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Kremlin looking for a foothold

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Kremlin looking for a foothold



Noticed how recently the Russian authorities are pressing on all sorts of bond historical and spiritual plan?

Attached the Crimea - immediately remembered Korsun. Nobody remembered for twenty years - they immediately remembered here. About St. Sophia Cathedral, which remained in Kiev - somehow they don’t really remember, but they remembered about Korsun.

About the defense of Sevastopol remembered. About the first and about the second. About the liberation of Kiev, they remembered less, but about Sevastopol - many times - on the stage, on motorcycles, even in the bathyscaphe.

The last event is the visit of Prince Dmitry Romanov to the Crimea. Moreover, the prince not only visited historical places, but also stated that he would like to move to the Crimea for permanent residence.

But not the Crimea alone.

They also recalled the millennium of the death of Prince Vladimir. Even decided to erect a monument. Not yet built, but already decided.

And they did not forget about Victory Day - they noted it in the way they never did in the Soviet Union, except in 1945. So noted, as if yesterday won. It was as if all those living today had passed through this war, were starving and getting enough sleep on 4 for the year in a row, bringing the same day in every way.

By the way, in recent years, the Victory Parade in Moscow is held even more often than in Soviet times. In the USSR, the parade was not held every year. Although the USSR was the winner, the current government, on the contrary, was the liquidators of the USSR. But the victory is celebrated with special excitement, as if they had won. The truth is not without incidents - in 2011, for example, the Russian leadership took a military parade while sitting, for the first time in the history of the country. But they just tried very hard, tired and crouched.

And you can still give many different examples.

But let's better think about why this is happening.

Why did the Kremlin begin to actively seek out various “claps” and recall distant events, iconic places, various victories, including Soviet ones, which looks somewhat curious after the deliberate elimination of the USSR.

You say that in all countries so?

No, not at all.

State and historical holidays - yes, there is. But very few are widely celebrated, and the leadership of other countries pushes no speeches on every historical date.

So you can imagine Obama driving around the country and telling the American people where he was baptized, died, resurrected or defeated the enemy in the distant past?

Or Merkel? Or Oland?

There are holidays, festivals, anniversaries all over the world, but nowhere does the head of state focus his attention on various historical dates and iconic places, as has been done recently in Russia.

Pay attention - recently!

I repeat - a few years ago for some reason they did not recall either Korsun or much more. About the Crimea before 2014, none of the authorities said at all that he should return to Russia. And then suddenly realized it ...

We can assume that the whole thing in Ukrainian Maidan. After the Maidan, the issue of uniting Russian society in the face of anti-Russian rhetoric on the part of Ukraine and Western countries was actualized.

Yes, there is such a moment.

But it seems to me that this is not the only thing.

The main reason is the lack of ideology in post-Soviet Russia.

The Soviet ideology was canceled, but no other people were introduced. And when there is no idea in society, it either falls apart, stratifies, which is very dangerous for the state, or it finds a new idea from among the most understandable and simple ones.

Russian society, being in an ideological vacuum, jumped at the idea of ​​enrichment and consumer well-being. And for zero it worked. But, as it turned out, the idea of ​​consumption is not for long.

The idea of ​​arranging private life only worked well as long as income grew, loans became more accessible, and the range of goods in stores expanded.

But in 2008, the Russian economy was confronted with a crisis that it could not really overcome. The economy of the pipe rested against the ceiling of oil prices and could not grow further.

The idea, or rather a surrogate of the idea, consumer well-being began to slip noticeably.

Gradually, Russian society began to realize that “they were pampered and that's enough,” there would no longer be eternal consumption, you need to think about something else.

And so, whether the Kremlin wanted to or not, a new idea was found.
And this idea became the so-called "Russian world".

The idea of ​​reuniting the people and returning Russia to the status of an empire, a superpower, quickly took the place of the idea of ​​consumerism, which noticeably stalled and lost its former attractiveness.

That is why the return of the Crimea met such broad support in Russia. And for the same reason immediately after the Crimea, all of Russia paid attention to the Donbass.

But here the Kremlin is faced with the fact that it cannot ensure the implementation of a new idea - the idea of ​​reuniting the people and returning Russia the status of an empire.

Purely theoretically, this is possible, because the Bolsheviks did it at one time, but the fact is that in the 1991 year, the Kremlin just exchanged superpower status and people's unity for access to foreign loans, assets, real estate and other Western goods for the post-Soviet elite, for the new Russian bourgeoisie. And the consumption that was granted to the people in zero, was also the result of the rejection of the unity and status of a superpower in 1991.

And now, in order to reassemble the country and return its status, it is necessary not only to verbally declare 1991 events a mistake, but also to practice revising privatization, nationalize many enterprises, move to a mobilization economy, re-industrialize and go on the list.

And the Kremlin is just not ready for this.

The Kremlin is at an impasse:

The Soviet ideology was betrayed, the surrogate idea of ​​consumption exhausted itself because the raw materials economy had rested on the ceiling of oil prices, and the emerging idea of ​​the Russian world and the reunification of the people, returning superpower status to Russia - in the paradigm of cooperation between the Russian bourgeois elite and the West is simply impossible and disastrous for this elite.

Roughly speaking, the compradors confrontation with the West (which is inevitable in the framework of the idea of ​​the Russian world and the restoration of Russia's superpower status) is similar to death.

That is why the Kremlin began to slip various festivals, symbolic places and events from the past to society.

The Kremlin is trying to shift the attention of Russian society from the present to the past, looking for points of support in the past.

So that the people think less about the current not very decent position of Russia in the world, when Russian politicians are dragged behind the ears at the UN and PACE, and in the territory of Donbass, the former Russian province, there is an internecine war, in which Russia also acts in a far from best way, to put it mildly .

“Let's not think about the ugly present, let's take all the best from the past and live with it,” is the logic of the Kremlin.

Here and Korsun, here and Prince Vladimir, here and the House of Romanov, here and the Great Victory.

And nothing, that the power in Russia belongs to the successors of Yeltsin and his team, who in 1991, just broke up the winners, and the CPSU was banned altogether, declaring it to be a criminal organization.

The main thing is to make a kind of mosaic from past victories, events and iconic places in order to fill this mosaic with the space that the national idea should occupy in society.

Because if you don’t fill the “place of the idea” with anything, if you don’t offer any idea to the society, or at least its surrogate, the society will either turn to the old Soviet theses or demand a “continuation of the banquet” (that is, the extension of consumption for at least ten years), either it will start demanding "the Russian world and the Russian empire", or it will find something else.

And what is most dangerous is that if society is not offered some uniform holistic ideology from above, then it will begin to split, because in the course of searching for ideas from below, some will turn to Soviet theses, others will demand a banquet, others will speak for the Russian world, the fourth for something else .

By the way, there are already signs of such a split, just as long as they are not very strong.

And what is bad is that you cannot close the ideological breach only with memories of the past.

With all the desire you can not.

Memories of the past, devoid of ideas about the future and the development program of the country - it's just a distraction and reflection.

Society can not engage in continuous reflection and live forever victories.

Memories of great victories and glorious pages in the history of Russia and the Soviet Union necessarily lead to ideas of repetition, reproduction of the best in the future.

Is the Kremlin ready to reproduce all this?

And if you play, then what?

Prince Dmitry Romanov arrived in Crimea - the question arises: will we restore the monarchy, or did he just come to visit?

They celebrated the Great Victory, as widely as the Soviet Union did not celebrate - the question arises: will we again liberate Kiev and drive the fascists further, or is it just like that, celebrated and forgotten?

They remembered Korsun - a question arises: what, is Kiev a less significant place for the Russian people than the Crimea?

We recall the glorious pages of the Russian Empire - the question arises, where did the Russian Empire go.

We recall the glorious pages of the Soviet Union - the question arises, what happened to the Soviet Union.

Therefore, the Kremlin, trying to plug the ideological breach with memories of the great past, and very different, from different historical eras, itself pushes society to questions about the future.

To questions pushes, but does not give an answer.

And the Kremlin will not do anything good until it abandons the dead-end and treacherous paradigm of enriching the elite in cooperation with the West and offers the society a program and idea aimed at the development of Russia — an idea that will fit the great past of Russia and the Soviet Union.

And until this happens, questions will accumulate in the society and the demand for answers will constantly grow.

A growing demand will necessarily lead to the fact that there will be a proposal.

And if the current government does not give an answer to questions about the future of Russia, it will not offer a worthy idea (and it is most likely not able to offer it) - this answer and this idea will be offered by someone else.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 6 September 2015 06: 12 New
    +17
    And if the current government does not give an answer to questions about the future of Russia, it will not offer a worthy idea (and it is most likely not able to offer it) - this answer and this idea will be offered by someone else.
    absolutely fair. and what the ideology proposed "from the outside" does, we see in Ukraine. during the annexation of Crimea, the people perked up a bit, a feeling of unity appeared, and ... everything ... again back to square one. again stagnation and calm.
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 6 September 2015 06: 20 New
    +24
    That is why the Kremlin began to slip various festivals, symbolic places and events from the past to society.

    The Kremlin is trying to shift the attention of Russian society from the present to the past, looking for points of support in the past.

    That would remember the history of their state. You yourself whine constantly that in the history books in schools out full. But now they began to fill in the gaps and this is bad. So what do you need then ?????

    So you can imagine Obama driving around the country and telling the American people where he was baptized, died, resurrected or defeated the enemy in the distant past?

    Or Merkel? Or Oland?

    I can not! Well, Obama will not tell how their ancestors massacred tens of millions of Indians, unleashed a bunch of warriors and more. Or Merkel will talk about Hitler. The author of the comparison is minus you. I do not give a damn about Obama, Merkel and Olanad.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 6 September 2015 06: 27 New
      +11
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Here you can imagine Obama driving around the country and telling the American people where and who baptized, died, rose, or defeated the enemy in the distant past?

      Sanya, from all that you listed, they only had - "died"! wassat
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 September 2015 06: 30 New
        +11
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Sanya, from all that you listed, they only had - "died"!

        Andrei, I have these analogies across my throat, but in the west, but Obama. Another vomit.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 6 September 2015 06: 38 New
          +9
          I agree, to draw analogies with other countries in relation to Russia is simply stupid. Tyutchev said 150 years ago: "... she has a special to become ..." yes
          1. tol100v
            tol100v 6 September 2015 07: 18 New
            -1
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            I agree, to draw analogies with other countries in relation to Russia is simply stupid. Tyutchev said 150 years ago: "... she has a special to become ..."

            Yes, and some kind of chopped Amphora!
            1. vladimir_krm
              vladimir_krm 6 September 2015 17: 41 New
              -4
              He is a whiner among those who “aimed at communism, but fell into Russia,” as Zinoviev admitted. This one aims not at communism, but at the Kremlin, but the result is the same.
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 6 September 2015 07: 47 New
            +11
            to draw analogies with other countries in relation to Russia is simply stupid.
            one hundred pluses to you for these words. Just why the Kremlin is constantly comparing and calling us into the European bright future, into a market economy.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 6 September 2015 07: 51 New
              -11
              Quote: Gardamir
              Just why the Kremlin constantly compares and calls us into a European bright future

              Russia has its own choice, it is constantly said, but whoever does not want, he will not hear.
              Quote: Gardamir
              into a market economy.

              And you want to live like in the USSR, when the economy could not even theoretically compete with the West. Excuse me without you hi
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 6 September 2015 08: 23 New
                +22
                And you want to live like in the USSR, when the economy could not even theoretically compete with the West. Excuse me without you
                Probably Serdyukov and Vasilyeva are closer to you, recently they have flooded the Internet with articles on how they boosted the economy.
                And about the Soviet Union do not speak better. You drove liberals on the ears and you believe. They competed well. Only then were the sanctions real.
                1. Hagalaz
                  Hagalaz 6 September 2015 18: 04 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  And you want to live like in the USSR, when the economy could not even theoretically compete with the West. Excuse me without you
                  Probably Serdyukov and Vasilyeva are closer to you, recently they have flooded the Internet with articles on how they boosted the economy.
                  And about the Soviet Union do not speak better. You drove liberals on the ears and you believe. They competed well. Only then were the sanctions real.

                  If they competed well, they would not fall apart in due time. And the West just played on where we were not competitive. I think liberalism has nothing to do with it. It seems that A. Romanov has his own head.
                  1. rosarioagro
                    rosarioagro 6 September 2015 18: 20 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Hagalaz
                    If they competed well, they would not fall apart in due time. And the West just played on where we were not competitive

                    Well, firstly, the USSR had an excellent sales market, which was just not enough for Western companies, and the USSR collapsed because of it, in the sense of sales markets and resources, and not because of a lack of competition
                    1. Hagalaz
                      Hagalaz 6 September 2015 22: 53 New
                      0
                      Quote: rosarioagro
                      Quote: Hagalaz
                      If they competed well, they would not fall apart in due time. And the West just played on where we were not competitive

                      Well, firstly, the USSR had an excellent sales market, which was just not enough for Western companies, and the USSR collapsed because of it, in the sense of sales markets and resources, and not because of a lack of competition

                      I am not talking about competition, but about competitiveness. Read carefully, these are different terms and concepts.
              2. giperion121
                giperion121 6 September 2015 12: 36 New
                +1
                Of course I couldn’t, the Americans won’t buy rocket engines based on Soviet developments. Civil aircraft were their own. There was an experimental 155 on cryo fuel.
                But in the conditions of the market, the global open market, our economy certainly can not compete with the western one. Read Parshev "why Russia is not America." In short, it’s cold with us, very cold. And heating and construction in such a cold are many times higher. And huge distances, remoteness from major global traffic flows. Our workforce is expensive compared to warm countries. In such conditions, it only remains to be a raw materials appendage. And then not for long, until resources are exhausted.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 6 September 2015 13: 12 New
                  +2
                  Quote: giperion121
                  In short, it’s cold with us, very cold. And heating and construction in such a cold are many times higher

                  And in the same Israel - “it’s hot there, it’s very hot .. And the cooling (air conditioning) and watering of the agricultural (yes everything in general) - is several times higher” .. and nothing - they live ..

