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Russia is a fantastic country. Or not?

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The writing of this article was caused by the forum’s reaction to some of my comments and the sudden release of citizen Vasilyeva from prison, who successfully completed her tasks to “optimize” the armed forces of the Russian state.

First comment. Zbignev Brzezinski: “Without Ukraine, Russia will cease to be an empire. With Ukraine, first bought and then subordinate, Russia will automatically become an empire.

- Now I would change my wording a bit. I think she might try to become an empire. But it will be a failure. An empire will only succeed if Russia succeeds in subjugating Ukraine. But it is very difficult to achieve.

... I will repeat it again - it all depends on the Ukrainians. Especially from the new generation of Ukrainians who were born citizens of Ukraine, and not citizens of the Soviet Union.

Russia will have to go through the same process if it wants to become a modern society. "


(33 minus, 8 pluses).

It would seem that everything is concrete. Brzezinski is an enemy of Russia, but in this case is right. Without Ukraine, Russia can not be an empire. There were no attempts at rapprochement. Time is over. The worst scenario for the West (the unification of Russia) did not take place. The split and mutual hatred, fueled by the media in Ukraine and Russia, is intensifying.

Do we need an empire?

Comment Fin: “Cho-you in the jungle suffered. Empire you need? "

Yes, I need it! How it was needed by my ancestors, who protected the borders of Holy Russia. For the faith, the king and the fatherland, they smashed any adversary.

What served as their unifying principle and great power?

My grandfather Fyodor Semenovich, who had fought back in 1, and did not part with the prayer-book before his death, to my attempts to explain that all the miracles of Christ are refuted by elementary physical laws and other scientific achievements, having carefully looked at me, said: “Well, you all are fools!”

Next comment. Holy righteous about. John of Kronstadt (1906): “Our intellectuals are insane and pitiful, who in their frivolity and thoughtlessness have lost the faith of their fathers, faith is this firm support of our life in all sorrows and troubles, this anchor is firm and true, on which our life stands firmly among the storms of everyday life and our fatherland! ”

(1907): "... because of the godlessness and the dishonesty of many Russians, so-called intellectuals who have gone astray, have fallen away from the faith and are vilifying her in every way, who have redeemed all the commandments of the Gospel and admitted every depravity in their life, not the Lord’s kingdom, but the wide and detached kingdom of Satan, which penetrated deep into the minds and hearts of Russians, falsely learned and half-educated, and all who live extensively in the attraction of their passions and in false, perverse concepts of their striking mind. "
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(7 minuses, 0 pluses).

Is the righteous holy Fr. John of Kronstadt? Is my grandfather right about us or not?

Did the director G. Danelia have an outstanding gift of foresight, having shot the film “Kin-dza-dza”, which was not understood by contemporaries? He put an end to the magnificent cartoon with the same name in name and plot, a parody of our modern times.

Is not the current Russia in the truncated boundaries of the planet Pflug with a flourishing color differentiation of pants? Where the owners of crimson pants, that is, those who have a lot of KC and chatlov, etsilop (read on the contrary - the policeman) has no right to touch. Where patsaks (read the opposite - katsaps, in Ukrainian slang - Russians), must have tolerant bells in their noses and chatlans, "respected" people who have a lot of chatls, should also be squatted and "Ku" do. Where fuel "Lutz" - the main source of the budget of the planet. Where are the elements of the highest technology from classical music "We are sick!" Where the degree of respect for a person depends on the presence of a clever "pepelats".

I do not malice. I fully support all positive undertakings and movements associated with the strengthening of the economy, the army, the development of patriotism, even if this is sometimes done in advertising, organized forms, when the number of slogans and statements many times exceeds the real deal.

But in what soil will the seed of patriotism fall? In order for the grain to sprout, the soil must have fertilizer with the appropriate idea. The idea of ​​achieving maximum comfort, in my opinion, gives the opposite effect and serves as a tool for separation and destruction.

Russia is not the West. And this confirms all its centuries-old история confrontation.

St. Ignatius (Bryanchaninov): “And here European enlightenment penetrated with its fornication. Officials finished the course in different universities, they seem to believe in the same money; at the root of evil grows all the branches of evil. What will be of this? "

Metropolitan Anthony (Vadkovsky, 1846-1912), St. Petersburg and Ladoga (1905): “It is not the first time that Holy Russia is visited by severe disasters. She survived the times of imposture, with honor and triumph out of the age-old struggle with the Swedes and the terrible Napoleonic wars. But not that Russia was then what it has become now. In those days she was strong in love and her holy faith, unshakable in her devotion to the King and Fatherland. And now what we see? The native sons of Russia, under the influence of the pernicious teachings unknown in the old days, are tearing apart its maternal heart with hostility. There is no love for the Church; reverence for power (the Tsar) has disappeared. Everything turned upside down, holy everything is trampled. From the side even terribly look at our moral profligacy. And for that, in all truth, we have become despicable to all ... "

Russian spiritual philosopher G. P. Fedotov (1886-1951) wrote (1926): “We did not want to bow to Russia — the queen who was crowned with the royal crown. He hypnotized the political face of Russia - the autocratic oppressor of nations. Together with Vladimir Pechorin we cursed Russia, with Marx hated her. And she did not endure this hatred ... The Russian State, which has always frightened us with its cruel weight, now does not exist. We helped break it with our hatred or indifference. The redemption of this guilt will be hard. ”

What is the people, this is the state!


