US plans to hold training battles between the F-35 Lightning II and the "Russian fighter"

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The US Air Force plans to conduct a series of training battles with the participation of the fifth generation F-35 Lightning II light fighters, based at Edwards AFB, writes "Russian newspaper"... The A-4 Skyhawk attack aircraft belonging to the American private company Draken International, which specializes in providing services for simulating the enemy in training battles, was chosen as the enemy for the American aircraft. At the same time, the American military does not hide the fact that the pilots will master the tactics of combat with Russian aircraft.



“Air battles of fifth generation fighters with subsonic attack aircraft of the second generation of jet aircraft is like a battle of a real hawk with a rooster, even if it is a fighting one and even bearing the name of a“ skyhawk ”- this is how the word skyhawk is translated. Meanwhile, NATO countries have MiG-29 fighters - at least these are fourth-generation aircraft. But for some reason they do not want to converge with them in training battles F-35. However, there are explanations for this, ”the newspaper notes.

Over the past decade, modern American and European fighters have conducted many training air battles with Su-30 aircraft, and almost always the victory went to Russian-made aircraft, the newspaper writes.

So during the Cope India-2004 exercise, Indian pilots on the Su-30K defeated the American F-15 Eagle with a score of 9: 1. And in November 2005, another American-Indian exercise Cope India-2005 took place, during which the F-16C Block 50 and Su-30MKI were used. And then almost all the battles were won by Russian fighters. In 2006, Indian pilots defeated French pilots in the Mirage 2000, and in 2009, the Su-30MKI proved their superiority over the latest multirole Rafale fighters. And at the end of this summer, the best pilots of the British Air Force on the Eurofighter Typhoon lost to the Indian aces on the Su-30MKI during a joint exercise.

But the "real sensation" happened in August 2008, the newspaper notes. The Australian military planned to purchase a batch of F-35 fighters, but first decided to conduct a virtual battle between them and the Russian Su-30. Data from two aircraft were entered into a simulation computer program developed by the Americans. As a result, the Russian fourth-generation fighter outperformed the American fifth-generation fighter.

“The Pentagon said that, they say, they themselves, for reasons of secrecy, introduced into the computer the reduced capabilities of the F-35. And the capabilities of the Su-30, on the contrary, were overestimated. This is unlikely to be so, since it was a multibillion-dollar deal. In such cases, they usually overestimate just the characteristics of their own, and not other people's aircraft, ”the newspaper notes.

Therefore, now, most likely, the stake on the obviously weak aircraft - the A-4 Skyhawk - was not made by chance: the American military needs their fifth-generation fighter to be guaranteed to defeat the enemy, all the more so using "Russian tactics" of combat.
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  1. +6
    3 September 2015 05: 46
    Who cares at 5.00 Moscow time on the second button will show the parade in Beijing. Announced yesterday in the news program, on the same second button ...
    1. +19
      3 September 2015 06: 22
      Maybe then it would be better to choose La-5 for such demonstrations or the MiG-3. But then we can say for sure that they fought against Russian machines.
      1. +10
        3 September 2015 07: 09
        Maybe then it would be better if the La-5 was chosen for such demonstrations or the MiG-3
        What do you! If their car also loses to these planes ... This will be an insult for the pilots from the aviation industry of their country.
        1. 0
          3 September 2015 07: 31
          1. +4
            3 September 2015 18: 59
            Here http://putin-slil.livejournal.com/1496313.html the people raised a question about providing the Americans with our An-2 maize truck to fight the F-35, but I disappointed them:

            The author is joking in vain, the corn man can win. F-35 radar may not catch a slow flying target. The maneuverability of the maize may be higher. And the F-35 has no cannon at all. And ours from the maize plant will plant an F-35 from the "needle" right through the door and that's it ... Not to mention that our engineers will attach guns and missiles to it in 2 hours, if necessary.
        2. GDP
          +6
          3 September 2015 09: 48
          Fifth generation fighter versus deck-based subsonic attack aircraft of the 60s of the last century?
          This is not a competition - this is idiocy laughing

          Douglas A-4 Skyhawk - years of production 1954 - 1979
          The Americans fought on it in Vietnam ...

          By the way, the A-4 is a contemporary of these Soviet fighters:

      2. +3
        3 September 2015 10: 10
        I sincerely wish the F-35 good luck in these battles. Let the American pilots be confident that the same enemy awaits them in Russian planes. As historical practice shows, those who underestimate the enemy are guaranteed to wash themselves with bloody snot in the event of a collision with him.
      3. +1
        3 September 2015 10: 25
        I can highlight the ax, let them practice !!!
      4. +2
        3 September 2015 12: 32
        Quote: AnpeL
        Maybe then it would be better to choose La-5 for such demonstrations or the MiG-3. But then we can say for sure that they fought against Russian machines.