                  Quote: giperion121
                  And vast distances, remoteness from major global traffic flows

                  Yah? And what kind of "world flows" are these? Seaports, railway communication with Europe, Asia, airplanes - what, have you canceled everything? belay

                  Quote: giperion121
                  Our workforce is expensive compared to warm countries

                  20000 salary, say? So this is about 300 bucks at the current rate .. Dear labor, say? Mdya ..

                  Quote: giperion121
                  In such conditions, it only remains to be a raw materials appendage. And then not for long, until resources are exhausted.

                  Yeah .. or produce something high-tech and with a high "degree of redistribution". You yourself said:

                  Quote: giperion121
                  Americans still buy rocket engines

                  The trouble is that in 90 all that was about this themecarefully zabolbili. Like science, however. And to restore now is not a year's business, and not even a five-year plan, IMHO.

                  Something like this..
            2. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 13 New
              +3
              And you, Leonid, read the article, the author writes about this.
            3. bastard
              bastard 6 September 2015 18: 09 New
              +2
              Quote: Gardamir
              Just why the Kremlin is constantly comparing and calling us into the European bright future, into a market economy.

              That's why :

              1. bastard
                bastard 6 September 2015 18: 12 New
                +6
                Kremlyad knows his business, Mr. Peh Je and Berel Lazar have already signed everything.
          3. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 11 New
            +1
            Exactly, Andrei Yuryevich, this is what the author told you about.
        2. go21zd45few
          go21zd45few 6 September 2015 08: 21 New
          -2
          The article is a minus, well, why do we constantly draw analogies with the West, we have our own story and are richer in the West. For comparison, how many centuries the United States and how many Russia, can not be compared.
          And what's wrong is that somewhere they decided to put a monument to Prince Vladimir to the collector of the Russian state.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 6 September 2015 09: 02 New
            +4
            Vladimir the collector of the Russian state.
            You probably have a deuce in history?
          2. KiR_RF
            KiR_RF 6 September 2015 17: 34 New
            0
            go21zd45few decided to erect a monument to Prince Vladimir to the collector of the Russian state

            Well, if you delve into History, then Prince Vladimir, not such a well-wisher, will turn out to be more closely examined (the 10th century the dawn of the “Crusades”, actually the same events were also conducted by Prince Vladimir Svyatoslavich) hi
        3. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 09 New
          0
          Dear Alexander Romanov, now for me your further actions are more clear.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 6 September 2015 07: 35 New
      +3
      Well, Obama will not tell
      But the Russian repents of everything.
    3. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 07 New
      +3
      Dear Alexander Romanov, and after you spit on the ones indicated in your comment, what next?
      Phrases like: Your suggestions ... what you offer, etc., that is, incentive sentences, constantly slip in the comments on the site. So I ask you when you do not care what's next ....
    4. Drmadfisher
      Drmadfisher 6 September 2015 09: 51 New
      -4
      I agree, the article is clearly negative
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 6 September 2015 11: 03 New
        +13
        The name is interesting: "The Kremlin in search of a fulcrum."
        Our government fell into the quagmire due to its idotism. But there are no supports in the quagmire, it was necessary to look for support earlier. In 2000. And then it’s 15 years along the curved path, and around the swamp.
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 6 September 2015 18: 09 New
          0
          Quote: baltika-18
          The name is interesting: "The Kremlin in search of a fulcrum."
          Our government fell into the quagmire due to its idotism. But there are no supports in the quagmire, it was necessary to look for support earlier. In 2000. And then it’s 15 years along the curved path, and around the swamp.

          It’s never too late to find a fulcrum. She was found even when the Poles were in the Kremlin. What is not a quagmire? Another thing is that it wouldn’t be good to bring such a thing.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 6 September 2015 20: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Hagalaz
            It’s never too late to find a fulcrum.

            But they don’t have it, therefore they will not find it, therefore all these appeals to the past. But a person does not live in the past, he needs a future, he needs a goal, for what, an idea. And any ideology should be supported by deeds, only then success. But the ideology should be accepted people, the majority of the population. So? But any ideology for the people, for the majority, will be directed against the elite, it will conflict with the interests of the elite. It is a vicious circle, therefore we do not have an ideology and there is no support point for the current government.
            Ideology for the people is a change in the system of economic relations. This is the main reason.
            1. Hagalaz
              Hagalaz 6 September 2015 22: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: baltika-18
              Quote: Hagalaz
              It’s never too late to find a fulcrum.

              But they don’t have it, therefore they will not find it, therefore all these appeals to the past. But a person does not live in the past, he needs a future, he needs a goal, for what, an idea. And any ideology should be supported by deeds, only then success. But the ideology should be accepted people, the majority of the population. So? But any ideology for the people, for the majority, will be directed against the elite, it will conflict with the interests of the elite. It is a vicious circle, therefore we do not have an ideology and there is no support point for the current government.
              Ideology for the people is a change in the system of economic relations. This is the main reason.

              Yes so. I do not argue, moreover, I agree. Just looking at the problem dialectically. Here, for example, Gardamira speaks of the five Soviet Union, that he changed in the process of its development. There is nothing static in life. The current government is not the same as it was yesterday, no matter how operational the changes seem and tomorrow will not be the same as today. Yes, you can’t live in the past, rightly. But the roots of the present and future nevertheless go back to the past. I believe that everything will turn out well with us, not with this government, but with another, maybe not with us personally. And our current one is good at least looking for support, even in the past. Some are found in consumption, in LGBT other tolerance. For me, an eternal search is better than such a certainty. Never say never. A vicious circle, say, this is on top, but if on the side? Maybe a spiral? Any vicious circles once break and go to another level.
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 6 September 2015 23: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: Hagalaz
                And our current one is good at least looking for support, even in the past.

                They won’t succeed. And everything will be fine with us. Because we are not them. It’s just that this power is coming to an end. They will not be there, but we will remain with another power and will achieve tremendous success in everything and become a true role model for all of humanity.
    5. tomket
      tomket 6 September 2015 11: 55 New
      -3
      [
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      That is why the Kremlin began to slip various festivals, symbolic places and events from the past to society.

      The Kremlin is trying to shift the attention of Russian society from the present to the past, looking for points of support in the past.

      The national idea should answer three questions. Where are we from. Who are we now. Where do we go. The author is indignant at the fact that he is slipping holidays from the distant past. Well, it reminds him of where he came from so handsome. Why does the author have such a negative reaction to the past of his people? Apparently Coca-Cola is more understandable and closer to him.
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 6 September 2015 12: 11 New
        0
        Speculation on the categorical alternative "material or spiritual". If there is material development, it means spiritual dullness and decay, and, conversely, in tattered rags, but all highly spiritual. Some kind of black and white philosophy. One certainly does not interfere with the other at all. And the "petty bourgeois" desire of people to live at least a little in abundance is quite natural and its infringement in this will undermine society and the state. So here, as in everything, the golden mean is important.
      2. Ladoga
        Ladoga 6 September 2015 18: 00 New
        +1
        About Coca-Cola there is not just a word, not even a hint, so do not whistle. I dare to suggest that the author knows better the history of our people than you. Yes, and in general, what is the author’s negative on the past of your people?
      3. Asadullah
        Asadullah 6 September 2015 23: 54 New
        -1
        Apparently Coca-Cola is more understandable and closer to him.


        I think not only. Across all Western informational trends, a surge of teenage hatred personally towards Putin, already forgotten formulations and expressions appeared. The other day, on Radio Liberty, Putin’s pants in the training room and Medvedev’s sneakers were discussing for an hour. Everything is already in the old, forgotten mocking terms. Attempts are underway to separate the leadership of Russia from citizens, to make it a caricature and common name. Isolate from society, at least in certain media circles. And here is another very revealing factor, such information outbursts are synchronous on all sides of critics of the Russian leadership. And liberals and national patriots begin to do this on command, at the same time, apparently in order to create resonant waves in the minds of the widest possible sections of the population. Ideological ticks, one side shakes the brain of the pseudo-intelligence of a half-soaked education, the second, underdeveloped consciousness, for which education is superfluous without meaning. So, besides Coca-Cola, he also has a deposit account at Wells Fargo.
    6. spiriolla-45
      spiriolla-45 6 September 2015 15: 35 New
      +4
      To prevent society from forgetting the history, the textbooks are created, and they remember the best pages of the past in order to strive to recreate them in the present conditions. Only our power does not strive for a sim, they would have to cut down more profits and besides conspiracy we have nothing to offer. And what can they offer if, apart from greed and profit, today and now they are not interested in anything. This is their essence, they are ready to bend, to humiliate themselves only to keep the stolen goods and nothing else, their brain simply cannot generate.
  3. ECT
    ECT 6 September 2015 06: 27 New
    -4
    Another liberal whim of an amateur to talk about the future of Russia. Gentlemen, bring it down to the West and let your librarian sopril go there.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 6 September 2015 07: 33 New
      +4
      How is liberalism in the country, everyone has the right to their opinion, and my comment has been deleted? For what? For not agreeing with Kremlin leadership?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 September 2015 07: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Gardamir
        How is liberalism in the country, everyone has the right to their opinion, and my comment has been deleted? For what? For not agreeing with Kremlin leadership?

        For rudeness deleted your comment!
        Although yes, who do not take everything yelling -What for?
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 6 September 2015 07: 50 New
          +7
          For rudeness deleted your comment!
          Somehow selectively treat rudeness, and this is what
          alternate liberal whimper of an amateur to talk about the future of Russia. Gentlemen, bring it down to the West and let your librarian sopril go there.
          You may not agree with the opinion, but insulting is not good, so I answered the same.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 September 2015 07: 55 New
            +6
            Quote: Gardamir
            alternate liberal whimper of an amateur to talk about the future of Russia. Gentlemen, bring it down to the West and let your librarian sopril go there.

            This is a person’s opinion about the article, not an insult to a visitor to a site.
            Quote: Gardamir
            You may not agree with the opinion, but insulting is not good, so I answered the same.

            Nobody was rude to you, but here you are vomiting from hatred for power.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 6 September 2015 08: 40 New
              +18
              This is a person’s opinion about the article, not an insult to a visitor to a site.
              insulting the author of the article, is not already considered an insult?
              tears from hatred of power.
              Compare? In the USSR, father is a carpenter, mother is a nurse and we had everything. After the army, he went to work at a factory, then studied, received a rare specialty. And then freedom came and everything fell. My father has a stroke, there is nothing to treat, because the medicine is only for money. The elder brother worked all his life on a collective farm on a tractor, was a respected man, but in the late 90s the collective farm died. Suddenly! And the brother of all zero was looking for work. Well, as I was looking, I got a job as a watchman for six months of work, got a salary for two months. In my hometown, all enterprises were destroyed, the last dairy plant. "did not fit" into the market, four years ago. Continue..?
              1. Hagalaz
                Hagalaz 6 September 2015 10: 33 New
                -3
                Quote: Gardamir
                This is a person’s opinion about the article, not an insult to a visitor to a site.
                insulting the author of the article, is not already considered an insult?
                tears from hatred of power.
                Compare? In the USSR, father is a carpenter, mother is a nurse and we had everything. After the army, he went to work at a factory, then studied, received a rare specialty. And then freedom came and everything fell. My father has a stroke, there is nothing to treat, because the medicine is only for money. The elder brother worked all his life on a collective farm on a tractor, was a respected man, but in the late 90s the collective farm died. Suddenly! And the brother of all zero was looking for work. Well, as I was looking, I got a job as a watchman for six months of work, got a salary for two months. In my hometown, all enterprises were destroyed, the last dairy plant. "did not fit" into the market, four years ago. Continue..?

                Quote: Gardamir
                This is a person’s opinion about the article, not an insult to a visitor to a site.
                insulting the author of the article, is not already considered an insult?
                tears from hatred of power.
                Compare? In the USSR, father is a carpenter, mother is a nurse and we had everything. After the army, he went to work at a factory, then studied, received a rare specialty. And then freedom came and everything fell. My father has a stroke, there is nothing to treat, because the medicine is only for money. The elder brother worked all his life on a collective farm on a tractor, was a respected man, but in the late 90s the collective farm died. Suddenly! And the brother of all zero was looking for work. Well, as I was looking, I got a job as a watchman for six months of work, got a salary for two months. In my hometown, all enterprises were destroyed, the last dairy plant. "did not fit" into the market, four years ago. Continue..?

