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Projections of a sharp decline in the population were even optimistic

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Projections of a sharp decline in the population were even optimistic"We need a normal Russian multi-generation family with many children." With these words, demographers describe the only recipe with which Russia can avoid a demographic catastrophe. The fact that our country is threatened with a decline in the number of millions, indicates too many circumstances.


On Wednesday, an article in the Times made a lot of noise, referring to Yury Krupnova, chairman of the supervisory board of the Institute of Demography, Migration and Regional Development, who said that 2050 million people would live in Russia by 80. In an interview with the newspaper VIEW, Krupnov explained that there was a mistake by a British journalist: in fact, the scientist spoke not about 2050 a year, but about 2100. However, he stressed that in any case the situation is alarming.

“If we leave everything as it is, then by the average — not by the pessimistic, but by the middle scenario — by the end of the century we will have about 80 million people,” he said. - We have a total fertility rate (the relative number of children per woman of childbearing age), which is now situationally high enough, maybe in the next two years to 1,7. And this is still good, because with current trends, in a few years there will be 1,5 – 1,4. In our 2025 year, women between the ages of 20 and 30 will be almost 70% less than they were in the 2011 year. ”
“In order for reproduction and the number of population to remain at the same level, 2,15 is needed. As a result of the fact that a pit begins, we are worse off than in 90-s, we need 2,5 children per woman - so that the numbers just stay out of the blue! ”Added Krupnov.

“Our officials can say that migration is not considered here. They can say, "but if in 2020, 100 million Chinese settle in Russia, this process will be different." I am not discussing whether we need a million or 100 millions of Chinese. It's about demographics. Demography is the reproduction of the population on its own. You can't bring 30 to millions of people from Central Africa and say that our demographics have improved.

This is an obvious thing, and the fact that the government is hiding it, stating some nonsense - first of all, Mrs. Golodets - in my opinion, this is the main problem. She says that we have an increase in the birth rate and we have coped with demographic difficulties. They say everything is fine with us, and the birth rate has grown over the last six years. But she grew up with a very low base. The problem is that Golodets does not say simple things that require the demographic and political mobilization of our country. We, by the way, will have 2025 million less than the working-age population by the year of 10. And this is not only a question of economics, but also a question of the army. We are experiencing a demographic catastrophe. It's like a man who had a stroke yesterday, they say that he is healthy, because yesterday he could not move, and today he is moving his little finger, ”he said.

The problem, however, is characteristic not only for Russia. “As a result of aggressive demographic policy, France has managed to bring its coefficient to almost two. America has a growing population. The structure of the population is changing in the direction of not only white Protestant. Yes, a lot of migration, but not more than a third, and the United States is an immigrant country by definition. In Germany, extinction - 1,4 – 1,5. In Japan, the extinction of the country is being discussed as a key process.
When migrants come to Paris, in the first generation the number of children is sharply less, in the second generation they correspond to the reproduction mode, which corresponds to the reproduction regime of the country, that is, cultural attitudes. Today we chat about Asia, about Africa, and in 15 – 20 years there will be the same problems. This is a worldwide problem. And Russia needs to become a leader in solving this issue, ”he believes.

Head of demography, population and migration at the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies (RISS), editor of demographia.net portal Igor Beloborodov makes more alarming predictions with regret.

“Yury Vasilyevich is a well-known optimist,” he told the VIEW newspaper. - After 2025, we will have such a strong failure, which will not be compensated with absolutely nothing, that all this история will get a snowball effect. Today we have about 11 million women aged from 20 to 29 years. Already by 2025-m their will be two times less. And there is no expectation that these women will give birth to more of the current generation. Each subsequent generation gives birth to fewer children. It would seem that there is nowhere less, but in fact the practice of such states as Singapore, Japan, South Korea, the provinces of China Hong Kong and Macao shows that there is still much to fall. As in society, while maintaining anti-family tendencies, there can be an effect of mass voluntary abandonment of children. ”

“The current birth rate does not even ensure the reproduction of the population, even a simple change of generations,” he stressed. “But in order to preserve it, women who will live in the 2025 year will have to give birth to twice as many children, that is, only for the birth rate to remain at these absolute values ​​— 1,8 – 1,9 million people a year, which for Russia few will have to give birth to 3,4 – 3,5 baby per woman. ”

However, in the UN report 1999, it was predicted that, according to the average scenario, the population of Russia in 2015 would be about 135 – 136 million.

“This forecast has not come true, but if you look at what happened, millions of migrants entered the country,” Beloborodov explains. - From 1992 to the present, the natural decline in population in our country - the difference between the dead and those born - was more than 13,5 million people. If this were not at least partially compensated by migration, there would be a different picture. We are the second in the world to receive migrants. In addition, the Crimea became part of Russia, and this is more than two million people, and also reflected. So there are no particularly happy trends here. If you look at the structure of fertility growth in recent years - he was, no one denies it - then it was provided by the same republics in which there was a good birth rate anyway: it grew in the North Caucasus, in Buryatia, the Tyva Republic, Yakutia, Yamalo-Nenets district. In the territories where the Slavs live compactly, the situation is depressing. ”

As reasons, scientists cite a low level of public morals and a lower religiosity of the population compared to previous times.

“We need to rely on a large multi-generation family, however improbable it may seem. If by the year 2035 half of the families are not large, it’s very difficult, almost unbelievable, we’ll have a negative population growth, ”Krupnov says. - We need a normal Russian multi-generation family with many children. This is the main task, the main national idea. Everything else is about nothing or direct sabotage. ”

“Previously, hunger and plague were the restraints, and now cultural attitudes. One child in a family or a childless family is considered almost as the preferred lifestyle of the Russian and world population. It is cultivated, ”he concluded.

“Reproductive behavior is defined by such a concept as the need for children,” expressed his opinion of Beloborodov. - This is when a person feels discomfort, if he has fewer children than he wants. 65% of families we have one child. This is sufficient dominant for most. Because already several generations live according to this model, practice abortions, divorce, change each other. Many generations who have not had brothers and sisters, they do not know what it is. About a quarter of our children grew up in single-parent families; by definition, they have no experience in building harmonious marital relationships. This has already been eradicated, and the situation will have to be remedied by radical measures, but, alas, some of them may be unpopular, because they are in discord with the anti-family consumer lifestyle that they have already managed to impose. ”
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  2. fvandaku
    fvandaku 29 August 2015 14: 40 New
    +93
    And I got the FOURTH and very happy wink
    1. Egevich
      Egevich 29 August 2015 14: 54 New
      +83
      Quote: fvandaku
      And I got the FOURTH and very happy wink

      I have six children between the ages of 22 and 1 year old ... we are thinking with my wife whether we can sway at the seventh Evgenievich or Evgenievna ... good seven children is somehow quite good.)
      1. Temples
        Temples 29 August 2015 15: 13 New
        +33
        I have three! Hooray!!!

        actually scientist He spoke not about the year 2050, but about the 2100th.


        "Scientist" graduated from the agricultural department of the University of Peoples' Friendship named after Patrice Lumumba

        And is he going to a learned archaeologist for treatment? (who has three classes of education, but the chervonets will draw it in half an hour ....)

        We got these "scientists."
        And what a respected place of publication !!! Times !!!
        It is in this edition that they write about Russia all the good and exclusively the TRUTH!
        1. Xanna
          Xanna 1 September 2015 05: 35 New
          0
          It's great when men talk about the problems of having children ...
          All of course well done, but I will answer as a woman aged 20 to 30 - I have no children and is not yet in sight ...
          Problems in the country are dragging one after another, one does not have to deal with symptoms, one has to find the cause.
          And the reason is that many have black salaries - read no maternity salaries. That they were - it is necessary to work at least 2 years in the state office.
          And if you also have an apartment on a mortgage or you live on a lease (well, not everyone has relatives who left them housing)?
          Plus - there are no kindergartens, i.e. after the child turns 3 - you will not go to work. Throw relatives? The option of course, but only they all work ...
          Nobody sits on anyone's neck - everyone works, everyone injects. It will accept techies, we work in factories, tea is not a humanitarian.
          You can just give birth if you have your own housing, if your husband works, if there is no credit burden, if you have a white salary.
          And if a husband suddenly decides to leave, everything happens ... I myself grew up in a family where dad decided to dump ... In general, let me give birth to those who can afford it, for me it is still a luxury.
          1. TWR
            TWR 1 September 2015 09: 38 New
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            Quote: Xanna
            All of course well done, but I will answer as a woman aged 20 to 30 - I have no children and is not yet in sight ...

            You sit more on the Internet, you will not be foreseen further. laughing
            Quote: Xanna
            And if the husband suddenly decides to leave, everything happens ... I myself grew up in a family where dad decided to dump ...

            A husband will not leave a good wife. Never. Remember this.
            Only if clinical. But you should not regret it. And they are extremely rare.
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 29 August 2015 16: 28 New
        +20
        Here are the prolific ... respect and respect !!)))
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 30 August 2015 03: 08 New
          +8
          Dr. Bormental RU Yesterday, 16:28 ↑
          Here are the prolific ... respect and respect !!)))


          Not prolific, but hardworking!
          Fertile run, from alimony poke. And here is the family.

          But respect and respect are right!
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      4. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 29 August 2015 16: 42 New
        +33
        It is strong and respected. But such cases are rare. In general, the birth rate cannot be raised without the full support of the state of all social spheres. State paternalism, so to speak. But Putin refused him back in 2007, saying that state-sponsored terrorism is not cost-effective. Read S.G. Kara-Murza “The Kremlin. Report to the people”, he described in detail the reasons for the decline in the birth rate. And it will fall while officials and oligarchs rob the country, while impunity triumphs.
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 29 August 2015 17: 12 New
          +24
          And it will fall while officials and oligarchs rob the country, while impunity triumphs.

          the easiest way to move the arrows to "uncle" ... before in Russia, a normal family was 5-10 people ... and Russia was GREAT ...

          nobody in Mohammedan’s countries is still moaning about benefits - they give birth ... BECAUSE THESE CONSIDER THIS NORMAL ...

          “Previously, hunger and plague were the restraints, and now cultural attitudes. One child in a family or a childless family is considered almost as the preferred lifestyle of the Russian and world population. It is cultivated, ”he concluded.

          WE are pampered ... we care only about our own well-being ...

          For a snack:

          Dr. Antun Lisets from Croatia, speaking at the festival in defense of life in Moscow on 23 on July 2010, said that over the past twenty years, West has spent 370 million dollars on birth control measures in Russia.

          this money is being spent on something (the philosophy of consumerism) that people would reason like many commentators ("I will not produce poverty") ... if you continue to think like this, then anyone else but Russians will live in Russia ...

          I DO NOT PERSONALLY criticize someone ...
          1. aleks700
            aleks700 29 August 2015 19: 16 New
            -3
            this money is being spent on something (the philosophy of consumerism) that people would reason like many commentators ("I will not produce poverty") ... if you continue to think like this, then anyone else but Russians will live in Russia ...
            It turns out a century in poverty?
          2. Stanss
            Stanss 29 August 2015 20: 58 New
            +11
            Previously, hunger, the plague were the limiters, but now cultural attitudes. One child in a family or a childless family is considered almost as the preferred lifestyle of the Russian and world population. It is cultivated, ”he concluded.

            yeah, I have one child, we want only one thing stopping my daughter and my wife: the fear that we will not be able to feed and give a normal education (((My wife’s younger brother has two, and although they’re only 1,5 years old, they’re already sad , although the income in our city is about 20-25 tr, which is considered not very bad ...
            and I think it stops so many families
            1. Yuri from Volgograd
              Yuri from Volgograd 29 August 2015 23: 16 New
              +9
              Quote: StanSS

              fear that we will not be able to feed and give a normal education (((

              and I think it stops so many families


              This is occasionally heard from different friends.
              Alas, in great Russia, rotten power and people it hates.
              In any case, you think so very strongly, looking at the size of benefits. But it’s not rare that it’s difficult to feed a family. I myself remember when the eldest was born, I could not find a normal job. There wasn’t enough money for anything, they didn’t pay the rent for half a year, they forgot about coffee / tea sugar, they lived on potatoes.
              Such a time, count only on yourself.
              1. Aljavad
                Aljavad 30 August 2015 03: 12 New
                +11
                looking at the size of benefits.


                Yes, no benefits should be!

                Remuneration should allow to support a family.
                1. ruru
                  ruru 30 August 2015 03: 41 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Aljavad
                  Yes, no benefits should be!
                  Remuneration should allow to support a family.

                  That's right. The people are like a drug addict. Sat down on benefits, subsidies, pensions. And he thinks that the "state" pays them. No, they are paid by workers. From which the state removes a significant part of their earnings (today in the Russian Federation it is 33,18%, Ukraine 40,5%).
                  But in fact, everything is much simpler. Work and earn. Here is the secret to success. And the main duty of the state is to create all the conditions for this. And do not take away large taxes, wasting them then HZ on what. People themselves figure out where to spend their money.
                  1. razzhivin
                    razzhivin 30 August 2015 14: 21 New
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                    No, they are paid by workers. From which the state withdraws a significant part of their earnings (today in Russia it is 33,18%, Ukraine 40,5%).

                    That's right !!! good

                    And if you add to this the understanding of the situation, that we will someday grow old and OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDS WILL PAY FOR OUR OLD negative .

                    HOW SHOULD YOU HATE THEM (!?) request negative to limit their birth rate now (under any specious pretexts) negative ... AND BECAUSE SIT THEM ON THE NECK ... negative
                  2. Yuri from Volgograd
                    Yuri from Volgograd 30 August 2015 20: 04 New
                    +5
                    Quote: ruru
                    Quote: Aljavad

                    Sat down on benefits, subsidies, pensions.
                    But in fact, everything is much simpler. Work and earn.

                    You’ll go to Russia even for an excursion.
                    I can give a tip with a real story.
                    Volgograd region, Masovo farm.
                    A man is a welder, everything is in order with his hands, not a couch potato, but there is no work. He constantly went to the administration, he was constantly being played there, they say there will be work, then we will definitely call.
                    The guy clearly spun, coven, but try to provide a wife and a child there.
                    By winter, due to lack of money, I cut down a tree and gave him two real years for it !!! (Volga floodplain and all that) Here Vasilyev and Serdyukov will probably be beaten to death if they find out for this ...
                    In general, you probably don’t know, but to live on benefits / subsidies / pensions in Russia is like knocking a rocket off a slingshot.
                    Many Muscovites do not understand, but in Russia, indeed, a completely different life and it has nothing to do with the one that channels the first channel.
                    And we damn still poke in the eye of the sworn west for double standards !!!
                    1. ruru
                      ruru 30 August 2015 20: 18 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                      The guy clearly spun, coven, but try to provide a wife and a child there.

                      The peasant had to leave to work. And do not sit next to a warm wife.
                      Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                      Many Muscovites do not understand, but in Russia a really different life

                      And where do the Muscovites? Pensions / allowances / subsidies to cancel all. Proportionally reducing, or even abolishing altogether, taxes on workers. The only thing that would not hurt to pay to citizens of the Russian Federation is natural rent.
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 30 August 2015 21: 00 New
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                        Quote: ruru
                        Pensions / allowances / subsidies to cancel all

                        Are these the same? belay

                        Temporary Disability Allowance
                        Maternity Benefit
                        Adoption allowance
                        One-time childbirth allowance
                        Monthly Child Care Allowance
                        Payment of four extra days off per month to one of the working parents (guardian, trustee) for the care of disabled children

                        You can expand the list, I do not see the point simply.

                        Quote: ruru
                        The only thing that would not hurt to pay to citizens of the Russian Federation is natural rent.

                        Mdya .. dreaming, of course, is not harmful .. only due to what we will contain the army-fleet, for example?

                        By the way: how many countries do you know where citizens (I emphasize - only to citizens) are paid - in one form or another - natural rent? I, except the Emirates and Saudi, EMNIP, I can’t remember anyone.
                      2. ruru
                        ruru 30 August 2015 21: 19 New
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                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Are these the same?

                        These must be watched carefully and separately. POSSIBLY, some of them should be canceled. But, again, the question is not just cancellation. Question in REFORM payments and taxation.
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        only due to what will we maintain an army-fleet, for example?

                        Due to her. Only the army and navy should be adequate to the intended tasks.
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        By the way: how many countries do you know where citizens (I emphasize - only to citizens) are paid - in one form or another - natural rent?

                        Almost all countries with natural resources. Only basically this rent is paid "in a different form." In Russia, by the way, it is also paid. And it is precisely in this “secret” of a higher standard of living than that of neighbors. In addition to the Baltic states. They turned around in time with the EU, so they live richer and without rent.
                      3. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 30 August 2015 21: 31 New
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                        Quote: ruru
                        These you need to look carefully and separately. MAYBE, some of them must be canceled.

                        ABOUT! Glimpses .. Not so simple, so well?

                        Quote: ruru
                        Due to it (natural rent). Only the army and navy should be adequate to the intended tasks.

                        And now are they sufficient, insufficient or redundant? Based on the "intended tasks"? That is, the question is - the army must:

                        - less?
                        - more?
                        - like now?

                        Quote: ruru
                        basically this rent is paid “in a different form”. In Russia, by the way, it is also paid.

                        I didn’t know .. do not open the topic?
                      4. ruru
                        ruru 30 August 2015 22: 00 New
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                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        And now are they sufficient, insufficient or redundant?

                        This is not for me. I am not a specialist in geopolitics and its support for the armed forces.
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        I didn’t know .. do not open the topic?

                        This topic is opened for you by the accounting department. When the paycheck pays.
                        Look at the salary level in the CIS countries. And then estimate, why in the Russian Federation it is higher than anywhere else.
                        Also figure out why in Russia the full taxes and fees on the wage bill of individuals are 33,2%, and in Ukraine, for example, 40,5%. What, the Russian authorities do not need money? This is not the correct answer.
                      5. razzhivin
                        razzhivin 30 August 2015 22: 07 New
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                        This is not for me. I am not a specialist in geopolitics and its support for the armed forces.

                        I'm generally interested in some of your thoughts ... somewhere we think the same ...

                        BUT !!!

                        there is a golden rule: CRITICAL - OFFER, OFFER - SUBSTANTIATE ...

                        and so it turns out chatter as in a smoking room - it becomes uninteresting
                      6. ruru
                        ruru 30 August 2015 22: 35 New
                        +1
                        Quote: razzhivin
                        CRITICIZE - OFFER; OFFER - SUBSTANTIATE ...

                        Do you think this site is suitable for this place?
                        Quote: razzhivin
                        and so it turns out chatter as in a smoking room - it becomes uninteresting

                        This is the talk in the smoking room. So this should be treated. At least that's how I feel.
                        Quote: razzhivin
                        I'm generally interested in some of your thoughts ...

                        I haven’t even begun to expound them to you. What was, it is, by the way.
                        In fact, the world is extremely primitive and simple. If someone manages to get to the bottom of his device, and this is extremely difficult due to the huge layers of ideological nonsense of various kinds, then the future can be relatively easily predicted. There is nothing complicated about it. To do this, you do not have to be grandmother Wang and grandfather Nostradamus. And a magic ball is not needed. And even a mirror. Well, something like this.
                        Quote: razzhivin
                        somewhere we think alike ...

                        It is nice to meet, to some extent, like-minded people. Yes, and just a thinking person.
                      7. Rosich333
                        Rosich333 30 August 2015 22: 48 New
                        +1
                        There are like-minded people here, but much more ... not at all "thinkers." In principle, as elsewhere in life.
                      8. ruru
                        ruru 30 August 2015 23: 22 New
                        0
                        Quote: Rosich333
                        but much more ... not at all "musliners"

                        That is yes. But still, the main contingent of the site simply surprises me and amazes me. I don’t know what to think.
                2. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 30 August 2015 22: 11 New
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                  Quote: ruru
                  Look at the salary level in the CIS countries. And then estimate, why in the Russian Federation it is higher than anywhere else.
                  Also estimate why in the Russian Federation taxes and fees on wages and salaries of individuals are 33,2%, and in Ukraine, for example, 40,5%. What, the Russian authorities do not need money? This is not the correct answer.

