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Farther from Ukraine, closer to Russia

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Half a month ago, when I published a report on the state of the railway station in Donetsk on the website, in the comments there was a wish to remove a soft sign from the name of the city on the building. So that it was written not "Donetsk" in Ukrainian, but in accordance with the norms of the Russian language - "Donetsk". I inform you: this wish is fulfilled. Now the city is named in Russian.



It would seem an ordinary event. But many Donetsk residents took it with enthusiasm. They say: "We have been waiting for this for twenty years." True, they add: there would still be trains to Russia to start up ...

But on the City Day, terrible funnels caused by shelling of ukrokaratels closed up the station. And only a few missing glasses are reminiscent of what happened.



Now in Donetsk, many signs are changing with the name of streets, avenues, boulevards. Basically, this is done by volunteers on holiday dates. But the city is increasingly acquiring Russian signs and Russian features.

In the schools of the Donetsk People's Republic, the time to learn Russian will be doubled. And, accordingly, the time for studying Ukrainian has been reduced. I must say that Russia helped the children of Donbass to prepare for school.

As the Minister of Education of the DPR, Larisa Polyakova, stated, on the Knowledge Day, first-graders were given stationery kits and briefcases. Students also gave textbooks for free, unlike in Ukraine. All this - textbooks and subjects necessary for schoolchildren - was brought by a humanitarian convoy from Russia. According to Polyakova, another convoy is expected soon, in which there will also be textbooks.

The economy of the DPR and the LPR is also getting closer and closer to Russia. In the Luhansk People's Republic, the ruble has already been declared the main currency. By the same prepare and in the NPT. According to the head of the Republic, Alexander Zakharchenko, by mid-September, the Ukrainian hryvnia will become foreign currency.

Of course, the negative consequences of such a move are also expected - price increases. But the people are ready to tolerate even this, especially since there is no other way out - there is too little of the available hryvnia, the trade turnover with Ukraine has decreased too much. Guide DNR promises gradual indexation of wages, pensions and benefits. All these steps speak of one thing - the economy is reoriented towards Russia, although this is not an easy process.

Many children of Donbass have rested in Russia over the summer. And the Russian Federation continues to take children for treatment and rehabilitation. Only 2 of September, four sick children were transported to Rostov, from where they were taken by air transport EMERCOM of the Russian Federation to medical institutions in Moscow. The seriously injured boy from Gorlovka Vladik also left for treatment in Moscow, who as a result of the shelling of the city with ukrokaratels in the night from 29 to 30 in July, lost his mother. I recall that in those days they found him dead, but he miraculously survived.

Currently in Russia - and specifically in St. Petersburg - a delegation of the People’s Council of the DPR is visiting. It is headed by the Speaker of the People’s Council Andrei Purgin. Various meetings with politicians and public figures take place. Purgin appealed to the deputies of St. Petersburg with a request to share experience. Delegates also took part in a memorial service for ten volunteers from St. Petersburg who died defending the Donbass. This memorial service took place in the Alexander Nevsky Monastery.

Someone will say: what about the Minsk agreements, according to which the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics are parts of Ukraine? Well, the Ukrainian side is not fulfilling its obligations. The DPR leadership notes that the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, considering the draft law on decentralization in the second reading, does not take into account the views of Donbass. Andrei Purgin said that the proposals of Donetsk and Lugansk are not taken into account by Ukraine, despite the Minsk agreements. Donbass cannot refuse its demands. In particular, the attempt of the Ukrainian side to push its election rules on the territory of the People's Republics is unacceptable. According to these rules, Ukrainian parties responsible for the killing of civilians should also participate in these elections. And in the opinion of Kiev, the same Ukrainian mass media, which incited hatred towards Donbass and called for killing, should cover them.

Most of Donetsk residents, having heard news about the tragic events of the Verkhovna Rada, sympathizes with the dead and wounded as a result of new clashes and the explosion of a grenade. And at the same time, people say: “Thank God, that this is not with us. That we are now far from this. ” Because Ukrainian politics is like a theater of the absurd. Since the beginning of the Maidan, people have been constantly dying - “their own” and “aliens”, in war or in riots.

Kiev itself, did everything possible with its own hands to keep the Donbass away from itself and “throw” it into the arms of Russia. But supporters of the Maidan, those who came to power, are completely lacking a causal link: they do not want to see their guilt, but continue to charge it on other people's heads. But in Donetsk and Lugansk they know the truth. Therefore, they are more and more drawn not to those who kill them, but to those who, on difficult days, extended a helping hand - to Russia.

And finally - the news from the literary world. The collection of civil poetry of Donbass “Hour of Courage”, published with the assistance of the Russkiy Mir Foundation, won the Russian national award “The Best Book of the Year” in the “Poetry” nomination. This again speaks of the closest connection between Russia and the unconquered Donbas.

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  1. Gray 43
    Gray 43 3 September 2015 06: 55 New
    +6
    I don’t know the truth or the lies that in the Euro-Ukraine the children weren’t given textbooks from the word “completely”, they will be taught through links on the Internet
    1. Angara
      Angara 3 September 2015 07: 12 New
      +12
      Quote: Gray 43
      I don’t know the truth or the lies that in the Euro-Ukraine the children weren’t given textbooks from the word “completely”, they will be taught through links on the Internet

      Type: "Oh, my facebook, give the answer: should I study or not?" wassat
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 3 September 2015 07: 28 New
        +9
        Quote: Angara
        VNA Euro Ukraine children were not given textbooks from the word "completely"