                So it turns out, Romanov is right that he is tearing you up from PERSONAL hatred (by the way this is not a condemnation, moreover, I sympathize with you too). Yes, we all got into a mess and the truth is that God forbid living in an era of change. It’s just that you got a little more than the rest and then not for sure. And then this is certainly not the fault of the authorities as such, why one more shies, and another less. But in my city everything has been preserved to one degree or another, although a lot has been entrusted. And I work at a prestigious and sought-after enterprise, and a hard worker, not a white collar. And in the nineties and zero, I also looked for work here and there. Moreover, the wife died in the process of making money for the family, and without her I raised (praise to Gods and my parents) two boys born 95 and 97. I am also sure that someone got cooler than me and you. So it would not be necessary to give personal examples to justify state problems. And I briefly described my personal only for comparison with yours and certainly not from the expectation of approval or pity, if it suddenly appears. The fates of all are different and who gets more, some less certainly not the fault of the authorities.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 6 September 2015 10: 50 New
                  +10
                  And your personal
                  it’s just that I personally confirmed that I have a very bad attitude towards the current government. Although this was the attitude recently, after the Crimea. Yes Yes. After all, I also believed that improvements would begin, you can be proud that you are Russian. But as it turned out, it only seemed. Unfortunately, many live under the influence of this euphoria.
                  1. Hagalaz
                    Hagalaz 6 September 2015 11: 45 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    And your personal
                    it’s just that I personally confirmed that I have a very bad attitude towards the current government. Although this was the attitude recently, after the Crimea. Yes Yes. After all, I also believed that improvements would begin, you can be proud that you are Russian. But as it turned out, it only seemed. Unfortunately, many live under the influence of this euphoria.

                    So that’s what you were reproached with, that the personal thing prevents you from thinking objectively. And your personal bad attitude is still personal and in no way objective. And I showed to my personal that I have no reason to relate unambiguously bad.
                    Speak after Crimea? But where does the expectation of such rapid changes come from? History is a long business. Here you are for example about fifty dollars, if you make a mistake, it does not matter. Mentally transfer yourself to the skin of a well-to-do person (like you, for example, in the USSR), only to Russia during the Civil War. Devastation and lack of perspective. Is there a reason not to treat the government badly? Yes, improvements came later, but at that particular moment you could not know.
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 6 September 2015 13: 01 New
                      +10
                      Yes, improvements have come
                      I'm talking about other improvements, for example here http://topwar.ru/81887-blagie-namereniya-reformatorov-nas-sbivat-s-tolku-ne-dolz
                      hny.html Not money and crap, but culture and traditions. This is being taken from us. Of us, more precisely from the future generation, consumers are being prepared. Those who will live by the principles of “what’s so,” “cool yes.” As an example, I told one here. how can the Trans-Baikal Territory be leased to the Chinese, and he is to me, and what of this. not for good. So how not for good? Imagine a 50-year-old to whom they declare a lease ended let's say goodbye, they will raise a rebellion there.
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 6 September 2015 13: 35 New
                -6
                Quote: Gardamir
                insulting the author of the article, is not already considered an insult?

                Without criticism, there is no author.
                Quote: Gardamir
                ? In the USSR, father is a carpenter, mother is a nurse and we had everything

                What is all this? All your anger lies in your own failures. And you are ready to blame everyone, but not yourself.
                1. halzan7
                  halzan7 7 September 2015 09: 17 New
                  -1
                  applause to everyone and you won’t fight anyway drinks
        2. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 19 New
          -11
          Dear Alexander Romanov, here I completely agree with you.
        3. Gardamir
          Gardamir 6 September 2015 13: 35 New
          +3
          Although yes, who do not take everything yelling -What for?
          Apexander, why do you have four medals? And who can complain about you, in order to reward one more. and then power is sweetness. There are opportunities and you can get to the bottom. For some reason, it seems to me that a person with four violations does not have the right to be a moderator.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 September 2015 05: 41 New
            -2
            Quote: Gardamir
            Apexander, why do you have four medals?

            For mats
            Quote: Gardamir
            And who can complain about you

            Me lol
            Quote: Gardamir
            There are opportunities and you can get to the bottom.

            Well, you are holy and always not guilty
            Quote: Gardamir
            . For some reason, it seems to me that a person with four violations does not have the right to be a moderator.

            It seems to be baptized.
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 7 September 2015 05: 45 New
            -1
            Quote: Gardamir
            For some reason, it seems to me that a person with four violations does not have the right to be a moderator

            Inspired by: moderator - also man .. like a woman, for example laughing

            Strictly IMHO & Nothing Personal repeat
      2. the polar
        the polar 6 September 2015 08: 16 New
        0
        Yes, somehow you quickly threw cons. I just wanted to + put you, but jumped out -. Apparently lackeys pro-power here have undeniable authority
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 7 September 2015 05: 49 New
          -2
          Quote: Polar
          I just wanted to + put you, but jumped out -

          Strange somehow, huh?

          Quote: Polar
          Apparently lackeys pro-power here have undeniable authority

          There is such a thing - "multi-user systems." Something tells me that this site is one of them.

          And "pro-lackeys" are conspiracy thesis and insulting partners in the forum. IMHO.

          Somehow yes
    3. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 6 September 2015 08: 48 New
      -5
      Quote: ECT
      Another liberal whim of an amateur to talk about the future of Russia. Gentlemen, bring it down to the West and let your librarian sopril go there.

      You're right! Previously, when the term liberal was not familiar to us, the term "rotten intelligentsia" existed. This article just wets moaning rotten intelligentsia. And it would seem that everything is correct, everything is correct, yes. But. But firstly, I got the impression that the author, like the government he spit upon, does not have a concrete concept of what needs to be done! Here I am all that, directly the very sick conscience of the whole society. But now, he revealed the problem and did not offer a solution to the bushes, just like his hated government, by the way. Well, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE and that's it, but I wash my hands. Secondly, look at the style of the article - a set of abstracts that are not always related to each other. What is this, the author’s lack of harmonious, consistent thinking? As well as the consistent policy of the Kremlin. So maybe the author is just worthy of the state that he has? Unless, of course, the application of wisdom known to all to one particular person is true.
      I repeat, everything seems to be correct in the article said, but with a rotten ducky. And why did the author decide that the state must give answers to questions? Actually, we already went through this when the answers were laid from the school bench and further, according to the approved order. And everyone’s own head for what? The Kremlin draws the people's attention to the past, to the "roots". Why is that bad? Let people think for themselves, find answers. Yes, the answers may be different, but there is a danger of a split. But then a connecting idea will be needed when the split is clear. But so far, the process of comprehension has only just begun and the “soup” cannot be cooked overnight.
      Here the people criticized the practice of comparing some states with others. And why not actually? It depends on what. If one government shuts up a person’s mouth with a piece of “meat” so that there is no time to think, it makes hotels and discos out of temples, and the other returns to its roots, in an attempt, albeit awkward, to think about the future, then I am only for such comparisons.
      1. lockout
        lockout 6 September 2015 09: 01 New
        +14
        And who should answer those questions, if not the state? New revolutionaries, apparently? So you seem to be afraid of revolutions, so yes, answers to the studio, please. The author only indicates, as I see it, that the current "capitalism" gets along very badly with memories of its glorious past.
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 6 September 2015 10: 58 New
          -8
          Quote: Lockout
          And who should answer those questions, if not the state? New revolutionaries, apparently? So you seem to be afraid of revolutions, so yes, answers to the studio, please. The author only indicates, as I see it, that the current "capitalism" gets along very badly with memories of its glorious past.

          I believe that the answers to these questions should be each person individually and we are all together, because the head is the body for processing data, and not for storing ready-made information. But when the answers are brought to the studio, or to the head, then the ground for the revolutionaries. If the head does not know how to think, then it is not difficult for revolutionaries to confuse its head.
          Of course, the current government is not getting along well, only the process that we see is by no means in the final stage. And nothing in the world is static and power as well.
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 6 September 2015 13: 16 New
            0
            Maybe someone will justify that it is the state that should give the answers, and not every person should think and find the answers and not wait for everything he needs to be put into his head?
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 6 September 2015 13: 57 New
              +6
              Quote: Hagalaz
              Can someone justify that the state should give answers
              And you look at the meaning of the term "state" in the dictionary.
              And if the thinker works, and the subjectivity attributed by you to Gardamir does not obscure your eyes, then the questions about what exactly, to whom and why should the state disappear by itself.
              1. Hagalaz
                Hagalaz 6 September 2015 15: 04 New
                -2
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                Quote: Hagalaz
                Can someone justify that the state should give answers
                And you look at the meaning of the term "state" in the dictionary.
                And if the thinker works, and the subjectivity attributed by you to Gardamir does not obscure your eyes, then the questions about what exactly, to whom and why should the state disappear by itself.

                Read. BIG RUSSIAN INCYCLIPEDIA 2000 edition. Yes, I agree and quote: the power structure has ... the power to decide the organization of society .... Everything seems to be clear. But each law, in this case part of the meaning, has both a letter and a spirit. It is understood (at least in my opinion) that before dealing directly with the organization of society, if it’s not some kind of routine, the state should have an idea and what society itself thinks about the options for its organization. And if the society is in misunderstanding and disagreement, which is not visible with the armed eye on the example of our favorite site, then the state is in non-understanding. Until someone passes through with ready-made answers and saves society from the “burden” of thinking and looking for answers themselves. But only over time, society, in this case, runs the risk of yelling about dictatorship and other violence against the individual.
                Do not throw in terms, dear, subjectivity of the equally respected Gardamir does not obscure my eyes.
                I am returning to you your proposal to cut your brains, and not climb dictionaries in anticipation of ready-made answers.
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 6 September 2015 18: 40 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Hagalaz
                  It is understood (at least in my opinion) that before dealing directly with the organization of society, if it’s not some kind of routine, the state should have an idea, and what society itself thinks about the options for its organization
                  Yeah. And for this, opinion polls and referenda are held, which are the highest will of the people.

                  The last such will was a referendum on the adoption of the constitution, in accordance with which:

                  15.1. The Constitution of the Russian Federation has the highest legal force, direct effect and is applied throughout the territory of the Russian Federation. Laws and other legal acts adopted in the Russian Federation shall not contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
                  2. State authorities, local governments, officials, citizens and their associations are obliged to comply with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the laws.

                  2 Man, his rights and freedoms are the highest value. The recognition, observance and protection of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen is the duty of the state.

                  17.3. The exercise of the rights and freedoms of a person and citizen must not violate the rights and freedoms of others.

                  Section 7.1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions ensuring a decent life and free human development.

                  19.1. All are equal before the law and the court.

                  55.1. The enumeration in the Constitution of the Russian Federation of fundamental rights and freedoms shall not be construed as a denial or derogation of other universally recognized human and civil rights and freedoms.
                  2. No laws shall be enacted in the Russian Federation that abrogate or derogate the rights and freedoms of man and citizen.


                  The society spoke out about what it thinks about the options for its organization and everything else 22 years ago, and opinion polls still confirm this choice (termination and revision of the results of unconstitutional privatization, development of its own industry, inversion of schizoid reforms to commercialize and underestimate education and medicine, stopping cuts in social guarantees - all this is chosen by the democratic majority, which is the only source of power in the Russian Federation), and that is why the state is OBLIGED.

                  But ideo mustache? wassat

                  Where is the implementation of the constitutional provisions? smile


                  And what you write is from the series "pull an owl on a globe - to justify native power"
            2. Tambov Wolf
              Tambov Wolf 6 September 2015 15: 21 New
              +7
              A person elected to the state bodies people who promised and assured him that it would be the way this person likes it. But when these people, now representing the STATE, do not fulfill their promises and do the opposite, the person who elected them has every right ask from these people, and in full. You, my dear, do not transfer from a sick head to a healthy one.
              1. Hagalaz
                Hagalaz 6 September 2015 15: 51 New
                -1
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                A person elected to the state bodies people who promised and assured him that it would be the way this person likes it. But when these people, now representing the STATE, do not fulfill their promises and do the opposite, the person who elected them has every right ask from these people, and in full. You, my dear, do not transfer from a sick head to a healthy one.

                If a person who elects people in state bodies who promise him everything he likes knows how to think, then he would understand that he was lying. And then the alignment would probably be different. I, if you are about me, do not shift anything. Just you expect that someone good will pass and fulfill what you promised. If you want to ask from someone, ask. But it’s unlikely that something will work out. The whole system of managing society, both here, and primarily in the West, is based on the idea of ​​preventing a person from thinking for himself and restricting him from the possibility of asking something from the authorities. And, I think, things are not worse with us.
                If I do not directly scold the authorities, does that mean that I praise her and agree with all her actions? Scolding power is the rule of good form? Scolding means ours! No - a traitor and a loafer! smile
            3. the polar
              the polar 6 September 2015 18: 04 New
              +4
              Quote: Hagalaz
              Maybe someone will justify that it is the state that should give the answers, and not every person should think and find the answers and not wait for everything he needs to be put into his head?

              You are such an amateur to talk about everything, but the logic and elementary amount of knowledge you can not see.
              The state apparatus exists on the money of taxpayers and is obliged to scrupulously fulfill its functions and obligations enshrined in the Constitution and the code of laws, and the Constitution in Russia of direct action, I explain what “direct action” means, which means that any law adopted by an unscrupulous state apparatus and violating which Either an article of the Constitution is void initially, and the actions of the authorities that pushed through this law are called usurpations.
    4. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 18 New
      0
      ECT, did you read the article, or just comments?
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  5. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 6 September 2015 06: 36 New
    -8
    The author clearly does not like Russia and suggests taking an example from Obama and Merkel. He suggests forgetting the history of the country and bending to the West. And in order to accept this proposal, he twisted the thesis about the enrichment of the elite. I recall the instructions to the employees of Voice of America and Liberty, who were broadcasting in the USSR.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 6 September 2015 07: 01 New
      +3
      The author suggests
      Is there no lie without lies? Where does the author suggest? At first you bent first in front of America, now in front of China, only you don’t give a damn about Russia. And how do you know the instructions, worked there?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 September 2015 07: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        That you first caved in first to America,

        Not us, but the Communists!
        Quote: Gardamir
        now in front of China,

        It’s strange why the Censor thinks so too what Ahh, probably the cream of the world expert community is gathering zrad and over there.
        Quote: Gardamir
        only you do not care about Russia

        Of course, every day we sit and spit in Russia. Only you are one patriot.
        Quote: Gardamir
        And how do you know the instructions, worked there?

