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Victory Parade in Beijing as an indicator of changes in the world

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On the Victory Parade in Beijing will be written dozens, if not hundreds of articles. The authors will talk about the Russian-Chinese relations, about problems in the economic sphere, about some cooling of the PRC to some joint projects. People really are actively interested in this issue.




We watched the parade. Live. Because it was really interesting. And got a hefty portion of impressions. Even the lack of translation did not stop.

The first thing that caught my eye was the meeting of the leaders before the parade. The number of officials who came to congratulate the PRC is huge, 49 countries. And, according to tradition, the Chinese leader should personally meet and greet all of the guests. So the ceremony, frankly, tedious.

However, from the very first minutes it became clear who is who for modern China. Vladimir Putin arrived last and was greeted in the most cordial way. It was evident that there are more than just state leaders. There are friends, or at least good and good acquaintances. The same attitude was demonstrated by the leaders of Belarus, Kazakhstan and some other countries.

Why are we so closely followed precisely the beginning, the meeting. Nothing is done in diplomacy just like that. Any step of the policy of this level is verified to the millimeter. Any word thought out. There can be no impromptu. Especially for the eastern, Chinese mentality. The conclusion that can be made before the start of the parade, relations between China and the Russian Federation are important for both countries. And perhaps in the near future we may see some kind of “revolutionary” breakthroughs in this relationship.

It also draws attention to how many leaders of Latin American countries arrived on the feast. First persons arrived. This is also an interesting indicator of interest. China, like Russia, also looks at the region with interest. And not just looking, but activates his position with regard to Latin American countries.

At the same time, the position of the United States, Japan and Europe is not clear. Ignoring such an event or participating by delegations of minor persons means that they either refuse to cooperate or admit defeat. Although such behavior on the part of Japan is somewhat justified. Historically. Merkel didn’t come to Russia on 9 May either.

I do not want to make far-reaching conclusions, but it seems that the world is more and more splitting. There is no longer any unipolarity. There is a block led by the USA and the block of China. I really wanted to write to Russia, but objectively, the leader is still China. We really hope so far.

Moreover, it becomes clear that everything that has recently "shaken" the global economy. We mean the Chinese stock market crisis. The collapse of the Chinese stock exchange has caused a collapse in all the exchanges of the world. But somehow, not according to the laws of the market economy, this “collapse” occurred. And ended "lawlessly." Clearly on the 1,9% drop.

Economists are puzzled over what caused the crisis and what caused the fall to stop. The conclusion, from the point of view of amateurs, is simple. China has shown to the financial "tycoons" of the world that it has leverage on the global financial system and will not allow games that are disadvantageous to China.

Many analysts argued about what the Chinese would show at the parade. The intrigue remained until the last moment. Some experts said that the secrecy of the Chinese would not allow them to show new weapon. Others talked about wanting to show the power of the country. Desire to show what a huge breakthrough the country has made in the years since the Second World War.

The parade showed not just the strength of the Chinese army. The parade showed what the old joke about "aviation will not - the pilot fell ill, "is no longer relevant. The Chinese did not just copy weapons and equipment. They very correctly used new knowledge to create their weapons. And the interest expressed by leaders of other states in the arming of the PRC army indicates the emergence of a new potential arms exporter able to oust competitors from this market.

In addition, the parade showed the leaders of the competing countries, especially those who consider themselves the world "hegemones", that the Chinese will not allow pressure force and "saber-rattling" is fraught. There is something to answer.

Thus, we got an interesting situation in the global confrontation. NATO as a military organization is practically neutralized by the Russian army. And the American army, as in the last war, is blocked in the Pacific region. Only now, not by Japan, but by China. The military component is more or less aligned. What is to some extent a guarantee of security. The “hot heads” of the Western and American generals “cool down” perfectly on the sight of a powerful opponent’s fist.

These are the conclusions that come to mind after the Victory Parade in Beijing. Maybe strange, but ... Global changes are coming, and the rate of change is increasing every day. What they will lead to is not yet clear. I would not like to hold associations with the past. The hope remains that the world today still remembers the outcome of world wars.

And the quality of the parade is not inferior to ours. Beautiful, bright, numerous.
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  1. Goga101
    Goga101 4 September 2015 05: 36 New
    +36
    The Chinese continued with dignity - at first our parade was on 09.05. now their parade is really no worse than ours good ... not in joy it's all to the “partners” oh not in joy wink
    1. 222222
      222222 4 September 2015 09: 00 New
      +21
      No comment - no comment.
    2. qwert
      qwert 4 September 2015 15: 12 New
      +8
      I, too, for a strong alliance with China. But at the same time, I understand that the Chinese leadership will act exclusively in the interests of China. And if the interests of Russia and China overlap in some ways, especially in terms of territories and resources, a strong alliance may not just collapse.