        There are moaning from Svidomo (and of Donetsk origin, who left Mordor) that they give out 5-8 textbooks for each subject to the class, the rest must be bought.
        In fairness, I can say that not everything is so rosy with us either: the leadership of the regions cheerfully reports that there is everything and everyone has enough, but I constantly, every year, in search of missing textbooks or workbooks, because some deer from Department of Education suddenly decided to change the curriculum for a particular subject. But the scale, of course, cannot be compared; you have to buy a maximum of two textbooks.
      2. Das Boot
        Das Boot 3 September 2015 09: 10 New
        +11
        Quote: Angara
        Type: "Oh, my facebook, give the answer: should I study or not?"
        1. Vend
          Vend 3 September 2015 09: 25 New
          +5
          Good news. A good hairpin to squealing about the discharge of New Russia.
        2. 1982dimarik
          1982dimarik 3 September 2015 17: 32 New
          +1
          The Russians in the Donbass did not make this coup, how much can we talk about it, as in Lugansk. This is your decision, and you live with it. And the little girl needs to be left alone, she is too small to be loaded with adult problems.
    2. _Evgeny_
      _Evgeny_ 3 September 2015 11: 19 New
      +5
      there the problem is not so much that there are no textbooks ... there almost every teacher sits on the "rollback" from buying textbooks. The scheme is simple: Children come to the lesson: the teacher shows the book and says that it costs say 100 hryvnias and it MUST be bought. They are not on sale. All are discounted to a teacher who gives money to an intermediary who brings these books at cost, say 70 hryvnias. And the difference is shared between the teacher and the mediator.
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      2. kostilio007
        kostilio007 5 September 2015 17: 04 New
        +1
        my child went to school, all the textbooks were given out. Enough to invent new gossip. they are not worth it. And they do not work on the rollbacks, but everywhere. The intermediaries are now in any field, even the most finished store is an intermediary between the manufacturer and the consumer
  2. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 3 September 2015 07: 06 New
    +17
    Speaking of unity, Ukraine is doing everything to separate the Donbass. How to behave to people who have been banned from the language, kill, shut off water and electricity and at the same time declare - "Love us, otherwise it will be even worse!" Why love such a country?
    1. 1982dimarik
      1982dimarik 3 September 2015 17: 16 New
      +2
      Because we are Russian, and the people of Ukraine are brotherly to me, no one offended me, I hope no one will offend anyone in Russia either. Ukraine will gobble up itself, at the expense of their politicians, who don’t know what they’re doing. Even if they don’t have to intervene, let the Russian Bear rest for a while.
    2. Poldol
      Poldol 4 September 2015 01: 00 New
      0
      Quote: TBM - 75
      Speaking of unity, Ukraine is doing everything to separate the Donbass. How to behave to people who have been banned from the language, kill, shut off water and electricity and at the same time declare - "Love us, otherwise it will be even worse!" Why love such a country?

      Here is something like this:
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 3 September 2015 07: 18 New
    +6
    True, they add: still to let the trains to Russia ...... There is such an opinion, maybe they will let me go ... but not this year ..
    1. kostilio007
      kostilio007 5 September 2015 16: 58 New
      0
      when disarmed, maybe they’ll launch it. There’s only lazy now without weapons and explosives
  4. Iskander Khan
    Iskander Khan 3 September 2015 07: 34 New
    +40
    Even in schools, the flag and coat of arms of the DPR were painted in the lobby. One was not happy. In the Primer for Grade 1, the flag and anthem of Ukraine are immediately behind the cover. I thought the primers would be Russian. And it would be worth completely abandoning the Ukrainian. In good years, I did not like it. Why the hell are the children learning the endangered language of an enemy state?
    1. Pavel Vereshchagin
      Pavel Vereshchagin 3 September 2015 08: 12 New
      +21
      Hold on, Brothers, I hope in the near future the whole southeast from Odessa to Kharkov will learn only the Russian language and Ukrainian at will. Yes Long live NEWS.
      1. kostilio007
        kostilio007 5 September 2015 16: 56 New
        +1
        I doubt that this whole region will want to go to Novorossia, especially when it looks like there’s no life there! And people are afraid and barely survive there. I don’t see any language problems. It’s stupidly invented and promoted by the media. People both spoke Russian and say so. It’s another matter that filling out documents in Ukrainian is not convenient for everyone. But I assure you that there are no big difficulties.
    2. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 3 September 2015 09: 15 New
      -10
      Quote: Iskander Khan
      And it would be worth completely abandoning the Ukrainian. In good years, I did not like it.

      Don't you think that “disliking” a language is forgivable only to a student who is strained by lessons (but this will also apply to Russian, children are the same everywhere)? But not an adult.
      Quote: Iskander Khan
      Why the hell are the children learning the endangered language of an enemy state?

      Why is the Ukrainian dying? Because the number of native speakers is decreasing? So then, and with the Russian, not everything is so rosy, it just happens a century or two later.
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 3 September 2015 09: 44 New
        -8
        Quote: A vile skeptic
        Don't you think that “disliking” a language is forgivable only to a student who is strained by lessons (but this will also apply to Russian, children are the same everywhere)? But not an adult.

        a plus.
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 3 September 2015 22: 15 New
        +7
        Quote: A vile skeptic
        Doesn't it seem to you that to “dislike” a language is forgivable only to a schoolboy who is strained by lessons

        You see, the level of mental development also depends on how rich and perfect the language you speak and THINK is. Believe me, those who think in Ukrainian will be a little smarter than morons.
        There is no scientific component in the Ukrainian language, as well as a technical component.
        You can abandon Russian in favor of English, German or French, but not in favor of the "ridiculous Ukrainian language."
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 4 September 2015 13: 58 New
          -4
          There is no scientific component in the Ukrainian language, as well as a technical component.

          This is on what ceiling did you spy such a thoughtful statement? laughing
          Believe me, those who think in Ukrainian will be a little smarter than morons.