                  OK thanks.
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      5. razzhivin
        razzhivin 30 August 2015 21: 03 New
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        Many Muscovites do not understand, but in Russia, indeed, a completely different life and it has nothing to do with the one that channels the first channel.

        why did you decide that Muscovites are here - look at them here, not even the majority ...
      6. shooter cc
        shooter cc 31 August 2015 02: 20 New
        +1
        two years per tree? I don’t believe something like that, it's the same tree, who will plant that for it?
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  • romanru4
    romanru4 29 August 2015 23: 50 New
    -6
    Do not backwater. No need to breed fools. You understand the genes ...
  • razzhivin
    razzhivin 30 August 2015 15: 56 New
    +2
    fear that we will not be able to feed and give a normal education (((

    all people think about tomorrow ... but at the same time gave birth to a war (1 world, civil, domestic) ... then there were even more fears ...
  • lidiy
    lidiy 30 August 2015 17: 19 New
    +2
    They say that Germany has a fairly good standard of living, and nevertheless, the article says that "In Germany, extinction is a 1,4-1,5 coefficient. In Japan, countries are discussing extinction as a key process."
    This means that fertility does not depend on the standard of living.
    On this site you can vote against abortion http://citizengo.org/en/19313-podderzhivaem-predlozhenie-svyateyshego-patriarha
    "The need to stop paying for abortion - killing children at an early stage of development - with budget money (that is, our taxes) is long overdue."
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 30 August 2015 17: 50 New
      +1
      http://citizengo.org/ru/19313-podderzhivaem-predlozhenie-svyateyshego-patriarha

      thank you drinks ... voted ... negative
  • gladcu2
    gladcu2 31 August 2015 20: 49 New
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    Stanss

    You are faced with what is happening in the countries of the golden billion.

    When planning a family, financial opportunities are a priority. And also the fear of losing career growth. Well paid job. As well as the factor of late families and late children.

    And all this can be solved in only one way. Give a perspective of confidence and stability to the future.

    In the presence of a market system, this is in principle not possible.

    Planned Yes, just right.
  • I do not care
    I do not care 29 August 2015 19: 57 New
    +2
    me by (2) SU Today, 19: 52 New
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    s. In general, the birth rate cannot be raised without the full support of the state of all social spheres.
    Brezhnev 70 82 years and by inertia to 89 - population growth is deafening, the construction of social housing and cheap cooperatives
    created a fertility boom. millions of jobs in construction and utilities, three construction projects of the all-Union scale-urengoy-pomory, bam, and even more, with the arrival of the invisible market and a miracle mortgage everything was covered by a copper basin. Especially gifted, the Olympics in Sochi cost us about 50 lard ye, we consider at the exchange rate of that time, 1000 dollars -1 is a square of good housing. Money is essential for 97% budget. empirically, try to calculate the benefits (what a bad word) for people without housing. Do you want children? Then we go to you
  • romanru4
    romanru4 29 August 2015 22: 25 New
    +2
    That is, you want to say that the higher the standard of living, the higher the birth rate?
    1. Bekas1967
      Bekas1967 29 August 2015 22: 48 New
      +15
      Not a standard of living, but SOC.protection, confidence in the future, stability in the economy of the state ... And now this is not and is not expected ((((children need to be fed, taken to kindergartens, educated ... and this not many can afford a decent level ... Responsible parents will think many times before deciding on 2-3 children .. In the USSR, the state took care of many problems and having work anyone could plan their lives until entering a university ... It's scary now for children! drug addicts, pedophiles, terrorists, globalists, capitalists ...- so much shit has come out, a lot has arisen (((((
      1. romanru4
        romanru4 29 August 2015 23: 26 New
        +4
        That is, the lowest social security, confidence in the future, stability in the economy of the state, which are not and are not expected; where they can’t afford to feed their children at a decent level, to drive to kindergartens, to educate .... etc. in Europe - this is in Germany! There is the lowest birth rate among the indigenous population.
        \ And, it is absolutely certain that all of the benefactors listed above are present in full in such a state as Bangladesh. There is now the highest birth rate in the world and the highest population growth. Only now it seems to me that there is not something about medicine ..., few people have heard anything about basic sanitation. So, dear friend, remember, write it down and hang it above the table - "The higher the standard of living, the higher the social security among the population in the country, the fewer women give birth to children!" This is an axiom!
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 31 August 2015 23: 34 New
          +1
          romanru4

          You have contradictions in this statement. Social security is not related to living standards.

          Social security provides a confident look at the future.

          The standard of living is directly related to income. And since income cannot be stable in principle, they don’t talk about confidence in the future.

          In anticipation of this stability and postpone the birth of a child.
      2. 31R-US
        31R-US 30 August 2015 11: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Bekas1967
        Responsible parents will think many times before deciding on 2-3 children

        Very correctly said good
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 30 August 2015 14: 25 New
          +2
          31R-US: Very correctly said

          will we ever grow old and our children and grandchildren will pay for our old age negative ...

          HOW SHOULD YOU HATE THEM (!?) Request negative, in order to limit their birth rate now (under any plausible pretexts) negative ... AND THEN SIT THEM ON THE NECK ... negative
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 31 August 2015 23: 27 New
      +1
      romanru4

      Absolutely not true. The standard of living is in no way connected with the birth rate.

      Only confident stable future.

      I will give an example about people from the third world who are sitting on social security benefits. No motivation to climb the social ladder. Vseravno in the competition there are not enough resources. But a stable guaranteed income and other subsidies. Often seven are not created at all. Since for loners the allowance is higher. Each woman gives birth from an unknown donor and not only from one. It turns out a perennial single mother with coming fathers.
  • Yakut
    Yakut 30 August 2015 10: 30 New
    -3
    All these bouncers, six-seven, etc., thought, and what can you give your children, except that you grow and feed up to adulthood ??? Nowadays, "pushing" a child into life, even after educating it, means dooming him to ordeals, up to forty years in rented apartments and a beggarly wage. In our country, raising a child really means educating and HOUSING, so that he doesn’t scrub or plow on a mortgage, but has his own and can live fully ...
    1. Alexl
      Alexl 30 August 2015 11: 36 New
      +2
      Those. if there is no billion, but you need to go to w ...?
    2. lidiy
      lidiy 30 August 2015 17: 23 New
      +2
      One hundred years ago, Russia also did not live well, but the average number of children in a family was above four.
      1. Yuri from Volgograd
        Yuri from Volgograd 30 August 2015 20: 09 New
        0
        Quote: lidiy
        One hundred years ago, Russia also did not live well, but the average number of children in a family was above four.

        It's simple.
        There were no contraceptives, and the infant mortality rate went through the roof. Not unfortunately everyone grew up.
        Sad but true.
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 30 August 2015 21: 10 New
          -1
          It's simple.
          There were no contraceptives, and the infant mortality rate went through the roof. Not unfortunately everyone grew up.
          Sad but true.


          how did you simply blame (and insult) a huge number of people (including relatives here) that they gave birth and raised UNWANTED children ...

          AH AH AH

          JUDGE FOR YOURSELF ??? you want to justify yourself ???
          1. Yuri from Volgograd
            Yuri from Volgograd 31 August 2015 11: 15 New
            0
            Quote: razzhivin
            It's simple.
            There were no contraceptives, and the infant mortality rate went through the roof. Not unfortunately everyone grew up.
            Sad but true.


            how did you simply blame (and insult) a huge number of people (including relatives here) that they gave birth and raised UNWANTED children ...

            AH AH AH

            JUDGE FOR YOURSELF ??? you want to justify yourself ???

            C fig?
            It is completely natural and not ugly.
            It’s just that you can now regulate the birth rate and, thank God, children live longer than before.
            Specify specifically where I offended whom, what's wrong?
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 31 August 2015 23: 41 New
      0
      Yakut

      Not everyone can arrange their children like that.

      The maximum that I can afford is education and my first job.

      True, I have 2 from each wife, one at a time. Two wifes. Just once divorced. :)

      One is already arranged. Raise the second.
    4. Egevich
      Egevich 7 September 2015 10: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Yakut
      All these bouncers, six-seven, etc., thought, and what can you give your children, except that you grow and feed up to adulthood ??? Nowadays, "pushing" a child into life, even after educating it, means dooming him to ordeals, up to forty years in rented apartments and a beggarly wage. In our country, raising a child really means educating and HOUSING, so that he doesn’t scrub or plow on a mortgage, but has his own and can live fully ...

      I'm sorry, but what kind of tone is unacceptable in a decent society? Are you a theorist or practitioner? share your experience, please, if there is one ... and if not, I’ll ask you to use your mouth only for its intended purpose ...
      only I wrote about seven children in this thread, it means a stone in my garden ... well, well, I’ll answer in detail so as not to be considered a bouncer ... the eldest son is a lieutenant, he is provided with housing, the youngest son is a sergeant of a c / s, housing it will be provided in 3 years, the eldest daughter is a translator, she is provided with housing, the three younger girls are still too small to talk about education and housing, but I feel so, everything will be fine ... you just need to love your children, but not raise them egoists and consumers ...
  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 29 August 2015 17: 00 New
    +4
    Beauties, less words and more deeds!
  • razzhivin
    razzhivin 29 August 2015 18: 34 New
    +6
    I have six children from the age of 22 to 1 ... we’re thinking with my wife if we’ll be aiming for the seventh

    good

    I respect !!!
  • GSVG
    GSVG 29 August 2015 23: 21 New
    +7
    good Kids are not (profit), it is HAPPINESS !!! Saw, everything began to measure "candy wrappers" !!! Deep respect to Dad and Mom! drinks
  • WE ARE MAKING
    WE ARE MAKING 29 August 2015 15: 23 New
    0
    And I can’t do the second. I won’t stretch out for money and housing, but I’m not going to produce poverty, as in China or India.
    1. Fantomac
      Fantomac 29 August 2015 15: 52 New
      +21
      From the same silly story as: I will not give birth to evil to the government. Yes, you do not need to earn a billion, you need to raise children, and they themselves will earn it, the main thing is that the children become self-sufficient, and not rich.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 29 August 2015 16: 31 New
        +2
        At least one, but it is necessary
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      3. Hell's Angel
        Hell's Angel 29 August 2015 16: 32 New
        +9
        Set of little dog + nipple, 850 rub. at the pharmacy! Plastmass!
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 29 August 2015 16: 45 New
          +14
          Well, now ... I can’t be sure that I will provide for my wife and child ... I can’t take such responsibility. There is a wife, no child. What to do? hell knows ... She works like a horse, I also ... hell knows all the money where to go .. we don’t go abroad, we don’t drink elite cognacs ... miracles, in short
          1. Bekas1967
            Bekas1967 29 August 2015 22: 52 New
            +3
            These miracles are called a MARKET, a democratic system ... for which they fought for that .... Comrade, oh, excuse me, Lord.
          2. Defender
            Defender 29 August 2015 23: 30 New
            +7
            God gives children, and will give for children! I have four. When there was one, it was 3-4 hours for a loved one, a second 2-3 hours appeared, a third 1-2, a fourth 0-0,5)))
            - “Pray and work” and I wonder how we live to see the next payday! hi
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        3. tomket
          tomket 29 August 2015 18: 31 New
          +19
          Quote: angel of hell
          Set of little dog + nipple, 850 rub. at the pharmacy! Plastmass!

          In general, a lot of examples can be given about how children's socks are three to four times more expensive than adults. about how children's food is more expensive than restaurant food. about how clothes are more expensive than branded adults. the list can be ad infinitum. Car seat - no domestic. Strollers - similarly. The most interesting thing is that all the goods are mainly imported. to find something domestic - it’s lucky from the category or at a price they are comparable to Western ones. what is interesting, after the appreciation of the dollar, domestic business is in no hurry to carry out import substitution, the question is why? also from the same opera. village milk -70r per liter. how such a wrapping occurs on the road from the collective farmer to the market is not known. I do not need handouts from the state in the form of maternal capital. Give the opportunity to buy goods for children. In general - in our country EVERYTHING FOR CHILDREN! Thanks to the government and personally to Comrade Putin! And you ask why the Russians do not want the second .....
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 29 August 2015 20: 03 New
            +8
            Quote: tomket
            And you ask - why the Russians do not want the second .....

            Why don’t they want to? I have two, I want a third.
          2. woron333444
            woron333444 29 August 2015 20: 42 New
            +16
            When my wife, that is, she, gave birth to a third, we did not think about socks and clothes. There were no pampers. Since 1978, 1981, 1984. I won’t say that they were light. And when was it easy in Russia? The eldest daughter has one higher, the rest two. So far 5 grandchildren. We are waiting for two more.
          3. per3526
            per3526 29 August 2015 22: 29 New
            +4
            Yes, at least make 5 rubles for milk, you’ll only whine. People have 6 children and they don’t groan like you.
          4. Defender
            Defender 29 August 2015 23: 36 New
            +7
            I have all four dressed in second-hand clothes, as well as exchanging with family members and friends, only sometimes we take new shoes, and the eldest is already on official allowance in the building!
          5. romanru4
            romanru4 29 August 2015 23: 46 New
            0
            How I used to live without a window closer in my car - I just don’t know?
        4. Rostislav
          Rostislav 29 August 2015 18: 48 New
          +22
          No need to cry, adults are everything.
          I have three. And this despite the fact that my wife has different Rh factors.
          Who wants - is looking for opportunities. he who does not want seeks reasons.
        5. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 30 August 2015 16: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: angel of hell
          Set of little dog + nipple, 850 rub. at the pharmacy! Plastmass!

          You need to feed a tit!
          1. ruru
            ruru 30 August 2015 16: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            You need to feed a tit!

            That's right. I am deeply convinced that this is my personal opinion and experience that it is impossible to raise a completely healthy child by artificial feeding.
        6. lidiy
          lidiy 30 August 2015 17: 30 New
          +2
          Nonsense. One mother complained to me how expensive it is to collect a child in first grade. One portfolio bought for 5 thousand rubles!
          But there are normal portfolios for 1500 rubles, and some buy even cheaper. Just like with the bottles. This does not mean that you cannot find a bottle cheaper than 850 rubles.
    2. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 29 August 2015 16: 29 New
      +2
      I, for the same reason, cannot be the first one either (((Should I feed him with his shoulder or something?
      1. per3526
        per3526 29 August 2015 23: 11 New
        0
        don’t do a finger, learn how to feed, we can like it)
      2. Nikolaitch
        Nikolaitch 30 August 2015 08: 41 New
        +3
        Children are always great! And the best investment. The more children, the richer the family.
        And those who can but do not want to recognize it easily and naturally. You are weaklings. And die
    3. Stanss
      Stanss 29 August 2015 21: 02 New
      +1
      same stuff(((
    4. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 30 August 2015 00: 10 New
      0
      And in China, most families have 1 or 2 children.
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 30 August 2015 03: 18 New
        +2
        And in China, most families have 1 or 2 children.

        The military - as much as they want.
      2. razzhivin
        razzhivin 30 August 2015 14: 35 New
        0
        And in China, most families have 1 or 2 children.

        After many years of politics - "one family - one child", the number of children born by one woman decreased from 5,8 to 1,8 ... negative it’s like in about Europe, and here (without any programs) ... request

        while in China are very concerned negative the fact that the load on the young generations, which now must contain a HUGE number of elderly relatives, has greatly increased. negative

        The government there traditionally does not fork out for the elderly ... request
  • Uncle VasyaSayapin
    Uncle VasyaSayapin 29 August 2015 15: 46 New
    +1
    Thank God I'm not the only one!
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 29 August 2015 16: 27 New
    +2
    Well .. damn .. beautiful))
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  • Barberry
    Barberry 29 August 2015 16: 46 New
    +11
    We wanted three ... but health failed and we have two - a girl and a boy! Women want to give birth! All friends and acquaintances in the majority are "twofold."
  • EGOrkka
    EGOrkka 29 August 2015 17: 12 New
    +3
    hammer!!! good
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 29 August 2015 17: 16 New
      +4
      What kind of hammer ... take it higher ... SQUARE))))))))
  • papas-57
    papas-57 29 August 2015 19: 56 New
    +4
    “We need a normal Russian large multi-generational family.” And what does the state do for such families? Absolutely nothing. It helps officials, banks, oligarchs, but not simple families. There is no need to recall maternal capital; this is not a help to families, but tears.
    1. fif21
      fif21 29 August 2015 21: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: papas-57
      We need a normal Russian large multi-generational family. ”
      But who needs it? The state, yes, needs soldiers and a tax base. Yes, business needs labor and the more the cheaper wassat But this is 10% of the population, and not the most prolific one. And the remaining 90% how do they live? The middle class has learned to count money and is no longer being spent on maternal capital (state lure)! What about the business? unemployment in the country however! Women give birth to children, but nowhere to work! And what salaries do people have who work for the owner? They cannot feed themselves, but what about children? The higher the level of education in people, the less likely to increase fertility. Fertility can only increase if the standard of living of most people is good. And over the 25 years of capitalism in Russia, people have realized that this will never happen! Either default, then crisis, then oil is cheap (expensive gasoline), then drought, then rain. So who needs fertility? Me? -Do not guess! fool
      1. per3526
        per3526 29 August 2015 23: 09 New
        +6
        and untruth, propaganda, lies. We all know that for the manufacture of children not money is needed, but a husband and wife.
        1. Nikolaitch
          Nikolaitch 30 August 2015 09: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: per3526
          and untruth, propaganda, lies. We all know that for the manufacture of children not money is needed, but a husband and wife.


          Sorry generously

          Minus accidentally slapped. Could, put 100 pluses.
          and underneath too hi
          1. razzhivin
            razzhivin 30 August 2015 14: 41 New
            +1
            you can go to his profile and correct (increase) the rating - compensate for the error ...
      2. Alexl
        Alexl 30 August 2015 11: 41 New
        +4
        The people themselves need it. So that our cities do not turn into auls.
      3. razzhivin
        razzhivin 30 August 2015 14: 38 New
        0
        and tax base. . So who needs fertility? Me? -Do not guess!

        you at the expense of whom you are going to receive a pension Dear ... ????

        AAAA! got it ...

        due to the one who put the pluses !!! - ????
    2. per3526
      per3526 29 August 2015 23: 05 New
      0
      can Putin also go to work for you?
    3. ruru
      ruru 30 August 2015 00: 30 New
      -5
      Quote: papas-57
      “We need a normal Russian large multi-generational family”

      This phrase is in conflict with the Constitution. And the Constitution is the Basic Law. Therefore, the phrase is not true.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 30 August 2015 00: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: ruru
        This phrase conflicts with the Constitution of the Russian Federation. And the Constitution is the Basic Law.

        On points please hi Or fly away to the ban before croaking
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            1. ruru
              ruru 30 August 2015 03: 01 New
              -4
              Quote: Ruslan67
              If you survive, you will find out

              I’ve already collected my portfolio for school, are you scary?
            2. Hleb
              Hleb 30 August 2015 03: 05 New
              0
              Well, maybe he saw in this statement 29 article of the Constitution (or 19th). what are the threats of ban and survival because if he does not respond?
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  • ruru
    ruru 30 August 2015 00: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: fvandaku
    And I got the FOURTH and very happy

    Who is the fourth? Cat, or what?
    They do not give birth to offspring; they give birth to offspring. People at least.
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  • Sirs
    Sirs 31 August 2015 03: 23 New
    0
    I still have the 1st, but soon we will go for the 2nd.)))))))))))))))))
  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 29 August 2015 14: 40 New
    +41
    To have a normal birth rate, you need to control the prices of goods for children. Consumables diapers packaging 1000 rubles, baby formula 400-500 rubles, crib 12000 rubles, baby stroller 15000 rubles. How can an average Russian with a salary of 15-20 thousand rubles support a child (mother on maternity leave, father works alone)? Especially when you consider that often a young family is forced to rent an apartment and there a monthly portion of the money goes ...
    1. 31R-US
      31R-US 29 August 2015 15: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      How can an average Russian with a salary of 15-20 thousand rubles support a child?

      I completely agree with you. I will give my honest example, I don’t need to throw currents. The maintenance of a 4-month-old puppy of a Central Asian shepherd cost me 6500 rubles (dry food + vitamins) per month (treatment is not included)
      1. Temples
        Temples 29 August 2015 15: 16 New
        +2
        Well, I’ve completely branded !!!

        Comparing a puppy with a child !!!!!

