"Echo" against VTsIOM. Battle polls

Which country is more immoral and soulless?

United States - 1282 (92.3%)
92.3%
Russia - 38 (2.74%)
2.74%
Hard to say - 68 (4.9%)
4.9%
The All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center published the data of the next poll devoted to the attitude of Russia and the United States, calling its survey as follows: "Russia and America: yesterday, today ... Tomorrow?" At the same time, VTsIOM immediately reports that the “perestroika” opinion of the citizens of our country, which basically defined the United States as a partner and even friendly state, almost completely gave way to a diametrically opposite view of the States.


VTsIOM experts note that the majority of the Russians surveyed have the United States associated with something extremely negative. People call the States a claimant for world domination, an aggressor and a major provocateur. At the same time, another “status” of the United States is called - it is a hostile state of hostility.

59% of respondents stated that they regard the current US authorities as extremely hostile towards Russia. For comparison, a year before the collapse of the USSR, 35% of the country's residents who participated in a similar survey had the same opinion.

When the respondents are representatives VCIOM asked what associations the phrase “United States of America” causes them; more than other survey participants answered: “Obama”. The second place in terms of popularity of the associations is “negative characteristics”, in the top three opinions-leaders - “aggressor and enemy number one” (according to 4,% of respondents presented exactly these options).

Among other answers to this question were the following: “evil”, “hatred”, “heartless, immoral people”, “fast food”, “world gendarme” and even “stupid Americans”. The answers in the style of “country of free people”, “rich country”, “military power”, “brands in the world” sounded less often.

The second question was the question of what, in the understanding of Russians, is best characterized by the United States? At the same time, VTsIOM presents an interesting comparison with the responses of the 1990 sample of the year. In the first place in the 2015 year - two answers "This is a country of high crime and moral decline" and "This is a country where there is no human warmth in relations between people." Both answers are for 15%. Only in third place is the answer of the Russians that the United States is a country with a high standard of living (12%), and that this is what should be perceived as their main characteristic.

In 1990, the top three characteristics of the United States looked like this.

This is a country with a high standard of living - 35%.

Almost three times the decline in those who believe that the main characteristic of the United States is a high standard of living, says, perhaps, that there is much more information about the States today than in 90. In 2015, it is well known that in America there are tens of millions of citizens who live below the poverty line, and this is true, and not at all “soviet propaganda”, as it was broadcast during the perestroika and early post-perestroika era.
This is a country where success depends on personal efforts - 20%.

In 2015, such an answer was given only to 7%, obviously realizing that the efforts of some (Bush or Clinton, for example) for some reason lead to success in the USA more often than the efforts of others ... Thesis about the “American dream” when someone that of the Americans began to collect Pepsi banks and earned his “first million,” which is perceived in Russia as a Hollywood tale.

This is a country of advanced science and technology (15%).

In 2015, this characteristic was appreciated by 7% of the surveyed citizens of the Russian Federation. Apparently, even here objective information did its job, since it became well known that “invited” Chinese, Russians, Indians, etc., increasingly work for American science and technology, and the scientific system has recently become the first turn into a kind of scout campaign for the "purchase" of talented young scientists and engineers in other countries.

As the third question of the sociological research, VTsIOM proposed to the respondents that:

How does the US government relate to Russia: friendly, not very friendly or hostile?

2015 year leading answers:

Hostile - 59%, not very friendly - 32%.

Only 3% of Russians in the 2015 year called the US attitude towards Russia friendly.

In the 1990 year, when it came to the attitude of the United States to the USSR, everything was completely different. So, the answer "friendly" gave 35% of respondents. The “hostile” rating was voiced by the entire 2% of respondents 25-year-old.

Representatives of the most "democratic" radio station of Russia - the radio station Ekho Moskvy - could not get past this poll and its results. On Ehovskom site A question has arisen as follows:

Which country is more immoral and soulless?

The very formulation of the question already attracts special attention. It turns out that "Echo" measures the immorality and lack of spirituality by whole countries ... This is the scale! ..

At the time of the preparation of the material, the survey was not yet closed, and 1836 people via the Internet and 247 took part in it by telephone. The “Echo” audience worked in a “planned mode”: The overwhelming majority of the respondents (83% - the Internet and 81% - the phone) about an hour and a half after the start of the survey believed that it was immoral and unconscious - Russia. (By the time of publication of the article on "IN", the result of the Echo poll could have changed somewhat).

"Echo" against VTsIOM. Battle polls


In general, everything is predictable both in relation to the results of the VTsIOM and in relation to the results of Echo. Both of these options show that statistics, how to say it more softly, are windy things. - It depends on who decided to use these statistics, for what specific purposes and what resources it has for this ... It turns out that in addition to hot, cold, sanctions and information wars, there are also “statistical” or “sociological” wars ...
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  1. Dezinto 1 September 2015 05: 59 New
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    The echo - that which echoes Moscow .....- is something ... I was carried away by politeness, I decided to find out what they breathe there ...