          After this, I would rather believe that a compass for measuring skulls is stored in your home.
          depends on how rich and perfect the language is

          Well, about the richness of the language is understandable. It is clear that you do not know anything about the Ukrainian language. And what is the perfection of the language? I dont know. Therefore, please explain.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 13 September 2015 16: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: A vile skeptic
            This is on what ceiling did you spy such a thoughtful statement?

            This is medical.
            Quote: A vile skeptic
            after this, I’ll rather believe that a compass for measuring skulls is stored in your home.

            The largest brain volume in the Chinese! It is strange that you hinted at something like that, I didn’t write anything like that, but you’re my friend, an unfinished fascist.
            Quote: A vile skeptic
            It is clear that you do not know anything about the Ukrainian language.

            For residents of the Kuban, surzhik is almost native.
      3. Iskander Khan
        Iskander Khan 4 September 2015 13: 37 New
        +3
        I treated Russian as ordinary subjects - I need to - I will learn. But the need for Ukrainian is still a mystery. When I studied, even according to state channels, the grid was mainly in Russian. Books in Russian. Music in Russian. Ukrainian was a rarity. Changed closer to the middle of the zero after 1 Maidan. That's just even Yushchenko and Poroshenko, when emotions go off scale, go to the language of the country of the aggressor.
        As long as books, films, music and, most importantly, textbooks in one or another language are published, he will not die. Ukraine stopped doing this in the first half of the 90s. Is it just music. And they were all dispersed already. So I wouldn’t hurry with the Russian. And even if so, this does not cancel the extinction of the Ukrainian.
      4. Shishiga
        Shishiga 4 September 2015 17: 32 New
        0
        Why is the Ukrainian dying? Because the number of native speakers is decreasing? So then, and with the Russian, not everything is so rosy, it just happens a century or two later.



        "The rumor of our death was greatly exaggerated."

        Paraphrasing Mark Twain.

        Or as one Jew said: "Do not wait for the banderlog."
    3. avt
      avt 3 September 2015 09: 19 New
      +13
      Quote: Iskander Khan
      Even in schools, the flag and coat of arms of the DPR were painted in the lobby.

      Quote: Vovochka15
      What they fought for, Kiev hmm ... confused, that's why they ran

      Let's drink for the Motherland, drink for STALIN, drink and pour again! drinks The faithful way of arranging a peaceful life, and even with a war that has not ended, are coming! good Equip your life as your heart wants it and for what actually fight! good And it is right !
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 3 September 2015 09: 43 New
        +14
        Quote: avt
        Let's drink for the Motherland, drink for STALIN, drink and pour again!
    4. Tanais
      Tanais 3 September 2015 11: 53 New
      +6
      Quote: Iskander Khan
      Why the hell are the children learning the endangered language of an enemy state?


      The state will die, people will remain. Then we somehow have to get along. In the form of a federation, or something like that, but the “Ukrainian home” will not go anywhere. And to crush them with forced Russification is to get from them what they received as a reaction of Donbass to the ban on speaking Russian ...
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 3 September 2015 13: 39 New
        +15
        "And crush them with violent Russification" - why violent? In Crimea, for the formation of the curriculum, everyone answered the question, in what language do they want to study? There were no people wishing to study in Ukrainian, and this is understandable. The republic is part of the Russian Federation, raised children will have the opportunity to study at any university in the country.
        Of course, we will assume that sometime peace will come in the country, and in which language they will be asked to conduct training, and Ukrainian will be in demand in Western regions, partly in others, and the rest will want to study in Russian.
        The fact is that not everyone is good at studying and it is always easy to study, therefore it is more rational to study subjects in their native language, which is the language in which a person thinks. And today, the imposition of mova is artificial, even for many of those who pursue this policy . You can say a lot about the uncertain nationality of Poroshenko, but for him, as for Tymoshenko, his native language is Russian. I repeat, a clear example of this is that when extinguishing a fire at a tank farm, only Russian speech was heard. A person can know many languages, but only one in which he thinks is native and the fact of his native language emerges in extreme conditions, when life is in danger — no one thinks about translation.
        In fact, the Russian-speaking majority in Ukraine, and not the minority, but a normal government is obliged to provide its citizens with the right to speak and learn their native language.
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 3 September 2015 13: 58 New
          +4
          Quote: olimpiada15
          "And crush them with violent Russification" - why violent? In Crimea, for the formation of the curriculum, everyone answered the question, in what language do they want to study? there were no people wishing to study in Ukrainian and this is understandable


          This is what I wrote to, so as not to go along the same curve and slippery path along which the junta went, in an attempt to FORCED, “through the knee”, the Ukrainization of the RUSSIAN-SPEAKING Donbass.

          After all, there are UKRAINIAN-SPEAKING regions, and approaching them in language matters, with the standards of the junta, will be the same crime as "Ukrainization" in relation to us ...

          They want to study and speak Ukrainian, please. We are not barbarians ... Even if TWO STATE languages, as we asked before the war ...
          1. maxim1987
            maxim1987 3 September 2015 15: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: Tanais
            After all, there are UKRAINIAN-SPEAKING regions, and approaching them in language matters, with the standards of the junta, will be the same crime as "Ukrainization" in relation to us ...


            now catch the cons winked
            I personally think that these regions are ... not needed. High geese graze. What everyone so desires to attach to the memory where the Russians since 1915 HATE
            1. Tanais
              Tanais 3 September 2015 18: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: maximNNX
              I personally think that these regions are ... not needed. High geese graze. What everyone so desires to attach to the memory where the Russians since 1915 HATE

              It will be possible to talk about the fact that it was annexed to the Ukrainian SSR after 1939, then, when ALL Ukraine will be cleared of the junta ... I think there can be a little delay in deciding their fate.