        If your mom and dad thought so, would you be here with us now?
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 29 August 2015 17: 33 New
          +12
          I think he put a different meaning in his message ... look at how many dogs are kept around now, etc., and on children request
        2. 31R-US
          31R-US 29 August 2015 17: 38 New
          +7
          I did not compare the puppy with the child, I designated the price of keeping the dog. If you spend less on a child, I am not guilty of this.
      2. Fantomac
        Fantomac 29 August 2015 15: 20 New
        +23
        In a selfish, consumer society, you at least for full support take a child to give birth still will not, because the main thing in life is not children but pleasure (cool car, apartment, clothes, rest over the hill, career growth of the spouse, etc., etc.). I believe that financial family matters are far from the first place, otherwise how can one explain the high birth rate in the Middle East, where they have not even heard about diapers.
        1. Hell's Angel
          Hell's Angel 29 August 2015 16: 37 New
          +4
          There are several wealthy acquaintances, so they have four and five. When you have everything, you want to think about good things, and they give birth. Moreover, there will be someone to leave ... But unfortunately we have not many such wealthy
        2. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 29 August 2015 18: 18 New
          -3
          Quote: Fantomac
          because the main thing in life is not children but pleasure (cool car, apartment, clothes, rest over the hill, career growth of the spouse, etc., etc.)
          Is apartment and career growth a pleasure? wassat

          Please tell me - how many people can afford all these pleasures, or are you one of those who live in a parallel universe?
          1. Fantomac
            Fantomac 31 August 2015 14: 12 New
            0
            And here they may or may not allow it, everyone is eager for this, they will get loans and then they don’t know how to pay. Everyone has a headache how to buy a cool clothes or a car with an apartment, and not give birth to children.
        3. fif21
          fif21 29 August 2015 22: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: Fantomac
          otherwise, how can one explain the high birth rate in the Middle East, where they did not even hear about diapers.
          East is a delicate matter! There are few educated women, they haven’t heard about emancipation, devout ones (I'm talking about abortion), but about kalym, did you hear something? Husband buys a wife! How many women in the east have you seen working? They sit at home and raise children and housekeeping on them. And they inspire them from birth! If a man has money, he can buy two or three beauties and keep them and children. And if there is no money, then there is no offspring! good And we have? There is money, so there are 2-3 mistresses or a huge number of fallen women, and if there is no money, then as a rule there are children! request
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        5. Dilshat
          Dilshat 30 August 2015 00: 50 New
          -3
          How can I explain to you? In BV there is a low level of income but a lower cost. There is a need for accurate calculations — how many children we can have without getting into debt and they are.
      3. sherp2015
        sherp2015 29 August 2015 15: 27 New
        +8
        Quote: 31R-US
        . Maintenance of a 4 month old Central Asian Shepherd puppy cost me 6500 rubles (dry food + vitamins) per month (treatment is not included)


        Stop feeding this rubbish to dogs ... Dry food is solid chemistry.
        It is much more profitable to take trimmings, slaughter bones (not poultry, tubular), and preferably beef, in slaughterhouses or even markets.
        A budget of about 1000 per month and more useful.
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 29 August 2015 16: 39 New
          +4
          I subscribe to every word. Pieces and soups (broths), too, have not been canceled on the same scraps. And you don’t have to overfeed meat.
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 29 August 2015 18: 56 New
          -3
          Quote: sherp2015
          Stop feeding this rubbish to dogs ... Dry food is solid chemistry.

          Are you in vain so-so ..

          Example: Siamese cat, current age is 18,5 years (!!). At 17, she decided to die (fed chicken breast, well, and the little things in the form of an additive .. but not “off the table”) - constipation, I apologize. Three months they fought with her ..

          After selecting the right (attention!) Dry food - it lives on its own and does not bother for a year and a half already ..

          Premium food, correctly selected, is the thing.

          PS: Whiskas, Chappi and other crap do not apply here no
          Quote: 31R-US
          Maintenance of a 4 month old Central Asian Shepherd puppy

          Quote: sherp2015
          A budget of about 1000 per month and more useful

          Yah? "This is unlikely .." (c) Sukhov
        3. 31R-US
          31R-US 30 August 2015 10: 11 New
          +1
          Already stopped my dog ​​sanctions on imported feed laughing
      4. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 29 August 2015 16: 34 New
        0
        Well, something you just like it is not very ... Compare a dog with a child .. unsuccessfully.
      5. vsoltan
        vsoltan 29 August 2015 18: 01 New
        0
        Ha, and it costs me a little less, already 9-nd old woman. ... Thank God, children already have their own. ... true, and Alabaev 4-th generation. .. managed to combine, always being a state employee. ..
      6. woron333444
        woron333444 29 August 2015 20: 44 New
        +4
        Didn’t you try to have a baby?
        1. 31R-US
          31R-US 30 August 2015 10: 12 New
          0
          Question to whom?
        2. 31R-US
          31R-US 30 August 2015 12: 01 New
          0
          "Get" dogs, cats, aquarium fish, etc., as well as a tractor
    2. Maj.
      Maj. 29 August 2015 15: 17 New
      +16
      All this is so, but the most important thing is to have confidence in the future. But it is not there, you put on your children and remained without work. and it’s not even about money and prices, but precisely about doubts about tomorrow.
      1. Hell's Angel
        Hell's Angel 29 August 2015 16: 38 New
        +1
        When there was confidence, many scored loans. And now?
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 29 August 2015 16: 55 New
          +8
          How old are you?))) What are the loans with our state? This is considered to play Russian roulette)) You have to lie with your bones, re-get all the relatives, but not the state !!! KABALA!
          1. Hell's Angel
            Hell's Angel 29 August 2015 18: 31 New
            +2
            What do I have to do with it? It’s just that today statistics on the non-return of loans taken over the past year turned up. This is something with something! Many took an apartment on a mortgage only because they wanted their own corner and children. And many did believe that everything, now everything will be fine with us.
            Yes, and not borrowed from the state, but commercial banks. And this does not matter what happened to a person. And they can lobby any laws.
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 29 August 2015 19: 01 New
              +3
              Quote: angel of hell
              What do I have to do with it? It’s just that today statistics on the non-return of loans taken over the past year turned up. This is something with something! Many took an apartment on a mortgage only because they wanted their own corner and children. And many did believe that everything, now everything will be fine with us.
              Yes, and not borrowed from the state, but commercial banks. And this does not matter what happened to a person. And they can lobby any laws.

              So maybe they took an apartment in a mortgage in foreign currency, and when the ruble fell, the price of the apartment increased several times. It’s better not to take a mortgage at all, since this is a complete hassle, you will have to collect money for a fee by 20-30 years by the 7th of the month, and if you are fired after 10 years? And you will not be able to pay contributions regularly, they will take away the apartment, the money already paid for several years will not be returned, as a result, you won’t even have your apartment and you’ll still be one and a half million less.
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          2. 31R-US
            31R-US 30 August 2015 10: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            It’s necessary to lie down with bones, to reassign from all relatives, but not from the state !!! KABALA!

            I put greasyth plus
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    3. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 29 August 2015 16: 33 New
      +4
      Your parents raised you without passports and nothing. And now all the money is not enough. that's because of this setting and the birth rate is falling
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 29 August 2015 17: 07 New
        0
        I don’t really understand what it means "they raised without passports", but oh well. I am 35, my wife is 31, we have a total salary of 60 (if it is with bonuses) TR SPb. I’m a doctor, she’s a store manager. We live in our one-room apartment (fortunately). And how does the child fit in here? We have 2/3 of the salary spent on communal and food. There is a price tag in the store - you don’t leave less than a thousand ... Children are a great pleasure these days.
        1. fif21
          fif21 29 August 2015 22: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Children these days are a great pleasure.
          Perhaps you wanted to say, dear pleasure.?
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        3. Nikolaitch
          Nikolaitch 30 August 2015 09: 23 New
          0
          Probably you wanted to say ...
          Well, in general, sign your own stupidity hi
          So they chose the wrong path if half the life has been lived but it still seems that there is nothing
          By the way, sure guess
        4. Alexl
          Alexl 30 August 2015 11: 47 New
          +3
          You snickering with her. 60000 is not enough for you .....
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    4. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 17: 31 New
      +8
      Consumables diapers packaging 1000 rubles, baby formula 400-500 rubles, crib 12000 rubles, baby stroller 15000 rubles.


      so say ELIMINATION and Laziness ....

      I raised my first two children AT ALL without poguznikov and infant formula ... I washed diapers with my own hands ...

      the cot was recently freed from the youngest daughter - they could not sell a practically new one, they gave it to 4 for thousands of acquaintances with all the other children's "quandaries" ....

      So that excuses are all excuses ...
      1. Hell's Angel
        Hell's Angel 29 August 2015 18: 33 New
        -5
        the first two children raised at all without poguznikov and infant formula.
        And when people hunted mammoths. There is a picture in comments on this topic.
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 29 August 2015 18: 45 New
          +6
          the first two children raised at all without poguznikov and infant formula.
          And when people hunted mammoths. There is a picture in comments on this topic.


          you apparently have conjunctive dissonance ...

          if you justify the lack of children with a lack of money, and then criticize the way to save ... request
          1. Hell's Angel
            Hell's Angel 1 September 2015 14: 45 New
            0
            if you justify the lack of children by lack of money, and then criticize the way of saving
            I have three.
            the first two children raised at all without poguznikov and infant formula.
            Well yes. In the 60s - 70s and in the 80s this either in nature did not exist or was not available. Here I am talking about.
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 29 August 2015 19: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: razzhivin
        so say ELIMINATION and Laziness ....

        I raised my first two children AT ALL without poguznikov and infant formula ... I washed diapers with my own hands ...

        the cot was recently freed from the youngest daughter - they could not sell a practically new one, they gave it to 4 for thousands of acquaintances with all the other children's "quandaries" ....

        So that excuses are all excuses ...

        My elder brother came across all this, so all this is not fiction and not excuses, but all before my eyes. It’s good that the apartment of the wife’s parents is in which they live with the wife’s parents. Without financial assistance from the parents of the wife and their parents are unlikely to pull.
        And who does not have an apartment, or an orphan or poor parents or drunkards, what should they do?
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 29 August 2015 21: 10 New
          +6
          And who does not have an apartment, or an orphan or poor parents or drunkards, what should they do?

          actually, everyone has their own situation and someone cannot give birth due to a medical condition (my wife has had two girlfriends for a long time wanting a second child - yes, God does not give) ...

          I’m still talking about something else, many (not all) HAVE an opportunity - but there is no desire - they get dogs, buy foreign cars, drink beer at last ... and children NEVER - do not want to produce poverty... I know a lot of these ...
  • Vasily
    Vasily 29 August 2015 14: 41 New
    +9
    If the population of a species is reduced, then something is wrong with it ...
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 29 August 2015 14: 56 New
      +13
      Quote: Vasily
      If the population of a species is reduced, then something is wrong with it ...


      Or with the habitat? Although it is possible and overlapping factors ...
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 29 August 2015 19: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: Vasily
      If the population of a species is reduced, then something is wrong with it ...

      Everything is wrong, we do not have an ideology where the family and human life will be the basis of the state. We live in an age of consumption, cars, dachas, clothes, gadgets, the main value and the country is controlled not by patriots, but by ordinary market traders.
      Even in the conditions of a corrupt ideology, raising the birth rate is quite possible. Let them put out the mortgage for the fourth, pay the institute to everyone for the fifth, etc. Here distribution management is a problem and it will not be unprofitable for the country, just someone will not be the next oligarch
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 29 August 2015 20: 51 New
        +8
        Quote: APASUS
        Everything is wrong, we do not have an ideology where the family and human life will be the basis of the state.

        Let the "child" coefficient be introduced into retirement — who has more children — the one with more pension.
        1. ruru
          ruru 30 August 2015 00: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: KaPToC
          Let the "child" coefficient be introduced into retirement — who has more children — the one with more pension.

          This is a "children's coefficient" in Asia. True, there are no old-age pensions there. How many gave birth, they contain so much of you.
          So it turns out that the "Bismarck" age pension system is death for Europe. For "Greater Europe", the United States and other European countries, this also applies.
  • SibSlavRus
    SibSlavRus 29 August 2015 14: 41 New
    +32
    The costs of capitalism.
    This was discussed by Soviet scientists of the late socialist period.
    “Economically unprofitable!” - this is only the first time I heard about market capital relations.
    Feminism and emancipation, freedom and career - greatly undermined the role of women in society. And the consumer attitude to the weaker sex under the current socio-political system is from the “relaxed” atmosphere of permissiveness and irresponsibility of the opposite sex.
    Being determines consciousness!
    So this being is a matter of national importance. The institute of family, motherhood and childhood - priority must be in public policy from the Constitution itself.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 29 August 2015 14: 56 New
      +21
      Quote: SibSlavRus
      So this being is a matter of national importance. The institute of family, motherhood and childhood - priority must be in public policy from the Constitution itself.

      For this we need Socialism.
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 29 August 2015 15: 08 New
        +5
        Of course! Even if it’s not a communist one, but a capitalist one. Socialism is a socio-economic and political doctrine, and not a social-state system. By the way, it is quite harmonious and consistent with Russian realities. If you also stifle liberal market capitalist relations in favor of the state.

        1. Temples
          Temples 29 August 2015 15: 20 New
          -1
          Woe from the mind!

          For this we need Socialism.


          In order to give birth ??? wassat
          1. SibSlavRus
            SibSlavRus 29 August 2015 16: 26 New
            +10
            Of the temples! These tricks do not color you. The question is not "In order to give birth ???", but how much to give birth, when and where, in what conditions. Those. we can conclude that you did not draw conclusions from the article.
            I dare to remind that the PROBLEM is calculated and disappointing. Your optimism is not even contagious, for forcing someone to give birth, support and raise on a massive scale, necessary for the state, you are not able.
            Of course, you didn’t study sociology, demography, and statistics, but you didn’t read it either.

            The reduction of the Slavic ethnos, unlike you, does not amuse me.
            1. razzhivin
              razzhivin 29 August 2015 17: 40 New
              +2
              that's right ... I even had the idea of ​​checking the Patriots for "lice" asking only one question - HOW MUCH YOUR CHILDREN ...
            2. Temples
              Temples 29 August 2015 19: 54 New
              +6
              SibSlavRus, Alexander, the problem is whoever is afraid of having children.
              And looking for those guilty of their cowardice.
              First, give him socialism, then Joseph, then little money, then you need to feed the dog.

              Do you have children?
              And how many?
              And what is stopping you?
              What are you talking about any PROBLEM about?

              You need to start with yourself !!!!

              As I wrote above I have THREE !!!
              And I am happy !!!
              Thank God!

              And the government has nothing to do with it !!!

              I wish you all good health and not wait for the weather from the sea.
              Time is running out. Give birth while young.
              1. 31R-US
                31R-US 30 August 2015 10: 52 New
                -3
                Quote: Temples
                And looking for those guilty of their cowardice.
                First, give him socialism, then Joseph, then little money, then you need to feed the dog.

                Here the dogs do not give you peace. It's not a dog. Someone feeds a dog once, someone feeds once every 2 days, someone meat, and someone crackers. My child studies for 8 years for one 5 (not boasting ), and I don’t want to hear from her why I can’t buy beautiful shoes or a fucking phone ... with a stub that her peers have far from shining knowledge. My child first saw the sea at 5 years old (annually), and my wife was the first time at 20 when she married me. I didn’t take loans when I didn’t and I won’t take loans in principle. In my case, I don’t want to produce poverty. This is my opinion only. % and gasoline at 23rub. hi
          2. Odysseus
            Odysseus 29 August 2015 20: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Temples
            In order to give birth ???

            Very funny. As they said in childhood about such a subtle humor: first grade, second quarter.
            Not for the physiological process of birth, but for creating conditions for the birth of children. The conditions are both material (benefits, privileges, prices, the possibility of obtaining / earning living space. etc.) and moral (propaganda of family values, friendship, love, etc., and not propaganda of the unrestrained pleasures of the individual “here and now.”) All this is possible only under Socialism.
            But in practice it looks like this: in the RSFSR In 1987 (the year of the beginning of radical economic reforms and the beginning of the breakdown of socialism), the population growth amounted to 968.389 people. And in 1993, only 6 years later under capitalism drop the population in the Russian Federation amounted to 750.356 people.
            That is, for 6 years, a failure of 1 million 700 thousand people !!! But in comparison with the RSFSR for 1960-1989, the lost natural population growth of the Russian Federation for 1990-2013 was approximately 40 million people. 40 million !!!!
            It's a shame to laugh at such things as a citizen "joker."
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        3. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 29 August 2015 18: 34 New
          -4
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          Of course! Even if it’s not a communist one, but a capitalist one
          Article 2 A person, his rights and freedoms are the highest value. Recognition, observance and protection of human and civil rights and freedoms is the duty of the state.

          Article 7. 1. The Russian Federation - welfare state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions ensuring a decent life and free human development.

          Article 18 The rights and freedoms of man and citizen are directly applicable. They determine the meaning, content and application of laws, the activities of the legislative and executive authorities, local self-government and provided with justice.

          Does the constitution have all this, and where is it all in practice?

          Article 80. 2. President of the Russian Federation is the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, rights and freedoms of man and citizen. In accordance with the procedure established by the Constitution of the Russian Federation, he takes measures to protect the sovereignty of the Russian Federation, its independence and state integrity, ensures the coordinated functioning and interaction of state authorities.

          Guarantor - the one who or that provides implementation, execution of something.
          1. fif21
            fif21 29 August 2015 22: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Uncle Joe
            Article 18
            Beautifully written! For the electorate! Are you so naive and believe that politicians write and speak? You watch what they do!
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 29 August 2015 23: 24 New
              -3
              Quote: fif21
              Beautifully written! For the electorate!
              It is written for the PEOPLE - who is to blame for the fact that this people has voluntarily turned into an electorate and yells "who, if not Putin ?!" and "Krymnash!"?
              Who is to blame for the fact that this people justifies non-fulfillment and violation of their Constitution, while such non-fulfillment and violation is a CRIME?

              Are you so naive and believe that politicians write and speak? You watch what they do!
              laughing

              Putin: “You see, we did not have any large-scale nationalization, nor a slide towards universal administrative regulation. We maintained the free movement of capital and convertibility of the ruble. I am sure that all this served as a convincing signal for investors, and I want to emphasize and say once again: a return there will be no past. Russia will remain a liberal market economy. Today I want to repeat once again: we will consistently continue the line of encouraging private initiative, integration into the world economy, and creating favorable investment climate. "
              http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=317679

              Putin: “We must think what to do, how to build our own policy. Of course, we will act in the logic of a market economy”
              http://www.rg.ru/2015/01/21/putin-ekonomika-site.html)

              Putin: "Under capital amnesty, the issue is not the return of capital, but its legalization"
              http://tass.ru/ekonomika/1656342
              1. ruru
                ruru 30 August 2015 00: 56 New
                -3
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                It is written for PEOPLE

                That is the problem. The nation would quickly figure out who and where it is fooling. But the people will not be able to. The mentality is different.
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 01: 11 New
                  -4
                  Quote: ruru
                  The nation would quickly figure out who and where it is fooling
                  A nation (a historical community of people that takes shape in the process of forming a commonality of their territory, economic ties, a literary language, ethnic features of a culture and character. It consists of various tribes and nationalities), which is a product of capitalist relations, would understand, in some mysterious way, that one (smaller) part of it fools another? laughing

                  Nation = electorate.
                  1. ruru
                    ruru 30 August 2015 01: 22 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    by itself, in some mysterious way, I would figure out that one (smaller) part of it fools another

                    Yeah. Mystical. But I would figure it out. How nations around the world understand this. As they turn from a nation into a nation, they immediately see it. Mystery, of course. But a fact.
                    And counting on the people is useless. He is precisely that electorate. Aggressively obedient.
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 01: 34 New
                      -4
                      Quote: ruru
                      Yeah. Mystical. But I would figure it out
                      Yeah. Freshly a tradition.

                      How nations around the world understand this
                      Not nations, but strata.
                      Through rallies, strikes and scuffles with "right" guards.
                      Moreover, they do not understand, but only achieve minor improvements and the absence of deterioration of the situation for individual strata (but in this they are really more advanced in comparison with the Russians)

                      As they turn from a nation into a nation, they immediately see it. Mystery, of course. But the fact
                      As you deal with the definitions and essence of the concepts of "people" and "nation", then immediately see clearly stop writing nonsense.

                      He is the very electorate
                      Electorate = nation.
                      1. ruru
                        ruru 30 August 2015 01: 42 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        As you deal with the definitions and the essence of the concepts of "people" and "nation", then immediately stop seeing nonsense and write nonsense.

                        It concerns you first of all.
                        You are completely unable to understand why in some countries people live, albeit not a rich, but happy life. And in others, how much money do not give, but anyway, everything is not so.
                        Your High Shaman did not know this either. And this did not enlighten you. But you yourself cannot guess. So you suffer.
                      2. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 01: 44 New
                        -1
                        I already figured out - now it's your turn.
                      3. ruru
                        ruru 30 August 2015 02: 16 New
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I already figured out

                        I see how you "figured out".
                        From people of erudition, such as you, you are involuntarily waiting for the creative processing of this “baggage of knowledge”. For some reason, you are not involved in processing. But simply dispense the postulates of the supreme leader. It should be a shame. This is not an idol to be proud of. Anyway, it’s not good to get yourself an idol.
                      4. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 02: 58 New
                        -2
                        Quote: ruru
                        It should be a shame. This is not an idol to be proud of. Anyway, it’s not good to get yourself an idol.
                        I found out your subjective opinion - then what? laughing

                        All these abstractions - “if only a nation”, “mystical, but would understand” - from the series “the market will regulate everything” (somehow, I believe in it).