      The ideal option for friendship with China is when Russia as an older and stronger brother.
      1. alone
        alone 4 September 2015 19: 08 New
        0
        Quote: qwert
        The ideal option for friendship with China is when Russia as an older and stronger brother.


        Do you think China will do this?)))))
        1. Ordynec1
          Ordynec1 4 September 2015 22: 44 New
          -4
          He will. Someone will have to make concessions. Putin will certainly not concede.
          1. Igor K
            Igor K 5 September 2015 14: 52 New
            +4
            You do not understand the psychology of the Chinese, they are inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom and that is how they present themselves.
            Nationalists be healthy, you need to be very careful with them.
            1. tot843
              tot843 6 September 2015 13: 52 New
              +2
              It is necessary to conduct a dialogue with China from the position of taking into account the mutually beneficial interests with a bias towards our geopolitical and economic priorities.
              The Chinese understand and feel the world alignment well. And in this case it is not in our interests. At that moment they use it when discussing political and economic projects. Our negotiators should clearly know and understand the "party policy" as they would say under the USSR!
            2. Legionnaire14
              Legionnaire14 6 September 2015 14: 05 New
              0
              Quote: Ordynec1
              He will. Someone will have to make concessions. Putin will certainly not concede.

              For what we minus.
          2. rosarioagro
            rosarioagro 5 September 2015 15: 34 New
            -4
            Quote: Ordynec1
            Putin will definitely not concede.

            That he needs China, and not vice versa
            1. YLTHEN
              YLTHEN 6 September 2015 11: 57 New
              +2
              I think that the situation in the world is such, and until the United States settles down, the friendship of Russia and China is mutually beneficial!
          3. go21zd45few
            go21zd45few 6 September 2015 14: 19 New
            +1
            And maybe it’s enough for us to act as an older brother, for 70 years we have acted and what happened, an older brother was blown away. It's time to learn to conduct a dialogue on an equal basis respecting and defending our interests and respecting the interests of partners.
        2. ochakow703
          ochakow703 6 September 2015 19: 42 New
          +1
          No, China will not do that. But we need to catch flies ourselves, and to develop science and industry.
      2. Colonellee
        Colonellee 4 September 2015 20: 21 New
        +5
        This was already under the Soviet Union. I remember it ended with the Daman conflict. Of course, there are no equal relations in an ideal relationship. Russia must remember its interests and watch over China. The difficulty is that we need an ally and an alliance with China also falls within the scope of our interests. But in this area there are many other interests that are not always combined with China. The art of politics is to find a balance between these sometimes mutually exclusive interests.
        1. tot843
          tot843 6 September 2015 13: 56 New
          0
          Of course, not only China is full of peace. Russia needs to work more closely with opponents of China-Vietnam, India. It is necessary to make China-Russia constantly need to understand how Vietnam and India are needed. It must maintain a balance FAVORABLE FOR THE RUSSIAN NATION AND THE STATE.
      3. tot843
        tot843 6 September 2015 13: 51 New
        +2
        And Russia needs to strive for this alignment! China is like a steam locomotive that runs faster than Russia in a song. And this is alarming. I have repeatedly noted that it is necessary to conduct a dialogue with China from the position of taking into account the mutually beneficial interests with a roll on our geopolitical and economic priorities. And don't bend!
        The Chinese understand and feel the world alignment well. And in this case it is not in our interests. At that moment they use it when discussing political and economic projects. Our negotiators should clearly know and understand the "party policy" as they would say under the USSR! This is my comment briefly.
  2. Igor K
    Igor K 4 September 2015 05: 55 New
    +41
    It is very indicative that foreign agencies presented the picture of the Chinese leader diligently "pulling" Putin out of the shot, and ssat tsuki bring to the layman a real picture of relations between China and Russia in the person of our leaders.
    So the way of cooperation is chosen correctly.
    1. 4 wheels
      4 wheels 4 September 2015 11: 53 New
      +12
      Quote: Igor K
      how foreign agencies filed a picture

      In another way, they do not know how.
      Cut or not show the essence - this is their "correct and democratic" vision of the situation!
      Only then their layman will be greatly surprised:
      "Why is it that the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China are all very friendly somehow? ... Not all good, not good ..."
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 6 September 2015 14: 40 New
        0
        Quote...
        Only then their layman will be greatly surprised:
        "Why is it that the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China are all very friendly somehow? ... Not all good, not good ..."