        Hulllywood, Pendosia, however. Finger gamblers. fool
      5. 0
        3 September 2015 15: 56
        ripped off my tongue, only I was behind the P-51
    2. +1
      3 September 2015 12: 23
      I wake up like a bayonet at 4.30 Moscow time. I watched and was proud of our guys. soldier
  2. +7
    3 September 2015 05: 47
    Greetings to all! That's all they have there "behind a puddle" so, some show-off.
    1. +1
      3 September 2015 05: 54
      As they say show-off is more expensive than money))
      Damn, they would have done at least with the last and eurofighter or rafal ...
  3. +2
    3 September 2015 05: 48
    "Giveaway game", what you can't do to explain the multi-million dollar spending, raise morale and increase sales ...
  4. +8
    3 September 2015 05: 48
    US plans to conduct training battles between F-35 Lightning II and "Russian fighters" A-4 Skyhawk
    -this is ridiculous already. laughing scat, shameful wolves ... wassatType deck attack aircraft
    Developer Douglas Aircraft Company
    Manufacturer McDonnell Douglas
    Chief Designer Ed Heinemann
    The first flight of June 22 1954 of the year
    Start of operation October 1956 years
    End of service 2003, US Navy
    1998, USMC
    Status in use
    Major US Navy operators
    US Marine Corps
    Years of production 1954 - February 27 1979
    Units Produced 2 960
  5. +4
    3 September 2015 05: 50
    all this recalls the history of the adoption of the American M-16 assault rifle ... bully
    1. +12
      3 September 2015 06: 06
      Quote: Volka
      all this recalls the history of the adoption of the American M-16 assault rifle ...

      Doesn't it look like it?

      1. +2
        3 September 2015 12: 01
        I advise you to watch "Pentagon Wars" in full, especially since the film was shot from the memories of some military man
  6. +12
    3 September 2015 05: 58
    Is it weak to compete with the U-2?
    1. +16
      3 September 2015 06: 46
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      Is it weak to compete with the U-2?

      A worthy rival for an American, it is also made of radio-absorbing materials, and can fly at a minimum height, bending around the folds of the terrain, and also has an advanced system for protecting the rear hemisphere!
      1. 0
        3 September 2015 12: 46
        Powers "proved" the protection of the rear hemisphere, at that time there were no diapers with lids. laughing
  7. +1
    3 September 2015 06: 07
    Takes pride in the creators of our aircraft! Keep it up!
  8. +5
    3 September 2015 06: 11
    It has long been said: A good man is against the sheep, but the sheep himself is against the good man.
  9. +7
    3 September 2015 06: 18
    Install "khibiny" on the "maize" this will be a real sensation laughing
  10. +1
    3 September 2015 06: 25
    There, the meaning is not in the plane that goes against the amerikos, but the tactics of air combat used by our pilots are copied.
    1. +3
      3 September 2015 07: 05
      Quote: Sergey-72
      the air combat tactics used by our pilots are copied.

      And you will compare the tactics of the battle of the Su-25 and the same MiG-29. A subsonic attack aircraft with rather weak electronic equipment has a lot of chances against an outdated, but supersonic front-line fighter with a still decent sighting and navigation station. The outcome will be a foregone conclusion, KMK.
  11. +1
    3 September 2015 06: 31
    Over the past decade, modern American and European fighters have conducted many training air battles with Su-30 aircraft, and almost always victory went to Russian-made aircraft.

    Therefore, they chose a subsonic attack aircraft as the "enemy". They deceive themselves. And this is even for the best. In a real battle, American pilots, who are accustomed to deceiving at the suggestion of their superiors, can expect many "surprises."
  12. ded
    +6
    3 September 2015 06: 33
    And what happens if the A-4 Skyhawk breaks into the trash of the FU-35?

    Or it will be like in a joke:

    A Georgian is sitting and playing chess with a ram.
    A passerby comes up and asks: who wins?
    And a guzin with arrogant pride answers: yes what to take from him, a ram a ram, the account 3: 3!