        Looking for a new job lol
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 6 September 2015 07: 27 New
          +10
          Not us, but the Communists!
          the Communists won in World War II, and the Democrats and Liberals in 90 began to bend, so hard that they still partner.
          Looking for a new job
          who are you? Did I remember training manuals?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 September 2015 07: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: Gardamir
            communists won the second world

            And who was not a communist did not win?
            Quote: Gardamir
            and the democrats and liberals in 90 began to cave in, so intensely,

            And liberals and democrats are those who threw their party tickets wink
            Quote: Gardamir
            that still partner.

            This is about Putin, because he is a politician and just a rather tactful person, and not a bldg like McKein.
            Quote: Gardamir
            Did I remember training manuals?

            So you have them, however wassat
            1. rosarioagro
              rosarioagro 6 September 2015 07: 45 New
              +15
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And liberals and democrats are those who threw their party tickets

              Oh, I know one such one, Putin his last name, left the party in 1991 :-)
          2. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 6 September 2015 11: 10 New
            -6
            Quote: Gardamir
            Not us, but the Communists!
            the Communists won in World War II, and the Democrats and Liberals in 90 began to bend, so hard that they still partner.
            Looking for a new job
            who are you? Did I remember training manuals?

            The Communists destroyed a country that should not be destroyed, taking advantage of the difficulties of the current moment, not without the help of the same West. And then they failed to hold in their hands what they built. When the same West took advantage of the difficulties of these same Communists. And in the Second World War, our people as a whole won, as well as in the First. That's just the same Communists prevented from seeing and realizing this victory!
            So, cons to the studio!
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 6 September 2015 11: 39 New
              +13
              So cons to the studio
              What does the pros and cons have to do with it? We all want the prosperity of our state, but we cannot come to an agreement. For example, I believe that there were five Soviet Unions. 1 from the revolution until 1929, the second Stalinist from 1929 to 1955, yes. after the death of Stalin, for some time the country followed the paved path. The third Khrushchevsky, then Brezhnevsky, well, Gorbachevsky with its perestroika and accelerations. One can certainly agree that the Soviet Union has never changed. But then why does the current government separate itself from the 90s? Or they all came from nowhere to the Kremlin, but even then in the 90s they were in power. And also as in the 90s they continue to make a feeding trough for the West from Russia. After all, what the current government is proud of are words. look at business.
              1. Hagalaz
                Hagalaz 6 September 2015 12: 42 New
                -3
                Quote: Gardamir
                So cons to the studio
                What does the pros and cons have to do with it? We all want the prosperity of our state, but we cannot come to an agreement. For example, I believe that there were five Soviet Unions. 1 from the revolution until 1929, the second Stalinist from 1929 to 1955, yes. after the death of Stalin, for some time the country followed the paved path. The third Khrushchevsky, then Brezhnevsky, well, Gorbachevsky with its perestroika and accelerations. One can certainly agree that the Soviet Union has never changed. But then why does the current government separate itself from the 90s? Or they all came from nowhere to the Kremlin, but even then in the 90s they were in power. And also as in the 90s they continue to make a feeding trough for the West from Russia. After all, what the current government is proud of are words. look at business.

                Well, to begin with, give an example according to which the current government is Proud of its achievements? I also try to follow what is happening, maybe I missed it. I see the problem is that we are always rushing between adoration and hatred of something. With the middle as it is problematic. As for power, power always and everywhere was inclined to extol its achievements and downplay the achievements of its predecessors, if not to denigrate them at all. As for some abstract power, it as an institution of society is generally not inclined to admit its wrong. In an extreme case, it will find (if there are none) objective reasons for justification.
                Your definition about the five USSR is exaggerated and it naturally changed in the framework of a given line. Again, I ask an example from which it is clear that the current government separates itself from the power of the 90s? Yes, this is the same power that is changing and which tomorrow will not be the same as today. Like all of us actually. By the way, the Soviet Union laid the first feeding trough for the West. The current gas and oil pipelines are an example of this.
    2. the polar
      the polar 6 September 2015 08: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: TBM - 75
      I recall the instructions to the employees of Voice of America and Liberty, who were broadcasting in the USSR.

      And you are an advanced comrade, you know a lot about "abroad". You are probably one of those Leningrad Chekists who were carrying suitcases behind a dog?
    3. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 24 New
      0
      Valery Mikhailovich, yes you read the article again, the author writes just the opposite. But I suggest this if you are interested, and if you just comment, then do not bother.
    4. Robinzon57
      Robinzon57 6 September 2015 15: 20 New
      +4
      If you’re not decoy, then apparently you didn’t understand what the article was about. The author is just rooting for Russia, like all thinking people. He raises the question that with such a government of our government, and possibly GDP (politically, I agree with him), our country will soon perish!
  6. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 6 September 2015 06: 36 New
    +8
    The author, so invite Merkel in Berlin to hold a parade on May 8 of each year. If they have something to be proud of on this day. And we have something to be proud of on the 9th of MAY.
    Seems Plato said-
    The people who do not know their past, have no future.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 6 September 2015 07: 09 New
      +4
      A people who do not know their past, have no future
      Do you know? What flag was Victory under? What orders do veterans have? For me, the memory of my father is to celebrate Victory Day, as he noted. And this whole regiment was created so that there was no parade.
      And if you are such a connoisseur of the past, recall what was great on June 12th.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 6 September 2015 07: 52 New
        +11
        [quote = Guardamir] [quote] Under which flag was Victory? What orders do veterans have? For me, the memory of my father is to celebrate Victory Day, as he noted. And this whole regiment was created so that there was no parade.
        And if you are such an expert on the past, recall what was great on June 12. [/ quote]
        I don’t want to remember about 12 of June and will not, it’s not my holiday. The question is, under what banner did Suvorov, Kutuzov, Nakhimov win? Or is it no longer our homeland and not our history? And you can no longer be proud of them?
        1. the polar
          the polar 6 September 2015 09: 01 New
          +13
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9

          I don’t want to remember about 12 of June and will not, it’s not my holiday. The question is, under what banner did Suvorov, Kutuzov, Nakhimov win? Or is it no longer our homeland and not our history? And you can no longer be proud of them?

          You are engaged in dirty speculation, trying to compare the victories of Suvorov, Kutuzov and Nakhimov with the Victory in the Great Patriotic War, when the Soviet people won the bloodiest war in world history, defeating the united fascist Europe, having suffered millions of victims, and defended the USSR and its right to human dignity , for the equal rights of all, the right to work and free education and medicine.
          The Soviet people won the Great Victory, which the Kremlin inventors of the "Old Testament bonds" collect every day, in all the media and on all TV channels, screaming about the mediocre Stalin and his marshals, about the gulags and the bloody specialists.
          And by the way, why now military schools for teenagers are no longer called "Suvorov, Nakhimov", and began to call them "Cadet"? In honor of the "Constitutional Democrats" or what? Why did Suvorov and Nakhimov not please?
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 6 September 2015 09: 18 New
            +4
            You are engaged in dirty speculation, trying to compare the victories of Suvorov, Kutuzov and Nakhimov with the Victory in the Great Patriotic War, when the Soviet people won the bloodiest war in world history, defeating the united fascist Europe,

            Stop! But what about the war of 1812 when the troops of Kutuzov drove the French from Moscow ceased to be Patriotic? I do not belittle at all the merits of the SOVIET SOLDIER and bow before him, but I also always need to remember RUSSIAN SOLDIERS. By the way, my grandfather also died in the Great Patriotic War. So there is no speculation on my part!
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          3. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 6 September 2015 14: 07 New
            -1
            Quote: Polar
            Quote: Kos_kalinki9

            I don’t want to remember about 12 of June and will not, it’s not my holiday. The question is, under what banner did Suvorov, Kutuzov, Nakhimov win? Or is it no longer our homeland and not our history? And you can no longer be proud of them?

            You do dirty speculation ...

            I do not see speculation. And here you are engaged in a dirty lie. The Suvorov and Nakhimov schools, as they were called so, are called now. Cadets studied in them, now they may be called cadets, I am not aware. Yes, Cadet Corps appeared in the regions, with a status lower than the above. But so what is wrong with this, if in the past they called such disciples, that is, cadets?
            And the wars of the past seemed to the people of those times no less bloody than the last World War. And for example, do you consider that defense of Sevastopol less dramatic than that led by the communists? In both cases, the people fought first and foremost under the same banners as their military leaders. So there is less pathos Polar, what people did in the last war, the same people have repeatedly done in many previous ones. And why did you get the idea that the obsessing of Stalin, the military leaders and the gulags are obsessing the people as a whole? No such identification! This is just the most natural speculation on your part. And by the way, something I haven’t seen lately such media shows in recent years. At least there were those where they thoughtfully and objectively tried to rethink the rubbish of the 90s.
        2. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 6 September 2015 11: 15 New
          0
          [quote = Kos_kalinki9] [quote = Guardamir] [quote] What flag was the Victory under? What orders do veterans have? For me, the memory of my father is to celebrate Victory Day, as he noted. And this whole regiment was created so that there was no parade.
          And if you are such an expert on the past, recall what was great on June 12. [/ quote]
          I don’t want to remember about June 12 and will not, it’s not my holiday. The question is, under what banner did Suvorov, Kutuzov, Nakhimov win? Or is it no longer our homeland and not our history? And you can no longer be proud of them? [/ Quote]
          Wah dear! The lousy took off the tongue. hi
        3. baltika-18
          baltika-18 6 September 2015 13: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          I don’t want to remember about June 12 and will not, it’s not my holiday. The question is, under what banner did Suvorov, Kutuzov, Nakhimov win?

          And by the way, under what banner were these victories won? Tricolor does not roll, it became state on May 11, 1896. Not a single victory was won under it.
          1. rosarioagro
            rosarioagro 6 September 2015 17: 07 New
            +3
            Quote: baltika-18
            He doesn’t roll the tricolor, he became state on May 11, 1896. Not a single victory was won under him.

            Oops, they didn’t look into history to choose a banner for the country under which there were no victories.
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              1. rosarioagro
                rosarioagro 6 September 2015 18: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: baltika-18
                Where are we already. P

                No, I'm not talking about you, it's about those who chose him in 1991 :-)
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 6 September 2015 20: 14 New
                  0
                  Quote: rosarioagro
                  No, I'm not talking about you, it's about those who chose him in 1991 :-)

                  I didn’t understand. I apologize.
          2. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 6 September 2015 18: 23 New
            -5
            Quote: baltika-18
            Quote: Kos_kalinki9
            I don’t want to remember about June 12 and will not, it’s not my holiday. The question is, under what banner did Suvorov, Kutuzov, Nakhimov win?

            And by the way, under what banner were these victories won? Tricolor does not roll, it became state on May 11, 1896. Not a single victory was won under it.

            Well, one would be for sure, if not for Lenin. So 1: 1 with red. Unless, of course, the victory over part of his own people is considered civilian.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 6 September 2015 20: 16 New
              0
              Quote: Hagalaz
              Well, one would be for sure, if not for Lenin.

              It would unfortunately not be considered.
        4. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 6 September 2015 14: 38 New
          +4
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          and under what banner did Suvorov, Kutuzov, Nakhimov win?
          Suvorov (1730-1800), Kutuzov (1745-1813) and Nakhimov (1802-1855) could not win under the supposedly identical current tricolor simply because this flag was registered by the decree of Peter of January 20, 1705 (PSZ No. 2021) has been approved as a flag for commercial shipswalking on the Moscow River, Volga and Northern Dvina "(In the so-called" Kiev flag table "of 1709, white-blue-red has already been named the only trade flag of Russia. In 1718, in a French translation of the book of K. Alard published in Amsterdam are depicted military Andreevsky and trading three-cavity Russian flags).
          And it remained so until April 28, 1883 - when Alexander the 3rd signed the "Order of the Flags for the decoration of buildings in solemn occasions."

          And he only became national in the 1896 year.

          But everywhere there is a tricolor, and not those - historical banners under which Suvorov, Kutuzov and Nakhimov won.
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 6 September 2015 16: 22 New
            -1
            Quote: Uncle Joe


            And he only became national in the 1896 year.

            But everywhere there is a tricolor, and not those - historical banners under which Suvorov, Kutuzov and Nakhimov won.

            With your encyclopedic knowledge, you could tell here under what banners Russia has fought for centuries. Why don't you negotiate? It is interesting to write only what is in spite of someone? And it’s not the main thing. The main thing is that the people defended their homeland and won victories not only under the red. That is the essence of this microdiscussion in the framework of another.
            1. the polar
              the polar 6 September 2015 17: 52 New
              +2
              Quote: Hagalaz
              Quote: Uncle Joe


              And he only became national in the 1896 year.

              But everywhere there is a tricolor, and not those - historical banners under which Suvorov, Kutuzov and Nakhimov won.

              With your encyclopedic knowledge, you could tell here under what banners Russia has fought for centuries. Why don't you negotiate? It is interesting to write only what is in spite of someone? And it’s not the main thing. The main thing is that the people defended their homeland and won victories not only under the red. That is the essence of this microdiscussion in the framework of another.

