer according to the established program and build a model of the glider. ............. young technician

[Infinity]

Quote: Byshido_dis

Wow what a handsome man !!! Modify and put into mass production

Yes, 3D printer technology of the future is already in the present!
The only thing is that not all of them can be produced quickly. Some parts break quickly (like in a printed gun that breaks after a few shots).

[Voha_krim]

Quote: Byshido_dis

Wow what a handsome man !!! Finalize and put into mass ... printing;)

And we will print these beauties as sausages (according to Khrushchev) !!!

[SAG]

And we will print these beauties as sausages (according to Khrushchev) !!!

Yeah, and even according to Stalin, we’ll print a nuclear bomb ... then diapers in the US and the EU will not be enough for children

[Professor]

Quote: Byshido_dis

Wow what a handsome man !!!

Yeah. Israeli designers tried their best.

[Lawyer]

What is there to try, the usual tailless tail of which a dime a dozen.

[Sid.74]

Quote: professor

Yeah. Israeli designers tried their best.

All aircraft are similar, because the laws of physics and aerodynamics are the same for all.
And we have already heard about the "amazing" Israeli "designers", the automatic machine Galil (AK) is an example of this.

And the Israeli SUV Storm Mark I (which is a Jeep Wrangler)

[padded jacket]

The picture in the article UAV ZALA 421-16E5
The range of the video channel is 150 km
Flight Duration 6-7 h
UAV wing span 5000 mm
Maximum flight altitude 3600 m
Takeoff Pneumatic launcher
Landing Parachute and Air Shock Absorber
Engine Type Electric Pusher
Speed ​​65-110 km / h
Maximum take-off weight 29,5 kg
Target load weight up to 5 kg
ANN navigation with SNA correction, radio range finder
Target loads Type 16E + / Type 16E5
Optional Digital Camera 24MP Built-in Camera
Glider Two detachable consoles and fuselage
Maximum allowable wind speed 15 m / s
Operating temperature range -30 ° C ... + 40 ° C
Built-in automatic target tracking module
The complex is designed for air surveillance under adverse environmental conditions at any time of the day at a distance of up to 150 km with the transmission of video in real time.

http://zala.aero/bespilotnyj-samolet-zala-421-16e5/

[The brightest]

If Stirlitz suddenly swears in Russian in a secret Israeli bureau. He does not take out any suspicion of espionage ...
P.S. Israel’s entire defense industry is based on Soviet Jews. Here, rather, we need to once again make a claim to us about the privatized developments ... As in the cases with the same Galileo.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Svetly

Israel's entire defense industry rests on Soviet Jews

I would say a little differently, the entire Israeli defense industry rests on borrowing and copying ideas from all over the world (but of course the fact that the Jews were "taken out" from the USSR / Russia gave a huge boost to the Israeli military-industrial complex)

[Professor]

Quote: Sid.74

And we have already heard about the "amazing" Israeli "designers", the automatic machine Galil (AK) is an example of this.

This machine was made in Israel under license.

Quote: Sid.74

And the Israeli SUV Storm Mark I (which is a Jeep Wrangler)

This car was also manufactured in Israel under license.

And on Orbitrer-3, I do not remember that Russia acquired a license.

[Sid.74]

Quote: professor

And on Orbitrer-3, I do not remember that Russia acquired a license.

And who said this is your 3 orbiter?
The orbiter has small horns in the front of the device, our ZALA 421-16E5 does not.
Zala is Izhevsk, firm Zala aero group, so that nobody stole your unique design.

Quote: professor

This machine was made in Israel under license.

Well, yes, and who bought the license from the Finns?

[Professor]

Quote: Sid.74

The orbiter has small horns in the front of the device, our ZALA 421-16E5 does not.

Show the Hall in front.
By the way, this is not only my opinion, but also your experts. For example, Denis Fedutinov.

[Sid.74]

Quote: professor

Show the Hall in front.

No photo in front ... But in the schematic illustration from the Zala website, there are no horns.
And the talk in the media about the joint production of the UAV was about the "seeker" IAI Searcher 2 (which is an outpost)

And the collaboration was on the UAV "Zastava" (IAI Bird-Eye 400), which is a completely different song and a different design.

[Professor]

Quote: Sid.74

But in the schematic illustration from the Zala website, there are no horns.