        Yes, together we, together!
        A joint of five Chinese Navy ships discovered this week off the coast of Alaska crossed the border of US territorial waters, The Pentagon told The Wall Street Journal, citing an official Pentagon source. This is a twelve-mile zone, the newspaper said, but the Chinese behaved in accordance with the international rule for the peaceful passage of warships through territorial waters.
        The Chinese Ministry of Defense also officially confirmed for the first time that we are talking about ships that took part in joint exercises with Russia on August 25. However, this is the usual continuation of the study tour, not directed against any country, the ministry emphasized.
    2. Ordynec1
      Ordynec1 4 September 2015 22: 45 New
      0
      Well, smart people on the internet have spied everything from different angles. In the course of what and how.
  3. sagitch
    sagitch 4 September 2015 05: 58 New
    +11
    There is something for the Americans to think about! For some reason I even gloat!
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 4 September 2015 07: 39 New
      +6
      Why gloat something? No one has been threatening China militarily for a long time. Well this is suicide with so many people getting involved. Americans, and even more so - this is their factory and holder of debt obligations. And what is beautiful, yes.
      1. dudinets
        dudinets 4 September 2015 08: 41 New
        +6
        in the thirties, the Japanese got in touch and had success. but China was alone. Mongolia was defended under the Khalkin Gol. so China understands the importance of a strong and decisive ally.
      2. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 4 September 2015 15: 27 New
        0
        As I read such an example a long time ago, in my opinion it’s not entirely correct, but still.
        -If you shoot from the Chinese machine gun (taking into account those born) to the last Chinese, then it will take 140 years!
        1. Ordynec1
          Ordynec1 4 September 2015 22: 46 New
          0
          This is if with one machine gun. There are more effective methods. They were used during provocations in 1969.
        2. ermolai
          ermolai 5 September 2015 04: 04 New
          0
          Quote: 16112014nk
          If you shoot from the Chinese machine gun

          and which machine gun system? for example, take a six-barrel like the terminator had a caliber of 12.7? DShK? or ShKAS? and there’s also something like a “shilka”
          1. Shishiga
            Shishiga 6 September 2015 20: 53 New
            0
            and which machine gun system? for example, take a six-barrel like the terminator had a caliber of 12.7? DShK? or ShKAS? and there’s also something like a “shilka”


            No matter what it is - overheating of the trunks is ensured, and nobody canceled the wear - they will crush the mass
    2. pramert
      pramert 6 September 2015 09: 09 New
      0
      But gloating is not worth it! 3rd world if units begin to survive ....
  4. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 4 September 2015 06: 12 New
    +17
    Whoever would say about China, but drill training is simply amazing! And the parade was filmed was highly artistic. A sight for sore eyes! But the technique, it seems, is at least 40 percent props.
    But, by the way, I was just pecked as an illiterate when, in topics about aircraft carriers, I talked about the possibility of creating anti-ship ballistic missiles. And the Chinese did! Are we dumber than them?
    1. Igor K
      Igor K 4 September 2015 08: 57 New
      +6
      The drill-line among the Chinese is not bad, when compared with other peoples, it’s good. But at the knee, the leg is bent, the Russians march better.
      1. Alexey1
        Alexey1 4 September 2015 13: 26 New
        +9
        They bend their knees so that the drill step is smooth without hesitation in the box.
        1. Igor K
          Igor K 4 September 2015 15: 12 New
          0
          Because they cannot bend, the Russian soldier, the parade ground, then knows well from the time of Peter the Great and therefore does not bend his leg in the knee.
      2. pramert
        pramert 6 September 2015 09: 21 New
        +1
        going into the ranks only accustoms to discipline and this is not an indicator of the ability to fight !!! Remember the war with Finland, for example. Did marching help a lot of our fighters who were killed there? I served in the SA 85-87 Chukotka Air Force and by my own example I want to note that drill training, brought to the point of absurdity! to insanity! in no way increases the country's combat readiness ...
    2. KERTAK
      KERTAK 4 September 2015 09: 28 New
      +4
      nuclear anti-ship missiles. it’s not even necessary to fly close to the ship. th ** zero at a distance of 500 m or 1000 m from the ship and this, there are no boats.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 September 2015 11: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: armored optimist
      But, by the way, I was just pecked as an illiterate when, in topics about aircraft carriers, I talked about the possibility of creating anti-ship ballistic missiles. And the Chinese did! Are we dumber than them?