                        Do you understand the mechanism of this trial?
                        What exactly distinguishes the nation from the people, what helps the nation achieve the supposedly desired result, determined? smile
                      5. ruru
                        ruru 30 August 2015 03: 10 New
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I found out your subjective opinion - then what?

                        You see, it’s already good. Text received. Now try to understand what was written there.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        All these abstractions - “if only a nation”, “mystical, but would understand” - from the series “the market will regulate everything” (somehow, I believe in it).

                        This is not mysticism. Take a look around. Try to look at the world with a healthy, sober look. Not through the prism of Marxism-Leninism.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Do you understand the mechanism of this trial?

                        I get it. You are not. Because I have a sober, objective view of the world. And you have solid dogmas in the head. Not only do they prevent thinking, they also interfere. Because basically they are not true. Actually, there is no need for a big mind, just look back.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        What exactly distinguishes the nation from the people, what helps the nation achieve the supposedly desired result, determined?

                        Evolution. The mechanism is called the evolution of human society. Any nation that exists today was a nation in the past. But evolution turned it into a nation. Actually the people, this is what happened before the nation. The lowest stage of development of society.
                      6. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 04: 52 New
                        -2
                        Quote: ruru
                        Now try to understand what was written there.
                        Bullshit is written.

                        Not through the prism of Marxism-Leninism
                        What prism do you recommend?

                        I understand
                        So enlighten laughing

                        In the meantime, your comments are a complete croak and an abundance of modesty.

                        Any nation that exists today was a nation in the past. But evolution turned it into a nation. Actually the people, this is what happened before the nation. The lowest stage of development of society.
                        Yeah ... Kindly give definitions of the concepts of "nation" and "people" smile
                      7. ruru
                        ruru 30 August 2015 10: 55 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Bullshit is written.

                        Admit that sometimes write nonsense? You see. Already good. Keep it up. You are on the right track.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        What prism do you recommend?

                        Try to look at the world with an objective look. Not obscured by religious prisms. You will discover many interesting things.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        In the meantime, in your comments, a solid croak and an abundance of modesty

                        Not used to talking with people who think? Do you like communicating with dogmatists more? You give him one quote from the supreme shaman, he gives you another. So they "talked". No, this is not a conversation. This is verbal masturbation.
                        And modesty, she does not decorate. And did not decorate. Nobody ever.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Kindly define the concepts of "nation" and "people"

                        No, you are still an incorrigible dogma.
                        Write briefly, it makes no sense. You will not understand the point. Writing long is the same. Wrong place.
                        In short, in my opinion, the presence of a people is a sign of decay and degradation of society. The presence of a nation is a sign of progress and development of society. As a good example, you can consider the "Soviet people." Contrary to skepticism, it was created. And this was the main trouble of the USSR. Actually, it was this very “Soviet people” that brought the USSR to collapse.
                      8. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 16: 16 New
                        -1
                        Quote: ruru
                        Admit that sometimes write nonsense? You see
                        And where to go? request

                        I admit - sometimes you write nonsense.

                        Try to look at the world with an objective look
                        I looked - everything remained the same. So maybe this is your view biased - did not think about it?

                        Not used to talking with people who think?
                        On the contrary.

                        But you never get a serious conversation with yakaya people, and this correspondence is the best confirmation of this.

                        In short, in my opinion, the presence of a people is a sign
                        The presence of a nation is a sign
                        I did not ask you a sign of what is the presence of a people or nation. I asked - WHAT is the people and WHAT is the nation in your understanding.

                        If you have your own personal view of what is meant by these terms that is different from the generally accepted meaning put into them, but you cannot explain it, you are not able to give definitions, then do not talk about it. Your verbiage is still no different from silence and only clogs the air.

                        You are free to imagine yourself as a person with an objective look and even a sage, but any sage who does not have a language will forever remain unknown.

                        All the best.
                      9. ruru
                        ruru 30 August 2015 16: 26 New
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I admit - sometimes you write nonsense.

                        But why blame me? I can ask for examples as well. And with this you will not succeed.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        So maybe this is your view biased - did not think about it

                        I thought. And I am sure that this is not so. There would be no certainty, would not offer.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        But you never get a serious conversation with yakaya people, and this correspondence is the best confirmation of this.

                        Don't you like confident people? Are you used to talking with the masses?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        If you have your own personal view of what is meant by these terms that is different from the generally accepted meaning invested in them, but you cannot explain it, you are not able to give definitions, then do not talk about it

                        And it never occurred to you that I was just too lazy. I’m not doing pre-defense here. Everything is in the mood here. No obligation.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        You are free to think of yourself as a person with an objective look and even a sage, but any sage who does not have a language will remain unknown.

                        I agree. But not all sages (and even just sober people) strive for publicity.
                      10. gladcu2
                        gladcu2 1 September 2015 00: 44 New
                        0
                        Uncle Joe

                        I will note. All who operate the concept of the people. Refers to the people. Behave as two-faced Janus.

                        An amorphous mass of people under the common name people can express their interests through a trustee leader.

                        Once having placed such trust in the electorate, it becomes a people.

                        It is impossible to demand specific actions from the people if the elected leader does not conduct a trusted policy. And this is widely abused, as there is no feedback.
                      11. TWR
                        TWR 1 September 2015 01: 01 New
                        0
                        Quote: gladcu2
                        people can express their interests through a trustee leader.

                        The leader of the people has a very definite name, leader. Unfortunately in the USSR the meaning of this word was distorted. And Lenin-Stalin was also called leaders.
                        But actually it was not so. Leader, this is a "secular" term. And based on the specifics of the state system of the USSR, it would be more correct to call them the High Priests. Those. "First Secretary of the Central Committee", this is the Soviet analogue of the terms "papa", "patriarch", "Dalai Lama", etc. etc. The High Priest of pseudo-religion (in this case) called Marxism-Leninism (at first simply Marxism).
          2. razzhivin
            razzhivin 30 August 2015 14: 53 New
            +1
            But simply dispense the postulates of the supreme leader.

            there is a suspicion that the name of this leader is Google ... lol

            I didn’t want to offend, but the thought was asking ...
          3. ruru
            ruru 30 August 2015 15: 25 New
            0
            Quote: razzhivin
            there is a suspicion that the name of this leader is Google ...

            You also need to be able to work with Google. Comrade obviously knows how. And sometimes it gives out very interesting information. Worse, there is nothing besides postulates. Living thoughts are not visible. Sorry.
            However, maybe it's just that I'm blind.
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  • ruru
    ruru 30 August 2015 00: 51 New
    -1
    Quote: SibSlavRus
    If you also stifle liberal market capitalist relations in favor of the state.

    If STILL strangle, then one child will not be fed. Or die in childhood. From a lack of medicine.
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  • sherp2015
    sherp2015 29 August 2015 15: 28 New
    +4
    Quote: Odyssey
    For this we need Socialism.


    He was. But the enemies carried out a coup in 91
    1. Temples
      Temples 29 August 2015 15: 33 New
      -4
      And after the coup sagged? wassat

      Good I already cut short !!! laughing

      Socialism is needed, then Joseph must be served, now a coup!
      Neither does it work independently ??? laughing
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 29 August 2015 16: 36 New
        0
        At their age, no way. It remains only to remember. . . about socialism
  • razzhivin
    razzhivin 29 August 2015 17: 38 New
    +5
    it was under socialism that the birth rate began to fall ... negative

    then the slogan for young people began to appear - to live first for yourself ..
  • ruru
    ruru 30 August 2015 00: 47 New
    -1
    Quote: Odyssey
    For this we need Socialism.

    What nonsense. Something in the USSR was not observed.
    If you want fertility, cancel old age pensions. Cancel it altogether. Without a hint of the possibility of their receipt. Then the people will begin to multiply. And without any socialism.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 30 August 2015 00: 51 New
      0
      Quote: ruru
      If you want fertility, abolish old-age pensions ... Then the people will begin to multiply.

      You are kind ... but if it didn’t work, who, well, what kind of illness is there, or did the service interfere - go, sort of, die? Since not bred?

      No, for sure - you are kind .. minus mine.
      1. ruru
        ruru 30 August 2015 00: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        but if it didn’t work, who, well, what kind of illness is there, or did the service interfere - go, sort of, die?

        And for patients there are foster children. They themselves could figure it out. You are my minus.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 30 August 2015 01: 01 New
          -2
          Quote: ruru
          And for patients there are foster children. They themselves could figure it out.

          Oh .. but "if every caulk - where to dial at all .." children ??

          According to your model, there will be no street children either at all, or for sure "not enough for everyone." I about it, if that.

          Do not pull the owl on the globe - the owl is painful, and the globe is uncomfortable.
          1. ruru
            ruru 30 August 2015 01: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            where to dial at all .. "children

            Abroad. Have you heard about such adoptions?
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Do not pull the owl on the globe - the owl hurts, but the globe is uncomfortable

            What, you can’t write anything smart?
            And so that you do not pervert further, I’ll inform you just in case that OVERWHELMING MAJORITY The population of planet Earth is doing well without old-age pensions. And by a strange coincidence, it is precisely in these countries that there are no problems with the birth rate. They are ONLY IN THESE COUNTRIESwho have adopted the Bismarck old-age pension system. To make it clearer, this is when people contain ALIEN old people. Through the mediation of the state. Therefore, people are deeply poh how many children they have. The state will give money. And deeply FSUs how much they paid taxes. Because the money will go to HZ to whom.
            So clearer?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 30 August 2015 01: 48 New
              -3
              Quote: ruru
              Abroad. Have you heard about such adoptions?

              Where is it, I wonder? At least a couple of donor countries, I would love to hear from you ..

              Quote: ruru
              The overwhelming majority of the population of the planet Earth perfectly dispenses with old-age pensions. And ... it is in these countries that there are no problems with the birth rate. They are ONLY IN THOSE COUNTRIES that have adopted the Bismarck old-age pension system. - this is when people contain ALIEN old people. Through the mediation of the state. Therefore, people are deeply poh how many children they have. The state will give money. And deeply FSUs how much they paid taxes. Because the money will go to HZ to whom

              Somewhere I heard this ... maisu ... but the problem is much more complicated than what you are trying to imagine here. By the way - highly controversial statement.

              That is why the owl and the globe were mentioned.

              Quote: ruru
              What, you can’t write anything smart?

              No. You are still not interesting to me. hi
              1. ruru
                ruru 30 August 2015 02: 21 New
                -1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                At least a couple of donor countries, I would love to hear from you.

                The Internet will help you more. Self catering.
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                By the way - an extremely controversial statement.

                Want to argue with well-known facts? Argue.
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                That is why the owl and the globe were mentioned.

                The phrase is unworthy of a worthy person. If you want to look decent, try not to use such ones.
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                No. You are still not interesting to me.

                I can’t say that I’m very upset.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 30 August 2015 02: 43 New
                  0
                  Quote: ruru
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  At least a couple of donor countries, I would love to hear from you

                  The Internet will help you more. Self service

                  Is it something like that? You claim - you prove .. your own statement, something like that ..

                  Quote: ruru
                  They (birth problems) are ONLY IN THOSE COUNTRIES that have adopted the Bismarck old-age pension system

                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  By the way - an extremely controversial statement.

                  Quote: ruru
                  Want to argue with well-known facts? Argue

                  Your statement contains the so-called "community quantifier" (for any country with a Bismarck pension system it is true ..). This is by definition a weak statement.

                  It's a hint wink

                  Quote: ruru
                  If you want to look decent, try not to use such ones.

                  So I would advise you not to advise .. you are better off .. um .. try to confirm the statements .. or admit that you're just trying to take it by the throat ..
                  1. ruru
                    ruru 30 August 2015 02: 51 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    You claim - you prove .. your own statement, something like this

                    I affirm and prove nothing. Something like this. You do not agree, refute. Something like this.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    This is by definition a weak statement.

                    By definition, there are nuances. The most important, different level of development of countries that have adopted the Bismarck system. Therefore, a slightly different momentary result. But the final total will still be the same.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    So I would advise me not to advise

                    Disappointed. How without it?
                  2. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 30 August 2015 03: 00 New
                    0
                    Quote: ruru
                    I affirm and prove nothing. Something like this. You do not agree, refute. Something like this.

                    Cool wink

                    Let me remind you - you mentioned there about "adoption from abroad". Without deciphering - from where, actually .. so I think:

                    - Middle Asia? It seems unlikely ..
                    - Africa ?? Well, what for such a happiness ..
                    - Latin America? Yes, in the same, in general, cash desk ..

                    I’m silent about the language barrier and other joys of such adoption ..

                    So here, do not let the fool die - at least hint what you mean for "rub-hedgehog"?

                    Quote: ruru
                    By definition, there are nuances.

                    They recalled the joke .. thanks, about the "nuances" - I understand you

                    - the statement you "leaked" .. yes it is understandable
                    - about the "nuances" - well, moved off the topic .. accepted yes

                    Quote: ruru
                    Disappointed. How without it?

                    Yes, I’m exactly. But for the words of their own taken .. answer laughing

                    Maybe you’ll try it all?
                  3. ruru
                    ruru 30 August 2015 03: 21 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Let me remind you - you mentioned there about "adoption from abroad". Without deciphering - from where, actually ..

                    But why?
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    so I think:

                    It is not necessary. It's too much.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    So here, do not let the fool die

                    It is not in my power. Although I would be glad to help.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    the statement you "leaked" .. yes it is understandable

                    I have not leaked. I recalled. On the uneven development of different countries of the world.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    But for the words of their own taken .. answer

                    So I’m answering. Have you not noticed? Why should you write then?
                  4. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 30 August 2015 09: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: ruru
                    But why?

                    Quote: ruru
                    It is not necessary. It's too much.

                    Quote: ruru
                    It is not in my power. Although I would be glad to help.

                    Brevity is the sister of talent, yes laughing

                    Does the crown press you there yet?

                    Bad troll, fat. This is for you - baby Ru .. so that there is no doubt hi
                  5. ruru
                    ruru 30 August 2015 10: 40 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Brevity is the sister of talent, yes

                    Something like this.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Does the crown press you there yet?

                    He listened to himself. No, there is no discomfort in the head area.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Bad troll, fat.

                    Is this your usual signature?
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    This is for you - baby Ru .. so that there is no doubt

                    I don’t get it.
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  • KaPToC
    KaPToC 29 August 2015 20: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: SibSlavRus
    Feminism and emancipation, freedom and career - greatly undermined the role of women in society.

    In fact, the only right that women fight for is the right not to give birth!
  • ruru
    ruru 30 August 2015 00: 42 New
    0
    Quote: SibSlavRus
    “Economically unprofitable!” - this is only the first time I heard about market capital relations.

    What, had to be in capstran?
  • fvandaku
    fvandaku 29 August 2015 14: 44 New
    +6
    In 1913, in Russia per woman there were 6,5 children on average.
    We must return to the old order.
    1. Maj.
      Maj. 29 August 2015 15: 20 New
      -4
      and call Joseph
      1. Temples
        Temples 29 August 2015 15: 27 New
        +3
        In 1913, in Russia per woman there were 6,5 children on average.
        We must return to the old order.


        They just did not rack their brains. We lived and loved the children. And were NOT AFRAID !!!
        And it was harder to live!

        and call Joseph


        Or maybe yourself? laughing without Joseph? wassat

        Can't there be a child without Joseph? wassat
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 29 August 2015 16: 03 New
          +5
          Quote: Temples
          Or maybe yourself? without Joseph? Can't there be a child without Joseph?


          Without Joseph, even Mary would not have been able to put on her feet ...
          1. razzhivin
            razzhivin 29 August 2015 17: 47 New
            +2
            Without Joseph, even Mary would not have been able to put on her feet ...

            so they switched from women to MEN ... winked

            not yet transferred men to Russia? aaaaaa ??what
            1. Passer
              Passer 29 August 2015 22: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: razzhivin

              not yet transferred men to Russia? aaaaaa ??what

              The main thing is not to get drunk.
        2. 97110
          97110 29 August 2015 16: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: Temples
          They just did not rack their brains. We lived and loved the children. And were NOT AFRAID !!!
          And it was harder to live!

          The number of children determined the future of the family. In most regions of Russia as far back as the 20th century they divided the land according to peasants or according to eaters - the grandmother told me, but I already forgot. A lot of children = a lot of land = a lot of bread. For centuries, the peasants have been in the blood, and Russia in 1913 was a peasant country. Workers in barracks, how many children did they have, with all the inertia, love, fearlessness? And the worker gives many children nothing. They will grow up, they will ask for help. They will leave the family. There is no common economy, in the future (according to Vysotsky) there will be budding.
          1. razzhivin
            razzhivin 29 August 2015 17: 53 New
            +5
            The number of children determined the future of the family. In most regions of Russia as far back as the 20 century they divided the land by peasants or by eaters - the grandmother told me, yes, I forgot already. Many children = a lot of land = a lot of bread.

            approximately, as you write it was in very limited places - on newly developed lands - in peasant communities ... one of my great-grandfathers was the headman of one of such communities ...

            usually it wasn’t so ... they just WORK from morning until dawn, and not as it is now - he came right away to the TV set, and children to the street, so that they would not interfere ...
        3. Tanais
          Tanais 29 August 2015 16: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Temples
          And it was harder to live!

          Herein lies the “key” to the then birth rate. Difficult living conditions, high infant morbidity, disproportionately low level of medical care, as a result mortality ...

          And a number of factors that influenced the "process"

          But EMPLOYEES, then the farm needed ... That's the "clue" of high birth rates.

          And there, as God judges ... He will survive, he will live, no, "God gave, God took" ...

          My grandmother, on the paternal side, from SIX Cossack children to civilian, survived only TWO ... And her father, her (my great-grandfather) died of typhus ...
          1. razzhivin
            razzhivin 29 August 2015 17: 55 New
            +2
            My grandmother, on the paternal side, from SIX Cossack children to civilian, survived only TWO ... And her father, her (my great-grandfather) died of typhus.

            I sympathize .. but this does not explain how on average there were 6,5 children in families ...
            1. Tanais
              Tanais 29 August 2015 18: 33 New
              0
              Quote: razzhivin
              I sympathize .. but this does not explain how on average there were 6,5 children in families ...

              What explanations do you need?
              1. razzhivin
                razzhivin 29 August 2015 18: 51 New
                0
                Herein lies the “key” to the then birth rate. Difficult living conditions, high infant morbidity, disproportionately low level of medical care, as a result mortality ...

                explanations of the connection of your statement with the fact that on average in families there were 6,5 LIVE negative children ...
        4. razzhivin
          razzhivin 29 August 2015 17: 44 New
          +3
          They just did not rack their brains. We lived and loved the children. And were NOT AFRAID !!!
          And it was harder to live!


          I wonder who for such words minus ???

          hold on TRADEMARK good

          I will try to compensate ...
      2. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 29 August 2015 16: 38 New
        -5
        Then call Beria. He spoiled more girls
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 29 August 2015 15: 22 New
      0
      Quote: fvandaku
      We must return to the old order.


      To return to the old order, all the executioners of the Russian people, comrades-in-arms and followers of the Trotsky, Sverdlovs, need to send another Belomorkanal to dig.
      But now they are all attached to power ... Hence the swamp confrontations, riots, civil wars, inflation, defaults, crises and other disasters.
      1. razzhivin
        razzhivin 29 August 2015 17: 57 New
        0
        it’s better to answer how many children you have ... otherwise it’s easiest for the Trotskyists to blame everything ...
    3. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 29 August 2015 18: 47 New
      -2
      Quote: fvandaku
      In 1913, in Russia per woman there were 6,5 children on average.
      We must return to the old order.
      Come back ...






      1. razzhivin
        razzhivin 29 August 2015 19: 34 New
        +1
        In 1913, in Russia per woman there were 6,5 children on average.
        We must return to the old order.


        it's about LIVE 6,5 CHILDREN per woman ...

        What is your reference about infant mortality related to this ???

        really want to argue ??? Well, just do not have the strength to hold on ???
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 29 August 2015 23: 35 New
          0
          Quote: razzhivin
          it's about LIVE 6,5 CHILDREN per woman ...
          Alive what age? laughing

          In 13 year, the average life expectancy was 32 years, and 18% of all born did not live to 68 years - Do you want to return everything back?
          1. razzhivin
            razzhivin 30 August 2015 15: 11 New
            +1
            In 13 year, the average life expectancy was 32 years, and 18% of all born did not live to 68 years - Do you want to return everything back?

            you have some kind of strange habit of juggling with numbers without bothering to delve into their essence ...

            we talked about the number of LIVE children in families, you switch to life expectancy request ... it's like a talk about Thomas and Yerema request (if you know what) ...
            - I do not consider it necessary to carry on negative .