    So it will be here with airplanes.
  13. +4
    3 September 2015 06: 33
    F-35 against An-2! Victory guarantee !!! laughing lol
    1. 0
      3 September 2015 15: 14
      You shouldn't laugh. The An-2 forced the Americans to design a fighter capable of fighting the An-2.
      During the wars in Korea. Thermal missiles were not guided, and the low-speed target from the cannons was difficult to hit. Sometimes the Americans lost their fighters, falling into a tailspin at low speeds.
  14. +1
    3 September 2015 06: 50
    In the journal "Aviation and Cosmonautics" for 1998 (if I am not mistaken) there was a note about how training battles between F-16 and MiG-29 were conducted in South Africa. the result is 36: 0 in favor of our aircraft Yes laughing
    1. +1
      3 September 2015 07: 26
      Perhaps you are right, but in the journal "Bulletin of the Air Fleet" for 1995. number 5-6 was an article in which it was told that ours had overtaken the MiG-29S, MiG-29UB, Su-30, Su-35 (even the first version - with a front horizontal tail). And they fought with the Chita fighter (created on the basis of Mirage 3).
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  15. +1
    3 September 2015 07: 08
    Yes, you can imagine a scandal that will begin as a result of such battles with Sushka or the Moment of the latest modifications. Congressional investigation, la la la do they want it? The most expensive development program - and such a result. I was only surprised that they took their own planes - and not the MiG 15, for example. Would play for Korea laughing
  16. +4
    3 September 2015 07: 09
    the bet on an obviously weak aircraft - the A-4 Skyhawk - was not made by chance

    Everything is clear - they train on cats
    wink
  17. 0
    3 September 2015 07: 27
    I suppose the results of the battle will be classified laughing
  18. 0
    3 September 2015 07: 47
    even on the "cornfield" they will be beaten, because they do not know and with their pitiful gut do not understand what "frontal ...." is, because to defend their country and go to the "frontal ..." on "frontal ...." - THIS IS NOT HONEST !!! The pitiful gut WILL NOT ACCEPT it
  19. +1
    3 September 2015 07: 53
    at su and instant the thrust-to-weight ratio and, accordingly, the climb is more fun --- who is higher and is right in the sky ... and the fights with missiles ... in Ethiopia they fired at each other, give way, and in the end they converged on close combat and our dryers kicked Khokhlyatskiy miami ass ... the nickname for the su-27 is the killer of the MIGs - it's sad that it's not F-ok
    1. +3
      3 September 2015 10: 02
      Probably I will upset you, but the pilots who flew on both types of aircraft, said that in the "dog dump" the 29th will "roll out" the su-27, in long-range combat the su is better, with the same level of pilots. the fighter is better in the early 29s.
  20. +1
    3 September 2015 08: 06
    great commercial move. F35 has less and less in common with military technology ...
  21. +2
    3 September 2015 08: 22
    They would have competed with our "maize". Pussies, only cool warriors in the movies.
  22. 0
    3 September 2015 08: 23
    This is already a game of giveaway with oneself. Well, what would the child not amuse himself, if only he would not cry.
  23. -2
    3 September 2015 08: 36
    Maybe in the subject, maybe not, guys, but I think that in the future there will be no need to invent one weapon better than the other, because I believe that they will create a weapon that puts to sleep (read disabling) not a technique, but a MAN who controls it, because it is not a weapon that kills, but a person, a weapon neutral, unless, of course, it is microchipped by artificial intelligence, capable of analyzing, making a decision and shooting, but they are unlikely to think of it before, because except for the person himself (and even then they are mistaken) no one is able to determine who is in front of him, his own or someone else's.

    So the main task of any evolving military thought is to disable the enemy's personnel, then all his equipment will turn into a heap of useless scrap metal, because there is no one to control, since the equipment is complicated and there are few people who know how to shoot, it remains to put a small number of people to sleep, and by the way, you can put to sleep not at all, but let's say for a couple of hours or maybe a day, that's quite enough, to neutralize and tie.

    By the way, such a soporific bomb would be useful against terrorists who took hostages, imagine everything inside, both victims and criminals, a plane flies by and BOOM! drops such a bomb, everyone falls asleep and the security forces calmly enter and take the villains lukewarm. So I think the military of the whole world or only Russia, depending on who comes up with it, will work in this particular plan, but I don’t know this applies to chemical or biological weapons.
    1. +1
      3 September 2015 14: 10
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      they will create a weapon that puts to sleep (read, disabling) not a technique, but a MAN who controls it, because it is not a weapon that kills, but a person, the weapon is neutral,
      You have strange fantasies, my friend!
      Does a neutron, radiological weapon not suit you? Are you drawn to exoticism with isotherics !? Well, well, good Goodwin, damn it ...
      This is how it is the man-controlled weapon that kills. And if it is just a person without a weapon that kills, then this is a master of martial arts, hand-to-hand combat, etc.
      Mina - explodes without a person, the CD flies and destroys the target - also without a person. The perimeter so generally excluded a person from the chain of response RNA. Well, we should not forget about the combat robotic systems too ...
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      the main task of any evolving military thought is to disable the enemy's personnel, then all his equipment will turn into a heap of useless scrap metal,