      THE USSR. The beginning of the 70s. Anti-ship SLBM R-27K.
      1. Ordynec1
        Ordynec1 4 September 2015 22: 49 New
        0
        There are modern, all sorts of "Bastions", etc.
    4. Igor K
      Igor K 4 September 2015 15: 05 New
      +2
      We have had great achievements in this field in the USSR, which we have temporarily abandoned due to insufficient space satellite constellation.
      Because Chinese missiles strongly resemble our "poplars," I admit that technology on the subject of "ballistic missiles against augs" flowed to the Chinese from us.
      Therefore, we are smarter than them. dubious technologies do not use in sun.
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 4 September 2015 18: 15 New
        0
        Right? But isn't it because of the low accuracy that only had to use the SBN and the passive guidance system?
        1. Igor K
          Igor K 5 September 2015 00: 53 New
          0
          Low accuracy due to insufficient information for guidance, this is a consequence of the insufficient space satellite constellation at the time of the decision on this project in the USSR.
          Perhaps this problem can be solved today. technology has gone ahead.
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    5. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 4 September 2015 15: 08 New
      0
      By plus sign to all who answered. I agree with everyone.
    6. Ordynec1
      Ordynec1 4 September 2015 22: 48 New
      0
      We have different anti-ship weapons. Donald Cook is in the know.
    7. brelok
      brelok 5 September 2015 06: 10 New
      0
      Quote: armored optimist
      And the Chinese did! Are we dumber than them?

      Licked our development of the mid-eighties and correctly implemented. Not so long ago, knowledgeable people spoke about this on TV. The hunchback didn’t give us
  5. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 4 September 2015 06: 15 New
    +18
    We noticed how the leader of China stood, was clearly proud, and if you look, there was something to be proud of ..
    At this parade, it seems a line has been determined - who is with whom
    Only now, Americans can really worry - the long-term fear of the Russia-China union has become a reality
    1. Ordynec1
      Ordynec1 4 September 2015 22: 50 New
      0
      Germany would still be added to this alliance, and with shaving, they would generally be able to cope for themselves.
  6. tyzyaga
    tyzyaga 4 September 2015 06: 17 New
    +3
    This is still just propaganda. It seems to me that if the unipolar world breaks at the seams, it is unlikely that the Americans will just surrender like the USSR ... That is, either our world is not anyone!
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 4 September 2015 06: 41 New
      +8
      Yes, the story is at a turning point. The whole world is on its ears. And, I think, the USA, Europe, Ukraine are not process operators, but only tools. Earth Director presses the buttons.
    2. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 4 September 2015 08: 41 New
      +11
      On top of that, Anglo-Saxons and walruses are unprecedentedly cowardly creatures. And therefore they will finely dirty, bark and bite stealthily. But life is more expensive than EVERYTHING! Alien hands - yes. In an open military confrontation - never!
    3. Ordynec1
      Ordynec1 4 September 2015 22: 53 New
      +1
      The USSR did not capitulate, it simply died, with the filing of the country's traitors in power. The Cold War went into a different phase at that time. The collapse of the Union-time, the "quiet" genocide of the population-two, clean up the territory-three, etc. But thank God did not work out.
  7. older
    older 4 September 2015 06: 49 New
    +7
    I agree with the authors. Plus set. But it’s interesting why those who are minuscule do not argue their position ... I would really like to read. Maybe they also have some kind of rational kernel ... And so, how cowardly it turns out.
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 4 September 2015 07: 19 New
      +2
      They have no arguments. They have a grudge.
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 4 September 2015 09: 04 New
      0
      ask the moderator, he will send a printout of all the "scoundrels" to your mail .. laughing
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 4 September 2015 11: 15 New
        +7
        Quote: older
        I agree with the authors. Plus set. But I wonder why those who are minuscule do not argue their position

        Although I didn’t set a minus, the article was not serious at all. We noticed it and all right, to hell with it. Now on the case. Since it “recently shook the economy”. It didn’t shake, it started a large-scale world crisis. China fell by 1.9% (stock market), today the decline was 11,8%. In China, deflation since 2012, PPI has been steadily negative for this period, devaluation has been carried out, the United States is in a recession, a fall in world trade. I took for example the data for 5 months of this years in China with the BRICS countries: with Russia, a decrease of 32%, with Brazil by 22%, with South Africa by 29%, and only with India an increase of 1%. The total decline in China's foreign trade is 6,9%. The US and Chinese economies are inextricably connected, the first place in terms of trade, Russia is only at 9. Therefore, the recession in America will hurt everyone.
        Quote: armored optimist
        Yes, the story is at a turning point. The whole world is on its ears. And, I think, the USA, Europe, Ukraine are not process operators, but only tools. Earth Director presses the buttons.