(15 minuses, 8 pluses).

They may object to me, proposing to start with myself. We have wonderful families and children here. Yes thank God. But let's look around. Russia ranks first in the world in the number of teen suicides, the number of abortions, the number of divorces and children born out of wedlock, with the highest level of corruption, first place in the world in the number of police officers per capita, and also in the growth rate of dollar billionaires (2-e in the world by the total number of dollar billionaires after the USA). Is it possible in a morally healthy society?

"It is impossible to live in society and be free from society." So we were taught the classics of Marxism-Leninism. Or it is possible that the great Russian saints showed by example. So which one is right?

Denying both those and others, offering to withdraw from ourselves and our family, we come to the third variant, which corresponds to the philosophical theories of Nietzsche and Freud's egocentrism. These theories are the basis and foundation of a liberal-democratic society. Thus, while berating the liberals in the Russian government, are we not their breeding ground?

What is the people, this is the state! Or what state, so is the people! How do you like it better?

For Marxists, Stalinists, who can say that they won the Great Patriotic War without any saints, I, also considering Stalin to be an outstanding political figure, whose genius is indisputable, will give one example.

The order of the Mother of God, given to Stalin through the Metropolitan of the Lebanese Elias Mountains in 1941, was carried out without fail, right down to the last paragraph about inviting the Metropolitan to Russia after the war, in order to tell how Russia was saved.

In October 1947, Mr. Stalin invited Metropolitan Elijah to Russia. The Kazan Icon of the Mother of God, the cross and panagia, decorated with gems and stones from all regions of the country, were given to the dear guest as a gift, so that all of Russia participated in this gift. By Stalin's order, the most skilled jewelers made panagia and a cross. At the same time, the government awarded him the Stalin Prize for helping our country during the Great Patriotic War. Vladyka refused the prize, saying that the monk did not need money. “Let them go to the needs of your country. We ourselves decided to transfer 200000 dollars to your country to help orphans whose parents died in the war, ”said Metropolitan Elias. Vladyka visited Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev, Odessa. The materials on the stay of Metropolitan Elijah in the USSR, published in the Journal of the Moscow Patriarchate (1948. No. 1), were never completed. The precipice occurred on the visit of Vladyka to Leningrad, where, with an enormous gathering of people, his story about the appearance of the Mother of God was heard in the Prince Vladimir Cathedral.

Fairy tale? And Russia has always been a fabulous country, with amazing fairy-tale heroes - Rev. monk Alexander Peresvet, holy righteous Fyodor Ushakov, Orthodox generalissimo Alexander Suvorov, who did not lose a single battle.

Alexander Peresvet, in a duel with the bogatyr Chelubey, took off his armor and remained only in one great schema (a monastic robe with the image of a cross). He did this so that the longer spear of the enemy, passing through the soft tissues of the body at high speed, did not have time to knock him out of the saddle, and then he would be able to strike himself, having struck Chelubey, which happened in battle. After receiving a mortal wound, he continued to remain in the saddle, was able to get to the building himself, and only died there.

“Godlessness absorbs states and sovereigns, faith, law and morals. See the hell over which madness reigns even more strongly in the end of the age ", - said A.V. Suvorov.

Or maybe he is wrong?
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  1. Barakuda
    Barakuda 5 September 2015 05: 57 New
    +2
    Alexander Peresvet, in a duel with the bogatyr Chelubey, took off his armor and remained only in one great schema (a monastic robe with the image of a cross). He did this so that the longer spear of the enemy, passing through the soft tissues of the body at high speed, did not have time to knock him out of the saddle, and then he would be able to strike himself, having struck Chelubey, which happened in battle. After receiving a mortal wound, he continued to remain in the saddle, was able to get to the building himself, and only died there.

    Respectfully to the author. Where does this information come from? My whole chest is indented, it hurts, but then. Well, or Relight - a la Chuck Noris with Schwarzenegger.
    Well, if so - MEMORY! Sergius of Radonezh whispered to see, without his approval Donskoy did not even flinch.
    1. RiverVV
      RiverVV 5 September 2015 06: 22 New
      -19
      It’s pathetic! MORE PAPHOS !!! 111 :)
      It is strange that the author of Putin did not scold. Now the trend is this: some praise Russia and lick Putin, others praise Putin and scold Russia.
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 5 September 2015 06: 57 New
        +8
        Exactly, one pathos with biblical motifs, like the one Kennedy murdered adorned his speeches.

        Author: Do we need an empire? Yes, I need it!