    Lesya Ryabtseva - 8 million people live in Russia.

    Shenderovich - England repented and is no longer an empire .... (along the way they repent when reminding them of salaries, but then he got confused and applied to the wrong country))))))
    etc.

    Well, about the urgent collapse of the Kremlin .... and so on ...
    1. mirag2 1 September 2015 06: 27 New
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      Echo with all its kagal-clean, unclouded ENEMIES of Russia and the entire population living on its territory.
      Both yours and mine.
      1. Max_Bauder 1 September 2015 09: 26 New
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        Not an echo but a burp. And who, in the opinion of the echo, is more moral? usa and europe with pederast marriages, sodomy and bestiality and porn industry and test tube children? or maybe the Arabs chopping off their heads and stoning as punishment, as well as allowing the old fart husbands to engage in sexual intercourse with the young wife at the beginning of her menstruation cycle, i.e. actually allowing pedophilia, given that this happens in girls from 12-13 years old? Who is sinless and moral? and capitalism is generally moral and fair in which all the people of the planet are “brewed”, where only limited people use common human resources? And finally, where is the morality in circling his country for the sake of the enemy and its money, and, Judas ?!
      2. Ezhaak 1 September 2015 09: 55 New
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        Quote: mirag2
        ho with all its kagal-clean, unclouded ENEMIES of Russia and the entire population,

        Everything is fair! VTsIOM does not distinguish between those interviewed. VTsIOM is not indifferent to the attitude of people towards the same policy, to understanding the economic situation in the country and other factors. An unequivocally asked question that requires an unambiguous answer.
        “Echo”, not mentioned by night, is not able to interrogate any segments of the population; they only interview their listeners.
        For example, I am not their listener, and the Echo site is on my black list, so that even by accidental visits I will not add page visitors to them. It's not mine, listen to the barking / screeching of a small dog in my homeland!
        1. sneg6680 1 September 2015 12: 09 New
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          I add that at home on all TVs I deleted the NTV channel so as not to see the negative information that they are pouring into the air of our Motherland!
        2. saenara 1 September 2015 18: 49 New
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          And in vain keep it on the black list. Every day you need to go just in case of such polls. Liberal scum will disappear a couple of times after the vote of conscious citizens — they will either think about it or cease to engage in provocations.
          Forgive my expression ...
      3. little girl15 1 September 2015 11: 58 New
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        To send this audience from Echo to the Arctic Circle without the right to return, it will become easier to look and breathe. I ask ministers to liberals.
        1. Will 1 September 2015 12: 49 New
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          And how will they earn money from the polar? Even in the USA they are not needed - there are many of their kind. The United States needs them here and they are paid for it. And here they are to help in something - there is something to compare with those who are able to compare. We would have to teach our children just that and make the right choice, taking into account the type of "man", and not "lackey."
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    3. siberalt 1 September 2015 08: 41 New
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      All of these polls are basically statistics. A well-known expression is a lie, there is a big lie, but they are nothing in comparison with statistics. There would be some numbers, and from them you can add anything depending on your desire. laughing
      1. Albert1988 1 September 2015 10: 08 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        All of these polls are basically statistics. A well-known expression is a lie, there is a big lie, but they are nothing in comparison with statistics. There would be some numbers, and from them you can add anything depending on your desire.

        In statistics, the most important role is played by the sample - that is, who was interviewed, measured, counted, etc. For some reason, they always forget about this. Hence the similar differences in the results - VTsIOM has a wider audience due to its wider capabilities, at the same time, the “ear of matzo” audience is very, very specific - it is mainly a Moscow “type of liberal” party, and this is the difference in person.

        Py.Sy. Recently, I’ve been looking at the echo site - the stats are the same, but there is a dramatic change in the comments - besides any liberality, people with a normal civic position and normal (patriotic) outlook leave comments (relevant comments). Symptom, however ...
        1. Dante Alighieri 1 September 2015 21: 19 New
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          That is not a survey at all, before conducting a survey, I write a minimum of 25 page Talmud, in which there is relevance, object of study, tasks, research objective, subject, theory, hypotheses (for each problem from 5 to 7), working hypotheses, the survey sheet itself , inside which there is always a cluster of data about the respondent: gender characteristics, age, education, income / social. situation, otherwise the sample will be simply unrepresentative, that is, it will in no way correspond to the general population, which represents the population of a single house / region / city / region / region / country in the end. Everything else is not polls, but a sham. And since VTsIOM provides information on its website as I described, it is logical that it has more or less normal competence, at least as much as possible. Here you need to understand that whoever pays, he dances with the girl, often sociologists have to draw numbers, since it’s impossible to offend the client, but even in this case, the trend is not hidden and a competent analyst is able to buy up a chip at a time.
        2. afdjhbn67 2 September 2015 01: 34 New
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          The article is also a kind of social poll - 90 for 1 against .. this pleases
    4. Elizabeth 1 September 2015 09: 44 New
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      Lesya Ryabtseva - 8 million people live in Russia.