        You could say so. The meaning will not change. That's how the world works.
        And the Chinese parade: the picture is no more for people, for the mass. It is not Xi Jin Ping, not Obama, not Putin that rule the world, they rule the trans-national corporations.
        What is their goal? Or the goal of the director of the Earth (as the Bronoptimist put it)? We can assume the following: to replace China with the United States. But for this, China must turn north. The expansion policy must be activated, not necessarily war. China does not risk so far, direction is very sluggish. What time will show next. I will say one thing: under our economic system, for us, radish is not sweeter.
        1. Yak-3P
          Yak-3P 4 September 2015 16: 43 New
          +3
          I was not an economist .. But .. how is our wooden rupe below the buck ?? who sends rockets into space .. who produces more electricity ... china produces cement in 4 !! times more than the United States ... in kilowatts, we finally can all ... how are we cheaper than America ??? what ?? I'm not talking about the oil-gas base .... neither x - y - I-- do not understand ..
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 4 September 2015 17: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Yak-3P
            I'm not an economist

            It's simple. We do not really own ourselves. We can increase. The share of foreign capital.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 4 September 2015 17: 53 New
              +1
              The structure of Russian exports. That's why the ruble also swings on a swing depending on oil quotes. And the price of oil is formed mainly on the New York Stock Exchange.
              1. Rrrj
                Rrrj 4 September 2015 18: 27 New
                0
                Quote: baltika-18
                The structure of Russian exports. That's why the ruble also swings on a swing depending on oil quotes. And the price of oil is formed mainly on the New York Stock Exchange.

                Mm, the point is not only this - just a lot of people like to live in a big way ... (with a stable income), and the second - the ruble at the moment is not difficult to shake green pieces of paper - but either nobody needs it - or someone holds a moderate position.
              2. Ordynec1
                Ordynec1 4 September 2015 22: 57 New
                0
                Oil prices are not the reasons for the ruble sagging. Do not bother with this head.
          2. Ordynec1
            Ordynec1 4 September 2015 22: 56 New
            0
            Find the evil Ivan on YouTube, he is interesting about the ruble, oil, etc. says. I became clearer, at least. I do not boil, I work on.
        2. Ordynec1
          Ordynec1 4 September 2015 22: 54 New
          -1
          There are opinions that the “crisis” takes place to be man-made. You yourself know for what purposes.
    3. Igor K
      Igor K 4 September 2015 15: 16 New
      0
      Feel free to have your own point of view possible.
  8. Alexart
    Alexart 4 September 2015 06: 49 New
    +9
    Quote: tyzyaga
    This is still just propaganda. It seems to me that if the unipolar world breaks at the seams, it is unlikely that the Americans will just surrender like the USSR ... That is, either our world is not anyone!

    Surrender and very simple.
    Remember the squabbled Romanian toilets.
    And how vigorously entered the Black Sea?
    A nation of perverts, which had become obese at the expense of the whole world, is able to iron Yugoslavia, Iraq.
    For a serious conflict, there is not enough firmness of mind.
    Gunpowder of the wrong system.
  9. City
    City 4 September 2015 06: 54 New
    +20
    Here is SO !!! And Americans with ukronatsikami only allowed gay parades to be !!!
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 4 September 2015 07: 15 New
    +2
    The "hot heads" of Western and American generals perfectly "get cold" from the sight of a powerful fist of the enemy...Not right away .. but they will start to cool down slowly ...
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 4 September 2015 07: 42 New
      +8
      They don’t get cold. Statements by American generals in the media is still annealing. Neither with the brain, nor with the State Department is not connected. Thugs. But they also understand, probably, that 1,5 billion people are a militarily problem.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 4 September 2015 10: 54 New
        0
        Respected marlin1203!..Black text .. I have an excerpt from the article .. Next to this excerpt my comment: Not immediately .. but they will start to cool down slowly ... An elementary question .. did you read it ..? .. Why do I ask .. do you write answer me .. by excerpt from the article, and not by my comment .. Be careful .. when reading other people's comments .. And then write your own .. hi
      2. Andrey77
        Andrey77 4 September 2015 12: 11 New
        +3
        It is necessary to clearly separate the flies from cutlets. Generals are professional warriors, the State Department is professional politicians. The warrior has the task of knocking out money for weapons - scary Chinese, Russians and on the list. The State Department has a task to eat fish and sit down (stay in power) - Russian bastards, of course, but not as much as the Chinese. Yes, and you can peacefully disperse with the Chinese - give the money we’ll ruin everything. Cut the US Treasury and nothing personal. :)
        1. Igor K
          Igor K 4 September 2015 15: 17 New
          0
          Business, nothing personal))
  11. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 4 September 2015 07: 17 New
    +2
    At the same time, the position of the USA, Japan and Europe is not clear. To ignore such an event or to participate with delegations of secondary parties means