        And, well then, okay ... In the modern world there are no empires left, if you correctly understand this term. Empire implies a single administrative space. This is too costly in the conditions of "formal democracy": no one will pay the same Kenyan the same pension as the "white man", guarantee decent pay for his work, etc. It is easier to abandon the formal control of the same Kenya, controlling its regime behind the scenes and continuing to milk it economically. Therefore, all the colonial empires disintegrated by the 70 years. 20 c.
        The Soviet empire is another, very peculiar phenomenon. The countries of the social camp largely lived on subsidies from the USSR. Over time, they became too heavy a burden, Gorbachev began to throw them off until they threw him off, dismembered the alliance, believing that this would not allow Russia to be reborn as a serious political player. However, the collapse of the social camp and then the USSR saved the Russian Federation from the excess load. Soviet economic cooperation between the CIS countries was seriously damaged, but survived. Russia remains the main trading partner of the former socialist republics, making them economically dependent. The standard of living in the CIS countries is much lower than the Russian, which reduces the cost of products they produce for Russian enterprises, ultimately increasing Russian margins. If they were politically combined into a new Union, they would have to equalize the living standards of Russians and the Armenians, that is, in fact, reduce the quality of life of the citizens of the Russian Federation. But the main empire, because it is needed.
        1. Mari33
          Mari33 5 September 2015 07: 51 New
          +10
          Quote: Eugene-Eugene
          biblical pathos


          In 1942, the Orthodox Church celebrated the earliest Easter. At 6 o’clock in the morning on Saturday, April 4, the morning radio unexpectedly for everyone began with a message from the order of the commandant of Moscow, allowing free movement in Moscow on the night of April fifth.
          INFORMATION OF THE CHIEF OF THE NKVD OF MOSCOW AND THE MOSCOW REGION M. I. ZHURAVLEV № 1730 dated 05.04.42/XNUMX/XNUMX.
          The number of believers who visited individual churches in Moscow:
          1. Church of the Epiphany (Elokhovskaya Square) - 6500 people
          2. The Church of the Sign (Pereslavl St.) - 4000 people
          3. Church of Ilya the Ordinary (2nd Obydensky per.) - 4000 people
          4. Church of the Transfiguration Cemetery (Transfiguration Square) - 4000 people
          5. Church of the Deposition of the Law (v. Leonovo) - 3500 people
          6. Church of the Resurrection (Rusakovskaya St.) - 3500 people

          In individual churches of the Moscow region:
          1. Zagorje church (Kolomna city) - 2500 people
          2. The church in the village of Zhelezno-Nikolovskoye, Vysokovsky district - 2200 people
          3. The church in the village of Zyatkovo, Taldomsky district - 2000 people
          4. Church in the city of Podolsk - 1700 people
          5. Church in the village of Zachatye, Lopasnensky district - 1700 people
          6. Church of Akim and Anna (Mozhaisk) - 1700 people
          7. Church in Kashira - 2000 people

          INFORMATION OF A MEMBER OF THE SPECIAL WORK GROUP IN MOSCOW "SERAFIMA" April 13, 1942:
          "Comrade V. (an employee of our group) was 5.IV. in a church on Yelokhovskaya Square and informed us that the cathedral’s premises were crowded with people, it was difficult for believers to raise their hands for prayer. They stood all squeezed, so crowded. There were men in the church, many young people. Even the military were also listening to the speech of the archpriest. "
          TsAODM, f. 1870, op. 3, d. 2, l. 193-194.

          THIS IS "PAPHOS"! We are now far from such a "pathos". You can observe this with Muslims in Kurban Bayram. AND WE?
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 5 September 2015 13: 43 New
            +4
            Quote: Mari33
            THIS IS "PAPHOS"! We are now far from such a "pathos". You can observe this with Muslims in Kurban Bayram. AND WE?

            That's it
            AND WE?
            sad
        2. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 5 September 2015 09: 50 New
          0
          Dear Eugene, the question is purely out of curiosity about the phrase

          The standard of living in the CIS countries is much lower than Russian,


          What is the situation in Kazakhstan in this matter?
        3. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 5 September 2015 12: 02 New
          +3
          The whole thing is that the USSR was not an empire. This is an invention of Westerners and our liberals. It was a centralized state. but not an empire. Proof: firstly, any empire must have an emperor, WHICH is fundamentally appointed, has inherited power, the elected is not important, but comes from the people of the metropolis, and we have Stalin is Georgian, Khrushchev is Ukrainian, other leaders are Mikoyan, Pugo, Kaganovich Dzerzhinsky - find a Russian, they were leaders, but not from the mother country; secondly, and this is the most important thing, the empire should have a METROPOLY, where wealth from the colonies flows. And that someone will tell me that the RSFSR pumped something out of someone for free, I won’t believe it.
          1. Lenivets
            Lenivets 5 September 2015 13: 51 New
            +4
            "Proof: firstly, any empire must have an emperor, WHAT is a fundamentally appointed, inherited power, elected - it does not matter, but coming from the people of the mother country"