      In a parallel (liberal-democratic) space, its own parameters, its own guidelines, its own statistics, its own demography, and, of course, its own anthropology.
      Therefore, the number 8 of millions of people is not the error or ignorance of Lesya Ryabtseva. This is the belief of the representatives of the parallel world that there are no more “8 millions” of people in Russia, and the rest are “subhuman,” that is, those who love Russia support Putin’s rating, as well as babies and other people who are not members of the electorate and are not participating in opinion polls. I think there is no need to list the labels that designate all the "subhuman" our liberals and hotly supported by the latter ukrofashisty.
      The echo - that which echoes Moscow .....- is something ... I was carried away by politeness, I decided to find out what they breathe there ...

      About EEEho anthropology is enough to read the main "anthropologist" Shenderovich.
      And they all breathe exclusively hatred of Russia, and especially Putin, declaring him a holy war, their own "jihad", if you like.
    5. EngineerP 1 September 2015 10: 12 New
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      Guys, we go in and vote for the USA, go ahead, bring down the Echo, their share !!! am
    6. qwert 1 September 2015 11: 02 New
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      At the same time, VTsIOM immediately reports that the “perestroika” opinion of the citizens of our country, which basically defined the United States as a partner and even friendly state, almost completely gave way to a diametrically opposite view of the States.
      And I am becoming more and more convinced that everything that the communists said was true. And all that stuffed us in the 80-90 years was a lie.
      1. Albert1988 1 September 2015 11: 12 New
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        Quote: qwert
        And I am becoming more and more convinced that everything that the communists said was true. And all that stuffed us in the 80-90 years was a lie.

        And I have long been convinced of this ...
        Yes, I think very many people were convinced that socialism was gone, the USSR was gone, and American capitalism had dropped its "pretty" mask ...
      2. lidiy 1 September 2015 18: 06 New
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        "the communists said it was true."

        It is a pity that then we were told very little truth about the West. It seems to me that if our people knew everything that we know now, those who left for permanent residence in the USA would be much less.
        1. Albert1988 1 September 2015 19: 47 New
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          Quote: lidiy
          It is a pity that then we were told very little truth about the West.

          The costs of some informational isolation that existed in the USSR, plus the skillful propaganda of the West (they painted a very attractive picture), plus the West then competed with the socialist model of society and capitalism was therefore forced to take a number of measures to create a very real “human face”, and the Soviet Union and the socialist camps didn’t –– so vividly the “bestial grin of imperialism” appeared in all its glory.
  2. Dezinto 1 September 2015 06: 04 New
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    The population of Russia is EIGHT million people. This is said by the host and assistant editor-in-chief of Echo.



    Where are they gaining such "human rights defenders ???
    1. Dim Bes 1 September 2015 07: 39 New
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      Maybe they are so sophisticatedly jokingly joking about 8 million people? Maybe they measure it by themselves: I’m all that intellectual, I earn (I earn well!) With my head (it seems to me in one language), and you are a rogue or a hungry man (against their background) because you think not correctly. If you can’t like them, and you like to bother with bees ... - fuuu.
      What I think about them - can not be reflected in print, the moderator recently deleted for obscene. And he was not too lazy to look for some of my comments ..
      1. Ezhaak 1 September 2015 09: 59 New
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        Quote: Dim Bes
        Maybe they measure it by themselves: I’m such an intellectual

        Yes exactly. These hard workers, producing any product, these creaks for people do not consider. Very similar to Middle Eastern friends for whom a goy is not a man! It refers to humanity only itself, loved ones.
    2. EngineerP 1 September 2015 10: 14 New
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      There are psaki !!! laughing
    3. Elizabeth 1 September 2015 10: 18 New
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      From the chief anthropologist of the parallel world:
      "Viktor Shenderovich" Is the glass half-empty or half full? Old paradox "

      I kept wondering whether they would throw it or not, they didn’t. correcting.