    I think so (by analogy with some officials of the Polish Foreign Ministry), they would like to celebrate in Tokyo !!!
  12. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 4 September 2015 07: 57 New
    +2
    amerikosy as always puzzled, preoccupied ... or what else did the dog say?
    1. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 4 September 2015 08: 43 New
      0
      And us - the army! wink
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  13. Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 4 September 2015 08: 10 New
    +3
    We will whine about the lack of democracy in China, sponsor Chinese gays and liberals, and stir up Tibet and among the Uighurs. They will go to Vietnam and will set Al Qaeda and ISIS. Well, some sort of sanctions against Russia, according to tradition. Until our elites understand that Russia has no future with the West, there will be no import substitution and a turn to the East. It is clear that a good rest in Nice! But in the West, only winners are respected, not supplicants.
  14. RoTTor
    RoTTor 4 September 2015 08: 42 New
    +8
    The leader of the PRC gave an extremely clear and impeccable formulation of "World Anti-Fascist War."

    China showed what success we could achieve by going the right way - using
    Our own Soviet experience is socialism, NEP.

    China showed how to respect their history, revolutionary traditions, how to educate young people ...

    If it were not for the maize who had quarreled with the USSR and China in the early 60s ...

    Look on the network on the Chinese CCTV channel (Russian) - all about today's Celebration of the 70th anniversary of the victory over Japanese imperialism and fascism - and a grand military parade, and a gala concert.
    Feast of the soul, good mood, charge of optimism - GUARANTEED.
    I watched the live broadcast.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 September 2015 12: 20 New
      +2
      The maize bloopers have only now been fixed.
      1. Igor K
        Igor K 4 September 2015 15: 19 New
        +1
        After all, there was a crest;
  15. Weniamin
    Weniamin 4 September 2015 08: 50 New
    +2
    Any step of a politician of this level is verified to a millimeter. Any word is thought out. There can be no impromptu.

    Even in politics at this level there is room for impromptu. Remember the moment when Putin covered the wife of the Chinese president with his plaid. It was a hundred pounds impromptu. But how accurate and perfectly executed.
  16. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 4 September 2015 08: 54 New
    +7
    “There is a bloc under the leadership of the USA and a bloc of China. I really wanted to write to Russia, but objectively, the leader is still China. We really hope so far. ”
    Hooked. I want to share seditious thoughts. I do not like cons, but I want someone to dispel my doubts. Here they write, we are on a united front with China against the United States and its allies. Only now while all the cones are pouring on us, and China is meaningfully silent. We interpret his silence as support, ascribe Eastern wisdom and seek meaning in details and midtones. And at the same time, it is not a fact that China will support us in the event of a hot turn of events. At least, this was clearly not heard anywhere. We are the spear of China, in the side of NATO, in Europe. The Russians are wetting the Russians in Ukraine, and the United States and China are standing behind their back and cutting coupons.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 September 2015 12: 30 New
      +3
      China does not care about Ukraine at all. Like we do not care about Taiwan. Personal problems. Both we and China close their eyes - personal graters, no more. You were mistaken in counting cones. The bumps all went to China, and a couple hooked us. However, this couple was enough for our industry. :( Our people are not ready to work for 10 bucks a day, but in China there is a competition! For 10 bucks a day!
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 4 September 2015 18: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Andrey77
        Our people for 10 bucks a day are not ready to work

        If everything is free in stores, then you can work for free. And if a loaf of bread will be for 1000 bucks, then with zp 1000 a day you will be poor and die of hunger.
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  17. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 4 September 2015 09: 05 New
    +7
    Therefore, Obama did not go to the parade.

    He understood the swarthy that he would sit on a side stool at the very edge of the far row.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 September 2015 12: 32 New
      +4
      I would not go to Obama’s place either. I don’t know anyone ... would look like a complete monkey.
  18. ddglory
    ddglory 4 September 2015 10: 10 New
    +2
    I do not trust the Chinese and that’s it. At the last moment they can turn. A strategic partnership is no more.
  19. silver_roman
    silver_roman 4 September 2015 11: 09 New
    +3
    There is a block led by the United States and a block of China. I really wanted to write to Russia, but objectively, the leader is still China. We really hope so far.