            I am for returning the previous birth rate with the current life expectancy - the mechanisms of achievement are different negative !!!
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 15: 33 New
              -1
              Quote: razzhivin
              I am for returning the previous birth rate with the current life expectancy - the mechanisms of achievement are different negative !!!
              Of course, you can be for everything good, against everything bad, and completely ignore objective reality in this matter - this will not hurt reality.

              You concept demographic transition is familiar?

              I am sure that it is not, because otherwise you would not have expressed good wishes that are simply not feasible in either industrial or porstindustrial society, and even more so in the conditions of the modern RF.
              1. razzhivin
                razzhivin 30 August 2015 16: 17 New
                0
                Are you familiar with the concept of demographic transition? Sure no

                The demographic transition is ONLY ONLY a concept, not a law of nature:

                DEMOGRAPHIC TRANSITION, the concept used in modern. demographics (including part of the Sov. scientists) to explain the change in the types of reproduction of us. The term 'D. P.' proposed in 1945 amer. demographer F. Noutstaynom, but the development of the first concept of D. p. carried out in 1909-34 French. demographer A. Landry, who used the term demographic revolution.

                even in it there is an assumption:

                therefore, D. p. is theoretically not a universal process, but its practical. universality (meaning its spread to the developing countries of the East) is a consequence of the import of social organization, lifestyle and worldview, formed in Western countries;

                which should be proved ... in the mechanistic (I would say Marxist) approach to understanding the world and human relations, the MAIN component of it - SPIRITUALITY - is missing ...

                if you remove it, everything collapses ...
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 18: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: razzhivin
                  The demographic transition is ONLY ONLY a concept, not a law of nature
                  I’m saying that you don’t know the concept, but its semantic content and the causal relationships that are in effect in society — all the more so (but you’re going to discuss the subject).

                  This is not a law of nature, but the law of society.

                  How many children do you have, and why are they not 6 or 7?

                  Is it because education and work take time?
                  Is it because increasing the level of education leads to an increase in time spent on the intellectual and cultural activities of man?
                  Is it because in the objective conditions of urbanization there is a reduction in the personal living space necessary for the maintenance and development of large offspring?
                  Is it because in the conditions of the current socio-economic model, funds for the maintenance of offspring are limited? (etc.)

                  Demography does not exist by itself - it is a systematic issue, an insignificant part of the general issue of society.

                  In modern conditions, a high birth rate is possible only in countries such as Zimbabwe (from 1970 to 2010, the population increased 2.5 times).

                  even in it there is an assumption:
                  There is an assumption.

                  But look out the window, and tell me - what system do we have there? What is the level and distribution of education?

                  in a mechanistic (I would say Marxist) approach to understanding the world and human relations, the MAIN component of it - SPIRITUALITY - is missing ...
                  What is spirituality?

                  And the most important question - why is it necessary (we speak of necessity) to increase the population?

                  This is such a fetish, the meaning and usefulness of which is not discussed?
                  Is this a necessity related to improving the quality of life of the population as a whole?
                  Or is it dictated by the need for cannon fodder to protect and increase the living standards of the current propertied class?
                  1. razzhivin
                    razzhivin 30 August 2015 19: 28 New
                    0
                    I carefully read your arguments and did not find confirmation in them that you understand this concept better than me ...

                    and this phrase struck me:

                    This is not a law of nature, but the law of society.

                    since when has the concept (i.e. a hypothesis or at best a theory) become law ???

                    You probably believe in Darwin evolution ???

                    everything explains your question:

                    What is spirituality?

                    it is the exclusion of this concept that makes it possible to extol such "Concepts" to the rank of law ... it’s like when studying the beginnings of the mechanics section at school - "suppose that there is no friction resistance, etc.

                    You can continue to BELIEVE in your concept, only it will not give you answers to most questions ... here they arise from you:

                    And the most important question - why is it necessary (we speak of necessity) to increase the population?

                    This is such a fetish, the meaning and usefulness of which is not discussed?
                    Is this a necessity related to improving the quality of life of the population as a whole?
                    Or is it dictated by the need for cannon fodder to protect and increase the living standards of the current propertied class?


                    and the answers that are on this forum: such as "do not shift the burden of their own content on a small number of their (or alien) descendants," "preserving their own population," "continuing the affairs of our ancestors" - finally, etc ... never fit into the world that you have limited yourself ...

                    very flawed (without the desire to offend) I must say the world ...
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 22: 13 New
                      0
                      Quote: razzhivin
                      I carefully read your arguments and did not find confirmation in them that you understand this concept better than me ...
                      I am not surprised - it cannot be otherwise laughing

                      since when has the concept (i.e. a hypothesis or at best a theory) become law ???
                      Since I received statistical confirmation, that is, from the moment of its appearance.

                      You probably believe in Darwin evolution ???
                      There is no need to believe in what is scientifically confirmed.

                      it is the exception of this concept
                      can continue to BELIEVE
                      I asked you not to practice verbiage, but to clearly and clearly answer the question.

                      You can’t - just say so.

                      and the answers that are on this forum
                      I asked you a question (I have my answer, I read the versions on the forum).

                      type "do not shift the burden of their own content on a small number of their (or others) descendants"
                      Transfer to a large number, but you will still be a dependent.

                      "preservation of own population"
                      The article is about this, the question is - for what purpose?

                      "continuation of the affairs of our ancestors"
                      What matters and for what purpose?

                      never fit into the world that you have limited yourself ...
                      You are a typical verbiage, trying to get away from the questions posed to which you have no answers, and blaming the opponent for this purpose laughing

                      So why do you, who insist on the need to return the birth rate of the 19th century, have at least six children? smile
    4. fif21
      fif21 29 August 2015 22: 49 New
      0
      Quote: fvandaku
      Gotta go back to the old order
      Yes! Women should not be allowed to go to school, let them forget how to write and read too! Only to church, and to gossip to the neighbor. And if, what’s wrong, right in the face! wassat You are my friend, how could I put it mildly? And here is a stupid person.
    5. gladcu2
      gladcu2 1 September 2015 00: 53 New
      0
      fvandaku

      Life was stable. The peasantry lived from the land. The remains of the crop, a stable offspring of animals gave reliable protection.
      Confidence in the future.

      Currently, such protection can only be obtained with reliable social government programs.
  • 31R-US
    31R-US 29 August 2015 14: 44 New
    +7
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    As an average Russian with a salary of 15-20 thousand

    I would set the bar at 8-15 thousand. Moscow does not count.
    1. Petr1
      Petr1 29 August 2015 15: 00 New
      +14
      The state as a whole is at war with the population, and wonders, but is this population decreasing? At the same time, he does not forget about increasing the retirement age with an average length of 63 years (men), an assessment of the harmfulness of jobs by the employer (accordingly, the harmfulness disappears and additional payments for them), zp in the country 15-20t., Moscow doesn’t count (Moscow is not in Russia, with what actually?). And of course gentlemen Serdyukovs, and Vasilyevna !! (A person who has reached such heights should receive a big salary, V.V. Putin, )

      PS Let's scold me ....
      1. Tanais
        Tanais 29 August 2015 15: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Petr1
        PS Let's scold me ....

        Nu Nu Nu ... Ay-Ya-Yai ...
      2. razzhivin
        razzhivin 29 August 2015 18: 01 New
        +3
        And of course gentlemen Serdyukovs, and Vasilievna!

        compare two worlds:

        Asiawhere population is growing and geyropawhere the indigenous population is declining ...

        and in Europe they live richer (benefits, etc.) - where is your logic ... it is not there, then there is only one thing - to remember about Vasilyev, they say it’s all about it ... request
        1. Petr1
          Petr1 29 August 2015 20: 33 New
          0
          Quote: razzhivin
          compare two worlds:

          Asia, where the population is growing and geyropa, where the indigenous population is declining ...

          In Asia, such gentlemen as: Serdyukov, Vasilyevna, Chubais, Yurevichi, Luzhko
          did you lie, etc. survived, you just think how much the Russians could not pay the tax, if, for example, they would take from them all the damage done to the state (people), and what, where do you think gentlemen?
          1. razzhivin
            razzhivin 29 August 2015 21: 56 New
            +2
            In Asia, such gentlemen as: Serdyukov, Vasilyevna, Chubais, Yurevichi, Luzhko

            you, etc. vryat survived


            do not tell me ... there (in Asia) there are semi-feudal states, and in others the stratification of the population by income is still ...

            they write the truth: whoever wants to do it and whoever doesn’t want to figure out the reasons ...

            Of course, I don’t mind that families with children have support,
            but full shows - NOT IT IS IMPORTANT !!! negative NOT THIS!!!! negative
            1. Petr1
              Petr1 29 August 2015 22: 09 New
              -2
              Quote: razzhivin
              NOT THIS IS IMPORTANT !!! negative is NOT THIS !!!!

              Well, of course, not this, it's aliens inseminate them wink
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 30 August 2015 00: 24 New
          0
          It depends on which Asia. China, South Korea - low population growth, in Japan in general the population is declining.
          1. ruru
            ruru 30 August 2015 02: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: Sergej1972
            It depends on which Asia.

            Here in the one where pensions are paid, in that there are problems. As for China, there are legislative restrictions.
      3. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 29 August 2015 19: 06 New
        -2
        Quote: Petr1
        A person who has reached such heights should receive a large salary, V.V. Putin
        07.11.2013/1/250 Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered by his decree to raise salaries not only to federal ministers, but also to deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation. So, from September 52, parliamentarians should receive up to 102 thousand rubles a month, Interfax reports citing a source in the lower house. Earlier, the head of state raised the salaries of senior government officials from XNUMX to XNUMX thousand rubles.
        According to the interlocutor of the agency, this amount includes a monthly fee, as well as a monthly promotion. As a result, the remuneration of parliamentarians was to grow from 32,9 to 51,8 thousand rubles, and the incentive - from 128,4 to 202 thousand rubles. “Thus, the total amount received by deputies per month increases from 161 thousand to 253 thousand rubles,” the source explained.
        http://www.newsru.com/russia/06nov2013/salary_deputs.html

        14.04.2014/2,65/XNUMX Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree to increase XNUMX times his salary and salary of Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. This is stated in the relevant document posted on the Kremlin website.
        The decree "On improving the remuneration of people filling individual government posts in the Russian Federation" was signed by Putin on April 11, 2014. Monetary remuneration is increased 2,65 times "in order to ensure social guarantees to persons holding the highest posts of the state."
        At the end of last week, both the head of state and the head of the Cabinet reported on their income. Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2013 earned 3,672 million rubles, which is 2,12 million rubles. less than a year earlier.
        http://rbcdaily.ru/politics/562949991163623



      4. ruru
        ruru 30 August 2015 01: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Petr1
        At the same time, he does not forget about increasing the retirement age with an average length of 63 years (men)

        What are the other 63 years? A huge pile of parasites is unclear why they are beginning to shovel a very good loot already starting at 40 years old. And until death. It is only rare and miserable men who retire at 63.
        Generally, PPC, of ​​course. I'm with this "pension system" just * wow.
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  • ARES623
    ARES623 29 August 2015 14: 50 New
    +12
    Once upon a time, in ancient times, in the GDR for the children of the family, the state repaid loans for housing. So for the 2nd they extinguished half, and for 3 - completely. Here you have the recipes. In addition, one should take a closer look at the experience of Lukashenko, who legally reduced the number of stages of wholesalers in the trade. Moscow under the USSR was a huge industrial complex, now - a large bazaar. It is necessary to return the article for parasitism to the Criminal Code and make all illegal landlords work in the housing market. You can work out the program, but you need to step back a bit from liberalism, which infected both the government and the President’s apparatus.
    1. Maj.
      Maj. 29 August 2015 15: 22 New
      +7
      You can enter an article, but where to get work?
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 29 August 2015 16: 34 New
        +2
        The fact of the matter is that when there is an article, then there will simply be an excess of work, but of course unskilled, not office, not prestigious. But they will pay for it, and not ask why they used to turn their nose when they were sitting without work at all.
        Work is always different, the only question is wages and the desire to work for it.

        And so, yes, work must be guaranteed.
    2. Antoshka
      Antoshka 29 August 2015 15: 28 New
      +6
      Quote: ARES623
      Once upon a time, in ancient times, in the GDR for the children of the family, the state repaid loans for housing. So for the 2nd they extinguished half, and for 3 - completely. Here you have the recipes.

      The whole problem is solved at a time if the state wanted to. During the year, to build up everything with kindergartens and schools, so that there wouldn’t be a queue there and mothers should pay a decent allowance. And that’s it !! It’s not even necessary to repay loans, they can do it themselves. And by the way, in this case, single mothers will be ready to give birth, because they will not need to look back at the “breadwinner of the family”. She will be the breadwinner herself. That is the whole problem.
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 29 August 2015 16: 47 New
        +5
        Building a kindergarten at 120 places costs 60 million rubles. Only bank interest on invested money is 5000 rubles. per month per child. Plus the cost of maintaining the kindergarten. And this is in the province. If the state, instead of building kindergartens, would issue the same 7-8 thousand rubles. women sitting with children themselves, the line in the kindergarten would disappear immediately, and even the state would save money. And our women would love to give birth to an 2-3 child, take care of the children and get 15 thousand for two. But our officials are not interested, they will earn much more on kickbacks during construction.
    3. marlin1203
      marlin1203 29 August 2015 17: 04 New
      0
      For an example with GDR +, and really a good method. But the proposal for liability for parasitism is still utopian. This article didn’t work much under the USSR either. And the state will not be able to provide all jobs, and business is not required.
    4. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 18: 03 New
      +3
      6 billion rubles are spent annually in our country. for FREE killing children - abortions ...
    5. ruru
      ruru 30 August 2015 01: 34 New
      0
      Quote: ARES623
      It is necessary to return the article for parasitism to the Criminal Code and make all illegal landlords work in the housing market.

      Why pretend? Then it’s better to immediately shackle the entire work force, put it to work at dawn and lock it in barracks at sunset. And don’t pay her money, a bowl of soup is enough.
      Man is a free creature, not a working cattle. Those countries where so subject IMMEDIATELY destruction. Slavery in the modern world is no place.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 30 August 2015 08: 14 New
        0
        Quote: ruru
        Man is a free being, not a working cattle

        Um .. "you can’t live in society, and be free from society" .. or is it possible? belay

        Quote: ruru
        Those countries where it is so subject to IMMEDIATE destruction

        That is, the campaign, all the countries of the world, no? "To the bottom, and then" .. yes, but what "then", in your opinion?

        You are talking nonsense, dear ..
        1. ruru
          ruru 30 August 2015 10: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Um .. "you can’t live in society, and be free from society"

          Can. And it is necessary. Society itself must be selected correctly.
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          That is, the campaign, all the countries of the world, no?

          You want to say that a person is mostly not free? I do not think so. Man is basically free. And from this we see progress in human evolution. Without freedom, this would not have happened. Creatively, a necessary element of evolution, characteristic only of free people.
          Development may be in non-free countries. But it is usually sluggish, spasmodic and finite. Slaves do not do. They imitate "violent activity" from under a stick. Actually, you don’t have to go far. Many still remember the USSR.
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          You are talking nonsense, dear ..

          I am very upset that you did not understand me.
          1. razzhivin
            razzhivin 30 August 2015 15: 23 New
            +2
            And from this we see progress in human evolution.

            one more rhetorical question - what do you mean by the evolution of MAN ??? ...
            1. ruru
              ruru 30 August 2015 15: 27 New
              -1
              Quote: razzhivin
              what do you mean by human evolution ??? ..

              I wrote about the evolution of human society.
              1. razzhivin
                razzhivin 30 August 2015 21: 30 New
                0
                I wrote about the evolution of human society.

                if you want to communicate, and not broadcast, then do not be lazy to answer essentially ...
                don’t you think that your every word is “CARVED IN A STONE” ??
                moreover, when you are asked:

                what do you mean by human evolution ??? ..

                You answer:
                I wrote about evolution human society.

                you only have to guess, each time, what are you specifically talking about (a person is not equal - human society) !!!

                In general, CONTINUE TO EVOLVE - you look and there will be less minuses ...

                WITH RESPECT! drinks
                1. ruru
                  ruru 30 August 2015 22: 09 New
                  0
                  Quote: razzhivin
                  if you want to communicate, and not broadcast, then do not be lazy to answer essentially ...

                  And if I want to broadcast?
                  Quote: razzhivin
                  Your every word "CARVED IN STONE"

                  No I do not think so. I think it is cast in bronze.
                  Quote: razzhivin
                  what are you specifically talking about (man - not equal - human society) !!!

                  Human society is when there are many people. Therefore, these concepts are not identical.
                  Quote: razzhivin
                  you look and there will be less minuses ...

                  And what's the difference, more or less?
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      2. razzhivin
        razzhivin 30 August 2015 15: 18 New
        +1
        Man is a free being,

        I wanted to ask you a question about what you mean by a "free being", but ....
        remembered that you essentially try not to answer ...

        so I will consider it rhetorical ;;;
        1. ruru
          ruru 30 August 2015 15: 28 New
          -1
          Quote: razzhivin
          what do you mean by a "free being"

          This is a very capacious question. It is impossible to answer briefly. And deployed, it makes no sense.
          1. razzhivin
            razzhivin 30 August 2015 16: 20 New
            +1
            This is a very capacious question. It is impossible to answer briefly. And deployed, it makes no sense.

            I expected you to answer that way ...

            well, then further communication does not make sense ...

            Unfortunately...
            1. ruru
              ruru 30 August 2015 16: 29 New
              0
              Quote: razzhivin
              well, then further communication does not make sense ...

              You know better. Probably.
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 29 August 2015 14: 55 New
    +13
    “France managed to bring its coefficient to almost two as a result of an aggressive demographic policy. America has a growing population. The structure of the population is changing in the direction of not only the white Protestant. Yes, there is a lot of migration, but not more than a third, and the United States is an immigrant country by definition. In Germany, extinction is 1,4–1,5. In Japan, extinction is being discussed as a key process.


    Was the author generally in the countries he is discussing? In the US, the southern states speak Spanish. And this country is one in which everyone is breaking into all the cracks from all over the world. In France, enough to take a walk in Paris, the same in London, Berlin. Yes, everywhere, wherever you spit in Europe, demography is growing only thanks to third world countries. And no payments help, because the white world killed itself when it destroyed the fundamental factors of the state - family, religion, law.
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 19: 39 New
      +3
      true observation ... this method (immigration) does not suit us !!!

      it doesn’t matter for the Anglo-Saxon "rulers of the world" who the native French or immigrants from Morocco will work in their factories ...

      we HOPE is not indifferent: for what our ancestors shed blood and left Russia as it is ...
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 29 August 2015 14: 56 New
    +15
    In Siberia, we have many mothers with prams and young, kindergartens are full, schools are crowded. Another thing is that there is no real state interest. Restructuring and their .....
    1. 31R-US
      31R-US 29 August 2015 15: 19 New
      +5
      We also have kindergartens in our city, we have to wait a few years, or a private garden of 17000 a month.
    2. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 29 August 2015 16: 38 New
      0
      Dear, do not forget the concepts of "natural decline" and "mortality" (there are a lot of reasons!).
      Here in this we have an imbalance with the "birth rate" and these concepts are not as visible as the birth rate.
    3. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 29 August 2015 19: 29 New
      -2
      Quote: Bort Radist
      In Siberia, we have many mothers with prams and young, kindergartens are full, schools are crowded.
      gks.ru/free_doc/2014/demo/t1_3.xls
      Fertility / Decrease in 2014.
      RF +0.2
      Central Federal District -2.2
      NWFD -1
      SFD -0.5
      SCF +9.2
      PFD -0.5
      Ural Federal District +2.8
      SFD +1.4
      Far Eastern Federal District +1.5
      CFD -2.2

      http://www.gks.ru/wps/wcm/connect/rosstat_main/rosstat/ru/statistics/population/
      education / #
      Number of pre-school educational institutions
      2000 - 51.3 thousand, 2013 - 43.2 thousand

      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 30 August 2015 17: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Fertility / Decrease in 2014

        "There are lies, blatant lies and statistics." laughing
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 19: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          and statistics
          И manipulation statistics - its obviously false presentation of interpretation.
  • Maxim Shilin
    Maxim Shilin 29 August 2015 15: 15 New
    +6
    Every year I see more and more mothers with strollers on the streets, and judging by my own circle of friends, everything is exactly the opposite, so I hardly believe
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 18: 05 New
      -1
      for the first quarter 2015, the population of Russia decreased by about 50 thousand people - Rosstat
  • Antoshka
    Antoshka 29 August 2015 15: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: Egevich
    Quote: fvandaku
    And I got the FOURTH and very happy wink

    I have six children between the ages of 22 and 1 year old ... we are thinking with my wife whether we can sway at the seventh Evgenievich or Evgenievna ... good seven children is somehow quite good.)