On the image? Yes, in the picture I can draw not only horns, but also a tail with a trunk.

Quote: Sid.74

And the collaboration was on the UAV "Zastava" (IAI Bird-Eye 400), which is a completely different song and a different design.

The company Aeronautix, the one that was developed and manufactured by the Orbitrer, is now for sale. If Russia had money ...

[padded jacket]

Quote: Sid.74

There is no photograph in front .. But in the schematic drawing from the Zala website, there are no horns.

Above, I gave a video of this particular UAV (its number is clearly visible on the tail), the professor simply does not see this video since I’m in emergency, put it on your own so that he can see it.

[World Cup 2014]

Israeli designers can only copy American and Russian technology

[Samaritan]

In Rybinsk, Yaroslavl Oblast, OJSC KB Luch has opened a new building designed for serial production of unmanned aerial vehicles. More than 120 million rubles were invested in the creation of a new production.
The production building with an area of ​​2200 square meters was erected as part of the first stage of a large-scale investment project, which is being implemented on the basis of the Luch design bureau. At its facilities, it is planned to release a promising middle-class UAV Corsair, designed to monitor the situation within a radius of 120 kilometers, and a number of other short-range UAVs.

[Siberia55]

That's right, manpower must be protected. The future is for robotics!

[DobryAAH]

And if this technique is hacked and sadanut by the creator? The man will remain in the war. The pilot cannot be replaced. UAVs can only be sandwiched by IS.
The robot shot 9 soldiers
http://www.mr7.ru/articles/18280/

[little girl15]

Yes ... the further the more terrible it is to live. The enemy also has such technologies.

[Berg berg]

Good luck ! Bigger and cheaper!

[DobryAAH]

And the engine is printing? Fiction!

[Mainbeam]

and a radio control unit, and servos, and a camera

[Vanya Ivanov]

Quote: MainBeam

and a radio control unit, and servos, and a camera

No, of course, but there will be more.

[Vanya Ivanov]

PRINT AND REACTIVE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElUEaGPPn5U

[SAM 5]

And do the engine print?

Mustache print.

[PQ-18]

And the engine is printing? Fiction!

not yet, ONLY ... money and kerosene for him too!

[Voha_krim]

Quote: SAM 5

And do the engine print?

Mustache print.

If electric motors: - steel cores, copper winding, batteries ... hardly. Unless separate nodes.

[shinobi]

We’ve been printing rocket engine cases and turbo-generating units for about 15 years already. A drone glider will be easier.

[vovanpain]

But when, after all, when we want, we can. Young people are fellow countrymen.

[Prussian]

It becomes uninteresting to live, the dream comes down to having a printer, the decline of civilization will happen when 3-d printers, learn to print 3-d printers.

[Taygerus]

cool, nothing to say

[kil 31]

It was created and already flew - at present this UAV is in Nizhny Tagil. At the exhibition, for sale. I would like characteristics.

[Vanya Ivanov]

3D printing is in the future as they can reproduce themselves. We do not develop this topic badly. http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/? search = 3D-printer.
I watched a video where ours created a 3D printer printing with plastic fiber reinforced with carbon fiber. So the details are much stronger and lighter than steel ones. Maybe UAVs were blinded on this printer.

[askort154]

MainBeam ...... Disposable or what?

Disposable works in an aggressive environment and therefore often breaks, and this one is in the vastness of nature. Good luck!

[Haettenschweiler]

Nothing is said about the characteristics of this UAV.
Nothing is said about how much it was necessary to "modify the file" after printing - it cannot be that the printer "draws" the device at once with all the necessary filling.
Nothing is said about the price of such a "toy", printed on a printer, in comparison with the same, for example, assembled "the old fashioned way".
But all this would be very interesting.

[gladysheff2010]

Class! It remains only to learn how to create your own printers, without "partners".

[Professor]

Quote: gladysheff2010

Class! It remains only to learn how to create your own printers, without "partners".

Even schoolchildren make a printer today. The whole problem is in the print media.

[Iline]

Quote: professor

Even schoolchildren make a printer today. The whole problem is in the print media.

I confirm. There is nothing very complicated to assemble the printer itself with the appropriate education, and there is nothing super complicated in these printers. But the materials for him - yes ...