      "The glass is half empty or half full? The old paradox. There are a lot of normal people, capable of sympathy, understanding the price of human dignity, struggling to overcome longing and fear ... Our problem is that we also consider people to be nonhumans - and evaluate That’s why we are upset, comparing the numbers, why we go into powerless anger, not understanding how this is possible: to lie in the eyes, belch out vulgarities, kill, arrange monkey dances around the murdered ... We - mistakenly - believe that rel I’m going with them to one biological species (ours), in which this is really impossible, and we yell out of indignation. We inertia count them as opponents, and they are the environment. And similar external signs - such as the presence of a pair of arms and legs, nose, glasses , residence permits and the ability to use the iPad - should not distract us from this harsh essence of the matter. Evgeny Grigorievich Yasin (for example) and (for example) Dmitry Kiselyov belong to different biological species. It happened. Which of them represents the initial version of the human project, and who mutated somewhere to the side, let anthropologists and theologians understand, this has nothing to do with the current disposition. The result is evident on the face ... So, I say: there are a lot of us. We must take urgent measures to preserve the species in adverse conditions. To evacuate from Russia together with children and grandchildren or to continue trying to change something in their native environment is a personal choice. But what we definitely do not have to do is be distracted by their monkey. No need to be upset about the contents of TV channels and Facebook. This has not been a reason for reflection for a long time - let’s go! We went biologically into niches. We are very, very many - you have seen! We are the people. We value human dignity and life. Let's get together and think what to do. And stop quoting protoplasm already. "

      http://pp.vk.me/c621617/v621617433/15966/wDxpIhFkI_k.jpg
      1. Camel 1 September 2015 20: 07 New
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        We went biologically into niches. We are very, very many - you have seen! We are the people. ... Let's get together and think what to do. And stop quoting protoplasm already.

        As far as I remember, there was one citizen in history who considered his race to be the most “human being”. Shiklgruber had his last name, and the profession was completely peaceful - an artist, but here you are - he picked up and developed the theory of racial purity. Well, I had to dissuade the citizen, since then Germany has not ceased to repent ...
        I mean, the Nuremberg trials unequivocally condemned fascism and called it a “crime against humanity”, which by the way has no statute of limitations. Does Shenderovich sew things on himself? How not to recall a quote:
        "Comrade, believe! It will pass -
        and democracy and publicity!
        And then state security
        will remember your names! "(c) I don’t know who
  3. bddrus 1 September 2015 06: 07 New
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    echo poll ??? I looked at their forum - 83%? - Yes, 83% is about the backbone of the audience who hates everything that is connected with Russia, and even the president and the government are a red rag for them. Actually, Echo is their abode. And 10% are just “romantics” trying to bring a different opinion to this Echo’s cesspool. 7% - it may well be adequate on both sides or random people.
    By the way, the state represented by Gazprom contains this cesspool - why ?? - but just so that they sit tightly and under control)) well, and we have the same type of democracy
    1. nadezhiva 1 September 2015 07: 56 New
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      The most funny thing is that the vast majority of the echo-vo audience considers themselves to be people not only “advanced”, but also very good. intelligent. Reading the comments of these pseudo-intellectuals, you think, what a bydlo! At the same time, they themselves do not consider themselves cattle, competing with each other in the size of a kharchek towards the Russian world. A bunch of weird individuals with hypertrophied self-esteem.
      1. Russian Uzbek 1 September 2015 08: 19 New
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        half of the pretzels that graze on the "echo" does not even live in Russia! there are a lot of muds with Baltic, Ukrainian and Eastern European addresses ...
        Well, as usual all this "Baltic" shobla pretends to be "citizens of Russia" and is trying to prove to you and me how badly it lives in our country ...
      2. Elizabeth 1 September 2015 10: 40 New
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        The most funny thing is that the vast majority of the echo-vo audience considers themselves to be people not only “advanced”, but also very good. intelligent.

        Hooked! It so happened that there are too many of these "intellectuals" in my immediate environment. I can not refrain from quoting one of their representatives:
        "Elena Mamontova Today my friend and I counted the percentage of sane, decent citizens with normal values ​​and an understanding of everything that happens in the country.
        Subtracted 10% of oligarchs, subtracted 86% -pro-for-Putiners. 4% left "...

        It is comforting that there are only 4% of such "normal" ones. As the saying goes: "The family is not without ..."
  4. Bvg132 1 September 2015 06: 10 New
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    Quote: DEZINTO
    The population of Russia is EIGHT million people. This is said by the host and assistant editor-in-chief of Echo.



    Where are they gaining such "human rights defenders ???

    What to do, there are many more such ECHO Eaters
  5. vovanpain 1 September 2015 06: 41 New
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    All the naturally-Ekhov sixes (as well as the United States ones) work out handouts from the hosts. Even this echo stinks it from the air.
  6. LOCKS 1 September 2015 06: 58 New
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    Radio stations urgently need to change the name, the word Moscow urgently needs to be replaced with a more appropriate reality. So many "Napoleons" are immediately characteristic of a completely different place.
  7. leks 1 September 2015 06: 59 New
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    If you say every day in the media that you are a "ram" and then conduct a survey of the population, more than half will say yes, "ram."
    “Give me the media and I’ll make a herd of pigs from any people. Take away the history of the people - and in a generation it will turn into a crowd, and in a generation it can be managed like a herd”
    All governments of the world have well mastered this saying.
    I won’t call his name here, and everyone knows that.
    1. oracul 1 September 2015 08: 32 New
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      “Echo”, fortunately, is not all the media, and therefore what it is “talking about” is interesting only from the point of view of revealing the positions of people who are hostile to Russia.
  8. rotmistr60 1 September 2015 07: 17 New
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    The vast majority of respondents (83% - the Internet and 81% - the phone)