    Well, that’s cool! Hero, no words !!
  • tissot72
    tissot72 29 August 2015 15: 25 New
    +12
    All the time we are trying to come up with something better than what was invented by smart people in the USSR for a long time. Just give our families living conditions: a kindergarten, where the director does not beg for plastic windows, a school where the director does not beg for textbooks, security, etc., school uniforms so that mom does not cry on September 1 that all children will come to school in expensive clothes, and she cannot allow her child (especially if there are four of them) !!! And, of course, the childless tax is very important. Why on earth would a mother raising five children have to look at her peer, burning her life in nightclubs, and think that her five children would eventually retire this life-stricken and rested in Goa retire * fuck ???
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 18: 09 New
      +5
      All the time we are trying to come up with something better than what was invented by smart people in the USSR for a long time.


      stop living in illusions ...
      before the collapse of the USSR, the average number of children in families was already less than 2's ... in abortion, blood flowed like a river ... and all this because of the loss of spiritual foundations ...
      1. ruru
        ruru 30 August 2015 01: 38 New
        -1
        Quote: razzhivin
        and all this because of the loss of spiritual foundations ...

        Yeah. Also write "slice".
        This is actually due to the Bismarck system of "old-age pensions." Those countries where such pensions are experiencing fertility problems. And vice versa.
        They are experiencing, they understand this, but they cannot refuse pensions. Got hooked. Soon (on a historical scale) "grunt". It is only a matter of time.
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 30 August 2015 15: 30 New
          +1
          This is actually due to the Bismarck system of "old-age pensions." Those countries where such pensions are experiencing fertility problems. And vice versa.

          I agree that this can be one of the factors ... but only one of ... and again affecting the moral (as part of the spiritual) foundations - PARENTS DO NOT CARE FOR GROWING YOURSELF BREEDERS, FORWARDING THIS NEED FOR OTHERS (THROUGH STATE MECHANISMS) ...

          EVERYTHING IS TRUE, and besides, you are probably oversimplifying the reasons for choosing the states of a particular system ... BUT IT'S ALREADY ABOUT ANOTHER ...
          1. ruru
            ruru 30 August 2015 15: 39 New
            0
            Quote: razzhivin
            PARENTS DO NOT CARE ABOUT GROWING BREEDERS, FORWARDING THIS NEED FOR OTHERS (THROUGH STATE MECHANISMS) ...

            Read my comment Today, 01:17
            They are ONLY IN THE COUNTRIES that have adopted the Bismarck old-age pension system. To make it clearer, this is when people contain ALIEN old people. Through the mediation of the state. Therefore, people are deeply poh how many children they have. The state will give money. And deeply FSUs how much they paid taxes. Because the money will go to HZ to whom.

            The same eggs, only in profile.
            1. razzhivin
              razzhivin 30 August 2015 21: 36 New
              0
              well yes! of course! we do not argue in this matter ...
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 29 August 2015 15: 26 New
    +1
    The young family has no housing, the husband does not earn so much that his wife stays at home and is engaged in raising children. Here is the result.
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 29 August 2015 16: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Yoon Clob
      The young family has no housing, the husband does not earn so much that his wife stays at home and is engaged in raising children. Here is the result.

      Not really ... Remember the RI patriarchal order before the WWII ... There were completely different principles, before the Second World War, different, after, something else ...

      Apparently the state needs to be a little more active, and nature will take wink
  • tissot72
    tissot72 29 August 2015 15: 38 New
    +10
    Yes, in Soviet times, the young family also did not have much housing, but they gave birth and lived with their parents with pleasure, since there were other values. And now everyone wants to live for themselves, since life is one and you need to live it beautifully, this also applies to grandfathers and grandmothers, instead of sitting with their grandchildren in the country, they bring them to Thailand
    1. 31R-US
      31R-US 29 August 2015 15: 51 New
      +3
      Do you think that a young family needs to spend time in the garden before old age, in order to somehow feed its child, and when to enjoy life? Than the bourgeois who can afford to "toto" better than the Russians, residents of one of the richest countries in terms of resources the world.
      Thank you so much and a deep bow to our parents who help us through their pensions.
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 29 August 2015 17: 06 New
        +1
        Resources, as it turns out, are not a panacea in the modern economy
      2. razzhivin
        razzhivin 29 August 2015 18: 15 New
        +3
        and when to enjoy life?


        Well, finally someone told the TRUTH ... even in Soviet times a national "idea" was being formed, let it be hard for me, but the kids will LIVE ... negative

        here we are grown and reap ... negative

        just do not need at this position to pretend to be Patriots and resent the fact that around there are more people with different skin colors ... negative

        just "enjoy life" ...
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 30 August 2015 00: 28 New
      -1
      They are not required to sit with their grandchildren in the country. It is their right, but not their duty.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 30 August 2015 00: 42 New
        +4
        My wife spent the whole summer with her grandson in the country and does not consider it a duty. Can you fix something in your head?
  • hitech
    hitech 29 August 2015 15: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: fvandaku
    And I got the FOURTH and very happy wink


    With a good earning, you can’t start a kule, yes.
    AND? What? Do you have to work? Well, so half of the country works for us, AND THERE IS NO EARNING WITH EARNINGS.
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 18: 16 New
      +8
      I have four, I work on 12-14 hours a day - I earn and HAPPY ...
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 29 August 2015 18: 55 New
        0
        Do children still recognize or have they already forgotten?
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 29 August 2015 19: 10 New
          +4
          I see less often than I would like, but NOT ANY about the "bad state" ... most importantly, children grow up as good people ...

      2. Tatyana
        Tatyana 29 August 2015 19: 28 New
        0
        razzhivin

        I have four, I work on 12-14 hours a day - I earn and HAPPY ...
        If I’m not mistaken, remember, dear razzhivin, you once wrote in your comments that you are a sculptor or a free architect-artist. Something like that. In fact, IP.
        And you work on a monotonous production in the workshop, or on a construction site as a worker in the cold, where you do not set yourself a fee, but you are not given so much salary! And at the same time, work, you are happy, mine, for 12-14 hours a day! And we will see how long you will be happy at the same time and how much you will live!
        Sorry if I confused you with someone else!
        But still, working every day on 12-14 hours a day - this does not fit into any norms of labor protection and human health! So your enthusiastic example, in principle, is no good.
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 29 August 2015 19: 48 New
          +1
          If I’m not mistaken, remember, dear razzhivin, you once wrote in your comments that you are a sculptor or a free architect-artist. Something like that. In fact, IP.

          no Tatyana, you are confusing me with someone ... you and I have really debated on the same topic ... winked and again you rushed to conclusions ... request

          I have a higher degree - a mechanical engineer ... worked at one of the largest enterprises in Russia, just at monotonous production ... it's a little in the past ... well, I'm a workaholic - what can you do about it ... in my free time I’ve been fond of history, philosophy ... and I don’t forget about children ...

          and labor protection ... is important if there is no change of activity ... Lenin taught (not respected) yet - remember ???

          So your enthusiastic example, in principle, is no good.


          among my friends there are many such examples ...
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          2. Tatyana
            Tatyana 29 August 2015 21: 06 New
            +1

            Among mine too. And I personally see how negatively this affects their health, as well as family relationships. Health must be protected, and the forces are not infinite. A man should not only earn money for his family, but also take care of the family and its basic concerns in his spare time from work. To share joy with the family, not just grief. Then the family will be happy.
            And with such an 12-14 hourly working day, the family withers and just falls apart.
            1. razzhivin
              razzhivin 29 August 2015 21: 21 New
              +1
              Among mine too. And I personally see how negatively this affects their health, as well as family relationships. Health must be protected, and the forces are not infinite. A man should not only earn money for his family, but also take care of the family and its basic concerns in his spare time from work. To share joy with the family, not just grief. Then the family will be happy.

              you just can’t imagine how I don’t want to argue with you about this ... smile but sometimes you have to do this if you're a man of course ...

              And with such an 12-14 hourly working day, the family withers and just falls apart.

              but here I probably do not agree - if the spouses are spiritually close, the rest can be survived ... I have this ...
      3. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 29 August 2015 19: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: razzhivin
        I have four, I work on 12-14 hours a day - I earn and HAPPY ...

        It is important who else and where you work. Head or simple employee. The bosses can arrive at work at two in the afternoon to sign several documents and leave (I know such), and a simple employee must come to work at the time and not get off all day.
        Moreover, the bosses still put their work above the labor of ordinary workers. Say, if he receives calls all day and comes for a couple of hours to work, this is already a great work. He can sit at work for a couple of hours (signed documents, etc., etc.), and then he can take calls from anywhere, even from an entertainment center, even from home, from anywhere. This is not work, but rest.
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 29 August 2015 19: 55 New
          +1
          It is important who else and where you work. Head or simple employee. The bosses can arrive at work at two in the afternoon to sign several documents and leave (I know such), and a simple employee must come to work at the time and not get off all day.

          guessed ... I’m just the boss, I just can’t escape from work ...
          I had to work in the workshop - I got tired less ...

          I also know the different bosses, but I don’t observe direct dependence on the number of children ... there are workers who have 2-3, but there are bosses like you described who has 1 at best ...

          NOT THIS ESSENCE ...
          NOT FOR THIS REASON ...
    2. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 22: 02 New
      0
      every day I see under the windows of the "representatives" of this half (I hope less) with a beer voucher ... what kind of children are they ...
  • pts-m
    pts-m 29 August 2015 15: 45 New
    0
    with this policy of the state, there is no desire for the people to do something for him. as they say ... the day has passed, but also x .. with him. to the pi. endo. they are crowded with crowds, they know what they are doing for their people. that’s the whole paradox.
  • hitech
    hitech 29 August 2015 15: 46 New
    +6
    WHAT? FERTILITY?
  • bedniyyorik
    bedniyyorik 29 August 2015 15: 48 New
    +10
    3 child-free three-ruble family!
    mothers to care for a child 15-20 TR monthly!
    Where to get the money? The Vasilyev-Taburetkin, and the governors of Sakhalin!
    1. sergio6769
      sergio6769 29 August 2015 16: 57 New
      +2
      laughing good Hahaaa .. dreaming is not harmful. And while my s1.5 to 3 years old received a WHOLE 50 rubles .. That's such a demography am
    2. Sirs
      Sirs 31 August 2015 03: 27 New
      0
      Either a three-ruble note or a well-maintained private house))))))))))))))))
  • hitech
    hitech 29 August 2015 15: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: bedniyyorik
    3 child-free three-ruble family!
    mothers to care for a child 15-20 TR monthly!
    Where to get the money? The Vasilyev-Taburetkin, and the governors of Sakhalin!


    That is yes. Right.
  • Funnels
    Funnels 29 August 2015 16: 02 New
    +5
    They all consider Russia. They would have shouted how much in Europe and the SGA will remain, with their tolerance and reassessment of family values ​​(parent1.parent2, transgender people and gameparades). Will the Chinese and the Indians settle everything?
  • RiverVV
    RiverVV 29 August 2015 16: 04 New
    +4
    Our officials live in a neighboring galaxy. Have any of them tried a “multi-generational (what a word!) Family” in a two-room apartment? .
  • roskot
    roskot 29 August 2015 16: 14 New
    +5
    They all bury Russia. When Russia becomes depopulated, there will be a desert in place of Europe. And nobody will remember such prophets. This is proved by the history of mankind. Think of wars, epidemics, etc. Lived, live and will live.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 29 August 2015 19: 55 New
      0
      Quote: roskot
      in place of Europe, the desert will be

      And in the desert, as usual, Arabs breed camels, because they can do nothing else.
  • Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 29 August 2015 16: 18 New
    +4
    I have one (son) went to the second grade that week went with his wife bought for school - I will not take out the second men crying
    1. 31R-US
      31R-US 29 August 2015 17: 55 New
      +2
      It will be more interesting when the mobile phone asks, I don’t remember the name, but something is connected with the apple core drinks
      1. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 29 August 2015 18: 36 New
        0
        I’m even afraid to think about it, and so I got it with my game console drinks
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 30 August 2015 15: 35 New
          +1
          and so I got with my game console

          I do not impose my recipe, BUT:

          has already raised three relatively adult guys - in computer games NOR ... NOR ...

          IT IS SUCH AN INFECTION - it will kill a lot of time - better is sport or something else ...
      2. Tanais
        Tanais 29 August 2015 18: 38 New
        +7
        Quote: 31R-US
        It will be more interesting when the mobile phone asks, I don’t remember the name, but something is connected with the apple core

        Believe me, my SHAKHTERSKY son, I realized that this is at the moment IT , for us is not achievable (war and everything else), and went to plow himself ...

        And earned, he is unlikely to throw for a gnawed apple ...
    2. Bort radist
      Bort radist 29 August 2015 21: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      men of the second I will not take out crying

      Alexander do not promise. Son 32, daughter 6 and a half.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 30 August 2015 00: 30 New
        0
        But mothers, most likely, they have different?
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist 30 August 2015 06: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          But mothers, most likely, they have different?

          By itself. Well, I advised Alexander not to promise. Life is a complicated thing. wink .
      2. Tanais
        Tanais 30 August 2015 11: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Bort Radist
        Alexander do not promise. Son 32, daughter 6 and a half.

        Manyachische !!! good
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 30 August 2015 15: 38 New
          0
          Manyachische !!!


          NORM!!!!! good
  • Merlin
    Merlin 29 August 2015 16: 21 New
    +2
    The trouble is that the number of children is directly proportional to the wealth in the family. In the sense, the more children, the poorer the family. And this is a fact.
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 19: 57 New
      +1
      not really yours ... knowing VERY many examples (approximately 5 000 - from the human resources department) of the opposite nature ...
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 29 August 2015 16: 22 New
    +8
    "The pit begins, worse than in the 90s"
    This pit comes from the 90s
    if then people were not born (unborn people now could be 20-25 years old),
    then where can children come from?
    What do they represent themselves naive? Chubais said that it’s okay if they die out 20 million, they did not fit into the market. Some died out in the 90s, those who survived did not give birth.
    And what has changed now? Those who consider extinction to be the norm are all sitting in government and robbing people.
    Who wants to look at his child dying of hunger? It's normal when a person wants to raise children healthy, smart, strong.
    In the 80s, in the microdistrict where I lived, they gave birth a lot, because housing was being built, there were no problems with kindergartens, salaries were growing, there were no problems with food (the enterprise provided the backyard), their boarding houses, rest houses, dispensaries, periodic visits of children or mother and child, up to a year they paid allowance, everyone had gardens. People had confidence in the future, so all women from 20 to 40 years old and the second and third gave birth. At night, in one maternity hospital out of many, 10 children were born, now one child is not closed every day and maternity hospital.
    And what we have now, work today is there, tomorrow is not, enterprises are systematically bankrupt, salaries are periodically delayed, you can’t buy housing for your salary, pay a mortgage from bread to water, it’s okay to limit yourself, you have to invest money regularly in children, and if they are not? -baby will feel restrained all his life.
    The vast majority can not provide children with a normal life, a highly paid group does not want to burden themselves and only individual families find they are large.
    If without verbiage, the state should choose:
    or continued liberal integration, and then there will be no country, no people, no country,
    Or a welfare state and family assistance programs, employment, timely salaries.
    1. sledgehammer
      sledgehammer 30 August 2015 14: 54 New
      0
      let’s say either socialism or capitalism. and our people have fidgeted for 10 years, they want both at once, and free apartments, kindergartens, schools and at the same time buy iPhones, foreign cars, Turkey.
      it is impossible to build a country where there will be both the USSR and the USA at the same time.
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 16: 35 New
        -1
        Quote: Sledgehammer
        let’s say either socialism or capitalism. and our people have fidgeted for 10 years, they want both at once, and free apartments, kindergartens, schools and at the same time buy iPhones, foreign cars, Turkey.
        it is impossible to build a country where there will be both the USSR and the USA at the same time.
        Yes ... USE rules ...

        It would be foolish to think that socialism can be built on the basis of poverty and deprivation, on the basis of reducing personal needs and lowering people's living standards to the standard of living of the poor, who also does not want to remain poor anymore and rushes up to a prosperous life. Who needs such, so to speak, socialism? This would not be socialism, but a caricature of socialism. Socialism can only be built on the basis of the rapid growth of the productive forces of society, on the basis of the abundance of products and goods, on the basis of the prosperous life of the working people, on the basis of the rapid growth of culture. For socialism, Marxist socialism, does not mean a reduction in personal needs, and their full expansion and flowering, not limiting or refusing to meet these needs, and the comprehensive and complete satisfaction of all the needs of culturally developed working people.
        Stalin Vol. 13 p. 359
        1. ruru
          ruru 30 August 2015 16: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Uncle Joe
          For socialism, Marxist socialism, does not mean a reduction in personal needs, but their all-out expansion and flourishing, not a limitation or refusal to satisfy these needs, but a comprehensive and complete satisfaction of all the needs of culturally developed working people.
          Stalin Vol. 13 p. 359

          Stalin is certainly an outstanding Pharisee. The second such liar in the world can not be found. He drove the population of the USSR into total and terrifying poverty, while at the same time he argues about "the all-round expansion and flourishing of personal needs." Myself, beloved, did you mean?
          1. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 19: 11 New
            0
            Quote: ruru
            He drove the population of the USSR into total and terrifying poverty
            And it says a thinking, objectively thinking person laughing

            My dear, who is Stalin and who was he to be able to drive someone somewhere?

            Secondly, if he "drove the population of the USSR into total and terrifying poverty", then this means that the standard of living of the population before this pen was higher than after the pen, and hence the question - when and where was it higher? laughing

            In Russia, the average life expectancy during the second half of the 19th century and the first 17 years of the 20th century is 30-32 years.
            In the USSR in the 26th year - 43 years, in the 38th - 47 years old, in the 53rd - 65 years.

            The mortality rate for the second half of the 19 century and the first 17 years of the 20 century is 26-30 ppm, from 26 to 40 year - 20 ppm, in 53 - 8 ppm (now 12).

            Mortality from smallpox, from which Europe has been vaccinated as early as the 1800 year, was 50 per 100000 population (in the 2 place in Spain - 17 on 100000) - the Bolsheviks wiped out smallpox under the root by 40 year.

            Nevertheless, a "mustached murderer" "drove the population of the USSR into total and terrifying poverty"? laughing

            Admit it - you are a victim of the Stalinist pioneer camps? smile
            1. ruru
              ruru 30 August 2015 19: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              And it says a thinking, objective-minded, human

              Exactly like this. You guessed it from the 1st time. You need a miracle field.
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              Secondly, if he "drove the population of the USSR into total and terrifying poverty", then this means that the standard of living of the population before this pen was higher than after the pen, and hence the question - when and where was it higher?

              This is you tell the millions of GULAG slaves. How they felt bad before Yoshi, and good when Yoshi was in the camp. Although the truth is in your words. Vovan burry with a gang of "old Bolsheviks" lowered the country altogether below the baseboard.
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              In the USSR in the 26th year - 43 years, in the 38th - 47 years old, in the 53rd - 65 years.

              "Soviet statistics" is very doubtful. Colossal. I won’t even comment on it. Empty numbers "from the ceiling."
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              the Bolsheviks drained smallpox by the root by the 40th year.

              And the population was plagued by shocking pace.
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              You are a victim of the Stalinist pioneer camps

              Sarcasm did not understand.
              1. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 21: 36 New
                0
                Quote: ruru
                This is you tell the millions of GULAG slaves
                Not only I will tell, but I will not forget to ask about articles on which these 10 million (in 33 years) were sentenced to imprisonment.

                After that, it remains only to figure out what to do with the 20 million who went through prisons and colonies in 23 years of "democracy" (only in the Russian Federation).

                Soviet statistics "inspire great doubt
                I don’t see any problems - bring another smile

                And the population was plagued by shocking pace
                But at the same time, it, the infection, not only increased by 155 million from 20 to 91, but also without passports, kitchen gardens, managed to crawl into the cities and register there (without a passport, Karl !!! wassat ) !!! laughing

                Sarcasm did not understand
                I'm sorry.
                1. ruru
                  ruru 30 August 2015 21: 49 New
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                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  Not only I will tell, but I will not forget to ask about articles on which these 10 million (in 33 years) were sentenced to imprisonment.

                  The articles were very interesting. For three spikelets. For leaving the workplace. For being late for work. "Fine" articles were under Soviet feudalism. For slaves, of course.
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  for 23 years of "democracy."