[roskot]

Fly doves fly
There are no obstacles for you anywhere.
Carry doves, carry
Hello ukrovoekam.

[vlad7777kul]

Such UAVs must be put up for sale as toys.

[slavaisrael]

In the meantime, welcome to the real world.

The Russian Ministry of Defense purchased 10 more Forpost unmanned aerial vehicles this year, which are IAI's Israeli Searcher MkII UAVs assembled in Russia under a license at the Ural Civil Aviation Plant, the Russian newspaper Vedomosti reported. a manager of aviation industry enterprises; and an interlocutor close to the Russian military department. The representative of "Oboronprom" refrained from commenting, it was not possible to receive comments from the Ministry of Defense and the IAI, the publication says.

According to the source, the amount of the transaction concluded this year is approximately $ 300 million.
According to the Russian expert in the field of unmanned systems Denis Fedutinov, in Russia there is no unmanned complex similar in size to the Forpost complex. Speaking about the closest competitors, he mentioned two developments that are now being carried out in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense: a lighter UAV than the Outpost, created by KB Luch (part of the Vega concern controlled by Rostec), with a mass about 200 kg (versus 430 kg for "Outpost") - and a heavier drone weighing about 1 ton, which is being developed by the company "Kronstadt" (formerly called "Transas"). However, both of these systems are still in the early stages of testing and it will take several more years before the start of their mass production. Meanwhile, "Forpost", obviously, turned out to be in great demand by the Russian military, who are currently actively exploiting it, which is probably the reason for additional purchases.
The UAV "Outpost" in June this year was presented at the exhibition "Army-2015" held in Kubinka near Moscow. At the same time it was reported that it was planned to carry out modernization work in three stages. At the first stage, which is already being implemented now, it is planned to create the Forpost-M modification. The new version of the UAV will be equipped with a GLONASS-based navigation system. Also, the device will receive a new secure communication line and a state identification system. At the same time, the updated UAV will be somewhat heavier than the original - its take-off weight will be about 500 kg.

At the second stage of work, it is planned to create a version of "Forpost-R". It will differ in the presence of data relay equipment from the Forpost and Orlan UAVs, as well as from the Azart radio stations. Also, on board the UAV will be installed electronic reconnaissance equipment (RTR) with a range of up to 250 km. In addition, this version will be equipped with the necessary equipment to interact with the air traffic control system (ATC).
At the third stage, it is planned to create a modernized and deeply localized version of the UAV. In particular, it is planned to equip the UAV with new reconnaissance and surveillance equipment, including a digital aerial photography system (CAFS) and side-view radar. The payload equipment is supposed to be installed in a universal compartment inside the fuselage (up to 35 kg), as well as in containers on an external sling (up to 14 kg). At this stage, it is supposed to switch to the use of diagnostic tools and maintenance of Russian production.

According to the Russian expert in the field of unmanned systems Denis Fedutinov, plans to modernize the "Outpost" and localize its individual components emerged a couple of years ago. "Such plans existed, and they fit into the usual practice for such cases, but the current situation with the sanctions in force against Russia only stimulated this process," Fedutinov believes. At the same time, according to him, the given list of works is most likely incomplete.

[slavaisrael]

Recall that at the end of 2013, the Ural Civil Aviation Plant completed a contract for the assembly of Searcher MkII and BirdEye 400 unmanned systems developed by the Israeli company Israel Aerospace Industries, commissioned by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

The contract for the assembly of unmanned systems was concluded in 2010 by the Russian corporation Oboronprom and the Israeli company IAI. Its cost was $ 400 million. The UZGA plant, partly owned by Oboronprom, was chosen as the production site. Previously, this company was mainly engaged in the repair of aircraft engines.
The "drone deal" with Israel has sparked controversy in Russia. This decision has been repeatedly criticized by a number of Russian politicians and aviation experts. Israel has abandoned a deal to supply Russia with more modern, including attack UAVs. In 2012, after a change in the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Russian media wrote about the possible completion of cooperation between Israel and Russia in the field of unmanned aerial vehicles. The new Minister of Defense of Russia Sergei Shoigu said then that from now on, priority will be given to equipment from Russian manufacturers. But cooperation with the Israeli concern IAI continued.