              And within the borders of 1939, there are territories within which the interests of Russia HISTORICALLY and GEOPOLITICALLY extend ...
              And they also have Ukrainian-speaking regions ...
              Therefore, at least so, at least some way, but with the Ukrainian-speaking population, you have to deal ...
              1. I read the news
                I read the news 3 September 2015 21: 32 New
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                Quote: Tanais
                was annexed after 1939

                Put after 1761 was attached
                1. Tanais
                  Tanais 4 September 2015 06: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: I readNews
                  Put after 1761 was attached

                  No matter how much one would like, but territorially the appearance of Ukraine was formed precisely in 1939, and remained unchanged until Khrushchev’s valiant and fatal decision to transfer Crimea ...
            2. Shishiga
              Shishiga 4 September 2015 17: 41 New
              +2
              High geese graze. What everyone so desires to attach to the memory where the Russians since 1915 HATE


              hi Not gentlemen, we don’t need that shit - let them panow with them.
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          3. datura23
            datura23 3 September 2015 18: 06 New
            0
            Under half measure
          4. Olezhek
            Olezhek 4 September 2015 12: 31 New
            +4
            This is what I wrote to, so as not to go along the same curve and slippery path along which the junta went, in an attempt to FORCED, “through the knee”, the Ukrainization of the RUSSIAN-SPEAKING Donbass.


            Why did the grand ducks go down this path?
            Not only on the basis of stupidity.
            The problem is that the Ukrainian language is uncompetitive in principle.
            Well, imagine the real Ukraine would declare with 91, 2, the state language ..
            What would it lead to?
            There is a great Russian literature .. Ukrainian ischo to be created.
            Newspapers and magazines .. scientific works .. technical information ..
            All in Russian in Russian in Russian ..
            for 300 years of the empire translated into mass of books and scientific works from all the languages ​​of the world
            from English to Japanese ..
            Who will bachatsvo translate all this into Ukrainian literary (which is also to be
            finish the file?)
            Ukrainian stupidly much less valuable information.
            And it is noncompetitive by definition.
            All of Africa (educated) speak either English or French.
            (well, there are still Portuguese-speaking countries.)
            Latin America, too - either the language of Cervantes or the language of Portuguese ...
            And Europe 45 million country with some local dialect - yep yep
            That is why the Ukrainian impose.
            Any attempt to have both Russian and Ukrainian will result in ousting the latter as a weak link.
            Quebec in France there and French in the English language environment
            He lives himself - but this is NOT a rural dialect.

            So the position of Kiev is quite logical - to ban the Russian language ..
            De facto
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 4 September 2015 13: 05 New
              -2
              There is a great Russian literature .. Ukrainian ischo to be created.

              That is, everything must necessarily be Great? So that later Greatness could be measured? smile
              It’s indisputable that if you ask a layman in the West who Tolstoy or Dostoevsky is (by the way, besides these two, you can’t try to ask anyone else, they don’t know the others) and who is Shevchenko or Franco, then with 99% probability they heard about the first pair, not about the second. So what? Well, ask about writers, for example, the Czech Republic, or Finland. They won’t know either. Also do not fit into your model of the Great. Does the Czech language and Suomi also have no right to life?
              And one more moment - did you read from Ukrainian works that you can judge?

              literary Ukrainian (which is also to be
              to finish with a file?

              Tell me, as an expert in the Ukrainian language, what needs to be done there?

              So the position of Kiev is quite logical - PROHIBIT Russian

              Tell me the number of the law on the prohibition of the Russian language, please. Or is it according to the OBS news agency?
              1. Olezhek
                Olezhek 5 September 2015 19: 01 New
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                That is, everything must necessarily be Great? So that later Greatness could be measured?


                Colleague - voluntarily Having studied English, I felt myself a different person.
                There is a giant layer of information in English, perhaps the largest in the world.
                Something of this translates as something .. is not always successful by the way ..

                Nevertheless, I suppose it was formed largely due to the Anglo-American fiction.
                Most of the good fiction is alas Anglo-American.
                American detective - from the literary point of view, slag is possible, BUT it is part and parcel of me.

                I'm not saying that most of the popular books published today in English.
                You take and read.

                Boast - I know not Toko English. So my favorite commissioner Megre - in the original it is something with something - a celebration of the soul and the name of the heart, although yes not a Maupassant is a fig.

                French culture, literature, history is also a separate world.
                The key to which is knowledge of the language. It does not translate very much into Russian.
                Songs, movies ...
                And this world is unique.

                The same can be said about the Spanish language: it is not the same as we know, but in other letters ..

                Spanish culture is not poorer than French or English, and Spanish is much richer than English.

                How easy it is to guess the German-language culture hardly needs a separate presentation.

                In any particular case, the language is not just a set of grammatical rules and vocabulary.
                Culture Great culture. The key to which is knowledge of the language.

                Eastern languages ​​do not know. But it is unlikely that anyone will criticize Farsi, Arabic, Chinese, or Japanese for having nothing to read.

                But Polish, Czech, Croatian, Finnish, Dutch, Swedish, Estonian ..
                Shaw about them you can say ??
                I have nothing against the listed nations.
                However, they, like the residents of Burkina Fasso, were somewhat unlucky ...
                There is a difference - a great culture is created in your native language or not.
                Alas, and ah.
                And they will be taught "by business" or personnel Stirlitz.
                Learn the language to ask - "how to go to the toilet?" - not nicely.


                By the way on this topic, I actively troll not only Ukrainians BUT and Americans.
                The facts are clear - there is a great British culture.
                Great American ????
                ??
                LOL
                pasan breaks on the British flag BUT no one tried to assert the presence of Great American Culture in the current reality.

                Represent McDonald's and Coca-Cola, there is the Internet, but there is no Great Culture ..
                Abidna ..