                  Those. do you yourself admit that in the Russian Federation today the system of government is not similar to the capitalist?
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  I don’t see any problems - bring another

                  I can easily write numbers from the bulldozer. Their reliability will be no less than Soviet.
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  But at the same time, it, the infection, not only increased by 155 million from 20 to 91,

                  But didn’t you think how much it could increase if the comrades did not plague him? I wrote to you earlier about the "peripheral civilization destroyed by the comrades named Russia." Think about it. This was no joke.
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  I'm sorry.

                  Well, who is so sympathetic? It is necessary to write: "sobbing in tears and snot." Least.
                  1. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 23: 03 New
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                    Quote: ruru
                    For three spikelets. For leaving the workplace. For being late for work
                    As required to prove laughing

                    Your "objectivity" is based on rumors, distortions, speculations, direct lies, and the presumption of guilt of the "Stalinist" RYZhM following from them, despite the fact that you did not see the text of the documents in your eyes

                    But in vain - very informative.

                    You read, and spikelets directly in front of your eyes turn into tons of spikelets
                    http://www.libussr.ru/doc_ussr/ussr_3833.htm

                    It turns out that the “abandonment of the workplace” is similar to the current abandonment of the enterprise without an agreement with the employer, which, under current legislation, has the right to require 2 weeks of work.
                    What kind of abandonment by a court decision could you get from 2 to 4 months in prison, but not the Gulag.
                    That decree was adopted in the context of the country's preparation for war.
                    What kind of absenteeism, made in the conditions of the country's preparation for war, could be obtained corrective - laborabout place of work for up to 6 months with deduction from wages up to 25% (the dismissal was canceled)
                    http://www.libussr.ru/doc_ussr/ussr_4252.htm

                    But you are not interested in all this, you do not care about the reasons and related conditions - you dream with freedom laughing

                    Those. do you yourself admit that in the Russian Federation today the system of government is not similar to the capitalist?
                    I affirm that it has nothing to do with democracy, but it is absolutely capitalistic.

                    I can easily write numbers from the bulldozer
                    Then scratch the bulldozer, and do not make claims to the statistics just because you do not like it.

                    But didn’t you think how much it could increase if the comrades did not plague him?
                    Of course. It could have been just as much as it had increased (Mendeleev did not know about the transition)

                    It is necessary to write: "sobbing in tears and snot." Least.
                    Why write, if possible - crying
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 30 August 2015 23: 15 New
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                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      You read, and spikelets directly in front of your eyes turn into tons of spikelets
                      http://www.libussr.ru/doc_ussr/ussr_3833.htm

                      I read it carefully, but I didn’t see the "tons" as such.

                      But I saw the following:

                      I.

                      1. To equalize the value of goods in railway and water transport to state property and strengthen the protection of these goods in every way.
                      2. Apply as a measure of judicial repression for theft of goods by rail and water the supreme measure of social protection is the execution with confiscation of all property and with the substitution, under extenuating circumstances, with imprisonment for a term of not less than 10 years with confiscation of property.
                      3. Do not apply amnesty to criminals convicted of theft of goods in transport.

                      II.

                      1. Equate in value the property of collective farms and cooperatives (field crops, public stocks, livestock, cooperative warehouses and shops, etc.) to state property and to strengthen in every way the protection of this property from theft.
                      2. To apply as a measure of judicial repression for the theft (theft) of collective and cooperative property the highest measure of social protection - execution with confiscation of all property and with the substitution, under extenuating circumstances, imprisonment for a term of at least 10 years with confiscation of all property.
                      3. Do not apply amnesty to criminals convicted of embezzlement of collective and cooperative property

                      “Tons of spikelets” are not there explicitly. And then - the question of zeal for applying this law.

                      If necessary, you can declare the spool of thread "two hundred meters of cotton material" ..

                      PS: thanks for the link, and the truth is very informative.
                      1. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 31 August 2015 00: 10 New
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                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        I read it carefully, but I didn’t see the “tons” as such
                        It is possible to steal 50 grams by rail and water transport cargo, or theft of 50 grams collective farm property? smile

                        Have you read the note that served as the reason for the adoption of this decision?

                        Stalin - Kaganovich, Molotov

                        July 20 1932 city

                        Kaganovich, Molotov.

                        I am writing to both of you together, since there is little time left before the courier leaves.
                        ...
                        3. Recently, firstly, theft of goods on rail transport (stealing tens of millions of rubles) has become more frequent, and secondly, the theft of cooperative and collective farm property. Theft is organized mainly by fists (dispossessed) and other antisocial elements trying to undermine our new system. By law, these gentlemen are regarded as ordinary thieves, receive two or three years in prison (formally!), But in reality, they amnesty after 6-8 months. A similar regime with regard to these gentlemen, which cannot be called socialist, only encourages them in essence to real counter-revolutionary "work." Tolerate further such a situation is unthinkable. I propose to issue a law (to remove or repeal existing laws), which would:

                        a) equated railway freight, collective farm property and cooperative property in its importance with state property;
                        b) punishable for the theft (theft) of property of the indicated categories for at least ten years of imprisonment, and as a rule - the death penalty;
                        c) abolished the application of amnesty to criminals of such “professions”.
                        Without these (and similar) draconian socialist measures it is impossible to establish a new social discipline, and without such discipline it is impossible to defend and strengthen our new system.

                        I think that the publication of such a law cannot be delayed.

                        And then - the question of zeal for applying this law.

                        If necessary, you can declare the spool of thread "two hundred meters of cotton material" ..
                        But this is a fact. Therefore, in the 36th decree was canceled and the case was reviewed.
                    2. ruru
                      ruru 30 August 2015 23: 43 New
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                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      You read, and spikelets directly in front of your eyes turn into tons of spikelets

                      And where are the tons?
                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      What kind of abandonment by a court decision could you get from 2 to 4 months in prison, but not the Gulag.

                      Do you think it’s normal to go to jail for absenteeism? Is this not slavery?
                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      That decree was adopted in the context of the country's preparation for war.

                      The USSR has always "prepared for war." Only when it began, suddenly it was not ready.
                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      What kind of absenteeism committed in the conditions of preparing the country for war could have been corrected - labor at the place of work for up to 6 months with deduction from wages up to 25% (the dismissal was canceled)

                      Do you think this is normal too?
                      Do you also consider the article "for parasitism" under the USSR normal?
                      Read more memoirs of camp inmates about the beginning of the war. As camps after the outbreak of war, the 15-year-old ZEKs went in jamb. Their enterprises were evacuated, and they fled home. To Mom. Children are still. They were caught and planted. For a long time.
                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      that it has nothing to do with democracy, but it is absolutely capitalist.

                      Absolutely? Charming. Learn the political economy of capitalism. And try to find something in common. I assure you, it will not work.
                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      and do not complain about statistics just because you don't like it.

                      This is not a girl to like her. It is worse here, the numbers do not inspire confidence.
                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      It could have been as much as increased

                      You sometimes write amazing nonsense. Which are simply contrary to common sense.
                      1. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 31 August 2015 00: 28 New
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                        Quote: ruru
                        And where are the tons?
                        In the goods.

                        Do you think it’s normal to go to jail for absenteeism? Is this not slavery?
                        You will find out when the surgeon who is supposed to undergo a heart operation will not come to work.

                        Only when it started, suddenly it was not ready
                        The fleet and the border troops were ready, as if hinting.

                        Do you think this is normal too?
                        In those conditions - quite.

                        Do you also consider the article "for parasitism" under the USSR normal?
                        Is that 209 of the Criminal Code? 61 years of release? smile

                        Read more memoirs of camp sitler
                        I can read Perumov with the same success - the same level of reliability.

                        Explore the Political Economy of Capitalism
                        Define the concept of capitalism and identify its features.

                        figures do not inspire confidence
                        These are only your problems, especially since you are not able to offer anything in return.

                        You sometimes write amazing nonsense
                        This is your subjective point of view and the problem of your subjective perception - especially since you are always not able to explain and justify your statements.
                      2. ruru
                        ruru 31 August 2015 00: 51 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        In the goods.

                        Do not distort. In the Criminal Code there is no indication of weight. They were supposed to shoot with confiscation for the fact itself. But the fact begins with one indivisible unit. Those. theoretically with 1 seed. If we are talking about grain.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        when a surgeon doesn’t come to work who should do your heart surgery.

                        Go-go tramp. In pharisaism, you will soon catch up with your supreme shaman.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        The fleet and the border troops were ready, as if hinting.

                        Why, if not a secret? Maybe that's why, due to timely readiness, the Baltic fleet was destroyed, and the Black Sea was defeated and driven into the far corner of the Black Sea?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Is that 209 of the Criminal Code? 61 years of release?

                        This is a broader issue, generally concerned with “socialism”.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        In those conditions - quite.

                        PPC. Isn't that slavery? The slave could not change the master.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Define the concept of capitalism and identify its features

                        I showed you where to look for definitions and signs.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        moreover, you are always unable to explain and justify your statements.

                        Really?
                      3. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 31 August 2015 02: 12 New
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                        Quote: ruru
                        There is no indication of weight
                        In legal practice, in the presence of the term and the absence of its concretization, it is customary to refer to the dictionary, common sense, and related documents.

                        I am sending you — especially impenetrable — to the note of Stalin, which was a legislative initiative, which includes tens of millions of rubles.

                        In pharisaism
                        Bgg.

                        Maybe that's why, due to timely readiness, the Baltic Fleet was destroyed, and the Black Sea was defeated?
                        belay

                        This is a broader issue, generally related to "socialism"
                        I don’t know what concerns you where, but this does not apply to the subject of conversation.

                        PPC. Isn't that slavery?
                        Nope.

                        I showed you where to look for definitions and signs.
                        I state that you merged on this issue.
                      4. TWR
                        TWR 1 September 2015 00: 11 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        In legal practice, in the presence of the term and the absence of its concretization, it is customary to refer to the dictionary, common sense, and related documents.

                        Do not write nonsense. Where did the "legal practice" come from in the USSR?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I am referring to the note by Stalin, which was a legislative initiative, which includes tens of millions of rubles.

                        Hint that it was also included in the Criminal Code? So that sodi, God forbid, do not press unnecessary?
                      5. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 1 September 2015 00: 20 New
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                        Quote: TWR
                        Where did the "legal practice" come from in the USSR?
                        http://mir-prekrasen.net/referat/2790-pravo.html

                        Hint that it was also included in the Criminal Code? So that sodi, God forbid, do not press unnecessary?

                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I am referring to Stalin’s note, legislative initiative
                      6. TWR
                        TWR 1 September 2015 00: 28 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I refer to the note of Stalin, which was a legislative initiative

                        You are trying in vain to apply legal terms to a completely illegal state. Stalin's scribble was not a "legislative initiative."
                        You did not answer the first question. It is understandable, there is nothing to answer. Especially in the light of "trials of enemies of the people and foreign spies."
                      7. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 1 September 2015 02: 47 New
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                        Quote: TWR
                        Stalin's scribble was not a "legislative initiative."
                        A note by Stalin, a member of the Central Executive Committee and the Central Executive Committee of the USSR, addressed to the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR was not a legislative initiative ?! laughing

                        It is understandable
                        You figure it out with capitalism first, and only then get into that kind of understanding smile
                      8. TWR
                        TWR 1 September 2015 09: 33 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Was the application of a member of the Central Executive Committee and the Central Executive Committee of the USSR Stalin addressed to the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR was not a legislative initiative?

                        Understand what is actually a legislative initiative. And how is it made out. Moreover, such an initiative implies that it can be corrected, or not accepted at all. And where is this in this case?
                        Your note in certain circles is called a small one. That's what she pulls.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        You deal with capitalism first

                        Oh, you would know, my dear, how I dealt with him. And I advise you. And you need to start with private property. True, in the post-Soviet space private is used to call personal property. From this they “find” capitalism where it does not exist.
                        Do you understand the hint? Since you cannot understand anything right away, I will teach you step by step. Step by step.
                      9. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 1 September 2015 16: 37 New
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                        Quote: TWR
                        Understand what is actually a legislative initiative
                        Have you figured it out yet? smile
                        http://tolkslovar.ru/z1851.html

                        In general, it is symptomatic - first, to declare that Stalin was almost a monarch, a man whose word was law, and now scratch that the note of this "monarch" to the government is not a legislative initiative laughing

                        And how is it made out
                        Formal - it is drawn up as prescribed by the rules of law existing in a particular state in a specific period, and not as prescribed by the current rules of the Russian Federation, in which now the legislative initiative is, inter alia, the appeal of a citizen that has collected more than 100000 signatures.

                        Informal - it can also be an oral sentence, which is then formalized in the form of a formal zak.initiva.

                        Moreover, such an initiative implies that it can be corrected, or not accepted at all. And where is this in this case?
                        Have you read the text?
                        http://grachev62.narod.ru/stalin/t17/t17_359.htm

                        Your note in certain circles is called a small one. That's what she pulls.
                        And what? laughing

                        And I advise you
                        So help me - give a definition to the term, identify the signs and answer - what is capitalism?
                      10. TWR
                        TWR 1 September 2015 16: 57 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        first say that Stalin was almost a monarch, a man whose word was law, and now scratch that the note of this "monarch" to the government is not a legislative initiative

                        Note by the monarch, this is not a legislative initiative. This is a decree.
                        Quote: TWR
                        And where is this in this case?

                        It is strange where this phrase came from. She is there neither to the village, nor to the city. And I don’t remember that I put her there. Apparently some kind of error while editing.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        So help me - give a definition to the term, identify the signs and answer - what is capitalism?

                        How much can you send to a textbook on political economy?
                      11. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 1 September 2015 19: 51 New
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                        Quote: TWR
                        This is a decree
                        And a decree aimed at changing or supplementing the current legal system - what is this? laughing

                        How much can you send to a textbook on political economy?
                        And do not send - just give a definition.
                      12. TWR
                        TWR 1 September 2015 22: 27 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        And the decree ... is what?

                        You want to tell me right now that the decree is a legislative initiative? You somehow already quite argued. Too.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        just give a definition.

                        That's why I don’t want to write this to you, because I know that you yourself are able to find this information. And since you insist insistently, it means that there is some catch. And I will not give you a definition. Looking for yourself. Internet to help you.
                      13. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 1 September 2015 23: 05 New
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                        Quote: TWR
                        You want to tell me right now that the decree is a legislative initiative?
                        Initiative - (French initiative - from Lat. Initium - beginning), initiative, the first step in any business.

                        Legislation is the totality of all legal norms in force in a given state.

                        Decree aimed at changing or supplementing the current legal system - what is this? (say don't be shy)

                        That's why I do not want
                        I note the next drain.
                      14. TWR
                        TWR 1 September 2015 23: 11 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        initiative, first step in any business

                        The decree is not the first, but the last, final step.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Decree aimed at changing or supplementing the current legal system - what is this? (say don't be shy)

                        You do not distort. Confused in their dogmas, write so. He gets out. Dodger.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        I ascertain the next drain

                        Ascertain. I allow you.
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  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 August 2015 01: 04 New
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    Quote: Uncle Joe
    You read, and spikelets directly in front of your eyes turn into tons of spikelets
    http://www.libussr.ru/doc_ussr/ussr_3833.htm

    Quote: Uncle Joe
    Quote: ruru

    And where are the tons?
    In the goods.

    Quote: Uncle Joe
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    There are no explicit “tons” in the Decree.

    And then - the question of zeal for applying this law.

    If necessary, you can declare the spool of thread "two hundred meters of cotton material" ..
    But this is a fact. Therefore, in the 36th decree was canceled and the case was reviewed

    Mdya .. and between the 33rd and 36th transplanted (or shot) a certain number of people. So to say, "excesses in the field."

    Cool negative
  • Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 31 August 2015 02: 21 New
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    Quote: Cat Man Null
    and between the 33rd and 36th, some people were transplanted (or shot). So to speak, "excesses in the field"
    "And you do not steal"

    In any case, the execution was especially large, and the rest of the prisoners are not innocently convicted, but thieves (yes - stolen on a smaller scale, but thieves), whose cases were reviewed, and not a single innocent was injured.

    So do not la la. negative
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 August 2015 02: 39 New
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    Quote: Uncle Joe
    "And you do not steal"

    So, I, it seems, and not ... that ... laughing

    Quote: Uncle Joe
    Execution in any case for a particularly large

    - personally checked?
    - especially large - actual or "200 meters x / b = spool of thread"?

    From my family, as far as I know, no one came under this. So my answer is "I don’t know." What about yours?

    Quote: Uncle Joe
    the remaining prisoners are not innocently convicted, but thieves (yes - stolen in smaller sizes, but thieves)

    Spool of thread, for example ..

    Quote: Uncle Joe
    whose cases were reviewed, and not a single innocent was injured

    Yeah, after serving three years .. for that reel ..

    Quote: Uncle Joe
    So do not la la

    Exactly tongue
  • Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 31 August 2015 03: 39 New
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    Quote: Cat Man Null
    So, I, it seems, and not ... that ...
    NKVD will understand bully

    Quote: Uncle Joe
    - personally checked?
    Do you know the facts to the contrary, or in this case, the presumption of the guilt of the Soviet courts?

    “The election of judges has been a principle of recruiting the judiciary from the first days of Soviet power. The court decree No. 1, published on November 24, 1917 (SU of the RSFSR 1917 No. 4, Art. 50), established that “Local judges are henceforth elected on the basis of direct democratic elections, and until the elections are called temporarily, by district and volost, and where there are none, county, city and provincial Soviets of Rab., Sold. and Cr. deputies ". "

    Quote: Uncle Joe
    A spool of thread, for example
    And what? laughing

    Let's not stoop to insanity - which coil? The theft must be committed to the extent that you can notice and can not be attributed to loss - this is the first.

    And secondly -

    Yeah, after serving three years .. for that reel
    Yeah - for the nesting doll ...
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  • razzhivin
    razzhivin 30 August 2015 21: 44 New
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    The mortality rate for the second half of the 19 century and the first 17 years of the 20 century is 26-30 ppm, from 26 to 40 year - 20 ppm, in 53 - 8 ppm (now 12).

    Mortality from smallpox, from which Europe has been vaccinated as early as the 1800 year, was 50 per 100000 population (in the 2 place in Spain - 17 on 100000) - the Bolsheviks wiped out smallpox under the root by 40 year.


    You present this with such a context, as if without the Bolsheviks no one would have done anything ... a very UNKRRrasivny PRRRiemchik TovRRRistch ...

    but the fact that the GULLAGI is their invention and the general degradation of moral (if you like) values ​​is a fact!
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 23: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: razzhivin
      You present it with such a context, as if without the Bolsheviks no one would have done anything
      This is not what I present; this is history.

      For 117 years of vaccinating Europe against smallpox, the Russian authorities did not bother to do the same, and even the Civil did not prevent the Soviets - 10.04.1919/20/XNUMX the SNK decree "On compulsory vaccination" was passed, and after XNUMX years, smallpox was over.

      The same thing with mortality - the average level of 28 ppm kept for more than 50 years, but then the bloody Bolsheviks came, and for 9 years it plumped at 8 ppm ...

      but the fact that the GULLAGI is their invention
      Your word hard labor talking about anything?
  • razzhivin
    razzhivin 30 August 2015 19: 42 New
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    on the basis of the abundance of products and goods, on the basis of the prosperous life of working people, on the basis of the rapid growth of culture. For socialism, Marxist socialism, does not mean a reduction in personal needs, but their all-out expansion and flourishing, not a limitation or refusal to satisfy these needs, but a comprehensive and complete satisfaction of all the needs of culturally developed working people.

    how this picture does not correspond to what we saw at the decline of socialism (although it is very bitter to me that the country collapsed) ...

    It was at this time of “satisfaction of needs” that a common expression was born: “let us live poorly, but let our children live” ... so these children brought up in this way do not want to give birth and bring up children, but to live for their pleasure ... this is becomes the reason for this situation with demography ... much more than all previous wars ...

    here is the answer - what is SPIRITUALITY !!! which is lacking in Marxist calculations ... because it is an antagonism for them ...

    so I agree with the PHARISISM of Stalin ...
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 30 August 2015 21: 45 New
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      Quote: razzhivin
      how this picture does not correspond to what we saw at the sunset of socialism
      You wanted to say - in the final stage of the counter-revolutionary process?

      But these children brought up in this way do not want to give birth and bring up children, but to live for their own pleasure ... this becomes the reason for this situation with demography ... much more than all previous wars ...
      This is only one of the factors of a vast and complex problem, acting due to the fact that being determines consciousness.

      here is the answer - what is SPIRITUALITY !!!
      I do not see the answer.