              And you can’t see the idea of ​​understanding in Moscow in any way what you understand for what the peasants fought and died in the imperial wars of Russia?
              And for what, for what idea did the citizens of the USSR fight and die; workers, peasants, engineers in the Great Patriotic War ...
              1. Hagalaz
                Hagalaz 6 September 2015 18: 46 New
                -2
                What is mosk, and who are you? I assume you are addressing me? What about mosk? In what word is an eyepiece, Moscow or the brain?
                If you are about Moscow, then I do not live there. And if about the brain, then it comes, even as it comes. And where did you read about the imperial wars of Russia from me, the view on them is ambiguous, and certainly I am not proud of them. And I am proud of the citizens of Russia, workers, peasants and engineers of those years when the enemy came to our land. They fought and died in spite of power, which had never been perfect in history, for the conquerors never brought improvement.
                1. the polar
                  the polar 6 September 2015 20: 09 New
                  0
                  And what do you call the wars of imperial Russia that it waged in the 19 century, including the First World War? What have peasants and workers raped from these wars ?, whom they drove to any war like cattle. And by the way, since you are so proud of the 1812 war of the year, do you remember what political situation preceded the Napoleonic invasion? Which by the way could very well not have taken place if not for the silly Alexander.
                  1. Hagalaz
                    Hagalaz 6 September 2015 22: 04 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Polar
                    And what do you call the wars of imperial Russia that it waged in the 19 century, including the First World War? What have peasants and workers raped from these wars ?, whom they drove to any war like cattle. And by the way, since you are so proud of the 1812 war of the year, do you remember what political situation preceded the Napoleonic invasion? Which by the way could very well not have taken place if not for the silly Alexander.

                    I can’t name it at all, you have already named them. World War I occurred at 20m. I suggest you be careful when pronouncing the terms and mention any political situations. After all, it all depends on the difference in interpretation and worldview in general. But this can be done like this: they drove you like cattle to anyone, but who invented the squadron detachment? Silly Alexander, how do you like the bloodthirsty Lenin or Stalin? The political situation, how do you see the political situation before the Second World War, and then the Great Patriotic War? After all, if not for the indisputable and ambiguous actions of some rulers, too, everything could have gone according to a different scenario. Who cares what the causes of each particular war are still argued about. When the enemy came to our land, namely I am talking about these cases, the land was first defended (which I am proud of) for it’s nefig, and then they discussed why and who is to blame. What would happen if on the contrary it is not difficult to imagine.
            2. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 6 September 2015 18: 13 New
              +2
              Quote: Hagalaz
              With your encyclopedic knowledge, you could tell here, under what banners Russia has fought for centuries
              With your non-encyclopedic knowledge, you should have got it, and then you would have known that Russia at different periods had a bunch of different banners - princely, tsarist and imperial, but there was no national / state, which in 1896 became the flag of the merchant navy.

              Why don't you negotiate?
              Why are you?
              For what purpose are you asking these empty questions, especially since you have no complaints about the facts I mentioned and conclusions made on their basis, that I cannot and cannot have?

              The main thing is that the people defended their homeland and won victories not only under the red
              And under which - it doesn’t matter, yeah laughing

              Well, under what banners did the people win, and why, when celebrating these historical victories, instead of these glorious banners, you can see only tricolor?
              1. Hagalaz
                Hagalaz 6 September 2015 21: 06 New
                0
                Claims? Yes God is with you! It seemed to you. I have no right to make claims to you, just like someone else, just like you to me. The presence of encyclopedic knowledge, which is undoubtedly a virtue, does not necessarily endow a person with the ability to draw the right conclusions. A computer, if you know it, can also store a lot of things, but it is just a computer.
                I don’t agree, you don’t agree ... After thinking, I decided not to develop this topic, if only because, in addition to everything else, neither I nor you need this. So I agree, the question is really empty. Conditionally.
                "And under which it doesn’t matter laughing"What kind of ernism? I refuse to understand what’s funny about this. You might think that once you start defending under one and under the other when changing, refuse. In retrospect, yes, it doesn’t matter, the homeland is in danger.
                There are many victories and banners, one tricolor for the celebration. Why alone, this is to the organizers of the holidays. For unification, it is possible to create a single image. Trade flag as a state? There are enough absurdities in history. And not only with us.
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 6 September 2015 21: 52 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Hagalaz
                  I do not agree, you do not negotiate ...
                  Jumping off the topic I interpret as a lack of position.

                  I refuse to understand what is so funny
                  I explain: if in reality it was so - "The main thing is that the people defended their homeland and won victories"if for you specific characters would not matter, there would not be such a continuation - "not only under red".
                  But it is, and the awkward lie is ridiculous.

                  Homeland is in danger
                  Since you love talking about the homeland, let me ask you 3 personal questions - what is the homeland, why should it be loved, why should it be defended?

                  There are many victories and banners, one tricolor for the celebration. Why alone, this is to the organizers of the holidays.
                  Then what was it - "Why aren't you negotiating?" ? smile

                  There are enough absurdities in history. And not only with us.
                  And they have blacks hanging laughing
                  This, my dear, is not history - it is modernity.

                  PS Especially for those who have no encyclopedic knowledge repeat
                  1. Hagalaz
                    Hagalaz 6 September 2015 23: 45 New
                    0
                    How and what to interpret is your right, I do not mind, I have enough of mine. If you consider yourself a winner in this discussion, I do not mind. He turned out to be unable to defend his opinion, yes there is, but did not debate all night. But the presence of pluses suggests that there are people who think in the same vein as oia. and this is their only value. In general, your interpretations are only your interpretations, not the ultimate truth. Regardless of the time and if I could say what you would consider a weighty argument.
                    PS Especially for the owners of encyclopedic knowledge and the author of this demotivator, the question is, why did you get that on the engraving is a red flag, flag, as you like, take any term that carries ideological significance. Drevlyany left you an explanation? So voice it. I see an image of pennants on the engraving, speaking in a familiar term, I don’t know what they were called in antiquity, just as I don’t know why the pennant turned out to be red on this engraving. Can you say that there were no other colors? In any case, a pennant is not a flag. His purpose is different. Prove that this is the flag and what is the meaning of the ancients invested in its color.
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 7 September 2015 00: 06 New
                      0
                      Quote: Hagalaz
                      But the presence of pluses suggests that there are people who think in the same vein as me, and this is their only value

                      Are they people? or plus sign? (yes I understood, I understood .. just - it turned out funny lol )

                      Quote: Hagalaz
                      I see an image of pennants on the engraving, speaking in a familiar term, I don’t know what they were called in antiquity, just as I don’t know why the pennant turned out to be red on this engraving

                      I give the version - the one who drew the other paint didn’t have, for example .. or - then they didn’t know how to dye the fabric in a different color .. too - for example .. laughing

                      In general, you are right - everything is very .. ambiguous ..
                    2. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 7 September 2015 00: 49 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Hagalaz
                      In general, your interpretations are only your interpretations, not the ultimate truth
                      "Logical" bully

                      and why did you get that the engraving has a red flag, a flag, as you like, take any term that carries ideological meaning
                      Did I take it? recourse

                      Ideology is a worldview based on a system of values ​​(a dyad is good / bad)

                      The banner has no ideological significance - its meaning is symbolic.

                      Red is the symbol of the army, the color of blood, the color of the oath on blood, the color of beauty, the color of truth.
                      Although I suspect that it will be very difficult to explain the meaning of ancient Russian symbolism to a person who uses the Scandinavian rune as a nickname, the meaning of which he apparently does not even suspect lol

                      I don’t know why the pennant turned red in this engraving
                      Yes because laughing






    2. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 25 New
      -1
      It’s exactly Constantine, and the author has noticed it well.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 6 September 2015 09: 34 New
        +1
        Vladimir, thanks. I read the article for the first time and did not understand the meaning, and only then I realized that the author was trying to explain to us that we must know the history of our GREAT MOTHERLAND. The whole story, with all its advantages and disadvantages, and not be distracted by the momentary.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 September 2015 06: 40 New
    +1
    Strange, the author writes with irony that the Victory Day was celebrated "It was celebrated as if it had won yesterday." What's bad about it? And why, and most importantly, why are comparisons made with the West? The West showed how it relates to May 9th in Russia. What do we care where they go and what they say Merkel and Hollande (unless of course this does not apply to attacks against Russia). Why our leadership should adapt to someone. In my opinion, the article is not correct.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 6 September 2015 07: 43 New
      +6
      What's bad about it?
      Of course there is no bad thing, but first of all, see how power distracts us from the essential. What in the country, we have no time, we are discussing Obama, Poroshenko. We have been created the image of the enemy and power, every day he defeats, and no one cares about education, health care.
      And read the second part, everyone was indignant, but why the authorities do not want to hold the answer for the past 90 and for the present ...
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 6 September 2015 15: 00 New
        +8
        Quote: Gardamir
        but why the government does not want to hold the answer for the past 90 and for the present ...
        Because: laughing

        Putin - "Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, along with the new Russia, has gone the hardest, but necessary transformations. Headed the process of fundamental changes, who brought Russia out of the impasse. Russia received a rebirth. She became a civilized open state., and the role of the first president in the formation of this state is huge.
        It was at this time that Russia was born open and thinking about people, democratic institutions were formed, the Russian Constitution was adopted, which proclaimed the supreme value of human rights and freedom. "
        http://top.rbc.ru/society/01/02/2011/536637.shtml

        Putin - "The death of Yegor Timurovich Gaidar - bereavement for Russia, for all of us. There is no real citizen and patriot, a strong-minded person, a talented scientist, writer and practitioner. Not every statesman has the opportunity serve the Fatherland at the most critical stages of its history, make key decisions that will determine the future of the country.
        The blessed memory of Yegor Gaidar will forever remain in the hearts of his family and friends, all who knew this wonderful person. "
        http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=331463&tid=75735

        Putin - "Chubais and his associates in the 90s did a lot errorsHowever, they managed to radically change the structure of the economy. I believe that both he and a number of those people who worked with him then, of course, made many mistakes. And a certain image has formed, but someone had to do what they did. They changed the whole structure of the Russian economy and essentially changed the pace of development. "
        http://vz.ru/news/2013/4/25/630312.html
    2. giperion121
      giperion121 6 September 2015 12: 58 New
      +5
      The bad thing was that at the time of the parade all these troops were very necessary in the Donbass to stop the killing of Russians. And remembering Putin’s words
      “If we see that this chaos begins in the eastern regions, if people ask us for help, and we already have an official appeal from the current legitimate president (Yanukovych), then we reserve the right to use all means available to us to protect these citizens . And we consider it quite legitimate ... "
      “I want you to understand me clearly. If we make such a decision, only to protect Ukrainian citizens, and let someone from among the servicemen try to shoot their people, behind whom we will stand behind. Let them try to shoot women and children. I will look at those who give such an order in Ukraine. ”
  8. samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 September 2015 06: 44 New
    +12
    "Is the Kremlin ready to reproduce all this?" is the key phrase of the author.
    While the "elite" will combine a flash mob in temples with helicopter hunts - all this ideology looks like schizophrenia ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 September 2015 07: 01 New
      -2
      Quote: samarin1969
      While the "elite" will combine a flash mob in temples with helicopter hunts

      Well, everyone has their own positive and everyone sees what he wants to see. As the State Department, I see here, but I don’t notice there.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 6 September 2015 08: 44 New
        +13
        , I see here, but I don’t notice there.
        I see Crimea, but I don’t notice part of the Barents Sea donated to Norway, I don’t notice the rent of Transbaikalia either. And the game zone for state money was opened in Primorye, so just proud?
  9. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 6 September 2015 07: 06 New
    -2
    I read the article about three times. The author has piled a lot of excess (IMHO). And about Victory Day and about the Grand Duke and about EBN and about PACE with the UN. And the meaning of the article, in my opinion, is short and clear .-
    And now, in order to reassemble the country and return its status, it is necessary not only to verbally declare 1991 events a mistake, but also to practice revising privatization, nationalize many enterprises, move to a mobilization economy, re-industrialize and go on the list.

    And the Kremlin is just not ready for this.
    The attitude to the article is twofold. On the one hand, is the author right in something, and on the other ...?
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 6 September 2015 08: 56 New
      +5
      emotions even spill out of the monitor, so the article is perceived ambiguously. And many do not want to admit that the government also has something to criticize for.
  10. Putinets
    Putinets 6 September 2015 07: 13 New
    -12
    The article contains only malice and nothing constructive.
    And the message in the end is still the same old - to take away and share. By the way, and the author himself is ready to go to a mobilization economy, sleep at the machine and get a term if he quits his job? I doubt however
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 6 September 2015 07: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: Putin
      . By the way, the author himself is ready to move to a mobilization economy

      And how do you imagine this when many enterprises are private?
    2. the polar
      the polar 6 September 2015 09: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: Putin
      and the author himself is ready to go to a mobilization economy, sleep at the machine and get a term if he quits his job? I doubt however

      And you, darling, I don’t know how old you are, you worked in the USSR, slept at the bench, and shook with fear, afraid to get a term for an extra trip to the toilet?
      However, I doubt it, but the fact that an illiterate provocateur is not at all.
    3. lockout
      lockout 6 September 2015 09: 40 New
      0
      You yourself are not disgusted to post this hackneyed comment for the millionth time?
  11. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 6 September 2015 07: 18 New
    +11
    The article is awkward, but the idea is correct. Distract the people with their great past, without providing a program for the development of the country, a national idea. People are constantly distracted from the country's problems. Remember what the problem was before Ukraine? Hachiki in Moscow. The nation-wide wave went all over the country - they came in large numbers. Maidan appeared - and the bearded are already in fashion, they even win Eurovision. And the funniest thing in the series of these “maneuvers” was the transition either to “winter time” or to “summer” with a general referendum, as if there were no other problems in the country.

    The correct article, it picks up only cons because of crooked words that are too emotionally designed.