                Excuse me, but the knowledge of the Ukrainian language is the key to what ???
                Simple and simple question.

                Here Ukrainians like to argue - if you come to Germany you need to learn German, to France -
                French, vna Ukraine-Ukrainian.

                Feel where the dog rummaged?
                Germany was created by the Germans, France by the French, and the Russians by Ukraine.
                What the hell is the Ukrainian language ??

                We need to create a state, win a dozen wars, fuck a centuries-old history ..
                And then THEN!
                But even that is not a fact - an example is Holland.
                Who needs Dutch today?

                Paradox - Peter wanted to make Holland out of Russia, but Russian became the language of great culture,
                and the Dutch is not.
                The mock of fate ..
              2. Olezhek
                Olezhek 5 September 2015 19: 41 New
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                There is no doubt that if you ask an average person in the West who is Tolstoy or Dostoevsky (by the way, apart from these two, you can not try to ask anyone else, you don’t know others) and who is Shevchenko or Franco, then with a probability 99% heard about the first couple, not about the second


                And do not ask the man in the street.
                Everyday American can read something. Do not believe ???
                Alas and ah - look at the literacy statistics.
                The fact that in the USSR ALL schoolchildren read Pushkin and Lermontov does not mean that
                Any New Yorker knows who Shakespeare is.

                In normal English-speaking countries, the culture is the lot of the ELITE.
                Almost the same is characteristic of France or Germany (not the GDR).
                Ordinary people are comics and TV shows like "Field of Miracles"
                What are you going to ask them?


                There is the Great Russian Culture - i.e. writers, artists, mathematicians, astronomers,
                composers, chess players, poets, ballet dancers ... world-class ... Russia gave them all to the world
                It's like no one denies. Of those who are aware of what literature is, mathematics,
                astronomy, music, chess, poetry, ballet ...
                Those are few in the West. In Russia, they are now also less.

                to conduct social surveys among those living on social benefits in the South Bronx .. you can ..
                but not about Stravinsky ..

                Do not understand. bully
              3. Olezhek
                Olezhek 5 September 2015 20: 08 New
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                Well, ask around about the writers, for example, the Czech Republic, well, or Finland. They will not know either. Also do not fit into your model of the Great. Czech language and Suomi also do not have the right to life?


                Suomi as a state language began to develop after the transition of Finland from Sweden to Russia.
                But not fast. He has the right to life, there is the state of Finland, and hardly anyone will be teaching him in large numbers.

                Czechs for centuries fought with the dominance of the German language.
                Great Czech culture nevertheless ..

                The right to life has any language. BUT if I had a question in front of me to teach children on Czech or German - I would choose German.
                Not to mention the "soft and melodious" Ukrainian.
                Understand this is my choice. And I think many parents would figure it out to have done
                would be a completely similar choice in SUCH situation.
                Purely for pragmatic reasons.

                In fact, and the ficus - that it is not necessary to prohibit Ukrainian - with free competition
                in Ukraine, the Ukrainian will lose. That is why Russian should be banned.
                The same and even more so with the "Baltic dwarfs"
                Fair competition between Russian and Estonian may end the current one.
                And everyone understands this.
                And even under the dictatorship of professional Estonians / Latvians, their languages ​​are dying out.
                Alas, and ah.
              4. Olezhek
                Olezhek 5 September 2015 21: 39 New
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                Tell me the number of the law on the prohibition of the Russian language, please. Or is it according to the OBS news agency?


                But eto forgive the typical ukrainstvo. (To replace the meaning of words and wonder very much)
                The people from Kharkov to Nikolaev lived up to / outside Ukraine and spoke quite Russian in their own right and considered themselves to be naturally Russian.

                Again and again - if you introduce the state language 2, then the Ukrainian will lose in fact - people will use more and more Russian.
                It is clear, what is the solution?

                1 Close schools in Russian, open in Ukrainian.
                The client can choose a car of any color, if it is NOR .. With
                Please choose Ukrainian or Ukrainian .. and there are no restrictions ..
                But you don’t give education to children in your native language .. and so is complete freedom ..

                2 State bodies work in Ukrainian. Those. not owning them - you are in a position
                Zulus in British Africa ...
                Those. there is no prohibition - you can speak at home in Tatar, but you can live in the state ONLY owning Ukrainian

                3 Russian films in cinemas EXTREMELY duplicated in Ukrainian ..

                4 Russian TV channels are first restricted, then banned.

                That's just here the root of the problem, which in principle led the civil war in Ukraine
                Displacing Russian into the sphere of everyday life, Ukrainians sincerely believe that there is no prohibition.
                Please - at home by the TV (which also broadcasts on the move) ..

                As a result, in Ukraine and not in Russia, the most brutal war broke out with tens of thousands of people killed .. and it turns out to be a ban on the Russian language and there was no ...request

                Or do you say that the destruction of the state of Ukraine by the Ukrainians themselves is also an OPS?

                If a person in Ukraine could get an education at school and university
                communicate with officials and serve the state
                watch movies and TV shows in Russian ....
                THAT no conflict whatsoever ...

                Ukraine MOGEL was to become Canada, and became Rwanda ... crying
                And here it turns out there was no ban on the Russian language ...

                Facepalm ..
      2. Iskander Khan
        Iskander Khan 4 September 2015 13: 42 New
        +2
        I’m not saying forcibly Russify. Allow deukrainization. I believe my child will not be lost from ignorance of Ukrainian. Culture? Better learn Latin. You will understand films and songs without learning Ukrainian, but smart books in Ukrainian are close to zero. But in the original Roman writers it would not be bad to read.
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 4 September 2015 14: 10 New
          -2
          I believe my child will not be lost from ignorance of Ukrainian.

          Why? Does knowledge of yet another language limit in terms of knowledge compared with ignorance of the language?