    Yes, but the ratio of adoring "EM" to the adult population of Russia is what. So it turns out that out of 70 thousand, one supports the policy of the Echo.
  9. Bigship 1 September 2015 07: 18 New
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    And in Valentine Gaft, in fact, fully characterized the Echo of Moscow in his epigram "Fly-Moscow."
  10. TVM - 75 1 September 2015 07: 24 New
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    Echo polls are not the opinion of the people, but the garbage dump where they graze. It's time to cover up this bunch and for one of those who finance this rabble. They claim to be the fifth column in Russia, but the dense stupidity betrays them. Yes, and meanness and double standards, too.
    1. tolian 1 September 2015 08: 12 New
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      Let them frolic, we will better see these garbage cans, which, as Gaft said .... "but their beloved ... are searched for in every person."
  11. Jääkorppi 1 September 2015 08: 21 New
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    But I want to ask where everyone was in 1991 and 1993? When did the citizens of Russia squeeze out of love for the states and the desire to live in a western way? When I told everyone at the institute, but they didn’t understand me? Then the cold shower of the 90s aired many brains! And now the whole country is waking up! And Uncle Sam is already knocking on the door.
  12. Stinger 1 September 2015 08: 38 New
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    And I like the Echo. Especially peremptory and primitive judgments. A typical reflection of the thoughts of others from copper liberal foreheads. What does the scripture say? And for a long time it echoed in the mountains of the Caucasus: ... your mother, your mother, your mother.
  13. Max repp 1 September 2015 09: 14 New
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    Campaign in the VO voted in the survey is more than on Ex = =)
  14. AlNikolaich 1 September 2015 09: 14 New
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    Comrades, the results of opinion polls directly depend on the interviewed audience! Echo matskwa interrogates
    their listeners. Accordingly, the results of the survey must be presented as is. And not that all
    Russian citizens think so! More objective data will be when polling multiple target audiences, in
    different cities and villages, and in different social groups ...
    VTsIOM studies are more objective, since they are more extensive ...
    A survey of EchoMoskva speaks only about what the target audience is regular listeners!
    Judging by the survey clearly .... what!
  15. provincial 1 September 2015 09: 38 New
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    The founder of “Echo of Moscow” Sergei Korzun leaving said that the brain of “Echo” has died, although the body lives. Beautiful, but inaccurate. We are not dealing with death, but with brain pathology. Moreover, a very specific person.
  16. Monster_Fat 1 September 2015 09: 54 New
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    "Statistics" is not a "science", it is the ability to "customize" the numbers to the indicator that the customer needs to justify certain actions. A “polling” is one of the methods used by “statistics” and used to justify any conclusions in such a “fit” to the required values ​​and conclusions.
  17. aviator1913 1 September 2015 09: 57 New
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    I did not understand the meaning of the article. With the same success, he would give an example of a survey on Sputnik and Pogrom. There is another, own audience, hence its results.

    It’s not professional and even stupid to embroider the results of VTsIOM and Echo of Moscow.

    I would also understand if the author compared the polls, their methodology and other characteristics of VTsIOM, Levada Center, the Public Opinion Foundation (FOM) and the like, and here a banal article sucked from a finger made on the usual emotion after the announcement of the results of a separate radio station.
    1. Vladimir 1964 1 September 2015 19: 01 New
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      Your comment, an aviator, seemed to me the most interesting.
  18. holgert 1 September 2015 10: 01 New
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    "" Ear of Mots "" --- known for its hatred of Russia and all Russian cantor. Therefore, it was and will be hostile to us in all aspects of the transmission. Their task is to sow dirt, lies and enmity. And through-- - Be it polls, or interviews, or other options --- this is already technology ....
  19. CONTROL 1 September 2015 10: 38 New
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    Quote: JääKorppi
    But I want to ask where everyone was in 1991 and 1993? When did the citizens of Russia squeeze out of love for the states and the desire to live in a western way? When I told everyone at the institute, but they didn’t understand me? Then the cold shower of the 90s aired many brains! And now the whole country is waking up! And Uncle Sam is already knocking on the door.