  12. vovanpain
    vovanpain 6 September 2015 07: 21 New
    +8
    But what do we catch now every sneeze of these Western verbiage and take it under a visor? We’ve taken it since 1991, and consumerism has gone from all of these left .... o Gorbachev’s Yeltsin Gaidars and other cattle. And on May 9 it’s holy and not you have to make fun of it. Minus to the author.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 6 September 2015 08: 00 New
      +12
      Do not mock the author of the holiday. Understand you. This is the power to sit using all means. No one admits, but I remember. how the whole country was in love with Gorbachev, now the same thing, no one wants to learn from mistakes.
      1. one
        one 6 September 2015 08: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Gardamir
        but i remember. how the whole country was in love with Gorbachev, now the same thing, no one wants to learn from mistakes.

        Yes, no one was in love with the spotted one, except for the State Department, our lysooblyudov, including the media.
        and the people are just a chance ...
        1. olimpiada15
          olimpiada15 6 September 2015 13: 29 New
          -1
          This is not so, under Gorbachev, reforms began, profit began to remain in the enterprise and was spent on the social sphere, people began to live better and Gorbachev was popular among the people, i.e. where reforms have led to changes for the better.
          But I also understand that this was not everywhere, even more likely there have been few improvements:
          unprofitable enterprises lost additional funding, defense companies were left without government orders, and units withdrawn from eastern Europe were in a difficult situation.
          In life, everything is always ambiguous.
      2. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 28 New
        -1
        I believe that you are right, Leonid, such a tendency has a place to be.
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      4. Aleksander
        Aleksander 6 September 2015 11: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: Gardamir
        but i remember. how the whole country was in love with Gorbachev


        Never loved that illiterate soft-bodied talker. For his whole life he remembered him: "And now the deputy from MarieИ "this scarecrow did not even know his country!
  13. Semurg
    Semurg 6 September 2015 07: 33 New
    +1
    one of the very smart or great said about the direct connection between patriotism, power, refuge and villains. But Russia has something special to become, you cannot understand it with your mind, and you can only believe in it. They began to build fences with ditches on the border with the Dnieper-Dnieper, fencing themselves off from the enthusiasm of New Russia, and they also believe in Russia there. In the decaying west, one slogan is enrich yourself. In Russia it was for faith, the tsar and the fatherland. Then for Stalin, the Bolsheviks and the fatherland. Then for the "bright future, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the fatherland. Then for the Mercy yachts and the fatherland. And today, for the" Russian world "there are bonds and the fatherland. True, the intervals between the change of slogans are reduced well, this is probably the dictate of an accelerating stream True, at all times patriotism is not forgotten by all authorities and the fatherland is always the third component.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 6 September 2015 07: 46 New
      +6
      Quote: Semurg
      And today, for the "Russian world", the braces and the fatherland.

      but they don’t refuse yachts :-)
  14. Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 September 2015 07: 34 New
    0
    The author approached the description one-sidedly. After all, the current victories also did not come from nowhere. Crimea, a new army, new weapons and more. It has been forged for years. Factories rose, equipment was modernized on them. The troops learned to fight in a new way .. And what we see now is the result of many years of work. And a kind of victory over the ruin of 90's. And a question for the author after. And what was celebrated in parades until the 45 year? At parades, at holidays, at demonstrations. There was still no war, but they were celebrating ... So I won’t put a minus, but an article with a sweet spot ...
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 6 September 2015 07: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      And what was celebrated in parades until the 45th year?

      Another anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, May 1 holiday
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 33 New
        0
        Dear rosarioagro, were there any parades on May 1st?
        1. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 6 September 2015 09: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          Dear rosarioagro, were there any parades on May 1st?

          Well demonstrations, it's a kind of workers parade
        2. Amurets
          Amurets 6 September 2015 17: 03 New
          +1
          Yes there have been! On May 9th it was not and on May 1st there were. If I am not mistaken from 1918. In honor of the May Day workers of Chicago.
    2. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 32 New
      +3
      Alexey, where do you live, if not secret

      Factories rose, equipment was modernized on them.


      This phrase suits Stalin, but does not fit the group of GDP / DAM and comrades.
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 6 September 2015 18: 54 New
        -1
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        Alexey, where do you live, if not secret

        Factories rose, equipment was modernized on them.


        This phrase suits Stalin, but does not fit the group of GDP / DAM and comrades.

        So I work at the factory and this is not a joke. The plant survived 90 and also rose. I see that the equipment is being modernized. Glitches apparently.
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 6 September 2015 22: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Hagalaz
          I see that the equipment is being modernized. Glitches apparently.
          Apparently lol

          http://www.gks.ru/wps/wcm/connect/rosstat_main/rosstat/ru/statistics/efficiency/
          #
  15. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 6 September 2015 07: 43 New
    +1
    The idea of ​​the Russian world was already in the 19th century, there were also Westerners and Slavophiles, but as a result, the idea of ​​internationalism triumphed, I wonder if the lessons of history do not go for power?
    1. jktu66
      jktu66 6 September 2015 09: 04 New
      +2
      The idea of ​​the Russian world was already in the 19th century, there were also Westerners and Slavophiles, but as a result, the idea of ​​internationalism prevailed
      The idea of ​​internationalism was barked on June 22, 1941, when the German proletarian did not turn his bayonet against his bourgeois, who encroached on the first Soviet state in the world, but bombed two women in Sevastopol who became the first victims of the Great War (in my opinion, it became the Patriotic War in 1942)
      1. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 6 September 2015 09: 30 New
        -4
        Quote: jktu66
        The idea of ​​internationalism barked June 22, 1941

        what do you say, but didn’t the international of the working people of the USSR win? Or in 1944, Romania did not turn bayonets against Antonescu, or in Yugoslavia there was no struggle against fascism?
      2. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 6 September 2015 15: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: jktu66
        The idea of ​​internationalism barked June 22, 1941
        Yah? laughing
        And how many nations (and their individual representatives) fought with the Nazis - 0.5?

        when the German proletarian did not turn his bayonet against his bourgeois, who encroached on the world's first Soviet state, and bombed two women in Sevastopol
        But this is very indicative, but not in the sense as you imagine it.

        In Germany, the mass of communites and other anti-fascists tried for a long time to shout to people, but were not heard, and the herd preferred "brackets" and "German world" to sanity and class interests.

        And the Communists, along with other anti-fascists, were declared national traitors (by the way, the label "national traitor" used by Putin has a Hitler’s name "mine kampf") and were physically destroyed under the approving "hail" of people who placed the state and "special the path "of the German nation, and expressing close to one hundred percent approval of the actions of the head of their capitalist state.

        “The masses have not reached the point of assaulting capitalism, but that the idea of ​​an assault is ripening in the minds of the masses - there can hardly be any doubt about this. Eloquently, at least such facts as the Spanish revolution overthrowing the regime of fascism speak eloquently, and the growth of Soviet districts in China, which the combined counter-revolution of the Chinese and foreign bourgeoisie is not able to stop.
        This, in fact, explains the fact that the ruling classes of the capitalist countries are diligently destroying or nullifying the last vestiges of parliamentarism and bourgeois democracy that can be used by the working class in its struggle against the oppressors, the communist parties are driven underground and go over to openly terrorist methods preserving their dictatorship.
        Chauvinism and the preparation of war, as the main elements of foreign policy, curbing the working class and terror in the field of domestic politics, as a necessary means to strengthen the rear of future military fronts, are what are now especially important for modern imperialist politicians.
        Not surprisingly, fascism has now become the most fashionable commodity among militant bourgeois politicians. I am talking not only about fascism in general, but primarily about fascism of the German type, which is incorrectly called National Socialism, because with the most careful examination it is impossible to find even an atom of socialism in it.
        In this connection, the victory of fascism in Germany must be regarded not only as a sign of the weakness of the working class and the result of the betrayal of social democracy by the working class, which cleared the way for fascism. It must also be regarded as a sign of the weakness of the bourgeoisie, as a sign that the bourgeoisie is no longer able to dominate the old methods of parliamentarism and bourgeois democracy, as a result of which it is forced to resort to terrorist methods of government in domestic politics, as a sign that it is not in forces to find a way out of the current situation on the basis of a peaceful foreign policy, which is why she is forced to resort to a policy of war.
        I. Stalin vol. 13 p. 292-294 1934.
  16. Gardamir
    Gardamir 6 September 2015 08: 04 New
    +8
    And the Kremlin will not do anything good until it abandons the dead-end and treacherous paradigm of enriching the elite in cooperation with the West and offers the society a program and idea aimed at the development of Russia — an idea that will fit the great past of Russia and the Soviet Union.

    And until this happens, questions will accumulate in the society and the demand for answers will constantly grow.

    A growing demand will necessarily lead to the fact that there will be a proposal.

    And if the current government does not give an answer to questions about the future of Russia, it will not offer a worthy idea (and it is most likely not able to offer it) - this answer and this idea will be offered by someone else.

    Has anyone read this before, or did everyone hasten to express their indignation?
    1. jktu66
      jktu66 6 September 2015 09: 10 New
      -3
      Has anyone read this before, or did everyone hasten to express their indignation?
      And what is in this passage of the opus new, or interesting, or funny ??
      There are always people to whom the authorities may propose that everything will not be worthy.
    2. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 35 New
      +1
      Leonid, and you read the rest, try to read the article in the complex.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 6 September 2015 10: 17 New
        +2
        and you read the rest,
        just everyone discusses only the beginning of the article.
  17. Barakuda
    Barakuda 6 September 2015 08: 14 New
    +1
    Actually, I DID NOT FORGET about the above. Maybe he studied well and his parents were constantly called up ... But you need to know the HISTORY, any promises are already +.
  18. fsps
    fsps 6 September 2015 08: 42 New
    -2
    For some reason, no one recalls Orthodoxy. If you do not turn it into a Communist Party, with forced prayers, etc., this is very even in Russian.
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 6 September 2015 19: 07 New
      -1
      Quote: fsps
      For some reason, no one recalls Orthodoxy. If you do not turn it into a Communist Party, with forced prayers, etc., this is very even in Russian.

      The fact of the matter is that people are offered to look for roots, but many do not want to look for roots below the CPSU layer.
  19. Nonna
    Nonna 6 September 2015 08: 52 New
    +5
    the beginning of the article by the author was not ice. Chewed everything like first graders. But in the middle and the end it was corrected. And the fact that the people in Russia is divided according to political preferences and these preferences are not in favor of United Russia is a fact.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 6 September 2015 21: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Nonna
      And the fact that the people in Russia is divided according to political preferences and these preferences are not in favor of United Russia is a fact.

      But EdRo wins, and this is also a fact.
  20. rica1952
    rica1952 6 September 2015 09: 05 New
    +8
    Our government serves the clan oligarchic system, Serdyukov is an example of this, Vasilyev’s privatization of the Sheremetyevo airport and so on. This government has its own ideology - enrichment due to the looting of the country. Therefore, there’s nothing to expect from compradors
  21. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 6 September 2015 09: 10 New
    +6
    Moments are indicated correctly. If you take ordinary people, then he begins to irritate the active pedaling of past achievements and immediately spit in the face in the form of a basil. Crimea Crimea Crimea - and the most complete impotence with the Donbass. A circus with dollar and euro rates. Price increase. Sakhalin governor tricks. Dmitry Donskoy cannot fix this.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 6 September 2015 09: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: Stauffenberg
      Sakhalin governor tricks.

      For some reason Yevtushenkov was already forgotten, he was like with a bracelet and with a clear conscience and at large
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 6 September 2015 21: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Stauffenberg
      -and the most complete impotence with the Donbass.

      Not impotence, fear. So managed from the Russian Spring that the Bandera junta for partners recognized.
  22. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 6 September 2015 09: 50 New
    +4
    The article is interesting, I agree that there will be emotional busting, but the very idea of ​​the country's leadership lacking a national idea and the impossibility of its emergence in the context of the implementation of the previous political and economic course is presented by the author correctly, reasonably and accurately.
    Well, as for the "urapatriots," what to do, there were both Gapon and Suvorov in Russia, there is no getting anywhere from this. I do not think that the author infringed anyone on the issue of patriotism, he gave the most simplified example. Here, of course, it would be desirable to use something else, because after reading this comparison, “cheers-patriots” immediately got rid of tons of emotional pain in the form of lack of culture and simply rudeness, and this of course did not give many people the possibility of real understanding of the article.
  23. shinobi
    shinobi 6 September 2015 10: 01 New
    -6
    I don’t like critics - and criticism. I don’t like the ideas of power, offer your own. Although I would like to be in my opuses. To say that everything is bad for people living in my country is stupid. We know best of all what is good and what is not. And frankly asking for a beating.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 6 September 2015 10: 23 New
      +3
      http://leo-tigr.livejournal.com/23794.html
      for example, here are my suggestions, but what's the point? We live in liberal bourgeois Russia with a bias in contempt for our past. Does the current government need such proposals?
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 6 September 2015 19: 12 New
        -1
        Quote: Gardamir
        http://leo-tigr.livejournal.com/23794.html
        for example, here are my suggestions, but what's the point? We live in liberal bourgeois Russia with a bias in contempt for our past. Does the current government need such proposals?

        Oh oh By raising contempt for the past, efforts were made by the Communists in the USSR.
  24. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 6 September 2015 10: 16 New
    +2
    It is high time to make a social movement on the basis of VO. People are scattered throughout the country, working in all areas. Perfect option!
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 6 September 2015 10: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Stauffenberg
      It is high time to make a social movement on the basis of VO.

      then they will say how at the beginning of 2014 about the not legitimate military junta :-)
    2. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 6 September 2015 19: 20 New
      0
      What movement, what are you talking about? The only link in the majority is patriotism. But an assessment of the past and a look at ways to achieve a brighter future are very different. As in the country as a whole, however.
  25. Aleksander
    Aleksander 6 September 2015 10: 34 New
    +2
    So you can imagine Obama driving around the country and telling the American people where he was baptized, died, resurrected or defeated the enemy in the distant past?