          Better learn Latin.

          Nobody forbids knowing and Latin. Learn to health. I only welcome such a desire.

          But in the original Roman writers it would not be bad to read.

          laughing For what? No, seriously, for what? Again, I do not want to be understood as a person who belittles the significance of these works. This is not true. But why is knowledge of the works of Roman authors so relevant for you in the 21st century that translation is not enough.
      3. Shishiga
        Shishiga 4 September 2015 17: 38 New
        +1
        The state will die, people will remain. Then we somehow have to get along. In the form of a federation, or something like that, but the “Ukrainian home” will not go anywhere.


        If in the form of a federation, then “movni” will die out naturally, no one will teach higher education in the center at mov for the stubborn, and they will have one way - to the machine tool and then for a low payment, because high-paid machine workers have to study somewhere , and this again in the metropolis with its unspoken formation.
        Something like this somewhere
  5. little girl15
    little girl15 3 September 2015 08: 23 New
    +3
    For what they fought, Kiev hmm ... confused, they ran into it. From the sovereign Mova soon there will be only memories. It is bad not to hear how things are in the Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev regions?
    1. kostilio007
      kostilio007 5 September 2015 16: 48 New
      0
      the Ukrainian language in these areas almost does not go, as in half of Ukraine. It is present on TV and then not always 20 percent of all Ukrainian channels. There is simply one state language, Ukrainian, in which all documents are compiled
  6. Foul skeptic
    Foul skeptic 3 September 2015 09: 46 New
    +5
    Quote: Elena Gromova
    In schools of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the time for learning the Russian language will be doubled. And, accordingly, - reduced time for learning Ukrainian

    I won’t discuss it badly or not. But implementation is strange. It can be compared with how, on arrival of “important persons” in the city, asphalt laying on flowerbeds and the like begins according to the principle “the main thing is a beautiful facade”. The Ministry of Education of the DPR somehow forgot that the teaching is carried out according to the curriculum that is being done by the ministry so that teachers can already draw up curricula. And the same ministry should do methodologies for these programs. returning to oddities I must say that in technical school programs, for example, academic hours for studying Ukrainian.Language and Ukrainian.Literature are UNITED !!! This is now one item! Why this is done - understandably, Lena has already written - to get rid of the Ukrainian language. But why do this in such a way ?! Just created hemorrhoids for teachers and students. Moreover, the course "Business UKRAINIAN Language Movement" and a similar course in RUSSIAN office work are also combined in one subject! I sympathize with the teachers.
    And about the supply of educational literature, schools may have supplied, I don’t know. But I’ll send another parcel with literature for teachers to the Mining Film School, Zuevsky Power Engineering College and Khartsyzsk Machine-Building on the weekend. They themselves are buying.
  7. Seriomilander
    Seriomilander 3 September 2015 09: 46 New
    +5
    The Russian language makes Russians of any nationality, not in vain the “Russian” adjective!
  8. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 3 September 2015 09: 48 New
    +7
    To the statement of Petro Poroshenko that Ukraine is moving to Europe, the latter somehow cringed.
    1. little girl15
      little girl15 3 September 2015 10: 04 New
      +1
      Vladimir1960 SU Today, 09:48 New
      To the statement of Petro Poroshenko that Ukraine is moving to Europe, the latter somehow cringed ... and thought, "do we need it?"
  9. Nymp
    Nymp 3 September 2015 09: 52 New
    +11
    I understand people who are disgusted to teach children on dill textbooks. This means that people are thinking, i.e. reasonable. Because even in home-found textbooks propaganda and lies. And the new "masterpieces" of Ukrainian enlightenment are generally unscientific. May God give New Russia independence and VICTORY.
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 3 September 2015 10: 04 New
      -16
      Quote: Nymp
      Because even in home-found textbooks propaganda and lies.

      Please take care with examples. Until then, this is an unfounded statement.
      1. reservist
        reservist 3 September 2015 10: 43 New
        +14
        Quote: A vile skeptic
        Please take care with examples.

        you are welcome ...
        The textbook for the 5th grade (authors V. S. Vlasov and O. M. Danilevskaya), published in 2002, contains the following phrase:
        “3 first days in the Ukrainian lands pounded corrals of Ukrainian partisans, but rebels. For example, 1942 p. such corrals approved the Ukrainian Insurgent Army - UPA. Corrals of the UPA allowed the Ukrainian city and village vid fascist occupiers».

        www.odnako.org/blogs/ukrainskie-uchebniki-istorii-rusofobiya-lozh-i-nekompetentn
        ost /
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 3 September 2015 10: 55 New
          -11
          Thank you very much hi

          It is clear that there is a different view on the history of Ukraine. Not ours. And it’s also clear that apart from the story, I can’t imagine where else lies and propaganda in the textbooks you’ve come across. Unless, if there was a problem in the mathematics textbook: Petya put four apples on the right side of the scale, and Mikola put three apples on the left. Question: in which direction did the arrow of the scales lean? Answer in the resolver: Right. Bo our apple bilshchi. laughing

          I read the blog, there is also propaganda. Already ours wink

          1. Tanais
            Tanais 3 September 2015 12: 34 New
            +5
            Quote: A vile skeptic

            It is clear that there is a different view on the history of Ukraine. Not ours. And it’s also clear that apart from the story, I can’t imagine where else lies and propaganda in the textbooks you’ve come across.