            Yes you are kidding!
            And all the emperors in the Byzantine and Roman empires were from the people of the "mother country"?
            Or, after all, many were from the outside (as in many other empires) ?! hi

            ps In the Byzantine Empire, a Slav periodically became emperor.
            In Roman Slav, German or Arab ...
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            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 6 September 2015 02: 32 New
              +2
              Tatyana
              Speaking of a return to the Russian Empire, as the author thinks and sets out, one should pay attention to the existence of the Russian question in the country.
              Posted by Nils
              Do we need an empire?
              Yes, I need it! How needed was it to my ancestors who guarded the borders of Holy Russia
              Moreover, the Russian question arose in the USSR and now exists in the Russian Federation since the 1917 of the year and reads as follows: “Does the Russian people have the right to their statehood? And where is the Russian land for this? ”And when we talk about the empire, we need to answer the question -“ What people will create this empire and defend this empire? ” Under what socio-political system? ”It is noteworthy that some of the nat. minorities in terms of population are not enough for this. For to protect the whole country, the entire Power, and not just its nat. title territory, you need a self-sufficient number of the majority of the population. (And also in commonwealth with small nations.) So far, for all of Russia, they are primarily Russian and Russian-speaking. That is why Russophobia in the country and abroad is a tool for the geopolitical destruction of any Russia.
              Last year, I was at a conference on the issue of tolerance for foreign labor migration in the Russian Federation on the Russian labor market. The lack of tolerance was declared "Russian national fascism." To my question - "In their opinion, does the Russian question exist in the Russian Federation as a multinational country?" - 9 of 10 answered negatively. Of them, all of them, as one, turned out to be half-breeds with non-Russian roots. And ostentatiously boasted of it. And only 1 people from Dagestan itself, I don’t remember exactly his nationality, but the indigenous non-Russian resident honestly and boldly answered that yes, EXISTS. Moreover, that exists uniquely! Like, he saw it and was convinced of it.
              You may not agree with the religiosity of the author of the article, but he does not think of the problem of national Russian self-preservation of the country far-fetched.
              1. Oper6300
                Oper6300 6 September 2015 11: 59 New
                +2
                I put you a plus, and now I ask: I'm sorry, but what does the half-breed mean? Do they have half blood with water? A.S. Pushkin was a half-breed, and how would he answer about the "Russian question"?
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 6 September 2015 14: 46 New
                  +1
                  Oper6300
                  sorry, what does the half-breed mean?
                  Dear Oper6300!
                  Thank you for + and I will answer your question!
                  There is nothing offensive about the word half-breed. This term is used in the scientific discipline - ethnopsychology. At the same time, it is understood that in a particular person, so to speak, blood flows from parents or ancestors of different nations, different nationalities, etc. And psychologically for himself, this person himself can personally classify himself, for example, not to two nationalities at the same time (not to divide parents or relatives by nationality - not to attach importance to this), but to choose for himself mainly just one of these nationalities, this nationality to work and be proud of. Moreover, as a rule, an individual chooses exactly that nationality, whose people are either in the country of residence or in the country of their future emigration in a political and economic plan in a more privileged position compared to people of another nationality. This is also connected with the degree of human attachment to the nat. the cultural roots of each parent.
                  On this, in particular, the ethnopsychological process is built not only on the assimilation of one people into another, but also on the betrayal of the historical roots of one people in favor of another people of two biological parents with a mixed national marriage, from which this person was born. This complex ethnopsychological process of transition from one nationality to another - and vice versa (national defector) - which has its own “+, +” and its “-, -”, is widely used in intelligence intelligence during the recruitment of, for example, foreign spies, traitors and pests, etc.
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      2. apro
        apro 5 September 2015 06: 57 New
        +7
        Russia is a constant value and the head of state is a variable no matter how golden, Putin has his own shortcomings and there are a lot of questions to him.
      3. SHILO
        SHILO 5 September 2015 07: 03 New
        +14
        Quote: RiverVV
        It’s pathetic! MORE PAPHOS !!! 111 :)


        Comparison with "Kin-dza-dza" is very relevant my friend and does not smell of pathos.
        Thanks to the author!
        1. RiverVV
          RiverVV 5 September 2015 09: 11 New
          -1
          "Kin-Dza-Dza!" pathos just overflowing.

          “At you, on Earth, how do you determine who should sit down in front of whom?”
          - Well, it's on the eye.
          - Savages!

          Did you watch a movie?
      4. tomket
        tomket 5 September 2015 22: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: RiverVV
        It’s pathetic! MORE PAPHOS !!! 111 :)

        Maybe you have to go to "cosmopolitan"? you will talk about pathos and trends there.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 5 September 2015 09: 06 New
      +6
      Yes, and where is godlessness when there is no state ideology! All believers and non-believers can be united by one goal, but where is it? Except how to enrich yourself, whoever can do nothing.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 5 September 2015 10: 33 New
        -2
        I read the article. Fairytale country? No, a country in which there are "storytellers" and "fairytale dolboklui" "can not be a fairytale country.
        Any professional high-class mathematician is much closer to knowing God than the most sophisticated representative of religion in verbiage.
    3. O100 3.14 Zdol
      O100 3.14 Zdol 5 September 2015 10: 39 New
      +2
      Author pimple with complexes ...
      So meticulously consider the cons ... wassat
      For the last 5 accounts, I didn’t put any minuses to anyone, the minuses that they put to me I never considered a tragedy and did not hit in a panic drinks
      By virtue of his foolishness, I would suggest a flash mob: otminusovat article ... The author and others like him will stop writing crap hi
    4. KaPToC
      KaPToC 5 September 2015 11: 08 New
      0
      At first I thought that the author was sorry, but no, the author is an enemy who disguised writes anti-Russian propaganda. Russia became an empire WITHOUT Ukraine, this is a historical fact, but Brzezinski did not teach history in childhood.
      1. Shveps
        Shveps 5 September 2015 15: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: KaPToC
        Russia became an empire WITHOUT Ukraine


        Wow!
        Can I clarify where and when?
        Is this happiness or misfortune?
        Without Ukraine-nonsense.
        Brzezinski round bastard.
        Today KaPToC - you are a star!
    5. tomket
      tomket 5 September 2015 22: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Barracuda
      Respectfully to the author. Where does this information come from? My whole chest is indented, it hurts, but then. Well, or Relight - a la Chuck Noris with Schwarzenegger.