Military-technical cooperation with Russia has raised and raises many questions in Israel. This is primarily due to the fact that Moscow continues to supply arms to Iran and Syria. At the same time, Tehran is showing particular interest in UAV technologies, developing its own production of this technology. Iranian UAVs have been repeatedly used by the Lebanese Hezbollah against Israel. During Operation Unbreakable Rock (summer 2014), the simplest UAVs (including the "kamikaze drone") were first used by the Hamas terrorist organization in real combat conditions. In addition, there are persistent rumors about tests of Russian UAVs in combat conditions in Syria (Moscow categorically denies these rumors). Against this background, Israel refuses Russian proposals for the joint production of modern attack UAVs

[Jan Ivanov]

It is very convenient to print in parts as needed. In parts of the future, of course. ) I hope not very far.

[commander]

Quote: self-propelled

Specialists of the Russian design bureau “Luch” printed out UAVs on a 3D printer

ay, where are you all-scouts? who shouted there that Russia can only trade resources?
God forbid any state to live "times of troubles" like those that Russia experienced (bend). and God forbid you, after all that mess, find the strength to "get on your feet."
I hope this (implementation of the capabilities of the 3D printer) the first swallow. further more

I’ll add, Live the troubled times and get on your feet in such a short period of time, no country in the world has been able to.

For a long time I want to ask, this site may not be the topic. So do we need a firearm in free sale or not?

[ilya_oz]

I don't want to hear anything about drones until they hit

[samurai way]

In China, 2 large construction companies print houses. Cheap and fast. One of the developers is our compatriot from Belgorod. Now living and working abroad is not profitable for our construction companies. Ps. About the printout of a gunshot in the United States, probably already everyone knows ...

[Igor Polovodov]

Futuristic image, in the spirit of unrivaled leadership !!!
Gopro in the furnace, you need to develop your own optics! The benefit of the Krasnogorsk plant them. S.A. Zvereva is on guard of the fatherland to this day !!!

[RiverVV]

When the Russians were told what electric welding was, they built the T-34. When they were provided with tape, they launched a man into space. A computer with a 3D printer was shown to them in vain.

[Kaiten]

Let's have less imagination. Only a plastic case can print. All other nodes: engine, cameras, electronics must be separately purchased and installed. But it is they who make the drone a military machine. Without them, the airplane is not much different from the pioneer crafts of model aircraft circles. It is not clear why printing, when at any serious airline there are machines and molds for the production of body panels. The use of molds significantly reduces the cost of the process, speeds it up and allows you to make it massive. 3D printers allow the construction of different parts on the same equipment, but if you produce the same part on a 3D printer, then it will certainly lose the press. Therefore, 3D printers are used for small-scale production, at universities, design bureaus, or even just in the household.

[AlNikolaich]

So, apparently, the first pre-production sample was printed ... The main thing is that a mathematical
model, and embodied in the material. If everything is successful, then the mold is already pressed.

[Kaiten]

Quote: AlNikolaich

So, apparently, the first pre-production sample was printed ... The main thing is that a mathematical
model, and embodied in the material. If everything is successful, then the mold is already pressed.

Then you need to write as it is: a team of aircraft engineers and programmers created a computer model of a drone that allows you to print the details of the case on a 3D printer.
By the way, for the production of molds, this computer model will be of little use. Mold production is a very highly specialized field with special equipment with its highly specialized software.

[Crown]

Quote: professor

Quote: Byshido_dis

Wow what a handsome man !!!

Yeah. Israeli designers tried their best.

And Israeli designers come from the USSR)))) The Soviet education system is the best in the world!

[Professor]

Quote: Krona

And Israeli designers come from the USSR)))) The Soviet education system is the best in the world!

Yeah. In 1987, they created their fighter retroactively since they began to move to Israel only in 1991. And the tank was made in general in 1979. Wonders.

[Professor]

By the way:
The Russian army will continue to purchase Israeli-made drones

A contract was signed for the supply of 10 new complexes in the amount of approximately $ 300 million

[Sid.74]

Quote: professor

A contract was signed for the supply of 10 new complexes in the amount of approximately $ 300 million

Well this statements, lied as always. Here and read:

The representative of Oboronprom refrained from commenting; it was not possible to receive comments from the Ministry of Defense and IAI.