    So no, his country stories, there’s nothing to tell yes
  26. Alekst
    Alekst 6 September 2015 10: 43 New
    +2
    And if the current government does not give an answer to questions about the future of Russia, it will not offer a worthy idea (and it is most likely not able to offer it) - this answer and this idea will be offered by someone else.
    How naive people are. Who is this someone else?
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 6 September 2015 15: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Alekst
      How naive people are. Who is this someone else?
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 6 September 2015 19: 31 New
        -1
        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Quote: Alekst
        How naive people are. Who is this someone else?
        For Uncle Joe.
        What are you saying! No, well, the words then certainly look right. Like any demagogy. The only thing that they managed to achieve using this slogan was that the rich did not become, and the poor remained poor. Of course, there is no need to speak of abundance.
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 6 September 2015 23: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: Hagalaz
          What are you talking about!
          What i say smile

          No, well, the words then look right of course
          So it's great laughing

          Like any demagogy
          So preventing the conversion of the right words into demagogy, as well as the full implementation of these words in practice, is your task, not grandfather Vova, who clarified and chewed everything to such an extent that it remains only to put and swallow it in your mouth.

          But it’s boring for you to read Lenin, and you prefer to repeat the liberoid snowstorm about him, invented specifically to prevent the implementation of the above correct words.

          So who is to blame for this - Ilyich?

          The only thing that they managed to achieve using this slogan was that the rich did not become, and the poor remained poor. Of course, there is no need to speak of abundance.
          Laughing out loud laughing

          My dear man: wealth is a very relative thing, primarily expressing the difference in the potential consumption of material wealth in a particular culture, society, state.

          If most of the population has a monthly income of 30000 rubles, and you have 500000, you are rich. If, without changing prices, pull the rest of the population to 500000 thousand income without touching you, then you will cease to be rich without losing your purchasing power.

          However, a particular state can produce only a limited amount of benefits for a given period, while the contribution of the most highly skilled (and therefore highly paid) employee is unlikely to exceed the contribution of the lowest skilled (and therefore lower paid) employee by more than 10 times.
          This means that in a society where payment is made according to work (in terms of costs and results), there can be no rich people, and that the rich can only appear in a society where the alienation of the fruits of the majority labor is legalized (that is why the rich are always either a minority or not at all).

          The Bolsheviks committed (from the point of view of some ...) great sacrilege - they equalized the aristocracy and the people in starting conditions, and ruled out the possibility of having any income other than by work (for which they hate them), as a result of which there were no rich , and, as a result, there are no more poor.

          And from what shit they (the Bolsheviks) pulled out the people of Russia, one can judge by the mortality rate: over 50 years of the 19th century, and until the 17th of the 20th century, the mortality rate hung around 26-30 ppm, by the middle of 20 -kh (for 9 years) he plumped to 20 ppm, by the 53rd he fell to 8 ppm (now in the Russian Federation 12-13)

          So leave these liberoid tales of the rich and the poor - huh? smile
  27. Igluxnumx
    Igluxnumx 6 September 2015 11: 08 New
    0
    To pose the right question, but not to offer at least answer options - this is liberalistic, it is a putrefactively intelligent way. Having said "A", you need to talk to the end! For example, that the state ideology is prohibited in Russia, it is so written in the Constitution of 1991 that the supremacy of international legislation over domestic is recognized in the same Constitution (i.e., the interests of Russia are not respected), that the main bank - the Central Bank of the Russian Federation - is subordinate not the leadership of the country, but the policy of the US Federal Reserve! author -> author -> author claims that there are no proposed concepts of state ideology? But what about Fedorov’s NOD, KOB, Sulakshin’s center, Glazyev’s suggestions, Delyagin’s warnings .... To put the right question and not to mention that there is a solution, it has long been found, leading economists and patriots of Russia shout about it that is it, if not the author’s PR? Article - MINUS!
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 6 September 2015 16: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: Iglu40
      For example, that state ideology is banned in Russia
      Not a state ideology is prohibited, but prohibited (the State Duma of the Russian Federation is prohibited, but it is possible through an all-Russian referendum) to establish any ideology as a state or mandatory.

      Ideology is a worldview based on a system of values.
      As a state or mandatory it can be established only in the form of a normative act (constitution, law ...), and the adoption of such a norm means legislative consolidation of the “correct” way of thinking, for violation of which, as for violation of any other norm, an administrative or criminal liability.
      For example, the ideology of Islam will suit you? lol

      so written in the Constitution of 1991
      wassat The Constitution was adopted in 93 ...
      And since you don’t know this, it means you didn’t hold it in your hands (not to mention reading it), and you write all the above stupid things from other people's words.

      that in the same Constitution the supremacy of international law is recognized
      Supremacy international treaties of the Russian Federationsigned by the President of the Russian Federation, ratified by the State Duma of the Russian Federation and the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, and approved by the President of the Russian Federation.

      Moreover, ratification is carried out in the form of adoption of a federal law, which, in accordance with part 1 of article 15 of the same constitution, cannot contradict the constitution of the Russian Federation and the laws of the Russian Federation.

      that the main bank - the Central Bank of the Russian Federation - is subordinate not to the country's leadership, but to the policy of the US Federal Reserve!
      This is generally schizophrenic nonsense.
      The only thing the Central Bank is independent of is in the implementation of its main function - ensuring the stability of the ruble - only it exercises it independently from others federal authorities.

      Moreover, the Central Bank is subject to the legislation of the Russian Federation, reports to the State Duma of the Russian Federation, and cannot take a step without the approval of the National Banking Council.

      Fedorov NOD, BOB, Sulakshin Center
      You managed to collect all the conspiratorial-sectarian schizophrenia of the Russian Internet on this topic.

      You count with a minus for the knowledge of the subject, which are taken to talk about.
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 6 September 2015 19: 44 New
        +1
        By the way, I agree. Sinful, he "swam" until one day his nose was poked.
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 6 September 2015 23: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Hagalaz
          By the way, I agree. Sinful, he "swam" until one day his nose was poked.
          For all the listed items? smile
  28. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 6 September 2015 11: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Iglu40
    there is a way out, it has long been found,

    Well, where does this exit lead, what social system is expected to exit?
  29. aerspb
    aerspb 6 September 2015 11: 53 New
    -9
    Author - go jump and don't go with your pork snout to us
  30. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 6 September 2015 11: 53 New
    +6
    Reliance on the past is not bad, rather even good and natural, but. It’s bad that “our rulers” decided to rely mainly on the recent past, this is a dead end. Because no one will ever think back the benefits of socialism to the people, but the drawbacks, with the benefits of "multinationality" being provided - at the expense of the majority, with commodity and food squalor, closed borders, the ideology of a besieged fortress and the persecution of dissidents, this will obviously be provided with pleasure. With such a set, managing a country is very easy and simple, even a moron. Any demands and needs of the people are eliminated, any, even the most ridiculous decisions of the "leadership" are being implemented, and their results are falsified. Such a “future” is not necessary for any of the ordinary people, and the country will exist on it for another five to ten years at most. In my opinion, all over the world, the only ideology that works and benefits the country and people is the building of a nation-state focused on improving the level of development and life of citizens. A complete, clear and scientific picture of the history of the state plays a role in this. And if the holidays are celebrated on a grand scale. period of Russia, why not celebrate the holidays of the rest of the thousand-year history, to re-acquaint the people with their past through the holidays. Apparently because against the background of the achievements and accomplishments of the ancestors, the current "rulers" are none with a minus sign.
  31. Governor
    Governor 6 September 2015 12: 02 New
    +7
    Quote: Kos_kalinki9
    The author, so invite Merkel in Berlin to hold a parade on May 8 of each year. If they have something to be proud of on this day. And we have something to be proud of on the 9th of MAY.
    Seems Plato said-
    The people who do not know their past, have no future.


    Yes, not about this article !!! Read it again. Although it is unlikely to see something else ...
    An article about the fact that in recent years, when the country began to plunge into economic nonexistence, the government decided to maintain the loyalty of citizens with such simple propaganda. You are not confused on what scale celebrate all these historical dates and events? Well, yes, there is something to be proud of ...
    And no one talks about the future because it does not exist! But you have an Obama monkey, there is a road.
  32. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 6 September 2015 13: 25 New
    +1
    The criticism in the article was correct, as I understand it, the author simply indicated that you can’t sit on two chairs, pretending that you are going and not sitting, even if you had a steering wheel in your hands and you beep hard. But at the same time, the author is NOT afraid to say that under the current leadership the genuine greatness of Russia will not take place, because the current authorities cannot and do not want to do what is necessary for our movement forward (bees versus honey). But without imagining ways to achieve the desired author becomes an ordinary whiner. Among other things, well, power will change to a new one in some magical way, the transition period will inevitably begin, and then we will inevitably relax even more, and then our friends and partners will buy us over. Therefore, they have to endure them with their Ulyukaev and Nabiulina.
  33. provincial
    provincial 6 September 2015 13: 33 New
    +5
    "And if the current government does not answer the questions about the future of Russia, does not offer a worthy idea (and it is most likely not able to offer it) - this answer and this idea will be offered by someone else." The authorities have long proposed and are implementing “BREAD and SHOWS.” With bread, it’s a little expensive, and the spectacles are higher than the roof. According to the principle “People picks.” Anyone else suggest an idea? WHO ..?
  34. Berthan
    Berthan 6 September 2015 14: 02 New
    +1
    ... But they celebrate victory with special excitement, as if they had won. The truth is not without incidents - in 2011, for example, the Russian leadership took a military parade while sitting, for the first time in the history of the country. But they just tried very hard, tired and crouched.

    And you can still give many different examples.

    But let's better think about why this is happening.

    Why did the Kremlin so actively search for various “bonds” and remember about distant events, about iconic places, about different victories, including Soviet ones ...



    And what's so surprising !? Is the war (still called cold, or the Big Game) - in the 91st over? Or - did it end in the 17th? Or maybe in the 1598th ?!
    Dynasties and rule changed, nothing more. There were defeats of local (in the historical sense) significance. But our very enterprise, now known under the brand name “Russian Federation”, has not gone anywhere. And the enemy has not changed much.
    And, since the war continues, then without propaganda, it is impossible. Well, and its quality ... As they say: "only he who doesn’t do a damn thing" is not mistaken))
  35. Butt
    Butt 6 September 2015 14: 21 New
    +1
    The author of the article is only a minus. And to the answer 1g1u40 / Sochi / I would add an exhaustive answer by Anatoly Wasserman - there is an ideology of socialist development and a path - genuine socialism for the peoples of Russia.
  36. Straight
    Straight 6 September 2015 15: 20 New
    +4
    The case of Vasilyeva, as a searchlight, highlighted the bitter fact that mafia clans rule in Russia and we have neither justice, nor freedom of speech, nor democracy in any form. And under such conditions, what kind of national idea are we talking about? Spiritual poverty in management structures is striking - everyone does everything, the craziest orders and decisions. No one will say - but I can’t do this, but I’ll act according to the law! If this goes on, then big difficult events await us. Once you need to be outraged, have the courage and speak out against gangster lawlessness, each in his own place.
  37. lopvlad
    lopvlad 6 September 2015 15: 50 New
    -6
    Definitely a minus. Another article by a liberalist disguised as a patriot.
    The tactics of "Putin leaked" did not give any results (people did not rush to overthrow the power) now attacked Victory Day, even began to hint "that most people have nothing to do with victory but how they celebrated."
  38. GraveBezKresta
    GraveBezKresta 6 September 2015 17: 28 New
    +3
    In my opinion, Putin is personally responsible for the abomination of lawlessness in the country. The last straw in society was the farce with Vasilyeva. Putin's fulcrum is on his "friends", not the people. But who said that these “friends” will always be his friends? The danger to Putin, in my opinion, comes precisely from his “friends”. Which already 25 years torment Russia. And Putin is responsible for the lawlessness of his "friends", whom he placed above the law.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 6 September 2015 18: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Grave without Cross
      Putin's fulcrum is on his "friends"

      More precisely, for those 40 people whom he invited to the Kremlin in January for a meeting, among which Roman Abramovich was simply called an entrepreneur :-)
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 6 September 2015 18: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: rosarioagro
        More precisely, on those 40 people whom he invited to the Kremlin in January for a meeting, among which Roman Abramovich was called simply an entrepreneur

        Right And right after this meeting (+ 1..2 of the day) - the dollar somehow stopped .. and even began to decline ..

        That's why, interesting?
        1. GraveBezKresta
          GraveBezKresta 6 September 2015 18: 34 New
          +1
          As for the dollar, do not flatter yourself. Now the course, if you recall the denomination (which is 000 off) of 65 thousand rubles (90s).
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 6 September 2015 18: 59 New
            -2
            Quote: Grave without Cross
            Now the course, if you recall the denomination

            What side is the 90's denomination for the now course? You still remember the "dollar exchange rate" under the Union laughing

            By the way, answering (sort of) a question - “for some reason the dollar stopped .. and even started to decline .. That's why, interesting?” - you did not answer him ..