      Watch the video of this fight on YouTube. Have you picked up a liberal love for an hour ????
  2. Bayonet
    Bayonet 5 September 2015 06: 52 New
    +9
    Russia is a fantastic country. Or not?
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 5 September 2015 10: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Bayonet
      Russia is a fantastic country. Or not?

      Or how. And maybe KU .....
    2. AlexSK
      AlexSK 5 September 2015 13: 11 New
      +9
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  3. apro
    apro 5 September 2015 06: 54 New
    +9
    Russia will again become an empire or a country aspiring to domination only if it leads thieves in Moscow and shows the world a model of a just society capable of solving the urgent needs of citizens, with or without Ukraine it will return as soon as our lives get better, as Ivan the Terrible said first I’ll take out the thieves in Moscow, and Kazan and Astrakhan themselves will fall.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 5 September 2015 09: 06 New
      -2
      Quote: apro
      as Ivan the Terrible said I first thieves in Moscow

      To take out thieves in Moscow, you need to burn it one more time.
  4. Normal ok
    Normal ok 5 September 2015 07: 13 New
    +10
    The idea is generally good. Without faith in God, without love for the homeland, society is dead. But it’s very naive to say that “it used to be ...” everything is honest and dignified. People are always the same. And stolen before all sorts of bosses are not very sickly. Now only the scale has changed. And again, because morality is lower than the plinth. The modern "great Russian dream" is to become a boss and take bribes.
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 September 2015 07: 38 New
    +1
    A muddy article and the author is clearly offended by the minuses))) Tipo did not understand his thoughtfulness ..... These are usually in Russia and the troubles are ringing, quiet glanders ..... Religion has also been dragged for protection! Cunning little devil .... I don’t put minus so as not to anger bully
    1. Shveps
      Shveps 5 September 2015 09: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      the author is clearly offended by the minuses. Tipo did not understand his thoughtfulness.


      "On their own people are not judged"
      Wise uncle said
      But tell me who will be
      The one who judged by himself?

      However, you either didn’t understand what the article was about, or vice versa, it touched a living.
      I hope that the first, because I do not want to offend you with the characteristics of a cosmopolitan and Ivan who does not remember kinship about which the author of the article says.
  6. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 5 September 2015 08: 06 New
    0
    what kind of people and the state ..
    people and stuck with you cons. Article plus set for spirituality ..
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 5 September 2015 08: 44 New
      0
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      Article plus set for spirituality

      I would not. Too many saints - baptizers. Agnostic I. And I don’t really respect Danelius.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 5 September 2015 09: 41 New
        +1
        In this case, my dislike for Danelia was outweighed by John of Kronstadt,

        I, too, cannot understand the delights of this delirium for many years ..- Kin Dza Dza
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 5 September 2015 19: 00 New
      0
      Spirituality is not in religion, but in love and faith. Religion only repaints a person belonging to the supreme in the state (the rest are God's servants, that is, upon the fact of his viceroy in the kingdom) so that humility in taxes will come. Well, the usual system of feudal government on the fear of punishment "poke into the sky." Then why the Vatican army?
  7. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 5 September 2015 08: 36 New
    0
    "... Yes, I need it! How needed it was for my ancestors, who guarded the borders of Holy Russia. For faith, the king and the fatherland smashed any adversary."

    It’s a mistake, firstly, a copy is always worse than the original and it will be a farce cleaner than Vasilyeva’s liberation, secondly, the development of society should go along the development spiral, new forms and content are needed, otherwise regression, degradation, someone wanted the king-priest to bow, petition to write ? Maybe the ancestors needed it at that time in the development of society, but now it’s a different time, other interests
    1. Shveps
      Shveps 5 September 2015 08: 58 New
      +7
      Quote: rosarioagro
      Now is another time, different interests. ... the development of society must go in a spiral .... we need new forms and content


      Here you are the point. Planet Pflyug, galaxy Kin-Dza-Dza in a spiral, 215 in the center. Brand new forms and content. Progress however! Where to us ancestors with their "obscurantism"?
      Now is another time, different interests. But in those days, tramps and fugitive convicts who hid their past and did not want to give their true name and surname in the police protocol were called - "Ivanes who do not remember kinship." This is confirmed by A.P. Chekhov: “The vagrants have the most common name Ivan, and the surname Nepomniachtchi.”
    2. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 5 September 2015 09: 58 New
      0
      new forms and contents are needed, otherwise regression, degradation


      Here, dear rosarioagro, the author writes that there is none of this.
  8. wild
    wild 5 September 2015 08: 50 New
    +1
    The author is engaged in fitting to his conclusions in many ways, through the paragraph. Fictitious calculations and figures. No wonder the people threw him cons. People can’t be fooled. And resentment is evident in every sentence. Straight misunderstood genius. Article golem Paphos. Minus
  9. EvgNik
    EvgNik 5 September 2015 08: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: EvgNik
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    Article plus set for spirituality

    I would not. Too many saints - baptizers. Agnostic I. And I don’t really respect Danelius.
    And I know too much about priests. Current. How do they fatten on the money of the parishioners (and who donates the money to them, don’t you know? The old women are weak, sometimes homeless), they break up on foreign cars, drink black. And what were the others before? At all times they were like they are now. They also tried to teach. Hesitated.
    1. Shveps
      Shveps 5 September 2015 09: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: EvgNik
      And I know too much about priests.