And some unknown interlocutor confirmed ...
Moreover, the statement was made by the Israeli side that year, saying that you would not have any drones because of Russia's position on Syria, Iran and Ukraine.

[Professor]

Quote: Sid.74

Moreover, the statement was made by the Israeli side that year, saying that you would not have any drones because of Russia's position on Syria, Iran and Ukraine.

There were no such statements.

[Sid.74]

Quote: professor

There were no such statements.

“We could have received billions of dollars from Russia,” the official said. In addition, he noted the "unique opportunity" of Moscow to influence the strategic positions of Israel in the region through ties with hostile states such as Iran and Syria. But, added the source of Defense News, "we must take care of the concerns of the United States," RIA Novosti reports.
......
Currently, a $ 400 million contract between Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and OPK Oboronprom for the production in Russia of unmanned aerial vehicles based on Israeli designs is at the final stage of implementation.
......
At the same time, the tension that has arisen around the situation in Ukraine makes Israel shy away from concluding new high-profile deals. Defense News sources point out vague delays in the implementation of the framework agreement between the Russian Federation and Israel on space cooperation.
http://www.trend.az/world/israel/2280611.html

[Professor]

Quote: Sid.74

http://www.trend.az/world/israel/2280611.html

Have you sent me a link to an Azerbaijani site that links to an Israeli site that links to an anonymous official? I believe.

[Termit1309]

Quote: professor

By the way:
The Russian army will continue to purchase Israeli-made drones

A contract was signed for the supply of 10 new complexes in the amount of approximately $ 300 million

Well, you have to invent something in this world.

[Professor]

Quote: Termit1309

Well, you have to invent something in this world.

We have no problems with this. We earn as some brain pumping hydrocarbons from the bowels.

Here are just the news for this week:
Israeli company that created a minimally invasive heart valve replacement system sold for $ 1 billion


Intel introduced a new generation of processors developed in Israel

[Termit1309]

Happy for you. How is YOUR 5th generation fighter program doing, how many nuclear submarines YOU laid this year, how many ships of rank 2-3 are built on your slipways ..... Although, okay, you won’t understand my humor. The professor does not need to puff and puff out his cheeks. The States at one time took licenses from Sweden for RPGs and Italy for pistols. And no one in the States did not sprinkle ashes on his head - we say poor. And no one in Italy and Sweden poked the United States, they can’t do normal pestles and borders. And as for brains and hydrocarbons, I would shut up, it’s ridiculous to listen to this from a country living on a subsidy from the USA

[Professor]

Quote: Termit1309

How is YOUR fifth generation fighter program going, how many nuclear submarines YOU have laid this year, how many ships of rank 5-2 are being built on your stocks ....

The fifth generation fighter is under construction, we do not need nuclear submarines (the Dead Sea has already died), like the ships listed by you.

Quote: Termit1309

The professor does not need to puff and puff out his cheeks.

Do not be so self-critical.

Quote: Termit1309

The States at one time took licenses from Sweden for RPGs and Italy for pistols. And no one in the States did not sprinkle ashes on his head - we say poor.

That's for sure. Americans calmly buy Carl Gustav and do not shout about import substitution. Maybe they just don’t have Rogozin and la la la?

Quote: Termit1309

And as for brains and hydrocarbons, I would shut up, it’s ridiculous to listen to this from a country living on a subsidy from the USA

Are you talking to yourself? In 2013, bourgeoisie swelled $ 94 billion into Russia. We don’t have to dream of such a thing.

[leon1204id]

They printed on a 3D printer because used design programs. In the Sukhoi Design Bureau for about 15 years, these programs began to be done. That is, they greatly facilitated the design work and did not bathe about foreign engines and parts. Of course, other production equipment is needed in the series. Have you seen how coins are stamped in the mint? Somehow like this.
Of course, you can listen to music written by a bot ......

[Termit1309]

Quote: professor

Fifth generation fighter is being built

Built but not by you. By the way, I noticed that many debaters, as it were, do not see the difference between their country and the USA. If they do something there, we do it. If they are measured, they add all US troops to their armed forces.
That's for sure. Americans calmly buy Carl Gustav and do not shout about import substitution. Maybe they just don’t have Rogozin and la la la?
Shouting occasionally. When Congress recalls that they buy engines for their rockets from us.
And I don’t understand your irony about import substitution. Engines for airplanes, helicopters, ships must do in the country. How did your toys with your kosher fighter end? You simply indicated your place and were denied engines on it. Well, the Chinese out of kindness bought.
Are you talking to yourself? In 2013, bourgeoisie swelled $ 94 billion into Russia. We don’t have to dream of such a thing. sad
But from this place in more detail, when did the bourgeoisie donate to us, how did they give you money?