    I fundamentally disagree with this statement. China is not a leader. He has not yet formed a leadership vein. I do not argue that it is economically more powerful by an order of magnitude than the Russian Federation, but it is the Russian Federation that takes all the bad things.
    Take for example the canal under construction in Nicaragua: it is the Russian Federation that covers its navy, while China sponsors the construction.
    If there is no Russian Federation, then China will have a very hard time. Although they are carefully prepared. We, in turn, are already used to living one on one with the Saxons.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 September 2015 12: 34 New
      -1
      China takes all the goodies. We are so, indicative of a twig. No more.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 4 September 2015 15: 24 New
        +3
        What kind of goodies does China take ???? they have the closest cooperation. Do you often hear angry reviews from every state hawks towards the PRC? so the little things sometimes casual. Any Fitch and Moodys do not touch the PRC rating. Moreover, they do not affect the banking sector of China as ours: look at their interest rate and ours.
        In short, I do not agree with you.
        argue.
  20. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 4 September 2015 11: 28 New
    +1
    Concerned American concern, again worried.
  21. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 4 September 2015 11: 44 New
    +9
    But still they walked beautifully!
  22. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 4 September 2015 12: 09 New
    +3
    The parade is good, carefully organized and rehearsed. Several types of equipment shown nevertheless left the impression of props or scenery (and not because of the coloring).
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 September 2015 12: 37 New
      +3
      And the fact that the girls did not blink? It delighted me. Not a single one blinked!
      1. Filxnumx
        Filxnumx 5 September 2015 06: 59 New
        0
        They are specially trained not to blink for a long time. Record - 57 minutes. True, this information cannot be documented.
  23. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 4 September 2015 12: 41 New
    +9
    It would not have happened as in that joke.
    Hungry wolves met a hare in the forest and were about to eat it, but the hare tells them:
    “Wait a minute, you won’t get enough of me, but I can lead you to a flock of sheep.”
    Wolves decided not to eat a hare and went after him. They are coming, and hunger is tormenting us more and more, they are asking:
    - How long will it go?
    The hare answers them:
    - Here, right behind the mountain in front of us.
    They began to climb the mountain - the wolves could not cope with hunger, attacked the hare and ate. They didn’t get too full, hunger torments, but there is no more temptation before their eyes. We climbed a mountain and see a flock of sheep ...
    They had a hearty dinner, and then one means:
    - Somehow it turned out badly with a hare.
    Other:
    “Well, come on, are we going to bury the remains?”
    They returned, buried the hare, put a stone on the grave and think what to write:
    - “To a friend hare” - he won’t go, they won’t understand why his friends ate him ...
    - “Enemy of the Hare” - also will not go, what kind of enemy is he when he brought them to the herd of sheep ...
    Thought, thought, and wrote - “From strategic partners”
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 September 2015 12: 45 New
      +1
      Distorted a good joke.
  24. Altona
    Altona 4 September 2015 12: 53 New
    +6
    It’s not even some iron that struck me in the parade, their military equipment still does not surpass ours ... Too many long-wheelbase vehicles, apparently carrying BK and landing troops on one machine and apparently on good roads ... What struck me is that the current Chinese a soldier is not a small whale, but a rather large peasant, 176-182 cm tall, medical girls at least declared themselves as models, no shorter than 178 cm ... Twelve thousand soldiers are still a whole division, so I don’t agree that everything the shown window dressing ... Such training and discipline is expensive, a good impression of training ...
    1. Ordynec1
      Ordynec1 4 September 2015 23: 02 New
      +1
      They selected the best for the parade. Like everywhere.
  25. Free wind
    Free wind 4 September 2015 13: 53 New
    +13
    Chineses with what fright celebrate victory over Japan. of course they can celebrate this date, but only on their knees in front of the Russian Soldier !!!!!!!! Article minus. The Chinas in the war against the Yapes suffered one defeat after another. In 1942-1943, all Soviet representatives were removed from China, both from areas controlled by the Communists and from others, due to harsh anti-Soviet protests. All diplomatic contacts were interrupted, in fact, China declared war on us. The Chinese Communists generally concluded a truce with the Japanese, and helped the Japanese with food. With the outbreak of the war between the USSR and Japan, no more than 20 Chinese troops came out against the Japanese, the rest clashed among themselves, sharing power in the country, tea-changers, nationalists, communists so actively pursued each other that they forgot about the Japanese. But Stalin did not want to meet with Miao Jedong. After repeated requests, since 1945, Stalin received it only in 1948. The yellow-faced have no right to talk about their victory, they can talk about themselves only as patience. If the USSR did not enter the war, there would be no China.
    1. Ordynec1
      Ordynec1 4 September 2015 23: 04 New
      +1
      Also remembered this. The Kwantung Army was given by the grandfathers to the Lyule. The Japanese infringed the Chinese as best they could, they did not consider people at all.
      1. ermolai
        ermolai 5 September 2015 05: 51 New
        0
        I don’t know how things are now, but on the penny George the Victorious pierces the serpent with a spear, and if we assume that this is not a Christian symbol, but the memory of the creation of the world in a star temple, after the war with the inhabitants of the country of dragons, and the Chinese wall loopholes looks to China, then I recall the saying, with an Asian friend. and keep the knife in your bosom. they are always on their mind. we were and will be alien strangers for whom there are a lot of useful and necessary things in the bins.
  26. _GunMan_
    _GunMan_ 4 September 2015 14: 55 New
    0
    Quote: armored optimist
    Whoever would say about China, but drill training is simply amazing! And the parade was filmed was highly artistic. A sight for sore eyes! But the technique, it seems, is at least 40 percent props.
    But, by the way, I was just pecked as an illiterate when, in topics about aircraft carriers, I talked about the possibility of creating anti-ship ballistic missiles. And the Chinese did! Are we dumber than them?