      Do not stir up water. You confuse the Orthodox Faith with the Moscow Patriarchate, in which there are no less fattening zealots than in the Russian government.
      And what were the others before? WERE! And the approach was different. Not a price list, but who can.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 5 September 2015 09: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Shveps
        Do not stir up water. You confuse the Orthodox Faith with the Moscow Patriarchate,

        I do not confuse. In the Perm region there is a resort of Ust-Kachka. There the father crashed on a foreign car. You can check it. I'm not lying.
      2. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 5 September 2015 10: 02 New
        +4
        Do not stir up water. You confuse the Orthodox Faith with the Moscow Patriarchate


        Well, dear Shveps, the truth is so true.
      3. EvgNik
        EvgNik 5 September 2015 11: 12 New
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        Quote: Shveps
        Do not stir up water. You confuse the Orthodox Faith with the Moscow Patriarchate, in which there are no less fattening zealots than in the Russian government.
        And what were the others before? WERE! And the approach was different. Not a price list, but who can.

        I will answer again. And even earlier, we had our own faith - pagan (Vedic). What to do with this? Orthodox then it is Orthodox, but one hell from the Jews, and Jesus was a Jew, not Russian. Just think about it.
        1. Oper6300
          Oper6300 6 September 2015 13: 24 New
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          Quote: EvgNik
          and Jesus was a Jew, not Russian

          That struck!
          Is Chikatilo a Jew?
          Is ISIS more merciful to Arabs than Israel?
        2. padded jacket
          padded jacket 6 September 2015 13: 37 New
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          Quote: EvgNik
          Jesus was a Jew, not Russian. Just think about it.

          Do not write different "nonsense" that Jesus was a Jew is an invention of the Jews themselves.
    2. taram taramych
      taram taramych 5 September 2015 09: 57 New
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      Lord God, does not live in the church, but in the souls of men.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 5 September 2015 10: 01 New
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        Quote: taram taramych
        Lord God, does not live in the church, but in the souls of men.

        I agree with that. Axiom.
      2. tomket
        tomket 5 September 2015 22: 24 New
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        Quote: taram taramych
        Lord God, does not live in the church, but in the souls of men.

        With full right, then we can say - the Army does not live in parts but in hearts.
        1. Oper6300
          Oper6300 6 September 2015 13: 27 New
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          And on what front do priests die? With vodka and b..di in foreign cars?
      3. EwgenyZ
        EwgenyZ 6 September 2015 23: 11 New
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        Quote: taram taramych
        Lord God, does not live in the church, but in the souls of men.

        “To whom the church is not mother, God is not the father” - St. Cyprian of Carthage.
        And to illustrate about the souls, I will give a couple of names: Joseph Smith Jr., Joseph Rutherford, William Miller. Who I will not say, there is Internet there you can see. They also thought that the Lord God lives in their souls, also did not like the priests and pastors of that time, thought of the fact that the truth was in their souls, and not in the traditional church, and decided to create their own correct churches.
    3. tomket
      tomket 5 September 2015 22: 22 New
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      Quote: EvgNik
      They also tried to teach. Hesitated.

      As my battalion commander said: "And you most of all .... hesitated ???"
  10. lockout
    lockout 5 September 2015 09: 23 New
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    Religion is an excellent tool for bringing people together. By uniting people, you can expand the empire, win wars. You can rule people by convincing them that you are, so to speak, an authorized representative of God on earth, that is, a king, the anointed of God. Religion in its ultimate goal is an element of the subjugation of people. Moreover, with an endpoint of development. There is paradise-hell, do not ask questions, act according to directions. And most importantly, do not stop big uncles from robbing and killing you, if they think it is necessary. Believe in the afterlife, and others will figure out your real life. And you have less stress on the brain, and the bosses are pleased.
    1. xtur
      xtur 5 September 2015 12: 26 New
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      > Religion is an excellent tool for bringing people together.

      > There is heaven-hell, do not ask questions, act according to directions.

      or an excellent tool for bringing people together, or not asking questions.

      In general, I would have read, perhaps for a change, at least the classics of science, in order to understand what religion is. Start with M. Weber, but do not stop there. No matter how dark the centuries are today, there is a large scientific literature on this subject. From today's scientists, read the culturologist Lidova

      Well, believers do not need to explain what religion is, they already know it.
      1. Oper6300
        Oper6300 6 September 2015 13: 46 New
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        The trouble is that “believers” (like the author) impose their views on “unbelievers”. And we (agnostics) also have rights.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 September 2015 09: 49 New
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    having shot the film "Kin-dza-dza", not understood by contemporaries?

