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Former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine: we need a wall between democracy and barbarism

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In Ukraine, they are trying to justify the allocation of billions of hryvnias to create the so-called “European shaft” on the border with Russia. Thus, the ex-foreign minister “Square” (2007-2009) Vladimir Ogryzko said that the “wall” that Yatsenyuk is trying to build helps to protect Ukraine from the “Asian horde”. In the magazine "New time" There was an article for Ogryzko in which he writes:


A separate conversation is a wall between Ukraine and Russia; it is being built little by little and that is good. After all, it is along the eastern border of Ukraine that the civilization border between democracy and barbarism will pass.


Former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine: we need a wall between democracy and barbarism


At the same time, Ogryzko did not specify from which side of the wall barbarism ... Not from the one where they cover tires with monuments to the victims of fascism and set fire to them, not from the one where people are being pushed into trash cans and sprinkled with flour, not from the one where create "black lists" of cultural figures and ban dozens of books? And this is without taking into account a whole series of war crimes ...

Bit:
(...) we simply need a wall. Unlike the Baltic countries, in which the territory of contact with Russia is relatively small, Ukraine has 1974,04 km of border with the Russian Federation in the east and northeast. It is through these territories, in which case the Asian horde will go to the West; historical examples of this already exist. Therefore, in our case, the wall should be more than just a symbol: it should be deeply echeloned, as military experts say, so that it cannot be broken through for no reason. It is necessary to build it, because democratic states can communicate with the current Kremlin regime only through the wall.


Meanwhile, the readers of the Ukrainian newspaper Novoye Vremya for the most part respond to Ogryzko with words that are far from supporting his theses.

One of the comments (user Klopez dron) (style saved):
Is it really not clear that isolating oneself from the Moscow "horde" will not work. This fencing off can only lead to the perfect impoverishment of Ukraine. Sooner or later, patriotic pragmatists who will establish relations with Russia and continue to trade for the good of both countries will come to power in Ukraine. And the hysteria that prevails now in Ukraine, especially among the Russophobic elite (Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, Ogryzko (what is the last name)), is simply from stupidity, corruption and powerlessness.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 31 August 2015 07: 21 New
    +11
    Barbara is located in Kiev (abolishes the weight of the lifestyle of the city), darling.
    1. just exp
      just exp 31 August 2015 07: 26 New
      +4
      in reality, these barbarians were decent people, civilized just in Kuev, only civilizations they are different, those that are in Kuev are civilized by the cannibalistic civilization.
      1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uncle VasyaSayapin 31 August 2015 08: 57 New
        0
        Barbarism is in their heads, and the wall is their skull.
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 31 August 2015 09: 57 New
          0
          These victims of a lobotomy urgently need to rebuild the wall between the right and left hemisphere.
      2. Alexey Boukin
        Alexey Boukin 31 August 2015 09: 42 New
        +1
        Yes, let them build themselves. Less "stink" will be from the "democratic state". The only question is, will it manage to become democratic?
    2. Jan Krumins
      Jan Krumins 31 August 2015 07: 45 New
      +2
      Under any pretext, beg for money from Europe, then to plunder ...
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 31 August 2015 07: 50 New
        +11
        Well, how are the children in the sandbox ..... bully
        And at least the wipe snot wiped (pictured))))))
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 31 August 2015 10: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: avvg
      Barbara is located in Kiev

      I will show how accurate and figurative the Ukrainian language is! Well, how else can you call such a man, except Stub? By the way, before calling Russia the "Asian horde", I would talk with Canadians and find out what they think about Ukrainian emigrants. Moreover, this opinion did not develop yesterday - there have been entire Ukrainian farms in Canada for about 150 years. About the "hordes" - this is not for the West - they know the "kaklam" price. And not even for us. This is it for domestic consumption. So that Bandera cubs know who their enemy is.

      To this topic. For a civilized neighboring country 404.

      In Kiev, in front of the public toilet, there are two Bandera and talking:
      - But what about the letter "M"?
      - There Mosk .. ali poop!
      - And the letter "F"?
      - There are some Jews!
      - Chu, but what about de?
      - Our Ukraine, de desirably, there is a serm ...
    4. northern
      northern 31 August 2015 11: 29 New
      0
      It's funny to watch the animals in the zoo build a fence around themselves.
  2. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 31 August 2015 07: 21 New
    +3
    Oh! Fucking, FUCK!
    When are Russophobes fucking already calm down !!!!
    1. Simon
      Simon 31 August 2015 07: 53 New
      0
      And why should they calm down! They believe that the more squealing, the more the EU will roll away for the construction of the wall. They just don’t understand with their head that soon the wall will have to be built with Europe - to defend against the fugitive Arabs. This is just a horde that climbs without a weapon in all the cracks. recourse laughing
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  4. Doctor Savage
    Doctor Savage 31 August 2015 07: 22 New
    +9
    Yesterday, at the central heating station, I heard:

    Ukraine is like a chicken with a severed head. Which is still running for some time ....
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 August 2015 07: 23 New
    +7
    Volodymyr Ogryzko said that the “wall” that Yatsenyuk is trying to build helps protect Ukraine from "Asian horde"

    Well, what can you say about that. We already heard this from one person with a mustache under his nose. Now, Ukrainians have become purebred Aryans. Good luck to the new tribunal.
  6. Penetrator
    Penetrator 31 August 2015 07: 25 New
    +6
    "Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine" is not a post. This is a diagnosis!
  7. 78bor1973
    78bor1973 31 August 2015 07: 27 New
    +4
    The guy knows everything about the walls! That's right, garden, you can still make out the road ...
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 31 August 2015 07: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: 78bor1973
      The guy knows everything about the walls! That's right, garden, you can still make out the road ...

      First, the wall with Russia, then with Europe (so that EU migrants do not annoy), then machine-gun towers, well, at the end of the issue, Ukrainians will be able to get it in their hands!
      1. 78bor1973
        78bor1973 31 August 2015 07: 44 New
        +2
        In Europe, they themselves can be fenced off from the insins there, you can not invest!
    2. Simon
      Simon 31 August 2015 08: 02 New
      +2
      Most likely the wall is being built for money laundering. The Kiev top, standing at the wall feeder, plucks a tidbit for himself and puts it in his pocket, and writes it off to build the wall. They are temporary in Kiev, all the same, people will someday understand that a thief is sitting in Kiev.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 August 2015 07: 32 New
    +6
    This is how much dough can be worn on such a construction? Saliva flows directly. A similar wall in military terms is meaningless, in the economic - suicidal. Ahead, great Ukrainians. To the great help.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 August 2015 08: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      . A similar wall in military terms is meaningless, in the economic - suicidal.

      Shhhhhh, don't scare insanity lol
  9. mamont5
    mamont5 31 August 2015 07: 36 New
    +1
    "Ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine: we need a wall between democracy and barbarism"

    So simple. Juntiats, large and small, must be walled up tightly and pretend that they are not. Absolutely not!
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 31 August 2015 07: 36 New
    +3
    Let them build. Then the Russians will buy a chain link for a penny. At the cottage come in handy. laughing
    1. jPilot
      jPilot 31 August 2015 08: 00 New
      +2
      What does it mean to buy. "Than asking and humiliating, it is better to ... and be silent" wink laughing love
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  11. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 31 August 2015 07: 36 New
    +2
    At the same time, Ogryzko did not specify from which side of the wall barbarism ... Not from the one where they cover tires with monuments to the victims of fascism and set fire to them, not from the one where people are being pushed into trash cans and sprinkled with flour, not from the one where create "black lists" of cultural figures and ban dozens of books? And this is without taking into account a whole series of war crimes ...

    Author 5+ good good good
    The stub is burning!
    Klopez dron good
  12. evil partisan
    evil partisan 31 August 2015 07: 41 New
    +2
    Oh, they will go broke on the construction of walls, like ancient China ... He really managed to build almost 9000km before this. walls, and these ... In general: what nation, such and walls. In this case, liquid ...
  13. Neophyte
    Neophyte 31 August 2015 07: 42 New
    +2
    Having built 1 km of the "wall", those who are not far away vainly hope that the EU will invite them to build other walls from migration flows from Africa. The diagnosis is on the face!
  14. 3 Gorynych
    3 Gorynych 31 August 2015 07: 44 New
    +2
    ... a village lost among impenetrable forests. Only the will of chance and thick fog could bring him to this damned place. The people living here are not like any hitherto seen by a traveler. These people, protecting themselves from the rest of the world with a deep moat, ...
    This is the release of the new movie "Wii" - nothing reminds ...
  15. sv68
    sv68 31 August 2015 07: 46 New
    +1
    build or not build a wall, and your EU will throw a couple of hundreds of thousands to migrants, will you rejoice ???
  16. sklefosovskii
    sklefosovskii 31 August 2015 07: 47 New
    +1
    This wall would be perfectly revered and looked at the Supreme Rada from the rest of normal Kiev am
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 31 August 2015 07: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: sklefosovskii
      normal Kiev

      Is he there? belay
  17. asar
    asar 31 August 2015 08: 24 New
    +2
    With (t) the wounded are still Kukuev!
    "Build" a wall between the Russian Federation and the grave!
    And then ... they demand a discount on gas ... from the Russian Federation!
    C (t) wounded, c (t) wounded people!
    Yeah, cockles, you see the crop of "dope" is now excellent! "Fence" see "dope"!
    Yes, and the ex-minister is some kind of shabby, handkerchief from the dude did not take root! It walks like a homeless person from the Kazan station!
  18. X Y Z
    X Y Z 31 August 2015 08: 27 New
    +2
    It is through these territories, in which case the Asian horde will go to the West; historical examples of this already exist.