    And what's the point of making a ballistic missile? We have a wonderful X-35 and 3M-54, which is capable of "breaking through" air defense ships without any problems.
  27. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 4 September 2015 16: 16 New
    -2
    China just pleased. His army, technology, training!
    At the same time, managers, the army and the people are united by pride in their native state.
    Our toy soldiers at the end entertained. Yes, and commentators too. Confused everything that is possible. Disgraced Chinese technology as they could. Like, all these are Soviet-Russian analogues.
    I would not have to buy these same analogues soon!
    And about the missiles that can reach Honolulu, it’s also well said. And can they fly to Moscow, St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk? Easy. And then the reduced 2 million army can cheerfully reach St. Petersburg and Moscow. Or stand in the Urals and say that it is ours!
    Do not put a finger in your mouth. It will snap and not blink! They have not decided to blink at the parade! )))
    1. Ordynec1
      Ordynec1 4 September 2015 23: 07 New
      -2
      The whole Chinese army will be boiled in cupid. A few missiles, with multiple towers, that's all. Even a very peppy army will burn with bones and equipment for kui. With part of the Chinese (and our, unfortunately) territory. And maybe with all of China. Wherever you fall, you get everywhere.
  28. Nehist
    Nehist 4 September 2015 16: 42 New
    +5
    I’ll go to my old notes. On the composition and tactics of the PLA army. I will refresh my memory ... And why are people on the site rejoicing? China is friends while it is profitable.
  29. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 4 September 2015 17: 37 New
    +1
    The Beijing parade was very impressive. No worse than ours.
  30. Kuzyakin15
    Kuzyakin15 4 September 2015 19: 59 New
    0
    Quote: Nehist
    I’ll go to my old notes. On the composition and tactics of the PLA army. I will refresh my memory ... And why are people on the site rejoicing? China is friends while it is profitable.

    And name at least some ,, friends ”who were friends or were not friends because of the benefits.
    Only if the Cubans ...
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 4 September 2015 21: 12 New
      +1
      And the Cubans are no exception (and this is normal, where is Cuba, and where is the USSR), Fidel immediately after the revolution tried to negotiate peace with the United States, but subject to its conditions, which did not suit the Americans. As a result, the confrontation has been more than half a century old. China claims to be a world superpower on a par with the United States, which makes it a natural opponent of America and our friend (only graters Sr. Jr. remain).
  31. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 5 September 2015 01: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: Andrey77
    The maize bloopers have only now been fixed.

    But not everything, I know ----- China, Egypt, Indonesia, Argentina? National economy, culture --- do not compensate. RELIGIONS everyone suffered, abuse. Especially Buddhism, I think from Nikita suffered. The damage is huge.
  32. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 5 September 2015 02: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: armored optimist
    They have no arguments. They have a grudge.

    Dear senior ranks, I read and don’t catch up with these minuses several times. Is this about a fine? I think --- I need help and +++++. But I think that there are several obvious provocateurs - an exception.
  33. ddglory
    ddglory 5 September 2015 02: 56 New
    0
    Damn, I’ll express my opinion once again, it’s not threatening the integrity of our state, but kinesa ... Guys wake up, you can see everything by yourself ...
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  35. yuriy55
    yuriy55 5 September 2015 05: 13 New
    0
    I’ll notice the opponents of such parades:
    "Not every country can show something like that." yes

    And the imaginary successes and victories of some overseas warriors and their satellites look so ephemeral and vague that the assumption that they create something like this is empty fantasies ...
  36. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 5 September 2015 08: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Yak-3P
    I was not an economist .. But .. how is our wooden rupe below the buck ?? who sends rockets into space .. who produces more electricity ... china produces cement in 4 !! times more than the United States ... in kilowatts, we finally can all ... how are we cheaper than America ??? what ?? I'm not talking about the oil-gas base .... neither x - y - I-- do not understand ..

    I’ll say that I understand ---- but I don’t understand everything. They’re tricky ----- their export --- $$$$$$$. What's faster? Type $$$$$$ or pump oil, build a military-industrial complex, to collect grain (plant it first)? which is more difficult and more expensive? well, my sr-rr-rr. Bonds are imposed. It’s like a tax to everyone. It’s for starters. And this is about -------- about 100 years ---- x years !!!