            Somehow solid, IMHO ..
            1. GraveBezKresta
              GraveBezKresta 6 September 2015 19: 18 New
              +1
              By the way, about the Soviet ruble you hit the mark! The dollar was one to two or three. Speculators have one to three to five. No monetary reform has since been a denomination. So now the dollar exchange rate is 1 dollar - 65 thousand rubles, which originate from the Soviet Union, but with a denomination of 1:65.
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              the dollar somehow stopped .. and even began to decline ..

              There is nothing to comment on, I’m cutting kirdyk by definition.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 6 September 2015 19: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: Grave without Cross
                There is nothing to comment on, I’m cutting kirdyk by definition.

                There are no words laughing

                Continue in the same spirit hi
                1. GraveBezKresta
                  GraveBezKresta 6 September 2015 19: 47 New
                  0
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  YYYYYYY ...

                  I understand this is a diagnosis?
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 6 September 2015 19: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: Grave without Cross
                    I understand this is a diagnosis?

                    Exactly yes
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 6 September 2015 23: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: Grave without Cross
                but with a denomination of 1:65.

                65 cents you mean, Comrade.
                Quote: Grave without Cross
                There has been no monetary reform since then.

                I’m a little flout, the Soviet ruble was a hard currency!
                and here without .....
      2. GraveBezKresta
        GraveBezKresta 6 September 2015 18: 30 New
        +1
        Yes, absolutely right. And these 40 are not quite in sight, of course, but basically they rule the country. Or Putin rules the country for them. But the situation, it seems to me, is already changing. Too many new factors are emerging.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 6 September 2015 19: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Grave without Cross
          But the situation, it seems to me, is already changing

          Which way?

          Quote: Grave without Cross
          Too many new factors appear.

          Which ones?

          Well, very interesting yes
          1. GraveBezKresta
            GraveBezKresta 6 September 2015 19: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Which way?

            I hope in the direction of the revival of Russia.
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Which ones?

            Spiders in the bank began to bite, fewer spiders - closer to the liberation of Russia from the oligarchic yoke. (some call this yoke by another name)
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 6 September 2015 19: 35 New
              0
              Quote: Grave without Cross
              Spiders in the bank began to bite, fewer spiders - closer to the liberation of Russia from the oligarchic yoke

              Clear.

              "Nyochem", unfortunately .. but it was so interesting sad
        2. the polar
          the polar 6 September 2015 20: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: Grave without Cross
          Yes, absolutely right. And these 40 are not quite in sight, of course, but basically they rule the country. Or Putin rules the country for them. But the situation, it seems to me, is already changing. Too many new factors are emerging.

          Our great Putin, both in word and deed, has proved his loyalty to the financial oligarchy and will sign any of their pieces of paper. But as a reward, he lives for his pleasure, lives as if tomorrow is the last day ...
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 6 September 2015 20: 47 New
            +5
            I agree with you, Comrade.
            Quote: Polar
            lives as if tomorrow is the last day ...

            Unfortunately, his day is not the last ...
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  39. Radikal
    Radikal 6 September 2015 21: 24 New
    +2
    A good article is not in the eyebrow, but in .....! Do not decrease or add. The author voiced thoughts that have been in the air for a long time.
  40. Cat man null
    Cat man null 6 September 2015 21: 26 New
    -3
    Quote: Polar
    Quote: Grave without Cross

    Yes, absolutely right. And these 40 are not quite in sight, of course, but basically they rule the country. Or Putin rules the country for them. But the situation, it seems to me, is already changing. Too many new factors appear.

    Our great Putin, both in word and deed, has proved his loyalty to the financial oligarchy and will sign any of their pieces of paper. But as a reward, he lives for his pleasure, lives as if tomorrow is the last day ...

    Quote: Stroporez
    I agree with you, Comrade
    Quote: Polar
    lives as if tomorrow is the last day ...
    Unfortunately, his day is not the last ...

    Ay class laughing

    Colleagues, although you obviously don’t need anyone else (you complement each other so well wink ), let me nevertheless slightly violate your tête-à-tête:

    Quote: Grave without Cross
    ... But the situation, it seems to me, is already changing. Too many new factors appear.

    There is no need to answer this. Komrad MogilaBezKresta already tried - it turned out, IMHO, a little slurred.

    But from now on - in more detail, if possible:

    Quote: Polar
    ... Putin and the word and deed proved his allegiance financial oligarchies

    Dear Polar, please answer:

    - examples part - to the studio. Better words are not needed, Putin is a politician, and the word politician .. flexible by definition
    - exactly "financial"? Or was it just a clue? In any case, devotion to whom exactly of the oligarchs (surnames, examples of "devotion"), in your opinion, has Putin proved?

    Thank you yes
    1. GraveBezKresta
      GraveBezKresta 6 September 2015 21: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      In any case, allegiance to which of the oligarchs (surnames, examples of "devotion"), in your opinion, has Putin proved?

      Simply steamed turnip.
      There are no secrets here. The whole country knows, but you do not.
      “Why does a strategic object of national importance go into the private hands of Putin’s judo partner Rotenberg? Is this a mobilization plan? Strengthening the role of the state? Strengthening Russia's defense? Or is it again a tricky plan? Sweet things are going on under the guise of propaganda war with the USA sawing up state assets.
      "Sheremetyevo Airport will now be controlled by Rotenberg Group 16:33, Aug 28, 2015
      The Russian leader signed a decree on the consolidation of assets of Sheremetyevo Airport. According to the document signed by Vladimir Putin, private investors from the TPS Avia group owned by Arkady Rotenberg and Alexander Ponomarenko will control the capital of one of the largest airports in Russia. At the same time, the state will own at least 30 percent of the company's shares. Arkady Rotenberg’s structure will dispose of Sheremetyevo’s assets Information that Vladimir Putin plans to transfer control of Sheremetyevo to the structure of Rotenberg and Ponomarenko appeared in the press on August 25. At the same time, Arkady Rotenberg himself last year talked about the fact that TPS Avia will receive more than a controlling stake in the airport. The editors of uznayvse.ru recall that businessmen Arkady and Roman Rotenberg came under US and EU sanctions as close to Vladimir Putin.

      More details: http://www.uznayvse.ru/v-rossii/75301.html ""
      This is the backbone of the Kremlin.
      Note: but we get up from our knees.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 6 September 2015 21: 51 New
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        Quote: Grave without Cross
        Simply steamed turnip.

        First, the question was not for you, but for "the polar"
        Secondly - a lot of text. I would like to see information from you:

        Rottenberg, privatization of Sheremetyevo Airport, blocking block of shares (at least 30%) - with the state

        ALL.

        Another five dozen examples - in the studio, otherwise there is no room for conversation.

        Quote: Grave without Cross
        The whole country knows, but you do not

        I'm not interested in what, in your opinion, "the whole country knows." I wonder how the polar confirm your words. No more.

        Quote: Grave without Cross
        Note: but we get up from our knees.

        And this is your personal sexual woe ..

        Something like this.. yes
        1. GraveBezKresta
          GraveBezKresta 6 September 2015 22: 11 New
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          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Another five dozen examples - in the studio, otherwise there is no room for conversation.

          “Enjoy” the coming dream.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 6 September 2015 22: 19 New
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            Quote: Grave without Cross
            .

            Dear, can you read? Do you understand the words?

            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Firstly, the question was not for you, but for the "polar"
            Secondly - a lot of text. I would like to see information from you:

            Rottenberg, privatization of Sheremetyevo Airport, blocking block of shares (at least 30%) - with the state

            I am waiting for an answer from the polar to the original message. I heard your opinion, it, unfortunately, is not interesting to me.

            All yes
            1. the polar
              the polar 7 September 2015 10: 54 New
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              Quote: Cat Man Null

              I am waiting for an answer from the polar to the original message. I heard your opinion, it, unfortunately, is not interesting to me.
              All yes

              Your opinion, as I was convinced, is also not interesting to anyone here. But so be it, I will answer you.
              In 2008, during the next crisis, when the entire Russian "economy" collapsed into a deep w ... y, although the entire economy at that time consisted of the remnants of Soviet industrial production, including the energy sector, and the speculative-intermediary sector, the fundamental basis of the current Russian economics. So, to maintain the fundamental speculative and intermediary sector, three trillion rubles were "poured" into the Russian banking organized crime group. Where did this ocean of money flow ?, which not only did not correct the situation, but also led to massive bankruptcies and speculators, intermediaries and industrial enterprises. But in London and on the Cote d'Azur, property prices, which are snapped up by bankers and top managers, like hot cakes, have risen sharply. In 2015, another crisis came, to “fight” with which two trillion were again pumped into banks, after which the dollar soared that the Russian population was crap massively, especially those poor fellows who grabbed mortgages, etc. And where did this money go? The great and terrible Mr. Putin already made a statement that he knew all the stock speculators who had brought down the rupe by name, and a week later enthusiastically explained how the "Russian economy" would heal well, it was clear to him over the past week that they could say and what could not ...
              And now it’s your turn, darling, to present a report on where the trillions of budget money have gone and who has been welded up on it from ordinary citizens, who with their own hands and head create surplus value, the only product on which the whole state keeps.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 7 September 2015 12: 17 New
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                So .. mnogabuffff .. laughing

                Quote: polar, my processing
                - year 2008, 3 trillion rub., where did the money go?
                - year 2014, 2 trillion rub., where did the money go?

                What can I say .. a good question .. and most importantly - a specific wink

                That is, here you are offering me:

                - expand, according to 2008-2009, the amount of expenses in 3 trillion. rub. (where, by the way, is this figure? For what period is the figure?) - where did it go, what did it return, what didn’t, and so on? This is .. unrealistic, but here, on the forum, it is simply impossible.
                - do the same with 2 trillion. rub. for 2014. It’s also unrealistic.

                I’ll do it easier - I’ll try to specify your question:

                It's not me, but you argued that Putin thus “warms” the financial oligarchs. So prove it.

                So far, I see the following:

                - the sea of ​​righteous anger (yours, polar)
                - two not quite clear figures given by you
                - a clear grudge against me (I'm talking about a dove, yes). It’s not entirely clear for what reason - it wasn’t I who said that

                Quote: Polar
                .. Putin has proved his loyalty to the financial oligarchy in word and deed

                What I don’t see at all: concrete facts that it is Putin authorized theft specifically this banker specifically this amount.
                You claimed that such facts took place? Good.. facts to the studio

                Again :

                Quote: Polar
                And now it’s your turn, darling, to submit a report on where the trillions of budget money went

                - Yes, not mine, but yours .. with details - what exactly happened, what returned, what not
                - whose hands are stuck, if not returned
                - And what does Putin have to do with it ... although, okay .. we will take it for granted that Putin is to blame for everything:

                Cat threw kittens - it's Putin's fault

                Something tells me that I will not see them (facts). A pity it would be curious yes
                1. the polar
                  the polar 7 September 2015 16: 58 New
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                  Quote: Cat Man Null

                  Something tells me that I will not see them (facts). A pity it would be curious yes

                  Your Idol has already been asked the question "where is the money Zin?" And he made a helpless gesture and muttered something slurred. So you can "curiosity about the facts" directly to him. Once you yourself can’t figure out where five trillion have flowed. Oh, how he will surely show his pieces of paper with his seals and signatures.
                  But something tells me that you can’t post anything
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 7 September 2015 17: 14 New
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                    Quote: Polar
                    To your idol

                    Oh .. and who is it? I’m really - not in the subject ..

                    Quote: Polar
                    And he shrugged and muttered something slurred

                    Idol .. shaking hands (!), And even mumbling .. very erotic laughing

                    Quote: Polar
                    So you can "curiosity for facts" to turn to him directly, since you yourself can not figure out where five trillion have flowed away. Oh, how he will surely show his pieces of paper with his seals and signatures.

                    Damn .. there would be an idol - would appeal ..

                    Now - seriously, huh?

                    I understand perfectly well that the task of proving "who is really a camel" is unsolvable at our level of awareness. And this is not the only task that is unsolvable at this level of awareness.

                    Therefore, whenever I write something about conclusions on such problems, I put "in my humble opinion."

                    You believe that the money has leaked and that this is a systemic problem.
                    I (until the opposite has been proved, in any case) believe that they were spent "in the case." Part, of course, is stolen (well, how could it be otherwise), but this is already particular.

                    The question is closed for me, thank you for the answers hi
  41. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 7 September 2015 08: 42 New
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    I completely agree with the author of the article, but you can transduce as much as you like, but what did the author specifically do to hold a referendum and amend the Constitution written by the Junkers as soon as possible? So far, our basic law "does not order" us to have an ideology! And this must be fixed immediately!
    When?
  42. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 7 September 2015 09: 47 New
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    The author is not at all what he claims to be, you are worried about the lack of ideology in Russia and he doesn’t like the holidays, we have something to remember and what we are proud of, unlike the “gangster” West! I consider this article another political and ideological diversion against us all. And how "thinly" a scoundrel is trying to lead us to the idea that everything is bad and Putin is bad, etc. etc., well, just another "savior" of the poor people of Russia! And with regard to the Constitution imposed on us by traitors and their masters, something is already being done, but not all at once, too much has been done by the "perestroika" and the "democratizers"! And now the biggest critics of the current policy of Russia and Putin are those who in the 90s destroyed the USSR and methodically “ruined” Russia! Or they thought that we all forgot, they won’t wait and soon they will find a “place” in “Lefortovo” and “ Sailor silence! "
  43. Vittt
    Vittt 7 September 2015 20: 30 New
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    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Sanya, from all that you listed, they only had - "died"!

    Andrei, I have these analogies across my throat, but in the west, but Obama. Another vomit.

    Why print this junk - cheer people up? Dear comrades from VO - well, why? Or is the FSB still under control? Well, the truth is enough to keep people behind (there was censorship of VO).