    The author, and on what basis do you take the liberty of declaring that the film by G. Danelia was not understood and, most importantly, by contemporaries? That's just the subtext of this film was very well understood by the adult population of the country. Obviously, you watched this movie as a child, and therefore draw your own conclusions. And it’s not a noble thing to consider the pros and cons if your personal ill-wishers do not interfere in this.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 5 September 2015 10: 13 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      The author, and on what basis do you take the liberty of declaring that the film by G. Danelia was not understood and, most importantly, by contemporaries?

      Understood and appreciated. Like a not so good movie. And about the cartoon and no words. Decent.
  12. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 5 September 2015 10: 07 New
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    I liked the article. I do not agree with the author in everything, but the essence is set out correctly, the author has an idea of ​​what he is writing about, and the most important thing in my idea is that he was able to argue his position. Well, how it relates to her, in my opinion, each individual case.
  13. EvgNik
    EvgNik 5 September 2015 10: 19 New
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    "" In October 1947, Stalin invited Metropolitan Elijah to Russia. ""
    Stalin still studied at the seminary. And do not forget it.
  14. morozik
    morozik 5 September 2015 10: 54 New
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    empire rests on the people ... united! A united people creates an empire, whether with a king without it ...
    the unity of the people is ideology, culture, the true history of their ancestors, faith ...
    To dance from the fact that the overthrow of the monarchy in 17 is the collapse of the empire is myopia ...

    1. Horst78
      Horst78 5 September 2015 13: 50 New
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      Quoting Zadorny. "The lover built the ark. Scientists built the Titanic."
  15. aleksander07
    aleksander07 5 September 2015 11: 05 New
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    you can be born a Siberian, you can Nizhny Novgorod !!!!!!!! no matter how we give the geographical names, Ukraine is not a state, it is just a place on the territory of my country) geography is where people live! now there may be a majority already not people ((((( (((((
  16. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 5 September 2015 11: 09 New
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    Russian spiritual philosopher G. P. Fedotov (1886-1951) wrote (1926): “We did not want to bow to Russia — the queen who was crowned with the royal crown. He hypnotized the political face of Russia - the autocratic oppressor of nations. Together with Vladimir Pechorin we cursed Russia, with Marx hated her. And she did not endure this hatred ... The Russian State, which has always frightened us with its cruel weight, now does not exist. We helped break it with our hatred or indifference. The redemption of this guilt will be hard. ”

    A little about Fedotov (Wikipedia): “In 1918, Fedotov, together with A. A. Meyer, organized the religious and philosophical circle“ Resurrection ”and published in the magazine of this circle“ Free Voices. ”In 1920 — 1922 he taught the history of the Middle Ages in Saratov Fedotov published a number of studies on the European Middle Ages: “Letters of St. Augustine” (1911), “Gods of the Underground” (1923), “Abelard” (1924), “Feudal Life in the Lambert Chronicle” Ardsky "(1925). Fedotov’s work on Dante was banned by Soviet censorship. In 1925 Fedotov on he received permission to go to Germany to study the Middle Ages. He did not return home. He moved to France, where from 1926 to 1940 he was a professor at the St. Sergius Orthodox Theological Institute in Paris. "

    The author of the article quotes us from a man who accepted for himself permission from Germany to engage in research, and accepted the permission of the Bolsheviks to leave and deceived everyone. How can you believe the words of a deceiver! Here is his quote that “with Marx they hated her” (Russia). Marx was never in Russia and did not hate Russia.
    And here is his words: "The Russian State, which always frightened us with its cruel weight, now does not exist." - these are the words of obscurantism from theology. Russia has always existed and exists. Russia existed before the planting of Christianity, but Christianity tried to completely destroy history, education, writing and faith in the God of Slavic peoples.
    Thank God, modern archaeologists dig up historical layers and find evidence that in Slavic Russia there was writing and education, even children and women were educated and wrote letters to each other. Representatives of the modern church are struggling to impose on us that it was they who created the Slavic writing - are they Greeks or something? This modern church claims that the Slavs were barbarians and did not believe in one God for all. Lies!
  17. nikolaev
    nikolaev 5 September 2015 11: 33 New
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    Strelkov's comments on the situation in LDNR on September 5.09.2015, XNUMX
    http://vk.com/syriaassad?w=wall-32450421_501958%2Fall
    One can argue about these conclusions, but one thing is certain: this “leapfrog” harms the prestige of the Russian authorities and causes disappointment in its leaders. Which is dangerous in the current circumstances.
    This may indicate the shortsightedness of the Russian government and its dependence on the backstage.
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 5 September 2015 13: 53 New
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      Reconstructor is another fornication. Even after listening to his skazki about the Balkan war, I realized that he was a PR man.
  18. Evilcat
    Evilcat 5 September 2015 12: 27 New
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    Quote: mikh-korsakov
    The whole thing is that the USSR was not an empire. This is an invention of Westerners and our liberals. It was a centralized state. but not an empire. Proof: firstly, any empire must have an emperor, WHICH is fundamentally appointed, has inherited power, the elected is not important, but comes from the people of the metropolis, and we have Stalin is Georgian, Khrushchev is Ukrainian, other leaders are Mikoyan, Pugo, Kaganovich Dzerzhinsky - find a Russian, they were leaders, but not from the mother country; secondly, and this is the most important thing, the empire should have a METROPOLY, where wealth from the colonies flows. And that someone will tell me that the RSFSR pumped something out of someone for free, I won’t believe it.
    But Brezhnev for some reason missed. Well, it’s understandable - at the place of birth it’s like a crest, but the trouble is the parents from the Kursk province. But the USSR was an empire, and I see nothing wrong with that. How else could the bourgeoisie resist?
  19. Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 5 September 2015 16: 42 New
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    Yes, I need it! How my ancestors needed her
    With their level of education and understanding of social processes with class interests ...