            It is enough to rob the people of their history, and ...
            1. Eternal Watch
              Eternal Watch 3 September 2015 12: 41 New
              +8
              Quote: Tanais
              It is enough to rob the people of their history, and ...
          2. Nymp
            Nymp 3 September 2015 13: 02 New
            +6
            Quote: A vile skeptic
            I read the blog, there is also propaganda. Already ours

            The fact is that when Ukraine describes the events of medieval ages, it cannot ascribe to itself any campaigns and achievements, nor can it detach itself from events related to the Russian Empire. At that time, the state of Ukraine did not exist. Already what textbooks try to present as a fact of the existence of such a state, only acupunctured by Russia, already has lies and propaganda.
        2. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 3 September 2015 11: 15 New
          -13
          Quote: reservist
          The UPA corrals allowed the Ukrainian city and village vid fascist occupiers "


          Thus, the report of the Reichskommissar of Ukraine Erich Koch on agricultural losses says the following: “Especially dangerous are the performances of national-Ukrainian gangs in the areas of Kremenets-Dubno-Kostopol-Rivne. On the night of March 20-21, national-Ukrainian gangs seized all district agricultural points in the Kremenets region and completely destroyed one service point. At the same time, 12 German business executives, foresters, soldiers and policemen were killed. Although the police and Wehrmacht forces were immediately made available, only 2 districts have been recaptured today ... ”


          intelligence report No. 57 of the Ukrainian headquarters of the partisan movement reports: “The Kremenets district (Kremenets, 60 km north of Ternopil) was declared a state of emergency on April 6, 1943 due to the fact that the Germans in this district were attacked by Ukrainian nationalists“ Bandera ". The Germans from many settlements were forced out, and they were able to restore the situation with the help of large punitive detachments "


          In his diary, one of the leaders of the Soviet partisan movement in Ukraine, S. V. Rudnev, wrote on June 24, 1943: “The nationalists are our enemies, but they beat the Germans. Here and maneuver, and think "


          It is clear that in the textbook they ennobled and exaggerated. But this is a common thing in the methods of teaching children. Everything is very difficult there, even for adult understanding, not to mention schoolchildren.
          1. reservist
            reservist 3 September 2015 11: 30 New
            +10
            there is another point of view
            In the military archives of Germany there is no data on the losses of the Wehrmacht from the UPA
            At the beginning of 2008, the Crimean organization of the All-Ukrainian Union of Soviet Officers requested German Chancellor Angela Merkel. She was asked to help answer the question, are there any data in the German archives on the losses of the Wehrmacht in battles with the OUN-UPA. It is in Ukraine that the president can ignore appeals from both ordinary citizens and public organizations. But the German Chancellor reacted to this with full responsibility. Here is the text of the appeal to the military historical research department, Potsdam: “Dear Sirs, we are contacting you on behalf of the Federal Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Federal Republic of Germany. September 28, 2007, we turned to the Chancellor of Germany, Mrs. Angel Merkel, with a request to instruct the relevant archival institutions in Germany to provide us with the historical data we need. We kindly ask you to provide official historical data on the number of human and technical losses of the Wehrmacht from the Bandera and OUN-UPA formations during the Second World War. Losses from the actions of the Soviet partisans, please do not consider, these data are available. We also ask for a general military-historical overview of the combat contacts of the German armed forces with the Bandera and OUN-UPA formations, if any. These data are necessary for the research work of our organization. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Germany kindly instructed to contact you. We hope for fruitful cooperation in order to objectively study the full suffering of the history of the Second World War. Sincerely, S.V. Chairman of the Council of the Union of Soviet Officers of Crimea Nikulin. " The answer to this appeal was as follows: “Dear Mr. Nikulin! Thank you for contacting the Military History Research Institute in Potsdam. Our institution is mainly engaged in a thorough study of the military history of the XNUMXth century. We have our own extensive library, consisting of publications from various eras, but the original documents are not at our disposal. We searched for information in the literature at our disposal, but, unfortunately, we did not find any information about the losses of the Wehrmacht from the national-Ukrainian organizations of Bandera and the OUN-UPA. Sincerely, Dr. Krauss, Captain of the Second Rank and Head of Division. ”
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 3 September 2015 13: 48 New
              -3
              Quote: reservist
              there is another point of view

              Yes, you didn’t notice that this is exactly what I’m trying to convey to people laughing
              History cannot be taught from one point of view. And I naturally read the material you quoted earlier. This is also a wonderful manipulation of opinion (I emphasize, not the request itself, but the articles that appeared in the press after it) smile By the fact that in two institutes there were no documents confirming the clashes, it is concluded that they were not. Wonderful. Each of you, going to the store and seeing that there is no necessary product, immediately concludes that such a product is not produced at all?
              I gave you examples from the summaries and diaries of people from the time when these events took place. But who will take this into account if this disagrees with his opinion? Truth?
              1. reservist
                reservist 3 September 2015 14: 58 New
                +3
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                By the fact that in two institutes there were no documents confirming the clashes, it is concluded that they were not. Wonderful. Each of you, going to the store and seeing that there is no necessary product, immediately concludes that such a product is not produced at all?

                Ok but where then shop with the same product German archival data about their losses in clashes with the UPA?
                Where are the Germans' reports about the seizure of weapons and ammunition depots by UPA units? UPA did not fight with batons ...
          2. reservist
            reservist 3 September 2015 11: 36 New
            +6
            If the UPA fought with the Germans, then from whom did the UPA receive weapons and ammunition?
            Or, according to new Ukrainian history, did the Red Army supply the Bandera who fought with the Germans?
            1. elenagromova
              3 September 2015 12: 39 New
              +5
              Well, as the New Russia is shelling "itself", and the Germans. They gave weapons in order to fire them themselves))
      2. Nymp
        Nymp 3 September 2015 12: 48 New
        +8
        I will not argue with you, I just do not need it. And about the allegation; I know what I'm saying, from those textbooks they tried to grow a Russophobe from my son. I remember very well with what respect for Charles XII it was necessary to write an essay about his talent as a commander, and about the wild - barbaric methods of warfare by Peter the Great (well, I would apologize to the Swedes for Peter and give them the Poltava region). Or glorification of the campaign to Moscow of the same hetman Sagaidachny. Me, what do you remember all their lies? I think it is useless if you did not see her point blank, this does not mean that she was not. Every fact of propaganda and manipulation of history by Ukraine will not fit into the commentary.
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 3 September 2015 14: 40 New
          -8
          Quote: Nymp
          I remember very well with what respect for Charles XII it was necessary to write an essay, about his talent as a commander, and about the wild - barbaric methods of waging war by Peter