    Neither in the 90s, nor in the beginning of the 2000s was he deceived about life in the USA and in the West in general, although he himself had never been there abroad. But many friends traveled, tourists or to work; repeatedly and for a long time contacted with residents of the USA ("live", at work) and Western Europe (also "live" ...). He made a conclusion for himself - long and firmly rooted in consciousness: these people have money in the first place, personal pleasures of life in the second ... in the third and further - the rest ... Being a believer (Orthodox) I see that they are EVERYTHING! !! - without God in souls, pray, don’t pray, go to the temple or not - to no avail ...
    Yes, they can be good employees - if you pay well, or it is most profitable; can take care of parents, of children - if it is beneficial again; if not - to the nursing home (excellent! service at the highest level!), to the state shelter - then the same thing; the main thing is "we don’t leave them! we attached, we visit ... sometimes." But when it is required to give oneself “from the heart” - here they lose to both our and the Islamic world (yes, yes! And they too!), Because there is no soul! I don’t have it, and that’s it ... (by the way, that's why they lose in wars! There are no heroes for money ...) There are, however, exceptions, but they confirm this rule.
    This is the result, the conclusion of my rather long life, and quite close communication with the people of the “Western world”. The degradation of spirituality in the West in the field of art is especially noticeable: for example - what Michael Jackson alone is worth - amazing, undeniably very talented, and what has he done in life? what to call the moonwalk? zilch! ... and compare with the "banned" Kobzon ...
    ... maybe off topic? ...
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      Quote: CONTROL
      Quote: JääKorppi
      But I want to ask where everyone was in 1991 and 1993? When did the citizens of Russia squeeze out of love for the states and the desire to live in a western way? When I told everyone at the institute, but they didn’t understand me? Then the cold shower of the 90s aired many brains! And now the whole country is waking up! And Uncle Sam is already knocking on the door.

      Neither in the 90s, nor in the beginning of the 2000s was he deceived about life in the USA and in the West in general, although he himself had never been there abroad. But many friends traveled, tourists or to work; repeatedly and for a long time contacted with residents of the USA ("live", at work) and Western Europe (also "live" ...). He made a conclusion for himself - long and firmly rooted in consciousness: these people have money in the first place, personal pleasures of life in the second ... in the third and further - the rest ... Being a believer (Orthodox) I see that they are EVERYTHING! !! - without God in souls, pray, don’t pray, go to the temple or not - to no avail ...
      Yes, they can be good employees - if you pay well, or it is most profitable; can take care of parents, of children - if it is beneficial again; if not - to the nursing home (excellent! service at the highest level!), to the state shelter - then the same thing; the main thing is "we don’t leave them! we attached, we visit ... sometimes." But when it is required to give oneself “from the heart” - here they lose to both our and the Islamic world (yes, yes! And they too!), Because there is no soul! I don’t have it, and that’s it ... (by the way, that's why they lose in wars! There are no heroes for money ...) There are, however, exceptions, but they confirm this rule.
      This is the result, the conclusion of my rather long life, and quite close communication with the people of the “Western world”. The degradation of spirituality in the West in the field of art is especially noticeable: for example - what Michael Jackson alone is worth - amazing, undeniably very talented, and what has he done in life? what to call the moonwalk? zilch! ... and compare with the "banned" Kobzon ...
      ... maybe off topic? ...


      You have interesting thoughts.
      That is, in Russia it should be different than theirs, you offer to work for faith, and not for a good salary, and accordingly my benefit in money.
      What spirituality are you talking about? lose us in terms of spirituality and faith, faith in what? in god? to paradise life after death? For example, I want to live normally without need here and now in this life, and not the life that the Bible so earnestly describes to us. They make money right, do it, let them live their own lives, this is their country, their mentality, and they have the right to choose how they live.
      In our country, there are enough problems of our own and they need to be addressed rather than looking at how they live beyond the hill.
      By the way, regarding M. Jackson and I. Kobzon it is not necessary to compare these people, they are of different weight categories and Kobzon loses with great advantage.
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        You have interesting thoughts.
        That is, in Russia it should be different than theirs, you offer to work for faith, and not for a good salary, and accordingly my benefit in money.
        What spirituality are you talking about? lose us in terms of spirituality and faith, faith in what? in god? to paradise life after death? For example, I want to live normally without need here and now in this life, and not the life that the Bible so earnestly describes to us. They make money right, do it, let them live their own lives, this is their country, their mentality, and they have the right to choose how they live.
        In our country, there are enough problems of our own and they need to be addressed rather than looking at how they live beyond the hill.
        By the way, regarding M. Jackson and I. Kobzon it is not necessary to compare these people, they are of different weight categories and Kobzon loses with great advantage.