      You are also a thinker! your mother ...
      Well, then they might notice a tendency (however!) To exclude a person with his unstable psycho-emotional * sphere * from the decision-making process; automation of all processes of preparation for the launch of a CD (ICBM), the development of robotic combat systems. The cyborgs are already on the doorstep, and you all * chela * put the control panel ...
      Maybe you are one of these, like him, .. ancient? Well, those who don't believe in cybernetics and other * scientific crap *?
      The Ams want to remove the military from the battlefield, replacing them with bespectacled operators sitting in protected bunkers, pressing on joysticks and driving virtually designated vehicles across enemy territory.
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  24. +2
    3 September 2015 08: 41
    More recently, it was reported in the news feed that the F-35 lost training air battles against the previous generation F-16 aircraft. Apparently taking into account the mistakes in the choice of the enemy, we decided to stop at the A-4.
  25. +3
    3 September 2015 10: 08
    I, too, when I sit down to play chess with myself, I always win !!!
    1. +1
      3 September 2015 14: 16
      Quote: Zlat070
      I, too, when I sit down to play chess with myself, I always win !!!

      Better practice solving chess problems! Then self-esteem will be more correct! lol
  26. +2
    3 September 2015 10: 33
    Why is everyone saying that with the "Russian fighter" ??? A-4 Skyhawk attack aircraft were chosen as an enemy to American aircraft, and what is Russian in them ?? Both aircraft are of American production, and even if they paint stars on this aircraft anyway, AMERICAN PILOTS WILL WIN THE AMERICAN ON AMERICAN AIRCRAFT. What is there intrigue or glory.
    1. +1
      3 September 2015 14: 23
      Quote: sisa29
      What's the intrigue

      The intrigue lies in the fact that the Skyhawk pilots will use the TACTICS of our Air Force: the initiation of the battle, close-range combat, mid-range combat, withdrawal from the battle ... Again, the tactics of group combat.
      They will train on a deliberately weak enemy in order to grasp the essence of all the enemy's tactical techniques, work out countermeasures, and so on. This is called coaching.
      And if the opponent is strong, then this is already called * pulling * the student onto the globe! laughing
  27. +1
    3 September 2015 12: 12
    I always liked it when someone refers to simulated fights. Immediately on the site there were data on the simulation of the su-35 against the f-35 and f-35 won.
    Campaign victory in the simulation comes from the location of the author that comes up with it.
    Yes, and the article is in doubt, a month ago the same was published about the a-10.
  28. +2
    3 September 2015 12: 23
    Yes they are funny wassat The United States is full of private MiGs ranging from the 15th to the 29th, it seems there is also a private Su-27, they could rent something for a training battle if they are afraid of losing again to the Indian Su-30. It's somehow frivolous to fight in the newest F-35 against an ancient attack aircraft.
    Previously, the maneuverable Northrop F-5 and the "captured" MiG-21s were used as "soviet agressors" in the exercises, and the pilots of the F-15 and F-16 sometimes lost to the "aggressors".
    1. +4
      3 September 2015 14: 14
      Quote: 0255
      The USA is full of private MiGs starting from the 15th and ending with the 29th, it seems there is also a private Su-27, they could rent something for a training battle

      You are absolutely right! Yes There are several private companies that own foreign-made aircraft.
      For example, two Su-27s (single and twin) were bought in Ukraine by the private company Pride Aircraft (pictured).

      The aircraft were repaired and certified in 2009.

      Airborne Tactical Advantage Company (ATAK) operates Hunter, Kfir A-4Skyhawk, Aero L-39 Albatros, and Drakken (pictured).

      They constantly participate in various exercises where they imitate "enemy aircraft". Based at Williamsburg International Airport.


      Draken International, Inc, mentioned in the publication, owns a fleet of 25 combat aircraft: MiG-21, AermacchiMB-339, Aero L-39 Albatros and Douglas A-4K Skyhawk.
      These aircraft are permanently based at Lakeland Linder airfield (satellite image).
  29. 0
    3 September 2015 17: 14
    Quote: AnpeL
    Maybe then it would be better to choose La-5 for such demonstrations or the MiG-3. But then we can say for sure that they fought against Russian machines.

    So amers are no strangers. They also tested their missile defense on their own outdated missiles. And then with disastrous success.
  30. +2
    3 September 2015 21: 32
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    The intrigue lies in the fact that the Skyhawk pilots will use the TACTICS of our Air Force: the initiation of the battle, close-range combat, mid-range combat, withdrawal from the battle ... Again, the tactics of group combat.

    Yes, this is certainly true, but still there must be an aircraft similar in its performance characteristics to the enemy aircraft. At one time, the Americans had the Aggressor squadron participating in the Red Flag exercises. Well, they at least took the F-5 as an "aggressor", which in those years was at least on a par with the Soviet

    Quote: mamont5
    So amers are no strangers. They also tested their missile defense on their own outdated missiles. And then with disastrous success.

    Not at all. Tested on relatively new missiles, but the fact that the tests were failures - here I agree