          Sorry, I won’t believe it. These are emotions.
          Well, how did this happen? The teacher in the class said so: "Children, about Karl we write respectfully in the essay, but about Peter - derogatory?" Nonsense.
  10. atos_kin
    atos_kin 3 September 2015 09: 54 New
    +2
    For some time I would put an inscription on the facade of the station DONETSK (STALINO)
    1. elenagromova
      3 September 2015 12: 37 New
      +1
      It would be possible and permanent. )
    2. Igor Polovodov
      Igor Polovodov 3 September 2015 14: 30 New
      0
      Yuzovka would be more neutral and historic!
      1. UNFAMILIAR
        UNFAMILIAR 3 September 2015 22: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Igor Polovodov
        Yuzovka would be more neutral and historic!

        This is a slightly different settlement, sharpened for a specific industrial production (in terms of weight category) and Stalin is still in the same, on the other hand Khrushchev foolishly succeeded (geographical location, Volgograd worked better), but people are used to it and sounds consonant with significance (we say Donetsk , we mean Donbass).
  11. X Y Z
    X Y Z 3 September 2015 11: 17 New
    +9
    People simply gradually recall that they are Russians illegally transferred to Ukrainians to increase the percentage of the working class in Ukraine. The cities along the Odessa-Kharkov line are Russian, although they have undergone aggressive Ukrainization.
    1. Eternal Watch
      Eternal Watch 3 September 2015 13: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: XYZ
      The cities along the Odessa-Kharkov line are Russian, although they have undergone aggressive Ukrainization.

      absolutely right.
      1. kostilio007
        kostilio007 5 September 2015 16: 38 New
        0
        they may be Russian, but they don’t want to go to Russia. And at the expense of the language, so in Russia in many villages even in Transbaikalia they speak Ukrainian
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  12. biznaw
    biznaw 3 September 2015 12: 02 New
    +5
    Quote: Das Boot
    Quote: A vile skeptic
    Don't you think that “disliking” a language is forgivable only to a student who is strained by lessons (but this will also apply to Russian, children are the same everywhere)? But not an adult.

    a plus.

    Minus
  13. Kotr
    Kotr 3 September 2015 13: 35 New
    +6
    We in Russia need to change the American education system to ours. And take the majority from the Soviet school. To hell with testing!
  14. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 3 September 2015 16: 27 New
    +3
    In schools of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the time for learning the Russian language will be doubled.

    And it would not hurt us in Russia. Now LDNR is an outpost of Russia.
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 3 September 2015 17: 42 New
      -5
      And it would not hurt us in Russia.

      It would not do anything. Children everywhere do not want to learn, and teachers teach (and if 10 years ago I still blamed teachers for this, now I don’t). Not in 100% of educational institutions. But close. So at least 10 times increase.
      Now LDNR is an outpost of Russia

      Another cheers phrase. What preventive strike are republics protecting us from? Do you think that Ukraine in the Rostov region. going to attack?
  15. Andrey Draganov
    Andrey Draganov 3 September 2015 19: 40 New
    +3
    Now it remains to rename Ukraine in Khokhlobidlostan and everything will fall into place.
  16. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 3 September 2015 21: 05 New
    +2
    In fact, forced Ukrainization was especially promoted by the Communists during the USSR, especially during the reign of Khrushchev! This was done to strengthen the so-called national identity. Ukrainians, to which purely Russian regions joined. Nevertheless, large industrial cities were located in Russian-speaking (southern Russian dialect) regions. So I must say thanks to the Bolsheviks / Communists for the growth of nationalist sentiments! hi
  17. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 3 September 2015 22: 46 New
    +1
    Taki about spelling. Who tama claps her hands? I advise you to go to Kaluga - it’s like Russia. To the Tsiolkovsky Museum. And if not bummer, then carefully look at what language the manuscripts are written. In modern Russian, some letters from these manuscripts can not be found. Mina was laid by the Byzantines, their envoys Cyril and Methodius solidly encircled the Slavic alphabet, which totaled more than 1000 letters.
  18. Zverboy
    Zverboy 3 September 2015 23: 49 New
    0
    About 3 years ago, often in Donetsk, I often called my relatives while speaking Ukrainian, with a sense of superiority glancing at the locals ... well, I know both Russian and Ukrainian and letting me know with my whole face that I care the views of Donetsk ... Now it’s a shame and a pancake I try only in Russian, as much as I’m jarring, well, I’m almost used to it with my daughter)
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    Asia 4 September 2015 00: 56 New
    0
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  20. EvgNik
    EvgNik 5 September 2015 09: 28 New
    +3
    I don’t understand the problem with some Ukrainian language. We in Russia have their own dialect in each region. Moscow is different from Perm and Siberian. So what? Now we will share? Personally, I like what Ukrainians say. Soft, beautiful. And their dances are beautiful, and they are similar to ours. But I don’t like it when a person looks down on one another with one voice. Especially Muscovites are famous for this. I met, I know. Moreover, the mind is two orders of magnitude lower - but a Muscovite!
  21. yuriy55
    yuriy55 6 September 2015 03: 34 New
    0
    I also like the way they speak and sing in Ukrainian (English, French, German, etc.). Another thing, - about what sing and what they say ... yes