        Your thoughts are interesting too! What are you doing here with such thoughts? You won’t become rich - there are too many thoughts ... and, therefore, there is enough laziness; to rob others - so if to this day they have not become an oligarch, then it is too late! ...
        To you mister leks, on "Echo" and there, in the West - the very place; and, most importantly - it's time! they will love you there ... maybe they will give money (if that's all you want from life ...)!
        PS about Kobzon - you tell him that he loses ... and about the "weight categories" (in dollars, probably weighed?) - this is right in the "Echo", according to their profile ...
  20. Palach 1 September 2015 10: 48 New
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    Sometimes I turn on the echo, so to speak, to be charged with the right attitude.
    Leading most often bear such nonsense that, it’s immediately clear that with such people I am not on the way.
  21. Reptiloid 1 September 2015 11: 02 New
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    OH! Her mother --- Japon. I watch the plot sometimes!
    He mocks at the fallen, and from the lips a stack of dirt
    Nothing is holy to her,
    After all, praises scum!
    Ah! MOTHER of her --- Japona. Why was she born?
    This is my old rhyme.
  22. Mercenary 1 September 2015 11: 12 New
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    I do not listen to these scumbags with EXA and happy!
  23. provincial 1 September 2015 11: 14 New
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    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/851/ozba337.jpeg
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      Yes, provincial, the comment is good, without any questions is good.
  24. monopodman 1 September 2015 11: 46 New
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    eheri are the most patriotic and yet pogavilny juggalists laughing
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    Awesome stupidity. The echo behind itself does not notice anything.
    But recalling the classic who taught: "and do not dispute the fool!" I will answer Echo like this: "Yes, I’m a scoundrel, why hide my virtues!" smile
  26. Prisoner 1 September 2015 12: 09 New
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    Lovers of mattresses and lovers of ladies' urine talk about spirituality ?! Get fucked up! no
  27. ingenera 1 September 2015 14: 01 New
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    The results of the survey could be predicted even without conducting the survey itself. Each "organ" of the media has its own audience. We have a patriotic, for the most part, they have a liberal one. I rarely go to the Echo, and in most cases, after that I feel like I’ve tried emetic. And whoever likes it is on the way. Borders open laughing
  28. aviator1913 1 September 2015 14: 09 New
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    Yes, they can be good employees - if you pay well, or it is most profitable; can take care of parents, of children - if it is beneficial again; if not - to the nursing home (excellent! service at the highest level!), to the state shelter - then the same thing; the main thing is "we don’t leave them! we attached, we visit ... sometimes." But when it is required to give oneself “from the heart” - here they lose to both our and the Islamic world (yes, yes! And they too!), Because there is no soul! I don’t have it, and that’s it ... (by the way, that's why they lose in wars! There are no heroes for money ...) There are, however, exceptions, but they confirm this rule.


    And we have good workers because they pay so little chtoli? Spiritual food nourishes more than body food, etc. things? YES, there are no heroes for money, but modern wars are won not by heroes, but by strategists, economies, politicians, analysts, etc. people who do not differ in special heroism on the biva field, the days of valiant knights or samurai are long gone.

    In which wars do they lose and do we or the Islamic world win? Afgan, there both we and the Americans scambled to the fullest since this territory is easier to burn in nuclear fumes than to instill in them socialist or democratic values, IRAQ? So it’s kind of like they defeated the enemies and quietly left, leaving the whole world a problem that everyone now disentangles spending huge amounts of money on it and buying weapons from the USA, including