    My grandfather Fyodor Semenovich, who fought in World War I and did not part with a prayer book to my attempts to explain that all miracles of Christ are refuted by elementary physical laws and other scientific achievements, carefully looking at me, said: “Well, fools all of you!"
    Vasya, understand - you cannot be Napoleon.
    Vasya thought and answered - Well, you are all fools! lol

    Is there a present-day Russia within the truncated borders of the planet Pflyug with a flourishing color differentiation of pants?
    In a sense, from the year 91, from the moment she returned to her condition, from which she left at the moment called after the Great October Socialist Revolution.

    In October 1947, Stalin invited Metropolitan Elijah to Russia.
    Another myth of the same spill as flights of the icon over Moscow.

    The meeting of Stalin with the metropolitans really took place. But - when ?! The tale of Metropolitan Elijah prefers to pay attention to this detail: “The Metropolitan acted as ordered - he transferred everything to the Soviet embassy. The embassy staff sent the corresponding package to Moscow. After some time, Stalin received a delegation of the Russian Orthodox Church in his Kremlin. ” (Povolyaev V. According to the places of prayer feats of Metropolitan Elijah // Metropolitan Elijah (Karam) and Russia. - M., 2005, p.125)
    So what is this “some time”? It turns out that two difficult war years ... This meeting took place in September 1943, that is, after a turning point during the war. There is a detailed record of this conversation - no Lebanese metropolitan and any prophecies were even mentioned there (Note by G.G. Karpov on the admission of the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church by I.V. Stalin. Published in: Odintsov M.I. Russian patriarchs of the twentieth century. M., 1994, pp. 283-291)
    The tale of the repentant Stalin says that “During the war, thousands of churches were opened in the Soviet Union. After that meeting, Stalin began to regularly meet with large Russian clergymen ”(V. Povolyaev. According to the places of prayer feats of Metropolitan Elijah // Metropolitan Iliya (Karam) and Russia. - M., 2005, p.126.).
    The thesis of regular meetings between Stalin and the Orthodox hierarchs is not supported by facts.
    But the opening of the order of several thousand churches during the war years is true. It is only necessary to clarify one thing to do: on which side of the front these temples opened.
    http://diak-kuraev.livejournal.com/26938.html

    Alexander Peresvet in a duel with the hero Chelubey, having taken off his armor, remained in only one great scheme
    Personally present? laughing

    Or maybe he is wrong?
    Maybe.

    So what, Nils, were you trying to convey with this mess of quotes, myths, speculation and distortions?
  20. Bayun
    Bayun 6 September 2015 13: 51 New
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    Getting close. It follows from faith that Russia is comprehensible by love. From geopolitics: Russia - North. From the rational, paradoxical as it may seem: Russia is a Tale. But then the author’s mind conquers the heart: “We need an Empire!” And the right conclusion: the Russian Kingdom. It seems that the same "horseradish and radish", but no. The empire is evil, and therefore they collapse as "an abomination to the Lord."

    The kingdom is good; it is for PEOPLE-RESIDENTS. I repeat: the “ideology” of the Kingdom is fabulously simple: “Live, live, and GOOD to make good.” Economy (not to be confused with the economy) - on reasonable planning (cf. market elements); mutual assistance of enterprises against competition and the prohibition of loan interest. Law on Inequality and Justice: with strong demand is stricter; with rich taxes and fines higher.

    FOR THE KING!
  21. Straight
    Straight 6 September 2015 15: 41 New
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    It is said - and the former will be the last .. Why in Christianity are the former the latter? And because today is the first, these are the first in the sense of material wealth or endowed with power, or both as a rule. But a spiritual person does not strive for material wealth and power; he seeks spiritual growth. From which we conclude - the political system of Russia and other states is anti-Christian, since we are ruled by the latter. And if we are controlled by spiritually inferior people, then here is the result. Many modern economists and scientists accuse the philosophers of antiquity of utopianism, but a real utopia is precisely the order of power in which we live. The modern social system is the system of the animal world, where they rule by brute force and whoever has this power more is the main one. And human society should be ruled by the strongest precisely in the human scale of quantities determined by humanity and spirituality. We live in an inverted pyramid. We must be ruled by spiritual giants and they are on Earth!
  22. sataha666
    sataha666 7 September 2015 11: 03 New
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    author, you yourself are not tired of dragging this liberal vyser about 1 place in the police per capita? Yes, and I think we are far from suicides.

    And so on a note, when a person has a big trouble, even an unbeliever begins to believe, just to get rid of grief, and they go to temples, and begin to teach prayers. Is World War II a small mess for you? People had such grief and fear that they were ready to believe in anything, if only all this horror would end.