      State clearly and clearly what spirituality is.
      1. ruru
        ruru 30 August 2015 21: 55 New
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        Quote: Uncle Joe
        in the final stage of the counter-revolutionary process

        I wildly apologize, but the Bolsheviks ruled the counter-revolutionary process. Let me remind you, in January 1918. they carried out a counterrevolutionary coup by dispersing the Constituent Assembly. Then in Russia the Civil War began.
        And the revolution (normal, historically inevitable, bourgeois) took place 11 months before, in February 1917. Have you noticed? Soon it’s already 100 years since Russia still can’t return to its original position. That is what the Bolsheviks actually did. This is among other things.
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 31 August 2015 00: 36 New
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          Quote: ruru
          the Bolsheviks ruled the counter-revolutionary process
          laughing

          100 years, as Russia still can not return to its original position
          In the 90s she returned.
          1. ruru
            ruru 31 August 2015 00: 41 New
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            Quote: Uncle Joe
            Back in the 90s

            Wrong.
  • fomkin
    fomkin 29 August 2015 16: 29 New
    +1
    One member of the government (a surname popped out of his head) at an international forum last year said that the optimal population of Russia should be close to 50 million people. Since I am constantly accused of lying, you will read in more detail at Delyagin.
  • erofich
    erofich 29 August 2015 16: 37 New
    +1
    No arguments - just snot. There will be a change in government policy - there will be a change in the population. It turns out that maternal capital is not enough.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 August 2015 16: 37 New
    +3
    Our government does not need children; demographics do not need raising. What did Thatcher say there? 15 Lyamov population is justified, the rest is a dump. Here we are heading to that. Just look at those industries in which you can support a family. These are economists, lawyers, traders. Well, maybe a couple more industries. Everything, the working class is immediately cut off, there are almost all state employees. No, you can certainly breed thoughtlessly. Only now grown children for this is unlikely to say thank you. For childhood. spent in poverty ... When we are compared with Europe, America, they forget that life in Russia is stupidly more expensive. Even say so, it’s stupid to survive here more expensively. Spending on clothes, heating, food ... But we are all trying to rebuild in a European way. And this will ensure that the people in general will forget to live for Russia. Stupidly beat off the term of his life and enough.
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 18: 24 New
      +3
      Our government does not need children; demographics do not need raising.

      strange logic ... are you ready to become biological parents for money? there is such a philosophy when the state itself brings up citizens in boarding schools, and the adult population gives birth and surrenders them to the state ... the idea was popular in Nazi Germany and (for a short time) in the USSR ... they refused when they realized that this leads to the CATASTROPHIC SPIRITUAL impoverishment of the population - will become such that both Mother and Motherland will be valued equally - 30 silver coins ...
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 29 August 2015 16: 39 New
    +3
    When, with our hands, the drivers, upon the order of our enemies, make a living wage of 1 their favorite dollar, as in Guinea, then they will cease giving birth at all, and the old people will rest.
  • Earnest
    Earnest 29 August 2015 16: 44 New
    +9
    Quote: AGAIN
    And I can’t do the second. I won’t stretch out for money and housing, but I’m not going to produce poverty, as in China or India.

    We have four parents, three brothers and a sister. My wife also had four children, two brothers and two sisters. From one time you can guess how many children I have. Four, of course. And there was poverty, and in the little room of 11 squares they lived in a hostel with a shared toilet, everything was there - they were not dead, they got up. Only one of our generation (wife’s sister) has one child, the rest of our relatives have from two to five. So, it is the “mother-heroine” who courageously gave birth to an only child who also speaks a lot about “living conditions” and about “creating poverty”. This is a thirty-year-old beauty (without irony!), The wife of a major rocketeer. Poverty, damn it, with a combined income of 80 000 for three. I will answer you, caring parents with one child, with the words of the deceased father: "It would be something to feed, but they grow up themselves." And there will be children, it will be necessary to feed them - and you will take the ass out of the chair, and you will go to earn food. Instead of writing an opus on the forum, we’ll podtaksuyem. No car? Cycle rickshaw, forward and with the song. You just don’t want tension, that’s all!
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 18: 30 New
      +3
      We have four parents, three brothers and a sister. My wife also had four children, two brothers and two sisters. From one time you can guess how many children I have. Four, of course. And there was poverty, and in the little room of 11 squares they lived in a hostel with a shared toilet, everything was there - they were not dead, they got up. Only one of our generation (wife’s sister) has one child, the rest of our relatives have from two to five. So, it is the “mother-heroine” who courageously gave birth to an only child who also speaks a lot about “living conditions” and about “creating poverty”. This is a thirty-year-old beauty (without irony!), The wife of a major rocketeer. Poverty, damn it, with a combined income of 80 000 for three. I will answer you, caring parents with one child, with the words of the deceased father: "It would be something to feed, but they grow up themselves." And there will be children, it will be necessary to feed them - and you will take the ass out of the chair, and you will go to earn food. Instead of writing an opus on the forum, we’ll podtaksuyem. No car? Cycle rickshaw, forward and with the song. You just don’t want tension, that’s all!

      HANDMADE ... DON'T MOVE ANOTHER REAL MAN TO RUSSIA ... good

      interesting! how much will they put "++" ??? or still "-"
      1. Nikolaitch
        Nikolaitch 30 August 2015 09: 05 New
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        razzhivin RU Yesterday, 18:30 ↑

        We have four parents, three brothers and a sister. My wife also had four children, two brothers and two sisters. From one time you can guess how many children I have. Four, of course. And there was poverty, and in the little room of 11 squares they lived in a hostel with a shared toilet, everything was there - they were not dead, they got up. Only one of our generation (wife’s sister) has one child, the rest of our relatives have from two to five. So, it is the “mother-heroine” who courageously gave birth to an only child who also speaks a lot about “living conditions” and about “creating poverty”. This is a thirty-year-old beauty (without irony!), The wife of a major rocketeer. Poverty, damn it, with a combined income of 80 000 for three. I will answer you, caring parents with one child, with the words of the deceased father: "It would be something to feed, but they grow up themselves." And there will be children, it will be necessary to feed them - and you will take the ass out of the chair, and you will go to earn food. Instead of writing an opus on the forum, we’ll podtaksuyem. No car? Cycle rickshaw, forward and with the song. You just don’t want tension, that’s all!

        HANDING ... DON'T MOVE ANOTHER REAL MUSIC TO RUSSIA ... good

        interesting! how much will they put "++" ??? or still "-"


        As you can see, by the number of pluses they are still transferred. Both men and women got extinct ...
        All hope for the remaining
        And those who surrender themselves will die. Natural selection however
        Have fun, create wealth, do not live happily
        You will have something to remember in old age
        Basically, I didn’t do anything, but practically did nothing ... hi
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 30 August 2015 15: 41 New
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          As you can see, by the number of pluses they are still transferred.

          well 11 pluses the same result ... negative

          and I also raised his rating ...

          the joke turned out lol
  • Earnest
    Earnest 29 August 2015 16: 52 New
    +7
    To have a normal birth rate, you need to control the prices of goods for children. Consumables diapers packaging 1000 rubles, baby formula 400-500 rubles, crib 12000 rubles, baby stroller 15000 rubles. How can an average Russian with a salary of 15-20 thousand rubles support a child (mother on maternity leave, father works alone)? Especially when you consider that often a young family is forced to rent an apartment and there a monthly portion of the money goes ...

    And I’ll answer like that
    https://www.avito.ru/orenburg/tovary_dlya_detey_i_igrushki/kolyaska_zima-leto_58

    9095792
    So the stroller is already 800 rubles. Children's bed - I have two in the garage, with mattresses, there is no one to give. Things are transferred from the elders to the younger ones, we have twenty-three nephews as a wife, therefore there is someone to give and whom to rob laughing as we get together at grandmothers, you’ll go over all the names until you remember what you need
    1. tomket
      tomket 29 August 2015 19: 16 New
      -2
      Quote: Earnest
      And I’ll answer like that
      https://www.avito.ru/orenburg/tovary_dlya_detey_i_igrushki/kolyaska_zima-leto_58


      9095792
      So the stroller is already 800 rubles.

      And in general - the Russians! Buy bu, dress in second hand clothes, collect food in garbage bins at the "magnets"! and in general, do not hesitate to fight, stop thinking in terms of rednecks in your desires to give your children a normal childhood!
      1. razzhivin
        razzhivin 29 August 2015 20: 00 New
        +3
        And in general - the Russians! Buy bu, dress in second hand clothes, collect food in garbage bins at the "magnets"! and in general, do not hesitate to fight, stop thinking in terms of rednecks in your desires to give your children a normal childhood!

        you exaggerate ... just do not need your refusal to sacrifice something push, cover up with something else ...
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 29 August 2015 21: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: tomket
        And in general - the Russians! Buy bu, dress in second hand clothes, collect food in garbage bins at the "magnets"! and in general, do not hesitate to fight, stop thinking in terms of rednecks in your desires to give your children a normal childhood!

        Think correctly, throw out a new baby chair for babies, bought and used ONE time, two winter and summer strollers - healthy and clean - also in a landfill, a mountain of clothes, half of which was dressed one or two times (of course there are clothes dragged to the holes ), I almost forgot two more car seats - 12 and 18 kg - to throw out as soon as I stop needing! The cot is for firewood, it’s so cheap.

        Did I understand your point correctly?
  • akudr48
    akudr48 29 August 2015 16: 57 New
    +2
    All the activities of the authorities after the 1991 coup in the field of demography are aimed at reducing the population of Russia.

    Everything that seems to be done for the growth of the people is small and weak, like maternal capital. But the land in Russia is not offended, it would be possible to build their family estates, but people are driven into megalopolis reservations, where it’s not only to raise children, but adults still need to survive.

    Where the reduction of the Russian and other indigenous peoples does not seem to be swift, a substitution begins by importing migrants from around the world. The restructuring of the national image of Russia is in full swing.

    Those who seized power believe that they do not need an extra population, a lot of people are not needed to support the pipe and sell resources.

    The authorities use a lot of methods and means of reducing the people, from debauchery on television to depriving people of apartments and livelihoods.

    Sly links, that everywhere in Europe it is bad with people, does not reproduce in any way even with wealth, therefore, Russians must calmly watch their disappearance, it is also an instrument of power to combat people.
  • ds269
    ds269 29 August 2015 17: 04 New
    +6
    For large normal families need confidence in the future, but it is not. People do not believe such rulers and such a state.
  • Dima Čalevo
    Dima Čalevo 29 August 2015 17: 16 New
    0
    It’s just that in modern society, when there is not enough time for anything, it becomes inadmissible to spend years raising children, and not at all because we have glued spiritual bonds somewhere. And this applies not only to Russia. And most importantly, no one knows how to solve this problem
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 21: 28 New
      0
      It’s just that in modern society, when there is not enough time for anything, it becomes inadmissible to spend years raising children, and not at all because we have glued spiritual bonds somewhere.

      I categorically disagree ... Muslim (and here in Russia) and Christian (not those who only consider themselves as such) families are an example ... look around request .
  • simargl
    simargl 29 August 2015 17: 18 New
    +1
    Correlation between the total fertility rate and alcohol consumption per capita in the world ~ -0.5. From this, of course, it cannot be clearly and unequivocally said that 50% of all problems with the birth rate lie in this area, but the figure is not good and makes us look in this direction.
  • aleksandroff
    aleksandroff 29 August 2015 17: 41 New
    +5
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    To have a normal birth rate, you need to control the prices of goods for children. Consumables diapers packaging 1000 rubles, baby formula 400-500 rubles, crib 12000 rubles, baby stroller 15000 rubles. How can an average Russian with a salary of 15-20 thousand rubles support a child (mother on maternity leave, father works alone)? Especially when you consider that often a young family is forced to rent an apartment and there a monthly portion of the money goes ...

    Some time ago, about 10 years ago, I told a German acquaintance that if we lived at a level like Germans, then we would have a high birth rate. To which he replied: if Russia had a higher standard of living, then you would have stopped giving birth at all. I have three children myself. Two were born in poverty and without housing. Now business and security. And I do not need to tell tales how everything is expensive and bad. You and yourself are loafers (I’m not talking about those who are sick). GOD in the Bible said: "I have given, and I will feed." By the way, if you look back, this is what happens.
    1. tomket
      tomket 29 August 2015 19: 04 New
      -2
      Quote: aleksandroff
      And I don’t have to tell tales how everything is expensive and bad

      that is, everything is cheap and good?))))
      Quote: aleksandroff
      You and yourself loafers (not talking about those who are sick)

      apparently people need to screw a light bulb into their forehead to work hard around the clock and then there will be all the rules !!!!
      1. razzhivin
        razzhivin 29 August 2015 20: 06 New
        +1
        apparently people need to screw a light bulb into their forehead to work hard around the clock and then there will be all the rules !!!!

        it’s enough not to sit on the forum if there is not enough money ...
    2. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 20: 04 New
      +2
      I, a long time ago 10, told a German acquaintance that if we lived on a level like Germans, we would have a high birth rate. To which he replied: if Russia had a higher standard of living, then you would have stopped giving birth at all. I have three children myself. Two were born in poverty and without housing. Now business and security.

      the best answer to all whiners ... negative wonderful also by the fact that he "-" put... negative

      I want to note that everyone who aches, that they don’t have money for children, are sitting in the forum, AND DO NOT WORK, so that they appear ... request
    3. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 20: 05 New
      0
      "I gave, and I will feed." By the way, if you look back, this is what happens.

      and I can confirm it ... !!! negative
  • 31R-US
    31R-US 29 August 2015 17: 44 New
    +2
    This topic is very complex, and if the leaders do not pay attention to it, I think there will be trouble hi
  • 31R-US
    31R-US 29 August 2015 18: 03 New
    0
    My personal opinion is very personal. (Of course it depends on education)
    If the child does not have enough toys, clothes, etc., which his peers have, the time will come and he will receive, then it is necessary that he was missing. ?-as.
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 20: 11 New
      +2
      My personal opinion is very personal. (Of course it depends on education)
      If the child does not have enough toys, clothes, etc., which his peers have, the time will come and he will receive, then it is necessary that he was missing. ?-as.


      I won’t talk about my children ... I have vivid examples of wealthy people who (15 years ago) collected and handed in bottles to buy ADDITIONAL ice cream .. so their parents raised ...
      about this, you can read about the children of Rockefeller (when he was already rich) ...
      ... easy wealth has not yet benefited anyone negative - look around ... request
  • boris-1230
    boris-1230 29 August 2015 18: 11 New
    0
    When Russia was an agrarian country, then a large family is the key to prosperity. Now it’s not necessary for many people to pump oil and gas does not require large labor resources. External circumstances are also not favorable: if a woman abroad gives birth without a husband, she may not worry about what she should raise a child for, social protection is good there. We have a complete family tensing up two.
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 20: 13 New
      +1
      if abroad a woman gives birth without a husband, she may not worry about what she should raise a child

      it just doesn’t work ... DO NOT WANT and so BIRTH ALREADY ... DO NOT WANT.
  • boris-1230
    boris-1230 29 August 2015 18: 28 New
    +2
    Simple hard workers now feel like second-class people, because they are openly preferred by migrant workers, who affect the level of salaries in a smaller direction. And their own either remain without work or on a humiliatingly small salary. Man is humiliated, what a large family
  • Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 29 August 2015 18: 36 New
    0
    Well, what can I say. It remains only to stir up the next revolution on the basis of nostalgia and #something to endure, and by 2100 there will be not 80 million, but 20-25. You go with the right dog, comrade!
    "Russia is a completely unnecessary country" © Zbigniew Brzezinski
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 20: 17 New
      +1
      "Russia is a completely unnecessary country" © Zbigniew Brzezinski

      HERE ... HERE ... I've already quoted here:

      Dr. Antun Lisets from Croatia, speaking at the festival in defense of life in Moscow on 23 on July 2010, said that over the past twenty years, West has spent 370 million dollars on birth control measures in Russia.

      and most importantly, do not forget to consider yourself. PATRIOTS RUSSIA ...
  • Straight
    Straight 29 August 2015 18: 54 New
    0
    And how do you want to have a family and children for a salary of a working profession of 12 thousand rubles? There will be no industrialization - there will be no people.
    1. Old warrior
      Old warrior 29 August 2015 19: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Direct
      And how do you want to have a family and children for a salary of a working profession of 12 thousand rubles? There will be no industrialization - there will be no people.

      While Deripaska and other medveputes are fattening, I am better off their wives and daughters of children with my salary! repeat
    2. valerysvy
      valerysvy 29 August 2015 21: 43 New
      -2
      There will be no industrialization - there will be no people.

      Industrialization can only be achieved with virtually free labor ... and no more ... we don’t have manpower ... + Do you ... want to "work for free" for a specific Uncle who will personally go into your beggarly hump? to paradise? I do not .. And you? There will be no industrialization under the current system ...
  • Belopolyak
    Belopolyak 29 August 2015 19: 08 New
    -1
    Yeah, I’m already running and impoverishing poverty! Well, well, as long as ZP is barely enough for one person to live a normal life, not to mention the family, there will be no large families. For example, the older I get, the less I want to have children. I personally have long been reconciled to our extinction; I still will not see this.
    P.S. what authorities, such a country.
    1. razzhivin
      razzhivin 29 August 2015 20: 23 New
      +1
      P.S. what authorities, such a country.

      THERE IS ANOTHER OPINION:

      "Every nation has the government that it deserves."

      it is more common ...

      incidentally, it was written by Count Joseph de Mestre in a letter to his government after analyzing the reforms of Tsar Alexander 1 ...
    2. Egevich
      Egevich 12 November 2015 19: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Belopolsky
      Yeah, I’m already running and impoverishing poverty! Well, well, as long as ZP is barely enough for one person to live a normal life, not to mention the family, there will be no large families. For example, the older I get, the less I want to have children. I personally have long been reconciled to our extinction; I still will not see this.
      P.S. what authorities, such a country.

      Sorry, are you not happy with the result or the process itself? ..
  • Tourist
    Tourist 29 August 2015 19: 50 New
    0
    Aah, we all die !!!
    But the author, as they say, jumps upstairs, not trying to delve into the essence of the problem.
    And the casket just opens: it is believed that a change of generations occurs, on average, every 20 years, and we begin to dance from this postulate:
    The first serious failure in the demographic situation in Russia occurred in 1914-1924, as a result of which more than 17 million people were lost.
    The next failure was the Great Patriotic War, 1941-1945, when 27 million people were knocked out. If this is reflected on paper, then we will get on the chart not a hole, but a demographic abyss.
    In the 60s and the beginning of the 70s, everything was calm, and the situation began to improve gradually, only in the end, after another generation, the 80s came with perestroika and other delights that ended in the collapse of the Soviet state.
    And then the dashing 90s.
    And here we get another hole, due to the insolvency of the state in ensuring even the minimum needs of the population.
    And, most interestingly, these “pits” overlapping create the demographic Mariana Trench, from which it will be necessary to get out for at least 3 generations.
    And this provided that:
    1) Again, some extraordinary local will not happen, and God forbid global, Armageddian;
    2) The state will nevertheless turn to face its citizens, and will invest not only in raising the salaries of bureaucrats at times, but will also pay attention to the social security of low-paid, but very necessary categories of the population of the state, which are the majority in our country.
  • terminator978
    terminator978 29 August 2015 19: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: hitech
    Quote: bedniyyorik
    3 child-free three-ruble family!
    mothers to care for a child 15-20 TR monthly!
    Where to get the money? The Vasilyev-Taburetkin, and the governors of Sakhalin!


    That is yes. Right.

    Yes, it’s not harmful to dream, they just survived to the point that they had already canceled the confiscation, and it seemed that they were already going to release this bloc. My wife and I are waiting for the third and rely only on ourselves. And the state is looking to take the latter as it were. As in the old joke: In our country, everything is done for man and for the good of man. Yes, yes, I even once saw this man.
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  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 29 August 2015 19: 54 New
    +3
    An interesting article, no words. Let me disagree with some colleagues about the moral component. In the provinces, in small towns and municipalities, the situation with the institution of the family is even more or less decent. But there are really many problems with the queue in the kindergarten and with housing. Well, financial problems can not be written, September 1 for a simple family in which at least 2 schoolchildren is a quiet tragedy, with mother’s tears at night.
    The huge problems in the province with medical care, the situation with obstetric care and pediatrics in the country are simply terrible, in my opinion, I don’t even want to find any other words who at least once with a small child in the provincial clinic will understand. I don’t understand the triumphant reports of our “great menajars” regarding the opening of some regional pediatric centers, a lot of money has been spent, and the local pediatrics and neontalogy are simply killed.
  • Leader
    Leader 29 August 2015 20: 08 New
    0
    I have one adult daughter. She cannot buy an apartment for our beggarly salaries ...
    Let the Russian bourgeois give birth - they have a lot of money.
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