[Professor]

Quote: Termit1309

Built but not by you.

Of course with us. We make wings, our avionics, software.

Quote: Termit1309

Shouting occasionally. When Congress recalls that they buy engines for their rockets from us.

They never shout about purchasing from partners, and Russia is not a partner.

Quote: Termit1309

How did your toys with your kosher fighter end? You simply indicated your place and were denied engines on it. Well, the Chinese out of kindness bought.

Who refused? In your engine, the reason for the closure of Lavi?

Quote: Termit1309

But from this place in more detail, when did the bourgeoisie donate to us, how did they give you money?

Then when to us.

[dakty]

Quote: professor

We have no problems with this. We earn as some brain pumping hydrocarbons from the bowels.

Fortunately, we have something to "download"! And you???
And with the brains we have everything exactly. Remind me how many space rockets per year you launch? How much, how much ???

[Professor]

Quote: dakty

Fortunately, we have something to "download"! And you???

Unfortunately there is.

Quote: dakty

And with the brains we have everything exactly.

Happy for you. So falling oil prices will not affect you in any way. It already reflects on us - gasoline is constantly getting cheaper.

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Remind me how many space rockets per year you launch? How much, how much ???

As much as there is a need. We do not have astronauts, but we satisfy the needs for spy satellites and communication satellites.

PS
You all wrote it on whose computer? In Chinese with an American processor? Here I am about that. Enjoy the fruits of civilization.

[dakty]

I did not expect another answer. You then probably write on an Israeli computer! And your phone is domestic. When something you can’t simply say that it is not necessary. Ships, missiles, airplanes - this is progress and is created for the development of mankind. And you create what? Only that which kills. Ito, half copied, and half improved, but did not create. What do you think requires more brains: build a rocket or a drone? ...

[Professor]

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I did not expect another answer. You then probably write on an Israeli computer! And your phone is domestic. When something you can’t simply say that it is not necessary. Ships, missiles, airplanes - this is progress and is created for the development of mankind.

I have a Chinese computer, a processor of domestic design and production. The phone is Korean, but with Israeli technologies. Today even technologically backward countries such as Iran are making ships, missiles, and airplanes. Here "progressive" Palestinians make rockets in general on their knees.

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. And you create what? Only that which kills.

Not only. Here are just the news for this week:
Israeli company that created a minimally invasive heart valve replacement system sold for $ 1 billion


Intel introduced a new generation of processors developed in Israel

Quote: dakty

Ito, half copied, and half improved, but did not create.

Half copied and half improved? Right Sue us for plagiarism.

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What do you think requires more brains: build a rocket or a drone? ...

I think that a drone. Missiles are made by everyone and everything, from Palestinians, North Koreans to Persians with Pakistanis. But the club of drone manufacturers is still exclusive.

[dakty]

Quote: professor

Quote: dakty
What do you think requires more brains: build a rocket or a drone? ...
I think that a drone. Missiles are made by everyone and everything, from Palestinians, North Koreans to Persians with Pakistanis. But the club of drone manufacturers is still exclusive.

After these your words I have nothing to add. Of course, it is easier to create a rocket engine and all modules than a model airplane (which I did as a child in an airplane modeling circle), and control, take-off, docking programs, etc. simpler than software and communication equipment for 100-500 km for an airplane.
There is nothing to argue about! And these "all and sundry" do not climb out of space looking.

[Professor]

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There is nothing to argue about!

Right Arabs rockets in garages riveting including their engines, and Russia buys drones from Israel.

[dakty]

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Arabs rockets in garages rive including their engines

Do not distort, professor, you understand what kind of missiles we are talking about ...

[Professor]

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Do not distort, professor, you understand what kind of missiles we are talking about ...

What about? To send astronauts to Mars?
If you are talking about the ability to launch a satellite, then this was done by such technologically "advanced" countries as India, Iran and North Korea. But Germany did not start. Do you know why? Right. Did not want.