    So faith by faith is like heroism, but the person behind the remote control from the UAV does not give a damn about the strong spirit of an Iraqi or Russian soldier.
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      [quote = aviator1913] [/ quote]And we have good workers because they pay so little chtoli? Spiritual food nourishes more than body food, etc. things? YES, there are no heroes for money, but modern wars are won not by heroes, but by strategists, economies, politicians, analysts, etc. people who do not differ in special heroism on the biva field, the days of valiant knights or samurai are long gone.
      In which wars do they lose and do we or the Islamic world win? Afgan, there both we and the Americans scambled to the fullest since this territory is easier to burn in nuclear fumes than to instill in them socialist or democratic values, IRAQ? So it’s kind of like they defeated the enemies and quietly left, leaving the whole world a problem that everyone now disentangles spending huge amounts of money on it and buying weapons from the USA, including
      So faith by faith is like heroism, but the person behind the remote control from the UAV does not give a damn about the strong spirit of an Iraqi or Russian soldier.
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      The war of cars, or what? ...
      You explain this to an Iraqi guy with a martyr’s belt ... If you manage to direct UAVs at him from the remote control ... sitting on the couch!
      (just don’t say that this one with a “belt” is drugged and fooled, zombied, and te de ... there are only a few of them, and there are hundreds of “belts”!)
  29. loaln 1 September 2015 15: 53 New
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    Do you know a statement about statistics? Precise science, constantly improving. So what does human rumor say about her? That's it.
    Nothing else can be said about the polls. Only now the language is more suitable obscene.
    In short, this is noodles for citizens with big ears, which became so from their excessive curiosity. When they have not perceived the essence for a long time, the surroundings and the way of presentation are important to them. And if they are still in the center of events ...!?! No words needed. They swallow the "TRUTH".
  30. leks 1 September 2015 16: 54 New
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    [quote = CONTROL] [quote = leks]
    You have interesting thoughts.
    That is, in Russia it should be different than theirs, you offer to work for faith, and not for a good salary, and accordingly my benefit in money.
    What spirituality are you talking about? lose us in terms of spirituality and faith, faith in what? in god? to paradise life after death? For example, I want to live normally without need here and now in this life, and not the life that the Bible so earnestly describes to us. They make money right, do it, let them live their own lives, this is their country, their mentality, and they have the right to choose how they live.
    In our country, there are enough problems of our own and they need to be addressed rather than looking at how they live beyond the hill.
    By the way, regarding M. Jackson and I. Kobzon it is not necessary to compare these people, they are of different weight categories and Kobzon loses with great advantage. [/ Quote]
    Your thoughts are interesting too! What are you doing here with such thoughts? You won’t become rich - there are too many thoughts ... and, therefore, there is enough laziness; to rob others - so if to this day they have not become an oligarch, then it is too late! ...
    To you mister leks, on "Echo" and there, in the West - the very place; and, most importantly - it's time! they will love you there ... maybe they will give money (if that's all you want from life ...)!
    PS about Kobzon - you tell him that he loses ... and about the "weight categories" (in dollars, probably weighed?) - this is right in the "Echo", according to their profile ... [/ quott
    Those. if my thoughts do not fit your template then I have a road to the west !?
    As for money, this is not all that I want from life, I want to live in dignity in our country, I want to be confident in the future, I want a decent pension, but in order to live in dignity in our country, I need a decent salary, pension, etc. etc. and all this is calculated in monetary terms and not in your faith. Your faith gives me absolutely nothing, in prayers even if you’re breaking your forehead against the floor, you’ll not become even a ruble richer, so keep spirituality for yourself.
    Regarding M. Jackson, here's a link for you to read only do not show Kobzon, otherwise the heart attack will strike.
    Michael Jackson in numbers. http://mjstore.ru/about_michael/majkl-dzhekson-v-cifrax/
  31. aviator1913 1 September 2015 17: 46 New
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    And we have good workers because they pay so little chtoli? Spiritual food nourishes more than body food, etc. things? YES, there are no heroes for money, but modern wars are won not by heroes, but by strategists, economies, politicians, analysts, etc. people who do not differ in special heroism on the biva field, the days of valiant knights or samurai are long gone.
    In which wars do they lose and do we or the Islamic world win? Afgan, there both we and the Americans scambled to the fullest since this territory is easier to burn in nuclear fumes than to instill in them socialist or democratic values, IRAQ? So it’s kind of like they defeated the enemies and quietly left, leaving the whole world a problem that everyone now disentangles spending huge amounts of money on it and buying weapons from the USA, including
    So faith by faith is like heroism, but the person behind the remote control from the UAV does not give a damn about the strong spirit of an Iraqi or Russian soldier.


    The war of cars, or what? ...
    You explain this to an Iraqi guy with a martyr’s belt ... If you manage to direct UAVs at him from the remote control ... sitting on the couch!
    (just don’t say that this one with a “belt” is drugged and fooled, zombied, and te de ... there are only a few of them, and there are hundreds of “belts”!)


    Those. would it be acceptable for you to put on a shahid’s belt and run to the walls of the American embassy?

    Do you think suicide bombers are normal for a modern army?

    Those. For you, the Islamist suicide bombers exploding our terminals in Domodedovo or exploding in the theater on Dubrovka by adequate and good people? Patriots?

    As for me, it’s better if we have our own drone drone fleet managed by a middling kid from somewhere in Ulyanovsk and without heroes destroying caravans of drug dealers and ISIS in Tajikistan than a bunch of young brave highly spiritual Russian guys hung with shahid belts (what you suggest)
  32. Lukum 1 September 2015 21: 09 New
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    Kumarevich Sapshchyak Shovshchuk and others from the white list are the main voters
  33. Foxmara 2 September 2015 03: 38 New
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    Voting is still open, come in, do not be shy.
  34. snerg7520 29 November 2015 17: 29 New
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    There is a truth, there is a lie, but there is a statistic ... True, the statistics from the Echo coincide with the lie ...
  35. wervolf 19 March 2016 12: 29 New
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    It seems to me that the question is not in the polls themselves, many here (in one form or another) express their thoughts that “Echo of Moscow” is just an instrument of information-psychological warfare (the dirtiest, shameless, unprincipled), like or dislike, but this war has already been imposed on us and the initiative is not yet in our hands. You can’t keep silent, you need to counteract at the state level using the entire information field both in Russia and abroad, leverage of administrative and forceful influence, just as brazenly and shamelessly.
  36. lissa 21 June 2016 14: 05 New
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    "Echo" is the "Voice of America" ​​.....