    I would like examples and evidence, because it is well known that it was from the West, starting in 1085, that the barbarian hordes of conquerors came here. The last horde took place in 1941. It is possible that not the last.
  19. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 31 August 2015 08: 36 New
    +2
    Yes, let the barbarians fenced off. When they begin to choke in Nazi crap - then maybe they realize the need for education.
    Although, they are likely to drown in it in spite of us.
  20. Scud
    Scud 31 August 2015 08: 37 New
    +1
    You need to understand what the Americans did and will do everything possible and inconceivable in inciting hatred of the Maidan people to Russia. And the soil is fertile also because about half of Ukrainians are stupid semi-fascists.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 31 August 2015 08: 50 New
      +2
      Why semi-fascists? More likely twice fascists.
      From the very beginning of this mess, Russia underestimates Bandera's fascism and its danger.
      This problem is not solved by liberal and some financial and economic measures. Unfortunately, it is not possible to shut up this scum: it must be destroyed completely.
  21. Pavel Vereshchagin
    Pavel Vereshchagin 31 August 2015 08: 42 New
    +2
    One surname of this figure is worth something. A bit from the mind.
  22. akudr48
    akudr48 31 August 2015 09: 14 New
    0
    A stub is a product of the decomposition of a communist project in Ukraine, with all their double thoughts and many vector aspirations.

    And also the result of physical and even genetic degeneration.

    They always hated the Russians, but they waited, waited and gnawed ...

    And they bit it and waited.

    When the main ideologist of communism Kravchuk becomes the president and the main nationalist, independent, then there will always be a place for other bits and pieces.

    But a country cannot be built from stubs, that’s the thing ...
  23. roskot
    roskot 31 August 2015 09: 36 New
    0
    They love big names. The wall is almost Chinese. Asian hordes, barbarians. That’s what they would say. We are building an ordinary tyn from the Vietnamese. “And the wall is very necessary for them” so that such Punches would not be carried to schizophrenia. After all, he is a completely sick person.
  24. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 31 August 2015 10: 06 New
    0
    The irony of fate — the USSR was blamed for the Berlin wall and the iron curtain. Why was it to tear down the Berlin wall and open the curtain? To build new ones after years? At its core, sanctions are also a wall, only economic. And here they want to divide one people into parts.
    When there was a liberation from artificial barriers in those already ancient times, people thought that the world had become so civilized that it could exist without conflict as good neighbors.
    But everything turned out to be wrong, instead of good-neighborliness, the countries of the West and the USA saw an opportunity to colonize the countries that discovered these obstacles. The most outrageous is that the good intentions and desire of the USSR to stop the arms race, which in any country places a heavy burden on its citizens, has been interpreted as the “victory of the United States” in the Cold War, at the end of which Russia pays an indemnity in the form of uncontrolled export of the national property, they surround her with military bases, prohibit the delivery to Russia of the necessary equipment and components for the country and at the same time slander the country, accusing it of what they themselves are tirelessly doing: outright robbery in relation to sovereign countries.
    As for the wall with Ukraine, build. In principle, Russia is no longer able to help the citizens of Ukraine resist the Bandera neo-Nazi regime and it is probably time to admit this and stop all ties with this trash and support the US-fascist regime in any form.
  25. Vitaly72
    Vitaly72 31 August 2015 10: 41 New
    0
    The barbarians washed themselves in the bathhouse, while civilization was mired in the plague, der ,, me, lice and bonfires of the Inquisition
  26. Vitaly72
    Vitaly72 31 August 2015 10: 44 New
    0
    The barbarians washed themselves in the bathhouse, while civilization was mired in the plague, der ,, me, lice and bonfires of the Inquisition
  27. Stariknv
    Stariknv 31 August 2015 13: 39 New
    0
    Ukraine is going to build a wall in the likeness of the Great Wall of China with Russia. Let them build only on higher so that someone could not jump.
  28. Weyland
    Weyland 1 September 2015 21: 52 New
    0
    Yeah, this wall will wash them ... Like Lee Bo:

    SOLDIERS FIGHT SOUTH FROM THE WALL

    A disk has risen above the battlefield of the sun,
    Again, the soldiers go to the mortal battle.
    Here the air is still and heavy
    And the grass here is purple with blood.
    And the birds peck the human
    So gobble up - not able to take off.
    Those who fought with enemies here yesterday
    Today under the wall lie in the graves.
    But selfless warriors family
    Still countless in the land of fogs ...
    ... distant wives husbands and sons
    They fight to the rumble of drums.