[Dazdranagon]

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If you are talking about the ability to launch a satellite, then this was done by such technologically "advanced" countries as India, Iran and North Korea. But Germany did not start. Do you know why? Right. Did not want.

- here you have the logic ... And imagine that on ALL of your spy satellites (which you wrote about above that you have enough) is a small killer of satellites, posed by the launching country. And if necessary, you remain blind. Is a drone hard to shoot down, by the way?

[Professor]

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And imagine that ALL of your spy satellites (which you wrote about above that you have enough) have a small satellite killer posed by a launching country.

Fantasy. Launcher (I hope Israel doesn’t bookmark itself ) asks the customer to go out for a smoke and secretly fastens the destruction unit to the customer’s satellite.

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Is a drone hard to shoot down, by the way?

And you ask General Shamanov. He will tell you.

[Termit1309]

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Of course with us. We make wings, our avionics, software.

Well, yes, India, too, is struts and beautiful decorations on our fighter is going to do. Why are you cooler?

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They never shout about purchasing from partners, and Russia is not a partner.

What are you partners with us? Such "partners" as Lyosha Gorbunkova for the trunk and the museum.

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Who refused? In your engine, the reason for the closure of Lavi?

Yes, you were denied engine supplies, and you shut up. Without an engine from F-15,16, Lavi cannot be built. The Chinese, our Russian, could find an analog. Our Chinese will refuse and your project will bark there. If so technically competent, find an analogue other than Russian or State.

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Then when to us.

And every year they give you poverty. So that they obeyed and ate porridge.

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Right Arabs rockets in garages riveting including their engines, and Russia buys drones from Israel.

And some Alef recently said that the Arabs did not make rockets for a long time, but they bought ready-made hailstones and tornadoes in Libya. Russians have not otherwise violated Libyan statehood so that rockets appear on the black market

But Germany did not start. Do you know why? Correctly. Did not want.
And Luxenburg did not want to. And Papua New Guinea said we can easily, but too lazy for us.

[Professor]

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Well, yes, India, too, is struts and beautiful decorations on our fighter is going to do. Why are you cooler?

Glad for the Indians. Gather, well, let them gather. We are doing wings on the F-35 and other nyashki.

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What are you partners with us? Such "partners" as Lyosha Gorbunkova for the trunk and the museum.

Very clever saying. The main topic and with deep meaning.

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Yes, you were denied engine supplies, and you shut up. Without an engine from F-15,16, Lavi cannot be built.

Who refused? On what engines did Lavi fly? What engines did kfir fly on? What was the closure of the Lavi program? Who specifically closed it?

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If so technically competent, find an analogue other than Russian or State.

What engine was Lavi designed for?

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And every year they give you poverty. So that they obeyed and ate porridge.

If we have 3 billion in poverty, then what do you call the 94 billion that you received?

Quote: Termit1309

And some Alef recently said that the Arabs did not make rockets for a long time, but they bought ready-made hailstones and tornadoes in Libya. Russians have not otherwise violated Libyan statehood so that rockets appear on the black market

And giving Vasya in the garage says that ...

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And Luxenburg did not want to. And Papua New Guinea said we can easily, but too lazy for us.

Germany has many technologically advanced homelands of elephants, and even richer and the only reason why it does not have its own launch vehicle is the lack of desire.

[Termit1309]

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If we have 3 billion in poverty, then what do you call the 94 billion that you received?

In addition to your words, is there somewhere else information on the allocation of this amount as financial assistance to the Russian Federation?

Who refused? On what engines did Lavi fly? What engines did kfir fly on? What was the closure of the Lavi program? Who specifically closed it?
Both that and that on American.
Cabinet of Ministers of Israel. Do you know those?

[Professor]

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In addition to your words, is there somewhere else information on the allocation of this amount as financial assistance to the Russian Federation?

Of course have. Will the Kremlin press service suit you?
http://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/2013-Russia-attractiveness-survey-Eng/$

FILE / 2013-Russia-attractiveness-survey-Eng.pdf

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Both that and that on American.

Who refused?
What engines did Lavi fly on? What engine was it designed for?
What engines did kfir fly on? Whose production?
What was the closure of the Lavi program?
Who specifically closed it?